What would you say are your top three recovery tools that you like to use or you found that your clients like to use?
Are we talking about cutting-edge technology or holistic practices?
Hello and welcome to the 40s Formula, your go-to place for insightful discussions on navigating your 40s and thriving in this transformative decade.
We're your hosts, Amanda and Jasmine, two women that are passionate about exploring the challenges and adventures that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead.
Diana Kramer is a sports scientist and former professional athlete with over 20 years of experience in holistic health, fitness and wellness.
As the co-founder of Recoup, Asia's first social wellness club, she pioneered a unique space in Singapore that seamlessly blends advanced technology with ancient practices through personalized wellness journeys.
With a strong foundation in biohacking and recovery techniques, she is also a sought-after speaker who shares how personalized wellness strategies can optimize health, manage stress, enhance recovery and promote longevity.
In her talks, Diana explores the future of wellness by integrating cutting-edge technology with biohacking practices, inspiring individuals to take control of their health and achieve optimal well-being in today's fast-paced world.
Our guest today is one of the most intriguing and visionary wellness entrepreneurs I've ever been tasked to interview.
And I am dying to pick her brain about everything from her own athletic background to her visionary work with Asia's first social wellness club to biohacking and everything in between.
So welcome, Diana.
Thank you so much, Jasmine and Amanda.
Lovely to be here and for everyone who's listening to us.
We are so happy to have you.
And you know that Jasmine and I are both coaches, right?
We're all in the health community and we both love how your version of wellness focuses on the outcome side of wellness, right?
But also the process side of wellness.
So things like cognitive training and personal training and holistic nutrition.
Can you talk us through your personal definition of longevity in wellness today and kind of what are the most impactful trends for optimizing that?
So as a professional athlete, former professional athlete and sports scientist, I always watch or see longevity and biohacking as well through the lenses of performance and recovery.
So longevity in general, it's using science and different holistic practices to not only expand our lifespan, but also our health span as well.
And as we just talked about it, there is different things, works for different people.
So using all the innovative technologies and also holistic practices, the goal is to create a life which we enjoy beyond all, but also we lengthening our health span as well as our lifespan.
And can you talk about that health span and lifespan again in this community?
We all know what it means, but I think for our listeners, just to clarify.
So lifespan is basically the number of years, right? And the health span that we can live those years that's still running, being on our full potential, exercising, living well.
And in general, just waking up every day energized and dealing with prevention.
I would say the main future of wellness as well is prevention, to be proactive regarding our health, not reactive.
So we see different measures and we proact and prevent.
I love that you said focusing on recovery, because I think a lot of times people will just focus on, right, I need to get to the gym.
I need to eat this way and I need to do this and I need to do that.
But actually you're right, because if your body isn't recovered well enough, you're not in the right place and then you'll end up maybe getting injured or, you know, overshooting the amount of energy requirement that you have and then not feeling your best self.
And I guess the whole purpose of everything is to feel your best.
Exactly. So as a professional athlete as well, Amanda,
we at that stage was very important to recover professionally.
And what I see and actually where the vision also came for this recovery place is to see that in Singapore everybody work hard, play hard.
Everybody's working and training as professional athletes.
But back then we also recovered as professional athletes.
It was a very important science based, actually biohacking, but I didn't know that phrase back then.
We recovered so we can thrive, so we can be on our optimal performance.
If we don't recover, we just wear off all our energies, resources, and at the end of the day we kind of burn out.
So it's very important to recover not only the muscles, but also recover physically, physiologically, psychologically, and even spiritually as well to be on our optimal performance.
Oh, you are so spot on. And I think you're absolutely right, Diana.
Those who don't have necessarily the athletic background or really the competitive athletic background, they kind of gloss over the recovery part because they're so focused on the performance part.
I need to get to my HIIT classes five times a week. I need to lift weight.
They're reading about these wellness gurus, but they're not reading the subtext, which is that then you must sleep for eight hours.
And my husband just got a Morpheus. Are you familiar with a Morpheus?
