Well, I have the privilege of having the Mario Murillo with me here on the Charisma News
show and Mario, your blog post recently that really you just posed the question,
Mario, where have you been? Has really caused quite a bit of a stir because you're dealing
with some issues within the body of Christ that you believe really need to be addressed and
it's something that we want to talk about today and let's talk about that first because you did
a follow-up blog where you actually named names and so let's kind of talk about that. What inspired
you to number one take a break from just kind of being publicly on certain TV shows? Let's just
get into the mind of Mario Marillo and take us into that quiet place where the Lord was telling
you what to do. Well, first of all, I obeyed the Holy Spirit and prayed and read the Word of God.
There's a secret to telling the truth and that is the truth telling, which is what I did,
is an act of faith. It's not so much courage as it is faith because you have to believe that if
you tell the truth, no matter what, it's going to create the ultimate and best outcome. There'll
be an immediate firestorm. Winston Churchill said, panic will reject it and those who are
in the deception will rail against it. But he said, in the end, there it is and there it is.
The fact is there were things that were going on in some of the shows that I was associated with
and I went personally to the individuals that were responsible for my concern about two prophets.
And I'm going to name names, Kat Kerr and Robin Bullock. And they were identified with this
gentleman in his church and he was a regular guest alongside of me. And I went to him privately
on four occasions and implored him to disassociate himself with false prophets. And in not a lot of
the shows, I was involved with a lot of people, not only him, but also other people in the show.
One individual that I'm going to mention that is a great man of God and we're teaming up together
to do rallies is Lance Walnau. And Lance is a true man of God who studies the Word of God and
understands. So after a while, it became clear that the Spirit of God was grieved by this program,
yes. Effective, yes. Powerful, yes. Am I grateful for it? Absolutely. I've got nothing to say
negative about that part. But the part that was an issue was the association, which has now even
become a closer association with false prophets that I've named. And so I had to bow out.
The second reason I left is because so many people are getting saved. There is a massive
American soul winning situation on our hands. Right now we're in the middle of a crisis and
that crisis led me to write the book, It's Our Turn Now, to talk about an undercurrent of millions
of Americans who are ready right now to be born again, if we'll go and get them. We can't be
playing with Jell-O Mountains in Heaven or Elvis. We need to be winning souls. And if that gets me
in trouble with someone, then that someone needs to look deep in their own soul and say,
why would that statement offend me? You know, we live in a day where we don't know male or female.
And so what happens is a group is labeled as being oppressed. And so once they're labeled as
oppressed or marginal, and then they say something totally insane. I'm a cat. I'm not a person. I
self-identify as a five-year-old Mexican when I'm really a 45-year-old Norwegian. And we are then
put in the position where the individual who says, well, that's nuts, is suddenly labeled
and given all these names and accusations. The same thing is going on right here. When you question
the outlandish statements of these prophets, suddenly you're called divisive. When it's just
plain sanity and biblical reality. So let's talk about sanity and biblical reality, because
that is something that I've always learned is really, really important. Whenever I've received
a prophetic word or a word of knowledge, what I do is I either have it recorded or written down.
Exactly. I take it to the Bible, and I take it to maybe my pastor or some spiritual leader who is
doing life with me. Who's not just coming alongside for a moment, but somebody that's walking with me.
And I will ask them, hey, take a listen to this. Or what do you think this means? Or let's look at
the word of God and compare to what it actually says. So I'm just going to throw this out there.
Do you think that part of the reason we are having such an issue with some of these
interesting prophecies is because of a lack of biblical literacy?
It is totally the problem. And you know what's interesting is that you bring that up, because I
got to say this real fast. It began in the seeker sensitive model. And that model, for those that
aren't familiar with church marketing ideologies, is to leave out the offensive aspects of the Bible
in order to get a wider hearing and people in. The problem is they're really not brought in.
Their bodies are there, but their conversion isn't. So what we have here is pastors who began to leave
the Bible out. And we have individuals who today say things like we need to uncouple Christianity
from the Old Testament. Well, Paul said to Timothy, you've learned the scriptures since you were a
child, and they are able to correct you and give you life. Well, since the New Testament hadn't
been written yet, what was he referring to? The Old Testament. So that biblical illiteracy is a
major issue in the church. But it came from all directions. From one section of the church was
the marketing scheme. We need a mega church and we need to leave out the offensive part. But on
the other side, in the charismatic movement, came people that had out of Bible experiences.
