WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.879 coming up on the 40s formula i think for most 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:06.400 parents the idea of saying goodbye to child for 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:08.359 the weekend and then never seeing them again 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:14.960 is just unimaginable on 25th may he promised 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:18.640 to send him to school Halep never made it to 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:21.399 school. That night, they found out that they 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:23.719 left Singapore. A lot of people tend to say, 00:00:23.899 --> 00:00:26.519 oh, it's just a father. Why would you call that 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.019 abduction? At this point, you're in three months. 00:00:29.140 --> 00:00:31.559 It's not a domestic issue anymore. There is no 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:35.399 way to... to find his location. He would just 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.719 snatch Caleb off me. He was a baby, even if he 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:41.299 was breastfeeding. He started sending me messages 00:00:41.299 --> 00:00:45.539 threatening to hurt and neglect Caleb. Should 00:00:45.539 --> 00:00:50.520 I hit his head with a hammer? I would tell him 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:57.359 that I love him more than anything. And I won't 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:03.880 stop until I find him. a missing child, and a 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:05.859 fight that's crossed borders and broken hearts. 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:31.290 This is Daylin Lamont's story. Name one of CNA's 00:01:31.290 --> 00:01:35.129 top podcasts and winner of the 2025 Asia Podcast 00:01:35.129 --> 00:01:37.689 Awards in the Best Health and Wellness Podcast 00:01:37.689 --> 00:01:41.510 category. 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Please visit helpfindcaleb .com for 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:21.360 more information on how you can help the search. 00:04:21.899 --> 00:04:26.279 Hi, Daylin. Welcome to the show. It's a really 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:28.879 weird thing that we're going to be talking about. 00:04:29.019 --> 00:04:32.199 I think for most parents, the idea of saying 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.240 goodbye to your child for the weekend and then 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:37.720 never seeing them again is just... unimaginable 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.480 and I really can't imagine what you are going 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.220 through right now and what you went through but 00:04:43.220 --> 00:04:45.819 do you mind just taking us back to that day and 00:04:45.819 --> 00:04:52.000 how it all started? Yes indeed it's hard but 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:55.519 it does happen I'm probably not the only one 00:04:55.519 --> 00:05:01.709 who's going through this at the moment. And firstly, 00:05:01.790 --> 00:05:04.069 I want to thank you both for giving me this opportunity 00:05:04.069 --> 00:05:08.790 to share my story with your audience. So yes, 00:05:09.050 --> 00:05:16.269 on 25th May, I sent Caleb for access with his 00:05:16.269 --> 00:05:19.470 father. And he was supposed to be returned on 00:05:19.470 --> 00:05:24.370 Sunday, 26th May. But the father refused to hand 00:05:24.370 --> 00:05:29.300 him over. So I went to his house with the police 00:05:29.300 --> 00:05:34.540 and he, so we didn't manage, the police didn't 00:05:34.540 --> 00:05:37.019 manage to convince him. In Singapore, the police 00:05:37.019 --> 00:05:41.980 cannot enforce something. So in terms of like 00:05:41.980 --> 00:05:45.939 court orders, family court orders, they don't 00:05:45.939 --> 00:05:51.639 enforce, they only encourage. So they didn't 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:54.980 convince him to return Khaled back to me. And 00:05:54.980 --> 00:05:59.860 Caleb's father, Lukman, he promised to send him 00:05:59.860 --> 00:06:03.639 to school the next morning on Monday, 27 May. 00:06:04.220 --> 00:06:08.300 But Caleb never made it to school. So I went 00:06:08.300 --> 00:06:13.420 to his house again on Monday. And I called the 00:06:13.420 --> 00:06:18.540 police for assistance again. And Lukman's parents, 00:06:18.620 --> 00:06:22.980 who were in the house then, they said that they 00:06:22.980 --> 00:06:27.879 went out. on monday morning to school both klugman 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.060 and khaled and that was the last time they saw 00:06:31.060 --> 00:06:36.240 them so um i lodged a police report because at 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.839 that point we didn't know i didn't know where 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:45.980 my son was um so i i wait for any information 00:06:45.980 --> 00:06:51.779 from the police few days pass i went to their 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:55.939 house again must have been tuesday or wednesday 00:06:55.939 --> 00:07:02.259 um and i called the police again they again they 00:07:02.259 --> 00:07:06.459 didn't they didn't have any information and um 00:07:06.459 --> 00:07:11.100 a week later i go again to his house i call the 00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:14.819 police and the parents say the same story that 00:07:14.819 --> 00:07:17.660 the last time they saw lukeman and kylie was 00:07:17.660 --> 00:07:20.779 on the previous monday when they were going to 00:07:20.779 --> 00:07:27.279 school and at that point It's starting to worry 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:30.959 me and also the police officers seem a little 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:35.540 bit more concerned. And that night they found 00:07:35.540 --> 00:07:39.040 out that they left Singapore. And a few days 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:42.560 later, just a couple of days later, ICA confirmed 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:47.120 