WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.740 Guys, we have some exciting news. The 40s Formula 00:00:02.740 --> 00:00:06.400 is going live on August 14th at the Green Collective 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:08.660 at Funan Mall. We are going to dive deep into 00:00:08.660 --> 00:00:10.839 the science, myths, and struggles around sugar 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:13.640 addiction. Breakfast and coffee are on us, thanks 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.199 to the generous sponsors, Guzman y Gomez. It's 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:18.640 a small and intimate event with only 15 spots, 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:20.800 so it's first come, first served. Tickets are 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:23.480 only 20 bucks, and that includes breakfast and 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:25.960 $5 towards your purchase at the Green Collective. 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:27.739 Come and join us for a conversation that might 00:00:27.739 --> 00:00:30.820 change the way you eat. Think and fail. I got 00:00:30.820 --> 00:00:33.500 diagnosed with cancer. We chose to remove my 00:00:33.500 --> 00:00:37.240 cervix. I started chemotherapy two weeks after 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:40.039 my 32nd birthday. After 11 hours of chemotherapy, 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:42.479 I went straight into menopause. Like it took 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:44.899 away everything and it almost took my career. 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:47.240 I felt like such an imposter. What if they think 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:49.380 that I'm not good enough to be in the job? She 00:00:49.380 --> 00:00:52.600 doesn't have to be that one in 10 women that 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:54.920 leave the workplace because of menopause. Globally, 00:00:54.920 --> 00:01:00.039 it's costing GDP 120 billion US dollars. struggling 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.020 with brain fog, memory loss, focus, concentration. 00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:06.640 That part of my story is not unique. Most of 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:09.069 the women I speak to now. All going through that. 00:01:09.170 --> 00:01:11.370 I want women to know that there is a solution 00:01:11.370 --> 00:01:14.450 to every single symptom that they feel. My gold 00:01:14.450 --> 00:01:16.750 star would be to have a specific menopause policy. 00:01:17.049 --> 00:01:20.069 Fear comes from a lack of knowledge. I am just 00:01:20.069 --> 00:01:22.810 so determined to give women this knowledge that 00:01:22.810 --> 00:01:26.790 you can thrive. You just need to be armed with 00:01:26.790 --> 00:01:29.870 information. And your menopause experience can 00:01:29.870 --> 00:01:32.829 be largely determined by your genetics. It is 00:01:32.829 --> 00:01:35.230 also largely determined on your lifestyle. Every 00:01:35.230 --> 00:01:38.510 one of us will go through it. women will experience 00:01:38.510 --> 00:01:42.769 it uniquely be unapologetic why are we so afraid 00:01:42.769 --> 00:01:47.930 to say the word menopause yeah our bodies are 00:01:47.930 --> 00:01:50.849 superhuman if you treat it well it will give 00:01:50.849 --> 00:01:53.030 you back it's like a boomerang effect if you 00:01:53.030 --> 00:02:11.669 look after it it will look after you Hey, and 00:02:11.669 --> 00:02:13.949 welcome to The 40s Formula, your go -to place 00:02:13.949 --> 00:02:16.090 for insightful discussions on navigating the 00:02:16.090 --> 00:02:18.250 40s and thriving in this transformative decade. 00:02:19.050 --> 00:02:21.990 We're your hosts, Jasmine and Amanda, two women 00:02:21.990 --> 00:02:24.090 that are passionate about exploring the challenges 00:02:24.090 --> 00:02:26.530 and adventures that come with turning 40 and 00:02:26.530 --> 00:02:37.650 what lies ahead. 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So probably one of the most 00:04:49.180 --> 00:04:52.339 requested topics here at the 40s Formula is anything 00:04:52.339 --> 00:04:54.420 to do with menopause. And we've hit it from all 00:04:54.420 --> 00:04:56.620 angles. We talk about how menopause affects sex, 00:04:56.699 --> 00:04:58.879 how menopause affects your muscles, but we've 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.079 never actually had a chat about how menopause 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.579 affects you at work. And that's why we are so 00:05:03.579 --> 00:05:06.180 excited today to have corporate menopause champion 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:09.720 Lisa Tarkini with us today. Hello. Thank you 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:11.620 so much for having me today. Thank you so much 00:05:11.620 --> 00:05:13.500 for coming. And we were just chatting off air 00:05:13.500 --> 00:05:16.720 about your compelling personal story with menopause. 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:20.120 Do you mind sharing that with us? So I was first 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:26.360 diagnosed with cervical cancer in 2011. So I 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:31.810 was 31 years old and I was. living my best life 00:05:31.810 --> 00:05:34.370 in Rome with my now husband. Thankfully, he stuck 00:05:34.370 --> 00:05:39.449 around. And I got diagnosed with cancer in Italian. 00:05:39.449 --> 00:05:42.750 It was cancro, so it was nicer. And I chose to 00:05:42.750 --> 00:05:47.350 go back to Northern Ireland to get a second opinion. 00:05:47.889 --> 00:05:51.629 And we chose to remove my cervix. And then six 00:05:51.629 --> 00:05:56.139 months later, the tumour. returned and so I started 00:05:56.139 --> 00:05:59.120 chemotherapy two weeks after my 32nd birthday 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:03.360 in January 2012 and after 11 hours of chemotherapy 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.139 I went straight into menopause it shut off my 00:06:06.139 --> 00:06:08.600 ovaries oh geez that's just giving me goosebumps 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.160 like hearing that so yeah I've been in menopause 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.620 now for 13 years oh wow yeah And obviously that 00:06:15.620 --> 00:06:19.040 happening to you at 32 means that really affected 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.360 your family planning. Like it took away everything. 00:06:21.500 --> 00:06:25.560 I was asked before I had started chemotherapy, 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:29.980 did I want to preserve my eggs? But because the 00:06:29.980 --> 00:06:32.160 cancer was so aggressive, I said, look, let's 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.160 just get on with the treatment. And the oncologist 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:36.939 said that she was very happy to hear me say that 00:06:36.939 --> 00:06:39.339 because she didn't think we had enough time. 00:06:39.819 --> 00:06:42.779 to do that. So, yeah, it took my fertility. Yeah. 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:44.600 Do you mind sharing the happy ending to that 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:48.240 story? I do. Yeah. It's been a journey. And the 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.639 first five years of my, I suppose, cancer journey 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.399 were riddled with mental health issues and the 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:01.420 mental impact almost took my life in 2017. where 00:07:01.420 --> 00:07:04.339 I almost stepped in front of a bus. But having 00:07:04.339 --> 00:07:07.000 never had mental health issues and never felt 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:10.139 suicidal in my life, you know, I thankfully shook 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:13.240 it off and recognised that I needed to go and 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.240 speak to the doctor. And she gave me an SSRI, 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:22.019 an antidepressant, to help my body absorb and 00:07:22.019 --> 00:07:25.769 reuptake serotonin, the happy hormone. And within 00:07:25.769 --> 00:07:28.430 two weeks, it was night and day. She saved my 00:07:28.430 --> 00:07:32.230 life, you know. And before that, you know, I've 00:07:32.230 --> 00:07:34.110 always wanted a family. And my husband and I, 00:07:34.149 --> 00:07:37.069 when we first met on a beach in Dubai, I think 00:07:37.069 --> 00:07:38.990 one of my first conversations was because he 00:07:38.990 --> 00:07:41.629 was 10 years older. Do you want to have a family? 00:07:41.850 --> 00:07:45.170 And he said, yes, absolutely. So before I was 00:07:45.170 --> 00:07:49.589 given what I call my miracle pill that changed 00:07:49.589 --> 00:07:52.610 my life, I didn't think I could be a mom because 00:07:52.610 --> 00:07:57.209 I was so riddled with. dark times and mood lows 00:07:57.209 --> 00:08:03.009 and low energy. And then shortly after I started 00:08:03.009 --> 00:08:05.350 to feel better, I said, OK, let's get started. 00:08:05.629 --> 00:08:09.899 And so we chose to have surrogate babies. Amazing. 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.939 So our babies were born in California. Wow. Alfredo 00:08:13.939 --> 00:08:17.319 was born in 2019 and Stella was born in 2020. 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:21.079 So there's five months apart. Amazing. Congratulations. 00:08:21.540 --> 00:08:24.079 Thank you so much. That's a beautiful story. 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:25.879 That's almost like having twins, isn't it? It 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.220 is. It is, yeah. Five months. I'd say that for 00:08:28.220 --> 00:08:30.579 all intents and purposes, that counts. That's 00:08:30.579 --> 00:08:32.039 real close. They would call that Irish twins. 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:34.539 Irish twins. There we go. You can say that, right? 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.480 That's definitely true. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Well, 00:08:37.500 --> 00:08:39.279 thank you for sharing that. deep element of your 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.179 personal journey, it obviously makes sense now 00:08:41.179 --> 00:08:44.139 why you felt compelled to start a company that 00:08:44.139 --> 00:08:46.600 helps women in this space. So two years after 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:51.009 I finished my um cancer treatment I felt much 00:08:51.009 --> 00:08:54.509 stronger and I wanted to get my career back I 00:08:54.509 --> 00:08:58.570 was lucky enough to get the job as the sports 00:08:58.570 --> 00:09:00.529 nutrition manager at the Hong Kong Sports Institute 00:09:00.529 --> 00:09:03.289 in Hong Kong working with the Olympic athletes 00:09:03.289 --> 00:09:08.769 and so we came to Hong Kong in 2014 and when 00:09:08.769 --> 00:09:11.649 you're working with one percent of the population 00:09:12.700 --> 00:09:16.259 who are training for Asian Games or Olympics, 00:09:16.460 --> 00:09:20.279 they expect you to know your research. They want 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.100 you to know the latest research on protein for, 00:09:23.379 --> 00:09:27.600 you know, recovery and things like that, or carbohydrate 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:31.019 for fueling or, you know, which supplements are 00:09:31.019 --> 00:09:33.000 going to, you know, enhance their performance. 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.139 And I knew the information, but I couldn't get 00:09:37.139 --> 00:09:41.730 it out. When I was reading scientific journals, 00:09:41.830 --> 00:09:45.309 I honestly had to read the abstract at least 00:09:45.309 --> 00:09:48.409 five times. And even then I couldn't retain it. 00:09:48.769 --> 00:09:52.629 And so I retreated. So I had a team of 10 and 00:09:52.629 --> 00:09:55.090 I was lucky to have, you know, dieticians and 00:09:55.090 --> 00:09:57.190 biochemists who were so exceptional at their 00:09:57.190 --> 00:10:00.870 job. That is most good managers I delegated. 