1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,560 I think that's a good message in the sense that you might even have the same results on your genetic test 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:10,000 Yeah, but your behavior and what your lifestyle is can change your path entirely 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,000 And I think speaking to what both of you just said, you know, I don't method well 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,000 So what dr menca was talking about, right? So sorry, i'm just kidding. You've got that 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Uh, can I say it? Is it the mother fucker gene? 6 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Hey, hey and welcome to the 40s formula 7 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,560 You're going to place for insightful discussions on navigating the 40s and thriving in this transformative decade 8 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:57,440 We're your hosts jasmine and amanda two women that are passionate about exploring the challenges and adventures that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead 9 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:11,860 Today we have two incredible guests joining us from neutral nourish a functional medicine clinic based here in singapore 10 00:01:11,860 --> 00:01:17,140 First we have dr menka gupta a visionary in the field of functional medicine and the founder of neutral nourish 11 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:25,300 Dr menka is passionate about preventing disease and treating individuals holistically by identifying the root causes of chronic illnesses 12 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:28,580 With her expertise in functional medicine and epigenetics 13 00:01:29,060 --> 00:01:33,860 She's helping countless people improve their longevity and reverse the signs of biological aging 14 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:38,900 From inflammation and gut health to hormonal imbalances and environmental toxins 15 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:42,260 She creates personalized programs to manage and prevent chronic disease 16 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:49,380 Dr menka works with patients globally through telemedicine and digital health with over 20 years of experience 17 00:01:49,780 --> 00:01:54,420 She was also south asia's first ifm certified functional medicine practitioner 18 00:01:55,380 --> 00:02:03,060 Joining her today is dr. Deepika rawley gopalan a functional medicine certified health coach with a phd in genetics 19 00:02:03,060 --> 00:02:10,020 Dr. Deepika is passionate about epigenetics where she explores how lifestyle choices can influence our genes and overall health 20 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:14,900 And neutral nourish she walks alongside her clients helping them to achieve their health goals 21 00:02:15,380 --> 00:02:20,580 Personalized approaches that focus on food movement sleep and stress management 22 00:02:21,620 --> 00:02:30,740 Using dna testing and the latest science-based tools dr. Deepika empowers her clients to discover what true well-being looks like in both body and mind 23 00:02:30,740 --> 00:02:34,420 Dr Menka, dr. Deepika. Thank you for joining us on the 40s formula today 24 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:37,780 I am really excited to have you both here. We 25 00:02:38,580 --> 00:02:44,980 Have been waiting for this episode. I feel like autoimmune disease is something that 26 00:02:45,780 --> 00:02:47,780 Takes a while 27 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:51,700 To sort of take hold, you know, you have these symptoms I was 28 00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:57,940 14 and I was going through a lot of stuff. I had crazy hives. I 29 00:02:57,940 --> 00:03:02,680 Had really messed up periods. I just was gaining weight uncontrollably 30 00:03:03,220 --> 00:03:05,220 But nobody could tell me what was going on 31 00:03:05,780 --> 00:03:10,740 And it wasn't until I was 23 years old. So nine years later was I told that I had hashy batoes 32 00:03:11,540 --> 00:03:14,580 So I was getting all these symptoms and I just couldn't understand what was happening 33 00:03:14,580 --> 00:03:18,980 And it wasn't until I got the diagnosis that I thought oh shit. All of this stuff was connected 34 00:03:19,540 --> 00:03:22,980 So why does it take so long to diagnose autoimmune conditions? 35 00:03:22,980 --> 00:03:27,940 And what should people look out for? Yeah, I mean you're so right about this 36 00:03:27,940 --> 00:03:33,700 You know average it takes around four and a half years for a person to get diagnosed that they have an autoimmune condition 37 00:03:34,020 --> 00:03:38,260 So I think to start with the space symptoms are so non-specific 38 00:03:38,980 --> 00:03:44,420 And the fact that they're you know, applying to all different parts of the body all different organs 39 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:49,940 So let's say, you know, they could have muscle fatigue. They could have joint pains. They could have joint swelling 40 00:03:49,940 --> 00:03:55,780 Um, they could have uh, you know in terms of some gut symptoms going on some skin symptoms going on 41 00:03:55,780 --> 00:04:01,140 And you know, we have specialists for all of these fields. We have a dermatologist. We have a 42 00:04:02,180 --> 00:04:05,380 You know orthopedic specialist, but the point is at the end of the day 43 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:08,500 We need somebody who can connect these dots 44 00:04:09,060 --> 00:04:10,900 and say 45 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:16,420 Maybe test them at an earlier on stage when somebody's coming with non-specific symptoms 46 00:04:16,420 --> 00:04:20,180 The problem is that a lot of times it's said that it's in their head 47 00:04:20,580 --> 00:04:24,420 Or maybe you're very stressed and that's why you're getting these disease spells 48 00:04:24,980 --> 00:04:28,100 So a lot of times it's been uh ignored 49 00:04:28,740 --> 00:04:34,580 As just that it's something, you know, they're worried about but it's nothing is going on physically 50 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:37,860 But sometimes when the doctor is listening to them as well 51 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:41,460 Um, they want to do run some lab tests for autoimmune 52 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:46,180 Um conditions and antibodies and a lot of time we don't those tests are negative 53 00:04:46,740 --> 00:04:48,740 So we don't have like 54 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:55,060 You know tests which will definitely say you have this condition for example rheumatoid, right? I mean 55 00:04:55,700 --> 00:05:01,540 So many times rheumatoid factor is negative and uh, they have typical symptoms women 56 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:06,100 In their 40s getting up with stiffness joint pains 57 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:12,260 Um, but rheumatoid factor is negative and then they're they're hushed away, you know, uh till it's really painful 58 00:05:13,060 --> 00:05:16,980 Um, and that's when you know, they are given medications to help with that 59 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:23,860 So I think it's number one the symptoms which are so non-specific related to different specialists and different doctors 60 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:26,740 Number two the ability to diagnose them 61 00:05:27,540 --> 00:05:30,500 Because there are sometimes not specific symptoms 62 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:35,700 Which are present at the time which may slowly develop over the years 63 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:41,700 Um, but there are like there are doctors who are now in, you know screening 64 00:05:42,420 --> 00:05:47,700 They are doing an antibodies and a lot of times the this is pre autoimmune 65 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:52,900 So these anioid antibodies are developing much before they are developing symptoms 66 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:56,900 And I have patients who are very ill and they are not able to diagnose themselves 67 00:05:56,900 --> 00:06:02,740 Much before they are developing symptoms and I have patients who are very well read and they're like this is high 68 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:03,860 What can I do? 69 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:08,820 And so that's what we're talking about prevention, which is something which you discussed about that 70 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:13,860 You know we get on and work on those antibodies which are not supposed to be there 71 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:20,820 So earlier on and what's really triggering those antibodies off? So we are getting people who are more, you know 72 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:22,900 Who are very well educated? 73 00:06:23,460 --> 00:06:25,460 They know how to tackle this. Um 74 00:06:25,460 --> 00:06:28,020 Uh much before the disease actually shows up 75 00:06:28,660 --> 00:06:33,540 What causes autoimmune disease? Um, you know, is it genetics? Is it lifestyle factors? 76 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:38,740 I know you sort of mentioned stress a little bit earlier on and you're you're saying that you know people are told it's stress 77 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:40,740 Is it stress? You know 78 00:06:41,620 --> 00:06:43,620 What is it that actually causes? 79 00:06:43,620 --> 00:06:48,100 Yes, so autoimmune disease is actually our immune system to be honest 80 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:50,500 Um very very unhappy 81 00:06:51,060 --> 00:06:53,060 Not thinking right 82 00:06:53,060 --> 00:06:55,700 And you know hurting our own body tissues 83 00:06:56,260 --> 00:06:58,660 So our innate immune system is there to fight 84 00:06:59,380 --> 00:07:02,840 The viruses the bacteria is the pathogenic organisms 85 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:08,740 The environmental toxins the sensitive foods, so they are there to fight these 86 00:07:09,620 --> 00:07:10,580 um 87 00:07:10,580 --> 00:07:14,660 Bugs which are around they're not supposed to be fighting against us 88 00:07:15,380 --> 00:07:17,380 Against our own body tissue 89 00:07:17,380 --> 00:07:25,380 So, uh this whole cascade of inflammation which happens and then our own immune system starts targeting our let's say thyroid tissue 90 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:27,860 That's not really supposed to happen 91 00:07:28,260 --> 00:07:31,860 So that's where um, you know functional medicine comes in 92 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:37,940 We look at not just the genes. Yes genes have a huge role to play. Um 93 00:07:38,660 --> 00:07:42,420 There are lots of studies being done now which was coming out that you know 94 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:47,380 Uh, we have human human leukocyte antigen hla. We have il2 95 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:54,820 We have dnf aip. These are different loci of genes which are which when you test certain autoimmune people 96 00:07:54,980 --> 00:08:00,500 They have these genes which are um, they have these loci which are active in there 97 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:06,180 But the fact is that you may have the genes and you're living this beautiful healthy life 98 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:08,740 These genes really don't show up 99 00:08:08,740 --> 00:08:14,820 Um, or sometimes you may not have the genes because there are hundreds of genes and maybe you have some 100 00:08:15,220 --> 00:08:20,500 Or you may don't have some but it's the factors the environmental factors which come in 101 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:25,300 Um, which can play a huge role. So for many many years we were talking about 102 00:08:26,020 --> 00:08:31,620 genes and environmental factors playing a role in autoimmune disease, but amazingly, um, 103 00:08:31,940 --> 00:08:32,660 Dr 104 00:08:32,660 --> 00:08:38,820 Fasano who's like our teacher and our mentor in institute for functional medicine? 105 00:08:38,820 --> 00:08:44,660 He came out with research in 2000 which were which he saw that these autoimmune patients 106 00:08:45,060 --> 00:08:48,500 There is a marker called zonulin which is high in their body 107 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:57,620 And then he traced zonulin back to the fact that zonulin actually cause those tight junctions in your intestine and wall to open up 108 00:08:57,620 --> 00:09:02,580 So then he started connecting the dots that all these patients have high zonulin 109 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:08,180 So he brought the third factor in which is increased intestinal permeability, which is all about your gut health 110 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:12,980 Um, is that is that leaky gut by any? Yeah, exactly. Okay. So that's leaky gut 111 00:09:12,980 --> 00:09:15,540 So now it's very well researched and dr. Fasano 112 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:21,780 He's Harvard University head of department in their nutrition and he's been researching this for many years 113 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:29,800 And that's how we've learned the functional medicine way of treating all these working on all these three factors right from environment 114 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:31,780 leaky gut 115 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:38,340 um and genes to actually improve the expression and not have autoimmune disease or prevent it 116 00:09:38,660 --> 00:09:44,180 So dr. Deepika is our lady who actually deals with the whole lifestyle and all those triggers 117 00:09:44,660 --> 00:09:48,180 Um, and also the genes which she helps our patients with so well 118 00:09:48,180 --> 00:09:54,100 You just use the word trigger, right and that reminds me one of my favorite quotes about the interplay of genetics and health 119 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:58,660 Right, which is your genetics loads the gun, but your lifestyle pulls the trigger 120 00:09:59,060 --> 00:10:05,620 And so exactly what you said like you can't control your genes, but you sure can control your lifestyle and the expression of those genes 121 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:06,500 Yes 122 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:07,060 Yeah 123 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:13,720 and so I guess what what you're saying is then that it doesn't doesn't matter if you have the genetic predisposition 124 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:20,280 As long as you are managing or living a healthier lifestyle, you may not be susceptible to 125 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:27,400 Those conditions so are there specific can like specific factors or specific