that they have crossed the border via Woodlands 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:51.120 checkpoint. to malaysia and it was on that monday 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:54.420 on that very monday it was so it was this one 00:07:54.420 --> 00:07:58.860 monday after they actually left was that i had 00:07:58.860 --> 00:08:01.160 the confirmation that they have left singapore 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.379 okay so so this was 2024 so it's been over a 00:08:05.379 --> 00:08:11.000 year now and so on the the monday the 27th was 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:12.939 when they actually left when he didn't show up 00:08:12.939 --> 00:08:15.839 for school But you didn't find out until the 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:19.540 following week. That's right. Yeah. Wow. So during 00:08:19.540 --> 00:08:24.120 that one week, what was your state of mind? What 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:28.720 were you going through? Yeah, there's a lot of 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:35.940 uncertainty and a lot of emptiness. It wasn't 00:08:35.940 --> 00:08:38.980 the first time, actually. It wasn't the first 00:08:38.980 --> 00:08:44.799 time that he had kept Caleb. longer than the 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.559 court order states but he it was the first time 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:53.299 he took him out of singapore um so yeah it's 00:08:53.299 --> 00:09:02.460 it was yeah very uncertain very yeah like i i 00:09:02.460 --> 00:09:04.320 didn't know what to do with my time basically 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:08.120 because suddenly you know like my my life goes 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:14.950 around My son and my work and social life. I 00:09:14.950 --> 00:09:17.710 barely have time. I don't have a helper. I'm 00:09:17.710 --> 00:09:21.169 a single mom. Work full time and look after my 00:09:21.169 --> 00:09:24.509 child. So suddenly it's like this feeling of 00:09:24.509 --> 00:09:27.529 like, what do I do with my time? Plus, I'm like, 00:09:27.769 --> 00:09:31.730 where is he? Like, like, when am I going to have 00:09:31.730 --> 00:09:38.799 him back? Yeah. So, yeah. How many times had 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:45.120 he done that before? Okay, so the longer time 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:49.899 periods that he took him for was when he was 00:09:49.899 --> 00:09:53.440 two and a half years old. We were having supervised 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:56.820 access. I was supervising the access and he ran 00:09:56.820 --> 00:10:00.100 away, literally ran away with the two and a half 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:05.279 year old Caleb. I went to his house. I called 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.870 the police. the police didn't manage to get my 00:10:07.870 --> 00:10:11.769 son back. In fact, Lukman's parents told the 00:10:11.769 --> 00:10:16.350 police, well, his father told the police that 00:10:16.350 --> 00:10:21.549 he didn't know anything about my son. And I turned 00:10:21.549 --> 00:10:24.409 around to the officers and I told them, well, 00:10:24.549 --> 00:10:29.690 he's a missing person. And so the police officers 00:10:29.690 --> 00:10:34.289 managed to convince Lukman's father, Caleb's 00:10:34.289 --> 00:10:39.070 grandfather, to say the truth. And at the end, 00:10:39.070 --> 00:10:41.769 he said that the child was with the grandmother 00:10:41.769 --> 00:10:46.490 at that moment. And he video called the grandma, 00:10:46.570 --> 00:10:50.169 so the wife, Caleb's grandmother, who was looking 00:10:50.169 --> 00:10:54.990 after Caleb at that time. So I had to go to court. 00:10:55.230 --> 00:10:59.470 I had to put an injection order. And the whole 00:10:59.470 --> 00:11:03.220 thing took eight days. So it took me eight days 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:07.879 then to recover my two and a half year old. And 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:13.080 it happened in smaller, like two days, three 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:19.860 days throughout, you know, from 2020 to 2024. 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:26.299 But in 2024, last year, in January alone, it 00:11:26.299 --> 00:11:32.919 happened twice. for five days so he took him 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:36.840 for five days and the third week of january he 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:41.860 took him for six days both weeks kalib he missed 00:11:41.860 --> 00:11:45.700 like school days and everything so i stopped 00:11:45.700 --> 00:11:50.139 access because i was afraid that this was going 00:11:50.139 --> 00:11:56.919 to happen um and i started access again in may 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:01.519 and that was the last time i saw my son Was that 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.899 the, you restarted access in May. So was that 00:12:04.899 --> 00:12:08.139 the first? Exactly. So that was the first? That 00:12:08.139 --> 00:12:10.740 was the first access, yeah. And that was when 00:12:10.740 --> 00:12:13.980 Caleb's grandparents here still in Singapore? 00:12:14.299 --> 00:12:18.299 They are here in Singapore, but they don't talk 00:12:18.299 --> 00:12:21.299 to me. They don't help me. They tell the police 00:12:21.299 --> 00:12:24.200 that they don't know anything. Do you believe 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.840 that? I don't at all. Do you believe that they 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:30.179 know where he is? Definitely. Caleb's father, 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:35.179 he hasn't been able to have a job, like a stable 00:12:35.179 --> 00:12:41.159 job. And he was always living with his parents. 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:47.080 He used to do online trading with his parents' 00:12:47.419 --> 00:12:51.159 savings. So I believe that's what he's doing 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:55.820 now. And they have a joint account and he's definitely 00:12:55.820 --> 00:12:59.399 having support from his parents. And obviously, 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.000 if you believe that to be true, and it may be 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.100 true, then there would be some traceable contact. 