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You know that moment when you walk out of the

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salon feeling fabulous and then three hours later

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your hair has given up on life? If you're in

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your 40s and stuck between I want a fresh look

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and I don't want to regret these bangs for six

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months, this episode is for you. We're talking

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scalp detoxing, climate -proof styles, Gen Z

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eye rolls, and whether going gray can actually

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be a power move. So let's get into it. because

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your hair deserves better than dry ends and dated

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advice. And if you feel more fabulous after this

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episode, why not share it with a friend and subscribe

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to the 40s Formula for more great tips. Tony

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Ovenden is a London -born hairstylist and the

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founder of Love Hair, a sustainable boutique

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salon concept with locations in Hong Kong and

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Singapore. With over two decades of experience

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behind the chair, Tony brings a refreshingly

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honest and health -first approach to beauty,

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one that prioritizes scalp wellness, ecoconscious

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choices, and empowering women to feel confident

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in their hair at every age. As a business owner,

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mother, and creative force, Tony is passionate

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about helping women reinvent their look without

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losing themselves, proving that great hair doesn't

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have to mean high maintenance or high toxins.

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The 40s Formula. The 40s Formula. The 40s Formula.

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is your no fluff science meets real life guide

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to thriving in your 40s So welcome, Toni. Thank

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you for joining us today. Yeah, thank you for

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having me. It's my first podcast, so. Well, we

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welcome you. We are proud to have you as the

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first podcast. That makes our day. Talk to me

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about age appropriate hair. Is that something

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that even exists in 2025? Is that a rule? I think

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rather than age appropriate hair, it's more about

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what's appropriate for you and personalizing

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it to you. So I don't think we should put ourselves

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in boxes or categories because I think sometimes.

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um as women it's kind of feeling like how you

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feel on the inside comes out on the outside and

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if you go outside you have power dressing and

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you have all the you know the days that you're

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on your period and you feel rubbish then you

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just want to put jeans and a big baggy top on

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so it's good yeah i think it's it relates to

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the same in hair on those days where you just

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want to scrape it up yeah yeah like like today

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and it was you're busy so lovely Yeah, you're

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busy, but there's scraping up and then there's

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like a power pony. So putting it up isn't always

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like a negative thing. And I think we were discussing

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that earlier. You were saying, okay, you've worn

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your hair down today. Yeah, I was apologizing

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to Tony for having, you know, trying to do something

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nice for her. Yeah, but I think. But wearing

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it up can also be powerful. It just depends how

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you put it up and the effort you've put into

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it. Yeah, my sister always says, because my norm

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is either the pony or like a high bun, but not

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a cute, nice, you know, like messy bun. I mean,

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it's messy, but it's not a cute messy bun. It's

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like a messy, messy bun. And she calls me a trunchbull.

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She's like, oh, you've got your trunchbull going

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on. Oh, first word. I know. But it's probably

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because I haven't really put effort in. It literally

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is just up and twisted round. Those messy buns

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look amazing, but it doesn't feel like low effort.

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Well, think about how many names that one style

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has, you know, throughout the different stages

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of your life. You've got mumbun. Yeah. Even that

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one style, it's the same style, evolves with

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a name related to that stage of your life and

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how it makes you feel and what it's connected

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to. So it always comes back to how you're feeling

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and how you want to portray yourself to the world

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and go outside. So I say your hair is attached

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to your face and you wear it every single day.

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So true. If you're going to invest in anything

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related to image, hair is a good place to start.

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Because I know for myself, if I go out and I've

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just scraped it up and it's greasy, I feel slightly

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less confident and I kind of don't want to run

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into people. You know, you have a different almost

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like feeling about yourself, whereas you feel

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put together. And a lot of women who come to.

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The salon and they talk about, I just want to

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feel put together. I don't want to go outside

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and feel. disheveled you know um i think it affects

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your confidence levels and how you're presenting

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yourself um so it can really help and i think

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mum buns are great it's just again like learning

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what is a quick tip for you to make it look a

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bit more polished so what is that quick tip if

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i don't want to look super messy but like legitimately

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there's no way i can put waves in my hair every

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day yeah we turn it into the power bun Rather

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than a power pony, you're just making sure it's

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sleek. You're using a bit of product to make

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sure you don't have the fuzzy flyaways. Do I

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have fuzzy flyaways today? Not at all. You don't.

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It's so sleek. You've done a great job. You've

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nailed it today. Today. Only today. So it's just

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like the small details that make it look put

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together and purposeful rather than I've just

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thrown my hair in a bun. I'm embarrassed to admit

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this. Maybe I shouldn't be. Maybe I should. But,

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you know, the when you. When you watch the show,

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I think it was called Toddlers and Tiaras. Yeah.

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When they always have those really sleek buns.

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Super sleek. And they use the hair stick. Yeah.

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Sister girl went and bought some hair stick.

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Okay, what's that? And that thing is amazing.

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What's hair stick? It is literally, it looks

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like deodorant stick. Okay. And it just slicks

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back the formways so that everything just stays

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in place. But does it make your hair look greasy?

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No, it does not. I mean, it's like for kids.

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Oh. And I guess everything goes back to... your

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your individual hair because everyone has different

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hair type what is right for one person is not

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going to be the same product that's right for

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somebody else so I think it's getting the advice

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specifically to you as well and that's what your

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hairdresser will do they'll give you the the

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advice and the consultation to make sure it's

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personalized okay talking about personalized

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I'm I'm just gonna say it I've been going through

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the gray blending yes because I've got too many

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greys. I can't keep up with the bloody roots.

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It just takes way too long. I started it last

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year. You can see it from here. I love this colour

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here. But the issue that I have is when the roots

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start coming through. So I'm using a blending

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brush in between getting the grey blending done.

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It's long. I mean, I like it when it's fresh

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out of the salon, as obviously everyone does.

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Like, what are your thoughts on it? Do you think

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that this is a good move? Like when you do start

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to go grey? Yeah. Because having those like,

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you know, the block. The block of roots. Well,

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I think that's the vicious cycle people end up

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going into. So one, I think it's, again, individual.

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Some people like to embrace their greys. Some

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people are happy to see a few greys shimmering

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through. And some people just want 100 % coverage.

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But as you get greyer. that becomes more challenging,

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which is probably where you were at. Yeah. Where

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then you have kind of the harsh regrowth. Yeah.

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And then you become a slave to your own roots.

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And I think that's what becomes really challenging

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is that you have to then have your roots done.

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Some people come in every three weeks. Oh, no.

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Mine is like every two weeks. So now, because

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I'm just obviously going for the grey blending,

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I've got this thing called the blending brush.

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Yeah. So every, I don't know, couple of days,

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I'll just re... But it's a washout thing because

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the issue I don't want to fall into, which is

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the mistake I made, was when I started the grey

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blending initially and then decided to not do

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it anymore, I started using permanent hair colour,

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which meant that it ruins the colour of the hair.

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So now I've got some orange bits. So I need to

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grow that out and have like a non -permanent

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thing in between. Is the blending brush like

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a henna situation? It's a commitment. I think

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that's the thing. colouring greys there is a

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commitment involved so it's never low it's never

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super low maintenance but I think grey blending

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the goal is to make it slightly less low maintenance

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than having to have your roots done every three

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weeks so what I would say is at the beginning

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it's a bigger job because you've got to go through

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that process of taking out the demarcation line

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of the permanent colour because that's the thing

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that's you know, you're ending up committing

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to. And then getting used to seeing the greys

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at the same time. So getting people kind of comfortable

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of not having that kind of zebra stripe that's

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there. But being like, actually, I don't mind

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seeing some greys. I don't have to completely

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cover them. And that's kind of empowering in

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a way. It's like, again, it's how society sees

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you, how you see yourself, what makes you still

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feel confident. Because some people just hate

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them. They don't want to see them. And permanent

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colour is the right solution. And some people

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who might have high power jobs or might be filmed

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a lot, lots of different reasons. They're like,

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I don't want to see any grey. Yeah, I mean, it's

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hard. And then I've got my kids who are like,

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Mummy, why is it that you've got so many more

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greys than Daddy? I'm like, well, I've got more

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hair than him. That is the correct answer, by

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the way. I think the first question was about

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age. And I think rather than age appropriate,

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it's personality appropriate. So take age away

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from it. There's not one style anymore either.

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Like once upon a time, you'd fit into a box of

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like, you know, you're a goth or you're trendy

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or you're sporty. Whereas now everyone kind of

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goes between those. Like I know for me on a daily

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basis, I don't have one particular style. So

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I think now people evolve and it's more fun.