00:10:01.110 --> 00:10:05.480 And I kind of retreated back from. working hands 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:08.440 on and I took a more managerial approach. And, 00:10:08.460 --> 00:10:10.460 you know, we put some great systems in place 00:10:10.460 --> 00:10:13.559 at the Sports Institute. We revamped the food 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.659 provision and things like that. So so the job 00:10:16.659 --> 00:10:19.100 was still great. But my love to work with the 00:10:19.100 --> 00:10:22.000 athletes, you know, I really miss that. And it 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.720 almost took my career. You know, I felt like 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:26.559 such an imposter. What if they think that I'm 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:29.539 not good enough to be in the job? And it wasn't 00:10:29.539 --> 00:10:32.240 until, you know, after my doctor had given me 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.440 this SSRI and I recognised, oh, my God, my memory's 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:37.960 working and I can retain this information. I 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:40.759 know this answer, you know, and I was able to 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:44.220 get that information out to the athletes. I found 00:10:44.220 --> 00:10:47.899 my confidence again. That part of my story is 00:10:47.899 --> 00:10:52.200 not unique. That part of my story where I was 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.019 struggling with brain fog, memory loss, focus, 00:10:55.179 --> 00:10:58.700 concentration, retention of information. Most 00:10:58.700 --> 00:11:02.179 of the women I speak to now, all going through 00:11:02.179 --> 00:11:04.820 that and feeling exceptionally vulnerable in 00:11:04.820 --> 00:11:10.259 their workplaces. And this is why I set up the 00:11:10.259 --> 00:11:14.179 menopause space, because a career airtight personality 00:11:14.179 --> 00:11:17.620 like myself. I want women to know that there 00:11:17.620 --> 00:11:20.139 is a solution to every single symptom that they 00:11:20.139 --> 00:11:24.480 feel and to help them identify it sooner. Not 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:27.139 be a hero. Don't leave it too late to ask for 00:11:27.139 --> 00:11:29.659 help and get the help quicker and just close 00:11:29.659 --> 00:11:32.259 that gap so you can thrive, you know, through 00:11:32.259 --> 00:11:35.179 your career. All right, big news. The Guzmani 00:11:35.179 --> 00:11:37.320 Gomez app has officially launched in Singapore 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.919 and we are already hooked. Yes, it's giving convenience 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.019 with standards. 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And then 00:12:40.460 --> 00:12:42.840 also you don't know what's happening because 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:46.080 you don't put the two together. Yeah. I personally 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.389 thought that I had dementia. Because I went into 00:12:50.389 --> 00:12:52.990 early menopause, dementia runs in my dad's side 00:12:52.990 --> 00:12:56.610 of the family. And so I, that's what I thought 00:12:56.610 --> 00:13:01.389 I had. I didn't recognize that, that I didn't 00:13:01.389 --> 00:13:03.529 know the knowledge. I hadn't the knowledge on 00:13:03.529 --> 00:13:07.049 menopause and the kind of the symptoms that it 00:13:07.049 --> 00:13:10.429 presented itself with. And I didn't put two and 00:13:10.429 --> 00:13:14.399 two together. And so women today are still. you 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.779 know, unaware of this, but also women who may 00:13:17.779 --> 00:13:21.480 be, you know, in these big positions, highly 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.480 stressed, naturally would have been able to manage 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.100 that, you know, in their 30s, early 40s, mid 00:13:28.100 --> 00:13:31.320 40s and beyond. They're now thinking, oh, my 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.980 God, do I have a brain tumour? You know, do I 00:13:33.980 --> 00:13:38.139 have dementia? You know, and instead of having 00:13:38.139 --> 00:13:40.019 this awareness and knowledge and information 00:13:40.019 --> 00:13:44.169 to say, oh, it's it's i'm going through a hormonal 00:13:44.169 --> 00:13:46.429 transition and i need to go and see my doctor 00:13:46.429 --> 00:13:48.789 to get help with that so that's the importance 00:13:48.789 --> 00:13:51.230 of the awareness you know yeah and you just hit 00:13:51.230 --> 00:13:53.629 the nail on the head with the confusion around 00:13:53.629 --> 00:13:56.669 is this a symptom or am i degrading right am 00:13:56.669 --> 00:13:58.950 i declining yes and i came across that study 00:13:58.950 --> 00:14:00.450 which i'm sure you're intimately familiar with 00:14:00.450 --> 00:14:03.049 about the menopause penalty yes and the basically 00:14:03.049 --> 00:14:06.830 the idea that employment options are fewer Women 00:14:06.830 --> 00:14:09.309 are being penalized in the workplace for what 00:14:09.309 --> 00:14:12.809 they're perceiving as their mental and physical 00:14:12.809 --> 00:14:17.549 decline. But in fact, this is related to menopause, 00:14:17.570 --> 00:14:20.809 right? So how do you help women, first of all, 00:14:20.830 --> 00:14:23.440 kind of suss out their symptoms? And then how 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:26.500 do you help them not be penalized by the symptoms 00:14:26.500 --> 00:14:28.559 that they experience? There's just this great 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:32.440 need for mass basic education, you know. And 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:34.820 thankfully, the conversation has accelerated 00:14:34.820 --> 00:14:36.799 in the last few years, particularly at this side 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:39.820 of the world. So how we help women recognize 00:14:39.820 --> 00:14:43.559 their symptoms, there's a few ways. We have a 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.919 menopause symptom tracker that we have as a resource 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.840 on the website. But we go into workplaces and 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:53.759 we talk like this. You know, we don't go in from 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:56.700 a medical perspective and we go in from real 00:14:56.700 --> 00:15:01.220 story perspective. But also, you know, my first 00:15:01.220 --> 00:15:03.840 job is science and nutrition and well -being. 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.960 And so it has to be evidence based. So just telling 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.259 them the story and having a conversation helps 00:15:11.259 --> 00:15:13.700 other women then open up and share what they're 00:15:13.700 --> 00:15:16.399 going through. And so that creates awareness 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:19.620 and that creates a form of education that they 00:15:19.620 --> 00:15:22.940 haven't already had. community can then help 00:15:22.940 --> 00:15:26.679 signpost. We do deliver very specific training 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:30.679 within organisations on senior leader training 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:34.559 to help create advocacy. We also help design 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:38.259 policy within organisations so that there is 00:15:38.259 --> 00:15:41.200 support in terms of benefits and insurance. There's 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.019 a long way to go there. At the minute, within 00:15:44.019 --> 00:15:48.279 particularly big, all organisations, big global 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.409 organisations, MNCs are definitely coming further 00:15:52.409 --> 00:15:55.129 and further ahead but it's still initial stages 00:15:55.129 --> 00:15:58.490 here at this side of the world but it's it's 00:15:58.490 --> 00:16:00.870 getting much better give us an example of one 00:16:00.870 --> 00:16:03.289 of the policies that you might design to support 00:16:03.289 --> 00:16:06.070 women through this the term policy unfortunately 00:16:06.070 --> 00:16:11.279 um businesses kind of shy away from because they 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.919 feel it's quite a concrete term. But actually, 00:16:14.059 --> 00:16:17.500 when we had our flagship event in October last 00:16:17.500 --> 00:16:21.879 year, we had an employment lawyer on who, you 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.620 know, spoke about the word policy doesn't hold 00:16:24.620 --> 00:16:27.740 legal, real connotations to it. But that's OK. 00:16:27.860 --> 00:16:30.700 In the beginning stages, we help organisations 00:16:30.700 --> 00:16:34.710 with their menopause guidelines. So we look at 00:16:34.710 --> 00:16:36.870 reasonable adjustments within the workplace. 00:16:37.789 --> 00:16:41.789 So that could be anything from. identifying where 00:16:41.789 --> 00:16:45.490 the cooler spots of the office are. I like that 00:16:45.490 --> 00:16:49.169 one. Yeah, but they have big, you know, these 00:16:49.169 --> 00:16:51.809 organisations are huge. So there should be temperature 00:16:51.809 --> 00:16:54.210 control at certain parts of the office, possibly 00:16:54.210 --> 00:16:57.850 lighting for those who are suffering from migraines 00:16:57.850 --> 00:16:59.990 and even for women going through their normal 00:16:59.990 --> 00:17:02.269 menstrual cycle who have, you know, menstrual 00:17:02.269 --> 00:17:05.609 migraines as well, where they have different 00:17:05.609 --> 00:17:08.609 areas. And some women have hypersensitivity to 00:17:08.609 --> 00:17:11.750 sound, smell. So just being able to identify 00:17:11.750 --> 00:17:14.509 those hotspots where maybe they can have a, you 00:17:14.509 --> 00:17:17.190 know, a hot seat, a table or a room. Away from 00:17:17.190 --> 00:17:19.869 the toilets. Away from the toilets, flexible 00:17:19.869 --> 00:17:25.829 working. So we advise on that currently, not 00:17:25.829 --> 00:17:29.950 necessarily to have, my gold star would be to 00:17:29.950 --> 00:17:32.549 have a specific menopause policy, but actually 00:17:32.549 --> 00:17:36.009 having a women's health policy in place with. 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.339 menstruation, maternity, menopause and mental 00:17:39.339 --> 00:17:43.759 health on that and then having that as a roadmap 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.859 for an internal women's health hub on an intranet 00:17:47.859 --> 00:17:49.460 or learning management system within the organisation. 00:17:49.779 --> 00:17:52.980 So we're advising on that currently. Organisations 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:56.400 are pleasantly surprised at how much they do 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.700 already offer. That's promising. But there's 00:17:58.700 --> 00:18:01.880 just, the context isn't there because menopause 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.200 is still a dirty word in these big corporates. 00:18:05.309 --> 00:18:07.549 Women don't want to talk about it because they 00:18:07.549 --> 00:18:09.849 don't want to seem weak. Men don't understand 00:18:09.849 --> 00:18:12.069 how to talk about it. Senior leaders are more 00:18:12.069 --> 00:18:16.309 focused on numbers. But we help them bring the 00:18:16.309 --> 00:18:20.690 human centric approach to it. And we advocate 00:18:20.690 --> 00:18:23.769 for those going through it and those. wanting 00:18:23.769 --> 00:18:26.250 to help but don't know how to help as well in 00:18:26.250 --> 00:18:28.970 this side of the world do women have any legal 00:18:28.970 --> 00:18:31.130 rights when it comes to menopause or is that 00:18:31.130 --> 00:18:34.349 totally unheard of in what sense so like you 00:18:34.349 --> 00:18:36.670 know like if they're let go are they allowed 00:18:36.670 --> 00:18:40.210 to be let go because they might not be performing 00:18:40.210 --> 00:18:41.930 because of the menopause i don't know if i'm 00:18:41.930 --> 00:18:44.309 wording this correctly but you know so unfair 00:18:44.309 --> 00:18:46.750 dismissal for example yes so you know like for 00:18:46.750 --> 00:18:48.849 example um when you have when you're going through 00:18:48.849 --> 00:18:52.920 uh pregnancy You know, you can't be let go of. 00:18:53.099 --> 00:18:54.839 I think that's correct. Is that correct here? 00:18:54.940 --> 00:18:56.900 Or is that different? Have I got the wrong end 00:18:56.900 --> 00:18:59.319 of the stick? Again, I am not a lawyer in this 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.400 area, but I. Don't think that those protections 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.619 exist in Singapore. I'm not sure. Oh, gosh, I 00:19:04.619 --> 00:19:06.400 doubt it. I don't think there's been a case. 00:19:06.500 --> 00:19:08.720 So there's no protection. In the US, absolutely. 