00:13:04.220 --> 00:13:06.360 But you're saying that the Singapore police and 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:08.340 the Malaysia police have so far not been able 00:13:08.340 --> 00:13:12.679 to use that information? Well, his contacts, 00:13:12.980 --> 00:13:15.899 the contacts that are known to me, all those 00:13:15.899 --> 00:13:20.279 are inactive. I mean, he just, he deleted the 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:23.919 number before he decided to disappear. He stopped 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:28.840 using his emails and... For as long as those 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:33.320 are inactive, there is no way to find his location. 00:13:34.779 --> 00:13:38.980 Wow. So this was, it sounds like it was obviously 00:13:38.980 --> 00:13:44.539 planned. It sounds like it, yeah. Wow. I'm just 00:13:44.539 --> 00:13:49.360 lost for words. I just don't know how someone 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.340 could do this and then what you have been going 00:13:52.340 --> 00:13:55.460 through. So just to sort of take a little step 00:13:55.460 --> 00:13:58.919 back. When you realized that there was a problem 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:04.419 and that Caleb wasn't coming home, what steps 00:14:04.419 --> 00:14:07.980 did you take? And, you know, what were you expecting 00:14:07.980 --> 00:14:11.240 him to sort of be given back to you at some point, 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.320 like in the previous times? Yeah, I was hoping 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:20.659 that I was, I was, I never thought, never thought 00:14:20.659 --> 00:14:25.340 he would do what he did. Never. Yeah. Initially. 00:14:26.139 --> 00:14:31.240 I didn't act, perhaps if I had, you know, hired 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:34.779 a PI earlier, maybe I could have tracked them 00:14:34.779 --> 00:14:41.440 down, you know. But yeah, one is, I really hoped 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:49.200 that he was going to bring him back. And it's 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:52.110 like... the resources that it all takes, like 00:14:52.110 --> 00:14:55.049 hiring a PR, I was really hoping I didn't have 00:14:55.049 --> 00:14:57.110 to get to that point because I couldn't afford 00:14:57.110 --> 00:15:02.809 it. Like I've been on a legal battle for six 00:15:02.809 --> 00:15:06.889 and a half years with this person. And that's 00:15:06.889 --> 00:15:12.210 drained my resources. So I was really like hoping 00:15:12.210 --> 00:15:15.870 I didn't have to get to that point. And you mentioned 00:15:15.870 --> 00:15:18.480 you've been in a legal battle for... basically 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.159 the entire time that Caleb's been alive. Yeah, 00:15:21.179 --> 00:15:25.639 since he's one, so six and a half years. Can 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.700 you tell us about the nature of your divorce, 00:15:28.779 --> 00:15:31.820 if you're comfortable, in terms of signs and 00:15:31.820 --> 00:15:33.919 signals that you knew you needed to get out of 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:38.940 that relationship? Yeah, that's another story. 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:47.320 So I was abused emotionally. By Caleb's father. 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:54.259 So he has always used the child as a tool to 00:15:54.259 --> 00:15:58.820 get at me. I'm just going to put some examples. 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:06.539 He used to get angry for very small things. Like 00:16:06.539 --> 00:16:09.720 if I splashed him after I washed my hands, I 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:11.419 just splashed him. He was always lying on the 00:16:11.419 --> 00:16:15.669 floor. And he would just like... He was a monster 00:16:15.669 --> 00:16:18.590 and he would just snatch Caleb off me. He was 00:16:18.590 --> 00:16:21.769 a baby. Even if he was breastfeeding, he would 00:16:21.769 --> 00:16:23.929 just snatch him off me and he would take him 00:16:23.929 --> 00:16:28.549 away. If we were outside and I didn't help him 00:16:28.549 --> 00:16:31.629 carry the stroller or I knock him. Oh, there 00:16:31.629 --> 00:16:36.769 was one time I knocked his heels with the stroller. 00:16:37.409 --> 00:16:41.419 Accidentally, obviously. That was like. awful 00:16:41.419 --> 00:16:43.600 and then he just he would just take Caleb off 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:45.960 the stroller and would walk away and he would 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:50.059 leave me behind um then he didn't have a job 00:16:50.059 --> 00:16:54.559 a stable job um so I had to go back to work after 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.940 my maternity leave I was on and off um so I had 00:16:57.940 --> 00:17:01.019 like one day one day off one day work one day 00:17:01.019 --> 00:17:06.160 off and um and he started sending me messages 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:11.619 um threatening to hurt and neglect Khaled. So 00:17:11.619 --> 00:17:16.720 he would say things like, he peed again, I'm 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:20.599 going to put ice cubes on his back for negative 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:24.500 rewards. Those were his words. Or he would say 00:17:24.500 --> 00:17:27.460 things like, he's crying again, I'm just going 00:17:27.460 --> 00:17:29.980 to leave him there until you're back. Or he pooped 00:17:29.980 --> 00:17:31.740 again, I'm going to put him in the toilet bowl 00:17:31.740 --> 00:17:35.960 and poop on him. for revenge and I'm going to 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:38.539 punch him and should I hit his head with a hammer 00:17:38.539 --> 00:17:43.900 and crazy stuff like that. He would make it look 00:17:43.900 --> 00:17:51.400 like a joke, but once or twice maybe it's a joke, 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:56.180 