but have also exposed occult behavior going on in churches.
They don't even know because they're not even being taught.
And so the enemy's very slick.
All he does is just taking a cult practice
and he relabels it and sprinkles it with some Christianese
and people buy into it.
Pastor Billy Cron, it's great to have you here on Charisma.
And I've been looking forward to this
because I had that opportunity to look at
some of your YouTube channel videos
and you have done quite an extensive deep dive
into some very, let's say interesting topics
that the church doesn't normally talk about at all.
And most of the time it says,
let's just save that for the fringe group over there.
But you're dealing with it head on on Sunday mornings
at any other time that you can
because these are things that the church needs to deal with.
And I'm talking about secret societies
and different things like that.
So before we get into that though, Pastor Billy,
I wanna let people hear your testimony.
You started telling me a little bit beforehand,
but I was blown away already.
So just to tell us about who Pastor Billy is.
Aha, well, yeah, thanks, John.
Thanks for having me on to treat.
And yeah, what a privilege to be able to share a God's story,
it's his story of what he's done with a wretch like me.
And hopefully it would encourage people to never give up.
I was a blasphemer, I was not raising the church.
I grew up in the Midwest, Kansas, Nebraska.
I was turned off to Christianity early on,
basically with the hypocrisy that I saw growing up.
I've done just about every drug on the sun,
was involved in all kinds of sin, immorality,
but basically a 1980s ex-headbanger drug addict,
sexually immoral, male chivalrous pig guy,
involved in the occult.
When I was about 16 years old,
I was so depressed and longing for purpose in life.
I unfortunately did my first prayer
and that was a prayer to Satan.
And I said, Satan, you can have this life
if you give me power and significance.
And to show his character, John chapter eight G said,
Satan is a liar.
He's the father of all lies.
He's a murderer and he's been one from the beginning.
Well, within three months of that, sure enough,
I tried to kill myself three different times
and twice with pills that didn't work.
So I shot myself once in the chest here with a rifle.
And to be honest with you, John, I didn't want to die.
That was, I guess, my unfortunate way
of letting people know that I'm dying on the inside.
And I don't have any answers.
And the sad thing is I was surrounded
by people who profess to be Christians.
I was surrounded by churches,
but nobody was telling me about Jesus.
And again, back to the hypocrisy,
when I'm wanting answers for life,
the guys that I'm parting with during the week,
on the weekends, doing the sinful rotten things,
guess where they would go on Sundays
if they weren't too hungover or strung out?
Church services.
So of course they weren't telling me about Jesus.
And of course the message though,
they were loudly declaring to me was apparently,
Christianity is a joke,
because I don't see no change in you
and no difference, you're just like me.
So when I finally got awakened to spiritual things,
wanting to find out what is life all about,
why am I here? You know, the classic bare bones questions
that everybody has, I was on my own.
So unfortunately I went from making that pact with Satan.
I ended up moving from Kansas to California.
And for a while I tried to reform my life
and get an education.
I cut my hair and did all those things that society says
you need to, you know, have a successful great life
and fill that hole in your heart.
And unfortunately one of my roommates,
he turned me onto the Satanic Bible, Antoine Leveille.
And that invited unfortunately a lot of demonic activity.
That most likely if I wasn't already by then,
I was probably, that was my first time being possessed.
And then I went from there to make matters worse.
I had a coworker who introduced me into New Age.
And New Age, if your audience is not familiar with that,
it's basically making up your own religion as you go.
You get to be God, the live Genesis three,
you get to determine what's right and wrong.
And so it's kind of like a cafeteria.
You know, you go down the line and you say,
I want a little bit of this, I'll put that on my plate.
I'll take a little bit of this and put it on my plate.
Same thing when it comes to religion.
So I'll take a little Buddhism, I'll sprinkle that on.
I'll do some Easter mysticism.
I'll even do some self-help secular psychology.
I'll just, maybe even a little bit of Christianity.
Nothing convicting, you know,
everybody loves the golden rule,
but you know, you just throw it all together
and that becomes your reality.
Well, with that reality comes,
you're trained to become a disseminator of this truth,
this new truth that you get to make up.
And in order to get that truth,
you have to have the space brothers, believe it or not,
UFOs came into this, the spirit guides
and things of that nature to come inside you
and speak through you, which I didn't know at then,
but obviously now it's, you know,
communicating that mediumship that God condemns
in Deuteronomy 18.
But now I'm multiply possessed.
And of course, you go down this route, the darker it gets.
And what was happening, John,
I literally, right before I got saved,
these guys were either, they were trying to kill me.
So I would join them one day in the lake of fire
or, and or they were driving me insane.
In fact, even as a non-Christian,
right before I got saved, it got so bad
that I had to watch TV or read a book
or just look at something to maintain my sanity.
They were driving me insane.
In fact, as, and this is what came to my mind,
even as a non-Christian,
that I was walking a razor's edge in my mind,
being demon possessed,
and that if I didn't fight this,
if I even just for, if I slacked off,
even for just a little bit,
I literally knew what it was gonna be like
to go insane and not come back.