The device that tracks your HRV and then makes recommendations based on your recovery.
I know Garmin does a recovery score.
I've got my body batteries, which is called on Garmin.
Oh, I didn't know it was called that. It's so cool because actually mine was up to 100 today.
Look at you. Battery full. Ready to go.
Maybe Jasmine should be leading this interview today. No, I'm just kidding.
But at least the tech is catching up, right? The tech is catching up with the importance of recovery.
But anyone who's done athletics realizes that that is literally the undercurrent for any performance goals that you have.
Exactly. And I love these variable devices and everything that is possible to to to purchase and to integrate into our lives today.
But I always say the question is, are we doing something about the data?
And what are we doing about the data? Are we just reading it?
And it's an additional stress that, oh, my God, I didn't sleep well.
Oh, my God, my HRV is not in the right level.
Or we really using this data to do something better, to do something about it.
And some people have that kind of body awareness, which is great.
And then we know how to shift and how to create optimal condition for the body to heal itself by itself.
But some people need guidance. And that's completely fine, because that's why we are here.
We're here to help all the wellness experts and professionals to hold hand and help people on their wellness journeys.
But it's important to take the initial steps to set the intention that we need to recover.
There is no way around it. You are so right.
What would you say are your sort of favorite or top three recovery tools that you like to use?
Or you found that your clients like to use? Are we talking about cutting edge technology or holistic practices?
Because it's so difficult. I would even want to know, like, what are your top three?
Like, literally in your life, what do you find the most useful?
All right. So just because of my background in Asia, I'm over 20 years in Asia.
I have lived in Thailand, India, China, and now Singapore for over 20 years.
So ancient practices is really in my core.
I always say that I look Caucasian, but actually I'm Asian from the inside.
I also say this.
I think I'm the reverse. I look Asian, but I don't know if I really am.
So I have to start to go back before we go forward.
I would say it's always very important to have the foundation and the past before we go into the future.
So number one and most important for me is breathwork, breathwork and meditation and all kinds of breathwork.
So it can be a pranayama and a yoga based. I'm also a yogi. I love yoga. That's my grounding.
So yoga would be my second one.
That's where I start my day every morning on my mat with meditation, breathwork and yoga.
So that's definitely a very big pillar.
Sleep, which a huge science we always say or we used to say, I will sleep later.
I don't have time to sleep now, but we all know if we don't sleep well, then everything falls out of balance.
So this is also number two. And of course, nutrition.
So this is very, very important that what we put into our bodies, so nourishment, breath and grounding and sleep.
So that would be my first three on the ancient practices or in the holistic or in just general.
And then when it comes to cutting edge technology, OK, let's let's choose my top favorite one.
I would say number one, two, three, maybe oxygen. I didn't prepare for this.
So I'm just going to come from the top of my head.
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Now back to the chat.
And number one would be maybe oxygen hydroxy therapy because first of all, I just love that machine.
It's like going into a little spaceship and it's infusing the body with 50 percent more oxygen in a pressurized environment.
The pressure is one point thirty five eighty eight, which is the same pressure like in the womb.
Wow. And also molecular hydrogen.
So it's basically for cognitive health oxygen, oxygenating the body, reducing oxidative stress.
And in general, just in recovery, usually I love to combine it with new calm, which is a neuroacoustic sound healing technique,
which brings the brain waves down to four to eight hertz, which is alpha and theta state.
And it actually has been developed for the Navy SEAL, the Green Beret and Air Force to for these extreme stressful environment to again to recover.
Yeah. So their program is rescue.
And it's really like rescuing from the extreme stress of day to day life.
Is that I'm just wondering whether that's similar to those types of devices like an Apollo neuro,
where I think it sends frequencies to help calm your vagus nerve.
Is it a similar type thing, but like at a sort of bigger scale?
So we're talking about the oxygen hydroxy or the new kind of neuroacoustic.
It's basically mathematics and algorithm underneath the music.
Wow. So it's basically it's influencing the brain waves through music and algorithm and mathematics underneath that.
