Would you say you're a psychic? It's intuitive.
We work from the interface between the left logical
side of the brain and the right intuitive side
of the brain. And that's what we call structured
intuition. So we're not thinking during a session,
but we're also not just wildly going with our
intuition. You know, it's very structured and
it's amazing. Hey, and welcome to the 40s Formula,
your go -to place for insightful discussions
on navigating the 40s and thriving in this transformative
decade. We're your hosts, Jasmine and Amanda,
two women that are passionate about exploring
the challenges and adventures that come with
turning 40 and what lies ahead. Rika Hartwell
is a certified body talk practitioner with a
deep passion for holistic healing and mind -body
wellness. Her journey with Body Talk began in
2018 when she sought alternative healing for
severe chronic pain in her pelvis. Doctors recommended
urgent surgeries to remove her ovaries and fallopian
tubes, but after receiving Body Talk sessions,
her condition improved so significantly that
the surgery was no longer needed. This profound
healing experience sparked her fascination with
Body Talk's innate ability to heal and led her
down the Body Talk system in depth. In 2018 she
has taken numerous advanced courses within the
body talk system and has trained leading instructors.
In 2023 she became a certified body talk practitioner
and now offers sessions to help others restore
balance and well -being. She currently practices
at a wellness clinic in River Valley, Singapore.
Sufin Pasifarang is a Singaporean -born body
talk and mindscape instructor, practitioner,
and former corporate executive with Marsh and
McLennan and the AIG Group. After nearly a decade
in the corporate sector, Sufin chose to become
a full -time mother. In 2010, Sufin was diagnosed
with Graves' disease and autoimmune hypothyroidism.
This condition is a result of chronic stress
and profound grief of losing her two -year -old
child. Opting against lifelong medication, she
pursued natural healing methods and was introduced
to body talk. Experiencing significant improvements
after just one session, Sufen achieved complete
recovery within nine months without drugs, a
recovery that astonished medical professionals.
Curious about BodyTalk, she embarked in the BodyTalk
system and advanced her studies across Singapore,
Australia, Europe, and America. She trained directly
under the founder, Dr. John Beltham, and now
runs the BodyTalk Center in Singapore, where
she offers clients sessions and also teaches
BodyTalk and Mindscape courses. Over the past
15 years, she has facilitated over 10 ,000 sessions.
Healing for Sufan is more than just recovery.
It is about the wisdom within everybody. Sickness,
pain and suffering are not setbacks. They are
the steps into the future of where the body is
preparing to go. The alignment into a fulfilling
life. Body talk. Now don't worry if you haven't
heard of it. because I hadn't until a few months
ago. So we have got Sufin and Reiki here to tell
us all about it. So guys, can you tell us what
is Body Talk? Yes. Hi. And thank you for having
us. I think the best way to describe it is it's
healthcare designed by your body. And that's
what makes it so unique because if you look at
healthcare these days, Every single time you're
looking at symptoms or you're being pigeonholed
by a diagnosis, you know? And so in body talk,
we look at the whole body and we look at the
whole picture. So what you've mentioned is health
care designed by your body and your body is very
unique and every body has a uniqueness based
on your life experience. And body talk, it's
a health care system that's looking at your life.
It's not really looking at the illness or the
disease because all that comes from the mind.
And the mind comes from the reflection of how
we look at life. And therefore in every body
talk system, a story comes up. And therefore
the story is unique to everybody. And when we
dive very deeply into a person's body, their
mind, their life, that's where the body opens
up to looking at how it can find a strategy to
improve life, improve health, and everything
functions together as a whole. coming at body
talk as a brand newbie, right? How does it differ
from the lifestyle medicine approach, right?
Where we're looking at the six pillars of lifestyle,
sleep, exercise, nutrition, avoidance of risky
substances. How does body talk fit into that
narrative or differ? So when we look at the five
pillars, we look at what's important to the body,
sleep, diet, exercise, lifestyle. And then when
we look at five pillars, we can also look at
it as physical, mental, emotional, spiritual
in every aspect of health it comes from somewhere
and that some place comes from if you're not
having enough sleep if the diet has been abused
we're not moving not exercising and not moving
the physical body for it to get the nourishment
the flow the energy there is very little that
the physical body can can do to combat life because
we are still flesh and bones. We walk. We have
to sit here in the podcast. We have to communicate.
We have to do many things with different people.
The space between us is very important and that
requires energy. So we cannot exclude anything
from the physical unless you're saying that you're
God, you're deity, you're a spirit. The physical
body is very important to look at. This is something
that's not Considered the norm you have people
who probably never heard of it before or if they
have heard about it They don't actually know
what it is. So how did you both? get into body
talk. Like, how is, how did this become a thing
for you guys? Yeah, Rika has a very interesting
story to share. You're part of my story. My husband
always tells me I overshare when it comes to
this story, but I just want you to overshare.
