1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Before we go, Dr. Serinda, we do want to ask you one final question, and that is, what's your 40s formula? 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Yeah, absolutely. So are you asking specifically in the 40s? 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 By the way, you know I'm not in my 40s. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 I know, I know. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,000 I was like, do I need to hear? 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Two of our three guests today are not in their 40s. 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,000 In fact, I think Theresa might be in her 50s. 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,000 I think you are. 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 So I think we've actually not met all three people. 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 But our listeners are in their 40s. 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Absolutely. So are you specifically in... I've got a lot for women in their 40s. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Yeah, let's go with that first. 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Hey, hey, and welcome to the 40s formula. 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Your go-to place for insightful discussions on navigating the 40s and thriving in this transformative decade. 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000 We're your hosts, Jasmine and Amanda. 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Two women that are passionate about exploring the challenges and adventures that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead. 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Dr. Serinda Arora is well known for taking a holistic approach to oral health and sees her role as a dentist as putting the mouth back into the body. 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:22,000 She holds a Bachelor of Dental Surgery from the UK and has a certification in biological dentistry and is a member of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology. 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:30,440 She is a certified health coach, Kundalini Yoga teacher and a 20 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:36,440 Master's degree in public health. She enjoys public speaking and is frequently invited to share her expertise. 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:42,440 She is also the co-founder of the Holistic Horizon, a platform to educate and empower individuals on their health journeys. 22 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,440 Today we are going to be speaking with Dr. Serinda Arora. 23 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:52,440 She is a biological dentist and we're pleased to welcome her here on the 40s formula. 24 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,440 Hi, Dr. Serinda. 25 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Hi, thank you so much for having me. 26 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,440 It's a pleasure to be here. 27 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:08,440 Oh, it's wonderful to have you. Now, before we sort of get into the depths of it all, can you please explain to our listeners what is a holistic or a biological approach to dentistry? 28 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:14,440 Yeah, absolutely. So this is really about taking a whole person approach to your oral health care. 29 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,440 So if you think about a medical system, it's very compartmentalized in many ways. 30 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:24,440 So we have dental, we have medical, but actually dental is a very important part of our lives. 31 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,440 So we have a lot of medical, but actually dental is part of the body. 32 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,440 So my role is like putting the mouth back into the body. 33 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,440 So some of the things that I might look at are lifestyle factors, stress, sleep, nutrition. 34 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,440 Nutrition is so important and really underestimated with regard to the oral health. 35 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,440 Then I look at things like airway and breathing. 36 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,440 So that's very important. Snoring, sleep apnea, going back to the sleep again. 37 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:53,440 And then do you have any infections inside your mouth that might be causing issues in the rest of the body? 38 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,440 There are other aspects like the type of dental materials that are used. 39 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:04,440 So we really look at a lot of different aspects and people really don't understand the depth of the connection of the mouth to the rest of the body. 40 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,440 We can see disease in the mouth that links to the body as well. 41 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,440 So, I mean, the scope and the realm is just phenomenal. 42 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,440 Yeah, it's crazy because I guess you just think, oh, it's your teeth and that's it. 43 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,440 But there's definitely more to it. 44 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:27,440 We started getting into this rabbit hole of holistic dentistry when we realized that all three of our boys were snoring at night. 45 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,440 And then it was like, geez, what's happening? 46 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,440 So we went to go see an ENT and you're kind of like, well, hold on, there must be more to it. 47 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Then we realized there was this thing about the tongue posture and the mouth breathing. 48 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,440 So can you tell us a little bit about that and how that would affect somebody? 49 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Oh, goodness me, yes. 50 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,440 So this is a huge topic, mouth breathing versus nose breathing. 51 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,440 Many of your listeners may have heard about this already. 52 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:58,440 So at rest, our lips should be together, tongue on the palate, breathing through the nose at all times. 