conditions that could then 126 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,880 open up and lead to 127 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:36,200 Autoimmunity for example the genetics the lifestyle is there and you know, you're saying the gut health 128 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:42,120 It does does stress also play a role in that as well. So increase intestinal permeability 129 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,120 There are many factors and that's when I sit down with my patient for an hour 130 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,160 We're really exploring with them that what triggered that leaky gut 131 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:54,280 So we are definitely you know in women around 40s. We are looking a lot at hormones 132 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,960 And it's not just the cortisol dhea cortisone. It's their 133 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:04,200 Estrogen that's progesterone their testosterone their neurotransmitters melatonin is not enough. They're not sleeping well 134 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,840 We also look into serotonin and dopamine and if that's not enough and that's causing 135 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,160 You know lack of pleasure lack of motivation and that can all impact their gut health 136 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,380 But then there's a huge thing about environmental toxins about gut microbiome 137 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:22,600 Jasmine there is so much information on gut health out there right now 138 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:28,760 And if we as nutritionists are tired of trying to wade through the oceans of probiotic strains and supplements to figure out what's best for 139 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,040 Our families. I imagine our listeners are too. 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That's akisi wellness 150 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:35,980 Akisi wellness.com and now back to the show about latent infections 151 00:12:36,820 --> 00:12:43,100 CMV and EBV so really finding out with this patient where are their triggers? 152 00:12:43,820 --> 00:12:46,860 And if you start working on them and not just putting in the protocol 153 00:12:46,860 --> 00:12:52,460 But actually helping that change with the five pillars of health which dr. Deepika does is very helpful 154 00:12:52,460 --> 00:13:00,460 I think that Dr Menka once she kind of maps out the underlying causes and as she said the underlying causes can be 155 00:13:00,940 --> 00:13:07,660 from uh, you know them having a sad diet what I call not even just a sad american but sad all around the world 156 00:13:07,980 --> 00:13:09,980 Thank you 157 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:14,700 Very triggered 158 00:13:14,940 --> 00:13:19,660 So, you know so whether it is a diet full of processed food and uh, you know 159 00:13:19,660 --> 00:13:23,580 Refined foods and high sugar and trans fats and you know 160 00:13:23,660 --> 00:13:29,660 Everything that's going to feed the bad bacteria in the gut or whether it is food sensitivities that come out of 161 00:13:30,220 --> 00:13:32,460 The tests that we do or whether it is 162 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:39,500 Anti-nutrients, you know like an anti-nutrient for me the one that I think has come out the most significantly in many clients 163 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:43,820 Especially with thyroid issues and all the hormonal issues is stress 164 00:13:44,460 --> 00:13:46,460 So where the gut is concerned? 165 00:13:46,460 --> 00:13:53,100 Uh, you know, I always call stress an anti-nutrient because that seems to trigger leaky gut as much as gluten 166 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:58,540 You know which has gliadin and which can then turn to this whole sonilin cascade happening 167 00:13:58,780 --> 00:14:04,220 Can you define that for us anti-nutrient? Okay. So if you think of nutrients right in terms of food 168 00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:10,620 What does that represent? You're looking at phytonutrients that come from plant foods, right? The the plethora of 169 00:14:10,620 --> 00:14:16,700 Of rainbow diversity from non-starchy veggies, whether it's broccoli whether it is eggplant tomatoes 170 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:19,600 I mean we have nature's given us that bountiful 171 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:26,620 Amount of phytonutrients and then you have proteins clean lean proteins whether they're plant or animal sources 172 00:14:27,020 --> 00:14:29,980 You have fats healthy fats. We don't want the trans fats 173 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:32,060 largely poly and 174 00:14:32,060 --> 00:14:35,660 Uh more unsaturated fats with some healthy saturated fats as well 175 00:14:35,660 --> 00:14:42,140 And so all this is what we call these are called nutrients fiber rich foods being able to bring in even enough water 176 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:45,180 So if you think of these in terms of food, right? 177 00:14:45,580 --> 00:14:50,780 What else in terms of if now we know that the gut lining when it gets, uh, you know 178 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:57,500 Kind of gets leaky the gut lining is is where your immune system is sitting and that's what's getting targeted and kind of going 179 00:14:57,740 --> 00:14:59,820 I mean kind of goes into stranger danger mode, right? 180 00:14:59,820 --> 00:15:06,060 So what is it that you really are looking at beyond food that's not serving your gut? 181 00:15:06,060 --> 00:15:12,620 So when you have high levels of stress, you have imbalanced stress hormones like cortisol and cortisol can 182 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:19,100 imbalanced cortisol triggers the gut lining as much as gluten or processed food 183 00:15:19,740 --> 00:15:26,800 Right and in that gut lining you also have serotonin which is a neurotransmitter being produced. So it's all a kind of bi-directional 184 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,280 intersectional uh intelligence to the body that gets disturbed and disrupted 185 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,840 So that's why I was talking about anti-nutrients not just in the area of food 186 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,200 But also in the area of too much exercise lack of exercise lack of sleep 187 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,760 lack of motivation 188 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:49,360 Not being able to put enough stress reducing techniques and not sometimes for people not just you know 189 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:54,000 Not having a sense of value meaning and purpose. I've seen it so many times with women who are in their 40s 190 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,480 they've dedicated their lives to their family and they 191 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:02,640 start you know kind of going into a phase where the kids are leaving and then they have an empty nester kind of syndrome and 192 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,640 They go into a sense of perceived threat 193 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,520 What's the reason for my existence and that kind of causes a drip drip drip of cortisol? 