We were able to get actual footage with a guy who snuck in there with his phone and recorded the rituals, John.
We got it on tape, man. This is not a joke. It's not a game. This is really what's going on.
So, Pastor Billy, you mentioned we just talked about within the church,
but earlier you mentioned that it's all throughout society. It's permeated through society.
And I know from the videos that I've watched, you were doing a deep dive into Freemasons and
explaining the influence that they have all throughout our society. And honestly,
it's something I've been interested in, but I didn't even know where to begin.
So, your sermon was great about that. And I know I'll probably just put links to that, but give us,
kind of help us understand what are the Freemasons and why are they such an influential
thing, but behind the scenes at the same time? Oh, okay. Yeah, great question. Well, first of all,
if you've seen anything on YouTube, learn to get off of YouTube, at least with our studies,
because we have so many that have been deleted, hacked, and banned. If you ever want to get
everything that we do, all the stuff that you're missing, that they don't want you to see, that's
our teaching website, GetAliveMedia.com. But basically, the Freemasonry study, I did a 10-part
study on that, and I didn't plan on this. It's just the way it worked out. Go figure. That was
the capstone of an occult study I've been working on for several years. I did 20 weeks on witchcraft,
16 weeks on Satanism, 30 weeks on what I called voodoo, vampires, and rise of demon worship.
And so basically, it ended up being 66 studies on six books. Go figure. Okay. So then I went from
that occult study into occult societies, with Freemasonry being the first one. And that ended
up being a 10-part study. You can get it book DVDs, or you can just watch it on our website,
or download our app. But basically, that one, again, I was surprised. You're right. A lot of
people, even Christians, have heard of Freemasonry, but that's about all that's gone. And almost
everybody has a story where, yeah, my grandfather, my uncle, or my dad, or family member of this,
or used to be in it, or still is in it, or whatever. And they just think it's a good old
boys club. No, it's not. It's in the occult secret society. And this is what we expelled.
And part of it too is it's not just in the world, it's in the church. And I bring up examples,
again, of not just experiencing occult behavior in the church, but Freemasonry. In fact, this was my
very first senior pastorate and my very first encounter with Freemasonry. And what it was,
I was four weeks in, and I was just doing a basic polemic study that time on Sunday
on the uniqueness of Christ and the cross, as opposed to other religions on the planet.
Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, even Jehovah's Witnesses, some of the pseudo-Christian cults.
And nothing really deep dive, just showing the uniqueness that Christianity is unique.
All other religions say that you are God, you got to become God, you got to work your way to God.
None of them have a cross. Christianity is unique. I kid you not. So I get done with that sermon.
And the next thing you know, I get a phone call from one of the pillars of the church,
their wives, and said that, quote, he so-and-so was upset with what I preached on. I said,
well, why? What was unbiblical about it? And went on and on and said, well,
I think you just need to meet with him. So I drove out to his house and he was a big guy.
And he looked down on me the whole time. And he's like a six foot six big old dude. And
he said, well, I don't think you should be talking about other religions like that.
I said, well, why not? Well, I just don't think it's right. I shouldn't do that. I said, well,
wait a second. If in fact, Jesus is the only way, I didn't say he did, John 14, 6, he's the way,
the truth, the life. No one comes to the Father except by me. That means every other path out
there is a false path. And it's not a small issue. It's not just, oh, they didn't make it to heaven.
No, the Bible's clear. If you don't go through Jesus, you go to hell. So how am I a loving
Christian, Mr. So-and-so, if I don't tell people that all other paths are false, that will lead you
to hell. And if I don't share them good news, that it is through Jesus Christ. And you can know for
sure that you're on your way to heaven through him. And he just went round and round. Of course,
I'm dealing with it biblically, right? And he went round and round. And so he was getting nowhere.