53 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,440 OK, unless obviously you're doing a specific meditation or you're eating or talking. 54 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:03,440 OK, so tongue. 55 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:10,440 And when we say tongue on the palate, it's the whole of the tongue rolled up to the whole of the palate, not just the tip behind the two front teeth. 56 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,440 That's just a starting point. Why? 57 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,440 When we breathe through the nose, the air is humidified. 58 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,440 It's moisture is added to it as well. 59 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,440 It also mixes with nitric oxide. 60 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,440 Nitric oxide is a bronchodilator. 61 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,440 So it opens everything up. 62 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,440 It also helps to sterilize the air that's coming in with regard to your pathogens. 63 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,440 So your viruses and your bacteria's are mitigated by the nitric oxide. 64 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,440 You don't get that through the mouth. Right. 65 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,440 And then we see kids with more allergies or getting sick more often because their mouth breathing. 66 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,440 So the next point is when you're breathing through the mouth, it can affect your development. 67 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:55,440 OK, so the mouth and the face is typically longer and slimmer when we're mouth breathing and the tongue isn't on the palate. 68 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,440 Think about the palate as the floor of the nose. 69 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:04,440 OK, so if that palate is hasn't got anything pressing against it, so it's not forming nice and broad. 70 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,440 It's forming like this, more narrow. 71 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,440 And then that's the base of the nose. 72 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:16,440 So this can lead to airway issues, sleep apnea, snoring and a whole other plethora of health consequences. 73 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,440 So we started mouth taping our boys. 74 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,440 Now, I know that's going to be like a controversial topic. 75 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,440 What the fuck? Yeah. 76 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,440 But actually, it's a little cross thing which you kind of put on like this and they can still breathe. 77 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,440 In fact, I'm going to be honest, every morning we find this mouth tape everywhere. 78 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,440 I was going to say, do they tolerate that? 79 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,440 Because I don't know that my kids could. 80 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,440 So we first started typing on before we put them to bed and it would come off straight away. 81 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,440 So now we wait until they fall asleep and then we put it on. 82 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,440 Oh no. 83 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:53,440 Sometimes, you know, like we'll wake up in the morning and the mouth tape is off and it's like stuck to the hair. 84 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,440 So it comes off easily. Don't worry. I'm not, you know, like stopping my kids from breathing. 85 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,440 But what are your thoughts around that? 86 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Is that a good tactic to kind of get someone to breathe through their nose? 87 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,440 If you can breathe through your nose well, and this is really important, 88 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,440 if people have allergies or they can't or they've got a deviated septum, mouth taping is not for you. 89 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,440 OK, so there are some reasons you wouldn't. I tape. I tape every night. 90 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,440 You do? Yeah, I tape. Yeah. 91 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,440 I'm an ex-mouth breather. Wow. 92 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,440 Confession. It's true. And it gives me such a better night's sleep. 93 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,440 Now, even as an adult, if I'm doing the cross, I do the cross now as well. 94 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,440 And I just use a simple 3M Micropore surgical tape to do it. 95 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,440 You get a lot of products on the market that can help with taping. 96 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,440 Sometimes I take it off. Sometimes it's like on my top or you know, you find it in different. 97 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,440 Oh, yeah, that's my mouth tape. If I can't breathe well through my nose, 98 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,440 say if I'm a bit congested or something along these lines. But it's a great tool. 99 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,440 It's not for everyone. But if people are open to it, it's definitely something to explore. 100 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,440 Once you've seen all of your professionals, essentially your ENT and your dentist. 101 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,440 Dumb question, because you mentioned kids and you mentioned kids. 102 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,440 Yeah. Like why would a child default to mouth breathing? 103 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,440 Is it because of some structural thing or is that just like how like what? 104 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,440 Like in theory, if it's optimized to have your tongue flat against your palate, 105 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,440 wouldn't kids naturally do that? Yeah. But why wouldn't they? 106 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,440 Yeah, it's a great question. And it's not a dumb question at all. 107 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,440 So when we come through, when we're born, there are a lot of factors to consider. 