but more than that, it's very scary. So I left 00:17:56.180 --> 00:18:01.259 the job that I had. Back then. And that's when 00:18:01.259 --> 00:18:05.700 I joined Beyond Active. Yeah. I could work from 00:18:05.700 --> 00:18:11.460 home. Flexible time. And since Caleb was five 00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:17.460 months old, I worked and looked at him at the 00:18:17.460 --> 00:18:21.140 same time. All the way until he was five. He 00:18:21.140 --> 00:18:23.839 could only start school when he was five because 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:28.289 Lukeman never. He made it so hard for me. to 00:18:28.289 --> 00:18:31.470 send him to school. He'd never approved. And 00:18:31.470 --> 00:18:34.890 he was five when I managed to find a school that 00:18:34.890 --> 00:18:38.369 didn't ask me for the father's approval. And 00:18:38.369 --> 00:18:40.250 do you believe that's because he wanted to keep 00:18:40.250 --> 00:18:43.630 you at home? I think so. He wanted to make everything 00:18:43.630 --> 00:18:46.410 very hard for me. The passport was another thing. 00:18:46.990 --> 00:18:54.750 So in Singapore, custody is not like... sole 00:18:54.750 --> 00:18:57.150 custody given to one parent and then the other 00:18:57.150 --> 00:18:59.970 one access like most countries do in singapore 00:18:59.970 --> 00:19:03.930 there is um custody's uh care and control so 00:19:03.930 --> 00:19:08.670 where the child leaves and then there is um custody 00:19:08.670 --> 00:19:13.130 in terms of like decision making like education 00:19:13.130 --> 00:19:17.369 uh religion and hospitalization that is given 00:19:17.369 --> 00:19:19.829 equally to both parents so that both parents 00:19:19.829 --> 00:19:24.329 are part of the of children's upbringing right 00:19:24.329 --> 00:19:27.410 it makes sense when you're dealing with someone 00:19:27.410 --> 00:19:30.750 reasonable and that was not my case so it's been 00:19:30.750 --> 00:19:34.589 a nightmare what if the two parents cannot come 00:19:34.589 --> 00:19:36.430 to an agreement on the things you just mentioned 00:19:36.430 --> 00:19:38.569 you just have to keep going back to court keep 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:40.430 going back to court and i've been going back 00:19:40.430 --> 00:19:43.869 to court for the past six and a half years um 00:19:43.869 --> 00:19:49.299 yeah and the other thing is um So he was made 00:19:49.299 --> 00:19:54.940 the legal guardian of the passport. And I didn't 00:19:54.940 --> 00:19:59.160 need his approval to go out of Singapore. I just 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.099 needed to inform him. And he was obliged to give 00:20:03.099 --> 00:20:06.480 me the passport every time I needed it. Would 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:12.059 he? No, he never did. He always refused. So slowly 00:20:12.059 --> 00:20:15.779 over the years, I've got more of the custody. 00:20:16.490 --> 00:20:20.410 But it's been a big effort, big money spent. 00:20:21.930 --> 00:20:27.170 It's just been, yeah, horrible. So they made 00:20:27.170 --> 00:20:31.960 me the decision maker. on education because i 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:34.660 struggled to put him in school they gave they 00:20:34.660 --> 00:20:37.200 made me the legal guardian of the passport after 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.660 a while because he always refused um but i still 00:20:41.660 --> 00:20:44.680 never got his passport ever ever so he still 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:47.880 had the passport then when oh my god is he a 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:50.799 singaporean citizen he is singaporean both father 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.160 and son are you a singaporean citizen i am too 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.579 okay yeah you know you said you've been fighting 00:20:55.579 --> 00:20:59.470 for more and more custody yeah Has that given 00:20:59.470 --> 00:21:04.690 you any tools? Well, by now I'm the sole custodian. 00:21:04.710 --> 00:21:08.970 It was given to me in June this year. So right 00:21:08.970 --> 00:21:14.650 now he has no physical access at all. Yeah, so 00:21:14.650 --> 00:21:17.750 everything is given to me. I just need to find 00:21:17.750 --> 00:21:21.150 him. Have there been any sightings or any leads, 00:21:21.289 --> 00:21:26.660 anything from anyone? No leads, no. And do you 00:21:26.660 --> 00:21:30.220 still believe that he's in Malaysia? I believe 00:21:30.220 --> 00:21:33.720 he is unless he has crossed the border illegally, 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:37.640 which I really doubt. Yeah. Like, I don't, yeah, 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.859 I mean, it is a possibility. I wouldn't think 00:21:41.859 --> 00:21:44.420 he would do that. Malaysia's big enough. Yeah. 00:21:44.579 --> 00:21:48.559 It's, you know, it's very big and you can easily, 00:21:48.740 --> 00:21:51.839 there is areas that are not as, you know, well 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:56.710 -connected. Yeah, he can get off. the grid in 00:21:56.710 --> 00:22:00.990 malaysia easily is his culture his religion his 00:22:00.990 --> 00:22:08.529 parents have access you know um it's cheap so 00:22:08.529 --> 00:22:11.430 he could he could live very well with you know 00:22:11.430 --> 00:22:14.890 like a fraction of what he would need here so 00:22:14.890 --> 00:22:18.049 i think it makes sense that he's in malaysia 00:22:18.049 --> 00:22:20.950 i could be wrong but i have the feeling if they 00:22:20.950 --> 00:22:23.329 were to cross the border Legally, meaning if 00:22:23.329 --> 00:22:24.910 a passport was presented at the border. Oh, they 00:22:24.910 --> 00:22:27.650 would be stopped. Okay, so he would be returned. 00:22:28.329 --> 00:22:32.490 He would be stopped, yeah. There is notice in 00:22:32.490 --> 00:22:35.930 Malaysia, immigration, and also in Singapore. 00:22:36.390 --> 00:22:39.150 So if they try, they are caught. They will be 00:22:39.150 --> 00:22:41.789 caught, yeah. Can we paint a hopeful scenario 00:22:41.789 --> 00:22:45.150 that that happens? So let's say for whatever 00:22:45.150 --> 00:22:47.109 reason, I mean, it would be stupid of him at 00:22:47.109 --> 00:22:48.849 this point to do it, but let's say he goes to 00:22:48.849 --> 00:22:52.880 a border and Caleb is brought back. What would 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:55.400 be the legal ramification for your ex -husband? 