And so I kid you not, John, he looked down at me and he said, and he pointed his finger in my face,
he says, listen, I've seen a lot of you come and a lot of you go. Turns out the guy's a Freemason
in the church. I don't think he was the only one. And a pillar in the church, basically running the
church behind the scenes. And the reason why he rejected that is because this is one of the many,
many false unbiblical teachings of Freemasonry that people need to wake up to. They believe in a
pluralistic deity. They believe in universalism that all paths will eventually get you. They don't
call it heaven. They call it the grand lodge in the sky. It's a works-based false gospel. No,
no different than trying to earn your way to heaven as a Mormon or Jehovah's Witnesses or all
those other classic ones that we say, oh yeah, yeah, that's obviously works-based false gospel.
Freemasonry is the same way that you have to be a good Mason. You have to follow the teachings of
masonry and do good things. All these guys, you think about Shriners, Shriner hospitals and all
that stuff, you think, oh, these are so altruistic. No, they're different. They're
thinking, oh, these are so altruistic. No, they're doing that because they believe they have to do
these good deeds in order to get to the grand lodge above. And then speaking of Shriners, see,
there's many different branches of Freemasonry. Just like, and I use this loosely, just like
there's many different denominations of Christianity, there's many different branches of Freemasonry.
Right? You got your Scottish Rite, and these are just the ones in America. You got your York Rite,
which eventually you can get into the Knights Templar. And then you got your Prince Hall,
that's for the black African community, Freemasonry. You got ladies Freemasonry,
youth Freemasonry, but you also have the Shriners. And the Shriners, the interesting thing about
Shriners is at one point as a Shriner, you have to, and this is in print, it's on video,
it's not a conspiracy theory. You have to pledge obedience and allegiance to the God of Islam,
Allah, and Muhammad as your prophet. That's why they wear those red hats called a fez.
The fez, if you notice, has what on the front? Islamic swords or crescent, exactly, it's Islamic
symbols. And the reason why they're red and they're called a fez is because that was symbolic of a
victory of the Muslims slaughtering Christians in Fez, Morocco, and they dipped their hats in the
Christian's blood. How can you be a Christian and be a part of something like this is beyond me.
But this is what we expose. I'll give you another one. A lot of people say, they'll say,
they try to give people a benefit of that. Well, yeah, I get it. When you get up into the different
degrees, you know, upwards, you want to make it to the 32nd, 33rd degree, up to the very top,
up. That's when they drop the bomb on you that the spirit they're really worshiping is Lucifer.
No, you find out a lot earlier than that. That's misnomer number one.
But people say, well, they just went through the first three degrees and they just thought,
you know, this is a good old boys club. They do good works for the community. And the way they
suck people in is they will say, hey, man, you come, you know, and you got to be invited. They'll
tap you on the shoulder, including in the church service and say, hey, would you like to come to
lunch? And so, but then they say, you know, we'll help you with your business. We'll help you with
this or that or whatever. And they do. And so people think, oh, it's just a good boys club.
It's good for business and whatever. But people say, well, they only went through the first three
degrees. They don't know about all this other Luciferian stuff that's going on. That's not true.
That's a huge misnomer. I couldn't wait to expose that one. Because the first three degrees that
you have to take, and this is their words, not mine, bloody oaths, right? And let's just deal
with the first degree. We haven't even got to the third one. The third one's what's called a master
Mason, right? But this is the, the, the, uh, entered apprentice. So you just, you're just starting
out. You tell me, John, if you're a Christian, a true born again Christian and drove the Holy Spirit,
that at some point the Holy Spirit is not going to be screaming at you to run. Right? So here it is,
you get into the lodge and the first thing they do is they blindfold you. It's, it's called a
hoodwink. As in you get hoodwinked. That's where we get that term from. It's a Freemason term.
So they blindfold you. And part of that is because you have to acknowledge that everything that
you've known in life so far is darkness. And now you're coming into the light, the truth of
Freemasonry. Well, wait a second. How can I profess that as a Christian? I've got the light of Jesus
Christ. How can I, how can I walk away from that and say that that's darkness? You would think the
Holy Spirit would cause you to run at that point. Oh, you're just getting started. Then they, you
got to take a shirt off. Okay. That's weird. And then you got to all before you got to bow before
an altar. Okay. Before a guy called the worshipful master. Excuse me. I don't bow before anybody.