I'm going to go for it. So in 2018, I moved to
Singapore and I had been experiencing about probably
like 10 months of really severe chronic pain
in my pelvis, right? And I had just been to so
many doctors. I've been to so many gynecologists.
I've been to A &E a couple of times. You know,
nobody could tell me what it was. So one day
I met my beautiful neighbor in the stairway and
she was just like, God, you look like death.
And she was just like, really? And she was just
like, listen, I know you're Absolutely desperate.
And I have no idea what I'm recommending here,
but I went to this talk yesterday and there was
this lady and I have no idea what she does, but
it just sounded fascinating. So give it a go.
So I booked my appointment and I went to see
Sufan, not knowing what to expect. Absolutely
no idea, but I was desperate. I lay down and
Sufan proceeded to tell me that I had a massive
infection in my right ovary. and told me all
of the emotional things that had led to this
event. And I was just like, like, I thought you'd
Google me or look me up on Facebook. I was like,
how can she possibly know all of these details?
But I was like, OK. So she said, listen, you
need to go back to a gynaecologist and you need
to tell them to examine your right ovary. You're
going to need surgery for this. So I was like,
OK. So off I went and you know she did her bit
which cleared the emotions that caused the event
but I still it needed to be cleared up. So off
I went and I went back to the gynaecologist and
sure enough all of a sudden it showed up on the
scan big time. He did not say it was an infection
he said it was a tumor we were dealing with and
that we needed to have surgery urgently. So I
was like grand scheduled the surgery for in a
few days time and went in. Had the surgery. As
soon as I woke up, the surgeon was like, it was
not actually a tumour. It was a seven centimetre
abscess and it's an absolute mess inside there.
And you were 31 and I hadn't given him permission
to remove any of my reproductive organs, but
He was like, it is a total mess in there and
everything needs to be removed. He said, I'm
going to give you three weeks to heal from this
surgery and we're going to schedule a full removal.
And so obviously it's just, you know, your world
is spinning and, you know, I just didn't even
comprehend what was happening. But, you know,
about a week before. my surgery, five days before
my surgery, I thought, I'm going to go back to
that lady. You know, whatever happened was she
knew something that he didn't even know. So I
went back to Sue Finn and I told her the story.
And I still remember you saying you were just
like, he is not removing any of your organs.
And I was like, okay. So she did her session
and she actually gave me, you know, some tapping
to do at home and I said to her, well, what am
I going to do when it comes to my pre -op scan?
And she said, don't worry, that scan is going
to speak for itself. And I was like, like, really?
You know, and so I brought my husband with me
on the day because I thought I need backup. I
don't want the surgery and I just need someone
to stand up for me and say, I'm not having it.
But so I went for the scan and honestly, the
gynecologist was flabbergast. He performed the
scan and he actually did not have words. All
he said was, it seems that your body has taken
care of this itself. And he couldn't explain
it. And he said, I'm happy to let you come back
in a week's time and we'll scan you again. And
he did. And then I went back again two weeks
after that and then a month after that. And I've
never had to have the surgery. Wow. So then I
had to go and study body talk. I can understand.
Yeah. Would you say you're a psychic? Is there
some kind of psychic? It's intuitive, intuitive.
So, you know, in body talk, we use this thing.
It's called structured intuition. Right. And
so in comparison to other modalities where they
will heal you and they will use their intuition
to heal the body. And it's in body talk, we use
this thing called structured intuition, where
we use this the left logical brain to learn this
protocol chart that we have. OK, so it's this
map. of the entire body -mind complex. It has
every single detail that you will find in your
entire body -mind there. And we learn that so
we know it in our sleep. It is in there without
any shadow of doubt. And then we've got our right
side, our intuitive side of our brain, okay?
And so we engage that intuitive, that intuition.
to guide us through that protocol chart and how
we do it as practitioners, we're trained to work
from our alpha state of mind during a session.
And the alpha state of mind is the same state
of mind that you enter during meditation. So
as we do that, we work. from the interface between
the left logical side of the brain and the right
intuitive side of the brain. And that's what
we call structured intuition. So we're not thinking
during a session, but we're also not just wildly
going with our intuition. You know, it's very
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and I remember one of the sessions you said to
me, I'm getting anemia. And at the time I was
going through something and I felt like shit
and I... I did have a doctor's appointment booked,
I think, for the next couple of days. Lo and
behold, I went and Dr. Lim said to me, you need
an iron infusion. And I was like, what the hell?