And when you were saying you combine them. So it's something you do while you're having that oxygen hydroxy.
Exactly. Why you are inside in this pressurized cabin with the additional oxygen and then you need to cover your eyes, have the headset on.
And then you go into this calm state. You might be sleeping, but it's still working.
But many times you awake, but you come out like you had a two hours deep sleep.
Wow. It's extreme. So for me, that's I would say number one.
Number two is a quick one is a cryo ice therapy.
Quick and painful for our listeners.
It has two options. I mean, it can be on that ice bath when we submerge right in ice cold water.
That's also great. But in a cryo ice therapy, just walk into a cabin, which is minus 87 degree.
And it's basically boosting endorphin. So you already come out and you're automatically smiling.
So it's working on a hormone level is reducing inflammation and also promotes rapid muscle recovery.
How long do you go in there for? Sorry. Three minutes.
So full session is three minutes and best to go inside really just covering the small parts of the body, fingers, toes, ears and nose.
And it just feels amazing. I'm the kind of I don't like cold water.
So this is obviously not water. This is a room. But I'm that person, you know, like if I'm going to a swimming pool, I dip my toe in.
Oh, fuck. It's so cold. I can't do it. Do you find that because it's so cold that it doesn't feel as cold as like it's emerging in water.
It doesn't feel that cold because it's dry cold. So you can, of course, put the fan up and then it's like feels really cold.
But in general, of course, it is cold. It's like a super cold freezer. Yeah.
But it's it's it's actually fun. It's bearable. You can march in there. You can dance in there.
You can have a nice music on. And then it's it's actually three minutes past.
So I began to tell you what I've seen when it's weird because I was like, oh, I'm seeing someone walking in with like a bikini on.
But like a ms and it's it's not right. But you're saying you're meant to cover this.
Exactly. This is the right way to be dressed for a cryo ice therapy. Exactly. And then number three would be an infrared sauna,
but a proper infrared sauna where we had infrared far infrared near infrared mid also red light and chromotherapy
because of the collagen production in general just warmth because again, cold is great.
But it's again, we're putting another stress on the body on top of all the running and all the errands and everything we are doing.
But sometimes it's very important to keep that warmth from the for the body.
Also with the special wavelengths to penetrate into the skin and also to basically stimulate the sweat glands to remove not only toxic,
but also heavy metals from the body. So for detoxification as well and in general stress release, calming the body collagen production.
It's also another beautiful technology. And would you combine the cold with the infrared or would they be separate things or separate days?
So I love to combine and I recommend it's called the contrast therapy to combine. There are different protocols.
Again, people also ask what is the best timing for a contrast therapy? So bio individual.
So it also depends if we would like to use it for sleeping well.
So it means that we would like to calm the body or are we using it to energize and then obviously we finish it off with the cold and then we feel uplifted.
Or are we used? So there are so many ways and so many protocols to to use hot and cold together.
I definitely recommend to use it together. But again, for some people in certain periods of their time, maybe they just need warm.
For some people need for cold because of inflammation in the body. So it's like it's really personalized.
Yeah, we were just my husband. I were just in Austria and we stayed at a spa hotel. Very, very European spa hotel.
And it had 22 saunas. Some were infrared. Some were just warm. Right.
You know, not even hot. And then some, you know, were exactly the traditional finish. Exactly.
Then there were like the recovery pools next to them, like the plunge pools and stuff.
And so you could kind of choose your own adventure.
And, you know, obviously my husband and I had very different responses to what we preferred, what we you know, what made us feel energized, what made us feel relaxed.
So I think an experience like that is amazing. And having access to a resource like that.
But it was like in the Tyrolean Alps in Austria. The fact that we have that now in Singapore.
And again, with with guidance of doing it properly, I think it's so cool.
Yeah, it's really nice. However, being in the Alps, that's another level.
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So it's really good to have in our neighborhood. But when it going to the Alps and looking outside, I'd actually look at some of those places.
I'm intrigued. You can't recreate that feeling of being in nature and the, you know, the grand walls.