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And I think you can have more fun with your hair

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rather than it being like, oh, I'm this age,

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so I can only have this. So given that we've

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talked a lot about age appropriateness doesn't

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really exist then because it obviously is personal

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appropriate. And we've also talked about kind

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of effort. Right. Like what is the difference

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or what is the line between I'm trying too hard.

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I need to have a perfect blowout every single

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day. Yeah. And I'm stuck in the past or stuck

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looking like you said, like women don't want

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to look unkempt, messy, you know, like out of

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out of source. What is the stylish but timeless

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look that we're all looking for? I think the

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main things are having healthy hair because if

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your hair isn't healthy, it looks rubbish. No

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matter what you do to it, if it looks frazzled

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on the ends or it looks dry, it doesn't matter

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what else you're doing to it, then it's not going

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to present well. So healthy hair in any style

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is really important. I think if you think about...

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how everybody is evolving and now we have social

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media and everything everyone is influenced and

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trying to stay young forever so i think actually

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people are less likely to be stuck in the past

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anymore it's rare that you see someone who's

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had the same hairstyle for 20 years i think people

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are more open to changing yeah the only thing

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i'd say is when you're most people experiment

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when they're younger In their younger years,

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they're like, oh, I've tried this, I've had that,

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and you learn what works and doesn't work for

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you. So as you get older, you're less likely

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to make the same big mistakes that you made when

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you were younger. And for our listeners that

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are younger, experiment now, ladies, while you

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have youth and beauty on your side. Well, that's

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the fun of it, right? It's the fun of hair and

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style. I think it should always be an involvement

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throughout your life. You mentioned healthy hair

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as one of the keys to kind of ageless and timeless

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hair. And I think that's a beautiful segue into

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one of our favorite segments, which is Fuel Your

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40s, sponsored by The Meat Club. The Meat Club

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has given us a question for you, my dear, in

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your area of expertise. How do you feel that

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protein -forward nutrition can support healthy

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hair? And are there specific foods that you recommend

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for healthy hair? Well, I think everything goes

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back to internal, doesn't it? When you're going

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through menopause or perimenopause, your estrogen

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and progesterone levels are dropping, which then

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affects the pH level and the health of your scalp,

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which then affects your hair. So internally,

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as they're dropping, I guess it's good to eat

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foods that are, I know seeds and things like

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that. I think protein. I mean, obviously I'm

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not a nutritionist, but I think it's just, it

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all comes back to. all the symptoms you might

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be facing through menopause are all fueled by

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sleep, diet, medication. So all those things

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still come into it because part of perimenopause

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and menopause is you start to potentially have

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hair loss, a dry scalp, more product sensitivity,

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and then all of those things that can help come

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from within. Yeah, I know it. Like since going

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through it. Okay, so a couple of things. The

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menopause, being in Singapore, my hair is a fucking

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mess. Like, you know, the humidity and then obviously

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now the dry. I used to have really silky hair.

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Like I could not put a rubber band in my hair

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because it would just slip out. Now it's like,

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you know, just it's there and the hair's frizzy.

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I have to use a hair straightener. What can we

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do in this climate, in this age range? Like help

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me sort my hair out. So I think. A healthy scalp

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because everything comes from the scalp. So we're

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talking about, okay, the internal things, but

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then where does the hair grow from? So making

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sure that you have a healthy scalp. And then

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dependent on the climax, obviously here it's

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humid. So hair gets frizzy quite often. Is that...

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There are things like smoothing treatments. So,

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again, if you want to have that well -turned

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-out look and you don't have to battle the frizz

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every day, then a smoothing treatment is always

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useful. Do they damage the hair? Yeah. Is that

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keratin? Is that a keyword? A whole range of

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products out there. So there's thousands of different

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products. We choose to use Behave because it's

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chemical free. It's from a natural keratin from

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sheep's wool. So you don't have all those. It

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doesn't have formaldehyde or any of those toxic

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chemicals in it. And it just coats the hair?

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And it just coats the hair. So it's not meant

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to go on the scalp. It's purely for the hair.

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So that's something that's coating it. And the

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hair is made of keratin. So effectively you're

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putting something that the hair is made of. on

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top, outside to seal it in. And that's what keeps

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it smooth. Because then you've got the grey hairs,

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haven't you? The ones that are like wiry and

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pop up. Because that's the other challenge with

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greys. They have a different texture. So that's

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why they stand out from the rest of your hair

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because they're more wiry and coarse and then

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they have no pigmentation left. So that's why

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they're harder. So there's also some science

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behind obviously the scalp and hair and going

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through the hormone changes. And part of the

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grey hair has lost all of its pigmentation. So

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all the cuticles close and then it becomes kind

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of harder and coarser. And sometimes even when

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colouring greys, the colour will cover. But over

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time, the greys become more resistant. And even

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the permanent colour sometimes doesn't always

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colour. So basically gray blending is inevitable.

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It's going to have to turn into gray hair. Yeah.

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And you've talked so much about scalp wellness.

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And I think that's something we don't think about.

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We think about healthy hair, like you said. We

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think about keratin treatments to smooth the

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hair. But what are we missing about the scalp?

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So I think scalp is a lot of people overwash

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their hair in Singapore because it's hot and

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people exercise a lot. That's so weird because

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every time I've been somewhere, they will say.

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you need to wash your hair every day. I'm like,

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I haven't got the time to fucking wash my hair

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every day. Yeah, don't come at the reality. But

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so you're saying actually that over -washing

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can be a problem for your scalp? Well, your scalp

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produces natural sebum, which will moisturise

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your hair. So if you're washing it every day,

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it doesn't have a chance to actually secrete

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down the hair, and that's why your hair gets

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greasy. That's the natural oils which are doing...

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your body's natural job of moisturizing the hair

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itself. So if you wash it, some people wash it

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twice a day. Yeah, that's very common here. It

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just does not have the chance. So that's why

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we need our slick back ponies and our buns because

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actually... I'm just giving my hair a treatment

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is what you're saying. We just utilize the grease

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and let it just have that day where you do slick

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it back and you just give it a rest from washing

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it. Second thing here is the water's really hard.

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So it's got lots of chemicals in it. And you

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can go onto the government websites, you can

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see what's in different countries' water. And

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here it's very high in chemicals, high in chlorine.

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So a filter is really, really useful because

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it just builds up in your shower. Natalie Dow

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uses one of those. I remember her years ago telling

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me it was a game changer. And is this the sort

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of thing that, because I remember seeing people

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getting like these vitamin C shower heads. You

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can just buy them on Lazada, anywhere. Yeah,

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I mean, just I don't think it even matters because

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there's so many out there. And I did go into

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a rabbit hole of doing some research when I first

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moved here. Honestly, even as a hairdresser,

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I was like I couldn't really differentiate rhyme

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or reason which was better than the other. It

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kind of was like I think just anything that's

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going to filter out the toxins that come from

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the water. Give us like the literal Google term

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or, you know, Lizada search term like mineral

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filtration. Just shower filter head. Okay. Shower

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filter head, listeners. It's three words. Loads

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will come up. Okay. Wow. There's so much choice.

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That is what I'm doing this afternoon. It's 100

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% going to change my world. And anything is better

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than nothing. Yeah. Okay. So I think, especially

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for blondes, blondes tend to go dull over time.

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And sometimes I'll do someone's hair and it's

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all bright and creamy and lovely. And then they

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come back and I'm like, what's happened to your

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hair in between? Blondes tend to suck up. everything

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around them anyway because obviously it's light

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so it's a bit like if you stood on the side of

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a motorway in a white t -shirt it would go gray

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yeah um and it's the same with blonde hair it

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kind of sucks up all the things around it so

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um but the water is a big part of that so filtering

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definitely helps what about these like blue shampoos

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purple shampoos i know that What other colours

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there are? Do they help as well? They can help.

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So specifically a purple shampoo helps yellow.

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So if your blonde is going yellow, then a purple

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shampoo. But overusing it will also build up

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on the hair. So we always instruct our clients,

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don't start even using them until you're blonde.

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Like your tone is fading out and you start to

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see the yellow coming in. And then once a week

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is usually enough. Some people use it every wash

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and then they end up with dark, dull, Almost

00:18:44.269 --> 00:18:48.369
like grey, flat hair. Because ash takes away

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light. So it makes blondes look really dull.