Like, how did she know? And it's weird. And then
my husband was like, did she Google you? Did
she? I never mentioned, there's nothing. You
can Google me. There's nothing that says that
I've... I had to say, yeah. How does that even
work? And so, Sifan, what about your story? How
did, I mean, you started decades ago and I hadn't
even, like I said, since I only found out about
this a few months ago when I... And I only found
about it when you told me. Exactly. So how did
this come about for you decades ago? How I found
what you talk was through a very sudden autoimmune
condition. I was struck with autoimmune disease
called GRIMS, hyperthyroidism. you know, overactive
thyroid. And at that point of time, my heart
was racing at 100 beats per minute at rest when
I'm sleeping. And when I would walk, talk, or
get angry, it goes up to 180 degrees. I was literally
hyperventilating all the time. And doctors, in
short, wanted to remove the thyroid because my
heart would not be able to take it. for very
long. The whole complex of how medicine works
and the symptoms, it did not convince me it was
the right course of action. So intuitively, it
felt like no. And I was quite fortunate because
my friend said to me, Stephen, you should go
and try this thing called Boy Talk. And in desperation,
when there's nothing else in this world that
can actually give answers, the openness to try
everything is there. And I tried it. And after
the first session, my thyroid took a change.
And within the first session and two weeks after
the first session, I saw the doctor. And when
he examined me, he said the blood flow, the thyroid
has reduced. And he said that it means that there's
some improvement. But because the blood test
was still pretty much quite high. He still insisted
on surgery and medication. And I said to him,
give me a bit of time to think about it. And
within six months, all the symptoms disappeared
without drugs. Just with two sessions of boy
talk a month and a total of nine months, all
the autoimmune markers turned off. That's incredible.
It's like zero, not even 0 .002. It's a zero.
And Just like Rika, everyone learns boy talk
because there's something miraculous, magical
that happens to your own body that you cannot
explain, but yet you feel so, so different with
it. And you just have to look for it because
something has opened up in the whole unexplained.
Something has opened up. you know, in a way you
cannot explain. So you would definitely go look
for the explanation because the logical mind
cannot rest without understanding it. So like
everyone, I took the class, I took everything
and I had no intention of teaching. I just took
it for my own interest. But you know, one thing
led to the other. You cannot learn this without
practicing it. Because if To understand ourselves,
we have to first understand how the system works.
And we learn it through the lens of another person,
the body of somebody else. And bit by bit as
we explore and we observe, we find a different
dimension of life that we can never reverse back
from it. You talked about structured intuition.
And obviously the two of you sitting before us
are female. And we always hear about women's
intuition. Are there male practitioners of body
talk? Absolutely. And how do you think that there's
a way to teach intuition? So you mentioned there's
a class, you mentioned there's a protocol. Can
you enlighten us into how structured intuition
is made into a curriculum? So structure intuition
means when we look at the left logical mind or
left logical brain, whatever you have learned
in your life, whether your bachelor's degree
all the way to your PhD, or the insurance and
certificates that you have learned, life lessons
that your parents have taught you, that is inventory
in your left brain. We use it all the time. And
that keeps us safe. It is a parameter of safety,
the boundaries. The right brain is creative,
imaginative, is intuitive. That's the brain that
was first developed when we were babies. Because
when you're a baby, you can't see. You can only
see up to a certain distance. The eyes don't
see. And therefore, they can see through the
clairvoyant sense of visualization, smell, touch,
taste. And all those intuitive senses from age
0 to 2 years old are the highest. We are born
with it. When a baby is born, we always say that
the ability to sense where mother is. I'm hungry.
How do I call for help? I have a dirty diaper.
What do I do? So there is a lot of instincts
that is in there from the beginning of our lives.
But after 2 years old, we start to learn math.
alphabets, reading numbers, and we develop the
left brain. So the right brain has always been
there. The left brain then started to come up
and we are very much taught in school how to
develop the right, sorry, we've always been taught
in school to develop the left brain. So when
you talk about men and women, the only difference
between why there are more women that... take
boy -talk classes and lessons is because women
are more open to things that are a little bit
different. Men, they are very logical because
that's the way they are. They're very structured.
They are, you know, structured, strong, and they
need a very logical process in order to make
money and provide. But it does not mean that
men cannot do this. It just means that they need
to take a little bit more time. In my last Mindscape
class, my Intuition class, I have 60 % women,
40 % men. There are classes whereby I have more
men than women. And only my private Mindscape
classes are only men. How interesting. So it's
not to say what it is. I think in this day and
age, the senior leaders, the senior executives,
they are actually now told There's some part
that's not physical that has to be looked at.
So what I understand from body talk is the body
is meant to heal itself. But then obviously sometimes
disease can manifest or an illness can manifest.
Why does this happen? Why is the body then not
able to heal from it? We all know the body is
instinctively designed to heal. And it's always
trying to get back to that state of balance and
that perfect state of healing. But for that body
to self heal, it needs to have constant communication,
right? All the cells in the body need to communicate
with every other cell, right? When life happens,
stress happens, you know, and like stress can
be anything. It can be like, it can be physical
stress. It can be an injury. It can be emotional.
It can be chemical. It can be an infection, right?