108 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,440 So how are we born? Essentially, was it a traumatic birth? 109 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,440 Was there compression on the head in a specific way? 110 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,440 So this is something. So when we see children that have come through, 111 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,440 often the recommendation is see an osteopath or get some body work done to adjust. 112 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:42,440 So it can be habitual. Now, it's important when we do come through the role of breastfeeding. 113 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,440 Now, I totally appreciate as a mother myself, it's not everyone's journey to be breastfeeding 114 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,440 and not every child can be breastfed. And the latching can be very challenging for some people. 115 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,440 However, if we don't get a good latch or we're not breastfed as a baby, 116 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,440 the tongue is not pressing against the nipple. Now, this whole process of suckling is very important 117 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,440 because it encourages the tongue to press against the nipple to get the milk out 118 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,440 and press against the palate for palatal development, the palate being the roof of the mouth. 119 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,440 OK, so that's essentially where it starts. Then it can be habitual. 120 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,440 Then it can be allergics, Singapore mold. Yes. You know, this is huge. 121 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Like dust, my allergies, whatever. And then we get this progressive, 122 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,440 habitual mouth breathing that we have to rectify later on. 123 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,440 And then it's like a real holistic approach. Like you're going to ENT, checking adenoids and tonsils. 124 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,440 You're checking for allergies. You're doing some body work. All of that. 125 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,440 Yeah. Wow. I had no idea. Yeah, it's crazy. And you know what's really weird? 126 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,440 So this can sound so odd, but you know, my husband and I will be watching something as we're so attuned to it. 127 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:49,440 Now we'll look at someone on the TV and we're like, oh, that girl's trying to look sexy with her mouth open breathing. 128 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,440 But to me, all I keep thinking is she's a mouth breathing. 129 00:08:53,440 --> 00:09:00,440 I bet you do the same. Yeah. Well, I think we've also been conditioned that mouth breathing looks sexy. 130 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,440 The lips apart very slightly. You can see a bit of the teeth. 131 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,440 And when you look at the models, even you see them now, if you walk down Orchard Road 132 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,440 and you look at the models on the video screens and in the stores, 133 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,440 a lot of them still have their lips apart. Yeah. That is not healthy. 134 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:21,440 Yeah. It is just not healthy. So talking about being healthy, you mentioned the oral microbiome. 135 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,440 Can you explain how that impacts our overall health? 136 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,440 Because I think we always hear about the gut. You know, the gut seems to be the big thing. 137 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:34,440 But what's the entry point? Yeah. Yeah. What's the entry point? And we miss that. It's the mouth. 138 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,440 The mouth is the gateway to the gut. So anything we're putting in here is going into here. 139 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:44,440 If we have dysbiosis, essentially an imbalance in the oral microbiome, guess what's happening in the gut. 140 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:50,440 So fun facts. We have 700 species of bacteria, fungi and viruses in our mouth. 141 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:58,440 Okay. In a day when we swallow, we have we will swallow about 140 billion of these. 142 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,440 So what's going on in here goes directly into the gut. 143 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,440 Now, there's a book, I believe it's called Heal Your Oral Microbiome. 144 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:13,440 I think it's Nelson Dooley and she hypothesizes that 99 percent of the bacteria inside the mouth is good bacteria. 145 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:22,440 One percent is not good. Now, you'll hear a lot of this like, oh, disinfecting the mouth or mouthwash is to try and get rid of the bad bacteria. 146 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:32,440 But that's only one percent. If the bacteria in the mouth is imbalanced, we are more prone to dental disease, inflammation, all the same stuff as the gut dysbiosis imbalance. 147 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,440 OK. And the role of the microbiome is very important. 148 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,440 It even produces nitric oxide to get the oxygen to the right places in the system. 149 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:46,440 So it's very, very important that is balanced and diverse and you can share your microbiome. 150 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:53,440 So if you have a dental cavity or if you have a dental infection and you're sharing your cup with your child, guess what happens? 151 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,440 Wow. That's crazy, isn't it? 152 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,440 And you mentioned mouthwash. Yeah. So are we not mouthwashing? Are we anti mouthwash? What's the situation? 153 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,440 So I would recommend everybody read the ingredients list on all of the products they are using. 