And they began to feel and get a hearing for the exotic nature of things they said were happening
to them. And there was no way to corroborate that. There was no way to say, well, that didn't happen
except from the Bible. And since the Bible was not being taught, it opened the door for these
prophets that are false to rise up and feel what was a condition of malnutrition in the body of
Christ. Yeah, I know through my work in Christian media and just being able to interview a lot of
people that have had either near death experiences or they've come back from the dead. I found one
thing that is pretty much a commonality between those people is that they are very reluctant to
share the secrets that God has revealed to them during that time. And it's almost that they need
to, it's years later oftentimes that this finally kind of slips out. But I've been able to look in
people's eyes and say like, oh, there's something that's different there. But this is not what we're
talking about. This is we're talking about prophetic visions or things that are just,
it's hard to, I don't see a Bible verse or chapter verse to go with some of these things.
Well, yeah, yeah, go ahead. A three year old knows better than this stuff. There's no cows driving
tractors in heaven. There's no, it's not happening. There's no chocolate milk waterfall bigger than
Niagara. Well, can you imagine you're sitting in the glory of God, you're seeing the face of Christ,
you're absolutely in a resurrection body in the act of worship and glorification. And the Bible
tells us what we're going to do in heaven. A lot of people don't understand because they don't read
the book of Ephesians, which in the third chapter says that God is hidden, the manifold wisdom of
God has been hidden and will be revealed through the church. We're going to have a role in the
kingdom of the universe where the educational process goes on. And it's certainly not going to
be mundane or anything of this earth. As Peter said, everything of the earth, the works of man
will be burned up. So you're in heaven, the four and 20 elders are crying, holy glory to God in the
highest and to him that sits on the throne. And somebody hits you in the elbow and say, how'd you
like to eat some jello right now? That would be the most impossibly absurd statement that anyone
can make. And the defense of it is, well, Mara, you don't know, you haven't been to heaven. Well,
I haven't stuck my head in the dryer either while it was operating, but I have a pretty good
scientific prediction of what it would be like. The fact is that, and I'm not meaning to be
sarcastic, it's just that it's almost like the church needs electrode paddles on its chest to
get the heart beating again and simple logic and simple understanding. Some of these individuals
that I'm referencing, you need to know this. They believe that we have the power to create things
that we, whatever is loosed in heaven will be loosed on earth. Whatever is loosed on earth
will be loosed in heaven. In one conversation between these prophets, they were talking about,
well, you mentioned a jello mountain, but I like pudding. And said, what about a pudding pond?
Is that in heaven? And she said, well, there is now. And I'm thinking audiences listen to this,
and they're going, wow, that's really spiritual. That is absolutely a psycho drama from every
conceivable perspective that is not only not in the Bible, but against the Bible. When we get to
heaven, Christ is going to be the entire glory and obsession of everyone that's there. And every
thing we learn, everything we do will come and emanate out of that glory. Amen. Amen. Well,
Mario, I understand what you're talking about, but I just feel like I have to ask this question
for people that are watching and listening. Why say anything? Why is this an important thing to
why can't we just let them, if you're saying that these are just fantasies, why can't we just let
these fantasies happen over to the side? What is the point of this? Why can't we just let these
fantasies happen over to the side? What is the real reason that you felt the need to address this?
Well, because it crosses the line into something extremely dangerous,
distraction. What we've developed is we, and there are other prophets that I could name
that are also dangerously to be avoided that are giving daily prophetic words to people
every single day. Now, why is that dangerous? Because I have a rule that I live by. I don't
ask God to speak to me directly until after I've studied His word. Because if I want messages from
God and I'm avoiding the Bible as the standard, I'm liable to hear anything. Sometimes when a
person says, well, we need to trust the Spirit more than the Bible, there's individuals that
have said that. That's the crowbar for the Spiritism to enter the church. But here's the problem.