194 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Which is as inflammatory to the gut as processed food and it's funny 195 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,800 Isn't it because I feel like what could be stressful for me may not necessarily be stressful for you 196 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,600 And that could be the physical activity that could be the emotional the mental whatever it is 197 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,040 And I think it's just how you deal with it. So sort of based on that 198 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,800 How can genetics play a role in personalized treatment? 199 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,480 Okay, so when we look at I'm we're kind of addressing autoimmune here, right? So 200 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,360 If you if I can just talk about uh, 201 00:16:40,460 --> 00:16:44,320 Personalizing these plans from a basic up to something which is very targeted 202 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:50,480 Right, so if someone comes in and they have autoimmune issues you start off with maybe just an elimination plan 203 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,000 Where we talk about a whole body detox not just with foods 204 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,400 But again looking at stress factors looking at all the five pillars as we spoke about just now 205 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:05,120 Right and then with dr menka prescribing maybe a food sensitivity test. We kind of target 206 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,840 Food sensitivities further so taking out foods that may not be suiting them that are actually okay for everyone else 207 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,400 But not okay for them, right and then you can target it further into an advanced plan 208 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,160 Now over and beyond that if you find if dr menka 209 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,640 Asks them to do a dna test and you find that they have what we call methylation issues 210 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Or they have a you know a gst snip a genetic snip 211 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:35,120 Which was which is going to interfere with the master antioxidant in the body glutathione being produced 212 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:42,080 Right, then you have to be able to personalize that first which dr menka will take care with supplements 213 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:49,600 But that but in terms of lifestyle being able to put in foods b12 and b9 rich foods being able to really 214 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,800 Reduce stress but find out what their triggers are 215 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,440 Amanda you're going to love this 216 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:00,720 I just found out that the meat club have added a whole new range of protein snacks and supplements to their website 217 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,960 Wait, what I thought they just did the meat and the fish and that brand new range of fresh fruit and veggies 218 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,920 They do but now they've got things like grass-fed jerky protein bars and even bone broth 219 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,120 It's all packed with nutrients that are perfect for a quick and healthy snack 220 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Okay, that is exactly what I need for the days when i'm running between clients and recordings and kids 221 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,160 Exactly. 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Others live on a sense of high alert 235 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:20,900 You know, they are too busy all the time and they're like they're tired but wired 236 00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:25,620 And in other cases a sense of threat emotional. So what is the underlying trigger? 237 00:19:26,180 --> 00:19:28,500 You know, sometimes emotionally it's you know 238 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,500 uncertainty 239 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:33,540 Novel circumstances sense of threat to sense of self 240 00:19:34,180 --> 00:19:38,340 Losing a sense of control. So really being able to target that and see what's going on 241 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:46,900 So when we talk about epigenetics, it's it's your methylation or your histone modification or your micro rna 242 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:53,780 Which are basically playing a huge role on the phenotype expression of the genes 243 00:19:53,780 --> 00:20:00,420 So if you can modify that through epigenetics through all the factors she's she just mentioned about 244 00:20:00,740 --> 00:20:05,620 You can actually go a long way in reducing inflammation on autoimmune process in the body 245 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:07,940 so I 246 00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:09,940 Epigenetics is hugely coming out 247 00:20:10,580 --> 00:20:12,900 In terms of prevention of autoimmune diseases 248 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:18,100 Um, and i'm very excited about how this will go on further because we just started learning 249 00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:20,740 In med school, I wasn't taught about it at all 250 00:20:20,740 --> 00:20:26,420 But now last 12 doing this work, you know, really finding out what is this person? 251 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:31,640 You know genes can tell us that you may be gluten sensitive. You might get lactose intolerant 252 00:20:32,020 --> 00:20:34,500 You are very predisposed to inflammation 253 00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:38,340 And based on that you make plans you can really modify 254 00:20:39,060 --> 00:20:41,700 Um the outcome of the expression of those genes 255 00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:45,140 It's funny because I think we've both had a circle dna test done haven't we? 256 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:47,700 And on there it like on mine 257 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:53,700 It it basically says that i'm carb sensitive and it's quite weird because I've pretty much I think for the last seven years 258 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:56,580 I've been low carbing just because I feel it makes me feel better 259 00:20:56,900 --> 00:21:01,060 And then when the the genetic test showed that I was like, oh it kind of makes sense because I I know 260 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:07,140 I can definitely feel that I feel better without you know, eating too many carbs and I guess you know 261 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:10,420 Like the gluten sensitivity and all that stuff. It kind of does show 262 00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:15,380 That there is an issue but interestingly mine also shows that i'm carb sensitive 263 00:21:15,380 --> 00:21:20,660 But i'm i'm on a very specific diet because i'm an athlete and I i'm working on hypertrophy, right? 264 00:21:20,660 --> 00:21:22,340 So i'm working on muscle gain 265 00:21:22,340 --> 00:21:27,380 And so my diet right now is 40 carbs and I just raised that actually can you imagine me on 40? 