1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,840 Again, you can always come wipe a butt at my house. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,040 I mean, like if you're aching for it, I got it for you. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,040 Oh my god, I do love babies. 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,920 I'm like, oh my god, I could have definitely had more babies. 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,760 But my husband was like, no. 6 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,960 He gave me a deadline, actually. 7 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,800 He was like, if you're not pregnant by Christmas, 8 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,920 there's no third child. 9 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:16,800 And I was like, OK. 10 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,240 He's got a third child. 11 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:20,640 Get upstairs, brother. 12 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:21,440 Let's do this. 13 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:37,920 Yeah. 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,080 Hey, hey, and welcome to the 40s Formula, 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,600 your go-to place for insightful discussions on navigating the 40s 16 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,440 and thriving in this transformative decade. 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,080 We're your hosts, Jasmine and Amanda, two women that are passionate about 18 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,320 exploring the challenges and adventures that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead. 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,680 Chris Edwards is a serial entrepreneur, having started her first business in 2008 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,600 at 28 years of age, the lifestyle media platform HoneyCommerce, 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,960 including parenting platform HoneyKids Asia, which is now the go-to lifestyle resource for locals, 22 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:22,400 expats, and tourists across Singapore, Hong Kong, and Bali, with over one million unique 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,560 readers across Southeast Asia every month. 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,360 Chris started coaching entrepreneurs and from this experience saw the need for a community 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,120 of conscious entrepreneurs. 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:36,960 So in 2022, she created Launchpad, designed to help small businesses thrive through community, 27 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:38,560 peer mentoring, and coaching. 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,880 Launchpad today has over 450 members from six countries, 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,960 meaning that Chris now runs four companies across four countries. 30 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:51,840 She also hosts a podcast called Good Business, where she interviews impact-led founders. 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,960 And she splits her time between Asia and Byron Bay, Australia, 32 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,240 where she lives with her husband and three gorgeous but wild kids. 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:05,200 So if you ask me what I want to be when I grow up, my short answer is today's guest, Chris Edwards. 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,400 Chris is a multi-hyphenate entrepreneur, founder, and podcast host, and mom of three kids, 35 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,600 who still finds time to be passionate about making authentic, 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,280 personal, and professional connections. 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,000 Welcome, Chris. 38 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,200 Oh, thank you, Amanda. 39 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,120 What a beautiful intro. 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,400 And right back at you. 41 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,920 I have so much admiration. 42 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:22,800 So yeah. 43 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,640 Well, we are so, so happy to have you here. 44 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:26,960 As you know, we've been waiting a long time for this wonderful guest. 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:27,440 We have. 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,920 And Jasmine, I know your personal story, right? 47 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:33,920 We are part of your networking group, Launchpad, the kindest community on the internet. 48 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,320 But our listeners that might not know as much about you, 49 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,600 can you tell us a little bit about your humble beginnings as a mompreneur 50 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,440 and how that got you to where you are today? 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,480 Yeah, sure. 52 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:43,520 Oh, where to start. 53 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:45,120 Okay. 54 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:51,840 So I moved to Singapore when I was 27, and I ended up in a job I hated. 55 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:58,000 And yeah, I actually just had some friends who approached me and said, 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,400 do you want to kind of join us in this startup? 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,720 We're building, we call it media platforms or websites. 58 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,440 And I was like, well, look, I'm really, really hating this role. 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,360 So I will go and do it. 60 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,120 And it was kind of very high risk. 61 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,680 And it was at a time when, you know, I think smartphones had only just come out. 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,200 Facebook had only just been launched in the US. 63 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,600 It was really early internet days. 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,040 Are you okay giving us the year? 65 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:25,520 Yeah, yeah. 66 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,160 Yeah, did I not give you the year? 67 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,240 That was 2007. 68 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:30,480 Wow. 69 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Okay. 70 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:31,520 Yeah. 71 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,120 So it was very early on. 72 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,200 Anyway, so I joined them and we collectively came up with the idea 73 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:45,120 of Honeycomers, but in the first year, I fell pregnant and my three business partners 74 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,760 all left the business for different reasons. 75 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,680 So one went and did Chinese medicine, went off to study. 76 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,800 One went to go and become a management consultant. 77 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,240 And another friend of mine who I roped into the business, 78 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,840 we were just not working well together. 79 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,280 So she left as well. 80 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,760 So I was there with this new business that was quite unfounded and a new baby. 81 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:13,200 And I just loved what I was doing because I was writing the content and very early on also 82 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:18,560 selling small, small ads to people that have now actually become friends. 83 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,440 My very early advertisers, they really took a leap of faith. 84 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,760 And yeah, so but what Honeycomers is I really love. 85 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:33,920 It was really, it aligns so well with who I am in that I just, I love sharing, 86 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,840 I suppose, the insider tips and the good news and the, you know, 87 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:40,720 oh, I'm just constantly that's who I am, you know? 88 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,200 So it was so aligned and I really enjoyed the creative element. 89 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,160 And so I just kept at it, but it was a very, very slow burn for the first. 90 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,600 Yeah, I think five or six years of the growth rate was literally. 91 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,400 I remember seeing that graph at the event, you know, just a straight line for a long time. 92 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,200 Really straight line, but it was growing. 