And that literally went through my mind.
What makes it worse is I can't string enough words together
in English to describe to you,
what is it like to be demon possessed?
Because it's not on the outside of you, that's bad enough.
It's on the inside of you and you're not in control.
And then when that thought hits you, it's, it just fuels it.
So anyway, long story short, I didn't see it coming.
It was almost like God says, okay, now's the time.
Snaps his finger from heaven, so to speak.
Says, watch what I do with this fool.
And so the demonic tear, I just got into my apartment.
It hit me again.
I was all by myself.
I scared me so bad this time
that my reaction though, this time,
was I ran to my bedroom, I was 25, I dropped on my knees.
And I said, I said, God, if you're real,
and you want this slide, you can have it.
I spent the last 25 years messing it up.
But I knew enough that I needed to call upon
the name of Jesus Christ from two Christians
who dared to witness to me.
And I was mean and nasty to him.
I was mean and nasty to every Christian.
I was a blasphemer.
And so I followed that up with this.
Jesus Christ, would you please forgive me and save me?
And bang, instantly, man, it was just,
it was just like the scripture says,
from darkness to light, instantaneously.
It was like the way the world came off of my,
out of me, shoulders.
I'm sure that was the demons leaving me.
The first couple of days, I'm not joking.
It's like somebody messed with the color hue.
The sky was blue or the grass was greener.
I mean, it was just, I was a brand new creation Christ.
And basically, I'm all by myself.
All I knew was I called upon the name of Jesus Christ
and something had radically changed.
I started going to church services.
I figured that's what you're supposed to do.
I'm a Christian now.
I found a Bible, started reading it.
I figured that's what you're supposed to do.
I'm a Christian now.
And so two weeks old in the Lord,
I'm reading the Bible before I go to bed.
And I close it and I simply said, God, I want to know more.
So the next day, I woke up with the idea
that would not leave my brain, go to Bible college.
And I'm going, man, God, that can't be you
because I'm disqualified.
I'm the guy that was involved in the occult.
The drug addict guy, the last few were no way.
Anyway, long story short, it persisted.
Eight weeks after I got saved, I'm in Bible college.
I was not raising the church.
I knew nothing.
I had to keep my thumb at the beginning of the Bible
just to find out, okay, what book, where's that?
I knew nothing.
I just wanted to learn.
I had no idea that God was going to call me
to do what he's having me do today.
I just wanted to know more.
And so basically eight weeks after I'm saved,
I'm in Bible college and for the next seven years,
I'm there in the later seminary.
I started pastoring before I graduated Bible college
in California, which is where I got saved,
Northern California.
Then for several years there, and then I took a position,
I pastored for five years in New York
and now I've been 13 years in Vegas.
Wow.
So you went from darkness to light in a drastic way.
And I find it very interesting
that in today's day and age,
there is a rise of cessationists,
that it seems like that's something that they're,
they're coming more of a forefront,
attacking the spiritual.
And so in saying that that doesn't exist,
you have a very unique vantage point
where you came from such darkness in the occult,
in Satanism, where that is nothing but spiritual.
But now you're dealing with good spiritual things
on God's side.
So whenever you're,
whenever somebody brings up, oh, that's not real,
how do you deal with that?
Well, one, always go back to the scripture.
And that's why I say all the time, John,
and when I teach, I say, and where am I getting this?
The readers I just, my personal opinion, social media.
Oh, that's right.
I'm quoting the Bible.
Old in New Testament, you talk about spiritual warfare,
you talk about demons, you talk about the reality of evil
and Satan is not a joke, it's real, demons are real.
It's all over the Bible, Old in New Testament.
What verse do you want?
How many do you want?
And as a Christian, we're supposed to be taught
the whole counsel of God.
So how can you sit there and cherry pick
and dance around something that's all over the Bible?
Not an isolated case here and there
that you could try to excuse away.
This is everywhere.
Well, I think I know why.
Number one, if you were the enemy,
then what's one obvious thing
that you would try to get people to do?
Not believing your existence,
because then you would have a heyday.
And John, I don't know if you've seen the recent stats,
65% of those who profess to be Christians
in the United States of America
do not believe in a literal devil.
I wonder who put that idea in their head.
So if I was Satan, of course I wouldn't want people to know
because then you're gonna give him even more free reign.
And that's why for years, you can see behind me,
I've written so many books, not just on the occult,
but a lot of them, but have also exposed
occult behavior going on in churches.
They don't even know because they're not even being taught.
And so the enemy's very slick.
All he does is just taking a cult practice
and he relables it and sprinkles it with some Christian ease
and people buy into it because they're not being taught.
And again, these are not isolated texts.
Read the scripture.
The Bible is a supernatural book.
Yes, God is supernatural.
The good news is he's above and beyond, Psalm chapter two.
He's the one who sits enthroned in heaven last.
He's the one who's in control, right?
Satan is not a loose cannon on deck.
He only gets to do what God allows him to do, right?
And they have their day of judgment.
They are all headed.