154 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,440 Everything. So if you're someone who reads food labels, you want to be checking toothpaste labels. 155 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,440 You want to be checking antiseptic mouthwash. What are we trying to achieve by using a mouthwash? 156 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,440 I remember I had a friend growing up in school. 157 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:24,440 This is like a million years ago, like because I'm talking primary school and she used white vinegar as a mouthwash. 158 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,440 Is that a thing? So it can be a thing. 159 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,440 I mean, I haven't haven't really heard of white vinegar. I've heard of a lot of different things being used. 160 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,440 The thing is vinegar is very acidic. Yeah, right. 161 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,440 Just kill it. Yeah. So we're looking for balance. 162 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,440 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember thinking it was weird, but she thought it was normal. So I was like, I don't know. Yeah. 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This is like when we were learning to brush our teeth. 190 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,440 I can't even get my kids to use mint toothpaste. 191 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:42,440 So you said check labels, right? And you're talking about toothpaste. I'm talking about mouthwash. 192 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,440 What are we looking for that's not so great? What are we looking for that's good? 193 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,440 So you definitely don't want alcohol. 194 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,440 OK. Of any kind. Of any kind. Of any kind. 195 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,440 Not even like on a Saturday night. 196 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,440 I'll leave that to you ladies. 197 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,440 But in your oral health care products, imagine the mouth absorbs everything. 198 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,440 So everything you put into your mouth is being absorbed into the system. 199 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:09,440 Oral cancer. So you see more oral cancer when alcohol is in the mouth, right? 200 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,440 Smoking and alcohol. So we don't want to be doing that so much. And it wipes out everything. 201 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:19,440 So we're talking about microbiome balance. It's just going to be wiped out totally. 202 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,440 You want to have in your toothpaste something that re-mineralizes the tooth structure. 203 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,440 Does that mean fluoride? 204 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,440 So it could mean fluoride. And again, I encourage everybody to do their own research. 205 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,440 The role of fluoride evidence based is to re-mineralize the tooth structure. 206 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,440 And it does that. There are hundreds, thousands of papers that support that. 207 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,440 There are also papers that support indications of fluorosis. 208 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,440 This is where fluoride is ingested and then the enamel doesn't form as well as it could. 209 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,440 You get these white spots on the teeth, particularly in children. 210 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,440 That translates through to adulthood. 211 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,440 And fluoride toxicity is another one. 212 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,440 So you want to be looking at these things before you make your decision as to what you're using. 213 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,440 What else could you use then as a replacement to help re-mineralize the teeth? 214 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,440 So hydroxyapatite is something that you can use. 215 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,440 But again, do your research on the type of hydroxyapatite. 216 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:14,440 Oh, there's different types? 217 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,440 There are different types. Nano hydroxyapatite. 218 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,440 And it depends on the formulation of the toothpaste as well. 219 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,440 It's actually a really complex topic. 220 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,440 And there are a lot of toothpaste on the market now, which can be very confusing for consumers. 221 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:32,440 It's, you know, charcoal this and that, like all of, you know, it's like, what do I, so what do I use? 222 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,440 What should I be using? But you definitely want something to re-mineralize the teeth from the outside in for that support. 223 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:41,440 However, saying that it's actually all about diet and nutrition for your for your mouth. 224 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,440 We need to be eating the right foods. 225 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,440 Fat, soluble, rich, and rich. You're both nutritionists. You know all of this, right? 226 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,440 This is essential. And this is a big piece of the puzzle that we miss. 227 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:58,440 So what sort of things would you then recommend for people to include or not include? 228 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,440 Well, the obvious things to not include are refined sugars. 229 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,440 Of course. So you might. 230 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:08,440 That's something we can all agree on. That isn't there is no place for that in any metabolic process, right? 231 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,440 There is no place for that. And it's everywhere. 232 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:18,440 I recently lectured at one of the schools here in Singapore and I asked the audience, which were predominantly teachers, 233 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,440 what foods do you have in your canteen? 