L.A. Marzulli, it's great to have you back here on Charisma.
And today we're talking about one of the one of the topics that's one of your favorites.
And we haven't done an interview about this before. We've talked offline about it,
but it is the Shroud of Turin, which is where a lot of people kind of get their image of
who Jesus was, what he looked like. There we go. There's you've got that picture there.
And you've done some great research on this for a while. Yeah. But there's some things that have
come out recently that is shining more light and more attention on this. Tell us about this Shroud
and the controversy behind it and what recently has come out. Well, first of all, thanks for having
me on. It's always good to be on your show and break bread as it were. But I was drawn to,
you know, I've been a Christian for 44 years. I was drawn to the Shroud immediately. I remember
becoming born against birth, Phil, and, you know, trotting down to the old Christian bookstore,
which that doesn't exist anymore for the most part. There are a few, but for the most part,
it's not like it was 44 years ago. And I was drawn into this one aisle. I'm just kind of
perusing and looking. And there's this book on the Shroud. I was like, I've never heard about the
Shroud. I was instantly drawn to it, got the book, read it in one sitting, believed it.
And since then, I'm sort of an amateur syndinologist. I'm a student of the Shroud.
The Shroud of Torum is a linen cloth with a herringbone weave that is three and a half feet
wide and about 13 and a half feet in length. It bears the image of a crucified man and rigor mortis.
And when you look at the scourging, it's breathtaking, and not in a good way.
I'm reading another book by John Jackson, who was one of the leading, really the leading
physicists with the Shroud of Torum Research Project team. We interviewed in our Watcher's
film, this is years ago, probably 12, 13, 14 years ago, whatever, we interviewed Dame Isabel
Hickpicksec and Barry Schwartz. Barry Schwartz was the Shroud of Torum Research Project
photographer in 1978. So they had it for 120 hours. He was up for 110 of those hours.
He took thousands of pictures. We are licensing several of those pictures for our upcoming film
on the Shroud of Torum, but also the Holy Fire, which is a new film. And no one, I mean,
I'm just sitting there going like I'm blown away. So Barry Schwartz was the Shroud of Torum
Research Project photographer. Barry Schwartz years ago talked about the carbon-14 dating.
And the way that worked was they were supposed to take the Shroud like this. And they had already
agreed on it. You just don't go, yeah, we'd like to take some carbon-14 dating. Can we come over?
Oh, yeah, come over next Tuesday. This thing goes back and forth for like two or three years.
And then they come back and say, well, we're going to take this and we're going to put it in place.
This is what we're going to do. We're going to take three different samples of the Shroud,
and we're going to test them. So they get ready to do this. The team is over there. And
the guys in the black suits come walking in, stop the proceedings. About three or four hours later,
everybody goes back into the room where the Shroud is and go, you're going to take one
and you're going to take the other. So they did. And the carbon-14 dating came back in the 15th
century. Everybody's going, how can this possibly be? How can this possibly be? And we talk about
this in our upcoming film on the Shroud of Toran and the Holy Fire, which has been going on for
2,000 years. But that's a whole separate story. And we'll get into that later. But the Shroud of
Toran bears this image, and this is what it looks like, a very faint image on this linen cloth of a
man in rigor mortis who has been beaten within an inch of his life. Look at the scourging. Notice
where the blood comes out. Let me get a pointer. Notice where the blood comes out here. It comes
out at the wrists. So a lot of people believe that the nails went through the palms. That's how we
know. That's not the way it came down. The nails came down like this through at an angle. It's
better to use a prop. It's kind of like that. Yeah, like this. So it comes out on the back of the wrist
is what happens. And he was, I mean, the whole idea of crucifixion in the first place is you're not
this number one, but the scourging is so, so brutal. The scourging is absolutely horrific.