93 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:08,240 It was growing and I had lots of positive feedback from people and even advertisers 94 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,840 coming on board just saying, I love it. 95 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:13,920 And look, I suppose it's, you know, similar to what you guys are doing at the 40s formula. 96 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,160 You kind of love it so much yourself. 97 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,560 And you know, you don't really worry too much about the maths to start with. 98 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:25,440 You just know that it's a gut feeling that it feels good. 99 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,240 I enjoy doing it and I'm getting positive feedback. 100 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,960 So yeah, I just kept at it. 101 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:37,040 And yeah, I suppose, you know, the real joy or trick, I don't know whether tricks 102 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:43,440 the right word, but was that I took a bet on the internet early on and I remember it being a bet. 103 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,640 I remember it being a gamble. 104 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,560 I remember having a walks around Botanical Gardens with a girlfriend. 105 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,120 We're pushing our babies and strollers and I'm like, are you sure people are going to 106 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,520 use websites instead of using magazines? 107 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,480 Like that was the bet. 108 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:56,980 Wow. 109 00:05:56,980 --> 00:06:00,580 Think of how incredible that question sounds today. 110 00:06:00,580 --> 00:06:01,860 Yeah, yeah. 111 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:03,860 Yeah, like I'm not sure this is a thing. 112 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:06,020 And she's like, no, no, I think it's a solid bet. 113 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:06,580 Keep going. 114 00:06:06,580 --> 00:06:07,300 Wow. 115 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:07,940 Good girlfriend. 116 00:06:07,940 --> 00:06:11,460 Yeah, I still, I still credit. 117 00:06:11,460 --> 00:06:12,740 I still remind her about that. 118 00:06:12,740 --> 00:06:14,020 We're still very good mates. 119 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:14,660 And I, yeah. 120 00:06:14,660 --> 00:06:20,420 So she needs stock tips for Amanda. 121 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:21,380 You're going to love this. 122 00:06:21,380 --> 00:06:26,020 I just found out that the meat club have added a whole new range of protein snacks and supplements 123 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:26,580 to their website. 124 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:27,220 Wait, what? 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So I think you get better at realizing that and my husband is always like, oh, we're on a high, look out, it's coming down, you know? 155 00:08:21,220 --> 00:08:24,740 So he probably finds the roller coaster more annoying than me. 156 00:08:24,740 --> 00:08:25,940 Your husband is my dad. 157 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:28,260 I know where it's like, oh, but what's on the other side? 158 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:29,060 Thanks, dad. 159 00:08:30,420 --> 00:08:31,380 Yeah, totally. 160 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:32,740 But, oh, sorry. 161 00:08:32,740 --> 00:08:41,380 I was going to say, so with honeycomers, obviously it's been 16 years, what has been the hardest sort of periods that you've been through and how did you see yourself come out of those? 162 00:08:42,580 --> 00:08:43,460 Yeah, good question. 163 00:08:44,660 --> 00:08:48,820 So I think there's been a couple of really challenging times. 164 00:08:48,820 --> 00:09:04,660 I think the first one was, I think most businesses get to a stage where, you know, the numbers were okay, but just my experience was really a bit of a roadblock. 165 00:09:05,380 --> 00:09:08,580 And then on top of that, you know, I have three kids. 166 00:09:08,580 --> 00:09:13,940 And so in my first, yes, what was it, seven years of running the business, I had three babies, right? 167 00:09:13,940 --> 00:09:25,940 So it's just like, it was a lot, and I ended up hiring a general manager and stepping out of the business for, and really stepping out for three or four years, which was delightful. 168 00:09:26,740 --> 00:09:29,700 But the business was at a stage where we could afford a general manager. 169 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:31,300 Mind you, it was a big risk. 170 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:33,540 Like, I actually just looked it up the other day. 171 00:09:33,540 --> 00:09:35,460 His salary was $180,000. 172 00:09:35,460 --> 00:09:37,620 Like, it was not a small amount of money. 173 00:09:38,180 --> 00:09:43,540 And I remember thinking, I'm not sure if this is the right decision or if we can afford this. 174 00:09:43,540 --> 00:09:47,380 But if they're good, then the business should be able to continue to grow. 175 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:51,780 And often you have to take those little leaps of faith. 176 00:09:53,060 --> 00:10:05,220 One thing that I now do is I try and take myself almost like I visualise myself stepping out of the company and being an investor. 177 00:10:05,220 --> 00:10:15,860 So trying to give myself some distance from the decision and saying, look, if I was an investor, would I invest $100,000 in this business right now? 178 00:10:15,860 --> 00:10:19,220 And you would look at the data and you would go, actually, yeah, I would. 179 00:10:20,180 --> 00:10:34,420 But I think sometimes when it's our decisions and it's about us personally and all the fear and limiting beliefs and all the things that hold you back, you kind of need to put that to a side and just take a step. 180 00:10:34,420 --> 00:10:37,300 But yes, so that was one of the big challenges I had. 181 00:10:38,180 --> 00:10:39,780 And then the other big one was COVID. 182 00:10:39,780 --> 00:10:42,900 And like, COVID was wild. 183 00:10:44,020 --> 00:10:45,780 What changed on the HoneyCommerce side? 184 00:10:45,780 --> 00:10:58,100 Right. Because, you know, when I'm thinking about it, it's like, wow, this is a business that's COVID proof because it's all online and it can still provide value even if the content, even if there's not new restaurant openings, let's say, or whatever. 185 00:10:58,100 --> 00:10:59,220 How did you guys pivot? 186 00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:00,020 What were the challenges? 187 00:11:00,020 --> 00:11:12,980 Yeah, so basically, our revenues just stopped because even if you people had booked a contract with us, they were like, oh, sorry, we can't run it because we can't be open. 188 00:11:12,980 --> 00:11:17,620 So the restaurants, hotels, travel, everyone was like, well, no one can come to my shop. 189 00:11:17,620 --> 00:11:21,380 Or so actually, I don't need you to promote me this month. 190 00:11:21,380 --> 00:11:23,620 In fact, I might not need you to promote me for six months. 191 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:27,620 So can I just put all basically all advertising contracts went on hold. 192 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:33,460 So our payroll at that time was about 150,000 a month. 193 00:11:33,460 --> 00:11:38,100 And our revenues dropped 60% from one month to the next. 194 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:41,140 So yeah, our revenues were below the payroll number. 195 00:11:41,140 --> 00:11:41,940 For how many months? 196 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:45,300 Oh, that's a good question. 197 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:52,820 Probably there was one there was one month where it hit 60,000 in bookings. 198 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:56,820 But I'd say about five or six months, we weren't covering the payroll. 199 00:11:56,820 --> 00:12:02,340 But, you know, on top of that, I was homeschooling my three kids. 200 00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:03,060 Oh, God. 201 00:12:03,060 --> 00:12:07,460 And they're in kindergarten, year three and year six, like kindergarten, every 10 minutes. 202 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:08,340 It's like, I'm done. 203 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:08,900 What's next? 204 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:10,660 Oh, yeah, I know that. 205 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:13,300 I had kids at that age at that point as well. 206 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:16,180 Amanda, I'm going to be honest with you. 207 00:12:16,180 --> 00:12:18,980 Sometimes my kids just don't poop. 208 00:12:18,980 --> 00:12:22,420 For real, I actually hear you with two little ones and a baby. 209 00:12:22,420 --> 00:12:25,380 The poop situation around our house is very, very real. 210 00:12:25,380 --> 00:12:30,660 But since we started taking probiotic plus base from Akizzi Wellness, it's actually gotten a lot better. 211 00:12:30,660 --> 00:12:38,900 Probiotic plus base is such an easy way to get 10 probiotic species and a good hit of prebiotic fiber into your entire family's diet. 212 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:43,700 And you can sprinkle it on yogurt, mix it into cereals and even combine it into infant milk products. 213 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:48,500 Yeah, when my son transitioned on a formula and had some weird tummy troubles, it was a lifesaver. 214 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:53,140 And to be honest, for me, I don't mind taking a spoonful of it right into my mouth when I'm pressed for time. 215 00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:54,420 We all love a quick fix. 216 00:12:54,420 --> 00:12:56,500 We all love a quick fix that actually works, right? 