The word dunamis is in the Bible 24 times.
And I'm looking for a year of signs, miracles and wonders, dunamis power.
Troy Brewer, it's great to have you on Charisma News to be able to talk about what God is
saying for the year 2024.
And I know that you are the numbers guy.
You've got numbers that preach and that is a book that is really one of the things that
you're kind of known by.
And so whenever I think about numbers and the Bible, Troy Brewer is somebody that I
want to get to know what God's speaking to you through this.
So we're heading into the year 2024.
What is God saying to you, brother?
Well it's a lot, John, and thank you so much for having me here.
I love the Charisma family and I'm so grateful.
Thank you sir for the opportunity.
Well okay, so you know whenever you look at the calendar you can look at are you going
to look at it from the Hebrew calendar perspective or are you going to look at it through the
Gregorian calendar perspective?
And what I say is God gave us two eyes and I think it's important to look through both
lenses.
And if I go back and if I could just go back in time a little bit, tell you John, I've
been looking forward to this year for a long, long, long time to come because over the past
30 years of me seeking the Lord concerning the years to come, God's always given me a
word for years and years and years ahead.
Like he told me way back in 1986, he told me, keep your eye on 2020.
And like I have been doing a study on 2020 all the way up until 2020.
2016, 2020 and 2024 were huge on my prophetic calendars as everything changes.
And 2016 everything did change, 2020 everything changed and I really believe that everything's
going to change again in the year 2024.
As a matter of fact, I think that you have to, well to be very honest, I've never got
a word past 2024 and it's been something that me and my teens have been talking about for
30 years.
You got anything for 2025 or 2026?
And I'm like, I don't.
And I thought, well, maybe I want to go see the Lord.
I don't know.
You know, why wouldn't God give me a word for anything into 2024 or past 2024?
And this last year, I really understood it.
And it says you have to have a new year for this new year.
God is literally introducing new voices.
We know that his word never ever, ever changes, but his voice absolutely changes and his voice
is changing in a very, very dramatic way.
I think that God is literally, this is like a year of the Malchus miracle, you know, where
the Lord literally made a new year.
He had his ear chopped off in the garden and then God and King Jesus himself literally
had to place an ear on him.
And then of course we know that John would say, and his name is Malchus, meaning he was
known later on and he was known among the Greeks.
And so I think that God has given us a new year.
And I think that if we're going to look into the year 2024, I think that we have to understand
that 5784 on the Hebrew calendar is the year of the open door and that that overlays with
2024 in a tremendous way.
And I'd like to take you through it.
So are you ready to go?
Absolutely.
Let's do it.
And I like how what 5784 is the year of the open door.
And that's the name that God gave you for your church in Texas.
So it's the open door experience.
So I think that's a really cool thing for you guys.
Thanks.
Yeah.
I'm very happy that it's the year of the open door because I am the pastor of open door
church.
But if you go back, if you look at the 84th verse of the Old Testament, it's literally
able at the altar.
And the Lord told me that this is going to be a year of the altered state, that we have
to learn how to live at the altar in the midst of the altered state.
And then if you look at the 84th verse of the New Testament, it is Matthew 420.
And it says that immediately they left their nets and they followed him.
So we have always been people that are asking God for sudden lease.
God is asking us for immediate lease.
I need you to drop what you're doing and get with the new program.
And so I preached that all throughout the year going into 5784.
And then of course, the 57, the 5,784th verse, John is a game changer.
It's Deuteronomy 32 verse 25.
And it actually describes the events that happened on October the 7th in Israel.
And it says in the street, the sword will make them childless in their homes.
Terror will reign.
The young men and the young women shall perish and the infants and those with gray hair.
Now that is a perfect description for October 7th and the Hamas terrorist attack.
And that is a 5784 verse.
Now going into the year 2024, the overlay of that is this.
The number 24 is a number that's related to priesthood.
And it's a number that is related to the encirclement of God's camp or the throne of Jesus himself
being in the midst of people.
So how is that?
Well, the word lamb appears in the book of Revelation exactly 24 times.
And it's always associated with the throne of Jesus.
Revelation 513, and I heard every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth and under
the sea, all of them saying to him who sits upon the throne and the lamb be blessing and
honor and glory and might forever and ever.
So there's 24 lambs in the book of Revelation attached to the throne.
And then there's 24 elders that also surround the throne.
So what we find is the theme in the word of God prophetically with the number 24 many
times is associated with a throne room scene.
So the judgment of God is a big deal.
The authority of the Lord is a big deal.
Worship is extremely big.
John, the number 12 is a number that represents perfect government.
So we have a 12 and a 12, which equals 24.
And it has to do with the manifold government of God with King Jesus himself seated upon
the throne.
So I was looking this up this morning knowing I was going to talk to you.
And I just thought, I need to look up the word judge.
And I found that the word judge is found 24 times in the New Testament.
So there you have Jesus, the righteous judge.
And I have to tell you before we go any further with this, brother, God was not caught by
surprise on October the 7th and how it changed the world.
It literally changed the world.
I want to tell you, he saw every single bit of that and he still sees today.
It is so important that you and I as people of God, that we remain kingdom people, that
we remain loyal, that we remain faithful and that Jesus is in fact our King.
So in 2024, John, we see that God is judging from his throne and those who have passed
the tests, so important that we pass the test.
God is literally handing out to the faithful, to the loyal.
He's handing out supernatural blessings, commands, permissions and upgraded authority for the
time to come.
The Lord is literally upgrading people that have qualified.
And I think that just since 2020, man, we've had to qualify for some things.
We've had to decide to be loyal.
We've had to be faithful to get through some things.
And I see God Almighty bringing tremendous upgrade in the year 2024 and it's all connected
with his throne.
It's fascinating, isn't it?
Yeah, it's really fascinating.
I love how God speaks to you through these numbers.
