Our identity is under attack as men and as women and God has given us our identity
So that is so important to hold on to our divinely inspired true identity and with me today is Lisa Brevere to talk about
the fight for female
Reclaiming our divine identity and I am so excited to have you here Lisa. I've
I've read of some I've seen some other interviews that you've done and what we're talking about today is so important because in our culture
The fight for female is real
Now, I mean there is an unmaking of the image of God
the enemy does not want the image of God to be
Clear and strong in our earth right now and it is it is more than a gender ideology. It is a
attack of a dragon
It is a I hate those created in the image of God spiritual attack where I've been again
I think we don't understand it the enemy's goal is to attack the very formation of
the generations
Hoping that they will never trust God with their transformation hoping that they'll say I I God was random
He was not intentional when he wove me in my mother's womb. I cannot trust him to
Transform me. I cannot believe that he will meet my needs or be that high priest for me
Yeah, and if we can attack the identity of who we are as people
as man and woman but really as sons and daughters of God and if we
Disconnect who people are in relation to the father in relation to into relation to Jesus and know that if we don't know that
Our value comes from him then there's no value amongst each other and therefore we can rip each other down tear each other down
And that's in my opinion. That's where racism sexism everything comes from
Because we don't see value in other people because we don't believe that God has put value in people where did this
Where did this cultural mess up really start? How many understand that?
Well, I mean I believe the cultural mess up started in the garden
I mean when when we began to see this division and this questioning of divine purpose and divine identity
It's worked its way all the way out and I sometimes see I sometimes thinks the devil believes the Bible more than Christians
Do he knows that houses divided fall kingdoms divided fall?
So he's like I'm gonna divide male and female I'm gonna divide black and white
I'm gonna divide right, you know all the races whether it's Asian whether it's Spanish, whatever it is
I'm gonna divide the old from the young. I'm going to divide the Christians from the Jews. I'm going to work
division into every single area of life and when I see this binary
Constant and when I say binary binary is not wrong. It's not wrong to have up and down. I'm saying divisive
using
Binary issues to be divisive
then what happens is we begin to collapse in ourselves and
And it's it's it's he doesn't need a new strategy. It's always worked
He always questions the goodness of God. He always wants us to grasp at
Being our own God to make remake ourselves in our own image. And so this is this is all woven and
consistent and
You know just to be expected and yet we know that there is a increase in the demonic and and I shall we say
You know Satan is operating full strength. He's not getting stronger and I still believe that but what I what I did not factor in is
That our nation has come into agreement
With darkness we have invited things into our nation with all of our division
With all of our pride with all of our greed with all of our sin with all of the abortion we have invited
the the enemies
Strongholds into our nation and
And it's so apparent with what is going on right now in our culture
There are so many things that you're like that doesn't make any sense. Well, it will never make sense when it's demonic
Yeah
now you just mentioned about the garden and
I heard you talk in another interview about how you've you've been in at churches where pastors have said
that it all started when the woman took the took the
fruit and sinned and
So women shouldn't speak up or anything like that. And so it's just like that's kind of
Wild that because Eve was the one that actually plucked the fruit that he's making that claim
I mean the Bible says that Adam was there with her which is for distinction
a lot of people forget and they took part in that together and
We can we can talk about that. But let's just talk specifically about the attack on women
Because there was this gender. There was this women's liberation movement
I want to talk to you about that
But yeah right now we're seeing men going into women's sports men taking the place of women
So it seems women being okay with it and women being okay with it
It seems very antithetical to the original what we thought was the original goal
Can we explain about this because you've done some research into that. Yeah, so
Yes, I have to be honest with you
I guess I always thought feminism started out good and that just kind of went sideways in the more recent decades
But that's not true. It has been sideways since the very beginning
I did not know that the mother of feminist thought was a woman named Mary Wolzencraft and Mary Wolzencraft
died in childbirth
With her daughter Mary Shelley and Mary Shelley and Percy Shelley were kind of the ones that brought some of this
Mindset forward her mother had been part of the French Revolution
They were the you know, they believed that the serpent was the wise counselor that God was prohibitive that marriage was wrong that marriage was
something that no man or no woman should be shackled to
Percy Shelley was
Obsessed with the occult. I've even read I
Didn't include in my book because I haven't been able to
totally validate it but our early
Liberation mother is Susan B. Anthony that they did seances. They had spirit tables
They you know like all this kind of different stuff now
When I say all of that
We as women achieved equal vote to equal rights equal pay for equal work
long before the American feminist
Wave as we would know it got together and said and and again this was shocking to me when twelve women twelve women get together
Greenwich Village in the late 60s and they say why are we here today? And they said to make a cultural revolution
How do we do? How do we make this revolution by destroying the American family now just right there you would think any
Female organization would want to add value and add layers of protection to the American family
But that was their goal
They said we're going to destroy the American family and then they said how do we destroy the American family?