00:19:08.819 --> 00:19:12.619 In the UK as well, unfair dismissal. I think 00:19:12.619 --> 00:19:17.099 this conversation is only just beginning. Employment 00:19:17.099 --> 00:19:19.619 laws are different here at this side of the world 00:19:19.619 --> 00:19:22.559 as well. And obviously, if we think about, you 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:24.839 know, we're here in Singapore today. I work, 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:27.940 you know, across the APAC region and every country 00:19:27.940 --> 00:19:30.220 in every region has their. different nuances 00:19:30.220 --> 00:19:35.259 and and cultures and laws and um so you know 00:19:35.259 --> 00:19:38.619 there's to my mind um to date i don't think there 00:19:38.619 --> 00:19:41.740 has been a dismissal case an unfair dismissal 00:19:41.740 --> 00:19:44.059 case because of menopause symptoms yeah that's 00:19:44.059 --> 00:19:46.440 good to hear yeah that there hasn't been something 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:49.200 well there there possibly could have been yeah 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:51.619 they just the woman hasn't got a leg to stand 00:19:51.619 --> 00:19:53.460 on or doesn't have the confidence to to fight 00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:55.759 her corner you know well again you just mentioned 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:58.960 the four m's right so menstruation maternity 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:01.079 menopause, and again, mental health not being 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.900 necessarily a... you know, a moment in time, 00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:06.299 but just kind of an overarching umbrella. Women 00:20:06.299 --> 00:20:09.140 are constantly being penalized for changes in 00:20:09.140 --> 00:20:11.259 their biology. Yes. You know, I remember when 00:20:11.259 --> 00:20:13.119 I was a gymnast, you know, competitive gymnast 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:16.180 being terrified of getting my period. Yes. And 00:20:16.180 --> 00:20:17.859 first of all, competitive gymnasts at our level. 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:19.400 And again, especially back in the day where we 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:21.180 didn't have as much nutrition support and information, 00:20:21.500 --> 00:20:24.140 you know, it was like you didn't want to get 00:20:24.140 --> 00:20:26.559 your period. So you wanted to extend as far as 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:28.180 you could into your gymnastics career before 00:20:28.180 --> 00:20:30.359 you got it. Right. Yes. And I remember thinking, 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:31.920 oh, my gosh, because. what's going to happen 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:33.700 is i'm going to gain a bunch of weight i'm going 00:20:33.700 --> 00:20:35.119 to get a bunch of curves and i'm going to be 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:38.200 worse at my sport yes right so it's like even 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:41.500 back then there was this misunderstanding that 00:20:41.500 --> 00:20:43.920 the changes that are natural and healthy for 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:46.880 you yes you should be fearful of yes what i worry 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:49.180 about right when we talk about the four m's in 00:20:49.180 --> 00:20:52.720 the workplace is like does it in any way create 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:55.599 fear or trepidation around these things? Because 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:56.980 like, well, here's all the symptoms you might 00:20:56.980 --> 00:20:59.440 experience that might affect your career negatively. 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:01.579 How do you spin it to be like, no, no, no, this 00:21:01.579 --> 00:21:04.240 is empowering you with knowledge, right? To know 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:07.099 what's coming. That's a great question. And yes, 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:10.359 the fear is real. Is real. I'm shaking in my 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:12.779 boots as a premenopausal woman, right? Like what 00:21:12.779 --> 00:21:18.920 is to come? The fear is real and it's very sad. 00:21:19.589 --> 00:21:22.049 that we have fear around this stage of life. 00:21:22.210 --> 00:21:24.809 And fear comes from a lack of knowledge. And 00:21:24.809 --> 00:21:28.529 that's where, you know, I am just so determined 00:21:28.529 --> 00:21:31.990 to give women this knowledge that you can thrive. 00:21:32.369 --> 00:21:36.089 You just need to be armed with information. You 00:21:36.089 --> 00:21:41.190 have so many choices on symptom management and 00:21:41.190 --> 00:21:45.910 you can choose how you want to have a menopause 00:21:45.910 --> 00:21:49.099 experience. And your menopause experience, you 00:21:49.099 --> 00:21:51.940 know, can be largely determined by your genetics, 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:54.859 maybe how your mum went through it, but it is 00:21:54.859 --> 00:21:58.140 also largely determined on your lifestyle. And 00:21:58.140 --> 00:22:02.039 you can have now medicinal support for that. 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:06.440 We are here in Southeast Asia, so we do have 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:08.480 access to traditional Chinese medicine. We have 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.880 acupuncture and these, the West versus East doesn't 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.420 have to exist. They can complement each other 00:22:14.420 --> 00:22:18.099 as well. So it's really important that we continue 00:22:18.099 --> 00:22:21.200 through the education progress and that is going 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.750 to take a generation. And, you know, I'm 45 and 00:22:24.750 --> 00:22:29.569 I see a whole shift in my friendship groups are 00:22:29.569 --> 00:22:32.750 all learning about this. You know, the generation 00:22:32.750 --> 00:22:36.650 above us are, you know, possibly through it and 00:22:36.650 --> 00:22:40.089 they got lost. And unfortunately, they didn't 00:22:40.089 --> 00:22:41.829 have the resources that we now have. It's so 00:22:41.829 --> 00:22:44.029 sad, isn't it? When I think back to my mum, my 00:22:44.029 --> 00:22:46.390 mother -in -law, my aunts, I'm thinking, God, 00:22:46.710 --> 00:22:52.799 what you guys must have gone through. We are 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:54.660 empowered. We're at this point now in our time 00:22:54.660 --> 00:22:57.440 where we're getting the knowledge and the support 00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:59.460 and the help that we need. But they didn't have 00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:01.519 it. No. And they were continually, I'm sure, 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:05.319 at least some women, self -blaming. Yeah. community 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:08.119 groups didn't talk about it there was shame like 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:10.039 we've done this to ourselves as well as women 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:14.019 you know we're quite judgy and um we dismiss 00:23:14.019 --> 00:23:16.799 other friends if we're stronger and you know 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:19.240 they're just you know not strong enough to and 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:22.339 you know that has to stop as well we have to 00:23:22.339 --> 00:23:25.920 start supporting each other and recognize that 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.440 you know menopause yes it happens to 100 of the 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:32.119 female population every one of us will go through 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:36.579 it every Women will experience it uniquely. And 00:23:36.579 --> 00:23:39.240 just because you might have had an easy ride 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.920 doesn't mean that your friend has to have an 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:44.839 easy ride. Your friend may be, you know, having 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.359 a tougher ride than you. And having that empathy 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:50.339 is really important. I feel sometimes, though, 00:23:50.380 --> 00:23:52.859 it's hard to have true empathy if you haven't 00:23:52.859 --> 00:23:56.200 experienced it yourself. But that's where knowledge 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.279 comes in and active listening and just being 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.079 there, you know, which is so important. Well, 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:03.980 I think you just, you know, discuss kind of what 00:24:03.980 --> 00:24:06.240 is the strategy for men? in menopause, right? 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:08.240 They will never be through it. Yes. So what can 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.920 they do? Yes. Be active listeners, be there, 00:24:10.940 --> 00:24:13.539 be supportive, right? Yes. How else do you work 00:24:13.539 --> 00:24:15.059 with men that, you know, like I said, first of 00:24:15.059 --> 00:24:16.779 all, will never experience and have never experienced 00:24:16.779 --> 00:24:18.500 any of the M's, maybe the mental health one, 00:24:18.579 --> 00:24:21.259 they're welcome to that one. But how do you work 00:24:21.259 --> 00:24:23.500 with men that will never have never and maybe 00:24:23.500 --> 00:24:26.420 can't even get in the shoes of a menopausal woman? 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:28.799 So there's a couple of things when it comes to 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:32.259 men and menopause. And one that I would like 00:24:32.259 --> 00:24:35.579 to talk about first is It's not their fault. 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.099 Definitely not. We haven't understood what's 00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:40.640 been going on in our bodies. Like my mom doesn't 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:42.900 even talk about menopause. She's 68, you know, 00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:46.000 and I did an event yesterday with two wonderful 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.880 women from Singapore. And, you know, they have 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:51.799 just been through their crazy experiences and 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.079 they were quite extreme, a bit like mine. And, 00:24:54.099 --> 00:24:56.599 you know, they couldn't communicate it with their 00:24:56.599 --> 00:24:59.099 husband because they didn't know what to communicate. 