Then the one and only master, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ. So what are you
doing bowing before a man? Then here comes your bloody oath. And you are bound before this
worshipful master before an altar. They have a typically a sword at your chest and you vow
that you will never reveal the secrets of Freemasonry and what you are about to be taught
and initiated into under the penalty of, and you have to walk it through with them with your thumb,
throat to throat, that you can cut my throat from ear to ear, cut out my tongue and disembowel me.
And you're supposed to be a Christian. John, that's just a first degree. Oh yeah, we haven't made the
33 or none of that stuff that you learn along the way. In the seventh degree, you learn that they
worship a plural God called Jabulon, right? Which includes Baal and the Egyptian God Osiris. Oh,
when you get to the 17th degree, then they say, we've got the secret password to get you into
eternity. I'm not making this up. You know what it is? I'll tell you the secret. The secret password
is Abaddon. Wait a second, Abaddon? That's the name that you see of the destroyer that came out
of the Abusas, the pit of hell that's unleashed on the planet in the seven year tribulation.
And so that's the name that's going to get me to the grand lodge above. I got to say Abaddon.
And no, and you know what the sad thing is? John, for every person who thinks that when they die,
and then they're going to say the word Abaddon, you know what's going to happen?
You're not going to heaven. You will see the destroyer. And John, on and on it goes.
And this is not a conspiracy. And here's what's scary. I expect that from the world. I don't
condone it, but that's what the enemy has been doing ever since the birth of Christianity, Acts
chapter two. Jesus Christ is the only way out of this mess. And so what has he been doing?
Ever since then, he's inventing as many different false paths as he can, different religions, new
religions, latest religion, this, right? And just to cloud the issue to hopefully get people off the
one and only way out of this mess. Freemasonry is just another one. But I expect that from the
world, they don't know better. They don't know Christ. They don't have the Bible. They're not born
again. The Bible says that the mind of the unspiritual man cannot understand the spiritual
things. I get that. John, what's alarming to me is this is in the church. And I share in this study
over and over again, Freemasonry is allowed to do the rituals that are completely unbiblical in
church services, to do their funerals in services. Much of the church board are Freemasons,
including pastors and things of that nature. And I'm going, and John, we're just scraping the
surface of what goes on in this occult secret society. How can you be a Christian and allow this
to happen? And so my thing is this, if you've got these guys in charge of your church, you need to
rise up as a church and I'll just be blunt, you need to fire them. They need to, and I tell people
this all the time, if you're professing to be a Christian, you better repent, run, and get right
with God. And if you refuse to leave, you're in a heap of trouble.
Yeah. Pastor Billy, I got to ask you, if people are sworn to secrecy under basically vow of
cutting off their, cutting their throat, cutting off their tongue and disemboweling them,
how are you getting this information? Well, part of it is the Freemasons who've been brave enough
to come out. They get saved and then they come out and expose it. And that's why we know. In fact,
what's interesting was due to modern technology, because a lot of people say, oh, that's not what
they do when they're, the lodge that I went to, it's Christian because they had a Bible on that
altar. First of all, just because they have a Bible doesn't mean they follow it. Second of all,
oftentimes their Bible, for instance, the Oxford Freemason Bible at the back end has all this
Egyptian symbolism and stuff, because that's what they merge in with their belief system.
That's not our Bible. And then third, they're pluralistic. You can go in there one week and
it might be the Christian Bible, but then other week it might be the Hindu Vedas or it might be
the Quran. Because again, they believe that whatever path you choose, you just got to believe in a
supreme being, right? It doesn't have to be the one of the Bible. So just because they have that,
that doesn't, that doesn't mean anything. But the problem is, is, you know, they go into there
and they think that, you know, that's just, you know, not really that big of, you're exaggerating
this. This is just, you got this on wackyguy.org or conspiracyguy.com. No, modern technology.
We were able to get actual footage with a guy who snuck in there with his phone
and recorded the rituals, John. We got it on tape, man. This is not a joke. It's not a game. This
is really what's going on. And so, so it's basically Freemasons who've come out, most of them,
got saved, praise God, but they're revealing to people what is really going on behind closed doors.