217 00:12:56,500 --> 00:13:04,900 That's why we're offering our lucky Singapore listeners 15% off and free shipping all Akizzi products with code 40s on akizziwellness.com. 218 00:13:04,900 --> 00:13:12,500 That's akizziwellness, A-K-E-S-I wellness.com to get a great deal on an easy gut health solution for the whole family. 219 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:13,860 And now back to the show. 220 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:16,100 Oh, man. 221 00:13:16,100 --> 00:13:22,020 On top of that, my husband was working, but it wasn't going super well. 222 00:13:22,020 --> 00:13:26,420 And so we made the decision the very month that it all fell off a cliff. 223 00:13:26,420 --> 00:13:30,740 We made the decision that he would stop working and I would be the sole breadwinner. 224 00:13:30,740 --> 00:13:33,060 So I was just like, oh, my God, it's just a lot. 225 00:13:33,060 --> 00:13:34,180 It's just so much. 226 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:35,700 That's a lot of stress. 227 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:38,580 How did you how did you handle that decision? 228 00:13:38,580 --> 00:13:45,140 Like, you know, whether it was mentally or physically, did you do anything to help you deal with that? 229 00:13:45,140 --> 00:13:46,580 Yeah, I did, actually. 230 00:13:46,580 --> 00:13:55,780 I did because actually what had happened was I got into a really negative mindset and I'd not really experienced that before my life. 231 00:13:55,780 --> 00:14:04,020 But I just it was like I would have one bad thought about what could go wrong and then I would have another bad thought and another bad thought. 232 00:14:04,020 --> 00:14:08,180 I was like kind of like, but what if that shitty thing happened and what if that shitty thing? 233 00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:12,500 And so it was just like this spiral of negativity where all I could see was doom. 234 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:20,340 And yeah, I reached out to a girlfriend and said, I really need some business coaching support here. 235 00:14:20,340 --> 00:14:20,980 Yeah. 236 00:14:20,980 --> 00:14:23,220 And I thought I'd hire a business coach. 237 00:14:23,220 --> 00:14:29,540 But actually, what she recommended I do is go and do a EFT tapping session. 238 00:14:29,540 --> 00:14:30,820 Interesting. 239 00:14:30,820 --> 00:14:32,980 Yeah, I don't know if you guys have tried EFT. 240 00:14:32,980 --> 00:14:34,260 I've not tried, but tell us more. 241 00:14:34,260 --> 00:14:44,340 Yeah, so EFT is emotional frequency technique and it is tapping on parts of your body that are aligned with the Chinese meridian lines. 242 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:49,780 And it's really an energy healing mindset technique, but done with the right coach. 243 00:14:50,420 --> 00:14:51,540 For me, it was phenomenal. 244 00:14:51,540 --> 00:14:56,100 I did one session and I was like, OK. 245 00:14:56,100 --> 00:15:03,700 I mean, I took the weekend off and had a really beautiful weekend in nature, but I came back on Monday morning and went, I've got this. 246 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:05,300 It was incredible. 247 00:15:06,020 --> 00:15:07,460 But yeah, I need details of you. 248 00:15:08,580 --> 00:15:10,900 Well, actually, she has presented at Launchpad. 249 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:13,860 So she's got a master class in the recordings. 250 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:14,740 Yeah, in the files. 251 00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:15,300 I'll send it to you. 252 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:17,300 But not to be totally ignorant. 253 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:24,660 Is this an ongoing technique that you would use like breathwork and meditation or is this a treatment that you go through like Reiki or something like that? 254 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:26,500 Yeah, I think it's more of a treatment. 255 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:27,860 Well, it was a treatment for me. 256 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:29,300 I don't use it ongoing. 257 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:32,260 But I think you can use it ongoing. 258 00:15:32,260 --> 00:15:33,700 So I think it's a lot like Reiki. 259 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:34,660 That's so cool. 260 00:15:34,660 --> 00:15:36,740 Again, you're the first person I know that's gone through it. 261 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:39,780 It just it just comes up as a topic that, you know, it's like, oh, have you tried? 262 00:15:39,780 --> 00:15:40,500 You have to. 263 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:41,620 But that's really cool. 264 00:15:42,340 --> 00:15:45,300 Yeah, I'm 100% into all the woo woo. 265 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:45,940 Oh, love it. 266 00:15:45,940 --> 00:15:46,420 Love it. 267 00:15:46,420 --> 00:15:48,900 You know, we recently had Danny on our podcast. 268 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:49,780 I know. 269 00:15:49,780 --> 00:15:51,380 I listened to Danny in sixth grade. 270 00:15:51,380 --> 00:15:51,940 She's the best. 271 00:15:51,940 --> 00:15:52,900 The queen of the woo woo. 272 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:54,500 But again, de-wooing it. 273 00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:55,780 Yes, exactly. 274 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:57,220 Which is awesome. 275 00:15:57,220 --> 00:15:57,540 All right. 276 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:02,820 So again, so you get through kind of this like really stressful period where family is demanding, 277 00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:05,220 business is changing, husband is leaving job. 278 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:07,860 What did you find on the other side? 279 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:09,940 Like, when did it all settle? 280 00:16:09,940 --> 00:16:11,700 Yeah, that's a good question. 281 00:16:11,700 --> 00:16:21,140 So I think like in hindsight, I'm I'm really happy to have had that experience because, 282 00:16:21,860 --> 00:16:24,260 you know, Launchpad was a covid baby. 283 00:16:24,260 --> 00:16:29,700 So the first thing I did was I was like, OK, I'm going to I'm going to keep honeycomers as it is. 284 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:35,940 But to protect our family from the next pandemic, I'm going to diversify our revenues. 285 00:16:35,940 --> 00:16:39,140 And so I created a course called Make It Media. 286 00:16:39,140 --> 00:16:41,380 And I yeah, I just put it out. 287 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:42,660 I mean, I had honeycomers. 288 00:16:42,660 --> 00:16:45,940 I was thinking, what can I do to leverage honeycomers? 289 00:16:45,940 --> 00:16:51,460 And I put this course out and I had 10 people sign up and I taught 10 people how to create a 290 00:16:51,460 --> 00:16:57,060 media business. And I really enjoyed that process because it actually made me look really 291 00:16:57,060 --> 00:17:00,100 deeply into my own business and actually clean up my own house. 292 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:00,980 You know, yes. 293 00:17:00,980 --> 00:17:02,020 So that was great. 294 00:17:03,060 --> 00:17:06,340 And then I thought I don't want to run this again, even though I built it all. 295 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:10,500 But from that idea came the idea of Launchpad. 296 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:17,780 And so I really believe that, yeah, I suppose with the challenges that you get in life, 297 00:17:17,780 --> 00:17:24,020 that if you can, I suppose, rise to the challenge, not to sound too coy, but 298 00:17:25,140 --> 00:17:30,100 yeah, there's just opportunity in being challenged and trying new things. 299 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:33,860 So yeah, and Launchpad is such a joy. 300 00:17:33,860 --> 00:17:39,940 Like I really I didn't expect Launchpad to give me so much. 301 00:17:39,940 --> 00:17:45,140 Like I really was creating it as a business, but also as a way to help other entrepreneurs. 302 00:17:45,140 --> 00:17:50,660 But it's just I just it's such a joy in terms of the connection and the knowledge and the 303 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:58,660 I suppose it really forces you to go out and, you know, yeah, form new connections. 304 00:17:58,660 --> 00:17:59,940 And I'm a needy extrovert. 305 00:17:59,940 --> 00:18:01,540 So I'm like, oh my God, this is amazing. 306 00:18:01,540 --> 00:18:03,460 Yeah, you are the extrovert extrovert, by the way. 307 00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:04,500 And I love it. 308 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:06,100 But you know, you formed this connection. 309 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:06,420 Yeah. 310 00:18:06,420 --> 00:18:08,980 Honestly, this is how we met. 311 00:18:08,980 --> 00:18:12,580 Yes, we did not know each other until we were together in Launchpad. 312 00:18:12,580 --> 00:18:13,220 Yeah. 313 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:14,980 So this is, you know, this is, yeah. 314 00:18:14,980 --> 00:18:16,900 This is this is this is not a sponsored post. 315 00:18:17,780 --> 00:18:18,900 This is absolute truth. 316 00:18:18,900 --> 00:18:20,100 That's how we met each other. 317 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:21,460 So thank you for that. 318 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:24,820 And again, that just shows kind of the authenticity of your commitment to connections. 319 00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:25,060 Right. 320 00:18:26,020 --> 00:18:29,060 Hey, Amanda, you know how much I love clean home cooked food. 321 00:18:29,060 --> 00:18:31,940 There's just something about knowing exactly what goes into your meal. 322 00:18:31,940 --> 00:18:32,420 Right. 