Satan and the demons, Matthew 25, Jesus is clear.
That's what hell was originally created for it was for them,
right?
And so their date of destiny is there, but guess what?
That judgment day hasn't come yet.
So this is why the scripture is replete.
This is why Paul says repeatedly in the New Testament,
not all of our battles are against flesh and blood.
Sometimes, guess what?
You're going to experience spiritual warfare.
And I'll just add this real quick.
And it's not just in the church, John.
It's everywhere in the world.
And part of that is the programming on purpose
that's opening people up to receive a cult behavior,
thinking that it's a good thing.
They're rejecting Christianity, but people deep down
inside still want to have a spiritual experience.
And so the church not warning people,
equipping not just the church, but people in general,
they're backing up into the cult in droves in all forms.
Satanism, voodoo, shamanism, witchcraft, you name it,
it's all on the rise.
And then the irony is, the Bible says in Revelation 9,
that's exactly what's going to happen the last days.
It's going to get so bad that the planet is going to be
littered with people who literally worship demons.
And so all that's coming into play,
it's all there in the scripture, it's just sad
that people don't want to believe it.
Or dare I say, they flat out just don't want to hear it.
And man, that's just opening up the irony is,
it's opening up to the very thing you don't want to hear
or believe in spiritual warfare.
Yeah.
You know, Pastor Billy, you said something that
I got to dig deeper in.
You said a cult practices sneaking into the church.
I want to hear what those are,
because I know that the devil doesn't have
any creativity himself.
He uses, he basically creates counterfeits
of what God has given.
But so there is real things and then there's counterfeits.
But we let the counterfeits in thinking it's real sometimes.
We need discernment, big time.
Help us understand some of these occult practices
that have snuck into churches
and how we can have discernment to deal with those
and keep out new ones.
Yeah, well, some of it is just a,
it's a flat out full on attack by the occult.
And since people don't even want to believe in that,
then they're coming in the church.
They used to be outside and all that stuff,
but no, they're in.
And they're not just in, John.
I've got actual pastoral reports,
warning churches of what is going on
in different parts of the world.
And dare I say, even the United States,
and I'll just give you a couple of quick examples.
Number one, Satanists are getting so chummy
with the church that they come in
and they're very slick.
The enemy, he doesn't just always come in with like
what I experienced, you know,
with full on demon possession, terror, you know,
that's true, that doesn't happen.
But the Bible also says that Satan masquerades
as an angel of light.
And so sometimes he dupes you with good feelings.
And so he, it's good cop, bad cop,
kind of, you know, he plays on you, but both are bad.
So I'll give you a case in point.
And this is actual reports, actual testimonies.
Satanists have come into church,
a lot of them, that's part of their rituals with Satanism.
They have to break every commandment
because it's all about rebelling against God,
doing everything the exact opposite.
It's called the law reversal of what God says.
And sometimes their initiations
is to specifically go into churches.
Now, sometimes they'll instill fear,
they'll do, they'll break in and do the pentagram
and spray paint and tag churches.
And then I'll freak people out.
A lot of times, John, though, it's very much subtle
and they go in specifically to destroy churches.
Let me give you a case in point.
His name is Glenn, he's a generational Satanist.
He was being trained to be the next high priest
and his family, Satanists, finally got saved.
So he came out, he said, here was his tack.
He was tasked with taking down
this particular church in the town.
And you know how he did it?
He didn't spray paint, he didn't vandalize,
he didn't instill fear.
He went into the church, he learned Christianese.
He learned to say, amen, hallelujah.
But he wasn't talking about Jesus.
And he sat there in this quote,
Baptist church for two years.
And you know how he brought that church down?
He sat there for two years, every service,
and all he did was murmur and complain.
He turned to somebody and said,
can you believe that?
Pastor didn't know what he's talking about.
What a joke.
Did you see those people over there?
What a bunch of hypocrites, whatever.
Can you believe the decision the deconvourge just made?
Those guys are dumb.
They have no right being the leadership.
He's so discord to bring the church down.
It's that subtle, John.
I'll give you another one.
That's Satanist, witches.
Witches, this goes on a lot.
People don't realize this.
In fact, witches oftentimes, they'll be in the service
and they will be muttering as the pastor's preaching,
muttering their incantations.
People think they're speaking in tongues.
They're muttering their curses upon the people.
Oftentimes, they really hype it up,
especially when the pastor's preaching
because he's preaching the word of God.
And so they will be doing their curses
to put a spirit that people are lethargy
and falling asleep.
And I'm not saying it happens every time,
but man, you go to church service next to you,
and you're like, man, I was just all bright and chippy
and what's all the sudden?
I can't even keep my eyes open.
And things of nature.
But it isn't just they're sitting in the pew.
Satanists are witches, John.
They're working and warming their way into positions.
Now that could be starting with getting involved
in the choir.
Most churches don't even vet.
I call it the warm body syndrome.
But you're gonna help.
Okay, we'll put you on there.
They don't even know if they're born again.
They don't even ask the questions.