And the reason why they get away with it is twofold. Number one, hello, it's a secret society.
By definition, secret. So they're not touting it from the horns. So we only can rely upon those
that can sneak in and get it back to us or those that were a part of it and got saved and come out
and spill the beans. There's a lot of questions I have on that. And I know we can spend a lot of time
debating this, but what influence do they have in society, or not debating it. I don't want to debate
anything like that. I just want to learn more about it, but what influence does this have in society
as a whole? I know Washington DC is filled with the symbology of that. And what do we as Christians
do about this? Well, great question. That's how we actually ended our study on the last three studies.
We dealt with, all right, where are these guys at? And how are they getting away with this?
And so I just broke it down into many different categories. You got Freemasonry throughout
Hollywood. Probably one of the best advertisements that they've had to recruit people in a long time
was the National Treasure series. Huge. Disney just did a reboot with that with a modern
millennial version. But it just encourages people to, oh, this is a cool, eclectic society.
And so Hollywood's in it, music industry is in it. We expose that, especially because we had the
two studies just on the symbolism in Freemasonry, explaining what those symbols mean. And then when
you see what symbols are in Freemasonry, you see them everywhere. Hollywood, the music industry,
the whole nine yards. They tell you who they're working for. But I got into the politics,
past presidents of our country, indisputable, full on Freemasonry. And again, the danger with this is
you're talking about people that were also on our Supreme courts, judges and things of that nature.
And Jong, you got to keep in mind that, again, when a person becomes a Freemason, they pledge
their allegiance, number one solely to Freemasonry. And that means it comes first. And you pledge
yourself to quote, protecting the brotherhood, other Freemasons. And this goes back to their
secret hand signals, hand signs, hand in the vest, stand square, the particular stances and things,
secret handshakes on the knuckle and all that stuff. It's not a conspiracy theory. This is how
they identify themselves out in public in secret because this is a secret society.
So I'll give you a case in point. We demonstrated this still goes on. Have you ever wondered,
you got some people that do these dirty deeds, these horrible crimes, and you're going,
that guy's going, he's going up river for a long time. Next thing you know,
he gets off the hook. What's going on there? John, this is how the system works.
Freemasonry, their beliefs is supersedes everything, including the constitution,
the bill of rights, and the law of the land. So give you a case in point. If you had a Freemason
judge, and then you were a Freemason who has been brought to court, you don't have to say a word.
You give them the sign, you give them the distress signal, the way that you stand,
and then he is bound by the bloody ulcer of Freemasonry. He has to do everything in his power
to let that brother go. This is the danger of this stuff. So our laws and our country think
they're being perverted with these guys. Plus their agenda is not God's agenda. Their agenda
is not what our founding fathers had with the biblical Judeo-Christian ethic and things of that
nature. So there's a conflict that's going on. But again, we expose how they've wormed their way in,
even into the military and things of that nature. I already mentioned women's groups,
youth groups, whatever, but they're all over. So the biggest thing is,
and you say, well, what do we do? Well, we get the truth out. As Paul says,
referring to the gospel, how beautiful are the feet of those that bring the good news? How can
they know unless somebody tells them? Well, how can people know what they're up against
in order to fight this battle if you don't even know you're in the battle first place?
And second of all, who am I battling against? And then third, where are they at? And so it's
the truth, John. We get the truth out. We expose the dirty deeds of darkness,
and so that people could wake up and go, oh, I had no clue that I was in the wrong.
People could wake up and go like, oh, I had no clue that that's what Freemasonry is, teaches,
how antithetical it is to everything as a Christian. Whoa, I didn't know that it was not just on the
outside. Whoa, now I can see it's on the inside of the church so you can clean the church up,
number one. Number two, then it's on the outside. Oh, then we need to clean up what's going on in
our country. And that's how you do it. John, there's more of us than there is them,
but they get away with it because people, again, back to the beginning, they don't want to study
the whole of the Bible. Now you say that as a Christian because you're supposed to say that.