And it's front and back. It's like no Gibson portrayed when they got done scourging his back,
they flipped him over. So he's like losing blood. He's in shock. And now the image that you were
just showing there before we go any further, just to kind of explain what that is. So you have a
photographic image of what you would see if you were standing in front of the shroud of Turin in
Turin, Italy, I believe. Correct. The church of John the Baptist in Turin, Italy. Is that correct
where it is? Yeah, it's in, yes. Yeah. And on the reverse side of that that you've been showing is
the negative image where things really start to stand out. And the way this happened was,
and this is, and we'll get into why the carbon 14 dating was skewed because it was absolutely
skewed. We'll get into that in just a bit. So this is what it looks like. So in 1898, the Vatican,
Turin, Italy, whatever, they hire Secundapia to take a picture of the shroud. So Secundapia
gets his big box camera with the glass plates, right? This isn't your iPhone 15, okay? This is
a whole different deal. And he takes all these pictures of the shroud. And he wants to see,
his first plate is a headshot of the face. He's in his dark room, and he's got the glass plate,
which is a negative. It's a negative. So it's not like, and people, unless you're a student of
photography, you might not be sure what I'm talking about. And before the advent of digital
photography, you would take a picture, which would be a negative. And that negative image,
then you would take and create a positive image of it. That's how it worked. So Secundapia takes a
picture of this, of the headshot. He's in his dark room with the glass plate, and he's trying to get
it, you know, he's getting it ready. And he looks at the glass plate, and this is what he sees.
Wow. It's a positive image on the shroud. There is no way that that's a forgery. Absolutely not.
And the Shroud of Torren research project in 1978 proved, in my opinion, beyond a shadow of a doubt,
that there's absolutely no pain on it at all. This is not a painting. It's not a painting.
Because the image on the shroud falls off into nothing. And it's a frontal and dorsal image
of the man, of the crucified man, which in itself, how does that work? So the body is placed in a
tomb on a linen cloth, and then it's wrapped over him. He's not wrapped up in it yet, because
they're going to come back and anoint the body with spices, which is why, you know, people had
this whole thing, wow, you know, and I always go, why don't you just go to shroud.com and spend an
hour there? Because you've obviously never studied it. So you have no idea what you're talking about.
Spend an hour, and then we'll talk if you're not convinced. So the body is laying in the tomb
for three days. And it's in a state of rigor mortis, as you can see here plainly, a state of rigor
mortis. And what happens, this is where Dame Isabel Piksic, who was a internationally renowned
muralist, her paintings hang in the Vatican. This is why she says it's not a painting. It's not,
it's not, it's not. There's no paint on the shroud. There's little dabs of it, but it's not a painting.
It's something else. And she's also a particle physicist. So it's like, yeah,
particle physicist, that's a combination right there. She's got, you know, world class muralist,
particle physicist, and using both sides of the brain for sure. Absolutely. We walk into her
studio, and I'm like this. She's deceased now. Richard and I did 11 films together. Richard passed
away a few years ago. And now my new business partner, Gills Immerman, and I have done 10 films
on the whole UFO phenomena together. And we're working on the Shroud of Torrid and the Holy Fire
together. We're in post-production, but I digress. So we walk into Dame Isabel Piksic, and she begins
to talk about the singularity. She believes, as I do, that the body, that time and space as we know
it stopped. The body was levitated off the slab. And I've got to be careful here, because I can
lose it, and I'll start crying. Father God embraces the body, so time and space stops. What is the
first thing if a father goes—and I got this from a fireman. Mike, I don't remember his last name.
It was 15 years ago. First name is Mike. And if you're watching this, thank you. But he told me
that where a fatality in an automobile accident or something like that, and the father and mother
come, the first thing that the parents do is go over to the body and embrace the child. And so
they bring them up to them like this. And I think that's what Father God did. So space-time stops.
The father embraces his son. The body is levitated off the slab. The shroud is pulled completely
taut, and then the body dematerializes in infinite points of light. Conjecture. But that's what we
think happened. That's what we think happened. And then he comes out of the tomb, which is
interesting here, is that his body is in the tomb, but his soul and his spirit go down to
where? Tartarus, and preach to the fallen angels there to seed-worn. This is why Genesis 3.15 is so
absolutely paramount in our study. So Jesus—and I just got this because we spent time at a Greek
Orthodox church interviewing a priest about the Holy Fire and also the shroud. You'll see a lot
of icons in Greek Orthodoxy where Jesus is like this, you know, holding up His hand like this.
What this is, it's Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ, fully man, fully God. No, I'm sorry,
fully God, fully man. And the circle that it creates is perfection.
So that's what that symbol means. That's what that symbol means. It's been around for like 2000 years.
Wow. This is what they would do. This is like—because you couldn't talk about it,
especially 2000 years ago. You couldn't openly talk about it. So they would go like this,
and they all knew what they were saying. Yeah. So, Eli, let's talk about the shroud again. So
the last time we kind of talked about it from a scientific aspect, you said that it was
carbon-14 dated back to the 15th century. What changed about that? There was a controversy
about that because it was just one spot as opposed to three. Tell me about what happened.