266 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:31,320 Even though my genetic test says you're carb sensitive 267 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:37,780 Because of my epigenetics and the ways I live my life. I actually need more carbohydrates to achieve specific goal, right? 268 00:21:37,780 --> 00:21:39,620 So whether or not i'm carb sensitive 269 00:21:39,620 --> 00:21:44,580 So I think that's a good message in the sense that you might even have the same results on your genetic test 270 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:49,940 But your behavioral behavior and what your lifestyle is can change your path entirely 271 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:53,940 And I think speaking to what both of you just said, you know, I don't methylate well 272 00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:58,020 So what dr menca was talking about, right? So so i'm just gonna you've got that 273 00:21:58,660 --> 00:22:00,740 Can I say is that the mother fucker change? 274 00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:12,500 And you know the way you were speaking about you know over time all these like dr menca was saying i've done this for so long 275 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:15,060 It's been an unconscious kind of uh 276 00:22:15,620 --> 00:22:17,860 Leaning because it made me feel better 277 00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:24,420 So the moment I kind of put in like because my husband doesn't do that much meditation. He doesn't do so much stretching 278 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:28,100 He doesn't do so much balancing but I my body needs it 279 00:22:28,660 --> 00:22:32,340 And you know just looking at the way that you can target exercise 280 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:39,620 Personalized exercise personalized foods, you know as you said personalized like you've brought an exercise at a different level which suits you 281 00:22:39,620 --> 00:22:46,820 Yeah, you know and then sleeping able to prioritize sleep for someone like me really making sure my sleep wake cycle is in place 282 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:53,300 And as I said just always being able to align with a sense of value meaning and purpose and sometimes I think that's why 283 00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:56,420 I've come to this field. So it's amazing how something which was 284 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,100 Possibly what I would have viewed as a weakness has turned out to be my greatest strength 285 00:23:02,180 --> 00:23:07,480 Yeah, it's amazing. So that's the tweak of how you can transmute something like methylation 286 00:23:07,940 --> 00:23:09,220 into 287 00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:13,780 Working for you once you make your lifestyle changes epigenetics just to sort of go back 288 00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:17,220 Can you just explain to our listeners what methylation means and what? 289 00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:20,180 You know what that means in terms of what that mfg is 290 00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:24,740 Okay, so 291 00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:31,140 methylation actually is uh, uh, you have mthfr which is an enzyme that works on dietary folate 292 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:35,540 To convert it into methyl folate, which is a compound that is very fundamental 293 00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:37,620 to 294 00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:43,380 Myriad functions in the body whether it's your mitochondria the powerhouses of the cell working well to release energy 295 00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:49,940 And to detox and all your detoxification pathways, so it's so involved so so kind of integral to that 296 00:23:50,260 --> 00:23:55,060 So if this enzyme is kind of not working properly, you can imagine what's going to happen 297 00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:59,060 You're going to end up with fatigue. You're going to end up with toxins kind of being held on 298 00:23:59,060 --> 00:24:05,300 So I had fatigue headaches muscle aches and all of this and I have to say after I worked 299 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:13,060 Uh with dr. Mehta worked with me as a patient and really targeted that and once we were able to make all the epigenetic changes first 300 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:17,140 Being able to really bring in the foods which were therapeutic for me 301 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,580 balance out my meals actually get rid of a 302 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:24,420 Fasting cycle that I had it was a very extended fasting cycle 303 00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:27,700 So these are the changes that I made where food was concerned 304 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:33,300 Right and also supplementing after making all these changes and the result is today 305 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:37,220 I have a body that feels pleasant a mind that feels clear 306 00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:38,660 and 307 00:24:38,660 --> 00:24:43,780 Optimal energy flow so I can show up for myself do what I love and be there for my family and my loved ones 308 00:24:43,780 --> 00:24:45,780 And what what more is there in life? 309 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:47,940 Nothing 310 00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:50,020 That is the 40s 311 00:24:52,820 --> 00:24:58,260 I am came across an article. I think it's a very recent article. I don't know if it was out late last year or early this year 312 00:24:58,660 --> 00:25:00,420 but it stated that 313 00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,420 women have a more 314 00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:05,320 Susceptible to autoimmune because of a chromosome 315 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:13,640 The way the chromosomes are the xx chromosome as opposed to the xy chromosome. Can you explain that to us a little bit if you're 316 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,480 So yeah, i've been following that research as well 317 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:24,760 So what they did was they tested women with autoimmune disease and they tested men with clinfetters syndrome, which is 318 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,480 Which has got the super x 319 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,720 And these men were also predisposed to autoimmune disease 320 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,720 so what they found out that 321 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,000 certain gene loci in the x chromosome if 322 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,960 Women because they have two x chromosomes. Sometimes they are more 323 00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:49,080 Predisposed because a lot of these autoimmune diseases are found in the same loci 324 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,400 So they tested that with men who also have the super x chromosome 325 00:25:53,640 --> 00:26:00,120 So that's one of the reasons in terms of genetics why women are more predisposed not saying that men don't 326 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,160 