That sounds spiritual, right? You don't say, hey, I'm only going to study what I want to hear,
right? Which actually is a Bible prophecy sign. Real quick, Paul told Timothy, he says, how do
you know your last days? Hey, don't just look at Matthew 24. Jesus said, you're going to see
false Christ, false prophets, false teachers, wars, rumors of wars, famines, pestilence,
increase of all that stuff, earthquakes. And we're seeing that. Paul says, watch this. When
you see this in the church in the last days, he said the church is going to gather around themselves
a plethora, in the Greek it's a pile, a pile of teachers who will tickle their ears and they'll
turn away from the truth and they'll turn aside to myths. And I'm going like tickle your ears,
what's that? So I looked it up in the Greek way back and it's kinetho and it means to desire
only that which is pleasant. And muthos is where we get the word myth or like stories made up.
So basically Paul says, yeah, look in the world when you see wars, rumors of war, Jesus saying this,
famines, pestilence, increase, that's a sign you're in the last days. But Paul says, now,
don't just look at the world, look at the church. And when you see in the church, basically all you
get is pleasant things and stories made up, you're in the last days. So this is what's going on.
The people don't, they're being duped. They're not being taught the whole council of God. So they
don't even know what to look for. What do you do? You preach the truth, right? And it's the same,
this is the light, John, right? And you want to get rid of the darkness? You bring on the light.
You teach the truth, which is the light of Christ. And then each individual Christian goes and shares
the light of that truth. That's how you dispel darkness. You go into a dark room. It's a dark
room. Well, oh no, I'm just going to sit there and go like, I can't get rid of this. I'm clueless. I
have no idea what to, what do I do? Go turn the light on. And you don't just turn the light on.
As soon as you turn the light on, what happens to the darkness? It goes away. It goes away.
That's what we need to get back to as Christians, to preach the whole council of God,
get Christians equipped on the light of Jesus Christ, get out there and be the salt and the
light. Okay. And then we would see all this darkness flee that fast. That's it. I'm not
trying to oversimplify, but John, that's the answer right there. You expose it with the light of the
truth of God's word and instantly the darkness flees. Wow. Pastor Billy, would you pray for the
people that have been watching this and they're like, I need to do something based on what pastor
Billy has said and just help them, just pray for them to have discernment that's a turn that light
on. Yeah. Finally, we just thank you so much for our time today and we thank you most importantly
for Jesus. Thank you for saving us through him, giving us the gift of eternal life through him.
And God, if there's anybody that's tuning in, that's not truly born again, maybe they're going to a
church service, but that doesn't save you. Or maybe they were like me, would never step foot in a
church service, but they're interested and they want to know the truth. And maybe you're tugging
at their heart. God, would you cause them to be obedient and be blessed even right where they're
at God right now that they would cry out to you, Jesus, and ask you to forgive them their sins.
You tell us that you are holy that we are not, but the good news is through Jesus Christ,
we can be saved and forgiven completely of all of our sins and made into a new creation in you.
God, would you please draw them to you? May that take place even now. And God, for we, your church,
those of us that are born again, maybe we've been one of those lackadaisical Christians.
Maybe we were the ones that only wanted our ears tickled, but we're starting to be convicted to
realize, no, we need to know all the truth. And the problem isn't with the darkness encroaching.
The problem is with us not declaring your light. So God, raise us up in these last days as a mighty
equipped army in the light of your truth, that we would work together as your people and dispel back
to darkness until you come home and get us. That's how we need to finish. Finish strong,
not fearful, finish faithful as the bride of Christ until that glorious day, which could happen
very soon when we get to go be with you forever. But God, please do a great work. It's not by
chance that people are watching and listening. And so God, please bear much fruit, which we
know is your will. We ask all this in your powerful name, in Jesus' name. Amen.
Amen. Pastor Billy Crone, I know that we're going to have to do more discussions with you about spiritual warfare, about the demonic in society.
And I see a book behind you about aliens even. So there's more that we can talk about.
But I just appreciate you taking this time today to do what we've done so far. So thank you so much
for being here on Charisma. Yeah, hey, anytime, John. Thank you for having me.