well by destroying the American patriarch and
You know what is so crazy John when I started writing my book the fight for a female I had looked up the definition of
Patriarch at the beginning by the time I was done writing the book. They had changed they had
Updated the definition of the word patriarch and Miriam
Weir's dictionary it went from a man worthy of honor and respect to the older oldest person in a tribe
And so and then it had a negative, you know, like use it in a sentence
and patriarchy white patriarchy and
And so, you know, I'm looking at this and then they said take away his power
We're gonna take away the power of the American patriarch. We're destroying and Larry
how do we take away his power by destroying monogamy and
I was what in the world and they said how do we destroy monogamy and they said by promoting
promiscuity
prostitution eroticism
Which would be pornography and homosexuality and then we went on to talk about how they were going to set up now
National Organization of Women and how this revolution needed to infiltrate every single area
And they took it all the way down to the library system and I'm sure you've seen
What happens when they pull the children's?
Pornographic books out read them out loud
They get kicked out of school board meetings for reading graphic porn
But it's okay for it to remain in the library for the children and and I have heard this over and over and over again
If I happen to post something people say well, where are the feminists?
Where are the feminists? Why aren't they saying anything? Well, it's been their agenda
So you have a few people that are courageous like a JK Rollins and she'll say something but the idea of
Womanhood is being assailed by the enemy. It is being sexualized by the culture and at the same time as you mentioned earlier
They're silenced in the church and so we have these guardrails of silenced and sexualized and it creates a very narrow pathway
For women to walk on how they can function how they can find their voice how they can find their value
And so we have you know, the woman's body is is actually just a it's a costume
You know drag queens and it's it's exaggerated or it's or if you're okay
Like that's one extreme than the other extreme is you're never pretty enough. You're never thin enough
You're never you're never tall enough. You're never whatever whatever you are is never enough
and so there's there's the diminishing of the feminine form and the sexualizing of the feminine forms, so the authentic feminine versus the
exaggerated I don't even want to say feminine
distorted character the caricature of
absolutely
so so we have that going on and you know women are
They can be more compliant and and so I've heard a lot of people say well, this is women just being compliant
I I feel like it's demonic. I'm sorry. I feel like it is
women either have lost their voice and
Or they have misused their voice and and so when we have lost our voice or misused our voice
It's hard to recover a position of strength and and so we for me. I'm like, how
Do we remember our divine origin?