323 00:18:32,420 --> 00:18:32,660 Yeah. 324 00:18:32,660 --> 00:18:33,780 But let's also be real. 325 00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:36,740 Sometimes it's just not possible to cook at home with our busy schedules. 326 00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:37,460 I know. 327 00:18:37,460 --> 00:18:39,540 But that's why I've been loving Guzmine Gomez. 328 00:18:39,540 --> 00:18:41,860 They've taken fast food and they've made it healthy. 329 00:18:41,860 --> 00:18:47,220 You get fresh quality ingredients all cooked from scratch, no processed stuff, just real food. 330 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:48,580 Oh, I love that so much. 331 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:52,100 So even when I cannot cook at home, I don't have to compromise on eating clean. 332 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:52,580 Yep. 333 00:18:52,580 --> 00:18:58,500 And GYG offers everything from burritos, bowls and salads packed with fresh veggies, 334 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:02,580 lean meats and wholesome grains and no added preservatives or artificial flavors. 335 00:19:02,580 --> 00:19:04,820 And the best part for me is that it is fast. 336 00:19:04,820 --> 00:19:08,420 So you're not stuck waiting forever for a healthy meal when you're already in a rush. 337 00:19:08,420 --> 00:19:08,740 Yep. 338 00:19:08,740 --> 00:19:11,380 For me, I love that I can customize my own meal, too. 339 00:19:11,380 --> 00:19:14,180 I'll have a burrito bowl, no rice, double protein. 340 00:19:14,180 --> 00:19:14,980 Yes, please. 341 00:19:14,980 --> 00:19:19,220 Just head to your nearest GYG or order delivery with ease through their Instagram 342 00:19:19,220 --> 00:19:22,100 and social media platforms at no price markups. 343 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:26,580 Trust me, it is the perfect solution when you want something quick, healthy and delicious, 344 00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:28,740 because clean is the new healthy. 345 00:19:28,740 --> 00:19:30,020 Sounds like a win to me. 346 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:31,220 Now let's get back to the chat. 347 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:33,780 Oh, that's amazing. 348 00:19:33,780 --> 00:19:37,220 It's funny that you say that because thinking about connections in my own life, 349 00:19:37,220 --> 00:19:40,260 when is a time I felt the most disconnected? 350 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:42,820 And it was absolutely having newborns in the pandemic. 351 00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:46,500 It's like I had my connection to my baby and to my husband. 352 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:48,980 And again, to my lovely helper as well. 353 00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:51,700 And it's like, and we were this little unit against the world. 354 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:55,460 And it was so hard during that time to think about pivoting my business 355 00:19:55,460 --> 00:19:58,900 and to think about what was next, because at that time when we went into lockdown, 356 00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:02,820 I was still personal training in a gym, meaning me and a human being standing together. 357 00:20:02,820 --> 00:20:04,820 Well, obviously, pandemic shut it down. 358 00:20:04,820 --> 00:20:06,740 Had to pivot online coaching. 359 00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:07,300 Let's do it. 360 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:13,700 So how would you advise moms that are kind of in this isolated time of the newborn period, 361 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:17,540 specifically that whether it's just with their first kid or maybe back in the newborn stage 362 00:20:17,540 --> 00:20:21,700 with a toddler at home and thinking about what's next for them in the workforce? 363 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:25,620 How do you kind of advise us to get through that period of isolation? 364 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:30,740 Yeah, so I think the first thing is to address the isolation. 365 00:20:30,740 --> 00:20:36,420 So it's actually, if you think about it with a newborn, it's actually a really great time. 366 00:20:36,420 --> 00:20:40,500 Really great time to meet other moms because you're going through so much. 367 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:47,460 And like some of my dearest, dearest friends are the moms that I went through having babies with. 368 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:52,740 And they still, you know, they don't live where I live, but we still almost talk daily, you know, 369 00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:58,420 like that. So the time to connect is when you're going through hardship or through challenges 370 00:20:58,420 --> 00:21:00,740 and you find people who are in the same boat. 371 00:21:00,740 --> 00:21:07,300 So, you know, moving to Byron Bay, that's what I've done the last seven years. 372 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:10,260 That's taken a time to try and find your people. 373 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:12,020 It's very eclectic there. 374 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:17,380 And I have found just, you know, doing things like signing up and taking action. 375 00:21:17,380 --> 00:21:19,940 It could be a pottery course, could be a newborn course. 376 00:21:19,940 --> 00:21:22,660 It could be a parenting course or a play group. 377 00:21:22,660 --> 00:21:30,180 But just getting out there and then being authentic and real and vulnerable and just 378 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:33,860 like, you know, knowing that you're not going to be everyone's cup of tea, 379 00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:36,740 but you know, you got to kiss a few frogs. 380 00:21:36,740 --> 00:21:42,580 But I just think just being vulnerable and authentic, people love that, you know? 381 00:21:42,580 --> 00:21:45,300 So I think it's I think you need to flip the switch. 382 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:48,180 It's not a hard time to make connections. 383 00:21:48,180 --> 00:21:54,900 It's actually a really easy time because people are also lonely and isolated in the same boat. 384 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:58,500 And there's so much you need to learn and so much you can help each other with. 385 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:05,140 So, yeah, but then in terms of getting into the workforce, look, I think I think it's 386 00:22:05,860 --> 00:22:09,620 obviously harder for women full stop and harder for moms. 387 00:22:10,340 --> 00:22:13,460 And I think recognizing that is a big piece. 388 00:22:14,260 --> 00:22:21,700 But then I think also, you know, you do lose confidence when you've been out of the workforce. 389 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:24,500 So I think you need to do a lot of work on your mindset 390 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:30,260 and really just like recognize your limiting beliefs and working on that. 391 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:35,220 And then and really listening to your heart and your intuition. 392 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:41,460 But I think it's yeah, I talk a lot about self agency, but building this muscle of having an 393 00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:46,820 empowered state where you control your own future and you need to address things like limiting 394 00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:52,260 beliefs and you need to listen to your intuition and these these small little things you can do 395 00:22:52,260 --> 00:22:55,380 that really help that process. 396 00:22:55,380 --> 00:22:57,220 But it is super hard. 397 00:22:57,220 --> 00:23:02,660 And I also think, you know, that's one of the beautiful things about being in your 40s, right? 398 00:23:02,660 --> 00:23:09,140 Is, you know, when you're in your 30s or when you're like coming out of, I suppose, a younger 399 00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:16,580 state, you have a lot more overthinking or limiting beliefs or, you know, you definitely 400 00:23:16,580 --> 00:23:18,340 give a lot less fucks as you get older. 401 00:23:18,340 --> 00:23:22,500 Oh, none, zero fucks given over here. That's our theme. 402 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:25,620 That's why I think this podcast is really magical, right? 403 00:23:25,620 --> 00:23:28,100 Because you really do step into your power. 404 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:36,500 And and yeah, and I think women need to realize that what you do realize once you get to your 40s 405 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:40,900 that, oh my God, I wish I just didn't worry so much or I just overthink it or I just 406 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:42,740 listen to myself and trust my gut. 407 00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:43,940 So that would be my advice. 408 00:23:43,940 --> 00:23:44,580 Yeah, that is. 409 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:49,060 And I love that you use the word confidence, too, because I think, again, thinking about 410 00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:52,340 that immediate postpartum period, right, especially the older you are. 411 00:23:52,340 --> 00:23:53,620 Hello, old mom's shout out. 412 00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:54,120 Shout out. 413 00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:58,420 You know, you kind of are losing confidence in all sorts of ways, right? 