Some of these people they're inviting is the occult people.
They're warming their way into teaching Sunday school classes
because everybody needs help, right?
All churches, man, it seems you're short on good servants
and help working their way into board positions.
And ultimately is to take over the church.
Now I'll give you a case in point.
This really happened to me
in one of the places that I pastored.
And I didn't find this out until right before
God moved us on to another ministry.
And I'm not joking.
This really happened.
It was at a board meeting.
And out of the blue, John, out of the blue,
this person begins to go into a tirade of how,
you know, they're kind of just a little peeved at Christians
and how, you know, even as far back as the Salem witch trials
and all the persecution upon the witches
and I mean, after all, my family is from a generation of witches
and whatever, and it was just like, what?
What did, and you're waiting for them to, you know,
can and camera to show up or them to say,
hey, psych, just kidding, whatever.
No, they're deadly serious.
And so here's a person serving on a church board,
generates a witchcraft, mad at Christians.
These are the people steering the church.
I can tell you story after story after story
of people involved in churches coming to the churches
and things that nature, but the church can't put two
and two together because the church 65%
don't even want to believe in this.
The other big bulk do the math, right?
35%, they don't even want to hear this.
And so now the enemy used to be on the outside,
they're giving free reign to come on the inside
and you wonder, John, why there's so much turmoil
in churches today.
It's not just natural.
So Pastor Billy, you said that you dealt with this
in the church that you were in.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm sure you've learned since then,
but how do we identify this and keep it from happening?
Well, part of it is, this is it.
You got to maintain the scripture.
You keep preaching the scripture, all the scripture,
not saying that you got to speak on spiritual warfare
every week, but you got to hit it, right?
Just like Bible prophecy, right?
I'm not saying you got to do it every week,
but it makes up nearly one third of the Bible.
You got to hit it sometime.
So normally I think some of this stuff gets,
it comes out when you're preaching on it,
because the enemy doesn't want you to reveal
what's going on.
Some of it is, God will show you what you're dealing with
and you just got to deal with it.
And me personally, I was always trained
that when the enemy shows his head,
don't give him what he wants, right?
He wants to disrupt, and I'm talking in church services.
He wants to disrupt and he wants to take over
and he wants to be glorified.
And let me explain that because you might be like,
no way I'm going to glorify Satan.
Well, the word glorify means to give attention to.
So when we say, I glorify God, or I'm here to glorify God,
glorify God and all I do, it means to give attention to God.
Right?
So go back to that meaning.
When you can only think about the enemy,
when he grabs your attention and you can't shake it
or he grabs control of the service
and that's all you can think about,
you're glorifying him because that's where your attention's at.
And so the way I was trained was you see something,
you deal with it, immediately shut it down
and get back to getting your focus back on God.
I'll give you a case in point.
This one was early on when he came here to Vegas
and a demon possessed person came in, man,
in middle of services and it was a no-brainer, no-brainer.
I mean, I'm right, I'm preaching man right
when it's getting going and all of a sudden this person
stands up in the middle of congregation, profanity,
I mean just would at the top of their lungs.
So what do you do?
Did it happen?
No, deacons, please escort our guests out of the service
and immediately, and they're still doing it, whatever,
but I kid you not, within 10 seconds it was over,
I didn't bring attention to it,
I immediately got back to my study and pressed on
because the enemy wants to disrupt,
he wants you to glorify him and you just move on.
So some of it, you preach on it,
it's gonna rear its ugly head and if it does rear its head,
then you just deal with it effectively and biblically.
But again, it's pretty simple,
when you get in the scripture,
God tells you a lot about Satan, a lot of his tactics.
He wants to divide, he wants to destroy,
steal, kill and destroy, he's a deceiver, he's a liar.
So anywhere where you see a division,
where you see gossip and slander which causes division,
it's a no-brainer, John, these are not coming
from the spirit of God, right?
And so oftentimes, and part of it is just,
you just learn, right?
It's just like, I have a rule,
I mean, it could be just people sin nature,
but you can kind of sense it, right?
Not only when you got somebody in the room that,
okay, something's off, or what I call,
when things get really obtuse,
not just your normal, yippie yippie stuff like that,
but it's like, okay, this one's out of the, whoa,
that's usually a clue, okay, this is not normal.
This one is one of those ones, Ephesians 6,
and you better start looking at it spiritually.
So Pastor Billy, you mentioned,
we just talked about within the church,
but earlier you mentioned that it's all throughout society,
it's permeated through society,
and I know from the videos that I've watched,
you were doing a deep dive into Freemasons
and explaining the influence that they have
all throughout our society.
And honestly, it's something I've been interested in,
but I didn't even know where to begin.
So your sermon was great about that,
and I know I'll probably just put links to that,
but give us, kind of help us understand
what are the Freemasons and why are they
such an influential thing,
but behind the scenes at the same time?
Oh, okay, yeah, great question.
Well, first of all, if you've seen anything on YouTube,
learn to get off of YouTube, at least with our studies,
because we have so many that have been deleted,
hacked, and banned.