234 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:28,440 And they looked at me and they were like, well, we have noodles, we have breads, we have bakers, all of this. 235 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,440 What drinks do you have? We have Coca-Cola. 236 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:38,440 We have Milo. So I asked the question. I was like, OK, after lunch, what is the energy of your students? 237 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,440 And they were just like, yeah, they're not focusing. 238 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,440 And I'm like, why? Has anybody thought of why this is happening? 239 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:52,440 It's kind of like we don't make this connection between what our kids are eating, let alone ourselves and performance at school focus all of this. 240 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,440 So sugar is a big one. Acidic foods. If you're eating acidic foods. 241 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,440 It's like having apple cider vinegar as a dressing on my salad. 242 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,440 I mean, this is all about balance. You know, it's all about balance. 243 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,440 So I'm not saying just totally take out everything. 244 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,440 And it also depends on a lot of other factors. Are you mouth breathing? Are you absorbing your vitamin D? 245 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,440 So it's not just the diet, but the diet does play a huge role. 246 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:21,440 But acidic foods essentially are going to create or cause dental decay. 247 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:33,440 So when you get bacteria, sugar inside the mouth, there's a very complex pathway that happens of an acid being produced and then drawing out of minerals from the teeth and then dental decay, essentially. 248 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,440 So when you say acidic food, what sort of thing do you mean? 249 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,440 That's not vinegar crisps or she's not talking about coffee, right? 250 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,440 That could not possibly be one of our never ever coffee. 251 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,440 Yeah, coffee is one. Yeah. 252 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:53,440 And if you're sipping it as well. So, I mean, if you can down your coffee. 253 00:17:53,440 --> 00:18:00,440 I just got to change the IV coffee and use a straw, a metal straw. I don't know. 254 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,440 I mean, do you do that? So is the straw thing for real? 255 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,440 Yeah, I had a colleague who did it. Yeah. 256 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:12,440 Straw thing. Straw is good. The reason for that is it doesn't go all over the teeth. Ideally, it just goes straight. 257 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:18,440 Really enjoying my coffee. But I feel like it would take the enjoyment out of it, though. 258 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,440 Of course it does. So it's balanced. 259 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:27,440 So if you're having 10 cups of coffee a day, maybe you want to knock that down for a few reasons, right? 260 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,440 Amanda, you know how much I love Little Farms? 261 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,440 Well, guess what? 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So through your genetics, you will get your salivary composition, so basically the balance of what's in the saliva. 279 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:23,440 The saliva is very important because it sets the pH of the mouth, the acid-alkaline balance. 280 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:29,440 We want it to be more neutral and now we know if it's more acidic, you're going to be more prone to dental decay. 281 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:40,440 Okay, so that's one reason. With regard to genetics, the strength of the enamel as well, the quality of the enamel can come through genetics and then your oral facial structures. 282 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:48,440 So the way that your bone develops. So Amanda Jasmine, you both have very different facial shapes. I also do as well. We all do, right? 283 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:59,440 And an element of that is what have we inherited? What's run down our line and what have we inherited and how are our jaws growing and are they shaped and are we mouth breathing? 284 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,440 So then the diet piece is also very important and there's epigenetics. You know about epigenetics. 285 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:12,440 We can switch these genes on and off through lifestyle factors, nutrition and then toxins in the environment as well. 286 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:20,440 So going back to fillings, what are your thoughts on amalgam fillings and are there any other options available to people who might need them? 287 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:31,440 Absolutely. So they're totally different materials. Your amalgam fillings contain 50% mercury and a component of copper, zinc, silver, essentially. 288 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:38,440 So when you type into the WHO mercury, it's one of the most hazardous substances. 289 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:43,440 Oh God, I'm just thinking, what did I do? And a health concern. 290 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,440 Okay. And it's in our mouths. It's in a lot of people's mouths and I see this all of the time. 291 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:57,440 So history on mercury fillings, amalgam fillings have been used since the 1800s and they're a very cost effective, cheap filling material and they last. 292 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:03,440 You will see these in people's mouths for ever. I see them in people's mouths for a very long time. 293 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:10,440 But yeah, we have this aspect of it being not such a safe material. I don't know if you've heard of Alice in Wonderland. 