414 00:23:58,420 --> 00:24:01,620 You're feeling unconfident as a parent because it's new. 415 00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:05,140 Your body has changed significantly and again, harder the older you get. 416 00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:09,300 And then, you know, you're professionally falling further behind or you perceive that you are. 417 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:14,260 And so reclaiming a sense of confidence is something that definitely can help by being 418 00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:15,060 around other moms. 419 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:18,020 You know, it's like it's like you realize like, hey, we're all still pretty good. 420 00:24:18,020 --> 00:24:18,520 Yeah. 421 00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:26,420 And at Honeycomers, I employ a lot of moms part time because I recognize that actually 422 00:24:26,420 --> 00:24:32,580 just having maturity and also, you know, they are the best at time management because they've 423 00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:33,380 got to get it done. 424 00:24:33,380 --> 00:24:38,900 Yeah, they got to leave, you know, but I just think there's so much wealth of value. 425 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:44,020 And I really say to all business owners in Singapore and Australia, like you need to 426 00:24:44,020 --> 00:24:49,140 think about tapping into moms that want to work part time, especially if you're a startup 427 00:24:49,140 --> 00:24:52,020 because you don't necessarily have to pay a full salary. 428 00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:53,460 So that works. 429 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:57,700 But this, I also find that people that get that opportunity because they're not that 430 00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:01,940 many around that they are, they love you for it and they will go the extra mile. 431 00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:06,660 So a shout out to anyone who's running a business and employ a part time mom. 432 00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:07,860 They are the best. 433 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:08,100 Yeah. 434 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:08,740 Cheap stars. 435 00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:10,980 Stars available on the cheap. 436 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:11,460 Yeah. 437 00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:12,820 But it's true. 438 00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:18,340 Great value, but also just having maturity in your company too is really helpful. 439 00:25:18,980 --> 00:25:21,140 How do you manage everything? 440 00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:23,380 Because obviously now you're running two successful businesses. 441 00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:25,540 You are a mom of three. 442 00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:26,740 You're living in Byron Bay. 443 00:25:26,740 --> 00:25:29,380 So you're not even in Singapore and your businesses are here. 444 00:25:29,380 --> 00:25:32,260 And actually, you know, they're in all over Asia. 445 00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:34,420 How do you find the time for all of it? 446 00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:37,220 Good question. 447 00:25:37,220 --> 00:25:39,940 I mean, my husband doesn't work. 448 00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:42,500 So when he stopped working, he stopped completely. 449 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,820 So he is captain of the family. 450 00:25:44,820 --> 00:25:46,020 Amazing. 451 00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:46,420 Yeah. 452 00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:48,340 I mean, I still do a little bit of admin. 453 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:54,100 I've got to say that I just like things done my way, but, you know, just driving the kids 454 00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:59,220 around to all the school things or sporting things is pretty hectic. 455 00:25:59,220 --> 00:26:01,540 So I definitely have that. 456 00:26:01,540 --> 00:26:02,740 I have a wife, right? 457 00:26:02,740 --> 00:26:07,380 So that is one really massive way I can do it. 458 00:26:07,380 --> 00:26:12,020 And then the other thing is my team, you know, is excellent. 459 00:26:12,020 --> 00:26:16,500 And I'm very, I'm very much like, I don't need to be involved in everything. 460 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:21,460 So I'm really happy when people, you know, make decisions and get stuff done. 461 00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:24,420 I'm also a big believer that done is better than perfect. 462 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:27,220 So I definitely am not a perfectionist. 463 00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:29,300 And so that helps. 464 00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:36,980 But yeah, I'm really trying to not work very much at the minute because my kids really need me. 465 00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:41,380 You know, so they're 15, just 10, 15, 13 and 10. 466 00:26:41,380 --> 00:26:45,060 And they've never needed me more than what they need me right now. 467 00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:50,660 You know, I've just had one diagnosed with autism. 468 00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:59,220 I've got one that's very anxious and I've got another guy who is just changing schools 469 00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:01,620 again after six months. 470 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:05,380 But I just, while I'm up here, actually, I just got a note from the school saying, 471 00:27:05,380 --> 00:27:07,460 he's just been really naughty in class. 472 00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:13,300 I can't help but just laugh a little bit because he was reading a book in his music lesson 473 00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:14,580 and he was told to stop reading. 474 00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:16,980 And he didn't. 475 00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:18,020 And he got called out. 476 00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:20,420 And then he got argumentative with the teacher, which is none of it's good. 477 00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:22,420 But then he's she wrote Nisima. 478 00:27:22,420 --> 00:27:27,460 He started to make a duck symbol with his hands. 479 00:27:27,460 --> 00:27:31,220 She was addressing him, which was not okay. 480 00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:31,940 Not okay. 481 00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:34,660 But I'm a little bit like, oh, it's a little bit funny. 482 00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:35,700 Also amazing. 483 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:39,460 Also, again, he's getting in trouble for reading. 484 00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:40,420 So, you know, I get it. 485 00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:42,820 It's reading music class, but it's just kind of funny. 486 00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:46,420 I mean, think about, you know, when I grew up in a public high school, a kid got arrested 487 00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:48,260 for beating another kid with a bag of locks. 488 00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:52,180 So, for example, reading a music class is just kind of cute. 489 00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:53,860 It's kind of okay. 490 00:27:53,860 --> 00:27:56,420 But also I taught him that symbol thing and I did that to him. 491 00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:03,060 So not my finest parenting moment, but I'm a little bit like ice skunk. 492 00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:06,420 And, you know, the school system is very rigid. 493 00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:07,700 I hope he never listens to this. 494 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,300 It's not okay to be rude to your teacher. 495 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:14,020 But yeah, so anyway, the kids are a lot at the minute, which I'm loving. 496 00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:17,300 I'm loving just being really there for them. 497 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,980 So I'm really trying hard not to work too much. 498 00:28:20,980 --> 00:28:22,340 Yeah, I know that's brilliant. 499 00:28:22,340 --> 00:28:23,700 And what about for yourself? 500 00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,060 How are you looking after yourself? 501 00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:27,300 I have lots of hobbies. 502 00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:34,820 So I really enjoy tennis and I've just taken up pottery massively this year. 503 00:28:34,820 --> 00:28:36,820 So I just bought a kiln. 504 00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:37,780 Wow. 505 00:28:37,780 --> 00:28:39,220 Is it like the ghost? 506 00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:40,820 Are you doing like the ghost vibe? 507 00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:42,820 Yes, very much. 508 00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:44,820 Get over here, Patrick. 509 00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:48,820 No, so mine is all hand building, so not on the wheel. 510 00:28:48,820 --> 00:28:51,300 But I am really loving it. 511 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:54,820 So it's very therapeutic and it's very creative. 512 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:58,820 And yeah, it's just something really away from a screen. 513 00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:06,340 And it's quite, I suppose, yeah, I think it's just an artistic expression, which I'm really enjoying. 