Because woman was not an she was not an afterthought her creation wasn't like oh maybe gosh Adam's lonely
No, she was essential. She was necessary. And so there was a divine
weaving of woman and
We you know, we know what happened in the garden the fall did not happen till Adam ate
And and you know, it's like people people that say oh the woman she just caused all these problems
If Adam had said no it is written, you know, God said not to eat it
He didn't say anything about not touching it. She wasn't here. She doesn't know
You know, he he was the one that was supposed to guard and steward and so he's the one that failed and and he
He took the temptation to be like God apart from God
Because we know that that's true because when you go to the New Testament, it doesn't say through one woman sin
It says to one man sin and one man's obedience. So
Somehow and I don't know, you know, it's interesting. I was talking to some other leaders around this idea
It almost feels like when you're dealing with
Men they were completely saved and redeemed but when it comes to women
They have to they're like they have to work it out. They have to work it out through childbearing
They have to work out through head coverings. I have to work it out through, you know
Being constantly quiet in the church or whatever. It's it's like there's a layer layer layer
and I believe all those religious layers are
also
the enemy's ploy to
Subdue and silence the woman's voice because God was the one
Who said the woman must come out and have a voice and God would not have given her a voice if he meant for her
To remain quiet. Yeah. Well even at the very beginning when
jesus 315 when when God says to the to the woman and this actually the to the serpent at that point
That your seat will be at MC with her seat and but you know, it's like
God has had major purpose for women
in his plan since the very beginning and I personally believe that
Adam wouldn't have known what it meant to be alone
Unless there was a little bit of time between you know, the between whenever eve came whenever god brought eve to him
Out of his side. So, you know, it's not good for him to be alone
Therefore he needed to be alone for a little bit just to see
Yeah, what in the naming process? I mean time was not measured there the way we understand time
You know, there's uh, most hebrew scholars say the fall created time
That there was no time before the fall and god created time to create a line segment
You know because here's our god. I mean, he's so amazing isaiah says he finishes something then begins it
So god taught us before we fell so there was eternity past eternity future
And he said i'm going to end something that i'm going to begin it and we're living in that time segment that that line segment
Of time where the redemptive purpose of god is being played out and it needs to be played out for male and female
There are battles for the women to fight and there's battles for the men to fight
But for too long the women have been fighting the men and the men have been fighting the women
Instead of doing what jesus modeled for all of us is to say to the serpent it is written
It is written and and again, you know, I I love that you brought up genesis and the serpent and enmity
I was just this weekend at a church and and I know it's intimidating when somebody asks something from the stage
But I said to them when god put enmity between the woman and the serpent
Whose side did god put the woman on?
And they they just all looked at me. I said, okay, i'm i'm going to help you. There's two sides
There's evil that would be the serpent and there's good and that's only god
So whose side did god say the woman was partnering with?
And we know
It was
God that the seed jesus came through a woman independent of a man a man was not involved in that
The holy spirit overshadowed her it was her chromosome structure only not 48 but 24
Is what they're finding when they're looking into this the idea of the blood that they feel like is representation of jesus
And so like god is saying hey women have always been part of my redemptive plan
And the enemy is like I hate them. So now we have not just a woman
Not just mary not just israel. We have the church the church and we see in revelation 1217
And then the dragon was the serpent
117 and then the dragon was enraged or furious with the woman and we make war against her children
And this is what we're going on right now. You know, I had this incredible opportunity
uh, I think it's about a year and a half ago, I was speaking at a church and
Afterwards the matriarch of the church was there
She's she's an older woman and she pulled me aside and she said did you ever get a chance to meet derrick prince?
And I said, you know, I did not familiar with him, but I never met him and she said well
We hosted him and my husband I drove him back to the hotel
And when it was time for him to get out we turned around and looked and he was sitting in the back weeping
And we said brother prince what what's going on?
And he said I see an attack coming against the women
And if the enemy can get the women he will get the children
And I mean, this is what is going on
Women women are the last line of defense. The enemy has done an exceptional job of
emasculating the men
Of telling the women you don't need men
Feminists what the feminist thought was if you want to be a powerful woman africa man behave sexually like a man go out and work
Full-time you don't how dare you stay home with your children
Oh my goodness, go out there and work for somebody else put your kids in daycare. You know, I mean, it's just this mindset
That is so shocking when you actually take it out spread it on the table and look at it for what it is
And yes, were there oppressive men? Yes
The other is there men that are toxic? Yes, but so are women there are toxic women
There are toxic men, but masculinity and femininity in and of themselves are not toxic. They're an expression of the image of god
Absolutely. Yeah, there's so many different things that you've brought up there that we could go a couple different ways
I want to talk about your dream that god gave you about the dragons. We'll talk about that in just a moment
I want to ask about I want to ask a little bit deeper because you said
earlier on that the early
Women's liberation movement the feminist push
There was a cult practices and seances and things like that
And you have this revelation about a particular spell that people are unwilling or unknowingly
Saying whenever they're saying that the future is female help us understand the revelation that you have about this
Yeah, so I you know, I live in franklin tennessee, which is a christian bubble
And I went to a coffee shop wearing a t-shirt that said the future is male and female
And I had guys like thank you. Thank you for including us in the future. I'm like, you're welcome
I had women saying I need the t-shirt. I'm like you're right. So I thought you know, everybody's happy about this
So I did a selfie
In my car with the t-shirt that said the future is male and female and I wrote underneath that
The future is male and female because without male and female there is no future
That's basically your parents. It's not even deep and um
922 comments later pp
Furious with me
You are cosigning with patriarchy
It's always been the men's turn. It's our turn now. Jesus would never agree with the oppression of women
You are agreeing with the oppression of women. This is coding like all lives matter
Uh, this is a demon of hate. This is transphobe. This is anti-lgtbq. I mean everything everything
Then they all started fighting with each other
and
John this is something i've learned
Whenever you have this
Much of an overcharged reaction on something
There is something darker behind it. So I just I came home
And I just typed into my laptop. What is the origin of the quote? The future is female because the addition had male
So I was like, what is the origin and a washington post article came up?