If you ever want to get everything that we do,
all the stuff that you're missing,
that they don't want you to see,
that's our teaching website, getalifemedia.com.
But basically the Freemasonry study,
I did a 10 part study on that,
and I didn't plan on this,
it's just the way it worked out, go figure.
That was the capstone of an occult study
I've been working on for several years.
I did 20 weeks on witchcraft, 16 weeks on Satanism,
30 weeks on what I called voodoo vampires
and rise of demon worship.
And so basically it ended up being 66 studies
on six books, go figure, okay.
So then I went from that occult study
into occult societies with Freemasonry being the first one.
And that ended up being a 10 part study,
you can get book DVDs or you can just watch it
on our website or download our app.
So, but basically that one, again, I was surprised,
you're right, a lot of people,
even Christians have heard of Freemasonry,
but that's about all it's gone.
And almost everybody has a story, well, yeah,
my grandfather, my uncle, or my dad,
or family member of this or used to be in it
or still is in it or whatever.
And they just think it's a good old boys club, no it's not.
It's in the cult secret society.
And this is what we expel.
And part of it too is it's not just in the world,
it's in the church.
And I bring up examples again
of not just experiencing occult behavior in the church,
but Freemasonry.
In fact, this was my very first senior pastorate
and my very first encounter with Freemasonry.
And what it was, I was four weeks in
and I was just doing a basic polemic study
at that time on Sunday
on the uniqueness of Christ and the cross, right?
As opposed to other religions on the planet,
you know, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam,
even, you know, Jehovah's Witnesses,
some of the pseudo Christian cults.
And, you know, nothing really deep dive,
just showing the uniqueness that in Christianity is unique,
right?
All of the religions say that you are God,
you gotta become God, you gotta work your way to God.
None of them have a cross, right?
Christianity is unique, I kid you.
So I get done with that sermon.
And the next thing, you know, I get a phone call
from one of the pillars of the church, their wives,
and said that quote, he so and so was upset
with what I preached on.
I said, well, why?
What was unbiblical about it?
And went on and on and said,
well, I think you just need to meet with them.
So I drove out to his house and he was a big guy
and he looked down on me the whole time.
And he's like a six foot six big old dude.
And he said, well, I don't think you should be talking
about other religions like that.
I said, well, why not?
Well, I just don't think it's right.
I don't, you know, it shouldn't do that.
I said, well, wait a second.
If in fact, Jesus is the only way,
I didn't say he did, John 14.6,
he's the way, the truth, the life.
No one comes to the Father except by me.
And that means every other path out there is a false path.
And it's not a small issue.
It's not just, oh, they didn't make it to heaven.
No, the Bible's clear.
If you don't go through Jesus, you go to hell.
So how am I a loving Christian, Mr. So-and-so?
If I don't tell people that all other paths are false
that will lead you to hell.
And if I don't share them the good news
that it is through Jesus Christ
and you can know for sure that you're on your way
to heaven through him.
And he just went round and round.
Of course, of course, I'm dealing with it biblically, right?
And went round and round.
And so he was getting nowhere.
And so I kid you not, John,
he looked down at me and he said,
and he pointed his finger in my face.
He says, listen, I've seen a lot of you come
and a lot of you go.
Turns out the guys are Freemason in the church.
I don't think he was the only one.
And a pillar in the church,
basically running the church behind the scenes.
And the reason why he rejected that
is because this is one of the many, many false,
unbiblical teachings of Freemasonry
that people need to wake up to.
They believe in a pluralistic deity.
They believe in universalism
that all paths will eventually get you.
They don't call it heaven.
They call it the grand lodge in the sky.
It's a works-based false gospel.
No different than trying to earn your way to heaven
as a Mormon or Jehovah's Witnesses
or all those other classic ones that we say,
oh yeah, yeah, that's obviously works-based false gospel.
Freemasonry is the same way.
That you have to be a good Mason.
You have to follow the teachings of Masonry
and do good things.
All these guys, you think about Shriners,
Shriners hospitals and all that stuff.
You think, oh, these are so altruistic.
No, they're doing that because they believe
they have to do these good deeds
in order to get to the grand lodge above.
And then speaking of Shriners,
see there's many different branches of Freemasonry.
Just like, and I use this loosely,
just like there's many different denominations
of Christianity, there's many different branches
of Freemasonry, right?
You got your Scottish Rite,
and these are just the ones in America.
You got your York Rite,
which eventually you can get into the Knights Templar.
And then you got your Prince Hall.
That's for the Black African community, Freemasonry.
You got Ladies Freemasonry, Youth Freemasonry.
But you also have the Shriners.
And the Shriners, the interesting thing about Shriners
is at one point as a Shriner, you have to,
and this is in print, it's on video,
it's not a conspiracy theory.
You have to pledge obedience and allegiance
to the God of Islam, Allah, and Muhammad as your prophet.
That's why they wear those red hats called a Fez.
The Fez, if you notice, has what on the front?
Islamic swords or crescent, it's exactly,
it's Islamic symbols.