514 00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:11,140 But then also, I've met these wonderful crew who we do pottery with and they're my people. 515 00:29:11,140 --> 00:29:12,100 And I'm like, okay. 516 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:14,340 You got pottery people, pottery pad coming soon. 517 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:18,340 Yeah, finish that connection, right? 518 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:22,020 Because also I spend so much time at home on my screen talking to people in Asia. 519 00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:26,020 So it's really nice to have something that's the real life connection. 520 00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:26,740 Yeah. 521 00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:30,740 Are you living that Byron Bay mom life, you know, that influencer life? 522 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:32,740 Is that accurate? 523 00:29:32,740 --> 00:29:41,540 No, no, but there is a set of influences there that I think that was it an Atlantic article or something. 524 00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:48,740 But yeah, it's pretty, there are, it is pretty wild that there are very influential people. 525 00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:50,740 I mean, like Chris Hemsworth's kids are right. 526 00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:52,740 There you go. 527 00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:54,740 Is he there? 528 00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:56,740 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 529 00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:58,740 I need to make it. 530 00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:00,740 Okay, we can't make this a Chris Hemsworth thing, but I have to get in here. 531 00:30:00,740 --> 00:30:02,740 Is he just like so hunkalicious? 532 00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:04,740 Is it beyond words? 533 00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:06,740 Is it beyond visual comprehension? 534 00:30:06,740 --> 00:30:08,740 He's my fave. 535 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:10,740 I think so. 536 00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:12,740 Yeah, no, he is attractive. 537 00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:14,740 He's huge. 538 00:30:14,740 --> 00:30:16,740 He's very tall. 539 00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:18,740 I mean, he stands out. 540 00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:22,740 But yeah, it's good to look handy around the. 541 00:30:22,740 --> 00:30:24,740 Thor, you're welcome in the 40s formula anytime. 542 00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:26,740 Anytime. 543 00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:28,740 You can accompany Chris next time if you'd like to. 544 00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:30,740 I think so. 545 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:32,740 I love that. 546 00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:34,740 And I think, you know, to switch gears just a little bit, right? 547 00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:44,740 So we've been doing so much talk about motherhood and career and all that stuff, but we have not kind of addressed the elephant in the room about being in our 40s, which is when the hormone shit goes down. 548 00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:52,740 Okay. And just when you first get those inklings of perimenopause and how that can wreak havoc on even your best laid plans, right? 549 00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:54,740 It's you know, I can I have not hit it yet. 550 00:30:54,740 --> 00:31:02,740 And Jasmine's the better one to speak to about this, but I can only liken it to pregnancy hormones where it's like your brain just turns a different way. 551 00:31:02,740 --> 00:31:07,740 Yeah, I don't remember pregnancy being as hard on my brain. 552 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:14,740 So I find brain fog is just the the biggest symptom I have with perimenopause. 553 00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:20,740 And I actually I have got a friend who was like, Chris, you are so deep in Perry. 554 00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:22,740 And I'm like, no, I don't think I am. 555 00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:32,740 And I think there's a bit of denial because no one wants to be recognized that you're getting older and that, you know, things are slowing down. 556 00:31:32,740 --> 00:31:39,740 But I had two car accidents and it was both in car parking lots where it was all my fault. 557 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:42,740 You know, you're getting super slow when you just bang into. 558 00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:51,740 Yeah. And literally it was so close in timing that when I had the car, when I did the first scrape, the car was pretty badly damaged. 559 00:31:51,740 --> 00:31:55,740 But I had to wait like four or five weeks to get it into the shop. 560 00:31:55,740 --> 00:31:57,740 So I had the second scrape at the same time. 561 00:31:57,740 --> 00:32:04,740 So, well, the good news is he got repaired at the same time. I'm like, it's the left and the right side that needs totally redoing. 562 00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:06,740 At least it wasn't you got it repaired and then you did the second one. 563 00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:13,740 Oh, yes, no, true. But that's when I was like, OK, my brain is not working and I need to address this. 564 00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:16,740 And yeah. And what did you do? 565 00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:32,740 I started taking HRT, but it's not like a full solve because I just I it's one, I don't always remember to take my HRT, but also to I don't feel like I've got it quite right. 566 00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:34,740 You know, so like titrated, correct? 567 00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:36,740 Like, yeah, it takes a while. 568 00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:38,740 I don't think I've got it right. 569 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:48,740 But, you know, I've got friends that are 10 years older and they are in the throes of menopause. And it's slightly terrifying. 570 00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:57,740 You know, I've got this one girlfriend who's just really struggling with rage and, you know, it's really intense. 571 00:32:57,740 --> 00:33:01,740 And she's also it's brought up a lot of childhood trauma. 572 00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:08,740 And at the same time, she's now being diagnosed for ADHD and autism, like all of it's coming. 573 00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:12,740 And it's all because of the hormones. Right. That was the trigger. 574 00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:18,740 She was completely happy and, you know, cruising along and it just has hit her like a brick. 575 00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:23,740 So I don't know if that's in front for me or whether, you know, I don't know. 576 00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:26,740 I don't know what the journey is, but I just think it's great to talk about it. 577 00:33:26,740 --> 00:33:30,740 And I think it's great that my younger friends are like, Chris, I think you're in Barry. 578 00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:36,740 And I'm like, oh, God, OK, I suppose I should go and like investigate what I can do. 579 00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:39,740 But yeah, the brain fog is ridiculously annoying. 580 00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:47,740 Well, we learned from we had Dr. Tash Miranda here on our very first season that there are 70 documented symptoms, symptoms of perimenopause. 581 00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:49,740 That's documented. That means that we know that those are real things. 582 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:53,740 And I'm sure there's more, you know, and obviously the way that they interplay with each other. 583 00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:59,740 So I think it's a good message. Like, if you think something's up, don't wait to get into a car accident twice. 584 00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:09,740 Maybe just go have some blood work done. So, you know, and I think it's also like accepting that we are all going to get older. 585 00:34:09,740 --> 00:34:13,740 And it's it's not a terrible thing. You know, like it's just a new chapter. 586 00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:22,740 I feel like that's part of the I suppose the denial piece that I had was like, oh, I think also my teens, also young. 587 00:34:22,740 --> 00:34:33,740 I really went to the doctor once and the doctor's like, how old are you? And I'm like, 35. Oh, no, 45. 588 00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:40,740 I was like, what was this when you were 36 and you'd forgotten? No, I'm like, oh, shit, I actually I actually thought I was 35. 589 00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:45,740 Well, and it's like those things, you know, when you hear, oh, yeah, you know, like the 90s, it's only 20 years ago. 590 00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:48,740 And then actually it was like 30 years ago. 591 00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:52,740 That's a heartbreak. Yeah, I was watching Ocean's 12 this past weekend. 