I'm not really trusting the Holy Spirit at that point. I'm taking the word of that prophet,
that that's what the Spirit said. Now, if I go to the owner's manual, I'm going to see the patented
absurdity of that statement, because Jesus said, the Spirit of God would take what I have said
and reveal it to you. He won't contradict the word of God. So that is an essential truth.
So why is it dangerous? Well, one person commented in my blog, well, you've blasted these prophets.
So please tell us who are the true prophets. And I said to them, listen to yourself. When
did your Christian faith become dependent on needing a prophet? Who created this new
and improved dependency of the church on a prophetic word? Other generations never had this.
My generation never had it. We had the Jesus movement without daily prophetic words. I wonder
how we made it. The fact is that we are now in a setting where the issue becomes, are we going
to face the uncomfortable thing? Why are so many people angry with me? Well, because you received
the prophetic word, and I'm going to give you an example of one that's very dangerous.
One of the people infers that you can get a second chance after you die to be saved.
Well, that doesn't sound like whatever what I've read in the Bible. No. And what it does is someone
that has a loved one that has passed on, this lady has said this to them. Well, I prayed. And when I
visited heaven, I saw that Christ pulled them out and gave them a second chance. Now, what does that
do if I believe, do I need to repent if I can get a second chance? And is this not the indulgences
of the Middle Ages in the Catholic Church? And I'll show you another indulgence of the Middle Ages
of the Catholic Church is to say whenever a prophet stands there and says, you cannot understand the
Bible, I have a code that God has given. And they've said this. I have a code that God has given me
to interpret the Bible. So unless you trust the prophets, you're not going to get this deeper
understanding. The next thing they've done is they've threatened people saying, if you doubt us,
what what are the one of the questions was asked on a certain show, a streaming show?
Well, will Mario lose his salvation for questioning your Jello mountains? And I'm sitting there.
Well, okay. Well, at what point do we finally say this is this and it is uncomfortable and it is
cringy. And people will look at me and say, Mario, why do you want to talk about all this stuff?
The question is answered with another question. Why didn't we early on, as men and women of God,
as pastors in fivefold ministry, when this fantasy show started, why didn't we stop it?
Because now it's turned in to this insane psychodrama that is embarrassing to talk about.
That's the point. You know, Mari, you said one of those one of those three areas was that the
the the God is speaking in some sort of a code and you need people to explain that. You know,
I think that goes directly against Acts chapter two, where you had the disciples and the hundred
and twenty in the upper room. And then the Holy Spirit comes and fills them and they are speaking
in other tongues. And people all from all over are hearing them in their own language. And it's
something that they went from not understanding to understanding. So I as I read the word of God,
that is something that I'm seeing that God is continually revealing himself, not for deeper
different revelations, but is a deeper intimacy with him and bringing him bringing us to the
knowledge of Christ as Lord and Savior. And not only that, but again, this is medieval
Catholicism. The priest understands the Bible. You can't. Well, this goes part and parcel against
the whole point of the Bible. You see, this is this is the important point that everyone has
to understand. The Bible was written for the common man. It was written with the notion that
any person that needs God could get in the word and understand what the Bible is saying. That's
how it was written. You look at the audiences that Paul had. He said, not many of you are wise.
Not many of you are educated or not. Many of you are powerful according to this world. But God has
chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. How can we read that and not know that
the Bible was written for the common person to be able to get it on their own, read it and have God
open their heart to truth? So this idea of I know the word and you can't get it without me, that's
cultic and that is false doctrine. Yeah. You know, Mario, I think one of the things that's
that's dealing with division is also distraction. You know, like that we're being pulled away from
what's really important. And you're you really are more of an evangelist that operates in the
prophetic than somebody that is a in the office of a prophet. And so before we went on to this
recording, you said that I have to ask about what's going on in Bakersfield because that is
something that is really, I guess, marking what's happening in this in this world right now. So,
Mario, I've been waiting till now to ask you what's going on in Bakersfield. So please fill us in.
We're going to do a tent crusade on March the 12th through the 15th in Bakersfield. And it's a very
needy city. But let me tell you what's going on there. It is a city that is trying to turn to God.
It's a city where our workers are going door to door and masses are being born again.