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:01.799 And so the knowledge has to start with us as 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:05.250 women so that we can articulate. what's happening 00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:10.210 and how we need men to help us and support us. 00:25:10.309 --> 00:25:12.390 We have to give them a hand because they don't 00:25:12.390 --> 00:25:14.869 experience it. But the other way that we work 00:25:14.869 --> 00:25:18.750 with men is I have a partnership with a wonderful 00:25:18.750 --> 00:25:21.170 company in the UK called Over the Bloody Moon. 00:25:21.369 --> 00:25:23.089 I love that name. First of all, love it. Tell 00:25:23.089 --> 00:25:26.670 me more about it. So good. Love Leslie. And she 00:25:26.670 --> 00:25:32.269 created a meno vest. It's the world's only menopause 00:25:32.269 --> 00:25:36.430 simulator. And it simulates hot flushes like 00:25:36.430 --> 00:25:40.769 a woman will experience them. Wow. Can we get 00:25:40.769 --> 00:25:43.289 this in Singapore? I've got it. I've got the 00:25:43.289 --> 00:25:46.009 franchise for Asia. I was at an event with a 00:25:46.009 --> 00:25:48.650 company yesterday and one of the male senior 00:25:48.650 --> 00:25:51.230 leaders wore it and gave his feedback on it. 00:25:51.349 --> 00:25:54.809 Yeah, those hot flushes are... It's such a powerful 00:25:54.809 --> 00:25:57.490 tool, right? So it's like a gilet. The man will 00:25:57.490 --> 00:26:02.170 experience a hot flush and he won't know when 00:26:02.170 --> 00:26:05.680 it's coming. how hot it's going to be and how 00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:08.619 long it's going to last for and how often it's 00:26:08.619 --> 00:26:11.799 going to come and when we ask mental worthies 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:16.500 we we ask them to you know really think of the 00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:19.799 role play as if they are a woman and to have 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:23.019 the respect of that and not to joke oh you know 00:26:23.019 --> 00:26:25.480 this isn't that hot and things like that and 00:26:26.269 --> 00:26:29.089 We also then ask them, how did it impact your 00:26:29.089 --> 00:26:32.210 mental health? And so yesterday, the feedback 00:26:32.210 --> 00:26:35.690 from this particular senior leader was, one, 00:26:35.829 --> 00:26:38.349 I'm so sorry, ladies, that you have had to experience 00:26:38.349 --> 00:26:41.589 this. He couldn't concentrate on the conversation 00:26:41.589 --> 00:26:45.089 in detail because he was thinking about when 00:26:45.089 --> 00:26:48.450 the next one was coming. And it was so hot. It's 00:26:48.450 --> 00:26:50.049 actually making me a bit emotional because I 00:26:50.049 --> 00:26:52.369 actually remember having going through those 00:26:52.369 --> 00:26:55.200 hot flushes and it. it's not enough this is weird 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.539 it's the first time i'm actually getting emotional 00:26:56.539 --> 00:26:59.839 during a podcast but it was really tough it's 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.200 horrible like you know you you don't know what's 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:03.720 happening you don't know when it's coming and 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.940 it does not feel nice oh wow this is this is 00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:09.759 her first ever cry by the way i cry all the time 00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:12.880 because you know like you think oh it's just 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:14.960 a hot flash but it's not just a hot flash that's 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.460 the thing it's not particularly working with 00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:20.539 women in the workplace who are in those senior 00:27:20.539 --> 00:27:23.480 leader roles you know and just general employees 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.400 right um as well like every woman in that in 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:32.240 in those organizations who have to deliver who 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.700 have important jobs like the lady yesterday was 00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:38.059 an ip lawyer she gets paid for her breathing 00:27:38.059 --> 00:27:40.839 yes yeah and honest to goodness you know i'm 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.740 not taking away from a woman who's on a checkout 00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:46.859 or a woman who you know cleans for a living like 00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:49.519 or stay at home mom you know it's so important 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:51.960 that we recognize everybody you know every woman 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.900 goes through this in the roles that they play 00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:57.079 on a daily basis particularly with my job and 00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:00.500 seeing the vulnerability you know like you Jasmine 00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:02.700 and you know women in these leadership roles 00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:07.440 who are just distraught and don't know and think 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.259 about leaving so with the questions that you 00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:14.279 sent one of them you know came up this morning 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.940 just randomly after I read it and a dear friend 00:28:16.940 --> 00:28:22.680 of mine in Hong Kong is head of HR for a global 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:27.759 company and she is currently in New York. And 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:31.839 she bumped into an old friend who has been with 00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:35.299 this global company for 20 years. She moved from 00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:37.619 Hong Kong to London, is currently living in London. 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.720 She was distraught and she had come to New York 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.420 to hand in her notice because she is suffering 00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:51.400 so badly with menopausal symptoms. And she is 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:55.259 not being heard. Even in the UK, where they seem 00:28:55.259 --> 00:29:00.089 to be. ahead of the game in this space. She is 00:29:00.089 --> 00:29:02.690 being dismissed. She is not being listened to. 00:29:02.869 --> 00:29:06.829 She is being pawned off and she just doesn't 00:29:06.829 --> 00:29:09.430 feel like she can do the job. Now, having been 00:29:09.430 --> 00:29:13.250 in this global company for 20 years, she's a 00:29:13.250 --> 00:29:17.230 big player and she has two big roles. And my 00:29:17.230 --> 00:29:20.690 friend was just like, no, no, you can't hand 00:29:20.690 --> 00:29:24.319 in your notice. Let me help. As head of HR, please 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.039 let me help. Because I'm her friend and I'm doing 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.059 all of this work in this space and I've done 00:29:29.059 --> 00:29:31.839 some work within their company. She knew what 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:35.259 she had to do. So she said to this woman, you 00:29:35.259 --> 00:29:39.859 need to go and talk to your two line heads, managers, 00:29:40.099 --> 00:29:43.180 and you need to explain what's going on. I'm 00:29:43.180 --> 00:29:46.519 going to give you three months. off I need you 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.960 to talk to my friend Lisa and I need her to signpost 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.460 you to get the help that you need and I'm going 00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:55.240 to give you the time and space to build your 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.380 community around that it's amazing and so She 00:29:58.380 --> 00:30:00.660 then went to her senior leaders because this 00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:03.819 particular stage of the women's life cycle hasn't 00:30:03.819 --> 00:30:06.779 been brought in to this global company yet. It's 00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:11.240 coming. And so she went to those two heads of 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.200 the team and explained that the women would be 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.099 coming to talk to them about what she's going 00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:19.420 through. It's going to be a difficult conversation. 00:30:19.779 --> 00:30:22.220 This is what you need to know and you're prepared 00:30:22.220 --> 00:30:25.299 for it now. And they're like, oh, because they 00:30:25.299 --> 00:30:28.259 haven't had the training. what to do it feels 00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:31.460 like an awkward conversation yes yeah so just 00:30:31.460 --> 00:30:37.099 having conversations can support anyone yes around 00:30:37.099 --> 00:30:41.720 you make a decision that could change somebody's 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.339 life yes and my friend today made a decision 00:30:45.339 --> 00:30:49.299 that hopefully will positively impact this woman's 00:30:49.299 --> 00:30:52.720 life and that she doesn't have to be that one 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.819 in 10 women that leave the workplace because 00:30:54.819 --> 00:30:58.059 of menopause. That statistic. And I fingers crossed, 00:30:58.099 --> 00:31:00.420 I got goosebumps. I hope that that woman now 00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:03.640 gets the help that she needs so that she can 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.680 thrive. And also this company is so good and 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:11.019 this woman is so valued that they said we can 00:31:11.019 --> 00:31:13.720 find another role for her to keep her. She's 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.559 that valuable. Amazing. So that's the support. 00:31:16.750 --> 00:31:19.490 that workplaces do need to provide. And that's 00:31:19.490 --> 00:31:21.609 the infrastructure that needs to be put in place. 00:31:21.769 --> 00:31:26.750 But it's just the know -how because it's the 00:31:26.750 --> 00:31:31.490 word. What my friend did today was be a human 00:31:31.490 --> 00:31:36.269 being and to be a HR manager, to help. Take away 00:31:36.269 --> 00:31:39.809 menopause. She was a human being. And she knew 00:31:39.809 --> 00:31:42.829 that that woman, her dear friend, who was an 00:31:42.829 --> 00:31:46.289 amazing... person, high performer needed help. 00:31:46.490 --> 00:31:49.789 And she was able to offer that. So, you know, 00:31:49.809 --> 00:31:51.609 a lot of workplaces now you're going centralized 00:31:51.609 --> 00:31:54.970 and it's all about numbers and, you know, they're 00:31:54.970 --> 00:31:57.710 taking away the human centric side of the workplace 00:31:57.710 --> 00:32:01.529 that has to come back because people need help. 00:32:01.650 --> 00:32:04.250 Look, I am never cutting carbs. They're part 00:32:04.250 --> 00:32:06.230 of my training plan and they fuel my workouts. 00:32:06.549 --> 00:32:09.130 And I'm not exactly keto either, but I do have 00:32:09.130 --> 00:32:11.490 carbs. I want to enjoy them without the bloat, 00:32:11.490 --> 00:32:13.900 the crash or that nap on the floor moment. 