And it was talking about the origin of the quote the future is female and it was
Originated with a group called labras. You think what's labras?
well, the labras is a two-headed axe carried by amazons and roman and greek goddesses and
labras was a lesbian separatist group and the
Uh t-shirt that said the future is female was part of a presentation called what a well-dressed dyke would wear in 1975
And they were so excited
That hillary had brought the quote back to the forefront and her campaign because they said
The quote the future is female was a call to war an invocation and a spell to cast
And I was like what in the world but they didn't even stop there john
25 percent of the proceeds not profits proceeds go to planned parenthood
So now we've got the doubles that it adds basically more than tithing to uh to that because our tithe comes before
Taxes and everything so they're doing that 25 before taxes before everything goes to that is ridiculous
Human necrophiles
They've got goddesses
They've got separating females from males when god says they're not good for man to be alone
I mean, it's the antithesis
of
What god meant for male and female and so it was right after that
I'm you know, i'm speaking to you from my house and um right after that
One of my grandsons my grandson who turned 15 actually today
He showed up at my front door and basically they come in my house to go to the pantry
I think their mom says no snacks and they just come to my house. And so
When I have this access to a 14 year old boy, I said hey
What are your thoughts on the quote? The future is female
And he paused and he said then i'm unnecessary
And I thought wow
Is that what we want to say to our sons?
Is that what we want to say to our fathers our brothers our co-workers our husbands?
Is this is this is this the message is this the divine?
The divine identity that god gave to woman to say the men are unnecessary when god said the woman
The addition of the woman takes everything and makes it so very very good
And I get it that the you know, the angry progressive people are going to say well the men have acted like we're unnecessary
So now we're going to act like they're unnecessary. Well, that's not godly. We don't slap back
We take back our divine origin
And nobody can take away my divine identity and origin and when I say divine people get stressed out saying
You know, you're seeing feminine female divine. No, i'm saying that my divine
Weaving god wove me on purpose to be a female with divine intention
He was like this is my daughter for this time period and it wasn't random
It was intentional and so what we've got is we've got this male and female being pitted against one another
I mean even even going back to what we were talking earlier about them saying
How do we destroy the american family destroy the american patriot? How do we destroy him take away his power?
So somehow they knew that male and female together equaled a power union
But so they created a power struggle. They're like we're going to have to divide
What god said i'm going to unite and so everything that we're seeing right now
We're looking at at it in the culture as a face value
But we need to look behind and understand there is a dragon in the shadows. There is a demonic
Agenda that is dividing male and female and you know, i've had this incredible privilege to speak
In I spoke at a cultural summit earlier this year where there were both men and female
President and I literally had the men stand up john and I said
I break the words of toxic masculinity off of you
We need you
To be the men that god created you to be and I am sorry that we we as women
Tried to tell you how you had to behave as men
And so and then last week I had the privilege of being at a chapel at or you and
And afterwards so many beautiful young men saying
We can't remember what it is
To be a man
To be to be masculine and and not be mocked for it
And and and so here's the thing god wants to restore male and female
to their divine
Mandate that when god said i'm going to give you the power to multiply and we've got to stop using our power to divide
Decrease diminish, you know if if men have used their power to oppress women
They need to repent of that but women if they've used their power to manipulate men
they need to repent of that and we need to forgive and we need to move forward in in strength and truth and um,
I've started this book with a dream, but I ended it with a do
Because if we cannot have practical applications
to spiritual principles, we're going to be in trouble and as much as I
I love to think that we could take to the streets and and switch everything what I find best is we fight by flourishing
Amen. Amen. Well, you mentioned about this dream and so I want to I want to hear you tell his dream again
Um, and really what inspired you to write this this book?