Now there are these conversions that are taking place. And the last time we were there, I want to
give you a vivid example. I'm preaching in Bakersfield. We can't get the people in the
tent. The temperature outside is 40 degrees. And people are shivering in the cold standing out there
for hours. Lost souls, people that don't know God. My sermon is interrupted by one of the leading
drug dealers of the city of Bakersfield who has in his possession a large bag of marijuana buds
worth a lot of money. And he's holding it up and he runs to the front. And it's like something you'd
read out of Finney. He's quaking. We have it on video. He's quaking. He throws it on the floor and
he says, I cannot do this anymore. I cannot. Security came. They thought he was trying to
attack me. But he said no. He said, give me Jesus right now. That's what Bakersfield is saying.
Now we're going door to door giving thousands of boxes of food, groceries, clothing in the
poorer sections of Bakersfield. And they literally want prayer more than groceries. They want God.
And what our critical shortage is workers. We don't have nearly enough workers. That's what led me to
the book that I wrote called It's Our Turn Now, where I describe the greatest undercurrent in
American history is that souls are ripening because of wokeness. Americans have had the color of life,
the innocence of life, the enjoyment of life has been drained out of them, suffocated by a mask,
terrified by a vaccine, told that they're racist, told that they are incapable of anything decent
and that their words have to be marked. Their employment has to be judged according to something
they may have posted 10 years ago on social media. Americans are rebelling and revolted by this.
And they're all ripening together. This is what I find 12 minutes into a sermon. I have to stop
because the audience wants to get saved. This is why I sit there and I'm watching prostitutes,
homeless people, drug addicts saved. I can't get enough workers. They're busy trying to get a prophetic
word. They're sitting contemplating their navel, wanting to understand things that are truly
irrelevant. And then they wonder why I get upset. It's because Jesus says, go to the pray to the
Lord of the harvest to send laborers into the harvest fields because the harvest is white.
It is ready to be picked. And that's this is this is what the Bible has been telling us about for
for thousands of years is that the harvest is ready. And Mario is out there preaching the gospel
and seeing this harvest coming in. And we can't be laying back and just being spectators and
wondering how these things are going to affect us. We need to go be the ones that are making
that change. And that's why it's our turn. It's our turn now. Like Mario, tell us about what is
in this book, because right now I am feeling this passion. I am feeling the spirit of God rising up
in me because I want to get out there and tell people about Jesus. And we haven't even gotten
into the first chapter of your book yet. Tell me about what this is. What is going on here?
I'm so excited about what happened in Bakersfield. This is amazing.
Yeah. And it's it's going on even as we speak right now. And let me tell you, in the book,
any pastor that will take and take this book, take it aside, seek God, you'll turn your church into
a soul winning machine. There's no doubt in my mind. I can tell you that within 30 days of you
finishing this book, that you will not only have a plan, but an understanding about what you're
preaching right now versus what you might start to see in your content that'll change. This is also
helping the parent to deal with public schools. This is helping the average Christian to understand
that they are on this planet for a specific harvest. And here's what the verse it's in John
435, one of the principal ones. And then we need to talk about Elijah a little bit. Yes, please.
John 435 says, Do you not say there are yet three or four months and then comes the harvest?
Here is what when we read stories and analysis of demographics like, say, Barna report or others,
or they do a sociological profile on Americans and they say, well, they're not going to church.
And we take that to mean that Christianity is in decline in America. No, it isn't. It means
that I'm reevaluating my spiritual condition. I've left these traditional churches
because I'm reevaluating my spiritual condition. And that is exactly what happened in the Jesus
movement. When God saved millions of young people in the Jesus movement, church attendance by
teenagers had dropped to 5%. So they didn't leave God, they left church. And when they left church,
they became more aware of the voice of God and their experience with drugs, the death of Kennedy,
the Beatles and several cultural factors rendered them spiritually devastated. And some turned to
LSD, but others for the same reason, turned to the Spirit of God and became Christian. So here's the
next part of that verse. And this is in the living Bible, which is an excellent rendering of this.
Do you not say there are yet four or five months and then comes the harvest? But I say to you,
look to the fields, vast fields of human souls are ripening all around you. And so I never heard
that before. How does a soul ripen? How does a soul, a human soul ripen in the things of God?