Well, the scientists recently just came out with this, but we've known about it for a while.
So the team is only allowed to take a sample from one place, and it skews the whole deal.
So enter Joe Marino, who we interviewed for our film. And I got to tell you a little backstory.
Something very serendipitous happened with my interview with Joe. I hadn't connected the dots
from 15 years prior, where I interviewed his wife and Joe on my show. But I'd forgotten
whose people were. His wife passed away. Joe Marino was a monk in a monastery, but he was
drawn to the shroud just like I was, just drawn to the shroud. So he's in a monastery, and he goes
online, and he meets this woman online who is a syndontologist, an amateur syndontologist. And
they strike up this relationship. One thing leads to another. Joe leaves the monastery
and marries her, right? Unbelievable. So they're looking at all this going like,
there's no way. Something's wrong here. So they start doing research.
When the fire happened, and you can see here, this is from, these marks here are from the fire.
OK. And down here, too. You can see the marks. They are from the fire, here and here, from the
fire. So the shroud was in a fire at some point. In the 15th century, the shroud was in a fire.
So the poor sisters of Claire go in, and they begin to repair the shroud and do end-to-end
splicing. It's called invisible reweaving. OK. And they dye the cotton fibers to look like the
linen fibers, and it's end-to-end splicing. You can't see it with the naked eye. That's how
incredible it is. So they know this. So they write a paper. And the paper states that the
Carbon 14 Damien was skewed because of the 15th century reweaving by the poor sisters of Claire.
So one of the shroud research project members had samples of the shroud, of the actual cloth,
down in his laboratory. He goes, well, I can debunk this in five minutes. So he goes down.
He just happened to have that? Yeah. Well, he was part of the team.
So he was allowed to take it. And yeah, go figure, right? So he goes down, and he looks at his slides,
and sure enough, and some of these were pictures also. And he looks at this, and he goes, oh, my
gosh, they're right, end-to-end splicing. So they write a paper about this. That becomes international
news. And everyone is kind of going like, oh, my gosh. Barry Schwartz comes on the record
in our film, In the Watchers series. And it was something like, and Richard, God bless him, man,
he was just amazing. He knew that something was happening. Click, he's rolling, man. He's rolling.
And Barry Schwartz is laying down this story. And I just gave you the backstory. When they were going
to take the samples, the men in the suits come in. And I only think of one. So anyway, when the 15th
century carbon-14 dating report, or when the carbon-14 dating report came out from the linen
from the shroud, and it skewed it and said, 15th century, it's a forgery. Everybody can go home.
No, no. There was a million pound reward given to the university for proving that the shroud was a
fake. Really? Yep. That's documented. That's in our film. And Barry says, you know, no harm, no foul,
but there seems to be some skullduggery going on here. And I've also come up against that skullduggery.
These people play for keeps. They don't want to know that Jesus was alive, that Jesus is the Savior,
that He hung on the cross, that discouraging was incredibly brutal, that He rose again three days,
that He is the Savior, the hero of all mankind. They don't want to know that. And so they keep
stuff like this out. So this new article that just came out, you can look at the date, and you can
and let me just read it. 2024. Yeah. A team of scientists analyzing the shroud of Turin,
a large piece of cloth believed by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus Christ, have determined
that the shroud does indeed date back to the time of Jesus's life. So what's really cool about this
is now we've got, once again, forensic evidence that this is real. They've never been able to
duplicate. With all due respect to Joe Nicol and Joe, I love you, man, but when you tried to reduce
the shroud, it didn't look anything like it. But you gave it a try, and I got to give you two thumbs
up for that. You tried to debunk it, but you couldn't. This artifact is the most studied
artifact on the entire planet. It is. I mean, it's studied more than any other artifact on planet
Earth, and I call it God's calling card because that's what it is. It's forensic proof of the
most important event in all of history, because no one saw the crucifixion. The dragon, the enemy,
Satan, didn't understand the crucifixion. So he's figuring, well, he's going to come down,
he'll heal himself for all the wounds, and we'll all go home at the end of the day. He didn't
understand. Nobody got it. Mary didn't get it. John the apostle, they're at the feet of the cross.