And I know that there's more to meets the eye than just the words that are on the paper
in the Bible.
And in the Hebrew language, and I believe in Greek too, like each letter, I know in
Hebrew, each letter also represents a number.
And so there is important things that are connected with that.
Yeah, in the Greek language, actually with their alphabet, there's 24 letters in the
Greek alphabet.
And yes, every single letter also represents a number.
The same as in the Hebrew language, every single letter also represents a number.
And of course, it also represents a prophetic sign.
And the prophetic sign for the four, for the 5784 or for the year 2024, the prophetic sign
for the four is an open door.
And I think that that's what we're talking about because what we see is we see that we're
moving from 2023 into 2024.
And just exactly like that, we're moving from Psalms 23 into Psalms 24.
And Psalms 24 is all about open doors in heaven.
It's all about lift up your heads, you heavenly gates, who is the king of glory, right?
It's about going through the valley of the shadow of death and seeing God Almighty arise
in a tremendous way.
I think that that's a big part of it as well.
I was looking at this morning as well, I was looking at, you know, in the heavens, there
is a star in the heavens that God Almighty placed there within our firmament that's in
Ursa Minor or the Little Dipper.
And it's the number 24.
And it's actually numbered as 24.
It's 24 Ursa Minor.
It's the closest star that there is to the North Star, the polar star.
And the North Star or the polar star represents the throne of Jesus.
Everything circles it saying, holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty who was and
who is and who is yet to come.
It's the 50th brightest star.
And 50 means Jubilee.
That means that you're set free if you can be on the throne.
It's the North Star.
If you ever find it, you're never lost again, right?
So all that is themes of the throne of King Jesus placed within God's creation.
I think that this prophetically speaks of the judgment of Jesus for his redeemed people
to be set free in the year 2024.
Watch a great move of God take place in 2024 where addictions fall off.
Watch a great move of God in 2024 where there's a revival against pornography, where men are
no longer bound by that kind of sexual sin.
Watch there be a big sweep and a big move of God as far as setting people set free this
next year.
Wow.
Yep.
That freedom is really important.
I mean, because if we can get our people, God's people walking in freedom, then we're going
to be a good example for people that are yet to become into God's kingdom, yet to know
Jesus because if we're walking in freedom, those that are in bondage see freedom and
they want it.
And so that's going to help a lot of people come into that revival.
You know, I can see that when we see the number 24 and looking into the year 2024, that when
God likes to encircle things, he likes to stamp the number four on it.
So we can see like the throne has 24 elders around it.
There's 24 hours in a day.
The world has 24,000 miles around it and it has to do with being encircled.
I shall be a wall of fire around you and I will also be the glory in the midst of you.
I think that the Lord really wants to burn bright in the midst of us this year.
And our role is to make sure that Jesus is sitting on the throne of our own hearts more
than ever, ever, ever before.
It also speaks of global impact, right?
It speaks of global sanctions, global mandates, warfare on a global basis, all those things.
Everything that we're looking at now is worldwide, everything.
And I think more than anything, Brother John, I think more than anything, I think that this
next year, the big, huge theme, one of the prophetic, you know, I have a small layer,
somebody else has a small layer, you know, we all prophesy in part, but the midnight
hour is a tremendous theme for me.
It's the 24, the midnight hour.
And I think that we have to learn how to live like we are actually living in the end times,
looking unto Jesus, walking in the fear of the Lord, us being so sold out toward the
imminent and the glorious return of the Lord Jesus Christ and understand that our redemption
is actually drawn nigh.
So I was looking up words that have to do with, you know, 24, right?
Has to do with final hour.
Did you know that the word watchful is in the Bible?
Be ye watchful 24 times.
I was like, Oh yeah, what about this?
The word redemption is in the Bible 24 times.
Like are you kidding me?
Like, no, the word, I'm sorry, the word repentance.
So that the command repent and be watchful.
The word repentance is in the Bible 24 times and the word and the word be watchful is in
the Bible 24 times.
This is a year that God's going to speak so strongly about his imminent and his glorious
return and he's looking for people who are looking for him.
We have to learn how to live like that.
The Lord showed me the enemy is no longer interested in merely coming through the gates.
He wants to burn them down completely.
I love that how the Lord can speak through many people the same thing and then speak
different things through each of us.
I want to highlight one thing quickly.
Now some years ago Chuck Pierce began to prophesy about the new watchman movement rising and
you know, I jumped in on that.
That's been one of the calls on my life is the watchman anointing and began to write
and teach on that.
I was in prayer a few weeks ago and I was reading the book of Nehemiah.
I always ask the Lord what do you want me to read?
He said read the book of Nehemiah and in one chapter three times it says the enemy burned
down the gates and I said oh Lord, he said the enemy is trying to burn down the gates.
Now in ancient times this was literal but now the Lord is speaking symbolically, figuratively.
The enemy is targeting gates at all levels of society.
It's not just borders, it's the seven mountains and this is not a new strategy clearly but
it is escalated because the Lord showed me the enemy is no longer interested in merely
coming through the gates.
He wants to burn them down completely so there's no resistance to his plans.
If he can burn down the gates he can come in like a flood.
Now we know the Lord will raise up a standard as the intercessors pray but we need to understand
not just what the Lord wants to do but how the enemy is moving against God's will so
that we're positioned rightly for this era of war.
The enemy wants to dominate, he wants to change the times and the laws, he wants to see idolatry
and immorality prevail in cities and nations, God wants to bring revival.
So the kingdom of God suffered violence, the violent take it by force but the answer here
is twofold.
The church in general must remember, we must remember that the gates of hell cannot prevail
against the church.
We must not allow the spiritual pressure that we're feeling.
I know many leaders, many believers are feeling great pressure and the enemy wants to take
that pressure and turn it into oppression so that we won't release our voice in prayer
so that we won't speak to that mountain, so that we won't stand in the gap, so we won't
make up the hedge.