Well, we know in an orchard how it happens. You have nutrients, you have sunshine, you deal,
you prune the plant and you do all kinds of things. But here's what the farmer understands.
It's all going to ripen and near the same time. He knows when I planted this field,
and it's all going to happen at the same time. They've gone through the same rain, the same
sunshine, the same feeding and watering, and it's all going to happen. This is what I'm warning you
about. Millions of Americans went through the same pandemic, the same disappointment in government,
the same disillusionment and to question their genders and everything else. The reset button
has been pressed. But what we don't get is that in a spiritual vacuum, the hurricane of God
can occur and we're already watching it happen. But this book, I wrote it so that we wouldn't miss
the harvest. We wouldn't be so preoccupied. The devil wouldn't lie to us and say, oh, you can't
do it or America is unreachable or people don't want church and all these other myths and distractions.
Suddenly we're ready and we're ready for the harvest. Yeah. I know one thing that's interesting
about the harvest and whether it's wheat, which is often used in the Bible or fruit like apples,
if it's not picked at the right time, it can rot on the vine and cause other issues.
We need to be the ones that are going in at the right time, which by the way, the right time is
now to go into the harvest fields. But we can't let these people, these souls, this harvest of souls
rot on the vine. That is not a good thing. I don't want to go before the Lord and say, I was busy
doing other things. So I let that rot on the vine. That's not the answers that we want to give.
Mario, you mentioned about Elijah and he's one of my favorite characters in the Bible. I know that
you have some very interesting revelation about the widow of Zarephath and Elijah. So let's talk
about that. All right. So you understand that Elijah told Ahab, it's not going to rain until I
say it's going to rain again. It's not going to rain. You know what that's called? That's called
authority. That's called authority. And I think sometimes we think that Christianity has a bad
reputation and therefore our posture and our tone should be very kind of apologetic and sweet.
And that's not, I don't believe that's correct. I really believe that America is looking for
clarity. America needs to be told. And let me see how I can say this to the audience.
If you care about racism, then you have to bring Jesus to the table. If you care about equal rights
or women's rights, you have to bring Christ to the table. I have the right to question
your honesty, your intellectual honesty. If you can take the historical contribution that
Christianity has made to mankind and claim you want to help mankind. I'll give you a simple example.
Over in California, where I do most of my ministry, Gavin Newsom is against faith-based
ministries getting any money. So they have a program to get people off of heroin.
We know it's been documented. Teen Challenge, Victory Outreach, faith-based ministries that
deal with drug addicts have a manifold improvement on the stats that any government program shows.
In some cases, compare this 7% cure in a government anti-drug program versus 80%
when the baptism of the Holy Spirit is introduced there. So if you were saying-
7% versus 80%. That is a drastic difference. One is absolute failure. The other one is
success. It's remarkable. It's easy to see.
And so the question becomes, why is the church embarrassed about the most significant thing
that humanity's ever heard? The thing that will get people off of drugs, stop crime,
bring equality and do it. So I tell you the left, in my opinion, is not interested in cures.
They're interested in staying in power. And the Christian message, I can't get up there and talk
like Christianity has done something wrong or it doesn't work. I'm standing before you today. I get
up there and I say, I'm standing before you today to render you to be delivered from all the half cures
that leave you worse off than before. And I promise you, you come to God, you will be transformed
and the power to live, the power to raise your family, the power to marry the right person,
the power to make money that doesn't give you disaster because the blessing of God makes rich
and he adds no sorrow to it. All of that. And I can't believe that people don't get,
that's what we need to be saying. Yeah. So Mario, you mentioned something about the
widow of Zarephath in your book. Can you talk about that briefly?
Okay. It is important for people watching to know that God may be hiding them on purpose.
When, when Elijah went to the widow of Zarephath, there are two things to remember about that.