And the reason why they're red, and they're called a Fez,
is because that was symbolic of a victory
of the Muslims slaughtering Christians in Fez, Morocco,
and they dipped their hats in the Christians blood.
How can you be a Christian
and be a part of something like this is beyond me.
But this is what we expose.
I'll give you another one.
A lot of people say, they try to give people
a benefit of that.
Well, yeah, I get it.
When you get up into the different degrees,
you know, upwards, you know,
you wanna make it to the 32nd, 33rd degree,
up to the very top, that's when they drop the bomb on you
that the spirit they're really worshiping is Lucifer.
No, you find out a lot earlier than that.
That's Miss Nomer number one.
But people say, well, they just went through
the first three degrees.
And they just thought, you know, this is a good old boys' club.
They do good works for the community.
And the way they suck people in is they will say,
hey man, you come, you know, and you gotta be invited.
They'll tap you on the shoulder,
including in the church service,
and say, hey, would you like to come to the lodge?
And so, but then they say, you know,
we'll help you with your business,
we'll help you with this or that or whatever.
And they do.
And so people think, oh, it's just a good boys' club.
It's good for business and whatever.
But people say, well, they only went through
the first three degrees.
They don't know about all this other Luciferian stuff
that's going on.
That's not true.
That's a huge Miss Nomer.
I couldn't wait to expose that one.
Because the first three degrees that you have to take,
and this is their words, not mine, bloody oaths, right?
And let's just deal with the first degree.
We only got to the third one.
The third one's what's called a master mason, right?
But this is the the the, uh, insert apprentice.
So you just, you're just starting out.
You tell me, John, if you're a Christian,
a true born again Christian,
and do all the Holy Spirit,
that at some point the Holy Spirit's not going to be screaming
at you to run, right?
So here it is, you get into the lodge
and the first thing they do is they blindfold you.
It's called a hoodwink.
So as in you get hoodwinked.
That's where we get that term from.
It's a Freemason term.
So they blindfold you.
And part of that is because you have to acknowledge
that everything that you've known in life so far
is darkness and now you're coming into the light,
the truth of Freemasonry.
Well, wait a second.
How can I profess that as a Christian?
I've got the light of Jesus Christ.
How can I, how can I walk away from that
and say that that's darkness?
But you would think the Holy Spirit would cause you to run
at that point, or you're just getting started.
Then they, you got to take your shirt off.
Okay, that's weird.
And then you got to all before, you got to bow before
an altar, okay?
Before a guy called the worshipful master.
Excuse me, I don't bow before anybody.
Then the one and only master,
the king of kings, the Lord of lords, Jesus Christ.
So what are you doing bowing before man?
Then here comes your bloody oath.
And you are bound before this worshipful master
before an altar.
They have a typically a sword at your chest
and you vow that you will never reveal the secrets
of free masonry and what you are about to be taught
and initiated into under the penalty of,
and you have to walk it through with them,
with your thumb, throat to throat,
that you can cut my throat from ear to ear,
cut out my tongue and disembowel me.
And you're supposed to be a Christian?
John, that's just a first degree.
Oh yeah, we haven't made it to 33 or none of that stuff
that you learn along the way.
In the seventh degree, you learn that they worship
a plural God called Jabulan, right?
Which includes Baal and the Egyptian God Osiris.
Oh, when you get to the 17th degree,
then they say, we've got the secret password
to get you into eternity.
I'm not making this up.
You know what it is?
I'll tell you the secret.
The secret password is Abaddon.
Wait a second, Abaddon, that's the name
that you see of the destroyer
and that came out of the Abusas,
the pit of hell that's unleashed on the planet
in the seven year tribulation.
And so that's the name that's gonna get me
to the Grand Lodge above, I gotta say Abaddon.
No, and you know what the sad thing is?
John, for every person who thinks that when they die
and then they're gonna say the word Abaddon,
you know what's gonna happen?
Yeah, you're not going to heaven.
You will see the destroyer.
You know what, it's just, and John on and on it goes.
And this is not a conspiracy.
And here's what's scary.
I expect that from the world.
I don't condone it, but that's what the enemy's been doing
ever since the birth of Christianity Acts chapter two.
Jesus Christ is the only way out of this mess.
And so what has he been doing?
Ever since then, he's inventing
as many different false paths as he can,
different religions, new religions, latest religion,
this, right?
And just to cloud the issue,
to hopefully get people off the one
and only way out of this mess.
Freemasonry is just another one.
And I, but I expect that from the world.
They don't know better.
They don't know Christ.
They don't have the Bible.
They're not born again.
The Bible says that the mind of the unspiritual man
cannot understand the spiritual things.
I get that.
John, what's alarming to me is this is in the church.
And I share in this study over and over again,
Freemasonry is allowed to do the rituals
that are completely unbiblical in church services,
to do their funerals and services.
Much of the church board are Freemasons,
including pastors and things that nature.
And I'm going, and John, we're just scraping the surface.
So what goes on in this occult secret society,
how can you be a Christian and allow this to happen?