He wants us to lay down our weapons especially with regard to the gates.
It's a critical time at the gates because the gates are what?
The point of enemy attack because that's the seat of authority.
The gates are where judges and officers administrate justice.
We're looking at the Bible here.
The gates are where conspiracies are plotted.
The gates are where councils are held.
The gates are where prophets proclaimed the messages of God.
Catch that.
The gates are where the prophets proclaimed the messages of God so the enemy wants to
burn down the gates.
Now here's the strategy.
Watchmen must partner with gatekeepers at a higher level.
We've seen for many years the watchmen on the wall, the gatekeepers guarding access.
We need a new level of cooperation, sharing of prophetic intelligence, praying together
between the watchman intercessors, the watchman prophets, and the gatekeeper intercessors.
The gatekeeper intercessors must be alerted.
See the watchman, you know this, the watchman see from far off.
The gatekeeper has a different perspective because the gatekeeper job is to guard the
gates.
So we need the watchman and the gatekeepers to really connect with one another.
We don't need to be in silos.
You don't need to be in our little camps, our little flows, our little streams.
We must as we're doing here today come together with different perspectives, different understanding
of different cultures, different nations, different types of warfare, different streams
of prayer, and we must begin to release the gatekeepers over these closed gates to quench
the fiery darts of the enemy.
And it's the combination of the watchkeeper and the watchman and the gatekeepers through
the avenue of worship and prayer that's going to prevent the enemy from burning down these
gates.
He's not going to prevail.
I decreed in the name of Jesus.
I declared that the watchman and the gatekeepers are going to rise up.
They're going to share intelligence.
They're going to pray without ceasing.
We're going to walk in humility.
And I say in the name of Jesus, the mountains will move, the gates will be secured, and
we shall prevail because we are a victorious church in Jesus name.
So there's a real separation that's been happening.
What's going to happen is these two simultaneous revolutions at once, kind of everything coming
to a head.
It's just like if you're watching a movie and it's the action packed part of the movie.
It's the climax of the movie.
That's where I feel like we're at.
Todd Coconato, it's great to have you here on Charisma News to share what God is speaking
to you about the year 2024 and what we need to be prepared for in this upcoming year.
So welcome here to Charisma News.
Hey, John, it's great to be back with you.
Yeah.
Thanks so much for joining us here.
And I know that God has been speaking to you.
We actually tried to do this earlier, but some things came up and we weren't able to
record at that point.
But we've been talking and God is definitely speaking a lot of different things right now.
So what is God speaking to you in preparation for 2024?
Yeah, it's interesting.
So he's given me this term, two simultaneous revolutions.
And so it's similar to what some other prophetic voices are speaking about.
I've heard some of my friends say there's going to be a war and a roar in 24.
And so this kind of goes along the same lines of there's two simultaneous revolutions.
So what I mean by that is we're going to continue to see increased turbulence.
There's going to be a much more bumpy ride this next year.
And we should anticipate that.
But at the same time, the saints that are what I call remnant people, people that hunger
and thirst for righteousness, the body of Christ, the real ecclesiast of the body,
they have been strengthened and fortified in their faith over the last few years.
Because of some of the crazy things that we've been through, I think that God has allowed
this time for us to really go into the secret place and get deeper in his word.
Because otherwise you couldn't make it.
We've got to have a strong walk with the Lord and be unshakable.
And so I believe that the church, those that are truly Christians that really love the
Lord and are serving him have been fortified and strengthened.
So as there's this turbulent ride where we're going to see unrest and all different types
of things, and I think we'll go through some of those that the Lord has shown me specifically.
But I believe that while that's happening, we're going to see a Jesus revolution.
We're going to see increased revival, awakening happening where people are hungry.
They're coming to know Jesus.
We're already seeing pockets of revival.
We've seen this now for the last few years.
And I think those different streams are starting to come together.
And listen, this isn't about somebody's name.
It's not about a particular ministry.
It's not about a particular church.
It's about those that understand that the dower that we're in, that discern, that have
the isekar anointing of understanding and discerning the times.
We realize the hour is extremely late.
And so we need to be about the business of the Lord.
And so there's a real separation that's been happening.
And what's going to happen is these two simultaneous revolutions at once, kind of everything coming
to a head.
It's almost like if you're watching a movie and it's the action packed part of the movie,
it's the climax of the movie.
That's where I feel like we're at.
So you said there's two simultaneous revolutions that are happening.
OK, are they both in the same general direction or is one good and one's bad?
How do we deal with this?
Because I know if we're looking at the weather map, you've got like a low pressure system
and a high pressure system.
And what happens in the middle is if you get too many of those, actually, you actually
get tornadoes and a lot of storms.
So how do we prepare for the storm if one's going to be a good thing and one's going to
be a bad thing?
It's like that old saying, the best of times and the worst of times at the same time.
But what it is is you're right.
It's two different fronts.
So one is good and one is bad.
And it's kind of like Mount Carmel where they're coming together here and the prophets of God
versus the prophets of Baal.
This is a time where we can't be on the fence.
We can't be fence sitting.
We have to pick a side, lighter darkness.
You have to be all in if you're in the Lord.
And no compromise, no leaven.
I think this is a time we really consecrate.
We've talked about that in past interviews, but consecration, holiness, restoring the
foundations of our faith.
This isn't like a greasy grace season.
This isn't a time where it's like a wide gate strategy.
This is for the people that are serious about their walk.
And so the Lord showed me an example of a plane and he's the pilot.
We're going through some extreme turbulence, but we're going to be okay.
The plane's not going to crash, but be prepared because it's going to get bumpy.
And that's what's going to happen in 24.
There's going to be a lot of folks trying to pull a lot of things, especially in the
political arena.
I mean, we've already seen the last few days now, states are trying to get Donald Trump
off the ballot.