Yeah, so first of all, I um, I had the dream in 2016 which is crazy looking back now
Um, I was speaking at a women's event
I was so excited to be alone in a king-size bed where I could turn down the temperature to
To 65 because I was going through menopause. I was like, this is my dream. I'm like i'm so excited
I'm making this room freezing cold. I'm spreading out in the bed and I i'm a i'm a sound sleeper
I sleep on my side. I don't move around and there's reasons why i'm saying all that and I I fall asleep
And in my dream, I find myself on the threshold of a green room and a green room of people like what's that?
It's a room of
Influencers speakers thought leaders, you know, and and it was it was a the room was packed
It was filled with a lot of people. I remember thinking I know these people and they knew me
But I don't remember any of them. I don't I I can't say oh I saw that person in the room
I just knew that we had relationship
And when I leaned a little closer, I realized that all the women were holding something close to their chest on and I
I was like, what are they what are they holding?
And they were holding different rainbow colored or dual tone baby dragons
So there were sapphire there were ruby there were the bright yellow the citron there was emerald green
And all of these baby dragons were dressed up in children's clothing
Which is bizarre, but you know how people dress up their yorkies or the poodles, which i'm always like why anyway
So they they've dressed up these dragons and and I you know, I took it as them saying these are safe. These are pets
And so I came up to the first one and I said do you do you understand what you're holding? And she was like
Yes, I said that's a dragon. That's a dragon and she was like
You know kind of looking over me like she doesn't understand to somebody else who was also holding a dragon
And and she said these are different dragons. These are the wise kind dragons and I said, oh no
No, no, no, there's no agreement between daughters and dragons
So I went from woman to woman trying to make somebody listen to me
Somebody tried to get me to pet the dragon and I was like no i'm not petting your dragon because that would be
agreeing
That's something very dangerous is safe
And in my dream I turned from the person that was trying to get me to pet the dragon
And somebody thrust the dragon her dragon towards me and said here hold it and in my dream john
I reached out grabbed the dragon by the neck and snapped its neck and I wake up and my arms are flying
And i'm on my back and i'm like what just happened this dream
Was actually being acted out in my physical and so I typed the whole thing out
I sent it off to some people that are supposed to be going with dream interpretations. They're like we we got nothing
We we got nothing and I was like, okay, that was bizarre. But you know, there are dreams that you have
That stay with you
And then there's dreams that you you know, like by noon you've forgotten them. Well, you can still see this one
and
You know, I I had written it out
then
2020 happens
I I see abigail schreyer's book on irreversible damage on me
What's going on?