294 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,440 Yes, of course. The Mad Hatter. 295 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:17,440 The Mad Hatter. So if you punch this into your search engine, Mad Hatter disease, it's a real disease. 296 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:28,440 If you look at all the qualities of the Mad Hatter bouncing around tremors, Parkinson's, whatever's going on, not the most stable individual at all. 297 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:35,440 They're all symptoms of mercury poisoning. Now, I'm not saying that if you've got mercury fillings in your mouth, you're going to have mercury poisoning, 298 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,440 but you may have elevated mercury in your system. And I do see this with my patients. 299 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:46,440 They go and have heavy metal hair tester and blood tests, urine tests, and they find higher levels of mercury. 300 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:52,440 And this can link back to other issues in the body as well. So your other options are dental composites. 301 00:22:52,440 --> 00:23:00,440 These are a direct filling material that are put straight into the tooth or the most biocompatible material we have is ceramic. 302 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:07,440 Oh, OK. OK, so ceramics are indirect filling materials, meaning a preparation is made in the tooth. 303 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,440 So it's shaped. Essentially, we do a digital scan, which is not radiation, or we take a mold. 304 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:18,440 We send it to a laboratory and they make a customized piece of ceramic, which is inserted into the tooth. 305 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,440 Wow. Yeah. And now is there a cracking risk with that? Because when I hear ceramic, I think like, hmm. 306 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,440 Yeah, there is. I mean, with anything we do in dentistry, there's a risk it's not going to work. 307 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,440 And with ceramic, yes, there is a cracking risk, but it's also the most hard. 308 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,440 It's also the hardest substance we have available. If it's done correctly, it shouldn't crack. Yeah. 309 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:42,440 So we've spoken about toothpaste, we've spoken about mouthwash. What about flossing? 310 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:48,440 Now, is that something that we should all be doing, maybe not be doing? What's your thoughts on flossing? 311 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:54,440 So interdental brushing is really important. So flossing is under the bracket of cleaning in between the teeth. 312 00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:02,440 So you can use floss, you can use interdental brushes, you can use water jets just to get around the gum edges and in between the teeth. 313 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,440 Yeah. My dad's a water jet guy. He travels with it. He literally travels with his water jet. 314 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:14,440 It's so easy. It's easy. I feel like, you know, you just spray it, it comes out and it's so weird because I'll brush my teeth first and then I'll use the water jet. 315 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,440 And you still see bits of food coming out. Oh, like had I just brushed. Yeah. That would have still been there. 316 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,440 I love it. You can see, right? I'm sure there's like plenty of stuff you can't see. Yeah, exactly. 317 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:29,440 And just think about those inter proximal areas as parts in between the teeth. We can't see what's lurking in between those areas. 318 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:36,440 That is an excellent place for microbes, bacteria to live and grow and cause dental decaying cavities. 319 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:42,440 So I think it's essential. We do want to think about what our floss is made of and the coatings on our floss as well. 320 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,440 So that's something I also urge individuals to research. What about teeth whitening? 321 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,440 Now that seems to be, you know, like a big trend, like everyone wants to have bright, beautiful white teeth. 322 00:24:52,440 --> 00:25:01,440 Is there a, I guess, a healthy or non-chemically way of doing this? 323 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:07,440 So typically what's used in tooth whitening is carbamide peroxide or another whitening or bleaching agent. 324 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:13,440 You can try oil pulling. So this is where you take some extra virgin organic coconut oil. 325 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,440 You put it in your mouth, a teaspoon, you swish it around for 20 minutes. 326 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:25,440 And what it does is it pulls out, it draws out all of that staining, the bacteria. 327 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,440 It's a great way to support the microbiome and the mouth generally. 328 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,440 Gum disease, preventing cavities. And there is evidence for this. There are a lot of papers that have been written. 329 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:42,440 It's an ancient Ayurvedic practice. When you're spitting it out, you spit it into the bin as opposed to the sink because it will clog the sink. 330 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,440 So that's something to note. But you can try that. I don't see the most amazing results, 331 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:52,440 but some patients do report improvement in the shade, the whiteness of the teeth essentially. 332 00:25:52,440 --> 00:26:02,440 I have tried it. I have my 20 minutes. No, I did five. No, sorry. But no, seriously, you see this jaw. 333 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:09,440 I can tell you, right. It was painful because you're just like, okay, now I'm feeling a bit sick. My jaw is hurting. 334 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:16,440 So in the absence of oil pulling, for those of us who may not have patients, what are the options? 335 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,440 Yeah, I haven't seen anything that's really okay. Okay. Zoom bleaching. 