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So overusing it, actually. creates a problem

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for the next time you're coloring it so you've

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got to be really careful that validates me by

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the way because that's exactly what i do it's

00:19:00.329 --> 00:19:01.950
like when i got fresh hair i just let her rip

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right because i just got it toned up and everything

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and then toward the end when the brassiness does

00:19:05.849 --> 00:19:07.930
start to set in then yeah i do once a week with

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my purple shampoo and it's not cheap by the way

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so it's not something that you want to use every

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day just for the end my kids know because of

00:19:15.930 --> 00:19:17.829
course it's like it's like my kids have laser

00:19:17.829 --> 00:19:19.470
focus on it in the bathtub they're like i want

00:19:19.470 --> 00:19:21.069
to squeeze this because it's bright purple i

00:19:21.069 --> 00:19:24.069
was like you don't Mama's purple shampoo. Okay?

00:19:24.210 --> 00:19:26.609
They know. They know. This time of year gets

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so chaotic. School holidays, parties, work deadlines.

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Mostly me running around trying to remember where

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I hid the kids' presents. Same. So I've decided

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that December is officially my self -care season.

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00:19:45.109 --> 00:19:47.549
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you're big on sustainability, right? And I think

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that is not, to be honest, that is not something

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I think all of us think about with our hair care.

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We think about what works, what keeps the frizz

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down, what keeps the curls in, whatever it may

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be. But we don't think about sustainability.

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And I think part of it is not because we don't

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want to, because we truly do not know what to

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look for. How do we assess a product to know

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if it's sustainable, if it's non -toxic? Like

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what should we be looking for? Well, I think

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there's different, you've got the... ingredients

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and then obviously how they're sourced so the

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packaging that the brands that you choose to

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use um so we choose brands that are aligned with

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our ethos um but i think as a kind of consumer

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uh you're kind of looking at because there's

00:20:52.019 --> 00:20:54.140
lots of buzzwords around it sometimes can get

00:20:54.140 --> 00:20:58.079
confusing and every brand now has like a sulfate

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free version um because they want to jump on

00:21:00.819 --> 00:21:03.099
the bandwagon but then what's replacing that

00:21:04.229 --> 00:21:07.150
Another kind of buzzword of people they don't

00:21:07.150 --> 00:21:14.170
want to have in their products is silicones.

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So silicones, but you can get natural silicones.

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So it's making sure, is it a naturally derived

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silicone or is it a synthetic silicone? Because

00:21:21.849 --> 00:21:23.329
again, that would just build up on your hair

00:21:23.329 --> 00:21:25.630
and create a barrier. for you, which makes it

00:21:25.630 --> 00:21:27.990
dull. And then harder for when you are using

00:21:27.990 --> 00:21:29.509
the expensive products that you've purchased,

00:21:29.630 --> 00:21:31.970
they can't penetrate into the hair because they've

00:21:31.970 --> 00:21:35.430
got so much buildup of silicone on top. So yeah,

00:21:35.529 --> 00:21:39.250
so choosing brands that fit and like really reading

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the ingredients list. There are apps now that

00:21:41.769 --> 00:21:43.410
you can use where you can scan your product.

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Is that the Think Dirty or something? Yeah, Think

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Dirty's one. And then it tells you exactly what's

00:21:48.250 --> 00:21:50.809
in it, if it's red, orange or green. So that's

00:21:50.809 --> 00:21:55.400
really useful. um from a sustainable factor for

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us it's more also about uh reducing our waste

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so we just do small things like we use the gloves

00:22:02.180 --> 00:22:04.880
that we we use every day and we wash them and

00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.720
we dry them so it's all the small things i think

00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.900
that really make the difference um but as a consumer

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you're also thinking about um how can i like

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can i take this back can i refill it there's

00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:22.880
so many different aspects of being environmentally

00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.680
conscious or low chemical and i love that in

00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:27.519
makeup too i mean a lot of makeup brands now

00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:29.220
are doing the refillables yeah and it makes so

00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:30.539
much sense because i mean honestly you've got

00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:32.619
these beautiful compacts yeah and you almost

00:22:32.619 --> 00:22:34.500
feel guilty throwing it away i don't want to

00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:36.420
throw it away but yeah what do i do with it yeah

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i need to have a refill option we have a program

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where if you bring back your empties we'll give

00:22:40.700 --> 00:22:43.059
you a discount on your next purchase you like

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the mac of hair into uh the recycling rather

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than just going to the normal waste oh amazing

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that's so cool and that's something that business

00:22:50.869 --> 00:22:53.930
owners can do right is incentivize your customers

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to kind of follow your sustainable practices

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i love that yeah i was given um some shampoo

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and it was the powdered shampoo yes what's your

00:23:02.210 --> 00:23:06.710
thoughts on that i use the powder body wash which

00:23:06.710 --> 00:23:10.690
i love um i think for hair so you have two brackets

00:23:10.690 --> 00:23:13.420
of hair products there'll be You can go into

00:23:13.420 --> 00:23:15.380
iHerb as an example and you can buy something

00:23:15.380 --> 00:23:18.700
that's very natural. But is it a salon standard

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product that's actually going to do, because

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when I've used them, because I've tried everything,

00:23:23.299 --> 00:23:25.839
because we're sourcing things for the salon,

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I want to always make sure I've kind of tried

00:23:28.579 --> 00:23:32.099
everything there is out there. And they just

00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:34.819
leave my hair feeling really dry. Yeah. And they're

00:23:34.819 --> 00:23:36.599
not giving the hair the things that it needs

00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:38.980
to actually feel good, but also use less chemicals.

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So I think when you go to standard of salon quality

00:23:42.579 --> 00:23:44.740
products, then you're going to get a good result

00:23:44.740 --> 00:23:47.339
at the same time as being able to reduce the

00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:49.460
chemical load. And that's good to know, because

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I think some of us like we will try the natural

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products. Like I always think about natural deodorant.

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Like, it just does not work for me. To be fair,

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I'm still on the search for natural deodorant.

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I've been searching for like 10 years. Yeah,

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so listeners, if you have any, leave it in the

00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:06.160
comments if you've got a good deodorant that

00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.140
actually works. It works until you exercise and

00:24:08.140 --> 00:24:10.559
it's like, fuck now. Or until you walk from Starbucks

00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.700
to here, for example. Well, because I work. With

00:24:13.700 --> 00:24:16.480
my arms over people all day, so I can't risk

00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:20.839
smelling. You definitely can't risk it. So you've

00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:23.400
seen thousands of clients in your salons. Can

00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.079
you share with us an over 40 transformation where

00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:29.519
someone came into your salon, just feeling exactly

00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:31.059
like what you said in the beginning of this interview,

00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:33.180
you know, just kind of like, oh, I don't look

00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:35.519
put together. And then walked out of your salon,

00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:40.269
a brand new woman. So many. I think it's really

00:24:40.269 --> 00:24:44.289
going back to that consultation aspect, analysing

00:24:44.289 --> 00:24:46.769
their face shape and making sure you have a haircut

00:24:46.769 --> 00:24:49.369
that's going to complement your face shape. We

00:24:49.369 --> 00:24:52.200
always say the perfect face shape is oval. So

00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.400
whatever your haircut does, you're meant to leave

00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.059
the illusion of an oval behind. That's interesting.

00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.880
So, for example, I've got a square face. So for

00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.160
me, the width of my forehead and my jaw is the

00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:08.119
same, which makes it square. So I wave my hair

00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:10.759
quite a lot because it softens the edges of the

00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:14.900
square. wear my hair slightly offside because

00:25:14.900 --> 00:25:17.000
if I wear it in the centre then it accentuates

00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.500
that. Whereas what I do is if it's slightly on

00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:21.660
the side it takes away this corner effectively.

00:25:21.980 --> 00:25:25.440
Oh that's so clever. So you're always leaving

00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.660
the illusion behind as much as you can of an

00:25:28.660 --> 00:25:31.349
oval silhouette. through the shape if you are

00:25:31.349 --> 00:25:33.309
listening to this on spotify or apple by the

00:25:33.309 --> 00:25:35.470
way go listen to it on youtube now so you can

00:25:35.470 --> 00:25:38.009
see what what tony just did with her hair amazing

00:25:38.009 --> 00:25:40.430
and same if you've got round face you don't want

00:25:40.430 --> 00:25:42.309
a round haircut because that's going to make

00:25:42.309 --> 00:25:44.170
it look rounder you want something that's actually

00:25:44.170 --> 00:25:47.109
got lines but it takes off the roundness so that

00:25:47.109 --> 00:25:50.170
would be like a sleek straight look doesn't necessarily

00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:52.750
have to be straight okay but it just needs to

00:25:52.750 --> 00:25:55.509
be a square haircut so actually a really square

00:25:55.509 --> 00:25:58.769
blunt bob which most women, 95 % of women will

00:25:58.769 --> 00:26:00.690
come and sit in the chair and say, I've got a

00:26:00.690 --> 00:26:03.910
round face. And that's how women see themselves.