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Now back to the chat.
But like you said, the environment that you're in can impact also kind of how you absorb these treatments and how your body responds to wellness.
Can you share with us from some of your travels around Asia and some of the places that you've lived?
What of their traditions and cultural experiences and rituals do you find most compelling?
And which of them do you think kind of translate better to the Western style?
I mean, you've mentioned yoga, but are there other kind of that maybe our listeners would be less familiar with?
All right. So just thinking back on my journey.
So my Asia journey started in Thailand, where I really dove deep into Vipassana meditation.
I had the opportunity to learn Vipassana meditation from Khun Phon, who used to be a Buddhist monk for 20 years.
So for me, I have a very deep connection with Vipassana meditation and in general meditation is part of my day to day life.
But that especially helped me to let go of certain traumas in life and in general to understand how important it is that we come back to the moment, we come back to the now.
So definitely, I would say Thailand as that was a big takeaway.
And that's where I also did my yoga teacher training and I did my first juice cleanse, which ever since since over 14 years, I'm doing every year twice.
So that's really again, one person's food, other person's poison for me, it works perfectly.
These were my main takeaways from Thailand.
Then I lived in India for three years.
In India, I really understood and dived deep into Ayurveda and different kind of Ayurveda practices.
My husband opened the world biggest retreat back then in the Western Ghats in the middle of India.
So it was a huge one thousand four hundred.
I'm never good at numbers. I might need to double check acres or hectare.
Oh, gosh. Oh, my gosh.
So it's really was huge and we had Ayurvedic doctors, we have yoga doctors.
So they're really I understood and and practiced and learned and I learned from the best of the best also from Mr.
Iyengar himself, Iyengar yoga as well.
So that was amazing to to learn from these traditional healers, gurus. That was a very deep dive in India.
Then in Thailand, sorry, then in China, I also learned more of the traditional Feng Shui Taoism also for the mental part.
So I was more and more diving into mental health and working together with the psychologist, building a course like a digital course together.
So that was a big part.
Again, all of this, I think it's a beautiful combination with Western and Eastern.
So we can we can use it both, of course, in every culture has a different meaning and has a different background and attached to different feelings,
sensations and outcomes. I always believe to find the golden middle.
I love extremes both ways, but my goal has always been to find the golden middle in all of these technique practices and techniques.
And then, of course, comes all the ancient sorry, all the cutting edge technology, which is so beautifully can combine with these two.
And that's how my concept of social wellness in Asia started to to born in a way to combine these two, because especially in this culture,
I think it's very, very important to pay respect for the past and then to combine it with the future.
So the East, how beautifully can meet with West.
I love that. I like how you're you're integrating the past, the future, the East, the West.
And you can take little bits from everything and then create something which could be workable for a lot of people.
So that's amazing. And I mean, Singapore has such a great foundational model for this because we have TCM, right?
We have and we have Western medicine and in Singapore, TCM and Western medicine peacefully coexist.
Right. And you're as likely to be in a medical clinic as you are to be in a TCM clinic.
And no one thinks no one looks at you sideways if you say that you're going for cupping and physio.
You know, it's like, oh, yeah, well, that's fine.
You know, so I think bringing that into a broader array of practices is, you know, Singapore sets the stage for that.
We're here for that. Right.
We had Danny Vandeveld on the show a couple of seasons ago, and I know she's part of the recoup team as well.
And she always jokes that and I love how she says this.
She likes to de-woo-ify spirituality.
Right. She's like, I'm going to take it from woo woo like into the real world.
How do you de-woo-ify some of these longevity concepts for your audience?
So let's be honest, right. Like, I know what Iyengar Yoga is.
I know what Ashtanga Yoga is. I know what infrared is.
But I don't think that that is broadly the case. Right.
I think that some of these specificities are very hard to translate.
How do you bring it kind of to the ground level?
I think it's very important in wellness that we always meet people where they are.
So we don't have, basically, we're non-expectational and we're non-judgmental.