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All I can think about, 00:32:45.410 --> 00:32:47.329 right, circling back to the menopause penalty, 00:32:47.569 --> 00:32:51.990 is women in lower SES categories, if they are 00:32:51.990 --> 00:32:54.349 leaving the workplace and that is their, you 00:32:54.349 --> 00:32:56.630 know, tasked with, you know, providing for the 00:32:56.630 --> 00:32:58.869 family, let's say, or, you know, how does the 00:32:58.869 --> 00:33:01.549 menopause penalty then disproportionately affect 00:33:01.549 --> 00:33:03.990 women in lower SES categories that might not 00:33:03.990 --> 00:33:06.029 have access to these types of resources you're 00:33:06.029 --> 00:33:09.650 describing? Significantly, you know, so they 00:33:09.650 --> 00:33:12.490 end up, you know, living off the state on disability 00:33:12.490 --> 00:33:15.339 allowance or unemployment. benefits which costs 00:33:15.339 --> 00:33:19.960 the government money as well but also not having 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:24.380 that knowledge and understanding can impact their 00:33:24.380 --> 00:33:28.140 you know home the home life the social life you 00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:30.900 know the relationships that they share whether 00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:33.160 that's with their children their partners or 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.400 their you know their family they can get become 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:41.259 lonely they can disengage from society and actually 00:33:41.259 --> 00:33:44.240 you know A few weeks ago, a teacher took her 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.339 life in England because of menopause. The coroner 00:33:47.339 --> 00:33:51.400 has stated that she had mental health issues 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:54.880 because of menopause and that she didn't get 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.640 the help that she needed and the system needs 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:01.490 to change. And so, you know, that. can have a 00:34:01.490 --> 00:34:05.890 huge impact on society as a whole from a human 00:34:05.890 --> 00:34:09.050 perspective. But also, you know, if we talk about 00:34:09.050 --> 00:34:13.030 the economic cost, you know, menopause and the 00:34:13.030 --> 00:34:17.030 loss of productivity is costing the UK 12 billion 00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:22.250 UK pounds. Japan are the only region. in Asia 00:34:22.250 --> 00:34:26.429 to release their data. It's costing them 1 .9 00:34:26.429 --> 00:34:29.250 trillion yen. I remember that headline. Yeah, 00:34:29.389 --> 00:34:32.130 so they released that last year, March last year 00:34:32.130 --> 00:34:37.250 in the Nikkei. And globally, it's costing the 00:34:37.250 --> 00:34:41.769 globe GDP 120 billion US dollars. And this is 00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:43.769 just because of a lack of awareness, a lack of 00:34:43.769 --> 00:34:47.429 knowledge, and a lack of access to best practice 00:34:47.429 --> 00:34:52.760 care. Yes. doctors aren't trained in it and not 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:54.840 every doctor wants to be a women's health specialist 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.380 particularly GPs you know they have to do so 00:34:57.380 --> 00:35:00.639 much so you know you have to know a particular 00:35:01.409 --> 00:35:06.369 primary care provider who has a specialist and 00:35:06.369 --> 00:35:09.469 want and need to help women in this phase of 00:35:09.469 --> 00:35:12.010 life. And they're few and far between, unfortunately, 00:35:12.070 --> 00:35:14.250 at the minute. Isn't it crazy that, you know, 00:35:14.250 --> 00:35:15.809 doctors don't want to be women health specialists, 00:35:15.989 --> 00:35:18.489 let's say, but then by default, if 50 % of the 00:35:18.489 --> 00:35:20.829 population is women, then they just all get to 00:35:20.829 --> 00:35:22.769 be men's health specialist. And that's, that's 00:35:22.769 --> 00:35:27.030 okay. It doesn't seem like, you know, it's like, 00:35:27.070 --> 00:35:29.269 I'm sorry that this isn't your preference, but 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:33.050 oh, well, it's half. patients so I look I wholeheartedly 00:35:33.050 --> 00:35:35.750 agree with that it drives me crazy it does I 00:35:35.750 --> 00:35:39.010 think you know if you think about the lack of 00:35:39.010 --> 00:35:41.909 research in general on women's health right the 00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:46.570 lack of provision that we've had up until this 00:35:46.570 --> 00:35:49.530 point like I think it was a decade ago that a 00:35:49.530 --> 00:35:52.489 doctor in the UK Dr Louise Newsom really started 00:35:52.489 --> 00:35:56.530 this campaign and rightly or wrongly she has 00:35:56.530 --> 00:36:01.230 been you know pulled over the coals by menopause 00:36:01.230 --> 00:36:04.710 societies you know globally and locally and you 00:36:04.710 --> 00:36:06.809 know because people don't like change but she 00:36:06.809 --> 00:36:12.019 has ruffled feathers in such a way that has been 00:36:12.019 --> 00:36:16.980 an impact for change. And she's my hero. I'm 00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:19.460 so grateful for her. And, you know, it's going 00:36:19.460 --> 00:36:21.960 to take a while for that ripple effect to happen. 00:36:22.460 --> 00:36:25.119 You know, and hopefully in the next 10 years, 00:36:25.179 --> 00:36:27.599 we'll see, you know, a huge increase in knowledge 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.460 and awareness and doctors taking accountability. 00:36:31.309 --> 00:36:33.269 I just want to go back to your point where you 00:36:33.269 --> 00:36:35.389 said that some women have to go on sort of disability 00:36:35.389 --> 00:36:39.730 allowance or or get support from the state now 00:36:39.730 --> 00:36:42.530 is that even possible and the reason I bring 00:36:42.530 --> 00:36:44.889 this up is because when it comes to things like 00:36:44.889 --> 00:36:48.030 HRT you can't get it on insurance you don't get 00:36:48.030 --> 00:36:49.969 it from the government I'm pretty sure you can't 00:36:49.969 --> 00:36:52.309 get it on NHS unless it's changed now it is yeah 00:36:52.309 --> 00:36:54.409 oh okay well that's amazing yeah because I remember 00:36:54.409 --> 00:36:57.449 years and years ago a long long time ago I used 00:36:57.449 --> 00:36:59.409 to work for the appeal service while I was at 00:36:59.409 --> 00:37:01.230 university just you know earning a little bit 00:37:01.230 --> 00:37:03.349 of money and there was a lady who turned up who 00:37:03.349 --> 00:37:07.670 was trying to get disability allowance for endometriosis 00:37:07.670 --> 00:37:10.530 because she couldn't work because she was in 00:37:10.530 --> 00:37:13.909 so much pain yeah they denied they denied her 00:37:13.909 --> 00:37:17.239 her claim that sounds like a lawsuit I mean, 00:37:17.260 --> 00:37:20.360 that can't... Look, I'm not... I'm like, you're 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.079 everything now, right, Lisa? You're a lawyer 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.119 as well, right? I think there has been a few 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:29.000 cases in the UK. You know, menopause is a natural 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.960 phase of life. Yeah. But it can cause cardiovascular 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.199 disease. Yeah. It's the number one cause of death 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.480 in women post -menopause. We just had a cardiologist 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.480 on talking about that, as a matter of fact. Brilliant, 00:37:39.500 --> 00:37:42.820 brilliant. And osteoporosis is the most prevalent 00:37:42.820 --> 00:37:45.380 of diseases. Now, both of those are preventable. 00:37:45.710 --> 00:37:49.389 But we haven't heard about this in years gone 00:37:49.389 --> 00:37:51.090 by. Because you're going to get breast cancer 00:37:51.090 --> 00:37:53.849 if you take HRT, right? Which thankfully now 00:37:53.849 --> 00:37:56.849 has changed. But there are still people who believe 00:37:56.849 --> 00:37:58.389 that. There are still people who don't know. 00:37:58.389 --> 00:38:01.630 And doctors still think that. And so that is 00:38:01.630 --> 00:38:04.670 where the next five years are going to be so 00:38:04.670 --> 00:38:09.550 important for women to have this knowledge and 00:38:09.550 --> 00:38:12.409 empowerment. But going back to, you know, having 00:38:12.409 --> 00:38:15.389 a disability, you know, other underlying. risks 00:38:15.389 --> 00:38:20.860 like type 2 diabetes or musculoskeletal issues 00:38:20.860 --> 00:38:25.539 they can cause so much pain for women in low 00:38:25.539 --> 00:38:29.360 socioeconomic areas who may not have the ability 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:33.519 to pay for a strength trainer or to eat healthy 00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:37.320 yeah sorry to say but eating healthy i'm a nutritionist 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.860 by trade and it is can be expensive particularly 00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:43.679 today yes like with it's so much easier to go 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.019 and buy a meal deal from tesco's than it would 00:38:47.019 --> 00:38:49.880 be to go and buy the veg the protein you know 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.599 the stuff you and make the means yes the time 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.199 yes and it's the time cost it's you know people 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.119 are time poor now as well and if you're suffering 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.780 with mental health because of menopause you may 00:39:01.780 --> 00:39:03.599 not have the will or the want to do anything 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.179 which I can attest for because I didn't at one 00:39:06.179 --> 00:39:09.920 stage as well and so they can become factors 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.699 that can lead to disability benefits possibly 00:39:13.699 --> 00:39:17.059 and then seeking unemployment in the UK I'm not 00:39:17.059 --> 00:39:20.860 sure what that's like here um but but definitely 00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:23.460 that that is happening in the uk yeah Well, you 00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:26.139 were just mentioning, right, that we need to 00:39:26.139 --> 00:39:29.539 do more good science on women going through menopause, 00:39:29.619 --> 00:39:31.500 right? So I relate to this not as a woman going 00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:33.219 through menopause, but as a woman writing a book 00:39:33.219 --> 00:39:35.940 on prenatal and postpartum fitness. Amazing. 00:39:36.099 --> 00:39:38.559 There's a gap of research, not just for women, 00:39:38.619 --> 00:39:42.099 but for what you can even test on pregnant women, 00:39:42.219 --> 00:39:45.619 right? So there's IRB blockades from what we 00:39:45.619 --> 00:39:47.360 can find out about this population. So it's not 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.679 so much that this population is mysterious so 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.539 much as we sort of can't study them. in the traditional 00:39:53.539 --> 00:39:56.159 outlets that we need to to get the RCT level 00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:57.980 of research that we would need to make care decisions 00:39:57.980 --> 00:40:00.260 in a medical facility, right? So bringing that 00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:03.219 to menopause, what do you see as some of the 00:40:03.219 --> 00:40:06.079 biggest gaps in the research? So we just talked 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.760 about HRT, right? So that old ancient HRT causes 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.539 breast cancer that's been completely debunked 00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:15.039 here, there, and everywhere, but still persists. 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.619 Where are some of the other research gaps that 00:40:17.619 --> 00:40:20.400 need to be filled to help menopausal women make 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.789 their case? With hormone replacement therapy, 00:40:22.949 --> 00:40:25.969 there definitely needs to be way more research 00:40:25.969 --> 00:40:29.550 on that. There was like a SWAN study done and 00:40:29.550 --> 00:40:32.789 it was, you know, it was positive and it's longitudinal, 00:40:32.989 --> 00:40:35.130 which is great. We need more longitudinal data. 00:40:35.289 --> 00:40:39.190 We need more non -hormonal treatments involved. 00:40:39.489 --> 00:40:43.110 You know, like when a lot of women do go to the 00:40:43.110 --> 00:40:46.809 doctors, they unfortunately leave it too late 00:40:46.809 --> 00:40:49.599 and they go. when they are at their most vulnerable 00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.900 with a whole host of things. And doctors' initial 00:40:52.900 --> 00:40:56.139 thing is to put them on antidepressants. Actually... 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.800 The SSRI, the antidepressant, can be a non -hormonal 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:03.039 treatment for menopause and mood disorders as 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:06.480 well. I'm using that as well as hormone replacement 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.199 therapy. And I'm so grateful for it. There are 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.679 other non -hormonal treatments. There's a new 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.019 treatment now that's just been launched in Singapore 00:41:15.019 --> 00:41:18.139 called Vioza, which is amazing for vasomotor 00:41:18.139 --> 00:41:21.440 symptoms. The non -hormonal treatments as well 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.300 for women with oestrogen dominant cancers, for 00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:26.480 example, breast cancer. So this is going to be 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.159 groundbreaking for them. But even that more research 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.679 is needed in that field. For me personally, it's 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.820 the lifestyle as well. Like women need a DEXA 00:41:36.820 --> 00:41:39.619 scan at 40 years of age as a baseline. Girl preach. 