00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:58.259 So there is a warrant of arrest, but it's only 00:22:58.259 --> 00:23:03.400 for breach of court of custody orders. I have 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:10.779 yet to file an application to accuse him as an 00:23:10.779 --> 00:23:13.759 abductor, right? I have to do that myself. So 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:18.220 he won't be sent to jail or anything for that. 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:22.910 He will be sent only for like a week. for the 00:23:22.910 --> 00:23:27.309 breach of court order. Yeah. And have you not 00:23:27.309 --> 00:23:29.869 done that? And please feel free to not answer 00:23:29.869 --> 00:23:31.890 this question. Have you not done that because 00:23:31.890 --> 00:23:34.950 you hope that that would encourage him to return 00:23:34.950 --> 00:23:37.930 Caleb? Not really. I haven't done it because 00:23:37.930 --> 00:23:41.069 my priority is to find Caleb. I can't put resources 00:23:41.069 --> 00:23:44.309 onto something that can be done after. Yeah. 00:23:44.390 --> 00:23:48.740 Of course. And we understand that. One of the 00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:51.079 other implications and things that you've struggled 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.319 with is because Malaysia is not part of the Hague 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.259 Convention. Now, how is that sort of limited, 00:23:57.579 --> 00:24:01.579 you know, how Malaysia and Singapore have sort 00:24:01.579 --> 00:24:04.460 of worked together or not worked together? Yeah, 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.599 that's a great question. So for countries that 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.480 are not part of like the Hague Convention in 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:16.099 terms of child abduction, like Malaysia is. Singapore 00:24:16.099 --> 00:24:18.740 is, Malaysia is not. So there is no streamlined 00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:22.940 process for the both countries to work together 00:24:22.940 --> 00:24:30.839 to find and retrieve the child. So, yeah, that's 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:36.039 a big complication. However, we got Malaysia 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:40.579 authorities to help. But right now we're trying, 00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:44.299 we're kind of stuck trying to get help from Singapore. 00:24:46.660 --> 00:24:53.180 They have more resources to find a location. 00:24:53.380 --> 00:24:56.319 They could trace bank transactions, for example. 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:00.119 They could interrogate the parents, trace phone 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:05.079 calls, messages. But that's where we're stuck. 00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:08.039 So that's your hurdle now, that there's just 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.299 no sort of communication between the two authorities? 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:16.440 Malaysia's trying. They are trying, but so far 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:19.240 we haven't gotten much from Singapore. But I'm 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.819 trying. I'm trying to. Why do you think that 00:25:21.819 --> 00:25:23.599 is? Why do you think Singapore are not being 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:27.140 helpful? No idea. No idea. And when you say we, 00:25:27.259 --> 00:25:30.700 Daylin, who is your support team? Who are you 00:25:30.700 --> 00:25:33.900 with on this journey? Well, my family, my friends 00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:38.700 that are always with me. Yeah, my lawyer, even 00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:43.720 my lawyer. Yeah, I have a big. Big support. Yeah. 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:45.619 So Amanda, you know how I've been on this journey 00:25:45.619 --> 00:25:47.619 about improving my sleep? Oh, you have been obsessed 00:25:47.619 --> 00:25:50.680 about it lately. Well, I have found something 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:54.619 that has been incredible. Cozy Earth bed sheets. 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:57.039 That's saying a lot because you are really picky 00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.380 about your sleep setup. Exactly. These sheets 00:25:59.380 --> 00:26:01.839 are made from bamboo viscose. They are naturally 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:05.099 breathable and I get the perfect night's sleep. 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:08.400 They keep me cool all night. Oh, and I've been 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:10.779 eyeing the pajamas too. They are so chic and 00:26:10.779 --> 00:26:13.680 super cozy. It's a total game changer and so 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.579 relaxing for the evenings. And what's crazy is 00:26:16.579 --> 00:26:18.640 that Cozy Earth actually ships to Singapore, 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.920 orders over $560 ship free, and in the US orders 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.400 over $50 ship free. And did you know you can 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:29.500 get your biggest ever discount, 41 % if you use 00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:33.740 code TFF today. So head over to CozyEarth .com 00:26:33.740 --> 00:26:38.230 and use that code TFF today. How have you sort 00:26:38.230 --> 00:26:40.529 of managed to look after yourself during this 00:26:40.529 --> 00:26:42.670 time? Because I can just imagine, you know, that 00:26:42.670 --> 00:26:44.750 this has been sort of all consuming for you. 00:26:45.809 --> 00:26:48.950 How do you sort of keep yourself together other 00:26:48.950 --> 00:26:50.670 than your support network? Are there any other 00:26:50.670 --> 00:26:54.109 things that helped you just to sort of, you know, 00:26:54.109 --> 00:26:57.529 keep at peace with what's been going on? Yeah, 00:26:57.670 --> 00:27:03.339 definitely. I think. Now more than ever, it's 00:27:03.339 --> 00:27:08.420 important to look after myself because even though, 00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:14.039 I mean, I have a big supporting group, but I 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.579 have to drive this. I have to lead this. And 00:27:16.579 --> 00:27:21.720 if I'm not well, nobody will get it done, right? 