00:26:04.190 --> 00:26:07.130
Everyone thinks I have a round face. And actually

00:26:07.130 --> 00:26:08.869
when you break it down for them, most people

00:26:08.869 --> 00:26:10.890
don't have a round face. Interesting. And then

00:26:10.890 --> 00:26:12.609
they go, I can't have this haircut because it's

00:26:12.609 --> 00:26:14.910
going to make my face look rounder. I'm like,

00:26:14.950 --> 00:26:17.609
you don't even have a round face. So it's interesting

00:26:17.609 --> 00:26:20.069
how we always perceive ourselves because when

00:26:20.069 --> 00:26:22.579
we look at our own face, we just see. Our face.

00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:24.220
All right, Tony, what do you see in these faces?

00:26:24.299 --> 00:26:26.140
Yeah. What we got going on? I think you actually

00:26:26.140 --> 00:26:28.619
have the perfect oval face. I always thought

00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:31.059
I had a long face, like a horse face. No. No.

00:26:31.579 --> 00:26:38.839
I always thought it was ovular, but long. Not

00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.900
too long, no. And I think mine's square. You're

00:26:41.900 --> 00:26:44.640
more square. Yeah. So for you, you wouldn't want

00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:47.539
like a square, blunt bob, especially around the

00:26:47.539 --> 00:26:49.980
jawline. So that's why mine always kind of sit

00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:53.569
chin and below. I don't really go up here because

00:26:53.569 --> 00:26:56.630
it would accentuate that squareness. One of the

00:26:56.630 --> 00:26:58.430
things I did, actually, this is quite funny,

00:26:58.509 --> 00:27:01.430
I took a photo of myself on Uplager and to chat

00:27:01.430 --> 00:27:04.769
GPT and I said, what's the best haircut for my

00:27:04.769 --> 00:27:07.589
face? Look at my face. And it gave me something

00:27:07.589 --> 00:27:10.630
which is really funny, which I used to have when

00:27:10.630 --> 00:27:14.230
I was much younger, in my 20s. In fact, I remember

00:27:14.230 --> 00:27:16.269
when I had that done, Amun, who was my boyfriend

00:27:16.269 --> 00:27:18.230
at the time, now my husband, he actually said

00:27:18.230 --> 00:27:21.240
to me, like that was for him he thought that

00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.299
was the best haircut i'd ever had yeah you know

00:27:23.299 --> 00:27:25.940
like yeah what was it so it was like it was like

00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:29.200
side um fringe because i can't say bangs and

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.220
then like that was taking off your corners yeah

00:27:31.220 --> 00:27:33.559
and then like layers and then kind of just like

00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:35.920
up to here but like larry and stuff and i was

00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.059
like oh that looks cool but i'm 40 now and you

00:27:39.059 --> 00:27:41.420
know can you have a fringe with gray hair like

00:27:41.420 --> 00:27:45.299
you know you can you can yeah why not What about

00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:47.539
fringe then? Why would grey hair relate to the

00:27:47.539 --> 00:27:50.299
style? Because I feel like it would be, would

00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:52.099
it be like, my fringe would be grey, but the

00:27:52.099 --> 00:27:53.740
rest of my hair might still be a little bit dark.

00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.680
Would it just look a bit off? And then, you know,

00:27:56.700 --> 00:27:58.799
at this age, I know you said age doesn't matter.

00:27:59.019 --> 00:28:03.079
Yeah. But, you know, can I have a fringe? I think

00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.220
here it's challenging for fringes because it's

00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:07.240
so hot. Yes. You end up stuck to your fringe.

00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:08.920
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's why I refuse to cut my

00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:10.859
hair off. I actually try to, if people, someone

00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:13.829
wants them coming. comes in wanting a full fringe

00:28:13.829 --> 00:28:16.670
i'd usually say that's quite a lot of maintenance

00:28:16.670 --> 00:28:20.069
and it is hard to manage with the heat here but

00:28:20.069 --> 00:28:22.769
sweeping side fringe isn't seen directly on the

00:28:22.769 --> 00:28:26.230
skin yeah so it's framing so again with the sweeping

00:28:26.230 --> 00:28:29.170
side fringe is what is the goal of a sweeping

00:28:29.170 --> 00:28:32.690
side fringe is create shape you can go to the

00:28:32.690 --> 00:28:35.950
eyebrow and you open up shape here yeah you can

00:28:35.950 --> 00:28:39.009
have it to the cheekbone and you create an opening

00:28:39.009 --> 00:28:41.589
here yeah it was exactly that was exactly what

00:28:41.589 --> 00:28:45.089
that yeah so what that was doing was again we'd

00:28:45.089 --> 00:28:48.130
go back to your like square shape yeah the sweeping

00:28:48.130 --> 00:28:50.430
fringe is taking off the corners of your square

00:28:50.430 --> 00:28:55.720
to leave the top of the oval and then Some people

00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.440
as well, you can go to jaw and it creates an

00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.160
opening here so that it can soften that area

00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.220
rather than it feeling like it's hanging and

00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:04.779
going straight. Some people say, oh, my hair

00:29:04.779 --> 00:29:08.400
just hangs down. It's got no shape. So the whole

00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.920
point of a side fringe is to create shape and

00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.519
opens and you use it to your advantage. It's

00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:17.240
also maintenance, isn't it? Because you then

00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.589
have to style that fringe to get it. blowing

00:29:19.589 --> 00:29:21.170
in the right direction because i can just imagine

00:29:21.170 --> 00:29:23.109
if i did it yeah the first day it would be like

00:29:23.109 --> 00:29:26.990
beautiful symmetrical and then the next day it'll

00:29:26.990 --> 00:29:30.789
be like going like one way well if it goes both

00:29:30.789 --> 00:29:33.170
ways and it's versatile it doesn't matter where

00:29:33.170 --> 00:29:35.470
you party okay so if you have a versatile fringe

00:29:35.470 --> 00:29:38.740
cut in You can wear it in any parting. So if

00:29:38.740 --> 00:29:40.700
it's not playing ball with you and it's not going

00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:42.880
in the center where it went the day before, it

00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:46.180
should still sit well. And imagine you wore your

00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:48.140
hair up today as you are, but you had a fringe

00:29:48.140 --> 00:29:51.279
and you had to spend one extra minute just blow

00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.740
drying your fringe. Is it only one minute? It

00:29:53.740 --> 00:29:56.440
only takes like a minute. It's probably the easiest

00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:58.299
part of the blow dry, right? And I teach people

00:29:58.299 --> 00:30:00.619
how to blow dry their fringes all the time. I

00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:02.900
always say to them, even if you just blow dry

00:30:02.900 --> 00:30:05.740
the fringe. That's enough? That is enough. Because

00:30:05.740 --> 00:30:09.920
as long as that on your face feels good, it doesn't

00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:11.259
really matter what the rest of it's doing. Because

00:30:11.259 --> 00:30:13.380
I feel like I'd end up getting bobby pins and

00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:16.819
be like, let's stick it back in. Yeah, but if

00:30:16.819 --> 00:30:19.480
you're not going to style it, but that's why

00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:21.799
what is your routine, how much time are you prepared

00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:23.779
to put into styling your hair is really important.

00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.819
Again, as part of that conversation at the beginning,

00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:29.339
don't give someone something they can't maintain.

00:30:29.619 --> 00:30:32.000
If they're not prepared to put in any time or

00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.549
they don't have the time. And the same for me

00:30:35.549 --> 00:30:37.710
is I've got three kids, I'm running around, I

00:30:37.710 --> 00:30:40.650
don't always have time to style my hair, then

00:30:40.650 --> 00:30:42.170
it's not going to work and then you don't give

00:30:42.170 --> 00:30:44.390
that person. And that's why the communication

00:30:44.390 --> 00:30:46.990
is so important because I always say you can

00:30:46.990 --> 00:30:48.910
go into a salon and say, can I have this haircut?

00:30:49.849 --> 00:30:51.890
And many stylists will cut you that haircut.