But women because of this have more predisposition 327 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,240 It's crazy. Isn't it? 328 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,800 I would explain why you tend to hear more women suffering from autoimmune conditions as opposed to men 329 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:15,000 Yeah, if the if i'm not mistaken other stats at 80 percent of people who have 330 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,160 autoimmunity 331 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,840 Women, is that correct? I've read around 60 to 80 percent. Yeah 332 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,440 Yeah, that's crazy. But a majority no matter what right like yeah 333 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:30,440 I'm serious and I think one of the first things you said in this in this chat was about how you know women are being dismissed 334 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,240 And told that it's in their head and that and isn't it interesting right that the majority of us have this 335 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,560 meaning minority of men have it and therefore the 336 00:26:39,780 --> 00:26:43,640 Predominantly male medical community is telling us it's in our head and I think that that is 337 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,840 Yeah, it's such a powerful message for women who have consistently been told this about anything that they're feeling 338 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,160 You know my own mother was told this about her postpartum depression that it was all in her head 339 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,160 Just go home to your baby. You'll be fine 340 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,240 And isn't it interesting right that guess what this is an exclusively female problem, right? 341 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,520 Yeah, so yeah, I think this is the interesting dive with the with latest health science 342 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:11,160 You know where you can really target and personalize and see the facts for what they are and then make such specialized changes 343 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,920 That you can really help yourself. Yeah, and you've got that point out really all the medical research 344 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,640 Everything is for men 345 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,640 Like my man 346 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,200 So, yeah 347 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,960 but I think 348 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:32,440 We are in the research field working towards includes including more women in the studies and because 349 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,240 Even sports for that matter which you're doing 350 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:42,680 Nobody takes care of women are cycling and when would be the best time to for them to run that marathon or do that sport? 351 00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:48,440 Activity because the way our hormones change maybe there's a point in your cycle when you're best suited for that 352 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:55,240 But again, nobody's research says right there is such coming slowly in this whole field part of my work is on women 353 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:02,520 That are pregnant and postpartum weightlifting and there is no consensus on that because no one studies that because everyone wants 354 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,320 Exactly. So up to this point, I mean we have like very you know, really anecdotal studies 355 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,120 There was a study of like 14 cross-fitting moms 356 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,200 Well based on these 14 super fit women here's what we know 357 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,240 You know, but it's like we don't have the type of data that we need to get these messages out to women more 358 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,480 You know at the population level. Yes 359 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:29,720 True. Do you find that people tend to sort of functional health and functional medicine when conventional medicine can't help answer their questions? 360 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,440 And also how did you both? 361 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,960 Find yourself in this functional medicine field 362 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:43,400 Yeah, so I think um when they do get a diagnosis, um, whatever medications or biologics they are on 363 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,000 They have a huge role to play in symptom relief in 364 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,800 Getting them remission 365 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:55,160 Uh not, you know reducing inflammation if they have ra then not getting the joints destroyed 366 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,240 So they do get a lot of relief 367 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,600 But the problem is that a lot of times these biologics or medications don't work for everybody 368 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,600 So I see that a lot when medicine is not helping 369 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,960 I also see a lot when they have huge side effects 370 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,480 Obviously, these are medications which are affecting your immune system 371 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,920 They do come up with a lot of side effects. Um, and then they don't want to continue it because of the side effects 372 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Um, and also it's huge financial cost 373 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,360 A lot of these medications we are talking about 374 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,840 tens and thousands of dollars per year on medic on just helping 375 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,840 This autoimmune condition and now what i'm seeing is a lot of um 376 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,240 My patients are children 377 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:41,880 It's not just 30 year old 40 year old woman term and turning up in your clinic. These are 10 year old 378 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:49,720 Children who have let's say rare conditions like dermatomyositis. It's living for them as hell unless and until they don't take those medications 379 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,680 But i'm also getting a lot who is looking for, you know a different approach 380 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,320 than always 381 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,560 Taking a medication which is obviously helping them 382 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:07,320 but what else can I do to maybe reduce the dosage or prevent this from happening because my mother has hashimoto or 383 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:14,360 What can I do that? Um, you know, um, I ultimately get off the medications and take care of my disease 