And then I start to see different things and I start to see the sexualization of women. I start to see the sexualization of children
I don't know if you saw this this week. Good morning america
I mean
horrified i'm horrified horrified horrified and um
It just this child, I mean adults clapping
For the sexualization of children and and people like well, that's a pat. No, it wasn't a pageant
It was a trans it was a child who has is a boy genetically being raised as a girl and being I mean
I just was I
Yeah, I when I started my book I was angry by the end of it I was heartbroken
and so
I've
Started to see this and I thought oh my gosh. It's my dream
When I saw the women weren't using their voice
When I had reposted just an athletic thing
Um, it was it wasn't even a christian thing. It was a watch company that said
Um, you know, I was telling this whole story about a dad training his daughter
There's no woman alive that could ever beat you with running and then she comes down to the starting line
She looks over and there's a guy and all of her life all of the training and all I wrote underneath
I reposted it and I said keep use your voice and keep your daughter's dreams alive
And you cannot believe the christian backlash I got
Trans women are women. How dare you say this blah blah blah
Well, i'm not going to be like he saw
I'm not going to sell my birthright
I god
Told adam whatever you name something it is
And he is the one who gave me the name woman and man doesn't get to take it back
He doesn't get to add a prefix to it
And I don't get to add a prefix to you know a man
But here's the problem and this is what I think women do
Um, and this is what I think women don't get
um
Men are not afraid of the smaller weaker versions
pretending to be them
But women are at risk of men
in formerly
female spaces
And and this is how real this is because people think it's not real. I uh, I recently traveled home from a trip
I was actually I think I was in another country and I was waiting for john he was flying in and you know
She was we were 45 minutes apart and I thought well, just i'll just wait
And then the whoever was picking us up could just pick us both up at once
So i'm waiting and I watch a man walk right into the women's restroom in nashville, tennessee
And I don't know if it was because I hadn't slept all night. I don't know what it was
I followed him in there and I said, excuse me
This is the woman's restroom and he jumped a mile and he said oh, oh, I thought it was a baggage claim
He'd already walked past the sinks like so the the way it's configured is there sinks
And then you turn and there's stalls. He was turning the corner towards the stalls
And I said, oh did you did you think the bags were coming out of the toilet?
I said you need to come out of here right now my boys
I mean my boys were like mom you're not big and I said I felt big I felt big in that moment
I mean and people say, you know, well, you know, maybe he wouldn't have hurt me and he wasn't dressed as a woman
Uh, maybe he wouldn't have hurt me maybe you know, whatever
I don't care about me. I care about my granddaughters and so at the end of the day
Why I am writing?
is
There is a generation
That is being told
That their formation is a mistake
There is a generation that the enemy has divided their gender identity
Which would be their soul from their frame their body. They are walking around
Bodies divided he is he is he is saying you can't trust god
and and I and here's the here's the beautiful thing and I don't know if you saw this in the book, but
I had I had someone who was a younger christian. She said to me if if
Jesus was sitting here with you and I and my friend who believes she's born in the wrong body was sitting here
What would he say to her?
And I'm like, oh my gosh
And I said, well first he would say I love you
Second he would say you're not a mistake
And I think we do a really good job saying those two things, but we have to take it a little further
I said third he would say I understand and I could tell she kind of like
Why would jesus understand? Well, it's not because jesus was ever transgender
But if there was ever anybody that was ever uncomfortable in their human body, it would be jesus
And you think where do you get that from? Well philippians 2
Philippians 2 says that jesus
Set aside his divine form
Emptied himself of his divine privileges
and took on
flesh that he became a
Slave he became a servant he became us so we could become him and and if there was I mean, i've only been
A child of you know, a human child. I've never been
The son of god, you know, so i've never understood divine form divine identity. I mean, of course, I understand
I'm a child of god. I have a divine identity that i'm growing into but my
form
Is flesh
And so we need to be able to say
That plus we have corinthians where it says that my life right now is just a seed
Of who i'll actually be so with this longing for more and more and more
More money more whatever we we try to but the truth is our more is found in eternity
That when I go into the earth and die who I really am comes up in eternity
Then we also need to put them with the heebus for that. We have a high priest
We have a high priest who?
understands the frailty
of the human body
And so we need to push an entire generation that has been lied to
Into the presence of god and when I read this whole
parable of the banquet
I feel like those are the people on the highways and byways. It's the internet highways and byways
And we need to compel them to come in
Yeah, absolutely and I love how you said that jesus
More than anybody would would understand what it's like to be in the different body or the wrong body because I mean god coming and being flesh
And dwelling among us. I mean that's the word behind flesh. I mean that's
He would understand better than anybody else
And he also brings restoration better than anybody else
and purpose and calling
With this book with this message, it's which is really powerful and very needed
What are some of those action steps that we can do because I like why you said, you know
It started with a dream, but it ends with things to do. What are some of these things that we can actually do?