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:41.840 Can you just really quickly for our listeners 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:43.199 that might not be familiar, what's a DEXA scan? 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:49.909 So a DEXA scan is like a full body. dual x -ray. 00:41:50.570 --> 00:41:52.670 Absorbiometry, which is the weirdest word of 00:41:52.670 --> 00:41:54.949 all time. So it's basically an x -ray that you 00:41:54.949 --> 00:41:57.469 can use for two things. You can use for body 00:41:57.469 --> 00:42:01.570 composition and for bone mineral density. And 00:42:01.570 --> 00:42:04.650 if you go for the bone mineral density scan and 00:42:04.650 --> 00:42:08.230 you get tested on your hip and your spine, you 00:42:08.230 --> 00:42:11.670 can detect if you have strong bones and where 00:42:11.670 --> 00:42:14.130 your bone, what strength they are. And if you 00:42:14.130 --> 00:42:16.750 are having the onset, so osteopenia and then 00:42:16.750 --> 00:42:20.500 possibly possibly osteoporosis. And, you know, 00:42:20.500 --> 00:42:23.159 currently I think, you know, from a national 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.739 health perspective, I think here as well in Asia, 00:42:26.900 --> 00:42:29.820 in Singapore, Hong Kong, in the UK, doctors are 00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:33.260 giving it at like 60. Yes. It's too late. We 00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:36.139 refer out for DEXs all the time, right? For women 00:42:36.139 --> 00:42:38.280 that, you know, women that are 36 going through 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.639 perineal pause or whatever. And so often, you 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.219 know, when, when my husband makes the referral, 00:42:43.300 --> 00:42:45.820 the lab is like, are you sure, you know, for 00:42:45.820 --> 00:42:48.940 this patient? Like, yes, we're sure. This patient 00:42:48.940 --> 00:42:51.440 needs a DEXA scan. I mean, we get questioned. 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.619 Anyone under, like you said, 65 really, if we're 00:42:53.619 --> 00:42:55.300 being honest, we get questions from the lab. 00:42:55.380 --> 00:42:57.739 So I'm really trying to push for that. You know, 00:42:57.739 --> 00:43:00.019 you've got to bank your bones. You know, when 00:43:00.019 --> 00:43:02.699 you're younger, don't go on fad diets. Make sure 00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:05.679 you always have your period. See, because this 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.380 is the thing. I think people don't consider how 00:43:08.380 --> 00:43:10.340 important bones are. But the reason they're so 00:43:10.340 --> 00:43:12.599 important is because if you have a fall when 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.190 you're in your 60s. there's a chance you might 00:43:16.190 --> 00:43:18.510 not survive it. If you have a fall when you're 00:43:18.510 --> 00:43:21.869 in your 80s, you're gone. There's overwhelming 00:43:21.869 --> 00:43:23.849 research to show that that is one of the number 00:43:23.849 --> 00:43:27.250 one pathways to a shortened lifespan. Well, I'm 00:43:27.250 --> 00:43:30.150 an 80s baby, so I grew up really through the 00:43:30.150 --> 00:43:36.079 90s with fast... low fat diets and you know all 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:41.519 of these and you know doing aerobics yeah you 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:46.099 know and it was absolutely toxic you know and 00:43:46.099 --> 00:43:48.840 that mentality and I'm very lucky that I played 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:54.179 netball so I was binding constantly every day 00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:57.320 you know no I obviously had a knee replacement 00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.460 my cruciate ligament snapped because of the binding 00:44:00.460 --> 00:44:03.820 and not enough strength training back in those 00:44:03.820 --> 00:44:06.019 days because we didn't do that back in those 00:44:06.019 --> 00:44:08.039 days you know Oh, because you didn't want to 00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:09.960 get bulky or anything, right? Oh my goodness, 00:44:10.179 --> 00:44:12.619 God forbid. You know, when I was diving, when 00:44:12.619 --> 00:44:15.780 I was 14, that was the first time that I had 00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:18.019 a strength and conditioning coach. Wow. But through 00:44:18.019 --> 00:44:20.380 my 12 years of gymnastics before that. And that's 00:44:20.380 --> 00:44:22.559 when you really needed it. I know, oh my gosh, 00:44:22.940 --> 00:44:24.559 yeah, yeah. So I mean, it's, yeah. So anyway, 00:44:24.659 --> 00:44:26.219 sports have come a long way. Sports have come 00:44:26.219 --> 00:44:29.019 a long way and just research has come a long 00:44:29.019 --> 00:44:32.139 way, you know, so. for anyone listening, you 00:44:32.139 --> 00:44:35.139 know, strong over skinny, you know, and it's 00:44:35.139 --> 00:44:38.440 so important that, and you will not bulk up really 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:42.440 quickly. It takes so much strength training and 00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.719 so much protein to be bulky. Maybe even extra 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.880 testosterone. Yeah, exactly. So don't fear it. 00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:51.260 And can I be honest, even if you accidentally 00:44:51.260 --> 00:44:53.780 stumbled into bulkiness, which again, show me 00:44:53.780 --> 00:44:55.480 how that works because I've been going for bulkiness 00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:57.949 for years. But even if you did. Yes. it would 00:44:57.949 --> 00:44:59.269 be the best thing that ever happened to your 00:44:59.269 --> 00:45:01.570 health. So you're welcome. Yeah, for metabolic 00:45:01.570 --> 00:45:05.449 health, for your brain health. If you accidentally 00:45:05.449 --> 00:45:08.849 got to 90th percentile ALMI, you're welcome. 00:45:08.989 --> 00:45:10.969 Oh my goodness. Because now you're unbreakable. 00:45:11.030 --> 00:45:13.309 I mean, it's like these are things not to be 00:45:13.309 --> 00:45:15.090 feared. But like you said, it's unlikely that 00:45:15.090 --> 00:45:17.610 it would even happen. Yeah. The way that... I 00:45:17.610 --> 00:45:19.389 think culturally women imagine it to happen. 00:45:19.630 --> 00:45:22.809 That's it. Having a DEXA scan as a woman's health 00:45:22.809 --> 00:45:25.730 check when you're 40 is so important because 00:45:25.730 --> 00:45:29.550 then you have a baseline and you know what you 00:45:29.550 --> 00:45:31.710 need to put in place for your bones as well. 00:45:31.750 --> 00:45:35.940 I would also recommend. Yes, you need protein 00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:37.920 and you need a little bit of extra protein moving 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:41.480 into midlife and beyond. But you also need possibly 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.199 a vitamin D supplement. Yes. You know, we do 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.820 live here in Singapore, Hong Kong, where we are 00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:51.400 so blessed with the sunshine that most countries 00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:56.119 aren't. But we cover up and we use sunscreen 00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:58.840 to protect ourselves from cancers, but also. 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.880 in Asian skin, there can be a pigment that doesn't 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.780 absorb vitamin D. And so... you know having that 00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:09.599 vitamin d3 supplement can be with some k2 with 00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:12.099 some k2 yeah yeah so for women's health moving 00:46:12.099 --> 00:46:14.440 forward and also vitamin d you know helps boost 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.500 your mood and your gut health as well your immune 00:46:17.500 --> 00:46:20.340 system so and you can't really overdo vitamin 00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:24.559 d but just even like 500 iui or a thousand iui 00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:26.980 should should international units should be okay 00:46:26.980 --> 00:46:30.000 yeah i think i'm taking 10 000 are you are you 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.239 on the pure encapsulation no i've got a liquid 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.849 form so i take um it's like i just you know drop 00:46:35.849 --> 00:46:40.750 two drops of two five thousands have a k2 with 00:46:40.750 --> 00:46:43.969 my collagen and a few few other bits yeah are 00:46:43.969 --> 00:46:46.429 there any other either supplements or lifestyle 00:46:46.429 --> 00:46:48.570 measures that you recommend kind of across the 00:46:48.570 --> 00:46:50.650 board for women that are preparing for their 00:46:50.650 --> 00:46:52.550 best menopause or going through menopause most 00:46:52.550 --> 00:46:54.929 women go through menopause naturally through 00:46:54.929 --> 00:46:58.530 you know early 40s you start your estrogen starts 00:46:58.530 --> 00:47:01.289 to drop so you will be going through some transition 00:47:01.289 --> 00:47:04.699 you may not feel anything until you're maybe 00:47:04.699 --> 00:47:07.199 in your mid to late 40s so the average age of 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.800 menopause is 45 to 55 you know but when you are 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.860 in your 40s you're you're more confident just 00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:16.380 in life right and you have the ability to put 00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:18.699 more boundaries in place in whatever form they 00:47:18.699 --> 00:47:22.579 may take you know that could be alcohol doesn't 00:47:22.579 --> 00:47:25.480 serve me anymore. Or, you know, I like this alcohol. 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.900 I don't want to drink that. And just choosing 00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:29.840 and having the confidence to... Not giving a 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.179 shit to say no, right? Well, not being a people 00:47:32.179 --> 00:47:34.760 pleaser as well, you know, like we may have been 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:36.800 in different times. And that can help reduce 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:41.300 stress. And stress, you know, and doctors always, 00:47:41.420 --> 00:47:43.860 you know, I hear this all the time, you know, 00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:46.400 women, when they do eventually go to ask for 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.599 help, doctors say it could be stress. And it 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.519 can be causing all this inflammation. So one 00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.079 of the biggest lifestyle things that I chat to 00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:58.960 with women is start reducing your stress. Put 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.300 those boundaries up. Recognize, particularly 00:48:01.300 --> 00:48:04.800 working in the workplace, is there any cyclical 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.190 times in the year that you know? they're going 00:48:08.190 --> 00:48:11.070 to be stressful periods that you can then put 00:48:11.070 --> 00:48:13.469 the management tools around that. Who do you 00:48:13.469 --> 00:48:16.889 talk to? Where are you getting your sleep? Are 00:48:16.889 --> 00:48:18.710 you getting enough sleep? You know, I work with 00:48:18.710 --> 00:48:20.449 a lot of global companies and they're on calls 00:48:20.449 --> 00:48:22.150 at night and, you know, and then they have to 00:48:22.150 --> 00:48:23.869 get up and do their job in the morning or they've 00:48:23.869 --> 00:48:26.309 got kids and, you know, and then they're going 00:48:26.309 --> 00:48:28.309 through this transition and they're just blindsided 00:48:28.309 --> 00:48:32.449 by life and being able to put your hand up and 00:48:32.449 --> 00:48:35.369 say, you know, this, I can't do this anymore. 