00:30:52.769 --> 00:30:55.910
Does it suit you? Are you going to be able to

00:30:55.910 --> 00:30:57.329
manage it? And what's it going to look like on

00:30:57.329 --> 00:30:59.730
a daily basis for you? So I think, again, it's

00:30:59.730 --> 00:31:01.809
just going back to what works for you and why

00:31:01.809 --> 00:31:06.349
it's so personal. So I think we're talking about

00:31:06.349 --> 00:31:08.529
face shape and haircut, making sure it suits

00:31:08.529 --> 00:31:11.710
you, and then colour. The biggest thing I see

00:31:11.710 --> 00:31:15.890
is it being the wrong tone. So are you a cool

00:31:15.890 --> 00:31:19.589
or are you a warm? And if your hair, which is

00:31:19.589 --> 00:31:21.930
surrounding your face, is the wrong tone for

00:31:21.930 --> 00:31:24.930
your skin type, it will make you look tired,

00:31:25.170 --> 00:31:27.670
it will make your skin look sallow, it will give

00:31:27.670 --> 00:31:31.089
you more shadows under your eyes, and it really

00:31:31.089 --> 00:31:34.640
can affect how you feel. And so I think, again,

00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.380
part of if you're having any colouring, just

00:31:36.380 --> 00:31:38.640
making sure it is the right tone. Does this grey

00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:42.140
then work for dark skin? Of course it can. Because

00:31:42.140 --> 00:31:44.299
it's natural, it's naturally going that way.

00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.980
It's just how you, if you're colouring it artificially,

00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:52.180
is the artificial colour that you're putting

00:31:52.180 --> 00:31:54.759
on there compatible? Ah, so is it the correct

00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:58.109
grey? Yeah. is it the correct tone yeah so warm

00:31:58.109 --> 00:32:02.029
or cool gray's never usually it sits in cool

00:32:02.029 --> 00:32:06.109
for sure um because it has no pigment no warmth

00:32:06.109 --> 00:32:10.250
left to it so what you want to be doing is making

00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:12.950
sure you're not putting warm also next to gray

00:32:12.950 --> 00:32:16.539
because they're incompatible tones So, like,

00:32:16.579 --> 00:32:18.480
can you explain what you mean by that then? Like,

00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.460
what would be a warm tone? So, if you had grey,

00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:25.299
like, say you were 60 % grey, so the grey was

00:32:25.299 --> 00:32:27.859
overtaking your natural hair colour, and you

00:32:27.859 --> 00:32:31.220
had less, say, dark and more grey, and then you

00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:33.299
were to put, like, a warm chocolate brown on

00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:37.720
it, a warm chocolate brown next to a cool...

00:32:38.009 --> 00:32:41.430
grey is incompatible so it's clashing so you'd

00:32:41.430 --> 00:32:43.269
have to go like jet black or something it doesn't

00:32:43.269 --> 00:32:46.009
have to be black it just has to be cool so cooler

00:32:46.009 --> 00:32:49.109
tones um there's like a whole spectrum of tones

00:32:49.109 --> 00:32:54.210
so uh so warm browns have like an orange or a

00:32:54.210 --> 00:32:59.349
golden or a red face to them um whereas cool

00:32:59.349 --> 00:33:03.150
browns have either like not purple as such like

00:33:03.150 --> 00:33:05.190
it doesn't look purple but it's more on those

00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:09.420
cooler tones Um, and that's more compatible because

00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:12.279
it's the same tone as your gray. That's stupid

00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.400
question. Yeah. This is embarrassing. Let me

00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.460
even ask you. I want to hear it. Is your natural

00:33:16.460 --> 00:33:19.900
hair color always the correct tone for you? Yes.

00:33:20.059 --> 00:33:23.160
Okay. So like, and that doesn't change with age.

00:33:23.180 --> 00:33:24.519
So like whatever hair is growing out of your

00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.339
head, that is probably the hair. Yeah. That would

00:33:27.339 --> 00:33:29.559
be whether you like it or not. Yeah. That would

00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:31.460
be compatible with you. It will be compatible.

00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.539
Yeah. Yeah. So really the tone. It usually goes

00:33:34.539 --> 00:33:38.049
in. So your eye colour, your skin tone, your

00:33:38.049 --> 00:33:40.430
hair colour are usually all compatible because

00:33:40.430 --> 00:33:44.930
you go into that box of this hair type and skin

00:33:44.930 --> 00:33:49.529
tone. So it's like redheads usually have pale

00:33:49.529 --> 00:33:54.009
complexions and they can have brown eyes and

00:33:54.009 --> 00:33:56.569
light eyes. So you still get different categories

00:33:56.569 --> 00:33:59.150
within that. Usually they're more fairer and

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skinned. So there are kind of personality traits

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a big theme here on the 40s formula is reinvention.

00:34:59.690 --> 00:35:01.969
And I think a lot of women do use their hair

00:35:01.969 --> 00:35:04.829
to either kind of stay in their comfort zone

00:35:04.829 --> 00:35:07.469
or to reinvent themselves. But I have a question

00:35:07.469 --> 00:35:10.610
like the old trope of cutting bangs when you

00:35:10.610 --> 00:35:12.869
break up. Right. So meaning like making a big

00:35:12.869 --> 00:35:15.690
hair transition when you have a big life transition.

00:35:15.789 --> 00:35:18.630
Yeah. Is it better to lean into that and be like,

00:35:18.650 --> 00:35:20.789
yo, no time like the present. I'm cutting these

00:35:20.789 --> 00:35:24.760
bangs or. Is it more like try to keep your hair

00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.440
consistent when your life is in chaos? Like,

00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:29.380
do you have an opinion on when's the right time

00:35:29.380 --> 00:35:31.960
to make a big change? That's a really good question,

00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.639
because I think for the average person, it's

00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:38.820
not the best time to have a big change. It's

00:35:38.820 --> 00:35:41.920
not the answer to your problems. So I always

00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:43.860
have the question I ask people when they come

00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:46.539
in asking for a big change is. Have you been

00:35:46.539 --> 00:35:48.719
thinking about this for a long time? Do you have

00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:50.840
a Pinterest board? Have you been collecting images?

00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.780
Is it something that you're like for a long time

00:35:53.780 --> 00:35:56.179
have been like, oh, I wish I could do that. And

00:35:56.179 --> 00:35:58.320
now today's the day you've decided to do it.

00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:00.380
Or did you wake up this morning thinking? And

00:36:00.380 --> 00:36:02.719
go, F this. This is what I actually do with people

00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.159
about tattoos. And people are like, oh, Amanda,

00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:05.460
should I get a tattoo? Not that I'm a tattoo

00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:07.780
artist, but I have a lot. And I'm like, have

00:36:07.780 --> 00:36:10.079
you been thinking about it for more than 12 months?

00:36:10.219 --> 00:36:12.159
Did you design it? Do you have a Pinterest board

00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:14.260
full of things? If you're just like, yo, I'm

00:36:14.260 --> 00:36:16.480
getting a tattoo today. probably not going to

00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:18.440
work out for you because sometimes in that moment

00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:20.300
i'm like if it's something you've been thinking

00:36:20.300 --> 00:36:23.280
about and again it suits you and or can we tailor

00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:25.179
it to make sure we can tweak it to make sure

00:36:25.179 --> 00:36:27.000
it suits your face shape or is the right tone

00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.099
for you then i'm like go for it what life is

00:36:30.099 --> 00:36:31.860
too short to have the same hairstyle forever

00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:35.380
and why not try something new if it's something

00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:38.300
that has been more deep rooted but if it's on

00:36:38.300 --> 00:36:40.760
a whim and it's like you know i've broken up

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.119
with my boyfriend um especially i think for me

00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.219
um when there's big hormonal shifts so when you're

00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:49.860
having a baby oh my gosh you're that's me it's

00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:51.300
hitting me hard that's the last time i chopped

00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:53.659
was when i got pregnant with archie yeah i was

00:36:53.659 --> 00:36:55.400
like i'm gonna i'm like i don't know what i was

00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.780
thinking it was covid days pregnant with my second

00:36:57.780 --> 00:37:00.059
very fast after my first like i my first was

00:37:00.059 --> 00:37:01.719
only nine months old and i got pregnant and i

00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:03.980
was like screw it this is the time i hated how

00:37:03.980 --> 00:37:06.460
i looked in that pregnancy my hair was like this

00:37:06.460 --> 00:37:09.119
short and i was this wide that was my biggest

00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.280
pregnancy just as a fun fact and i was just like

00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.110
what i doing this was awful well that is exactly

00:37:14.110 --> 00:37:17.110
why so i think especially when we have babies

00:37:17.110 --> 00:37:19.710
we lose our identity a little bit that's how

00:37:19.710 --> 00:37:21.929
i felt we don't feel like ourselves our body

00:37:21.929 --> 00:37:24.449
is changing in a way that we're we don't recognize

00:37:24.449 --> 00:37:27.630
it to have a big change with your hair at the

00:37:27.630 --> 00:37:29.929
same time it's just kind of a recipe for disaster

00:37:29.929 --> 00:37:33.130
so i think again enhancing what you already have

00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:36.829
making sure it suits you and it's healthy is

00:37:36.829 --> 00:37:40.159
the most important And even when you've had the

00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.579
baby postpartum, that's also not usually the

00:37:42.579 --> 00:37:44.219
right time to go because, again, you're going

00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:47.900
through so many changes. And I certainly when

00:37:47.900 --> 00:37:50.440
I had my first, I definitely had a loss of identity.