Well, and this was the exciting and shocking thing for me. First of all
And i'm going to tell a little background talk about
um, and i'm going to tell a little background to to actually
Position what you can do because everybody's like I need to be a social justice lawyer
I need to start argue with people on social media. I need to start saying well
I had this incredible privilege to
interview a man who is an expert in totalitarianism
And he had written a book and he's a psychoanalyst and a professor in belgium
And then he's in belgium. He explained that totalitarianism had taken over his country
And so he watched this unfold and i'm listening to him and i'm like, okay, what do we do?
What do we do? I'm a mother hum. What do I do?
He said I said do we take to the streets and he said well first of all protests and violence
They validate totalitarianism where they think we've got to we've got to we got to control the situation
He said what you need to do is consistent
consistent courageous
Conversations and he's not even a christian. I'm just talking to him and as he's talking to me john
I thought that's how the book of acts they went from house to help
Fighting with people on social media is not going to change it
We have gotten so
bad at having
Conversations so so we need to have consistent
courageous
Conversations I uh, I babysat my grandkids for eight days when their kids
I mean where their parents went to the uk john left john was like I i'm i'm capping out
I can only do one great childhood time
so
You know and it rained the entire time which I
I started to have so much sympathy for parents who are like screens screens because I really you don't do screens at g mama's
house and
I can't remember it was like day four my seven-year-old. She was seven at the time granddaughter looked at me and she said do you know?
that
uh
Sarah my neighborhood is now samuel. I was like no I didn't
And she said yeah, she's she's cut her hair and she's gonna go to new school now and be a boy
And I said, all right
I said well what if g mama put on a giraffe outfit that would that make me a giraffe?
And she's smarter than me and she said you're too short to be a giraffe
And I said well, I identify as a short giraffe and she's like that's stupid and they said you're right. So
Is she a boy because she cut her hair
And she said no I said why not?
If she looks like a boy, why isn't she a boy? And she said, you know, I said no, I don't tell me why
Tell me and she goes
her bottom and and so, you know, I
I
Then my other granddaughter brought up the conversation. I said tell me what's happening
in this family
And I learned that the parents had just gotten divorced
And I I remembered my life in eighth grade
And this girl was younger. Um, but my life in eighth grade
My parents came and told me that they were divorcing. I remember I went from highest math highest english to low
Whisk I refused to do my homework. I refused to do, you know, turn in my assignments
I refused to participate in class. I sat there like this. I was so angry john
If somebody would have come to me and said, you know what?
You're also a late bloomer lisa. Perhaps you're really a boy
I would have said, you know what everything else in my life
Is wrong. You're probably right
I'm probably a boy. I used to wear oshkosh by gosh overalls to hide the fact that I was scrawny and tiny
And I was a tomboy
But see that was god's preparation for me to be a mother of four sons
But I could have said I'm not feminine enough. I'm not pretty enough. I'm not curvy enough
I'm not whatever
and yet
And yet god weaves each of us
uniquely and especially and in a season of going from girl to woman or boy to man you do not
Force somebody to make a decision
When they're in transition of growing up
You know, and so there's this
Sexualizing of our youth at the youngest age and so for me, this was a rescue
It was I'm going to give
Mom some conversation points. I signed books for like two hours this weekend and the women are like thank you for giving me words to say
Thank you for actually giving me permission to talk
People follow courage and when nobody says anything or when there's just a nuance when all the christians are nuanced
There's no clarity and where there's no clarity people shut down. There's no conversation
We need to have clarity because a lack of clarity is unkind
And so we need to say the image of god is male and female. Yes. I understand there's intersex, but there's still only two genders
Even it's still it's still a mixing of just x and y and and those are very small percentages
But this is proving the whole spotted and speckled principle that what you put in front of people
Is what they actually what they behold is what they become
You know, okay, I i'm less than i'm this constant comparison if I can do that if I can become that if I change into that image
Then I will be loved. I will be safe. I will be you know, whatever whatever the
Unspoken need is that they're promising to fill and so for me I wanted every person to understand
You know, like don't be compliant with the distortion of language
Don't be afraid to use your voice in your neighborhood and and i'm not talking about
Organizing a protest i'm talking about just talking to people