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:26.119 It won't get done. So yeah, for sure. I like, 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:32.940 I love exercising, but I would say my, The medicine 00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:40.240 to myself is dancing. I love dancing. And spending 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:43.319 time with friends, people who make me laugh. 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:54.099 Good food, for sure. Yeah, I do. I do have a 00:27:54.099 --> 00:27:58.769 lot of things that keep me going. What are the 00:27:58.769 --> 00:28:01.769 next steps then? Are there any next steps in 00:28:01.769 --> 00:28:08.210 trying to help find Caleb? Yes, we do have next 00:28:08.210 --> 00:28:11.250 steps. So right now I'm trying to get some media 00:28:11.250 --> 00:28:14.849 attention in Malaysia to get more people to know 00:28:14.849 --> 00:28:23.549 about it. So we've offered a reward for any information 00:28:23.549 --> 00:28:29.380 that leads to his whereabouts. And we're going 00:28:29.380 --> 00:28:33.279 to try to use that as incentive for more people 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:40.599 to look for him, to search for him. And we're 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.680 going to explore like social media, adverts. 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.440 Really, it's all about like getting more people 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:53.819 to know what's happening and getting more people 00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:57.130 to look for him. And I think that's a great time 00:28:57.130 --> 00:28:58.869 to just mention the website that we mentioned 00:28:58.869 --> 00:29:02.509 at the beginning of this show, which is helpfindcaleb 00:29:02.509 --> 00:29:07.349 .com. There you can visit the website. You can 00:29:07.349 --> 00:29:10.089 see pictures. so that you can help to identify. 00:29:10.190 --> 00:29:12.029 If you're listening to this show from Singapore 00:29:12.029 --> 00:29:14.470 or Malaysia particularly, that would be a great 00:29:14.470 --> 00:29:16.910 opportunity to have a look. And it also details 00:29:16.910 --> 00:29:18.509 the reward that you just talked about as well 00:29:18.509 --> 00:29:20.789 for information. So please, if you're listening 00:29:20.789 --> 00:29:22.630 to this show or watching this show, please visit 00:29:22.630 --> 00:29:24.990 that website immediately and familiarize yourself 00:29:24.990 --> 00:29:28.990 with young Caleb. Thank you. And if you could 00:29:28.990 --> 00:29:31.430 speak directly to Caleb right now, what would 00:29:31.430 --> 00:29:35.190 you like to say to him? That's the most difficult 00:29:35.190 --> 00:29:44.619 question you've... asked to say. I would tell 00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:49.400 him that I love him more than anything. I would 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.819 tell him that don't believe everything that you 00:29:52.819 --> 00:30:02.279 hear. And I'll keep looking for you. And I won't 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:07.849 stop until I find you. Yeah. That must be very 00:30:07.849 --> 00:30:11.930 difficult. You know, in just obviously being 00:30:11.930 --> 00:30:15.809 a parent, you know, I can really feel your pain. 00:30:15.930 --> 00:30:19.089 And we really hope that, you know, that this 00:30:19.089 --> 00:30:22.970 search comes to an end soon, just because it's 00:30:22.970 --> 00:30:27.309 probably one of the worst things for any parent 00:30:27.309 --> 00:30:31.710 to feel. If there's anyone out there who's going 00:30:31.710 --> 00:30:33.650 through a similar thing, is there anything you'd 00:30:33.650 --> 00:30:36.779 like to say to them? about, you know, how to 00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:41.579 keep going or any words of advice that you'd 00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:46.440 like to offer? Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.259 the first thing is this is probably the most 00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:54.259 difficult situation we're ever going to be in. 00:30:54.539 --> 00:30:59.579 And at first we're unable to process. We are 00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:04.519 in distress. We can't process. We can't. You 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.759 know, we can't think rationally. So I would advise 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:15.859 anyone going through the same. Just, I know it's 00:31:15.859 --> 00:31:18.559 hard, the hardest thing, but just try to become, 00:31:18.819 --> 00:31:24.140 try to look after yourself, you know, as best 00:31:24.140 --> 00:31:29.839 as you can. Try to stay focused so that you can, 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.660 you know, they can look for solutions. And that's 00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:38.779 that's we need to. Yeah, we need to to get it 00:31:38.779 --> 00:31:42.319 done. We need to be well so that we can get it 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.160 done. I was talking to my husband about your 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.940 story prior to this episode. And, you know, when 00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:50.960 you say child abduction, I think the popular 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.759 media kind of attention, you think it's a stranger, 00:31:53.859 --> 00:31:56.559 right? Somebody came in and plucked this child. 