And so my thing is this,
if you got these guys in charge of church,
you need to rise up as a church
and I'll just be blunt, you need to fire them.
They need to, and I tell people this all the time,
if you're professing to be a Christian,
you better repent, run and get right with God.
And if you refuse to leave, you're in a heap of trouble.
Yeah, Pastor Billy, I gotta ask you,
if people are sworn to secrecy under basically
vow of cutting off their throat,
cutting off their tongue and disemboweling them,
how are you getting this information?
Well, part of it is the Freemasons
who've been brave enough to come out.
They get saved and then they come out
and expose them and that's why we know.
In fact, what's interesting was due to modern technology
because a lot of people say,
oh, that's not what they do in there.
The lodge that I went to, it's Christian
because they had a Bible on that altar.
First of all, just because they have a Bible
doesn't mean they follow it.
Second of all, oftentimes their Bible,
for instance, the Oxford Freemason Bible,
at the back end has all this Egyptian symbolism and stuff
because that's what they merge them with their belief system.
That's not our Bible.
And then third, they're pluralistic.
You can go in there one week
and it might be the Christian Bible,
but then other week it might be the Hindu Vedas
or it might be the Quran.
Because again, they believe that whatever path you choose,
you just gotta believe in a Supreme being, right?
Doesn't have to be the one of the Bible.
So just because they have that, that doesn't mean anything.
But the problem is, they go into there
and they think that it's just not really that big.
You're exaggerating this.
This is just, you got this on wackyguy.org
or conspiracyguy.com.
No, modern technology.
We were able to get actual footage
with a guy who snuck in there with his phone
and recorded the rituals, John.
We got it on tape, man.
This is not a joke.
It's not a game.
This is really what's going on.
And so it's basically Freemasons who've come out.
Most of them, God say, praise God,
but they're revealing to people
what is really going on behind closed doors.
And the reason why they get away with it is twofold.
Number one, hello, it's a secret society.
My definition is secret.
So they're not touting it from the horns.
So we only can rely upon those that can sneak in
and get it back to us or those that were a part of it
and got saved and come out and spill the beans.
Yeah.
So there's a lot of questions I have on that.
And I know we can spend a lot of time debating this,
but what influence do they have in society,
or not debating it,
I don't want to debate anything like that.
I just want to learn more about it,
but what influence does this have in society as a whole?
I know Washington, DC is filled with the symbology of that.
And what do we as Christians do about this?
Well, great question.
That's how we actually ended our study
on the last three studies.
We dealt with, all right, where are these guys at?
And how are they getting away with this?
And so I just broke it down into many different categories.
You got free masonry throughout Hollywood, right?
Probably one of the best advertisements that they've had
to recruit people in a long time
was the National Treasure series, huge.
Disney just did a reboot with that
with a modern millennial version, right?
But it just encourages people to,
oh, this is a cool eclectic society, no.
And so Hollywood's in it, music industry is in it,
we expose that, especially because we had the two studies
just on the symbolism in free masonry,
explaining what those symbols mean.
And then when you see what symbols are in free masonry,
you see them everywhere,
Hollywood, the music industry, the whole nine yards.
They tell you who they're working for.
But I got into the politics,
past presidents of our country,
indisputable, full on free masonry.
And again, the danger with this is you're talking about
people that were also on our Supreme courts,
judges and things of that nature.
And Jong, you gotta keep in mind that, again,
when a person becomes a free mason,
they pledge their allegiance, number one, solely,
to free masonry.
And that means it comes first.
And you pledge yourself to quote,
protecting the brotherhood, other free masons.
And this goes back to their secret hand signals,
hand signs, hand in the vest,
stand square, the particular stances and things,
secret handshakes on the knuckle and all that stuff.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
This is how they identify themselves out in public
in secret, because this is a secret society.
So I'll give you a case in point.
We demonstrated this still goes on.
Have you ever wondered, you got some people
that do these dirty deeds, these horrible crimes,
and you're going, that guy's going,
he's going up river for a long time.
Next thing you know, he gets off the hook.
What's going on there?
Jong, this is how the system works.
Free masonry, their beliefs is supersedes everything,
including the constitution, the bill of rights,
and the law of the land.
So give you a case in point.
If you had a freemason judge,
and then you were a freemason who's been brought to court,
you don't have to say a word.
You give them the sign, you give them the distress signal,
the way that you stand, right?
And then he is bound by the bloody oaths of freemasonry.
He has to do everything in his power
to let that brother go.
This is the danger of this stuff.
So our laws and our country think they're being perverted
with these guys.
Plus their agenda is not God's agenda.
Their agenda is not what our founding fathers had
with the biblical Judeo-Christian ethic and things of that nature.
So there's a conflict that's going on.
But again, we expose how they've warmed their way in
even into the military and things of that nature.
I already mentioned women's groups, youth groups, whatever,
but they're all over.
And so the biggest thing is, how can you say,
well, what do we do?
Well, we get the truth out, right?
As Paul says, it's referring to the gospel.
How beautiful are the feet of those that bring the good news, right?