Talking to people and then you know understanding that if what we talked about earlier about if the feminists were able to
deconstruct the family
Then our our goal would be to restore
So we can reverse engineer everything that the enemy has done
And then the other thing I love and this is this is this is something that I feel
I feel so passionate about
During the pandemic there was another epidemic that happened. It was an epidemic of cowardice
Where people started to placate and and shrink and say one thing and then if they got attacked they you know, they they
It just shut they lost their voice
and
One of the things I loved the most was
One of the things I loved the most about riley gaines and it's not something that other people highlight
But I want to highlight it wasn't so much that she's a cultural voice right now. It was that she wasn't
Wasn't
And then she was
And the truth is that we can be complicit and compliant one day
And the next day
We can recover our voice
That god's mercy that is new every single morning is the empowerment of courage and an outpouring of the holy spirit
is way further than
Speaking in tongues falling down whatever was shaking it is an outpouring
of courage
And authority and we don't ever talk about that, but it talks about when these unlearned fishermen
Spoke with authority with boldness and so we in the church we need to stop
Speaking things as though they were question marks
and we need to put some periods and exclamation marks on our words and um,
You know and even even in this time period like there used to be
I went out to dinner with somebody who's very active in politics and she's very much about pro-child politics
And she said lisa there was a time where you could be nuanced and say hey
She said
We're not we're not in that time anymore
It's very clear
about
light and dark lies and truth
and and we
Christians
We need to stand in the middle and declare truth, which means we will be shot at from both sides
But it's it's
When I say stand in the middle, i'm not saying compromise. I'm just saying
We've got extreme here extreme here
You know, like i'm a big fan of conservative news, but they're not going to bring anybody to jesus
So, you know i'm saying they're just gonna they're just gonna make me feel hopeless
or angry
So I have to be the one who can stand in the middle and say
But jesus is the answer amen
and not trump
jesus
And then at the other side where you're talking about progressive and liberal
Where I can say excuse me
uh debauchery
Abortion those are
Caving into our basis level. That's not the answer
um
You know, and so we we have to we have to stand in the middle declare truth and I feel like scripture is very very clear
um about what god values and for me
Image of god and sanctity of life are are no compromise compromise zone. Amen. Amen
Amen. Amen
Alisa, I really appreciate this conversation and I don't want to miss this opportunity to ask you to pray for the people that have been
Watching this I do want to encourage everybody to get this book the the fight for female
Because it is not just for women. Of course, it's it's definitely written
more towards women, but it is the fight for female that everybody needs to get involved with this because
Biblical god-given femininity
Uh, the female is under attack right now
The image of god in the woman is under attack and we both men and women need to stand up for that
Lisa, thank you so much for giving us some ways that we can do that
Would you pray for our for everybody that's been watching right now? That would be our father. I just thank you
That you are the one that said it's not good for man to be alone
You are the one that formed women to be an answer
to the loneliness of man
but it wasn't because she was just a supplement
But that she was necessary and so father I speak to every woman who has lost her voice
To every woman who is afraid to use her voice
For every woman who is only known how to speak in anger and vengeance
And father, I thank you that your holy spirit is bringing healing and truth
I thank you that male and female is a power union. I thank you that we are not wrestling with flesh and blood
But we are wrestling with principalities and powers
And rulers of wickedness in high places that exalt themselves against us knowing
God so father. I thank you that this is a battle that is too big for any of us
To fight individually. I thank you father that you have never made it more clear
That there is a dragon in the shadows. So father give us one voice give us one heart
With your son. Let us glorify him. Let holy spirit
Make us one that we would see the same glory
Give us eyes to see ears to hear
A heart to believe and a voice to speak what your spirit is doing and saying
And we renounce the lies of the enemy
We renounce the sexualization of womanhood
We renounce the silencing of cowardice and religion
And father we take back our place that you said that woman
Was your idea and god we take back that place
That god has entrusted us to fight the battles that women can fight and forgive us father for fighting your sons
And anoint us as your daughters in jesus name. Amen. Amen
Lisa, thank you so much for joining us today here on charisma. It's incredible honor