So we don't have the expectation for people to really understand what we're talking about.
However, there are people who like maybe even know more because they, you know, like really dive deep or, you know,
like they are the generation who for innovation, they are far ahead of me.
But for me as a wellness expert, it's really to see a person, understand where he or she is,
knowing everything which I have learned in the past three decades or over,
and then find what is the most appropriate techniques, modules, holistic practices,
which is for this person could be transformation at this time of their life.
And of course, this is like very, I would say, very bio individual, very personalized in a broader perspective.
Just in general, to find to translate into real language and not to overly complicate things.
So exactly as Danny also say, de-woof-ify.
So I have to have a good word for that in wellness and longevity and biohacking,
because some people when they hear the word biohacking, like stepping back, like, you know, have very mixed feelings.
And that's what I said. We already done biohacking before 2000, right?
But we didn't know it's biohacking.
So, you know, some words resonate with some people, some words not.
So it's how to simplify it and make it understandable.
And I always say, just watch how you feel after.
Just I don't need to say anything. Just go through the experience,
go through the journey and just watch yourself, how you feel.
And then the proof is in the pudding.
Let's say a lady comes to you. Well, let's call her Lucy. I don't know why I put that name.
Yeah, Lucy. She's 43 years old. She's got three kids.
She's working full time. She's stressed out. She has got a lot on her plate.
How would you then sort of work through what? Oh, and she's exercising every day, like crazy exercising every day.
How would you work through how she can recover so that she could be her best self?
And, you know, she's not overstretching herself.
So what would you say would be like the steps or even the tools that she could use to best manage her situation?
I always say that's a very great example.
I kind of think a lot of us can resonate with this, especially as women.
We always put everyone in front of us, our husbands, our kids, our colleagues, especially pleasers.
Right. We always want to make sure everyone else is all right.
And then we come at last. So I always say self-care is so important because we can give the word, the best of us,
not what's left of us. So first of all, when I see Lucy, I would ground her.
I would just ask her to just come back to your breath a little bit because she already has so much stress.
She's already running. Plus, on top of it, she's still exercising, probably high impact exercising every day.
So I would just ask her to come and breathe with me just for, you know, like for breath, just to ground and arrive.
And then I would start to understand what are her lifestyle stressors because that's the most important.
We all have lifestyle stressors. And then to see what could be the antidotes for her lifestyle stressors.
And most of the time in these cases, to really let her recover and come back to herself,
to basically give some dedicate some quality time for herself to calm her parasympathetic nervous system,
to, you know, like increase HRV, let's make sure how is her sleep, to see what are the points in her life
where he is like compromising from giving up. So put the oxygen mask to her first and to see then how she can take care of everyone else.
So obviously, I would recommend her different kind of recovery techniques, both from holistic practices and also from innovative practices as well.
I can already recommend my top favorites would be fantastic for her.
But it's like the rainbow. There are there are so many options out there.
Yeah, I think exactly what you're saying. Personalization is one of the themes of the future of longevity.
Right. So even hyper personalization. I like hyper personalization.
Well, so then I mean, that basically is my next question. Right. Like what other thematics or what other trends do you see as the future of this industry?
So in general, genomics, microbiome analyzing different kind of AI devices, which can already prevent what you should do,
not really analyzing your past or based on your past and your genomics, your lifestyle, your your microbiome can tell you, for example.
It's not that appropriate, but I can already see a toilet in the morning after your tell you what you should do.
Yes. As we say in America already tell you what you're supposed to eat today.
Wow. Could you imagine? So, you know, like these these kind of small things, of course, and then it's up to you.
It's in your hand. Yes. You will go accordingly or you're not.
And it's but it's but you have the option to decide that for the optimal microbiome for feeding the right bacteria today.
And what is it that I should eat today? Or, for example, other epigenetics, AI technologies,
who tells you, do you need warm or do you need cold today?
So like, you know, like small things when we were talking about contrast therapies, right?
Some day we need warm or different parts of the day. Defense also our genetics.