00:31:56.660 --> 00:31:59.329 And I think it's important to know that. The 00:31:59.329 --> 00:32:02.089 majority of child abductions are from a family 00:32:02.089 --> 00:32:05.029 member. They are not from a stranger. They're 00:32:05.029 --> 00:32:07.849 from someone that's already in the child's life. 00:32:08.089 --> 00:32:11.849 And I think sharing your story and how that translates 00:32:11.849 --> 00:32:15.009 into difficulty to find the child, into legal 00:32:15.009 --> 00:32:17.990 battles around custody of the child, I think 00:32:17.990 --> 00:32:20.470 it's actually harder in the situation that you're 00:32:20.470 --> 00:32:23.599 describing. And I think it's just important for 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:25.460 listeners to know that it's not something that 00:32:25.460 --> 00:32:28.039 happens because a stranger came in or because 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.740 of something that was nefarious. It's something 00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:33.859 that was already kind of established in the home. 00:32:33.940 --> 00:32:36.880 And unfortunately, you have to be the victim 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.539 of something that is the most common way of child 00:32:40.539 --> 00:32:43.549 abduction. Yeah, you're right. And it's great 00:32:43.549 --> 00:32:46.289 that you mentioned this because, I mean, I'm 00:32:46.289 --> 00:32:48.990 not the only victim, but the children going through 00:32:48.990 --> 00:32:52.930 this, they suffer. I'm an adult. I can manage 00:32:52.930 --> 00:32:57.410 myself. Children can't. This is big trauma for 00:32:57.410 --> 00:33:02.569 them. And it's very difficult because when a 00:33:02.569 --> 00:33:06.730 stranger abducts a child, the authorities act 00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:11.920 very quickly. When it's one of the parents. this 00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:15.059 is a domestic issue and no one gets involved 00:33:15.059 --> 00:33:21.019 no one gets involved so it's very very hard yeah 00:33:21.019 --> 00:33:24.019 yeah and the other side of the coin is like from 00:33:24.019 --> 00:33:28.000 like people's perspective a lot of people tend 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.799 to say um oh it's just a father like it's he's 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.000 not abducted why would you call that abduction 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.420 if it's the father he's well how would you know 00:33:37.420 --> 00:33:40.740 that yeah has there I know you mentioned that, 00:33:40.779 --> 00:33:43.420 you know, he used to say threatening things against 00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:48.660 Caleb before. Do you worry that he might be physically 00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:51.920 abusive? Is that something that you... I don't 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:57.700 know. I never saw him, like, doing anything to 00:33:57.700 --> 00:34:02.700 him to harm him. He did threaten to, but I never 00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:08.130 saw it. I did... I mean, his mom, Lukman's mother, 00:34:08.329 --> 00:34:11.730 and the neighbor, next door neighbor, they asked 00:34:11.730 --> 00:34:17.750 me a lot, why does the baby cry so much? And 00:34:17.750 --> 00:34:20.210 I never understood that question while I was 00:34:20.210 --> 00:34:23.590 living with them because when I was there, he 00:34:23.590 --> 00:34:28.329 never cried, ever, ever. And it was only when 00:34:28.329 --> 00:34:35.349 I moved out and I had space to think. that I 00:34:35.349 --> 00:34:39.969 put one and two together. Did he really left 00:34:39.969 --> 00:34:44.849 him crying? Did he really didn't fit him like 00:34:44.849 --> 00:34:48.570 he said he would? You know, did he beat him? 00:34:48.670 --> 00:34:52.650 I don't know. I hope he didn't get to that point. 00:34:52.710 --> 00:34:56.309 But why was the baby crying so much like what 00:34:56.309 --> 00:34:59.050 his mother and the neighbor were asking me? I 00:34:59.050 --> 00:35:02.530 don't know. And, you know, this is a guy that... 00:35:02.889 --> 00:35:05.150 Didn't have to do anything. He didn't lift a 00:35:05.150 --> 00:35:07.409 finger to do anything. He was like lying down 00:35:07.409 --> 00:35:10.730 flat, complaining that his back was in pain all 00:35:10.730 --> 00:35:16.550 day long. Right now, he has to be looking after 00:35:16.550 --> 00:35:21.090 this child all day. So how is it going to be? 00:35:21.550 --> 00:35:26.030 It is stressful to look after a child. How is 00:35:26.030 --> 00:35:29.130 he going to manage? I don't know. I don't know, 00:35:29.250 --> 00:35:33.519 really. Caleb is seven now, correct? He's seven, 00:35:33.659 --> 00:35:36.619 yeah. Again, these are probably questions that 00:35:36.619 --> 00:35:38.420 you've covered tons of times in your personal 00:35:38.420 --> 00:35:40.699 life, but wouldn't he have to be enrolled in 00:35:40.699 --> 00:35:42.400 school at some point? Or do you believe that 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.119 his father would be keeping him intentionally 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.199 out of school? I don't know. I don't know. He 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.360 was supposed to start primary school in January 00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:55.219 this year, but he hasn't been able to. Yeah. 00:35:56.059 --> 00:35:59.179 Is the case in Malaysia the same where they would 00:35:59.179 --> 00:36:02.639 still need... Like your approval to enroll him 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.300 into a school? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't 00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:12.880 think so. Yeah. It's just I don't understand 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.980 why Singapore authorities aren't helping in this 00:36:15.980 --> 00:36:18.400 matter. Like if there's stuff they can do, why 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:22.440 it's not being done? And I guess I wonder if 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.079 it is because they're thinking it's just a domestic 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.519 issue and it's not that much. At this point, 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.239 though, like a year and three months. Yes. It's 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.380 not a domestic issue anymore. And he doesn't 00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:37.039 have access anymore. I'm the sole custodian. 