00:48:35.630 --> 00:48:39.289 Or, you know, delegating some of the calls or 00:48:39.289 --> 00:48:41.389 is this necessary you know not having meetings 00:48:41.389 --> 00:48:44.110 for meetings as well so reducing stress in your 00:48:44.110 --> 00:48:47.389 life nutritionally sometimes magnesium can help 00:48:47.389 --> 00:48:50.690 a supplement can help reduce you know some of 00:48:50.690 --> 00:48:54.210 the stress ashwagandha ashwagandha yes maca powder 00:48:54.210 --> 00:48:57.590 can maybe give energy as well but these are all 00:48:57.590 --> 00:48:59.690 personal things you know if you're a food first 00:48:59.690 --> 00:49:03.420 kind of person if you have the the means if you 00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:07.559 have the desire to eat well you should be getting 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.980 a lot of this through your diet and some supplements 00:49:09.980 --> 00:49:12.679 may benefit that like omega -3 can help reduce 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:14.599 inflammation but also help with your brain health 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.519 and the vitamin d3 i would definitely recommend 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:21.519 sleep magnesium glycinate you know to to help 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.539 in whatever form that comes for me personally 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:28.280 my digestion really suffered um and also because 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.440 i had a lot of radiation around the pelvic area 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:33.639 and so i take magnesium citrate as well as a 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.179 really good and that so magnesium citrate is 00:49:36.179 --> 00:49:38.960 is like a little it's not a laxative but it can 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.559 help push things along we can push it along that's 00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:43.619 no that's an old bodybuilder trick yes there 00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:45.739 was this product back in the day when i was like 00:49:45.739 --> 00:49:47.980 kind of in that world and it's called mag 07 00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:52.139 And it was like 700 milligrams of magnesium citrate. 00:49:52.179 --> 00:49:54.239 And that would just blow you right up. So yeah, 00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:57.840 it is a mild to severe laxative effect. No, but 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.000 yeah, but it's again, great for healthy digestion 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.800 in proper doses. I am not recommending anyone 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.380 take the bodybuilder dose. So please leave that 00:50:05.380 --> 00:50:09.420 here. If you have got the means, do go to a registered 00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:12.159 nutritionist or dietician, you know, somebody 00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.380 who's qualified to work with women at this age 00:50:15.380 --> 00:50:19.070 and who understands. the symptoms that you're 00:50:19.070 --> 00:50:21.889 going through and can really help you target 00:50:21.889 --> 00:50:23.989 those areas, you know, and support you with that. 00:50:23.989 --> 00:50:25.929 And can put them all together. Put the pieces 00:50:25.929 --> 00:50:28.730 together. Because it's a multidisciplinary kind 00:50:28.730 --> 00:50:31.349 of holistic approach, you know. So mental health 00:50:31.349 --> 00:50:33.710 is definitely, be aware of your mental health. 00:50:33.789 --> 00:50:36.710 And if it's something that's negatively impacting 00:50:36.710 --> 00:50:38.949 your world, your day -to -day quality of life 00:50:38.949 --> 00:50:41.730 and your work, please seek help. There are resources. 00:50:42.090 --> 00:50:45.070 And most organizations do have mental health 00:50:45.070 --> 00:50:49.309 support. access it it's there for you go and 00:50:49.309 --> 00:50:52.309 use it and if you need extra on top of that then 00:50:52.309 --> 00:50:54.150 please go and see a doctor to get extra maybe 00:50:54.150 --> 00:50:56.070 medicinal support for that as well we're hearing 00:50:56.070 --> 00:50:58.550 more and more about creatine now sort of creating 00:50:58.550 --> 00:51:01.170 for brain health creating for muscle for endurance 00:51:01.170 --> 00:51:03.469 what are your thoughts on that for women during 00:51:03.469 --> 00:51:06.210 perimenopause or even those who have sort of 00:51:06.210 --> 00:51:08.329 passed menopause do you think they should be 00:51:08.329 --> 00:51:10.429 taking it as well yeah i would start with three 00:51:10.429 --> 00:51:13.429 um and just make sure you are well hydrated. 00:51:13.789 --> 00:51:16.849 And, you know, it seems scary. And a lot of women 00:51:16.849 --> 00:51:19.829 that I meet, you know, when I met two of them 00:51:19.829 --> 00:51:22.429 yesterday, I want to do it naturally. And it's, 00:51:22.469 --> 00:51:24.150 you know, creating. Did you explain how much 00:51:24.150 --> 00:51:27.690 meat that is? Like me and I'm, I'm a avid meat. 00:51:27.750 --> 00:51:29.989 I mean, we are sponsored by the meat club TFF 00:51:29.989 --> 00:51:32.429 12, but, and we eat a ton of it. Yes. Do you 00:51:32.429 --> 00:51:34.090 realize how much more it would take to get three 00:51:34.090 --> 00:51:37.750 to five grams? You know, five grams is two kgs 00:51:37.750 --> 00:51:41.170 of beef. So it's so much. And, you know, even 00:51:41.170 --> 00:51:43.800 just that, that, three grill arms at a maintenance 00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.019 level for women, you know, that could really 00:51:47.019 --> 00:51:49.900 impact your brain health and retain your muscle, 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.699 which can give you body confidence, which gives 00:51:52.699 --> 00:51:55.260 you just confidence, you know? So yes, I definitely 00:51:55.260 --> 00:51:57.980 recommend that. And particularly for those women 00:51:57.980 --> 00:52:01.079 who may be listening and they are aged, you know, 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.079 in their sixties, you know, eating a lot of protein, 00:52:04.260 --> 00:52:07.000 you know, you have to train your gut to take 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.699 on, you know, a lot, a lot of protein, even eating 00:52:10.699 --> 00:52:14.000 like say a chicken breast that maybe has 40 grams 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.719 or, you know, of protein in it. That's a lot 00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:19.199 in one sitting for women, particularly at an 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.639 older age when they're not used to possibly having 00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.920 done that historically. And so even a protein 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.099 supplement might be beneficial for those women 00:52:28.099 --> 00:52:33.199 also who want. and feel like intermittent fasting 00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:35.980 is benefiting them it's not a right or wrong 00:52:35.980 --> 00:52:39.260 it's a lifestyle it's but you you won't get enough 00:52:39.260 --> 00:52:41.539 protein in your day if you do it because you're 00:52:41.539 --> 00:52:43.679 only eating two meals you won't be getting enough 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:47.219 fiber so you need to make sure that you are increasing 00:52:47.219 --> 00:52:50.440 that in another way and a really good way of 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.340 doing that is having a protein powder in a shaker 00:52:53.340 --> 00:52:56.280 bottle that you can just have a drink you know 00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.800 as a snack mid -afternoon and then the fiber 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.789 you know maybe adding fiber to your shake, like 00:53:01.789 --> 00:53:04.250 some psyllium husk or whatever form you might 00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:07.150 take it. Because if you are doing intermittent 00:53:07.150 --> 00:53:09.230 fasting, you need to make sure that your gut 00:53:09.230 --> 00:53:11.389 health is good as well. Absolutely. And I love 00:53:11.389 --> 00:53:12.849 that you just brought up a protein shake, by 00:53:12.849 --> 00:53:14.769 the way. You know, after this creatine discussion, 00:53:15.110 --> 00:53:16.869 you know, I always think about, you know, the 00:53:16.869 --> 00:53:19.610 whole marketing scheme of shrink it and pink 00:53:19.610 --> 00:53:21.289 it. Right. If you want something to appeal to 00:53:21.289 --> 00:53:23.090 women, shrink it and pink it. And I'm literally 00:53:23.090 --> 00:53:24.710 asking for your brainstorm ideas here, Lisa. 00:53:24.929 --> 00:53:27.349 How can we get women to normalize just drinking 00:53:27.349 --> 00:53:30.829 protein shakes? I honestly think the visual of 00:53:30.829 --> 00:53:32.590 the shaker bottle, like what a shaker bottle 00:53:32.590 --> 00:53:33.869 looks like, you know what it looks like with 00:53:33.869 --> 00:53:36.650 a little ball inside. I feel like like when women 00:53:36.650 --> 00:53:38.769 see that they're like repulsed by it or it just 00:53:38.769 --> 00:53:41.989 it reeks masculinity. How are we rebranding protein 00:53:41.989 --> 00:53:43.670 shakes so that women are putting it on their 00:53:43.670 --> 00:53:45.289 desk and sipping it through the day like what 00:53:45.289 --> 00:53:47.599 you just said? give me give me your best idea 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.639 it's a tough one because i think it's just a 00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.300 key and it's education and knowledge like why 00:53:54.300 --> 00:53:57.420 is this going to benefit me but also it's Some 00:53:57.420 --> 00:54:00.519 protein checks cause diarrhea, you know, also 00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:02.559 fair point. You need to have the right protein 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:04.760 check. So it has to come from the right source. 00:54:04.900 --> 00:54:07.920 And then some women are vegetarian, vegan for 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.539 many different reasons. And and so, you know, 00:54:10.539 --> 00:54:12.679 you do you have a plant based protein there? 00:54:12.739 --> 00:54:15.639 And, you know, one good way of doing it is is 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:19.000 possibly, you know. putting that into pantries 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.900 in workplaces, you know, and having it be visible 00:54:21.900 --> 00:54:24.380 in the work snack cabinet and stuff like that. 00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:27.239 And people, you know, having that. And also protein 00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.500 shakes are associated with exercise. So women 00:54:30.500 --> 00:54:32.820 who don't necessarily go to the gym, they may 00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:35.639 do yoga. They may feel that they don't want to 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.059 take a protein shake. And you know what? I don't 00:54:38.059 --> 00:54:40.460 take a protein shake because I eat food. And 00:54:40.460 --> 00:54:43.539 that's my choice because I love food. So I get 00:54:43.539 --> 00:54:47.420 my protein through food. And that's, And I just 00:54:47.420 --> 00:54:49.639 don't find it palatable either. But if you're 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.739 not getting it through your food, you have to 00:54:52.739 --> 00:54:55.840 get it from another source. So this is another 00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:59.719 option. If you are getting enough protein at 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:02.420 each meal, you don't have to take a protein shake. 