When that happens, it disrupts that flow of energy
and that communication. let's say the nervous
system was like this giant highway right and
we have constant messages running up and down
they're traveling up and down between the body
and the brain all of the time but then say stress
happens it's like there's a traffic jam or there's
roadworks and it slows down that communication
and and so therefore you know things aren't functioning
exactly as they should and then you know over
time it causes tension in the body, it's building
up, right? It's not healing as it should, so
it's building up. It can cause tension, pain,
you know, sleep disturbances, anything, really
digestive issues, even like it affects your immune
system. So it disrupts that communication. And
then even trauma is even worse. You know, trauma
is like. It totally disrupts. It's like a sinkhole
in the highway, you know, and it's completely
impassable and a traumatic event. It's taken
by the body and it is stashed away. It cannot
deal with this right now. I need to function.
I need to continue to perform and it stashes
it away. But those events still continue to affect
our health. for years after the event has passed
and in ways that we don't even realize. We do
not make the connection because it is hidden
away. And, you know, so that's where body talk
comes in and it shines a light on these things
because these things need to be addressed. You
know, and that's what symptoms are telling us
is the body screaming, saying there's something
that needs to be addressed. Put their hand up.
I need I need to. Deal with this. Exactly. You
know, it's time to look at this now, you know?
So that's how Body Talk helps to shine a light
on these things again. And then when we bring
it to the awareness again, we can. It's like
the missing piece of the puzzle. We can help
that energy to flow again, because we've got
all the details that we need. So it's not that
you're not supposed to get sick and you're not
supposed to have these issues. It's more so that,
yes, you may get sick, but you should be able
to heal from it. So that's. And it's the disruption
to that communication, which is not helping you
get better. OK, that makes sense, because I guess,
you know, a lot of people might think, oh, you
know, should I be 100 percent healthy all the
time and nothing's not possible? Exactly. Yeah,
it is what we call we call this a belief system
that health comes from having no illness. Yeah.
But in order for life to change, like if you
are in the road of always working and very stressed
and we neglect a few things in life that's important.
Life will throw us illnesses because that's the
only thing that makes us pay attention to ourselves.
Yeah, that's like a slow down, needs to take
it easy now. There's always a message in it,
always. And it's really weird because I actually
was having a conversation with a client the other
day and she told me how she's had a crazy first...
part of the year that's obviously what six weeks
or whatever it is and then she goes out on top
of that now i'm sick and my response was i'm
guessing you're sick because yeah you need to
slow down so how does body talk differ from like
holistic healing or or reiki or energy healing
sound baths all of those types of modalities
is there a difference I mean, there's many differences
probably. I think it's in the details. I don't
know what you think, you know. They are all good.
They're all good. They have their departments.
The difference with Boy Top because our slogan
is whole health care means it encompasses anything
and everything. It's so difficult to explain
how much we can cover. It's easier to tell you
what we don't cover in Boy Top. So we cover everything
except If a person is born with a genetic illness,
Boitok cannot create that one more chromosome.
And Boitok cannot change agenda because whatever
makeup we are born with that is what we are meant
to live our life with. We are however able to
deal with all the symptoms that comes out from
those conditions. So we can deal with everything
as long as it's not part of that genetic makeup.
So, when we look at any kind of health issue,
okay, we are literally a health care system because
if you come for a boy talk session, the intake
form literally asks you for all your health details.
What are your last blood tests, scans, any illnesses
in the last few months? I'm not asking you for
your mental and emotional state of mind. I'm
also not looking at what has happened in your
life, your family or whatever. You go straight
medically to your health condition, nothing else.
You talked about symptoms and a significant time
that some women experience symptoms would be
during perimenopause. It could be anything from
hot flashes, to rage, to joint pains. Can body
talk help women? Because from obviously the way
we see it, it's a transitional period that every
woman will go through in some stage of her life.
And so it seems like it's very normal. But obviously
the level of symptoms can change based on the
individual person. How can body talk be utilized
there? Can it be utilized there? You know, the
way I see it is women these days, we have severe,
we have much worse symptoms of perimenopause
than we did in generations before. Right. And
there's all this mystery like why I personally
think that we live in. Such a toxic age, like
let's call it that, you know, and I'm not just
talking chemicals or whatever, it's also stress,
you know, it's just, I feel like when we as a
generation come into our forties, our buckets
are full, right? We're coming in with a full
load. And so then when the inevitable is going
to happen, we're going to be on this roller coaster
of hormones and it's going to throw us because
we're, we're maxed already, you know? And so
For me, one of the massive ways and in which
we have loads of people that come to us with
perimenopause symptoms. We help in the way that
we have to clean out the system, you know, so
we're like that bucket that's full. We're helping
to remove some of those, whether it's toxins
and, you know, whether it's from the diet or
it's stress, whatever it is, we're helping to
reduce that load so that when inevitably, you
go through that roller coaster, you are able
to adapt to that and you're able to deal with
it much better. Yeah, it's absolutely right and
true. So I'm going to put in a little bit more
medical perspective. Think about your mom, your
grandparents, all the women in the ancestral
line. You never heard of this thing called the
severe perimenopausal symptoms and all that.