336 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:26,440 Yeah. So, I mean, you've got your conventional. Yeah. Yeah. So it's zoom whitening or you can get take home trays. 337 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,440 So we take some molds of the teeth. We send them to the lab. They're like a little gum guard for the bottom and for the top. 338 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,440 And then you fill it up with the whining agent. You do get really good results from that. Yeah. From I've seen. 339 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,440 But it's bleach. So you have to weigh up the pros and cons of how you feel about that as an individual. 340 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,440 Because the zoom bleaching I thought was just light. I've not done it. Oh, that UV. No. 341 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,440 So it's not just like there's a whitening agent that's put on the teeth and then they blast you with the light. 342 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:58,440 See, I have not done. Yeah. I did contemplate teeth whitening before, but then I realized I'd have to drink coffee through a straw and not eat Indian food. 343 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:06,440 And I was like, I love my coffee. I love my Indian food. I don't know if white teeth are worth it. 344 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:12,440 Right. Absolutely. It's so true. Yeah. Yeah. 345 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:19,440 It's been amazing having you here and sort of sharing your input on holistic and biological dentistry. 346 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:26,440 But before we go, Dr. Serinda, we do want to ask you one final question. And that is what's your 40s formula? 347 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:37,440 What advice or tips would you like to share with our audience about how they can, I guess, optimize their oral health in this decade or even with their kids and their family? 348 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,440 Yeah, absolutely. So are you asking specifically in the 40s? By the way, you know, I'm not in my 40s. 349 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,440 I know. I know. I was like, do I need to? 350 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,440 Two of our three guests today are not in their 40s. And in fact, I think Theresa might be in her 50s. 351 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:58,440 So I think we've actually not met all three people. But our listeners are in their 40s. Yeah, exactly. 352 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,440 So are you specifically in, I've got a lot for women in their 40s. Yeah. Let's go with that first. 353 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,440 Yeah. OK. So menopause in 40s. Yeah. 354 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:25,440 I mean, it's a very, you know. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. OK. So as we as we grow and we kind of come into the perimenopause menopause phase of life, as we know, our hormones decrease. 355 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,440 OK. Estrogen and progesterone. Then you get some oral health consequences as well. 356 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:39,440 Not everybody, but typically we get less salivary flow inside the mouth. So the mouth is drier. We get a more disrupted or a microbiome. 357 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:46,440 And we're more prone to dental decay and to dental disease. So I would definitely say hydration is essential. 358 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:59,440 Healthy fats are essential. And there are some reports that suggest chewing a xylitol chewing gum is very helpful for stimulating salivary flow. 359 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,440 Firstly, and also xylitol can be antibacterial. 360 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,440 There is a note to say it can disrupt the gut a little bit. So you want to have it in small quantities. 361 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,440 But that is something that can be encouraged to stimulate salivary flow. 362 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:18,440 The other aspect is as we reach this period in life, we can be more prone to osteoporosis. 363 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:26,440 So bone loss. So that can show up as gum disease, shaky teeth and loss of the jaw structure. 364 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:32,440 Why that happens? It can happen. It can happen like the bone. Right. So we're losing bone. 365 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:38,440 There are actually appliances, oral appliances that can be worn to encourage bone growth inside the mouth. 366 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,440 I don't know if you've read James Nestor's book, Breath. Have you heard of it? I've not read it yet. 367 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,440 There's an appliance called the homeoblock that can help to encourage bone growth. 368 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:55,440 But overall, what I would say is everything that we do for everything, essentially good nutrition, good sleep and rest. 369 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,440 Mouth tape if your mouth is dry and potentially chewing a xylitol. Chewing them can also help. 370 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,440 So it's the act of chewing, I guess. So like a xylitol lollipop wouldn't be sufficient. 371 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:13,440 And again, if you're if you're purchasing some of these products, you want to see what else is in it. 372 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,440 You don't want to have loads of additives in there. And your mouth is a very sensitive place. 373 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,440 It's going to go straight into the system. But yeah, find your way with that. 374 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,440 It's funny that you mentioned the dry mouth thing, by the way, for women that are going through menopause. 375 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,440 Because I just had a client last week come in. She's 61, well past menopause, came in with C. organs. 376 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:37,440 And I've never had a client present with that. It's an autoimmune disease that causes eye basically dryness everywhere. 