00:55:02.539 --> 00:55:05.500 It's a choice. So I'm not an advocate that every 00:55:05.500 --> 00:55:09.730 woman has to take it. But yes, if you are limited 00:55:09.730 --> 00:55:12.389 with money or you're limited with, you know, 00:55:12.389 --> 00:55:14.550 the means or you're traveling or protein shakes 00:55:14.550 --> 00:55:16.489 is a great alternative. Or do what Amanda does 00:55:16.489 --> 00:55:19.760 and pop it in your ninja. creamy and make a protein 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:23.239 ice cream delicious ice cream anything you can 00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:25.800 put it in your oats yeah yeah which i also actually 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:28.019 did this morning it's like i should openly the 00:55:28.019 --> 00:55:30.139 1001 ways to use your protein powder because 00:55:30.139 --> 00:55:32.159 i use it all the different ways my favorite is 00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.179 with cottage cheese um i know you don't like 00:55:34.179 --> 00:55:36.179 vanilla protein but vanilla protein in cottage 00:55:36.179 --> 00:55:38.940 cheese with some fruit and some sugar -free granola 00:55:38.940 --> 00:55:41.579 it is amazing it's like cheesecake for breakfast 00:55:41.579 --> 00:55:43.840 yeah actually that is with like it's like 50 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.219 50 grams of protein in like one meal it's amazing 00:55:46.219 --> 00:55:49.260 you must be so stuffed I was so stuffed. To be 00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:51.500 fair, when I have that in the morning, that's 00:55:51.500 --> 00:55:53.739 pretty much my lunch and my breakfast and my 00:55:53.739 --> 00:55:55.380 lunch. Yes. And then I'll just have a dinner. 00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.219 In which case, I mean, I can easily knock back, 00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.280 you know, a chicken breast. Actually, to be fair, 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.019 chicken thigh for me. So I get my protein in 00:56:05.019 --> 00:56:07.599 even if I am only having two meals. Yeah. Yeah. 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.380 That's good. That's good. Yeah. So I love, you 00:56:10.380 --> 00:56:12.079 know, I don't want to preempt your 40s formula 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:13.780 because that is always our last question for 00:56:13.780 --> 00:56:15.860 every guest. But I love that you gave us a little 00:56:15.860 --> 00:56:19.000 short one liner, which is bank. Link your bones 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.920 and build your boundaries. Because I think those 00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:23.639 two, you know, there's an instrumental element 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.460 of the one and there's a mindset element in the 00:56:25.460 --> 00:56:28.860 other, right? How, what is your, what is then 00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:31.059 your 40s formula? You know, so if you want to 00:56:31.059 --> 00:56:33.539 kind of leave women with the couple of lines 00:56:33.539 --> 00:56:36.639 from your expertise that they can deploy when 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:38.579 they need a little bit of bump in this decade, 00:56:38.739 --> 00:56:43.239 what is it? Own it. Be unapologetic. Why are 00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.480 we so afraid to... Say the word menopause. Yeah. 00:56:47.739 --> 00:56:51.559 You know, use the word. The more we use it, the 00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:57.119 more we normalize it. You know, we are giving 00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:01.179 you today important information. But you have 00:57:01.179 --> 00:57:03.800 a choice if you want to use that or not. And 00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.219 that's your choice. So you can use little bits 00:57:07.219 --> 00:57:09.679 of it. You can take the protein shake and not 00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.159 the creatine. You know, you will still be OK. 00:57:12.380 --> 00:57:15.360 Go and see the doctor if you need the help. Don't 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:18.340 wait until it's too late. Do the strength training. 00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:20.900 Do ensure that you bank your bones because we 00:57:20.900 --> 00:57:23.539 are living longer and we do want to make sure 00:57:23.539 --> 00:57:27.619 that we have that. quality of life that our mothers 00:57:27.619 --> 00:57:30.820 don't my mom has osteoporosis she's 68 you know 00:57:30.820 --> 00:57:34.659 like I want to be 85 and still trying to do a 00:57:34.659 --> 00:57:37.099 chin up even though I can't but I still want 00:57:37.099 --> 00:57:41.000 the ability to try it's never too late but it's 00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:43.760 never too late ever and that's it it's never 00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.860 too late if you are listening and you're over 00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:50.480 40 it's never too late if you're under 40 start 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:53.440 learning and putting things in place now yeah 00:57:53.900 --> 00:57:56.059 There you go, girl. Preach, you know, use your 00:57:56.059 --> 00:57:58.039 youth, but also it's never too late, right? It's 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.360 never too late to start. Your body is so incredible. 00:58:00.739 --> 00:58:04.539 I've had cancer twice. I'm 13 years in menopause. 00:58:04.539 --> 00:58:06.820 I've been through ups and downs and rounds and 00:58:06.820 --> 00:58:10.170 rounds. And honest to goodness. Your body is 00:58:10.170 --> 00:58:12.590 the most incredible, particularly women. Come 00:58:12.590 --> 00:58:15.869 on. Yes. Our bodies are superhuman. Superhuman. 00:58:15.869 --> 00:58:19.690 And if you treat it well, it will give you back. 00:58:19.889 --> 00:58:21.909 It's like a boomerang effect. If you look after 00:58:21.909 --> 00:58:23.809 it, it will look after you. All I want to say 00:58:23.809 --> 00:58:26.159 is. Hello, everybody. My name is Jasmine. I'm 00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:29.360 42 years old and I'm in perimenopause. Yeah. 00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.239 Hello, Jasmine. Oh, my girl. You're in the right 00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.900 circle for sure today. Well, Lisa, thank you 00:58:34.900 --> 00:58:37.199 so much for being here with us. We have so benefited 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:38.900 from your expertise and we really appreciate 00:58:38.900 --> 00:58:41.059 your views. Thank you, Amanda. Thanks, Jasmine. 00:58:41.099 --> 00:58:43.280 Thanks so much for having me. And yeah, I love 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.860 Singapore. I love your community. And I hope 00:58:45.860 --> 00:58:47.800 everybody can take away one or two things that 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.719 can really impact their life. Thank you. Thank 00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.099 you. One thing that comes up a lot with the women 00:58:52.099 --> 00:58:54.699 I work with, and for myself too, is insulin resistance. 00:58:55.059 --> 00:58:57.360 It becomes more common in our 40s and it can 00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.559 show up as energy crashes, stubborn weight gain, 00:58:59.699 --> 00:59:02.440 sugar cravings and just feeling off. Yeah, and 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.219 it's not just about what you eat. It's about 00:59:04.219 --> 00:59:07.480 how your body responds. Even women who eat well 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.960 can feel those dips in energy or mood after meals. 00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.139 Exactly. I tend to eat low carb most of the time 00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:14.989 to manage that. But I also think there's space 00:59:14.989 --> 00:59:17.349 for smart support when you do want to have carbs. 00:59:17.429 --> 00:59:19.909 That's why I rate Avea Life's metabolic control 00:59:19.909 --> 00:59:23.070 routine. 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Thank you for being part of 01:00:29.420 --> 01:00:31.300 this community. And we'll be back next week for 01:00:31.300 --> 01:00:33.079 more empowering conversations with inspiring 01:00:33.079 --> 01:01:18.159 guests. Bye. Check in these mics, check in these 01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:19.920 mics. I was telling Naz, I was like, we haven't 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:21.960 had Naz in the studio in a while. Yeah, actually, 01:01:22.059 --> 01:01:23.559 that's a good point. Yeah, the adventures of 01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:25.780 Naz and Shaz. Yeah. The adventures of Shaz for 01:01:25.780 --> 01:01:28.420 a while. I was listening to our episode today. 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.519 Honestly, like. Sarah's? Yes. Okay. So this is 01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:35.780 a crazy, crazy story. She had brain tumor. She 01:01:35.780 --> 01:01:38.340 had a spine tumor. She was a neuroscientist with 01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:42.300 a PhD in neuroscience. Then she. changed her 01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:44.360 career and became a fashion designer but if you 01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.199 listen to her story it's one of these ones where 01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:48.039 you know you're gonna laugh you're gonna cry 01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.380 you're gonna feel terrified it's just it's nuts 01:01:51.380 --> 01:01:54.099 it's nuts it's a crazy story but so entertaining 01:01:54.099 --> 01:01:57.320 and the first tumor she was 39 two small kids 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.059 And the second tumor, she was 44. So like, it's 01:02:00.059 --> 01:02:01.760 not like she's like, you know, 70. I mean, this 01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:03.940 is like happening to a young woman and it was 01:02:03.940 --> 01:02:06.139 crazy. And, and yeah, the fashion design thing, 01:02:06.179 --> 01:02:08.380 it's not even like she was a neuroscience turned 01:02:08.380 --> 01:02:11.280 fashion designer. Yes. Turned fashion designer. 01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.460 I mean, you know, won awards, you know, she was. 01:02:13.460 --> 01:02:15.940 Oh my gosh. Yeah. Like, I mean, she, she excels. 01:02:15.940 --> 01:02:17.880 She's clearly someone who excels. And then to 01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.639 get that tumor diagnosis twice. Unreal. Been 01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.539 there. Yeah. Wow. really that's why i started 01:02:25.539 --> 01:02:28.780 the company wow i've had cancer twice no way 01:02:28.780 --> 01:02:32.139 that's why i went into menopause wow so medical 01:02:32.139 --> 01:02:36.380 yeah i mean so i am i actually started getting 01:02:36.380 --> 01:02:38.519 into sort of perimenopause really early on like 01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:41.340 i had twins at 36 yeah that's when i started 01:02:41.340 --> 01:02:43.920 getting my symptoms and stuff i'm still going 01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:45.599 through it because i mean you know it takes a 01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:48.420 while but you know when you're going you're through 01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:51.210 it and things are off it's just It's off. But 01:02:51.210 --> 01:02:53.050 I guess for you, did you take hormones or you 01:02:53.050 --> 01:02:54.590 weren't? Oh, I'm still on hormones. Okay. So 01:02:54.590 --> 01:02:56.849 you were able to take hormones? Yes. Yeah. Okay. 01:02:56.909 --> 01:02:58.630 Cause you know, sometimes. Breast cancer. Yes. 01:02:58.929 --> 01:03:03.030 So was yours. Cervical. Oh, I see. Wow. Never 01:03:03.030 --> 01:03:05.809 had an abnormal smear. Wow. Had a three centimeter 01:03:05.809 --> 01:03:08.530 tumor. Wow. How did they find it? I was bleeding 01:03:08.530 --> 01:03:12.230 after sex. Yeah. A lot. So then my husband was 01:03:12.230 --> 01:03:14.650 like, let's go. Yeah. Yeah. This can't be right. 01:03:14.750 --> 01:03:17.070 Yeah. Yeah. Live in the dream and room. And I 01:03:17.070 --> 01:03:20.070 got diagnosed with can't grow. sounds nicer it 01:03:20.070 --> 01:03:22.989 actually does it sounds like a beautiful journey 01:03:22.989 --> 01:03:25.329 yeah oh wow