Zarephath is in Sidon. And if you look at it and you study it, you realize, guess who came from
there? Jezebel. So God sent the man of God to lay the acts at the root of where Jezebel's influence
and evil in Israel started. There he was. And he was hiding. Now here's Ahab sending out every hired
assassin that he can find to kill Elijah because they are blaming him for the problem. So the
widow of Zarephath, according to the word of God, it said she had no food. So Elijah was told by God
to ask her for food. Now that wasn't a, that wasn't his idea. It was God that told him to do it. She
went through an anxiety and said, yeah, you know, either it's true that I heard from God to feed you
or not, but she let fear get in the way. And he tenderly said to her, look, if you will just make
me this meal, then I tell you the oil and the meat and the grain will not run out as long as there's
any kind of famine. Now I'm going to tell you, imagine if in Orlando, Florida, a gas station
were to open and it's selling gas for 50 cents a gallon. Hey, how do you hide that? It's impossible
you can't know. No, the line of people coming to buy gas there would go off into Tampa.
Hey, the line is already going about that long. So that's, yeah. So here you so imagine that.
So everyone's trying to kill Elijah, but they can't find it. He creates an oil cartel that if her jar
falls over, it's going to flood the county. But yet no one knows where Elijah is. Now compound that
with the fact that he now raises the dead and still no one can find it. How do you raise the dead,
multiply oil and grain in a famine and not have it get out? Because it wasn't God's time yet.
And it said after two years with her, the word of the Lord came and said to him, go
show yourself to Ab, I'm going to send rain on the earth. And that's where we lead to this moment.
There are people watching that God is hidden. You've been through things that are undeniable.
You think, man, I had a healing in my church, medically documented. It didn't lead to notoriety.
I saw a powerful breakthrough in this city and it didn't have any legs or it didn't lead to
anything major. Well, what's going on is God has kept you hidden, but that time will come.
And when that time arrives, you have to be ready. And what I'm telling you is that America has got
Elijah's hidden everywhere. And yeah, the bozo, the clown prophetic has been with us, but the real is
coming. And believe me, just like LSD was a counterfeit for the baptism of the Holy Spirit,
we're watching a counterfeit right now. And the true prophets of God are coming. I'm telling you,
they're coming and they will be holy. They'll be committed to a local church. They will lead people
to Jesus and their words will be confirmed. They're not going to have a 50% prediction rate.
They're going to have a hundred percent and they'll be powerful for God. Something's coming.
That's big, my friend. I'm excited about that. Something that's coming. And just like the title
of your book, it's our turn now. You know, it's not just our turn. It's our time now as God is,
has been hiding those Elijah's getting ready for that moment. That time is now, what is it?
Some of the things that we need to be doing right now to be prepared for when God then opens that
up and we're able to really do what he's calling us to do. I want you to speak to that. And then
actually Mario, I don't want to let this opportunity go without you sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ
because you're an evangelist and I feel it rising and there's got to be somebody that's watching
this that needs to hear that, that hasn't heard that before. So go ahead, Mario. Let's start with
this. Step by step in the book, I talk about, I've got a chapter of you belong at the table of
influence and I show you how to determine how you belong at the table of influence. You shouldn't be
ashamed. And secondly, how the passion is itself, the promise of its fulfillment. Jesus said,
blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they shall be filled. The fact
is God wouldn't give you the hunger if he wasn't going to fulfill it. So the idea that I'm not
qualified, I don't know how to take my turn. I don't know what to do. That education, that process
of learning, the available knowledge. Listen, God threw me in the 20th year of my life. I was tossed
into the white water of the University of California at Berkeley. I didn't understand what college was,
let alone to witness and convert the literally 1% intellectual community of the world,
the students at the University of California at Berkeley. During riots, during a revolution,
I had no idea. I lived in a tool shed and I thought to myself, I am never going to be capable of doing
this. Now listen, faithfulness is the key. Paul said, because God saw I was faithful, he made me able.
Because I was faithful, he made me able. He said that to Timothy. I don't hire talent.
I hire faithfulness because you can add talent to faithfulness, but you cannot necessarily
add faithfulness to talent. And so here comes the reason. You're hungry, God's going to give you the
skills. Secondly, you belong. Elijah understood. And like I want to read something real quick.
Yes, please. So here comes Ahab. Ahab says what he sees, Elijah says, is that you, O troubler of
Israel, and Elijah says, I'm not the one causing the trouble. You are. Well, I want to show you how
that works. This is a quote, because I was accused of causing division and people that preach the
gospel are accused of causing division. But with this prophetic thing, I was accused of causing
division. This is an enormous quote. It's John Gresham Macon said this 100 years ago.