Look what's happening in Colorado.
I think we're going to see more of these types of things.
We're seeing increased persecution of people that are speaking truth.
They're coming after folks in ways that we haven't seen in the past here in the Western
world.
I mean, look at what happened with Rudy Giuliani or any of these guys that spoke out during
the 2020 election.
They're now being targeted.
You got the folks that were down there in January six that are basically being held
without due process.
A lot of these guys have been in jail for a long period of time.
So I mean, this is an increase in all of these areas.
And so it's the spirit of the Antichrist, which is really rising in this late hour.
And we've always known that the target is Bible believing Christians.
It's the church.
And so in the past, this was a little bit more hidden.
We kind of thought maybe left versus right, or it's a political issue, but this is definitely
a spiritual matter that's coming to a head.
So to your point, tornadoes in the spirit.
I mean, that's kind of what's happening as a result, but we, as the body of Christ, we
need to be fortified in the word.
We need to be trusting in our faith in Jesus Christ more than ever.
He is the author and finisher.
He says to occupy until he comes.
He says he's with us until the end of the age.
He says he'll never leave us.
He'll never forsake us.
And so we're on mission right now.
But if you're a believer in this hour, it's no mistake.
It's not a mistake that we're alive in this time.
And so our job is to be in the presence of the Lord, to be focused on the mission that
he's given us, which is about souls and kingdom business.
And we can't be moved by all these different things because we've got to be prepared.
I mean, I think that there's a movie that just came out, John.
I don't know if you saw this.
It's a Netflix.
I don't have Netflix, but I saw it on somebody, one of my friends' accounts, but they have
this movie that Obama and his wife produced.
Did you hear about this?
No, I haven't.
It's crazy.
It's something about Leave the World Behind or something along those lines, I think the
name of it is.
But what it is, it's a movie that's produced by Obama and his wife.
And basically, it's showing a large scale cyber event that happened here in the United
States.
And when I see these types of things, I think about Event 201 that happened pre-pandemic.
And I'm not going to get too into that because I don't want to get kicked off the street.
But the deal is that I feel like they signal sometimes their wicked agenda or their plans.
And so what we can do when we see these types of things is we can pray against the wicked
agenda.
We can pray against the plans.
And so it seems like, I mean, even if you look at Klaus Schwab, the World Economic Forum,
they've talked about a cyber Pearl Harbor type event where it would be a major catastrophe.
And what's interesting about that is we know that they're also building up to digital currencies
and different things that they have coming down the pike.
We have the FedNow app and the digital dollar that's being rolled out.
These are very real things.
So how could they advance something like that?
Well, if there was a major event, that would be a way that they could really quick advance
that.
And so we know that the enemy has plans, but we also know that the Lord is alerting spiritual
intercessors, Christians that are prayer warriors to intercede and pray against these plans
of the enemy.
And I think a lot of times that's why he gives us a prophetic warning so that we can pray
against these things.
So I think these are some of their plans.
Another thing that I think that they could potentially do is replace Joe Biden.
We know that you got Michelle Obama that the many on the left would love to see up there.
You got Gavin Newsom, who's positioning himself, even debating guys like Ron DeSantis and things
like that.
So there's a lot of things in the works, John.
And so we just need to be aware of these.
There's a lot of things that are going on right now, but I've been doing several interviews
with people about what God is saying about 2024.
But I'm kind of noticing a common thread, and I just want to kind of compare this with
you.
Things are going to get worse, but for the people of God, we know where our hope is found.
And because our hope is found in Christ, we're not going to be harmed.
Things around us might be in turmoil, but we are going to rise above.
That seems to be a common thread that we can kind of hold onto.
As dark as things might be, our hope needs to remain in Jesus Christ, not even in a prophetic
word that somebody gave, but our hope needs to be in Jesus Christ.
That's exactly right.
And in fact, we can't rely on somebody else's prophetic word or things like that.
We have to hear from the Lord.
We have to be in prayer regularly.
We got to have a regular prayer life.
I'm talking every day in the Word of God, worshiping the Lord and hearing from Him.
The Bible says, my sheep hear my voice.
And to your point, I do believe that there is a protection that's offered to the saints
of God, those that are about the business of the Lord.
And the way that works is, I mean, if you think about it, even in this former Soviet
Union or in the underground church in China, the underground church is thriving right now
in China.
In fact, there's revival that's happening.
People won't hear about it on the mainstream corporate media, but this is happening right
now.
And these folks are probably more on fire than most Western Christians because they
know what desperation is.
And yet they also know how to seek the face of the Lord and be in His presence.
And if you think about it, I mean, that's what Paul was able to effectively do.
You know, David encouraged themselves in Christ.
This is what we're going to need to learn how to do is encourage ourselves in Christ.
And remember, we're citizens of heaven.
We're in the world, but we're not of the world.
And so what I believe firmly to your point is that when we focus our, instead of when
we wake up, say, Lord, what can you do for me?
Can I get this thing?
Can I get that thing?
Can you answer this prayer?
What if we align ourselves with the spirit of God and say, Lord, what can I do for you?
How can I show up best to serve you today?
What can I do today to have divine appointments and be about your business?
When this happens, the favor of the Lord is on us.
The blessing of the Lord is on us.
Financially, we'll be taken care of it because if you make it about souls and kingdom business,
the Lord, you can't out give God.
He's going to make a way where there is no way.
And I know this because we've seen it in the ministry for years now, even in 2008 during
the major crash in the economy at that time.
I mean, we prospered because we continue to be about the business of the Lord.
And so I just really believe that God's hand in favor is on those, but we've got to get
rid of vain imaginations.
We've got to get rid of, you know, motives that are not of the Lord.
We can't compare ourselves to others.
You've got to walk out our calling and just be faithful.
These are things that are necessary and they are normal because the devil is always going
to push back against what the kingdom of heaven is doing.