Because when we look at men and women in times
before, Men go out to work, women stay home and
look after family. They only have one task to
do. And that is a very big task. I cannot say
it's only one task to do, sorry. So talking about
when you said men and are they open to intuition
and everything, what people don't realize is
this. The masculine is spiritual. The feminine
is earthly. And what happens is, Working, we're
looking after our children, we have families,
we do much more than just being at home and taking
care of our families. The physical body for women
is not meant to go out because the structure
of how God created men and women are women supposed
to be at home. But if you now place women who
are highly capable in being able to go on into
the workforce, they take very high -level executive
roles. In life, they are under C -level. What
happens in the body is there's a part of the
body that needs to create a lot of testosterone
and that's the adrenal. So adrenals are a very
important part of the human body because they
have to secrete adrenaline and cortisol, but
they also increase the body's testosterone. So
when women do a lot of exercise they get testosterone
and that gives them the energy to go out and
fight. out there in the world. So when women
go through the periods of perimenopause, I'll
tell you what happens. The ovary slowly declines.
Like every part of the body, it slowly declines.
What happens is the adrenals are supposed to
take over that function to increase the female
hormones that the ovaries are now depleting.
But if they are so busy going out to fight the
world, we don't have that balance. So it's very
easy to actually treat perimenopause in voyeur
talk because we are not looking at only the physical,
we're looking at the way the mind goes out to
look into what a person's stress factors are
out there. If we can mitigate the stress factors
in the environment, the mind naturally slows
down. It calms down that stress. The physical
body then does not feel it has to fight so hard.
The adrenals balances. And when the adrenals
balances, all the symptoms will balance. Do you
see a trend in the types of symptoms that women
in their forties might experience? Is there like
a... a few things that you see again and again,
or does it really depend on the individual? 100%.
There is a trend, I would say. Absolutely. Yeah.
Lots of sleep disturbances, anxieties, irritability,
just fatigue, or even like loss of libido, you
know, and not just sexually for life, like to
just feel like they're just don't have the juice,
you know, that they need to face. Life at the
moment, yeah, for sure. And those are identical
to perimenopause symptoms, right? So it's like,
you know, these presenting symptoms are absolutely
the same. A hundred percent. Everyone actually
don't realize that there are perimenopause in
nature. So sleeplessness, anxiety, the common
one is joint pain. So they can feel the physical
therapist and it's not working. I soon remember
with a frozen shoulder. They've been diagnosed
with frozen shoulder, but it's not frozen. It's
the libido has frozen for a while. That's what
it is. And at the end of the day, when we look
at libido, that is the pulse of life. It's the
ability to enjoy life and go out there and embrace
life. And the frozen shoulder and joint pains
are literally the symptoms of perimenopause because
we are pausing something. in life that we actually,
it's not a pause, it is a new beginning, it's
a transition. But we look at it as always the
end of goodbye, but it's actually the beginning
of the age of wisdom. I love that. The age of
wisdom. We need to put that on a bumper sticker.
I have a question again, not having gone through
body talk. So unlike Jasmine, I actually have
not gone through a body talk session. Is there
an element of prescription that happens after
that? So do you go through the session and then
you say, now until our next session, work on
XYZ? Or is it more like you go through the session,
something is cleared or something is attended
to. And then that allows the person to then,
you know, perhaps like, you know, the way that
I'm thinking about this, right, is someone comes
to see me at the metabolic health clinic. I say,
OK, I'm going to prescribe for you this exercise
program, this nutrition program, this level of
sleep, this level of hydration. Right. So they
leave with this little lifestyle prescription.
How do you leave your clients after the session?
Do you give them homework? I don't. But you could.
You know, my whole time, I've never ever, you
know, given tapping, but you did that time when
you had to work a miracle with me. You gave me
tapping. But that was a very, very unique case.
When the case is very mental and emotional, there
is no homework to be given because it's not a
physical body issue. The mind shifts and everything.
just like that. It shifts very fast. Boy Talk
is a very quick system. If you're looking for
a hard -working solution to solve your problem,
don't come from Boy Talk. Boy Talk is very fast.
However, if it is a physical issue that requires
a little bit time for the physical body to change
because the physical body is very stubborn, there
are many different scenarios that can happen.
And it's very unique to each and every person.