It is often said that the divided condition of Christendom is evil, and it is. But the evil
consists in the existence of the errors which cause the divisions and not at all in the
recognition of those errors when once they exist. He's simply saying, I didn't cause the division.
The false prophets did. Wow. The imbalance was caused by them. You can't blame. It's like
in the NFL. It's the guy that throws the second punch that gets the yellow flag always. So I'm
being penalized for introducing knowledge of an imbalance. But they divided the church when a
prophet led you away from the Bible, when a prophet led you away from your church, when a prophet
caused you to break up your marriage or relocate or to believe in fantasies that you were going to
see that distract you until every day now, like a drug, you got to hear from that prophet. I'm not
the one causing the division. They are. Similarly, that's how we answer woke. Don't call me a racist.
And we got to get rid of that idea. Oh, you know what? I'm sorry if you think I'm racist. I
probably am. I just haven't searched my own legacy long enough and deep enough to understand all the
evil that my people have done. That's all insanity. We have a right to be here. We have a right to.
And Elijah said, I'm not causing the trouble. You are. Then he put a demand on society. This is where
we're not doing the right thing. Most of all, we're not answering the culture. Who is Ben Shapiro is
Jordan Peterson is and what's happening. Millions are listening to at first. They were totally
rejected. They were called all kinds of names, but they withstood it because truth always leads
to the right outcome. They stole our lightning and our thunder. I'm not going to stand up in California
and tell them that wokeness works. I'm going to stand there and tell them, how long do you halt
between two opinions? If bail is God, then serve him. And if God is God, then serve him. And America
hasn't decided. They haven't rejected Christ. They haven't decided. And here's the thing.
Here's the important part that God wants a bold voice. He will not anoint timidity. He does not
favor the timid. He favors the bold. And he favors him from the sense that if I know
that the Bible is the word of God and the Holy Spirit is real, then I can stand in any forum,
in any place, whether it is the well of the Senate, whether it is on the news, CNN or an actual
television station, I am going to be able to stand there. See, people will say, what about these
preachers that get on the talk shows and all of a sudden they start him on around and apologizing.
Is there a hell? Is there not a hell? Give me an example. I'm showing you a God of love would never
create a hell. How could a God of love ever create a hell? And I look at them and I said,
you know which commandment you just broke by just saying that? And they go, no, what is it? It said,
you'll not have any graven images before me. How did I just create an idol? Because you just made
God in your own image. You think because you are incapable of imagining an eternal hell that God
is incapable of it. Well, you're not God and you don't think like God and you don't see sin the way
God sees it. And you see, here's what happens. Billy Graham, ladies and gentlemen, Billy Graham
knew what not to say. He also knew what to say and he knew how to say it. What was Billy Graham
doing? You know, one of the important things about telling the truth is you're not, I'm not
trying to convince you. I'm not trying to convince you. This is not my job. My job is to accurately
reflect what God has told me to say. So in my book, I say, look, if you will obey God and say what
the word of God is and nothing else, then it will have power. What Billy Graham did in what people
thought was a simplicity is he gave the Holy Spirit something to work with. He said one time,
it is a glorious mystery to me watching God take the gospel and drive it into the heart of people.
But see, God's not going to drive apology into the heart of people. He's not going to drive
mysticism into the heart of people or waffling or vagueness or long elongated justifications
for the unjustifiable. It is the direct preaching of the word of God that God will honor with
results. And that's, that's what I'm trying to say. Amen. Mario, would you invite people to come to
the knowledge of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior? See, this is what I want to do. And I
want every preacher listening to do this too, as well. I'm going to say a short prayer and then
I'm going to do exactly what you asked. Now, Father, in the name of Jesus, I ask you now
to let the words of my mouth honor you in their truth and in their life,
in Jesus' name. If I had three minutes left in my life to preach the gospel, what would I say?
First thing I would look at you and say is this. No one ever listened to be preached by accident.