What is God saying to you about this next season of twenty twenty four?
Yeah.
So back on November 4th, oftentimes I'll hear from the Lord when I'm in just a worship session,
you know, like I'll just be spending time with the Lord, either reading the word, worshiping
or praying.
And I began to receive this word that is relatively long, like the Lord just begin to it's like
he began to download this.
And I began to write down as I was listening, part of it is a word of knowledge about a
strange event happening in the political arena, actually here in the United States, I believe.
And then the other half of it is what I would call an encouragement for the body of Christ.
And in this word, the Lord talks about he kind of gives us a little bit of a warning
about things that are coming.
And so I believe the Lord is addressing this ahead of time, because, you know, like Jesus
said, your father knows what you need before you even ask.
Well, you know, if you look at all of scripture, you can actually take it a step further and
say, God knows what we need before it even becomes a need, you know, before we even know
it's a need, like, and especially before we ask, like, God knows what's coming ahead of
time.
We see that time and time again, with the Israelites in the Old Testament, that God
knew what was coming.
And he already he had already like set up a plan of events.
And so I believe that's what God is doing with this word is saying, hey, this is something
that my people need to hear ahead of time, because of what's coming.
So what I heard specifically was I heard the Lord say you're entering a season of renewal.
And then I heard this phrase renewal of the saints.
I believe God is speaking to believers, those who have put their trust in Jesus as their
Lord and Savior.
And he's saying there's a season of renewal coming.
And this is the next thing I heard.
And at first, I did not understand it until I googled the definition of this word.
But I heard the phrase a precious element, a precious structure, the church body.
And then I heard the Lord say she is precious to me.
She's my bride, a structure I oversee and watch over in every way.
I oversee the changes happening within my church.
I oversee and protect what's mine.
So I believe God is fighting against this idea.
And this is something I was praying earlier today.
And I just got this sense from the Lord that this is something that many believers are
potentially struggling with right now and are going to be struggling with in 2024.
Is this question of and this kind of fear of like what is happening to the church, what's
happening to the body of Christ?
Or it's like this fear of the church running haywire or just things being out of control.
And I believe God is addressing this.
And he's saying, hey, take a step back and look at it from the big picture perspective.
This is a vessel that I have my hands on and I'm not going to let things run out of control.
I'm not going to like things are not just running the course.
Like I am making I'm protecting my body is what the Lord is saying here.
But he uses this phrase a precious element.
And he's talking about the church.
So I looked up that term element and the definition.
One definition is a group of people of a particular kind within a larger group or organization.
I believe God is talking about what I would call the remnant from scripture.
But the remnant, as far as I can see in scripture, is basically just those inside of the church
organization who actually know the Lord.
Because the church itself, like if you looked at historically speaking, it's like there's
an organization there, yet not everyone that steps inside of a church is an actual believer.
And so it's like there is God knows whose are his.
Not every Christian worship artist that puts the word Christian in front of their album
is technically a Christian.
It really comes down to do they know the Lord or not.
And here's the other definition.
The other thing I found was this word element here.
It said in church use the bread and wine of the Eucharist.
So what we would call communion.
It's like the what does the pastor usually say?
Like, OK, take the elements in your hand, right?
You've got the juice and you've got the wafer.
Like you're taking the element.
Jesus.
So this is what Jesus said.
OK, I'm going to read this and I'm going to move on to the next part of this word that
I heard.
Luke 22, 19 through 20, he says, it says, And when he had taken some bread and given
thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, This is my body which is being given for you.
Do this in remembrance of me.
And the same way he took the cup after they had eaten, saying, This cup, which is poured
out for you, is the new covenant in my blood.
So there's two things here.
Number one is if a renewal of the saints is going to happen in 2024, we need to number
one, do things in remembrance of Christ.
You know, obviously, taking communion is amazing, but that's not all that God is talking about
here.
But he says, Do this in remembrance of me.
So we need to look back and remember what Jesus has done for us.
But then also, he says, This, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in my blood.
So we need to make sure that we're operating under the new covenant.
See, the devil is coming against the body of Christ right now.
And the devil doesn't have to get true believers to go outside of the covenant, you know, to
technically go outside of the covenant.
He just has to get us to go back to an old covenant to throw us off track.
You know, but when we look in the scripture, we see that what Jesus did for us was the
ushering in of a new covenant.
And I believe that the Holy Spirit is issuing this warning to the body because he's reminding
us, hey, the new covenant is better.
You know, it says that God is this is a better covenant built on better promises.
So I'm going to go through this word, I'm going to keep reading this prophetic word.
And I believe that we're going to see we're going to see some of this language here.
But I heard the Lord say I'm coming to get her.
And he's talking about the bride here.
But until that day, I'm changing her to look more like me.
So I don't believe this is a rapture date, you know, like for 2024 or something like
that.
But the Lord is saying there's something that's supposed to be happening, you know, until
the Lord returns.
And he says, my motives, my heart, my victories, my servant minded attitude, I want what's
actually right for her, not what she thinks is right.
So we're in this process of sanctification through the power of the Holy Spirit.
But it's a transformation, you know, where when Jesus looks at his bride, he looks at
the finished work, right?
He looks at this perfect representation of who he designed us and created us to be.
And what's amazing, John, is when Jesus looks at us, that's what he sees.
Those who believe in him.
I mean, he sees us as righteous and he sees us exactly the way he designed us to be, you
know, and he doesn't even look at all the flaws and the things that are, you know, like
still hanging on, like the things we're working through, because he sees where we're going.
And some days we need to, you know, there are times where we need to sit down and we
need to be honest with God about what we're struggling with.
We need to focus on that.
And we need to say, Lord, help me with this.
And there are other times where we need to quit paying so much attention to the struggle.
And we need to stop looking at that.
We need to start believing, no, this is who Jesus has made me.