So if a person has an infection, I would usually
say, The body is going to rev up in terms of
the immunity. What can help it is water and sleep
and sunshine. So those are the simple prescriptions
I give. When I told Rika to do tapping, it's
because when you tap, you are synchronizing the
brain to look at a certain area of the body and
treat it. That means you keep reminding the body,
you have to look at this, you have to look at
this, you have to look at this, you don't forget
about this. fix it right now and don't forget
about it. So when we say what kind of prescriptions,
we have very little, very little prescriptions
or homework, because the body is so intelligent,
there's very little we need to do. Unless the
client is very stubborn and doesn't want to do
anything to change their life, I would induce
a prescription or a homework to do. For example,
when people come from Bony Talk and there is
a physical health issue, that comes from lifestyle
diet. I cannot say let's tap and then you continue
your diet and sedative lifestyle and you hope
the body will lose weight. It doesn't happen
that way. But with weight loss, for example,
what body talk can do is it can balance the chemicals
in the body to help present to you. not crave
the sugar and the carbohydrates and allow the
stomach to signal to the brain, that's enough,
you can stop now. And so the diet in terms of
calories naturally shrink. However, in cases
like weight loss, I usually tell the client to
drink more water, to focus on what they're eating
and think what they're eating. It's just intuitively
right for them. So those are the little bit of
homework that I would give them. But it's normally
not anything major. I don't prescribe medicine.
I don't prescribe a lifestyle. I try not to change
the diet and lifestyle as much as possible because
that's not my department. Oh, I'm so hungry.
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but only until May 4th. You mentioned tapping.
What is tapping? How does it work? And can we
do it on ourselves? Is it for everyone? You must
do it on yourself, right? I'm actually not sure.
Can someone else tap you? In an in -person session,
we do tapping. But when we do a remote session,
we don't do tapping. If you do it yourself, then
why couldn't you do it in a remote session? So
in a remote session, the client has to do their
own tapping or the practitioner can do tapping
on practitioner's body, but focus on the client.
We can do it. But tapping is once you understand
what's tapping, you also understand how the boy
can can rewire. The tapping is optional. Tapping
is important because tapping helps us to focus
on what we're looking at. So if I'm looking at
the right ovary, I'm going to tap and tap and
tap on the ovary. And that allows the body and
mind to connect. It's a connection. It's a way
to connect what we're trying to do in the observation.
But there are so many more things that goes on
before the tapping. Tapping is the last part
of it. And when we say, I prescribe tapping for
my client to do, it's only so that they can remember
what was done during the session so that they
continuously remind the body, this is what I'm
healing. We don't give drugs. We don't give you
any tools to bring home. It is so intangible.
You can go home and you can forget what happened
in the session. But tapping is a very subtle
way of helping you to remember, okay, I'm fixing
this part of the body. It's going to get better.
this is going to happen to me after that. So
that's tapping. For viewers sake, I think, you
know, you need to explain to them what you do
in tapping. OK, so when we tap, it's at the end
of a session. During the session, as I explained,
we will use structured intuition and that structured
intuition will give us a story. You know, it'll
give us some items and details. And we call this
a body talk formula. So once we have discovered
or unearthed, you know, this this story, this
formula to make energy flow again, what we do
is then we hold focus, right? As practitioners,
we really hold focus on everything that we've
just found and we tap the head. And so that's
our obviously our head brain, our brain. We tap
on the head. And what we're saying to the head
is conscious awareness, pay attention. pay attention
to what we have just unearthed from the subconscious
here. So we're saying head, brain, pay attention.
We tap on the heart and the heart is going to
store those changes. So you don't walk away after
that session and everything goes back to how
it was. The heart is responsible for storing
all of those changes that we've just implemented.
And the gut brain, which is so important, goes
off and implements everything. It actually is
the doer. It's saying go now and do everything
that we've just laid out in front of you. So
the three brains are tapped because they all
have their own function. And again, as Sufan
said, when she told me to tap after my session,
that was reminding my body everything that we
did in that session. We're reminding heal. You
need to heal. You've got one purpose at the moment.
So it's almost like the function of Shavasana
in a yoga practice in a way. It's like that's
the moment of absorption of the practice. And
if you, you know, if you need to kind of let
all the lessons of the practice sink into your
body, that's the time at which that occurs. That's
it. That's the only thing I remember. Do you
find that people have worse symptoms? the stronger
the trauma or the emotional response or the emotional
struggle that they've had. We as human beings,
right, we all have an amazing threshold, actually,
you know, to deal with things and our body, as
I said, it'll always try and calibrate and come
back to balance. We encounter things and it's
always going to do its best to come back to the
state of balance and the state of healing and
calm. So we can encounter so many things. And
then there's a threshold, you know, and then
it seems like this incident is what caused the
symptoms or the illness to occur. But actually,
it's a backlog of issues. So a lot of the time,
yes, you know, when people have this severe situation
that they come with. and you dig deeper, it turns
out that it is a catalogue of things, you know,
that have a long list of things that have happened
throughout their life that have led to them not
being able to deal with it anymore. So in some
sense, yes, but you know, it's always small events
add up. The physical body and the symptoms are
a reflection of the mind. A person with a very
simple thought process will usually have very
simple symptoms. The person that has very complexities
and a person with complexities in the way they
think naturally exhibit very complex health issues.