384 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:21,240 Of just naturally so that's where functional medicine plays a huge role and we generally slowly go in 385 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:28,060 Heal their body inside out see the medication dosage is falling. I've had great results thyroid hashimoto 386 00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:35,680 So antibodies literally falling down from thousands to 50s and 80s better still the symptoms gone. Yeah, they're on medication 387 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:42,080 Thyroxine but still have brain fog fatigue hair fall skin dry constipation anxiety 388 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,480 But you work on the root causes all these symptoms are going away 389 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,360 Yeah, there's a doctor and I wish I could give him proper credit 390 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:56,240 So I apologize for who said this originally but it was like there's two types of medications ones that have side effects and ones that don't work 391 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,520 There is no solution that's medicated that is without any side effects at all, right? 392 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,680 So there's always you know, complementary solutions that yeah, you know might be better 393 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,560 Yeah, and for me it coming in was very interesting 394 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:14,160 So I was this you know, working as a gyne very conventional medicine doctor had a 395 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,200 Tunnel vision, you know anybody who would come in 396 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,600 I was just focusing on uterus and ovaries and tubes and I really wasn't what they're about 397 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,680 What are her stress hormone levels like? What are her stress hormones? 398 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,480 Like what micronutrient deficiencies does she have does she have amalgam filling sitting in her mouth? 399 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,440 but now 400 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,240 You know this 401 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,320 Aspect that my mother was quite sick 402 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:43,120 It's like we're talking about she had all the cardio metabolic disorders right from cholesterol diabetes 403 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,720 Hypertension and cardiovascular disease and she also had ulcerative colitis and hypothyroidism 404 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,400 So, you know we can keep on increasing dosages insulin 405 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,160 and medications, but she was still not getting relief 406 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,880 So that's when I was like what else you know, I I am a doctor I should help her 407 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,280 um and 408 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,320 Literally, I had to sort out and find out what are the ways and I got into functional medicine 409 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,200 We did dna testing we did gut microbiome testing. We did food sensitivity testing 410 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,080 And all of that when you slowly work with a 70 year old lady 411 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,400 You know slowly get all those changes in it actually gave her a lot of relief 412 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,520 um, so that was my functional medicine journey where I was like, you know what I need to 413 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:37,040 Take this up. This is so exciting. This is so interesting and this is how chronic health diseases should be dealt with 414 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,800 Um, so that was my beginning it was 12 years ago now 415 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,200 And dr. Deepika, how about you? How what got you into this journey? Right? 416 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,320 So I hold a phd in genetics. So I was for a large part of my 417 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,120 Study my academics buried in a lab looking at how genes cause disease 418 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,760 and when uh 419 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,720 My daughter was in her late teens. She got an immune kind of condition 420 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,860 And I I mean she was subjected to so many antibiotics 421 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,840 Because the doctors just didn't know one wasn't working 422 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,600 They tried another and it became really bad her condition and ultimately as I was looking for answers 423 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,680 I went down the path of many 424 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:27,840 Alternate routes, but I always came to stumbling blocks because they didn't one is either they were not bedded in science 425 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:34,880 Or they were like they they were so kind of stringent where the expert was sitting there and giving 426 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,400 You know kind of tools that we couldn't really understand and then I attended a session 427 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:46,560 Uh held with the you know, dr. Menka was then a couple of other specialists and as I was uh listening to her 428 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,120 I realized because she spoke so much about the underlying root causes 429 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,800 And literally as she spoke I could start 430 00:33:55,420 --> 00:34:00,960 Identifying them and so I went I met her and then and that's when our journey started 431 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,720 You know, so I worked with her for a while and then I upscaled into mind body medicine as well as functional medicine 432 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,880 Health coaching and dna testing and now today that's what I do with her 433 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,520 And I must say what's really very close to my heart is functional medicine health coaching. It's really made me realize 434 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,800 I mean sometimes I think that when you sit and hold space for someone 435 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,800 and you 436 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,040 Listen to their story and you have dr. Menka so we have all the reports there 437 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,600 But then you turn the mic over to them and they start sharing you're actually like a mirror 438 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,720 and when you start hearing their story, it's 439 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:36,720 Easier to pick up their why? 440 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:40,160 Why is it that they want to make this change? What is it that they are really looking for? 441 