Sometimes we need cold to be energized, uplifted.
But when and how some people are very gifted, they have very good body awareness.
But some people need guidance, guidance of AI, guidance of coaches.
Different technologies can show the directions.
And who like so many exciting things, I think, with AI, the future awareness is like, oh, it's going to be super exciting.
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Right. It's not just an HRV reader. OK, we all have HRV from our Apple watch or whatever.
Right. It then gives you a specific training protocol for that day.
Right. Yes. But and that and that's cool in itself.
Right. That's already cool. But what I like about it in kind of the female subtext is that let's say you are under recovered.
Let's say you are Lucy. All right. And you're at with an end after the day that you've had.
And then you wake up and you're, you know, HRV reader says, you know what?
This is your training protocol for today. Yeah. Zone one. Yeah.
Twenty minute walk. Exactly. Breathe some air, get some sunshine.
It then gives her permission to rest.
And I think that that's one of those things that it's like this woman who might be otherwise reading her her bio data from her Apple watch or garment or whatever.
And think I got to go. I got to burn calories. I got to close the rings.
I got to do the thing. Having this kind of more nuanced data where it's like, no, actually, what you need today is recovery, self-care and some kind treatment on your body.
And then she can accept that because it's a third party. Right. It's not a judgment from society.
It's not a it's a you didn't go for your run today. You aren't failing at your goals.
It's like, no, this is actually what you need to be better at your performance goals.
And I think high performing women struggle with this so much.
And if A.I. and these devices that are more nuanced than some of the readers that we have can achieve that for us and direct them into more of the targeted recovery, I think that is wonderful.
This is exactly. And then basically, as you said, they give permission for them to rest.
So even A type people can measurably understand and see that this is what I need to be on my optimal performance to thrive.
And then I would add one more thing at the end. When they done, I would give them a mantra.
You've done enough. You have enough. You are enough because that's very important that most of the time we always have the feeling.
Have I done enough? Right. Especially perfectionist. Yeah.
I'm I'm coaching a productivity addict right now. And she's self professed.
She can't take a moment's downtime because she feels like it's unproductive time.
Exactly. And yeah. Redefining that rest and care is actually productive time. You know, it helps you achieve your better goals.
I think that's yeah. Women need to hear that. All right. I actually heard on a podcast.
I think it's Chris Williamson and he was saying he's such a type A personality.
Even when he's trying to, you know, breathe, he'll be in his meditation class and he's like, I'm going to kick ass at breathing.
I'm going to breathe the slowest and the deepest. I guess it's really hard for certain people to get out of that mode.
No, I think you are absolutely right, by the way.
I think real type A's and productivity addicts and high performers really struggle with just letting go.
And that is where what you do is so valuable. Can we scale back just one quick second?
So, you know, we've talked about all the wellness stuff and specific stuff, but I want to talk about your business journey, specifically that.
Can you tell us how so you were previously in hospital? First of all, you're previously previously an athlete, right?
And that really is a career, right? It was my first career for sure.
And then you were in hospitality and then you made this pivot to wellness, but still kind of hospitality in a sense.
Can you share with us your entrepreneurial journey?
Actually, it started with fitness. And so I was already in fitness and sport mainly because I'm after my professional athlete athletic career.
I graduated as a sports scientist and actually I started my journey as a personal trainer.
And also I was already teaching classes from the age of 16 because I was national champion and bronze medalist on a World Cup.
So I was already teaching classes like aerobic classes, spinning. I was also an own zone trainer.
So already back then I was already measuring my heart rate. And it was like in 1996.
Like really long time ago. When no one was doing that, by the way.
And we were calling it own zone. So, you know, already figuring out what is your personal zone, right? To train.
I quite like that, Tam. I feel like everyone should take own zone. I do like that. Good job, 1986.
Yes. So actually my professional started with fitness, fitness, sport, physical health, I would say.
And then due to a personal tragedy, I left Europe and that's why I moved to Thailand to basically to let go.
And to that's why I started with personal meditation. And then because I love to work with people and that's why I moved toward hospitality.