So we look at the brain like a computer CPU.
If the computer is VGA mode, a very ancient type
of computer system, very simple, they have simple
issues because that's the way the brain is able
to regulate. And the universe never going to
give them much more than what they can handle.
However, in a more sophisticated brain, when
the person's thinking in very wide multitudes
of processes, the illness that comes into the
body is very, very complex. But when you say
which kind of body can heal faster, it's not
about how complex the illness is, but how open
the mind can be to change. And a person with
very complex health issues, if they are able
to turn on the mind to looking at things in a
flexible and adaptable way, looking at it in
a very creative and imaginative way, the body
fixes itself very quick. So I usually look at
a few things in health. How's the mind processing
the environment? How intelligent are they? When
I say intelligence, I'm not talking about IQ.
I don't judge a person by that kind of thing.
I judge based on how intelligent are you to see
a different side of life, a different facet,
and the ability to see that different facet.
The very complex cases of health can shift very,
very quickly because the mind is able to unwire
the entanglement that has become so stuck based
on that complexities of thinking that they can
also uncomplex themselves. So I'm not interested
in how bad the illness is. I'm looking at the
way the mind can function to undo everything
that has happened. So have there been any, any
situations or any cases where it's even got you
questioning like, is this real? Yeah, every day,
even until today, because I mean, doing this
for over 15 years now. So Mary, because normally
when I go for a session, I finish the session,
I don't think about it. You always say that.
I don't, because if I were to meet my client
and sometimes we run into each other in the dinner
party and they will say to me, oh, Sufan, you
know that day you did that and that and that.
I was like, what did I do? I don't remember it,
because it's very awkward if I remember all the
emotional stuff and the stories. So I don't remember.
So now asking me to pick that brain I have to
go back into. into the whole category of. Even
my story, she was like, wow, that's fascinating.
I really don't remember. I think that's a good,
good way to be because like when you're going
through it, I take it, you know, a lot of the
stuff that's stored within is their emotional
stress, their traumas and. And I guess it's something
then that you don't want to have to take on yourself.
So I guess I think Tyler, my husband, you know,
having worked in the emergency department for
so long, he's kind of a master of doing this.
Right. So it's like, you know, exactly like what
you said, it's like he might have attended to
a code blue on somebody and then meet them at
a dinner party. And they're like, Hey, doctor,
you saved my life. And he's like, Great! Glad
you are here today. You know, I think it's one
of those things where it's like he solved the
situation or he addressed the situation and then
he kind of had to let that person go on living
with their life. You know, it's like he accomplished
that job for them. You can't take all of that
on. Exactly. You cannot take all of that on.
So yeah, I think it's kind of a similar response.
I have seen a lot of cases whereby women go into
extreme stress. They hit menopause without preparing
menopause. They just hit menopause. Immediately
end, they don't get a period. I've had women
come in for a session. They'll say, oh, I have
very menopause. I have menopause quite early
at my 14th. No, at 14. And I'll ask the body
if that was a natural way the body wanted to
menopause. And the boy said, no, it comes from
trauma. And when I went to a session and unearthed
the trauma and there's a lot of trauma relating
to men, such as father passed away, husband passed
away, anything that has to do with the masculine,
women get very badly affected by it. And because
the testosterone is what actually balances the
estrogen. So women get cancer because there's
not enough testosterone in the body. That's why
the estrogen becomes dominant. So in life, it's
the same. We need the masculine energy to be
able to support women. And when that masculine
is not there, the body can't function as the
feminine. So she went into menopause immediately.
But after a couple of sessions, the period started
to come back and trickle. We don't need the full
bleeding. We need a cycle. Because that cycle
means a lot of things. So the reproductive system
is very amazing. We really underestimate it.
You know, the ovaries are all about taking instruction
to take action for the cycle. You want to do
something, you need an ovarian cycle, you need
an egg. to come out. And that egg represents,
I'm going to implant something. I'm going to
do something new. It's a beginning of a brand
new day, a brand new project. And we women, right
now we go out there into the world, we create
stuff. We don't just create babies. You create
a podcast, you create the projects that you fall
in love with and want to do. And having a period
is important because we want to continue to be
in that energy of being able to create. So when
this lady came for a session after that, she
started to have a period coming back sporadically.
And it's not whether it's regular or not, but
rather how she felt after that. And she felt
like, I could do this again. I could come out
to life again. I could do all these things again.