They don't get it either. They're figuring, well, he's got to come down soon. He'll heal himself,
just like he healed the lepers and the blind men. He'll just transform, and he'll come down,
and we'll go about our business. No, it doesn't happen that way. And that's what the dragon never
thought. How can you kill God? Mary's going, well, we can't kill God, can you? And that's why he's
fully God and fully man. Fully God, fully man, which is absolutely mind-boggling when you think
about it. And that's where he separates. Just like if I died, God forbid, today, my body would—I'm
not getting cremated—my body would go back into the earth. My soul and my spirit, what does Paul
tell us? To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. I'd be with the Lord in
paradise, but I don't get my resurrected body till the rapture of the church happens. And then it's
like, whee! Now I'm in a glorified body. And how cool is that? So Jesus comes back. He goes down.
First, He goes down to Tartarus, and He preaches to the fallen angels in gloomy dungeons—and that's
a three-hour discussion—that you're not getting out. There is no jailbreak. I've got the keys
right here. Game over, checkmate, it's over. Then He goes back, He resurrects. And one of my favorite
passages in the whole Bible is the upper room where the apostles are huddled, and they're all
totally freaked out. You know, we're next, we're all going to die. And, you know, it's like we've got…
people don't understand the humor in the Bible. And by the way, folks, you can get this incredible
mug I'm holding by going to lemarzulli.com. But I…
That is your favorite, or one of your calling cards.
Absolutely. That I digress.
I love it.
Yeah. So anyway, hold on. Ellie, that's so unprofessional. Thank you. So the gentle Jesus,
the one with the lamb on his shoulders, you know, high on Jesus, and I'm really gentle and kind.
Now, He's always goofing on the apostles, always, always, always, always. That's part of His job
description. You know, keep them out of their comfort zones. And the humor here is this.
So the gentle Jesus would do, hey, guys, I know you're all gathered up in the upper room. It's me.
I don't want to alarm you, but I have risen from the dead now. So I'm going to come in. I'm not a
ghost. Everything's totally cool. Okay? Take a deep breath. I'm going to count to three, and then
I'm going to come in. I'm going to open the door slowly. I'm going to show you the piercing. And so
you know it's me, but just trust me here, okay? So He opens the door really slowly, and He shows
His hand. No, that's not what happens at all. He comes through the wall. Ta-da! It's just like…
I mean, it's just unbelievable. And the apostles are, ah, a ghost! Oh my God! What am I going to
do? Ah! They're totally freaked out. If that's not humorous, I don't know what is. I mean,
it's like a college prank in a way. I mean, it really is. It's just hysterical. And they touch
Him, and they feel Him, and they go, my gosh, it's you! And the wounds are there and the whole deal.
I don't believe His body bears the scars of the flagellation. I don't believe that.
But I don't know, because I haven't seen Him. You know, that would be something to carry around
for eternity. Could He show them to us? Yeah, He could, you know. But…
But we do know that the wrists and the side…
The side and the neck…
…are there.
…is Thomas. Yeah, He shows Thomas that. So, and then He does the most guy thing He could possibly
do. It's a total guy thing. Hey, guys, you got anything to eat? You know, it's such an incredible
moment. I mean, I'm hungry after a three-day fast, too. So…
Yeah, it's like a three-day fast. I'm really hungry.
Yeah. So, now they've taken a second look at this, and they've said that this is now,
like, it's now conclusive that it is from the time of Jesus, and it is showing, depicting a crucified
man with what appears to be piercings around his forehead, around on his wrists, and his side.
It really seems to be pointing to this is Jesus. At the very least, it is another person that was
crucified, but then somehow there's no other body there. There's no evidence of decaying bodies.
Because that leads to other things there. I remember somebody saying, and maybe it was you
in a previous conversation, where during the atomic bomb, Hiroshima, as that energy went out,
as that bomb went out, there's actually shadows that have been permanently…
On the wall. …on the walls.
Is something like that how we got this image? Yeah, we believe, and this is where it gets into
our film, The Holy Fire, which will be available coming to you, but probably end of September,
October sometime. So, we had this on film. So, here's the backstory. The Holy Fire has been
going on for 1700 years. And there's testimony that Peter saw it also. And the Holy Fire would
appear on the slab where Jesus lay, and it undulates. It's this bluish-white flame.
Okay, so all you skeptics out there, let's walk through this. Moses in the burning bush that
doesn't burn? What's that? You tell me. The pillar of flame that leads the Israelites through the
desert? What's that? What about the tongues of fire appearing over the apostles' heads? What's that?