This is who he's called me to be.
This is where I'm headed.
And I'm not going to let this weigh me down, but I'm going to focus on who he has made
me to be in him, in Christ.
And a lot of times when we get our eyes off of the old and onto the new, then God is actually
able to do something new in our lives.
So I believe that this is a sanctification process that we're in.
But here's the other thing.
This is interesting to me.
This is something that the Lord began to show me earlier today.
This idea of like the church running haywire.
We see, we're seeing a movement in the church.
There's different things that are happening, like, you know, rise of the deliverance ministries,
you know, like in ways that we've never seen before, different things that are happening
like online ministry, you know, all this, all this stuff.
And we're seeing, you know, weird things too, that aren't from the Lord, you know, like
we're seeing a mix of a mix of stuff here, but it's easy to start thinking like the different
or the new is messing up the church or is destroying the church.
And a lot of times, you know, I believe the older generations can look at the younger
generations and they can begin to say, this is the way we've always done things.
So what you're doing is not right.
And then the younger generation can look at the older generation and say, yeah, but we
know better because we've seen the way you've done things.
And we've seen where you made mistakes, you know, and both of those are strategies of
the enemy that are actually meant to rip the church apart.
Yeah.
But if they're committed to work with each other, they would actually strengthen each
other.
Yeah.
And this, this, I'm going to keep reading this, this prophetic word the Lord spoke,
because I feel like this is, is, is, it's, God is bringing it down to one simple message.
So this is the next thing I heard.
I want her to acknowledge me in all things.
She's talking about the church.
This is not just in some, not just when it's convenient, not only when it's popular.
She's talking about us acknowledging Him and essentially not looking to ourselves for the
answer.
And then, and then I heard there needs to be a movement toward acknowledgement and away
from self-centeredness if she's going to thrive this next year and a half.
And He said, because things are coming to challenge her and she will be ready if and
only if she can manage her own issues by taking them to the foot of the cross daily.
The Lord is talking about the cross and He's talking, talking about us coming back to the
cross, right?
As, as, as a body of believers and as individuals and realizing, hey, Jesus said, apart from
me, you can do nothing, you know?
So if that was true then it's still true now, you know, like, and I need, it's like, I'm
just going to speak for myself, you know?
When I see God do things through me, I start thinking, I'll add that to my checklist of
like achievements or I'll add that to my trophy wall or, you know, whatever.
You know, it's like, wait a minute.
I wasn't the one that did that.
You know, like I should be giving Jesus the trophy in the, in the form of praise to Him
because He's the one that did it.
Like, you know, and the problem is we start to let this, this wall of pride build up,
you know, based on these things sometimes, or we go the opposite direction.
We go, well, look at all their trophies and look, I haven't done anything, right?
Like I'm, I'm, I'm messing this up, you know, and we start, and then we start beating ourselves
up and it's like, no matter which side of that fence we're on, you know, when we start
to acknowledge God, you know, like Proverbs says, to trust in the Lord with all your heart,
do not lean on your own understanding and all your ways acknowledge Him and He will
make your paths straight.
You know, it's like when we start to do that and we're like, Hey, I'm going to acknowledge
what Jesus did, I'm going to, I'm going to believe what the scripture says about me because
of what He did.
And I'm going to acknowledge what God is doing on the earth today through His body.
Now, not what I have to do, but what God is doing.
And I'm just going to take part in that.
You know, I'm going to jump.
It's like we jump onto the bandwagon, you know, like it's already moving.
God's already working.
We just get, we just get on board, you know, and then I believe God is able to do so much
more when we're, when we're starting from that place.
But this, this is a, you know, I think one of the things the Lord is addressing is the
division that's caused by selfishness, you know, in the body and by the, the me centered,
you know, and, and the Lord is, is appealing to the church and saying, Hey, don't, don't
just look at yourself.
Now, do we need to take care of ourselves and our families?
Absolutely.
Right.
But, but the word also talks about like, you know, us not merely looking out for our own
personal interests.
So there's this idea of when the love of Christ comes in, you know, and starts to take over
and take root, it's like we look out, yes, we look out for our own personal interests,
but we are also looking out for the interests of others.
We're also taking the consideration in mind of the full body, the full picture.
You know, the, the, what, what the, this is what Ephesians two calls the body.
It says, it says, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ
Jesus himself being the cornerstone in whom the whole building being fitted together is
growing into a Holy temple in the Lord in whom you also are being built together into
a dwelling of God in the spirit.
So, so Ephesians, Paul is writing and saying, Hey, the whole church is being built into
a dwelling of God in the spirit.
And you're part of that, you know, it's like a building process.
And I've seen buildings go up, you know, from start to finish from scratch.
It's like, there's so many different people involved in that process from the planners
to the architect, the, you know, the, the draw, the people that are drawing the blueprints
to the people laying the foundation and constructing it is all these different professionals, you
know, that are involved.
And that's what the church being built up is like, is like, Hey, you can't, you can't
hire a, a plumber to go out there and do the full job.
They only, they only do their one part, you know, like, but God is the master builder
and he's designing it.
He's got the blueprint in mind and he's the one that say, Hey, now, you know, I'm putting
you here, I'm putting you here, I'm putting you here, but we all need each other.
And we need to recognize that we are a part of a dwelling of God in the spirit.
And when we come at it from that perspective, it's like, we get humbled and we start going,
man, I just, I want to, I want to help you if I can, you know, like, because I know you're,
you're doing the same thing that I'm doing.
We're serving the Lord together and we want to see the light of Jesus Christ, you know,
shine in the world.
And I want to, I want to be here any way I can to help you.
Now that doesn't mean we don't put up boundaries and all that kind of stuff.
You know, like we need to have a healthy relationship with others, but at the same time, we don't
just consider our own needs, you know, like Paul says in Philippians, we, we're not looking
out merely for our own personal interests.