592 00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:55,740 That movie is from 2004, guys. Oh, my God. 593 00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:58,740 And that's the sequel to Ocean's 11, which I also remember coming out. 594 00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:02,740 Anyway, I mean, things. Yeah. Time has passed. Let's put it that way. 595 00:35:02,740 --> 00:35:06,740 Now, OK, you've acknowledged that you're in Perry. Welcome. 596 00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:11,740 I can't join the club. But what else other than taking HRT? 597 00:35:11,740 --> 00:35:14,740 Right. Are you doing any lifestyle changes that that you found positive? 598 00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:18,740 I mean, obviously, taking up pottery and stuff is mental changes, which is great. 599 00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:23,740 Have you done anything like, you know, any look, workout regimens, any dietary changes? 600 00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:30,740 Yeah. I look I have definitely reduced the amount of alcohol and I stopped drinking for about six months. 601 00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:34,740 And that was great. That was really good. That really helps your brain function. Yeah, sure. 602 00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:38,740 And I think it's really hard on your body to drink. 603 00:35:38,740 --> 00:35:42,740 And I don't know whether it's Perry or whether it's just this age or what it is. 604 00:35:42,740 --> 00:35:47,740 But, you know, I mean, I cannot do the bend like I used to. 605 00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:51,740 It's like a four day hangover now. So reducing alcohol. 606 00:35:51,740 --> 00:36:00,740 I mean, I had a big lifestyle change leaving Singapore and moving to Byron where it's a lot more outdoors. 607 00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:07,740 And I suppose, yeah, I suppose it's just more nature and fresh air. 608 00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:13,740 Seasons. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Seasons is great. Seasons is really good. 609 00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:20,740 Although Byron is so for people who don't know, it's just south of Brisbane and I do find the winter too cold. 610 00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:23,740 I'm always on a plane up to Asia for a couple of weeks for winter. 611 00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:26,740 And everyone in Byron is like, this is ridiculous. 612 00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:30,740 And they all complain about the humidity. And I'm like, oh, God, nothing. 613 00:36:30,740 --> 00:36:36,740 Anybody talking about humidity to me. Just, you know, like, look, I mean, this is the only hairstyle I can wear in Asia. 614 00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:39,740 I see these people. So yeah. Anyway. 615 00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:45,740 I used to have dead straight silky hair until I came here and I was like, what's happening? 616 00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:48,740 Yeah, but this is straightened. 617 00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:56,740 With effort. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I think there's definitely been, I like to think of it as seasons of your life. 618 00:36:56,740 --> 00:37:00,740 Right. But yeah, I mean, definitely slowed down a little bit. 619 00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:07,740 And I think that's partly hormonal and age, but also just the parenting journey, you know, just wanting to. 620 00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:10,740 I think I've also lost a lot of drive and ambition. 621 00:37:10,740 --> 00:37:21,740 You know, I think I used to be a lot more like when I started Honeycomers on the back end, I think I had 10 countries set up to take over Asia. 622 00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:26,740 And how many do you have now? Three. Three. Yeah. So it's Honeycomers, Singapore, Hong Kong and Bali. 623 00:37:26,740 --> 00:37:32,740 And Bali. Yeah. Very cool. Yes. Yeah. I feel like Bali's the up and coming. Oh, yeah. Bali is such a great little business. 624 00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:37,740 Yeah. It's really good. It's fantastic. Is Honey Kids in Bali? No, Honey Kids is only in Singapore. 625 00:37:37,740 --> 00:37:43,740 That's also a nice business. Honey Kids. Yeah. By the way, that also exists. 626 00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:48,740 And it's so funny when you say that, you know, you're feeling that your kids need you now more than ever. 627 00:37:48,740 --> 00:37:54,740 Right. Because here we are three different parenting stages. Right. So you've got 15, 13, 10. Yeah. 628 00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:58,740 You've got nine and a couple of sixes. Right. And I've got littles. Right. 629 00:37:58,740 --> 00:38:05,740 So four, three, about to be three and six months old. And for me, it's like I can't visualize being where you are. 630 00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:11,740 I can't visualize the point where the support isn't butt wiping and tears drying. 631 00:38:11,740 --> 00:38:15,740 You know, more mental and kind of stage development stuff. 632 00:38:15,740 --> 00:38:29,740 Can you give me give me an idea of how you were able to kind of transition out of full hands on moming into kind of the business world more or less full time and then back into moming? 633 00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:34,740 I mean, is that just something that happened organically? Or did you did you design that? Yeah. 634 00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:42,740 I had a theory or have a theory that when they're little, it doesn't really matter who gives them the bowl of milk or who wipes their barn. 635 00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:48,740 And so I was very heads down bum up working when they were little for a large part of it. 636 00:38:48,740 --> 00:39:06,740 But I really believe that particularly when they get to a I don't know whether it's 10, 11 that they are well, I suppose I find them a lot more interesting because they really are trying to work out the world 637 00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:26,740 and work out who they are and what they believe in and what their values are. And I feel like that's a real privilege to be able to help shape these people to become people that I suppose have similar values and and care deeply and and you know, 638 00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:36,740 know how to form deep relationships. And yeah, so I feel like I'm I'm really enjoying this stage of parenting. 639 00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:43,740 And I think whilst I find this stage of parenting challenging, it's it's really rewarding. 640 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:51,740 But in a in a very, I suppose, deep way as opposed to, yeah, he's walking. 641 00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:56,740 You know, he's always come wipe a butt in my house. I mean, like if you're a short, I got it. 642 00:39:56,740 --> 00:40:03,740 I do love babies. I'm like, oh, yeah, I could have definitely had more babies. But my husband was like, no, he gave me a deadline. 643 00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:07,740 Actually, he was like, if you're not pregnant by Christmas, there's no third child. 644 00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:23,740 I was like, OK, upstairs, brother. Yeah. But yeah, no, I feel like this stage of. Yeah, especially with neurodiversity. You know, that's that's been a whole education for myself. 645 00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:40,740 And I think it's a really great time to be a neurodivergent person because there's just so much more acceptance and acknowledgement and and yeah, this yeah, support. 646 00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:50,740 And and I think that there's a lot more neurodivergence being recognized or diagnosed now because we know so much more. 647 00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:57,740 But I think having these experiences just almost deepens your ability to be a good human yourself. 648 00:40:57,740 --> 00:41:03,740 You know, so yeah, it's some wild. What's really interesting with that is so I'm reading a book at the minute. 649 00:41:03,740 --> 00:41:08,740 It's called Unique and it's all about autistic people. 650 00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:15,740 And it's written by a girl who was the relationship coach on the show. 651 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:21,740 Brain fog moment. Love on the Spectrum. Yes. Yeah. So Jodie Rogers is her name. 652 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:30,740 But she basically has written this great book that shares with you her experience, really life coaching people who are autistic. 653 00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:44,740 And like it's such a great book for me because I can understand with all of this information that actually, you know, my child's not being difficult or being rude. 654 00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:49,740 It's just they don't have they haven't learned how to have reciprocal conversations. 655 00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:53,740 Right. For example. And I was like, offered it to my mom. 656 00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:59,740 He's a big reader. And she's like, oh, no, I I can't read it. 657 00:41:59,740 --> 00:42:06,740 And it's a generational thing. Yes. Yes. She's like, it'll either make me sad or I can't. 658 00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:11,740 I don't have the capacity to to to really. I actually I should ask her. 659 00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:17,740 I don't really know what it is. But, you know, when my dad found out that my child was autistic, he came to me a day later and went. 660 00:42:17,740 --> 00:42:23,740 So it doesn't mean she's intellectually disabled. But, you know, like that's what the way they would have assumed. 