00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.039
And I was a bit like grappling for like who I

00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.840
don't just want to be mom. I want to be Tony

00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.300
still. But who is Tony now? Because Tony's evolved

00:37:59.300 --> 00:38:04.440
and changed and holding on to like where I felt

00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.000
my best and what. i was used to was the right

00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.519
thing i think at that moment in time but i have

00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:13.400
had um there are circumstances if someone's really

00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.360
strongly feels like i had that haircut before

00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.300
it works for me i love it i want it and they're

00:38:19.300 --> 00:38:22.019
almost they're telling me all the right things

00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:24.679
that make me go okay we can do that if not i

00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.340
would advise this isn't the right time and you

00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:30.059
might have that i guess through perimenopause

00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:33.349
if you're going through a stage of like who am

00:38:33.349 --> 00:38:35.929
i like i can't remember what's going you know

00:38:35.929 --> 00:38:38.210
there's all these things happening you want the

00:38:38.210 --> 00:38:40.670
things that to make you feel grounded which are

00:38:40.670 --> 00:38:42.630
the things that are the same all the time the

00:38:42.630 --> 00:38:45.610
things that you can control um you keep those

00:38:45.610 --> 00:38:47.989
more grounded because everything else that you

00:38:47.989 --> 00:38:50.530
can't control is a bit up in the air one of the

00:38:50.530 --> 00:38:53.309
things i did postpartum when i moved to singapore

00:38:54.059 --> 00:38:57.099
was actually cut my hair because i was getting

00:38:57.099 --> 00:38:59.480
a lot of hair loss yes does that work like is

00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:00.900
there some science to that because i know that

00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:02.300
yeah obviously when you've got longer hair and

00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:03.679
you're losing hair you're like fuck i'm losing

00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:05.519
so much hair yeah but when you've got shorter

00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.659
hair doesn't seem as much like is there really

00:39:07.659 --> 00:39:12.239
any like science or any truth to that your hair

00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.119
the science behind hair is a third of it is resting

00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.440
a third of it is growing and a third of it is

00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.360
falling out doesn't feel like that though does

00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.030
it so each individual hair will go through all

00:39:23.030 --> 00:39:25.849
three stages usually is five to seven years so

00:39:25.849 --> 00:39:28.349
essentially every five to seven years a third

00:39:28.349 --> 00:39:31.489
of your hair is new hair so it's normal so there's

00:39:31.489 --> 00:39:33.809
little baby hairs like sprouting yeah exactly

00:39:33.809 --> 00:39:37.269
so maybe this will get back to and then that's

00:39:37.269 --> 00:39:40.889
um accelerated in postpartum and menopause those

00:39:40.889 --> 00:39:43.730
things kind of things like stress diet anxiety

00:39:43.730 --> 00:39:46.630
they all can accelerate those things happening

00:39:46.630 --> 00:39:50.449
um so i think we just want to be mindful that

00:39:50.449 --> 00:39:54.360
um here particularly lots of women said to me

00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.360
the hair was falling out when they moved here

00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.159
and at the beginning i was like surely not like

00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.019
everyone keeps saying to me and but when i looked

00:40:02.019 --> 00:40:04.679
into it it came back to the water oh that's interesting

00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.480
do you know what the filter is really important

00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.900
because that's the only and and the stress of

00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:12.559
moving country i thought it was like we were

00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.119
molting like a dog i thought molting as well

00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.460
because the heat that's what i assumed i thought

00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:19.639
right okay it's just hot so my body is like we

00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:23.170
don't need this much hair No, I think it's just

00:40:23.170 --> 00:40:26.050
a natural cycle. And sometimes it will feel like

00:40:26.050 --> 00:40:29.510
lots is falling out. So again, going back to

00:40:29.510 --> 00:40:32.210
postpartum, when you're pregnant, the third that

00:40:32.210 --> 00:40:34.730
should fall out stops falling out. And that's

00:40:34.730 --> 00:40:37.449
why everyone has that peaceful, healthy, thick,

00:40:37.570 --> 00:40:39.469
luscious hair when they're pregnant. And then

00:40:39.469 --> 00:40:41.829
when you give birth, all the hair that should

00:40:41.829 --> 00:40:43.949
have fallen out in nine months, plus the hair

00:40:43.949 --> 00:40:46.360
that will come out anyway comes out. So it's

00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:47.719
like you've got two thirds of your hair falling

00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:49.519
out. And then you're really shedding. And that's

00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:51.719
when, especially around the hairline, the same

00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.239
in perimenopause, it's always hairline and crown,

00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:56.699
which tend to be the places that start thinning

00:40:56.699 --> 00:40:59.179
first. But then you get the new growth that comes

00:40:59.179 --> 00:41:01.599
back through. And I always say to people, I know

00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.480
it's really annoying when you have all these

00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.360
like sprouts coming out, but that's a good thing.

00:41:06.460 --> 00:41:08.139
The hair is still coming back through and that

00:41:08.139 --> 00:41:11.099
is the natural cycle. So we've talked about kind

00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:14.400
of what aging does to your hair. Womp womp. But

00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:16.920
I'm going to bring it back to the young kids.

00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.840
So are there anything that millennials and the

00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.059
younger Gen Xs, is there anything that we're

00:41:23.059 --> 00:41:26.519
doing with our hair that the Gen Zs would roll

00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.880
their eyes and be like, that is such an old person

00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.500
thing to do with your hair? Well, there's always

00:41:30.500 --> 00:41:34.079
a controversy. I can't say it, controversy over

00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.920
the parting. I know, I fucking hate that. Because

00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:41.559
I'm a side partner. Yeah, they took our side

00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.320
parts. And that's very frustrating to me. But

00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:47.199
everything comes back round. And I just always

00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:49.420
think, again, you do what's right for your face

00:41:49.420 --> 00:41:52.599
shape and what suits you. And people are open.

00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:54.019
So when I always say to people, where do you

00:41:54.019 --> 00:41:56.179
part your hair? Some people have very strong

00:41:56.179 --> 00:41:58.480
natural partings and you have to go with it.

00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:00.840
Some people's hair wants a part in a place. And

00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:02.760
if you start fighting it to go somewhere else,

00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:05.159
it always goes back to where it wants to go anyway.

00:42:06.059 --> 00:42:08.579
So again, working with what you have in your

00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:10.500
growth patterns, because bearing in mind, everyone

00:42:10.500 --> 00:42:13.380
has, some people have really strong cow's licks

00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:17.059
or widow's peaks or nape whirls down here. So

00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:20.360
certain haircuts won't work for them or partings

00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.150
won't work for them. I think there is something

00:42:23.150 --> 00:42:25.710
for everybody because there's so many different

00:42:25.710 --> 00:42:28.369
styles out there. I don't think, again, those

00:42:28.369 --> 00:42:30.889
boxes exist as much anymore. Yeah, good. But

00:42:30.889 --> 00:42:33.110
there is the battle between like the generations

00:42:33.110 --> 00:42:36.230
for sure. Yeah. And I recently found out, the

00:42:36.230 --> 00:42:37.849
reason this is like hot on my mind is because

00:42:37.849 --> 00:42:40.570
I recently found out that red lipstick is now

00:42:40.570 --> 00:42:42.900
millennial. Okay. Like if you just have a beautiful

00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:44.980
bold lip. I was like, beautiful bold lip is my

00:42:44.980 --> 00:42:46.599
go -to. That's my thing. That's like what I do

00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.420
when I try to look nice. So how are you taking

00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:50.019
this from me? So I was like, are there other

00:42:50.019 --> 00:42:52.760
things? He's coming back round. Okay. Everything

00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.860
comes back round. Man alive. But I also think,

00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.099
right, we shouldn't really give a shit what they

00:42:57.099 --> 00:43:02.539
think. We were here first. I was alive when you

00:43:02.539 --> 00:43:04.860
were being born. Well, you're owning it as well.

00:43:04.940 --> 00:43:06.820
Yeah. Where does that come from? Confidence.

00:43:06.940 --> 00:43:10.190
Exactly. What makes you feel confident is. how

00:43:10.190 --> 00:43:12.429
you present yourself right yeah it's like what

00:43:12.429 --> 00:43:14.389
you're wearing what makeup if you put makeup

00:43:14.389 --> 00:43:16.170
on you don't put makeup on if you've done your

00:43:16.170 --> 00:43:18.150
hair today if you haven't done your hair so it

00:43:18.150 --> 00:43:20.949
all comes back to everything comes back to how

00:43:20.949 --> 00:43:24.909
we feel inside and the outside helps that yeah

00:43:24.909 --> 00:43:26.949
and it helps us almost fake it till we make it

00:43:26.949 --> 00:43:29.530
sometimes sometimes we don't feel great and we're

00:43:29.530 --> 00:43:31.750
like right but i'm gonna make sure i look my

00:43:31.750 --> 00:43:34.880
best today And it helps you have that confidence.