And that only happens to the, the, the help of the Holy spirit.
Well, and I'm grateful that he's willing to help us because none of us are good at this,
you know, like there's none of us.
We fall short of the glory of God, right?
Without his help, but I'm just so grateful that he's willing to help us.
But this is amazing.
This verse, and then I want to read the next, this next part of this word that God gave
me, but this is James four six.
It says, but he gives a greater grace.
Therefore it says God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
So we all need grace to be able to do this, right.
And to be able to not judge too quickly and to not, you know, criticize a movement just
because we don't understand it, but to whether to rather wait upon the Lord and say, Lord,
is that from you or not, you know, and make sure that we're actually coming at it from
the right perspective.
Like we all need that grace, but in order to do that, we simply need to say, God, I
need that, you know, like I need help and God is willing to help us.
This is the next thing I heard.
I heard the Lord say, break down the walls of self accomplishment that have held you
captive and open up to me in every way.
The Lord saying this, the, these, this self accomplishment mindset is actually holiness
captive.
It's keeping us from being able to move forward in what he has for us as the church.
And he said, be willing to acknowledge your need for my mercy and grace in every situation,
acknowledge me and see my victory, take you higher.
So I'm out his victory at the cross.
And then, and then I heard the Lord say, began to walk in the new life I have for you through
my sacrifice, becoming your all.
So I'm going to stop there for a minute.
The Lord sent me to stop because what he's saying here, began to walk in the new life
I have for you through my sacrifice, becoming your all.
I think as Christians, a lot of times we want to add to what Jesus has done because we feel
that it's necessary.
And the only reason we feel that it's necessary is because we haven't, we haven't stopped to
sit in the truth and the reality of what Jesus has done long enough.
We haven't meditated on what he's done.
And here's the most amazing way to do it, John, is, and you know this too, but I'm just
sharing it for those listening, you know, and we all, as Christians, we know this, you
know, it's just that we need to be reminded of it.
I need to be reminded of it.
The most amazing way to do that, I believe, is to get into the New Testament and read
about what he's done, get into the Gothels, get into the letters of Paul, you know, and
John and Peter.
And it's like, read what God has written to us about what Christ has done.
It's all through there, you know, but sometimes we read and we go, oh, well, I've seen that
before, yeah, and we just kind of gloss over it.
But it's like, it's, if you read it, stop and you read it, it's like, this is the most
amazing thing I've ever seen in my life, you know, like what it means, you know, like what
Jesus' sacrifice means for me now.
It's like the most amazing thing, but I just haven't stopped to think about it, you know,
lately.
And it's like, we need that.
We need to be in that place of meditating on what he's done.
But then I heard this from the, it was as if from the Father's perspective, I heard
the Lord say, quit trying to bring your all to the table separate from what I have done
and begin to instead find your all in me.
And then I heard, in identifying with my son's victory that day when he poured everything
out for you.
So I love this.
Do we, you know, the Word talks about how we've died with Christ, right?
Like we, and, but it also talks about how we are raised to life with him too.
You know, we get to identify in his death and our flesh, like we crucify the flesh,
but at the same time, it's like, we get to identify in his victory, you know, and I believe
that that is a word.
And I just sense the Holy Spirit saying that that's a word for somebody for 2024.
Like, you need to start identifying in the victory that I've won for you, I hear the
Lord saying.
Man, this is, this is good news because when we start identifying in the victory of Jesus
Christ, our feelings become a lie.
They don't become the source of truth.
Now they are, you know, our feelings are valid and it's something we should be willing to
talk with.
We should, you know, talk about, we should be willing to deal with, you know, but sometimes
they're just a lie.
You know, even when we feel like, well, I don't feel victorious today, we can look at
what Jesus has done.
We say, no, but his victory is my victory.
I don't have to feel it to know that it's true.
And I'm, and the more I step into that, the more I get to walk it out.
And this is, this is the next thing I heard.
I heard the Lord say, this is enough.
Why are you trying to look other places for fulfillment?
Then I heard him say, and this is again, from the father's perspective, but he said, what
my son did is enough to fill every space, to mend every issue, to fix every problem,
to open every wound in every single heart and brain healing.
And I heard supernatural unequivocal healing.
And I did not know what that word unequivocal meant.
And that's what I heard.
I wrote it down.
I Googled it and it means leaving no doubt, leaving no doubt.
So this is saying this is supernatural.
It's like, this is a miracle.
This is a healing.
I believe this could be representing, God could be talking about physical healing.
Absolutely.
But I believe he's also talking about the healing of people's hearts.
So I'm not the healing of wounds.
It could be church hurt.
It could be disappointment from something we thought God was going to do a certain way
and it doesn't seem like he did it.
And we feel like God has let us down.
Listen, God never let, someone needs to hear this.
God never lets you down, but that does not mean you're not going to feel like he has.
We got to dig in our roots.
We have to reassess our priorities.
We've got to sit down and let God have time to shape us into something.
Mario Murillo, it's great to have you back on Charisma News.
And this time we're talking about what God is saying to you about the year 2024.
We are about to turn the calendar and this is an important time that people are looking
to prophetic voices to say, what is God saying?
We are listening, we're ready.
So brother, what is God saying to you about 2024?
Well, John, first of all, I always enjoy when I do an interview with you because you ask
the best questions.
And in this case, it's not just a good question, it's a hard one.
So I'm going to answer it and unpack it as best I can.
There are many voices out there right now that are not trustworthy and people feel that.
I mean, they feel a distinct sense that why is this person saying this about the future?
Is it for money?
Is it to titillate the audience?
Is it to join the long train of fascination now with the prophetic or why is he speaking
this?
So I answer the question reluctantly and with conviction.
I really believe that in 2024, there is one thing to bear in mind.
The left is going to behave like a wounded animal.
You have to see that they've been cornered.