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.059 I don't know. I really don't know why. I just 00:36:40.059 --> 00:36:44.360 think it's because there is no streamlined process 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:48.440 for them to share information. So it's kind of 00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:51.059 like maybe they get stuck. They don't know how 00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:53.719 to process information. I really don't know. 00:36:53.920 --> 00:37:00.320 I really don't understand. Yeah, I'll keep emailing. 00:37:00.780 --> 00:37:05.239 and messaging and calling anyone i have to yes 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.619 too yeah and then obviously his parents are not 00:37:09.619 --> 00:37:12.800 speaking with you but were there any other family 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:18.019 members or friends or someone who who may know 00:37:18.019 --> 00:37:23.800 something no i've approached friends of him like 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.360 he's friends not my friends um they don't know 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.940 and they try to message him but they get the 00:37:31.940 --> 00:37:36.320 same as i like his number is is inactive he's 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:41.599 not receiving any message yeah can i ask a difficult 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:43.960 question and again please feel free to not answer 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:49.119 um if you look back so january you had those 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.360 two incidents where he kept your child too long 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:56.420 you know violated his custody agreement Is there 00:37:56.420 --> 00:37:58.400 anything you would have done differently between 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:04.860 January and May? Between January and May? I mean, 00:38:04.940 --> 00:38:09.860 besides not sending him for access? Yeah, definitely 00:38:09.860 --> 00:38:15.599 I wouldn't. You know, I wasn't really convinced 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:20.559 to send him back. But obviously I was the one 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.440 breaching the court order by not sending him. 00:38:24.179 --> 00:38:27.840 And I also asked my son, I asked Caleb, do you 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:31.840 want to go? I explained to him all the time why 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.500 I was not sending him. I'm not sending you because 00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:36.679 I don't know if he's going to bring you back. 00:38:37.099 --> 00:38:40.099 He won't bring you back. I can't send you. But 00:38:40.099 --> 00:38:43.480 I never failed to call for the video calls on 00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:49.579 Wednesday. Not once. And so I asked him, I asked 00:38:49.579 --> 00:38:52.400 him, do you want to go to your father's house? 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.719 And his answer was, I do, but I don't want to 00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:00.119 go for a long time. That was his answer. Wow. 00:39:00.579 --> 00:39:03.820 Yeah. Wow. It's like, you know, he wants to see 00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:06.920 his dad. But he doesn't want to stay there for, 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.619 yeah. Yeah. Wow, that's tough. I mean, I just, 00:39:12.739 --> 00:39:16.420 I really, I'm at this point now where I don't 00:39:16.420 --> 00:39:19.780 even know what more to say, what to ask you, 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:24.250 just because it's... It's a lot, you know, and 00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:31.130 it's, yeah, it's just too much. And I'm so sorry 00:39:31.130 --> 00:39:35.809 that you are going through this. Is there anything 00:39:35.809 --> 00:39:40.309 that you want to add? No, only that, you know, 00:39:40.309 --> 00:39:42.630 just if there's anything that this episode can 00:39:42.630 --> 00:39:45.550 do, obviously we hope that this episode can spread 00:39:45.550 --> 00:39:48.789 awareness and give any information for folks 00:39:48.789 --> 00:39:51.940 that are out there that might have. access to 00:39:51.940 --> 00:39:54.840 information. Secondly, I hope that this episode 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.500 can raise awareness around child abduction generally, 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.039 that this is not something that happens only 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.940 from strangers or only, you know, to certain 00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:04.599 types of people or anything like that. This is 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.599 something that could affect all of us in our 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.800 families. And I think also it's important to 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.519 note that the person suffering here is the child. 00:40:13.860 --> 00:40:17.139 Obviously yourself, Daylen, but the person that's 00:40:17.139 --> 00:40:20.500 really at risk here is the child. And so... I 00:40:20.500 --> 00:40:23.320 hope that adults listening can do everything 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:25.139 within their power to make the right decisions. 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.780 Thank you so much for being with us, Daylene. 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:30.260 Thank you for having me. We really hope that 00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:33.579 we can get this message out and help you find 00:40:33.579 --> 00:40:37.079 Caleb as soon as possible. Thank you for having 00:40:37.079 --> 00:41:11.510 me. Thank you. I hope so too. Thank you. Thank 00:41:11.510 --> 00:41:18.969 you. Wow. Sorry, I am... It's just... Oh, man.