00:43:35.139 --> 00:43:37.960
And sometimes that then helps you out of that

00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.380
place of feeling a bit like crap about yourself.

00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:42.840
I feel like we need to do like a side parting

00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:52.119
get together. I've seen loads of Instagram rules.

00:43:52.179 --> 00:43:55.019
It must be coming on my algorithm of millennials

00:43:55.019 --> 00:43:57.849
being like. you don't know what it's like we

00:43:57.849 --> 00:44:00.690
used to go out and party oh i'm getting don't

00:44:00.690 --> 00:44:03.730
think i mean there's a cheap heel and a sandwich

00:44:03.730 --> 00:44:06.389
dress you know the bandage dress is so uncomfortable

00:44:06.389 --> 00:44:09.809
when it was cold like no no one wears heels anymore

00:44:09.809 --> 00:44:12.550
like i'm wearing heels now but yeah it's like

00:44:12.550 --> 00:44:14.550
how can you go to a club with no heels on it

00:44:14.550 --> 00:44:17.130
makes no sense no just letting your calves look

00:44:17.130 --> 00:44:20.230
like that no i'm just kidding to be fair now

00:44:20.230 --> 00:44:22.809
i've gone that way yes i've evolved into like

00:44:22.809 --> 00:44:25.309
i never wear heels anymore yeah i'm a fancy sneaker

00:44:29.859 --> 00:44:32.159
So we've evolved. So we're still millennials,

00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.739
but we still have elements. It's still cool.

00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.219
Yeah, you just evolve, don't you, with the times.

00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.000
So I think as long as we're always evolving.

00:44:40.750 --> 00:44:43.409
to the best version of ourselves that's personalized

00:44:43.409 --> 00:44:45.869
to us. And I'm not giving up my side parting.

00:44:46.150 --> 00:44:47.929
And I'm not giving up my bright lipstick. Are

00:44:47.929 --> 00:44:50.630
you out of your mind? As a blonde, there's only

00:44:50.630 --> 00:44:52.829
so many things we have on our face. It's like

00:44:52.829 --> 00:44:54.849
we got eyebrows and lips. Let us have it. Yeah.

00:44:54.889 --> 00:44:56.510
Well, like you were saying earlier for the younger

00:44:56.510 --> 00:44:58.769
generation, what is it for them? It's like experiment.

00:44:59.070 --> 00:45:00.849
Yeah. Find what works for you and doesn't work

00:45:00.849 --> 00:45:02.690
for you. And then there'll be something. Everyone

00:45:02.690 --> 00:45:04.829
will come because I always say when people come

00:45:04.829 --> 00:45:07.760
for the consultation. You've worn your hair every

00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.000
day. You know it best. What do you like and dislike

00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.139
about it? What has worked for you and what hasn't

00:45:12.139 --> 00:45:14.000
worked for you? I'm like, I need that information

00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.639
from you. You have that fountain of knowledge

00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.300
about your own hair. And then I can advise you

00:45:19.300 --> 00:45:22.039
with that information. It's not just I can't

00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:24.659
do it without that information. And people will

00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:26.920
always be like, oh, my God, once I had this and

00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:28.659
that really didn't work. So everyone will have

00:45:28.659 --> 00:45:30.940
those stories through experimenting and you know

00:45:30.940 --> 00:45:33.300
what not to have again. But sometimes you need

00:45:33.300 --> 00:45:36.909
the guidance of. Well, how can I enhance it or

00:45:36.909 --> 00:45:39.510
improve it? I remember I had a stylist once,

00:45:39.530 --> 00:45:41.289
like a professional stylist. This was right after

00:45:41.289 --> 00:45:43.789
my second baby. So after the chop and then it

00:45:43.789 --> 00:45:44.909
grew out a little bit and then I had the stylist.

00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:47.889
So she came over and she was dressing me and

00:45:47.889 --> 00:45:49.969
I was like, what would I do with my hair for

00:45:49.969 --> 00:45:51.969
this look? And she was like, oh, just a ponytail.

00:45:52.510 --> 00:45:54.670
And I was like, like aghast because I was like,

00:45:54.710 --> 00:45:56.849
I can just do a ponytail. Like I can just wear

00:45:56.849 --> 00:45:58.570
a ponytail because I always thought like, oh,

00:45:58.610 --> 00:46:00.929
ponytails like when I'm not trying or when I'm

00:46:00.929 --> 00:46:02.369
going to work out or whatever. She was like,

00:46:02.409 --> 00:46:04.230
yeah, just pull it back in a ponytail. Just like

00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:06.150
have your face out. And I was like, like, it

00:46:06.150 --> 00:46:07.949
just was shocking to me because I think we do

00:46:07.949 --> 00:46:11.230
create our own scripts about our hair or like

00:46:11.230 --> 00:46:14.610
about what is acceptable. And she was like, you're

00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:17.130
literally a fitness coach. Like wear a ponytail.

00:46:17.309 --> 00:46:19.110
What's wrong with you? And I was like, I guess.

00:46:19.170 --> 00:46:22.400
Yeah. To me, it's not done. You know, it seemed

00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.119
undone, but she was like, it can be beautiful.

00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.420
Like Jasmine's glorious ponytail. But like everything,

00:46:26.500 --> 00:46:30.139
if you wear a ponytail. You can dress it up with

00:46:30.139 --> 00:46:32.340
accessories. You make sure you have nice earrings.

00:46:32.900 --> 00:46:35.460
But on the days where you have it down, you might

00:46:35.460 --> 00:46:38.599
not accessorize as much because then you feel

00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:40.199
like your hair is doing the work. Yeah, fair.

00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:43.579
I absolutely do that. You counterbalance in some

00:46:43.579 --> 00:46:45.960
way. And I think that's the beauty of it, right,

00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.719
is, again, you find, okay, I can wear my hair

00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:50.659
up and make sure it doesn't look a mess, but

00:46:50.659 --> 00:46:53.880
it's up and it's sleek and feels, I mean, I've

00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:56.599
controlled it, but I've added some accessories

00:46:56.599 --> 00:47:00.289
to kind of. to dress up in another way. In America,

00:47:00.289 --> 00:47:05.090
we call it zhuzhing. Zhuzh yourself up. So you've

00:47:05.090 --> 00:47:07.010
given us a ton to think about, but we have some

00:47:07.010 --> 00:47:09.670
real quick rapid fire questions on hot topics

00:47:09.670 --> 00:47:11.670
in hair. Now, this isn't like a one word answer

00:47:11.670 --> 00:47:13.809
thing. It's just, do you think what I'm about

00:47:13.809 --> 00:47:16.349
to ask is either hot or hype? So meaning, is

00:47:16.349 --> 00:47:18.789
this cool? Yes, go with it. Or is this total

00:47:18.789 --> 00:47:21.889
hype? Get over it. All righty. head spas this

00:47:21.889 --> 00:47:23.929
is a big thing in asia my international listeners

00:47:23.929 --> 00:47:26.170
i'm not sure but these korean head spas japanese

00:47:26.170 --> 00:47:28.349
head spas where you go and get a spa for your

00:47:28.349 --> 00:47:30.530
hair they shine your hair under a light show

00:47:30.530 --> 00:47:33.809
your roots talk to me about it yeah i think like

00:47:33.809 --> 00:47:35.849
everything there'll be great ones and there'll

00:47:35.849 --> 00:47:39.130
be kind of not so great ones so if they are they

00:47:39.130 --> 00:47:40.690
know what they're doing and they're experienced

00:47:40.690 --> 00:47:43.289
and they're giving you the right analysis of

00:47:43.289 --> 00:47:46.199
your scalp and your hair Great. Go for it. Because

00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.719
like we said, healthy scalp, healthy hair. If

00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.239
you can go and also I think most people go because

00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.760
it's relaxing. Yeah. You just get through the

00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:56.260
assessment part and then you're like, just do

00:47:56.260 --> 00:47:57.739
whatever to my head. I think they're there for

00:47:57.739 --> 00:48:01.699
like the hour long head massage. So if, yeah,

00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:04.000
they really are expertise and they know what

00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.420
they're talking about and they can advise you.