The things that she loved to do, she was able
to. start again and that's more important whether
a woman gets a period or not. This is going to
be a get ready for this jump okay this logical
jump but I hear you it's like by re -establishing
some level of her menstrual cycle you're re -establishing
her ability to create right it's kind of opening
that pathway and I Like I said, get ready. I
feel like this is also related to constipation
and women who don't pass bowels regularly. And
this is something that I think a lot of women
are not talking about that is an instrumental
indicator of health and energy flow, right? And
literally, if you are piling up with shit on
the inside and not passing it through. How are
you expected to be able to like you said have
this creative energy or have space? For you know
positive things to enter your life because you
are literally holding on to this shit Yeah, right,
but women don't talk about it. They're embarrassed.
Yeah, and they also think it's normal. They think
you Do you ask your patients how many times a
week they go? That's what I want to know In my
intake form I asked them the standard questions
When you sleep, do you wake up feeling restful?
That's one of the questions we ask as well, don't
we? How many times a week do you pass your bowel
seven times a week, every day? And that is an
indication of many things. You know, when you
talk about tapping on the gut brain, the gut
brain's intuition. If we power on the shit, we
can't see clearly the path ahead. And it is...
imperative to pass motion every single day. Say
it again, girl! And even when they say they do
it every day, I hold on to the order, I can check.
Is it clear? It may be maybe 50 % a day only,
which means they retain their old crap every
day. Yeah. And I feel like your form, like mine
is just how often they go, but your form actually
asked that. How big is it? Yeah. So I'm very.
That's a tight category. The Bristol school stool
scale. OK, first of all, you want to look at
your stool on the scale and see the texture.
And also you want to be passing about 12 inches
or 30 centimeters. of firm solid stool per day.
And that number shocks people. I could tell people,
you know, their optimal VO2 max, their hand grip
strength, and they're like, wow, that's really
intense. But when I talk about the optimized
shit, people lose their damn minds. I love that.
My kids would love a conversation because after
each poo they will say, mommy, it was a four
today. I love a solid Bristol four, okay? But
yeah, it's one of those things, but it's these
cycles, right? Whether we're talking about menstrual
cycles, whether we're talking about sleep cycles.
we were talking about, bowel cycles, all of these
regulatory cycles coexist in women, you know,
beautifully when things are right and are the
first indicator of when things are wrong. Such
a good indication, absolutely. Common misconceptions
that people have about body talk. What are they
and would you like to bust them for us? We often
say as practitioners, it's such a gentle and
non -invasive way of healing. And it is, it's
so beautiful. It can release trauma. without
ever re -traumatizing you, without, you know,
you don't have to go through anything at end
and it can all be released. So it is, it's really
gentle. It's non -invasive. But I think from
that, a lot of people just surmise that it is
slow and it's not. It is so powerful and it can
be so fast. And to what Sufin said earlier about,
you know, sometimes the complexity of the mind
and how easily it can shift. And you can have
such amazing results after even one session,
because it just depends on how easily you can
shift your mindset and we can release all belief
systems. But yeah, just to that point, it's a
really powerful system, even though it can still
be gentle at the same time. powerful but gentle
at the same time. Yeah, amazing. We're actually
coming to the end of the interview now, and it's
been incredible learning about body talk, learning
about both of your experiences. But before we
finish, we do have one question that we always
ask all of our guests, and that is, what's your
forties formula? How would you like to sum up
what you think women can do in their forties
to help them thrive? I believe it's about going
into the stage of life, or if you're already
there, it's not too late. I feel like it's going
in and cleaning out your slate, cleaning out
your system as much as you can, you know, and
whether that's looking at stresses and removing
them or doing some sort of a detox and whichever
way possible. As I said, I feel like we go into
this age so full already that we're just not
able to adapt to when the hormones surge, it
throws us over the edge. So I think if we have
whatever tools we want to use to clean out our
system so that when we enter this age, we're
able to adapt. We're able to go with the rise
and flow. And our systems are just that much
more able for it. Yeah, make space in your bucket.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I'm 48. So I have a very
little runway for, you know, until I hit men
pause. And I do a lot of physical Even though
I do a lot of energetic stuff, I still come back
to the physical. I look at my diet, I watch my
diet, I exercise a lot. Because the physical
body is still physical, it requires diet and
exercise. For the part which is mental and emotional
stress, like Rika said, the dumping is a regular
thing we do every day. As boy talkers, we are
always consistently trying to clarify and clean
the brain, clean the mind. But the physical parts
are more important. Diet is very important. So
I take a very low carb, low sugar diet. But I
do a Bikram yoga every other day, three to five
times a week. And that helps to keep everything
going, everything moving. So it's a combination
of things that I do. You're talking to a Beakroom
enthusiast. We'll have to talk about this more
off of air, but I love that piece of information.
Thanks for sharing that. And obviously, I'm on
the low carb, low sugar side. But thank you so
much, ladies. It has been wonderful having you
both here. And yeah, and just finding out more
about body talk. I think it's it's crazy, but.
Fascinating at the same time. So thank you so
much. Thank you very much. Thank you so much
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can get some, yeah. But in theory, you're holy.
Yes. Yes. Lens to my body.