It's always prearranged. The only reason you are able to hear my voice, and this is being carried
to you, is because God ordained it. And because of that, I have to be surgically accurate in what I
say to you about your soul. You have a soul and it will not die. Your body will, but your soul will
not. I do not know what it will be like to be separated from God for eternity. I don't know.
But I get an idea. Sometimes the only way you can tell how horrible something is,
is by observing the measures that someone will take to prevent them from experiencing that.
John 3.16 says, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,
so that we would not perish. What in the world are we being saved from that God the Father was
willing to bankrupt heaven and give the most precious possession of his heart, devastate
himself, the human race. So you see, then God did something in history that is equally powerful.
He absolutely proved that Christ rose from the dead. That is singularly the most important
Christian statement that will ever be made. In Acts 17, Paul said, and God furnished proof,
furnished proof by raising him from the dead so that we are without excuse. The Bible is telling
us that the act of Easter is so incontrovertible that he's capable of saying we are without excuse.
We're without excuse. None. Now, you're not only without excuse, you're without a reason for
delaying because today is the day of salvation. Look at me. Why would you wait? If you were told
that you had a disease and your doctor says you must take immediate action to deal with this,
why would you wait? You don't wait to get out from in front of a locomotive that's about to run over
you. You don't wait to decide. There's nothing to think about here. There's nothing to go and say,
well, you know, I'm going to consider Christianity. No. What you do is you decide now.
You say, Mari, why are you so adamant? Why are you so adamant? Because of a word in the Bible,
and I'm going to finish with this. It says the word compel. In the original language,
that is the most intense form of attempting to exhort someone to do something. So one day you
wake up and you look on your cell phone and there's an amber alert with a picture of a 10-year-old
girl that's missing. So you're driving to the store to buy something. It's about sunset and you
look and you see that girl that's on your phone sitting on a swing by herself. For some reason,
her captor has left her alone just long enough for you to intervene. What are you going to do?
You know, walk up to her and say, you need to think about going home. You need to think about
being back in the safety of your parents' arms. You need to consider what I say. Hey, wouldn't it
be nice? And you're not going to be polite. You're going to say, young lady, you are getting in my
car right now. We're going directly to the police department and tonight you'll be back in your own
bed. That's the way I feel about you. I feel that I need to tell you that you have been
under the slavery of a captive that has caused you in ways to maybe develop habits, relationships,
emotions, and destructive feelings that have allowed you not to know so much about yourself.
You have to know someone that died for you on the cross and rose again. So you need to turn to him
right now. And people love to complicate it. What do you do? You say, yes, Jesus. And you don't say,
Jesus, please be my temporary cure, my kind of relief over what I'm going through. You say,
Lord, this is it. I've come to reality. There's no option. You're the one. You're the one who can
change me. You're the only one that can make me well and make me to do. And finally, you get to
do what you were born to do. Imagine that. The greatest frustration of life is knowing why you're
here. Why are you here? What are you here to do? You can't know that until you know the individual
that instilled that purpose, the one who selected your plan, the one who hardwired you to live for
a certain reason. And when you do, there's nothing like it. Amen. Amen. Amen. Mario, thank you so
much. I'm almost speechless when it comes to just the vigor that I feel in my spirit as you were
explaining about that little girl that needed to be saved. And we need to have that same way
that we look at the loss that way. I mean, that really put flesh on that. I mean, obviously,
there's already flesh on people that need to be saved. But Mario, I just want to encourage
everybody that's watching that you need to get a copy of It's Our Turn Now. This book will
inspire you. It will give you a good plan to take your next step to not only make a difference in
the world, but to find your purpose. Because when you find your purpose and your identity in Christ,
it's almost a foregone conclusion that you will start to making an impact in this world. Because
when you put your identity in Christ and who he is, you match up your purpose with his purpose and
call for your life. You will see America changed. You will see your country, your neighborhood,
your family changed. And Mario, thank you so, so much for taking the time to... We've covered a
lot of ground in this conversation. Everything from dealing with the prophetic distractions
to dealing with how to change and go after our world today, because now is the time. Mario,
thank you so much for writing this book. Thank you so much for standing for truth.
And thank you so much for preaching the gospel unashamed. It's a pleasure to have you here on
the Charisma News show. Thank you for the opportunity. It's an honor. God bless you.
God bless you.