377 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440 Let's just put it that way. Dryness from your eyeballs all the way down. 378 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,440 And it's funny, some of the strategies you just mentioned are exactly what and obviously working on her autoimmunity problem as well. 379 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,440 I mean, there's so we're working through some AIP and all that. 380 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:56,440 But the point is, you know, the dryness thing is persistent and it's not just the dryness we all think about with menopause. 381 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,440 No, it can be quite intense and burning mouth as well. This is something that people experience. 382 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,440 So, yeah. Wow. 383 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,440 Let's think about lots to sort of take care of. 384 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:16,440 But essentially, your diet, your exercise, your sleep, which I guess is the formula formula always will be. 385 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,440 Thank you so much, Dr. Serinda. It's been absolutely fabulous having you here. Thank you. 386 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:47,440 Thank you so much for having me. It's been wonderful. Our pleasure. 387 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:57,440 He's a 25 year old unmarried Singaporean guy listening to the ramblings of 12 older women on everything from menopause to weightlifting to sex. 388 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,440 So, Paul, what's your thoughts on today's conversation? 389 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,440 Teeth whitening, flossing, brushing of teeth and even the choice of toothpaste. 390 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,440 These are all things which we do on a pretty much day to day basis. 391 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:16,440 But we often skim through it as if it's not like a daily ritual or self cleaning care as well. 392 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,440 And of course, one thing I've probably learned is the process of oil pulling. 393 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,440 You know, sort of using an olive oil, swirling in your mouth and in order to get a nice white teeth. 394 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,440 So, I'm definitely going to try it. 395 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,440 Guys, you know how much we love coffee. And if you want to share some love, you know you can get us one. 396 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:44,440 Just visit buymeacoffee.com slash the 40s formula. Cheers. 397 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:52,440 Before we go, please remember to hit subscribe and take a moment to support the 40s formula by leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform. 398 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,440 Your reviews will help us to reach more people and allow us to continue to bring valuable content. 399 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,440 It should only take a moment and it's a free way for you to support the show. 400 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:06,440 You can also stay updated with the 40s formula by following us on Instagram at the 40s formula. 401 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,440 All one word. We share behind the scenes insights, episode updates and much more. 402 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,440 So please be sure to hit that follow button. We appreciate your time and support. 403 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:21,440 Thank you for being part of this community and we'll be back next week for more empowering conversations with inspiring guests. 404 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:48,440 Bye. 405 00:33:51,440 --> 00:34:07,440 That's intense as well. Vaginal eyes like all of it. 406 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,440 That's really intense. It can be very, I mean, I haven't experienced it, but very uncomfortable. 407 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:17,440 I mean, she's really, really suffering from it. And this is someone who's like a previous client of mine who never had any issues like this before. 408 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,440 How do you, how would you manage this? 409 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,440 Well, we're working. So we're going to put her on the AIP, that autoimmune protocol, right? 410 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,440 That's super strict. Super strict, but temporary. Right. 411 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,440 You know, so it's one of these where we're going to see if we can eliminate some of the autoimmune triggers. 412 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,440 And then she is on just some oral rehydration drops from her doctor. So she's going to have that. 413 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,440 So we're going to see if AIP can start to reduce symptoms. 414 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,440 Wouldn't carnivore be appropriate in this situation? 415 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,440 Funny that you mentioned it because yeah, that's, I mean, that's the ultimate elimination diet. 416 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,440 Correct. Yeah, correct. And so it basically is carnivore for all. 417 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,440 Yeah. But you don't change carnivore. 418 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,440 I'm not too dissimilar. 419 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,440 So what do you do with that vegan or vegetarian? 420 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,440 Great. I get, I have never had a vegan or vegetarian Sjorgens suffer yet. 421 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:04,440 But yeah, it would be tricky. I mean, it would be, it would be, it's one of these where you'd have to be like the lesser of two evils, right? 422 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,440 Where it's like they obviously couldn't do a strict AIP because they had nothing to eat. 423 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,440 Yeah. Right. 424 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,440 But then I guess you would find out what is their reason for being having that, you know, like if they turn around and said, oh, we did it for health or wellness reasons. 425 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,440 Well, actually it's not supporting your health. Yeah, exactly. 426 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:49,440 But it's always definitely harder when it's like religious or other things.