But hospitality also was infused with events and also travel agency experiences. So that and my entrepreneurs,
entrepreneur skill, but I had to move away a little bit of fitness to be able to let go.
And then, of course, I couldn't hold myself back. And that's when I started yoga.
So already on the side, I started to teach yoga after my teacher training.
And so actually wellness, fitness has always been part of my life, even though professionally I was doing hospitality.
But then more and more with India and China and all these Asian roots, I dive deeper and deeper into physical, mental.
So through mindfulness and different kind of spiritual health as well.
And of course, physiological through integrative nutrition and different kind of modalities.
So then in 2020 in Singapore, I founded Live Life Holistic, which is basically for retrieves.
So often until today, twice a year, I'm hosting retrieves because I love to create.
So that's my probably my hospitality background.
I love to create experiences for people to uplift, to come home to themselves, to switch off from this day to day demanding life.
And also digital courses, digital courses for physical health and digital courses for mental health as well through meditation and different kind of modalities.
And then through Live Life Holistic, I started to basically pioneering the concept of Recoup,
where combining cutting edge technology with ancient practices for people to come home to themselves.
That was the initial intention to regain self, reclaim energy and restore balance.
So that that was the journey of Recoup.
With Recoup, once this beautiful concept has been fulfilled and developed, it was time to let go and pass it to the operation team.
And and now I'm ready to through workshops, through future concepts, through personalized coaching to spread this well-being to uplift people, for people to become the better version of themselves.
And I love that mantra, the better version of yourself.
Right. Not that Instagram perfection, not what you think it should be.
Not, you know, our buddy, Brian Johnson, necessarily.
But what's the best version of you? And I think that's beautiful.
And that leads so well into our final question for today, Diana, which is something that we ask every guest on the podcast.
And I think you'll have a great answer for this because of the way that you live your life aspirationally for a lot of us.
What is your 40s formula? You admitted to us off air that you are in your 40s officially.
So we know she's established in the 40s, folks, and we would love to know in two to three sentences.
What do you think women in their 40s need to have or know or do to thrive?
I think it's very important. And again, I didn't prepare for this question.
So I'm just going to say what is in the top of my hand and for the top of my head.
And again, the mantra, which I love this mantra.
And I'm telling myself day by day, I've done enough. I have enough. I am enough.
So we don't have the shoulds that what we should do.
We put away the chatters and the mind.
So we are able to calm our mind and really come back to the moment to come back to really live our life.
And I just came back from Chivasom and the founders one sentence above all, enjoy your life.
So I think it's very, very important. There are so much biohacking. There are so much invention.
There are so much we can do, which is great. But it's very important to find a balance.
Enjoy life the fullest. But the next day in the morning, I always say I always start my day with a celery juice.
A meditation, yoga, any kind of exercise to create that wellness circle, because then I will hydrate well.
Then I will eat well. Then I will sleep well. I feel good throughout the day.
And then I can start my day again uplifted and fulfilled.
There's always those rituals, right, that tie us back to our best selves.
And it could be celery juice. It could be a cup of coffee.
Exactly. No judgements.
I love the idea of the full circle of wellness. It brings you back.
Yes. So I fully believe in holistic wellness, where we basically restore the body's physical, physiological,
psychological and spiritual health in an active transformation. So that's what I believe in.
That's my 40s formula to live a holistic life.
And who doesn't want that? Right. It sounds amazing. Thank you so much, Diana, for being with us today.
We really appreciate your insights and we would love to have you back again.
Thank you so much for having me. It was a beautiful conversation. And thank you for everyone listening to us.
Thank you.
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Wonderful. You are so obviously your media trained, right? Because you have the ability to repeat your messages clearly, but without sounding like you're repeating yourself.
Yeah, I hope I know I repeat it, but I knew that you cut it out.
No, and you take it from a different angle, but everyone gets the clarity of your message. Right.
But it was wonderful. It was really great. And I think it will reach our audience beautifully. So thank you for your thank you.
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