Their escapades, their extremes, their overreaches in government are all coming back to haunt
them now.
And the American voter sees blood in the water and they're going to make them pay.
So in the interim, knowing this is, knowing that, for example, that Joe Biden now has
the lowest approval rating of any president in history, that they know they have to do
something.
So the individual who controls the teleprompter, whoever they are, is going to do anything
and everything to make it miserable for people of faith and people that oppose the current
regime.
Wow.
So Mario, there's, you're saying that they're going to make it miserable because they're
wounded animal.
And I like that description.
I mean, I don't like that it's coming like that because wounded animals are, when they're
cornered, they're going to attack.
They've got nothing left to lose.
They are going to attack with everything they have to survive.
And so we're looking at that type of a situation right now.
And it seems that what you're saying, it just makes sense logically, but you're talking
from a prophetic vantage point as well.
So let's unpack the prophetic aspect of this even more.
Because what God is saying to you is, I believe it's more than just what you've told us.
I believe that there's more to unpack there than just the things that we can kind of see
with our own logical eyes.
Yeah, you know, recent, recent events tell me that the strong Christian is the Christian
of the future.
We have talked about the blessed Christian, the prospered Christian, the grace forgiven
Christian, and all of those things are valid and true, but we've entered a new season.
And that is where the word strength is going to matter.
And the Bible says in Ephesians, be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might.
In 2024, we got to dig in our roots.
We have to reassess our priorities.
We've got to sit down and let God have time to shape us into something.
I'm working on an article right now that's going to be published in several outlets.
It's called The Anointing Breaks the Woke.
And in this particular study that I'm going to release, I talk about not woke as a philosophy
or a person, but a spirit.
It's a spirit because very often you'll see in many videos online that when a person confronts
a woke individual on the streets and asks them a logical question, they seem to start
to manifest.
They're not capable of giving a coherent response to a direct simple question, whether it be
about gender, whether it be about the Bible, whether it be about freedom or responsibility,
personal responsibility.
What that tells us is that people really aren't there.
They're emotionally disassociated from the basis of their position.
And I wanted to tell you, that can sound real confusing, but it's not.
It means they no longer know why they believe what they believe.
They just feel it and they're mad about it.
So they'll defend it.
And when they lack any rational rebuttal, they'll begin to call you a racist or they'll
say that you're transphobic, homophobic.
And they meant all these phobias that are really just honest questions about the direction
of the nation.
The other problem they face, and I think, John, that this is very critical to understand,
who in their right mind would be doing what we're doing with our border?
Who in their right mind would be having men in women's sports?
Who in their right mind would defend an economy or defend a foreign policy which has been
an unqualified disaster?
Who would in their right mind defend that?
So when someone says to me, I'm going to vote to realloc Joe Biden, and I know this is political,
but I'm being prophetic about it.
What I'm trying to say is, is when your place and you're in that position where you're framed
to say, well, I want him, there's only one option that they have.
They have to use ad hominem attacks on our character.
They have to question our sanity or they have to vilify Trump.
But one thing they don't have is a plan, a solution, or an apology for what they have
done to this country.
And so supernaturally, they've been placed in power by the evil one.
And the only way to respond to that is supernatural.
Now, let me give you a vivid example of this.
There are two words that every Christian needs to have in their vocabulary, the word policy
and the word prophecy.
Now let's just take a moment.
Policy is every human law that has been being written right now.
And it's laws that the Bible even tells us it's possible for evil to enact laws.
It says it in Psalm 94.
Will you have fellowship with those who devise evil by law?
So anyone that blindly says Christians are supposed to obey every law, they have to look
at the word of God.
We're supposed to obey every moral law, every civil law, but not an evil law.
So here's the moment that we're in.
God is going to raise up a special breed of people.
The policy will be swallowed up by the prophecy.
The Bible says the anointing will break the yoke.
I define the yoke as whatever mass form of evil is present in your generation.
Jesus, when he described the anointing, he said the anointing is on me because, that
he said, here's the evil, here's the sickness, here's the devastation that the anointing
of God is on me to address.
That's what we're doing in our tent crusades.
We are really not even waiting for the local church to realize what we're doing.
We want them to feel the love and the support, but we can't wait for them to come along.
We are under the anointing addressing the yoke, which is woke of this hour and getting
people saved and delivered.
And that's why I believe this is 2024 is the era of the strong Christian.
I want to reference three things that have happened.
Number one is an individual that I called out is now under investigation by the attorney
general of his state, which is a relief because he is diverting funds into illegal channels.
The second is that an individual that I mentioned became deathly ill, and I don't rejoice in
that at all.
But they had to leave the field and were unable to give their voice of their kind of their
false visions and dreams and interpretations were interrupted.
The third is, is that other prophets that are legitimate are stepping up and they're
not afraid.
And a lot of the education that I had to give people was that they needed to read Jeremiah
again, read the book of Jeremiah again.
And you'll see he devoted a great deal of his time to exposing false prophets, not just
the sin of the king or of the culture, but of those that were claiming to speak in the
name of God and they were false.
Jesus did the same thing.
Paul did the same thing.
And I'll go you one better.
There's never been a legitimate anointed voice in the history of the faith that didn't at
some point confront false teachers or false prophets in their ministry.
Every one of them have done it, whether it be Catherine Kuhlman, David Wilkerson, Billy
Graham, Oral Roberts.
That's just in the 20th century.
But go all the way back and you'll see it.
It is absolutely a universal part of the calling of God to expose falsehood.
I did it because as a soul winner, it was looking, it was making us look stupid to the
outside world.
And I needed to step aside and say, look, this isn't God.
This is not God.
This is man making up stuff and woman making up stuff.
So that's it.
So the current trend is that people are waking up, they're coming out of it and a lot of
houses of worship are being shaken right now because God is preparing us for the storm
and we've got to be ready.