Right? And we don't know. What if it's cold plasma? What if the Holy Spirit,
what if the Holy Spirit, that's, you know, when He manifests, that's how He…I'm just saying,
I don't know. So, the Holy Fire has been appearing in Jerusalem for 2000 years. But when the Romans
came down and wiped out the temple in AD 70, it's still there. But in 125, 130, in that window of
time, the Barakoshpa revolt, the Romans came in, that's it, we're done, no Jews are allowed in the
city. They kill everybody, throw everybody out of the city. They build the Temple of Venus over
Calvary. They build the Temple of Venus over Calvary and the Temple of Jupiter on the Temple
Mount, a matter of historical record. It sits like that from 125 to about 300. Enter Constantine,
Christianity becomes the state religion, state number one, and then his mother Helena goes down
and she goes, where was Calvary? Well, the locals all know. The people who were there, they all know.
Now, some people go, well, they didn't want to tell her where it was. Well, the Romans knew where
it was. They built the Temple of Venus right over Calvary. So, they completely deconstruct the Temple
of Venus. They find Calvary, and below it, here, is where the tomb is. They find all this, okay?
From that point in time, every single year, including when the Muslims controlled Jerusalem,
the Holy Fires appeared. Now, this is important because this is to your point,
to the point where the Muslims tore down the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, but the flame
appeared over the slab the next year. When the Christians got it, they rebuilt the thing,
the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, the Muslims took control of it again, and the Holy Sepulcher
the Holy Fire would come down to the roof of the Basilica like a dove, looking like a dove,
and light the lamps, and all the Muslims would convert to Christianity. So, the Calvary goes,
well, this isn't going to work for us. So, they pull out all the wicks, the cotton wicks, and insert
lead where the wicks would be. So, the Holy Fire comes down, lights all the lamps anyway. So,
then the Calvary goes, put them all out. Holy Fire comes back down again, lights them again.
The third time, he goes, that's it. We don't know what this is, but it's not a trick. So,
it's been going on for 1700 years. And originally, the eticule is the building that surrounds
the slab where the body lay. That's the eticule. So, we had this on film. So,
Giulio Fanti, who we interviewed, goes to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, and he gets
on his candles, he gets the Holy Fire. He has a piece of linen like this,
all right, and below it are two candles. Let me see if I can try to make this work. So,
one candle is here, and it is a normal candle, and he lights it. The other candle, he lights with the
Holy Fire. So, this candle is just a lighter, takes a cigarette lighter and lights it. This candle is
the Holy Fire. The one here with the normal fire burns right through the paper. Fire here
just scorches it, just scorches it. And so, we think this is why our film is so important.
We think the Holy Fire is the mechanism that creates the image on the shroud, because this
is what it looks like when you take the Holy Fire with linen, two candles, one candle burns
right through the linen. Holy Fire scorches it like this. I know, I know, and it's a mixed bag,
and people, ah, it sounds like a power trick to me. And it's like the naysayers are always there
to tell you where you're going wrong. But why, think about this, the Church, evangelicals,
we haven't heard of, I never heard of the Holy Fire until about four or five months ago.
And now we're doing a film. The Lord completely redirected our steps. We were supposed to be
across the pond filming for Ametreo of Anephilene. The Lord goes, I didn't tell you to go there.
Okay, sorry, we're not going over there. And now we're doing a film on the Shroud of Turin
and the Holy Fire. Wow. Yeah. That's fascinating. God's ordering our steps.
I love how the Lord is ordering your steps, and they're not the normal steps that most people
are told to take. God tells you often to make a documentary about this thing that people aren't
going to believe, but do it anyway, because, yeah. And that's, LA, your next book, The Rungs of
Disclosure, talks about so many things that are unfolding in front of us right now. There's
supernatural alien manifestations happening all over the place. And we're seeing those pop up more
and more, even around different historic events. I mean, I've heard reports of, even at the
attempted Trump assassination, that there were orbs and things flying around there.