661 00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:30,740 Yeah. Yeah. But and that's what an autism diagnosis used to be in the 80s. 662 00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:35,740 You only were diagnosed autistic if you were intellectually. 663 00:42:35,740 --> 00:42:41,740 If you had the learning disability. Exactly. Thank you. But, yes. So it's all changed. It's always changing. 664 00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:51,740 But, yes. So I suppose the thing with that is I just hope that as we grow and go from the 40s to 50s there in their 70s, 665 00:42:51,740 --> 00:42:59,740 that we can continue to kind of have this open mind and be like accepting of of change and new things, 666 00:42:59,740 --> 00:43:05,740 because that's that was the like confronting thing. Now it's like, wow. 667 00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:10,740 Well, one of the questions I was going to ask you was what's the most surprising thing that you've learned in your 40s? 668 00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:17,740 And I feel like this is kind of speaking to that. Yeah. Yeah. A later diagnosis autistic child is surprising. 669 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:22,740 That's a surprise. Yeah. Yeah. And being able to understand that yourself. Yeah. Yeah. 670 00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:33,740 That was a big surprise. I think I think the biggest thing I've learned in the last time, 46, really, I think, is probably more from. 671 00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:40,740 Well, it's that. But also that my experience in the pandemic really taught me about mindset and the power of the mind. 672 00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:47,740 And I'm really hungry for any knowledge around neuroplasticity. 673 00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:57,740 And really, I really find it intriguing how much the mind can control health and confidence and everything. 674 00:43:57,740 --> 00:44:01,740 Oh, yeah. Strength, performance. Yeah. Everything. It's all about the mind. 675 00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:04,740 So, yeah, that's what I'm really loving learning about. 676 00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:13,740 And I feel like partly my experience with Covid, but then also, you know, with my family's, you know, what? 677 00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:18,740 Yeah. Teaching my kids all the challenges we have is not anything but the mind. 678 00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:26,740 So, yeah, that's that's the thing. And like you said, neuroplasticity, you can reshape the mind, you know, by doing certain things. 679 00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:32,740 So that's the I think the great thing about the brain and the mind, right? Yeah. It never ends. 680 00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:40,740 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So speaking of the journey ending, we do need to end our conversation today, although we again, we could talk to you for hours and, you know, 681 00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:44,740 maybe we can carry on later tonight. Yeah. I was just going to say, listeners, guess what? 682 00:44:44,740 --> 00:44:46,740 We actually get to spend more time with Chris tonight. 683 00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:53,740 But the final question that we ask everyone in the program is in your words, in your experience, what's the 40s formula? 684 00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:57,740 What's the trick to kind of living better, living like Chris? 685 00:44:57,740 --> 00:45:01,740 Well, the short answer is to give less fucks. 686 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:10,740 And and the longer answer is really, I think. 687 00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:14,740 Well, I've been I've been talking a lot about self agency. 688 00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:27,740 So and I've I have been asked to do a few speaking appointments and I have been doing a lot of reflection on what has really enabled me to create the life I love. 689 00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:35,740 You know, jump on a plane and go into events and come home and, you know, be with my kids and not work crazy hours and all the things that I love. 690 00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:42,740 And it really has come down to this ability to believe that I have the power to create my own destiny. 691 00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:52,740 And so it's mindset. But, you know, in a better way than just saying mindset, it's really about the belief that we are in control and that we can build self agency. 692 00:45:52,740 --> 00:46:00,740 So we can strengthen that that muscle of agency through surrounding yourself with good people and educating yourself. 693 00:46:00,740 --> 00:46:09,740 I love listening to podcasts as a way, a form of education, knowing what your limiting beliefs are and addressing them, tapping into your intuition. 694 00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:13,740 And then the last one is just taking action. I'm a big advocate for action. 695 00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:18,740 You got to act in action, focus people here as well. I think all coaches kind of have to be. 696 00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:24,740 Yes. So thank you so much for sharing that with us, Chris. And again, for sharing so many elements of your personal journey. 697 00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:28,740 We appreciate your candid spirit and just having you on the show as always. 698 00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:34,740 Thank you. We wish we had more like you. So thank you so much for being here today. Thank you so much for having me. 699 00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:38,740 Absolute pleasure. Thank you. 700 00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:48,740 After talking to our amazing guests all day in studio, we need a good drink to refocus. 701 00:46:48,740 --> 00:46:52,740 And let's be honest, we could use a dash more energy to. 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Not weird. 709 00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:27,740 Flojo actually helps me stay calm and in control. 710 00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:34,740 So when I get home after work, I can just be immediately present with my family, not all jacked up in jittery like I might feel after a later day coffee. 711 00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:39,740 Even better, they offer a 14 day money back guarantee so you can try it without any worry. 712 00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:46,740 And you can get free shipping when you order directly from their website at www.drinkflojo.com. 713 00:47:46,740 --> 00:47:48,740 This is Paul, our editor. 714 00:47:48,740 --> 00:47:57,740 He's a 25 year old unmarried Singaporean guy listening to the ramblings of 12 older women on everything from menopause to weightlifting to sex. 715 00:47:57,740 --> 00:48:00,740 So, Paul, what's your thoughts on today's conversation? 716 00:48:00,740 --> 00:48:03,740 Hey, guys, what's up? Paul here. 717 00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:11,740 Chris, thanks for sharing the honey coma story and I think it's a pretty cool story because you shared the risk that you took. 718 00:48:11,740 --> 00:48:23,740 And now, kind of looking back, it's almost hilarious because pretty much everything, if not most things like internet banking, shopping, transactions, even news, it's on the internet nowadays, one way or another. 719 00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:27,740 So, sort of like from a risk perspective, yay! 720 00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:40,740 I also love how open and candid you were in sharing your perspective about business struggles and personal struggles, specifically with your family and going through the whole Covid pandemic, of course. 721 00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:44,740 So, thanks for sharing and I hope to see you around as well. See ya! 722 00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:50,740 Guys, you know how much we love coffee? 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Thank you for being part of this community and we'll be back next week for more empowering conversations with inspiring guests. Bye! 729 00:49:56,740 --> 00:50:19,740 Did your whole family move? 730 00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:29,740 My parents retired, so they moved to the desert. And then my brother definitely did not move and he stayed in Chicago. And then I moved for college. 731 00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:35,740 Chicagoans have a stronger accent. 732 00:50:35,740 --> 00:50:39,740 I like Chicagoans. Does it come back? 733 00:50:39,740 --> 00:50:48,740 So Richie's accent, you know the cousin, that is my cousins. If you had my cousins on this podcast, you'd hear that accent. 734 00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:54,740 So if you go to Chicago or you hang out with your cousin, your brother, do you pick up that accent? 735 00:50:54,740 --> 00:51:02,740 Slightly, but not as bad. When I joined my sorority in college in LA, I used to get ripped. Just merciless. 736 00:51:02,740 --> 00:51:14,740 You could listen in on a conversation and then you'd pick it up. But like your mom, it's your mom. It's never your mom. It's your mom. And I can hear it. 737 00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:22,740 It sounds a bit like Midlands-y. If I'm hearing it, it sounds like someone from the Midlands in England. 738 00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:50,740 Someone from Canada also has a similar thing, but it's a little more harsh.