How can they know unless somebody tells them?
Well, how can people know what they're up against
in order to fight this battle?
If you don't even know you're in the battle at first place,
and second of all, who am I battling against?
And then third, where are they at?
And so it's the truth, John.
We get the truth out.
We expose the dirty deeds of darkness, right?
And so that people could wake up and go like,
oh, I had no clue that that's what Freemasonry is, teaches,
how antithetical it is to everything as a Christian.
Whoa, I didn't know that it was not just on the outside.
Whoa, now I can see it's on the inside of the church
so you can clean the church up, number one.
Number two, then it's on the outside.
Oh, then we need to clean up what's going on in our country.
And that's how you do it.
John, there's more of us than there is them,
but they get away with it because people, again,
back to the beginning, they don't want to study the whole of the Bible.
Now you say that as a Christian because you're supposed to say that.
That sounds spiritual, right?
You don't say, hey, I'm only going to study what I want to hear, right?
Which actually is a Bible prophecy sign real quick.
Paul told Timothy, he says, how do you know your last days?
Hey, don't just look at Matthew 24.
Jesus said, you're going to see false Christ, false prophets,
false teachers, wars, rumors of wars, families, pestilence,
increase of all that stuff, earthquakes.
And we're seeing that.
Paul says, watch this, when you see this in the church in the last days,
he said the church is going to gather around themselves a plethora.
It's in the Greek, it's a pile, a pile of teachers who will tickle their ears
and they'll turn away from the truth and they'll turn aside to myths.
And I'm going like tickle your ears.
What's that?
So I looked it up in the Greek way back and it's Keneppo and it means
to desire only that which is pleasant.
And Muthas is where we get the word myth or like stories made up.
So basically Paul says, yeah, look in the world when you see wars,
rumors of world, Jesus saying this, families, pestilence, increase.
That's a sign you're in the last days.
But Paul says, now, don't just look at the world, look at the church.
And when you see in the church, basically all you get is pleasant things
and stories made up, you're in the last days.
So this is what's going on.
The people don't, they're being duped.
They're not being taught the whole counsel of God.
So they don't even know what to look for.
What do you do?
You preach the truth, right?
And to say this, this is the light, John, right?
And you want to get rid of the darkness?
You bring on the light.
You teach the truth, which is the light of Christ.
And then each individual Christian goes and shares the light of that truth.
That's how you dispel darkness.
You go into a dark room.
It's a dark room.
Well, oh no, I'm just going to sit there and go like, I can't get rid of this.
I'm clueless.
I have no idea what to, what do I do?
Go turn the light on.
And you don't just turn the light on as soon as you turn the light on,
what happens to the darkness?
It goes away.
That's what we need to get back to as Christians, to preach the whole counsel of God,
get Christians equipped on the light of Jesus Christ,
get out there and be the salt and the light.
Okay.
And then we would see all this darkness flee that fast.
That's it. I'm not trying to oversimplify, but John, that's the answer right there.
You expose it with the light of the truth of God's word and instantly the darkness flees.
Wow.
Pastor Billy, would you pray for the people that have been watching this and they're like,
I need to do something based on what Pastor Billy has said and just help them could just pray for them to have discernment that's a turn that light on.
Yeah.
Father, we just thank you so much for our time today.
We thank you most importantly for Jesus.
Thank you for saving us through him, giving us the gift of eternal life through him.
And God, if there's anybody that's tuning in, that's not truly born again.
Maybe they're going to a church service, but that doesn't save you.
Or maybe they were like me, would never step foot in a church service, but they're interested and they want to know the truth.
And maybe you're tugging at their heart.
God, would you cause them to be obedient and be blessed even right where they're at God right now that they would cry out to you, Jesus and ask you to forgive another sins.
You tell us that you are holy that we are not, but the good news is through Jesus Christ, we can be saved and forgiven completely of all of our sins and made into a new creation in you.
God, would you please draw them to you?
May that take place even now.
And God, for we your church, those of us that are born again, maybe we've been one of those lackadaisical Christians.
Maybe we were the ones that only wanted our ears tickled, but we're starting to be convicted to realize, no, we need to know all the truth.
And the problem isn't with the darkness encroaching, the problem is with us not declaring your light.
So God raises up in these last days as a mighty equipped army in the light of your truth that we would work together as your people and dispel back the darkness until you come home and get us.
That's how we need to finish, finish strong, not fearful, finish faithful as the bride of Christ until that glorious day, which could happen very soon.
When we get to go be with you forever.
But God, please do a great work.
It's not by chance that people are watching and listening.
And so God, please bear much fruit, which we know is your will.
We ask all this in your powerful name in Jesus name.
Amen.
Pastor Billy Crone, I know that we're going to have to do more discussions with you about spiritual warfare, about the demonic in society.
And I see a book behind you about aliens even so there's more that we can talk about.
Yeah.
But I just appreciate you taking this time today to do what we've done so far.
So thank you so much for being here on Charisma.
Yeah.
Hey anytime, John.
Thank you.