There's been other things that have been happening in Israel recently. Tell us what's been happening
with this Rungs of Disclosure. Well, first of all, we signed with Charisma, and we are absolutely
delighted and excited to be part of the Charisma team. We're glad to have you. We're glad to have
you. Well, some of this is because of you. Let's give credit where credit is due. And I know that
when we reprinted Amitra of the Nephilim books, the leftover books were being stolen out of
Spring Pages offices. So anyway, this is the Lord's doing, and we're excited about it. But
one of the last rungs of Disclosure is where David Grush, who's a whistleblower, is before
the congressional hearings on UAPs, UFOs. And Nancy Mace, who is the congresswoman from South
Carolina, is questioning Grush about this. And she says, well, what about, do we actually have
crashed craft in our possession? And he goes, yes, we have crashed craft in our possession.
And then her follow-up question is, well, were there bodies retrieved from the U.S.
Army? Were there bodies retrieved from the crashed craft?
Crashed craft, stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?
He's kind of dancing around the question a little bit.
As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview, biologics came with some of these
recoveries. Yeah. And he says, yes, bodies were retrieved. Then she follows up with the, you know,
the coup de Gracie. She goes... Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?
And then she goes, no, we don't have that. She's just saying that it's just a
personal assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that
are currently still on the program. So all this, all this, because we're in the last days,
because 1948, Israel becomes a nation, Roswell happens in 47, the atomic bomb happens in 45,
Roswell happens in 47, Israel in 48, and then the whole UFO thing begins to version where the
UFOs go through the roof, including the flyby over Washington, DC, including Barry Thomas's book,
the Nephilim Return to Israel. I mean, they are obsessed with nukes because I think that that's
their trigger. I'm not going to give away the end of the book, but that's the very last chapter in
the book. It's also the last chapter in our film, you know, nine and 10, and then our ongoing UFO
series. And this is an interactive book. We have a site, which is not up yet. It's rungsofdisclosure.com.
And we're going to put a link to it in the book. So when you go there, if there are updates,
the updates will be there. But when, let's say the footnotes in chapter one, guess what? You go to
rungs of disclosure, here are the footnotes. Oh, here's the clip LA is talking about. We're giving
out to the folks. They can really understand what, because this ain't going away. I mean, right now
UFOs are pushed to the side. And of course, with the assassination, let me just say one thing about
that. Don't you folks find it amazing that they cremated the body 10 days later? So were there any
paraffin tests done on the body? I mean, seriously, this is a controlled narrative. If you don't think
so, you're sleeping, you know, then believe what you want to believe. But this is unbelievable.
It's unbelievable. Yeah. So the more we get closer to the end of time, we're seeing more and more of
these extraterrestrial and not being from another planet, so much another dimension, interdimensional
interdimensional beings. We're seeing all of these things come out in more frequency. I mean, all over
the internet, I'm seeing it showing up. And it's like, these don't look like just fake AI generated
things. These are people talking about it. And now there are definitely some fake ones out there.
Oh, absolutely. Sure. And anytime that I see one, I normally am texting it to you like, hey,
what do you think about this? What do you think about this? Because you've been in this for so
long, where you are looking for the truth amongst all this craziness. Help us to kind of, in the
couple minutes we have left here, help us just to kind of understand what do we need to do about
this? Yes, things are being disclosed, but what is our response? Our response is we have to have a
Christian perspective, because every Friday night on the Ancient Alien series, and God bless those
guys, you know, it's one of the longest running television shows, your kids and your grandkids
watch that. So they've been indoctrinated. They believe we've been visited by extraterrestrials.
Take a step further, guys like Richard Dawkins, one of the premier evolutionists of the 20s and
21st centuries, will state on the record that he believes, and we showed this in Ben Stein's movie,
Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed. When Stein sits down with Dawkins, where do you think life came
from? And Dawkins is saying, well, it could have happened this way. You know, in a galaxy far, far
away, a race of extraterrestrials who had to evolve by some Darwinian process, you know, created us
here. And that's called panspermia. So that's what the neo-Darwinists were looking for, that we were
seated here. And we have to, I've, look, I'm pushing back. That's why the book, that's why the films.
We're coming from a Christian perspective all the time. We have not been visited by extraterrestrials.
We have been visited by interdimensional entities that have a very extremely nefarious agenda. It's
the mixing of the seed. Daniel 2.43 says, their seed will mingle with the seed of men, but they
will not cleave to him. Who are they? Well, it's not human beings. Their seed will mingle with the
seed of men. And no cleaving. I got this from my friend and author, Jim Williamson. The word cleave
is the same word we get way back in Genesis. A man will leave his father and member cleaved to his
wife. There is no marriage contract. These nefarious entities just take what they want. They just grab
the women. They take ovum from them or they impregnate them. They take a sperm from the men.