00:48:06.110 --> 00:48:08.130
You've got a dry scalp. Moisturize it throughout

00:48:08.130 --> 00:48:10.409
that service or whatever it is that you're, I

00:48:10.409 --> 00:48:13.010
guess it's like skincare, but for your scalp.

00:48:13.210 --> 00:48:16.309
Like a facial. Yeah, exactly. Then perfect. Go

00:48:16.309 --> 00:48:18.929
for it. Why not? And have the relaxation at the

00:48:18.929 --> 00:48:21.510
same time. Yes. Okay. Again, we get a pass for

00:48:21.510 --> 00:48:22.949
something we love anyway. That's our favorite

00:48:22.949 --> 00:48:24.929
answer on Hot or Hype. I'll tell you what. How

00:48:24.929 --> 00:48:28.320
about going gray in your 40s? So using this time

00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.500
to do the grey blending and let it rip. Well,

00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:33.760
I think that's an interesting even question because

00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:35.880
some people start going grey in their 20s. Yeah,

00:48:35.900 --> 00:48:38.860
that was me, by the way. Or their 30s. And the

00:48:38.860 --> 00:48:41.079
thing about grey is some people go grey overnight.

00:48:41.659 --> 00:48:45.000
Some people get a few greys and then it takes

00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.980
forever to progress. So there's no kind of like,

00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:51.119
again, I think people get so stuck on age brackets.

00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.360
And it's like it doesn't need to be related to

00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.420
age because grey can start any time. And some

00:48:57.420 --> 00:48:59.340
people have full head of natural hair without

00:48:59.340 --> 00:49:03.739
any grey and they're like 60. Yeah. So it's more

00:49:03.739 --> 00:49:05.440
about. My father -in -law, by the way. Yeah.

00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.420
Just great head of hair. It's just black, jet

00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:12.539
black hair. Wow. Like at age, whatever, 65. And

00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:15.119
then I used to work with a guy who said at 19

00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.179
he virtually almost went grey overnight. He just

00:49:19.179 --> 00:49:22.119
said it happened so quickly, 100 % great, when

00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.780
he was like 21. So you embrace it, right, at

00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:27.940
that point? Yeah, he's embraced it. How about,

00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:29.659
speaking of things that we embrace from the past,

00:49:29.780 --> 00:49:32.340
how about like... how my mom used to curl my

00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:35.119
hair so she would like tie yeah like almost fabric

00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.500
pieces in it to curl it that sucks like yeah

00:49:37.500 --> 00:49:40.760
yeah so ours was like these fabric pieces but

00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:42.400
like socks i think is the traditional way of

00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:44.239
doing it like these old school heatless curling

00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:46.179
is that better for our hair hot or hype well

00:49:46.179 --> 00:49:49.260
yeah great i think if you've got a method that

00:49:49.260 --> 00:49:51.159
gives you the end result that you like because

00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:52.880
obviously that's quite a different look if you

00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:56.000
look back to when you were a kid because i look

00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:57.820
back at photos when i had the right we used to

00:49:57.820 --> 00:50:01.300
call it the rags in the hair yeah and then we'd

00:50:01.300 --> 00:50:02.800
be going to a wedding the next day. Yes, correct.

00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:04.780
Like a family wedding. That is exactly what I'm

00:50:04.780 --> 00:50:07.260
talking about. Like a poodle. Yes. Specifically

00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:10.320
that. So if you want a poodle look, then go for

00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:11.719
it. Is there a cool way to do it? But there are

00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.019
lots of, like, contraptions you could buy off

00:50:14.019 --> 00:50:17.260
Amazon. You know, the famous one is the, it's

00:50:17.260 --> 00:50:20.719
like a foam, almost like a pool noodle, but that

00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.659
goes over your head and you wrap it around. I

00:50:23.659 --> 00:50:26.099
don't know about that. Somebody I know who works

00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:29.679
online a lot. um and she'll if she's ever listening

00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.019
she'll know who she is she says it's great because

00:50:32.019 --> 00:50:34.599
she does it and people only ever see her from

00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.820
the front but she's like look at the back it's

00:50:37.820 --> 00:50:40.280
my situation yeah we were talking about this

00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.860
off air folks because it all had to come from

00:50:42.860 --> 00:50:46.239
the back around the side but she's like But it's

00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:49.400
perfect for when I'm working online because from

00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.159
the front, it looks perfect. But if you're going

00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:54.019
to go to an event, maybe not so good. You might

00:50:54.019 --> 00:50:56.440
need to get another noodle. I always say to people,

00:50:56.460 --> 00:51:01.019
if it's a cheat, there's not really a cheat for

00:51:01.019 --> 00:51:03.219
it all to look great. You kind of just have to

00:51:03.219 --> 00:51:05.519
learn the skills, which is why we have the masterclass.

00:51:05.699 --> 00:51:08.179
So the reason I invented the masterclass is because

00:51:08.179 --> 00:51:11.119
95 % of people sit in their chair going. I wish

00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:12.980
I could style my hair like that. Yeah, that's

00:51:12.980 --> 00:51:15.699
me. I say that every time I get my hair done.

00:51:15.739 --> 00:51:18.300
So tomorrow, actually, I'm joining Tony's masterclass

00:51:18.300 --> 00:51:20.440
and I'm going to learn. So listeners, by the

00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.119
time you hear this, it will have happened. So

00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:26.500
check my socials. It's just empowering you to

00:51:26.500 --> 00:51:28.940
have the choice to style it. So going back to

00:51:28.940 --> 00:51:32.079
kind of, do we have the time? Do we have the

00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.820
skills? And it's just, it's giving you an hour

00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:38.920
and a half where I teach you step by step. and

00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:41.039
you do it, and you build the muscle memory so

00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.579
then when you go home, you can recreate the same

00:51:43.579 --> 00:51:46.440
looks at home. And all of my clients who've had

00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:48.719
it always come back and just say it's actually,

00:51:48.860 --> 00:51:52.300
again, it's that confidence. Last week, one of

00:51:52.300 --> 00:51:54.000
my clients said, I went on a girl's weekend,

00:51:54.099 --> 00:51:56.900
and she's like, it was just so amazing that I

00:51:56.900 --> 00:51:58.980
could do my own hair every day. That's what I

00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:00.840
want. Amazing. That's what I want. It's like

00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.099
really empowering people to, if they want to,

00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:07.050
they can. make their self look like they do when

00:52:07.050 --> 00:52:09.170
they leave the salon yeah teach a man a fish

00:52:09.170 --> 00:52:11.550
girl you know it's like this is this is exactly

00:52:11.550 --> 00:52:14.090
what i need yeah so this has been an amazing

00:52:14.090 --> 00:52:16.369
conversation and i think women in their 40s need

00:52:16.369 --> 00:52:18.489
to kind of remember these thematics right which

00:52:18.489 --> 00:52:21.090
is your hair needs to work for you and your actual

00:52:21.090 --> 00:52:23.090
life and it doesn't matter kind of what the trends

00:52:23.090 --> 00:52:25.829
are what's going on in gen z and also that's

00:52:25.829 --> 00:52:27.510
you know healthy hair starts with your scalp

00:52:27.510 --> 00:52:31.559
yeah what is your 40s formula specifically in

00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:33.519
the area of hair tony and your expertise what

00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.980
is the 40s formula for women who really want

00:52:35.980 --> 00:52:39.079
to look good and thrive yeah and look nice with

00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:41.900
their hair in this decade i think if you're feeling

00:52:41.900 --> 00:52:44.980
like your hair isn't working for you just investing

00:52:44.980 --> 00:52:48.860
the time just to have a consultation and digest

00:52:48.860 --> 00:52:52.340
all that information and go and decide what it

00:52:52.340 --> 00:52:55.639
is that you want from your hair and again is

00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:58.420
it how much time Is it going to work for you?

00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:00.639
I think, again, just really making sure it works

00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.320
for you is the most important. Yeah, see a pro,

00:53:04.500 --> 00:53:07.099
right? Invest the resources in what you really

00:53:07.099 --> 00:53:09.380
want. I think that's great advice. Well, thank

00:53:09.380 --> 00:53:10.860
you for being with us today, Tony. We really

00:53:10.860 --> 00:53:13.519
appreciate it. Thank you. It's been amazing.

00:53:13.900 --> 00:53:16.500
And happy first podcast. Thank you. We'll celebrate

00:53:16.500 --> 00:53:49.230
with a cupcake next year. one take situation

00:53:49.230 --> 00:53:53.090
oh yeah pros pros right thank you Tony thank

00:53:53.090 --> 00:53:56.429
you for that very impressed it's not normally

00:53:56.429 --> 00:53:58.590
like that it is so rare that I just need to call

00:53:58.590 --> 00:54:00.250
it out because it is so rare okay