And when we go, why would God allow this? And my retort to that, well, why does God allow us which?
We are under the thumb of the prince of this world right now. And that is why the king is coming back.
I'm not a date setter, but I think it's next Wednesday. Of course, I'm saying that tongue in
cheek, but it's, and I hope it is next Wednesday. I really do. Cause you can't fix this anymore.
And we need to stand up and push back against the prevailing narrative. And the coming great
deception is already all around us. Ancient Aliens and other shows, there's a new book,
I won't tell you the name of the author. I won't disparage him. I'm in the process of reading it.
But this guy is a Greek scholar and he's rewriting the Bible. He's trying to tell us that,
well, the Bible that we're reading was rewritten so many times. Well, I've heard this argument a
million times before, but what about the Dead Sea Scrolls? I mean, it was that rewritten 2000 years
ago. Why is the book of Isaiah in the shrine of the book where the whole thing is unwrapped?
Because there's no difference between that 2200 years ago than what we have today. So the scribes,
I mean, it's a straw man argument in some sense. And I've just started getting into this,
but what's at stake here where he goes with this is Elohim. I've heard this a gazillion times,
the Elohim. Well, these are the gods. This is plural. These are aliens. Oh my gosh!
And that's where they go. It's just like the Anunnaki. Well, you know, the Anunnaki,
the Sumerians are well before Moses and the whole crew. I get that. God allows all this stuff to
happen. And then he acts. He brings in Mo and Aaron, two of the three stooges, because that's
who they are. I mean, you know, Moses goes, I'm a man of like and barely talk here. And Aaron's got
the goofy staff. I really shouldn't say goofy, because I'd love to have a staff like, sorry,
Lord. I mean, a staff like that would be really cool to have, you know, messing with me.
You just changed my picturing of the Exodus story completely. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
I know. I mean, in some ways it really is. And I mean, that with all due respect, because Moses
is just favored by God. But, you know, Moses is a murderer. He's an adopted baby, grows up in Pharaoh's
house. And then he's a murderer. He kills the Egyptian guy and runs off. And he's a sheep herder.
Gee, you know, why do you think he's tending sheep for 30 years? It's like, guess what you're
going to be doing. I mean, Moses is an amazing, amazing human being, but he's flawed just like
all of us. I don't worship Moses. I worship Jesus. Moses is pretty amazing though, because he gets,
you know, to see God face to face in the whole deal. And the Ten Commandments, I mean, you know,
it's like, he's way up here. And who appears to Jesus? Moses and Elijah. So, you know, it's like,
wow, Moses was, but, you know, he's broken, just like all the point I'm trying to make is Moses is
broken. He's just a human being. He's flawed. And God uses flawed human beings, you know,
to further his kingdom. And a flawed human being goes, I'm not doing this. He's doing this, which
is why it's everything that we do, our films, the books, it's all the Lord's leading. I mean,
I never thought I'd be doing this at 73 years old. Are you kidding me? I should be playing shuffleboard
in Miami someplace. Just joking. That's funny. So, LA, as we're wrapping up here,
we're looking forward to the book, The Rungs of Disclosure, coming out very soon. And we'll do
another in-depth interview about that for sure. But as we're closing here, would you just wrap
us up in prayer? Father, we thank you for your word. We thank you for Jesus. We thank you that
new information on the shroud has come out. And Lord, we just, I believe it's your calling
card. It's the fingerprints of a supernatural. And we just thank you for your sacrifice.
I look at the scourging and it's a real shock to the system. It's so brutal and so barbaric.
And yet, like a lamp to the slaughter, you just, in some ways, Lord, I still don't get it. I really
don't. I have a severity of it. But that's what you did for all of us. And I just ask that people
who are watching this, that think they know who you are, but don't have a personal relationship
with you are. They don't have a personal relationship with you, then they don't know
who you are. And I would pray that they would just consider inviting you, Lord Jesus, into their
life. And it's so simple. All they have to do is just go, Lord, I'm a sinner. Come in and change
my life. I believe that you rose from the dead. That's it. If it was any more difficult, human
beings wouldn't be able to do it. So we thank you for John and Charisma. We just pray a blessing
over them and the book that's coming out. And I pray it would change people's lives and Jesus
' name. Amen. Amen. L.A. Marsoli, thank you so much for joining us today.
I'll bless you, John. Always, always a pleasure. Always an honor.