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,760 and 442 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,000 Over time as you start making these changes 443 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,600 These step-by-step changes that ask that they are inspired to make and you look for barriers 444 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,520 And you you're able to do this you find that like over a period of time 445 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,560 They're actually able to realize what good health feels like and that is 446 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,040 Really? I think um 447 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,240 It's a game changer 448 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,240 So I think it really is about marrying the tools of 449 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,360 Uh hardcore functional medicine if I can call it that 450 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,840 Along with all the soft skills of empathy and compassion and listening and you know bringing bringing 451 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,800 All that to the table and realizing that at the end of the day fundamentally 452 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,600 It is their lifestyle. That's medicine. It's them as they make those changes 453 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,480 That's what changes the body's intelligence, right? 454 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,880 And then you supplement them to help further 455 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,880 you know, so 456 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,760 Uh, it's a beautiful journey. Can I just ask a quick follow-up? Yeah, what happened with your daughter's condition? 457 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:46,160 Okay. Now this is I mean, I'm aware of privacy issues. I'm not saying much but I will say one thing 458 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,080 That it was very telling she had like gut issues and all of that. Okay, and while she was under my watch 459 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,480 So this is where the soft skills come in. I one of the biggest things that I pick I can pick up about myself now 460 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,480 Because I carry the warrior gene 461 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:06,720 Okay, so I have a warrior gene my tendency with my family has been not just a helicopter 462 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,360 But my body language has literally been one of anxiousness and fear 463 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:17,920 And as dr. Menka kind of put a protocol out for her. We had all the testing we had everything 464 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,320 She didn't make many changes 465 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,800 Okay, and nothing changed nothing changed and it was when she went away 466 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,640 To London and she was down. That's when she like now she calls me up and she's like my guess what? 467 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,160 I've gone sugar-free, you know 468 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,160 And I'm feeling so so much better because now that I'm sugar-free. I really feel it helps me when I get my periods 469 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:43,680 You know, I don't have those mood swings. She's making the connections. I love that. I really love that 470 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,760 Like yeah 471 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,160 The age at which she was diagnosed with the condition 472 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,720 Yeah, that's why I asked what the follow-up was because I was like this is there's so many factors in there 473 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,880 I can't pubertsence and just teenage angst and you know all these things all together. It's wonderful to hear 474 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,920 Yeah, and I can't tell you that was the time I I actually went into mindfulness 475 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,920 And I think it came a little too late because I think when she left home, she was able to make these changes but with my 476 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:17,360 Family at home. I've realized what it means and with clients what it means to actually take a step step back and just go into 477 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,360 deep listening and reflecting mode 478 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,160 Because when that moment of realization comes for them and even if it's such a small step 479 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,920 Whatever that step may be it may be something as simple as saying 480 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,680 I don't want to snack after dinner and they do that for a month brush their teeth after dinner 481 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,600 I've had clients who've come in and said that's all I'm going to do for one week 482 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,720 I'm just going to brush my teeth. So that's my my brain understands 483 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,360 That I'm not going to eat after dinner 484 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,960 So I have a good intermittent fast of at least 12 hours 485 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,920 And when you do that for a week and you come back and you realize wow, I'm really feeling better because I wake up in the morning 486 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,880 feeling not so kind of bloated 487 00:37:53,600 --> 00:38:00,560 So that those aha moments is what I really you know, it starts making you realize lifestyle is fundamentally your medicine 488 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,320 Yeah 489 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:08,800 Definitely and and it's it's just incredible, you know, because I think when you are younger, you're just like, okay 490 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,840 Just give me whatever pills 491 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:17,120 I remember when I first started taking thyroxine someone said to me, oh my god, you're going to be so skinny afterwards 492 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,640 I was like, yeah, this is gonna be amazing and then nothing happened and I was like hold on a minute 493 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,120 Why has there been no change? 494 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,800 Because my lifestyle didn't change and you need to be able to make those decisions and when you're ready 495 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,080 Make those decisions yourself. Like you mentioned that, you know, you were helping your 70 year old mother 496 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,800 My dad has got some issues now, but the thing is I don't think he wants to change and 497 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:48,480 As a child or even my mom we can't force him because he has to want to be able to do it for himself 498 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,720 And I think figuring out your why like you mentioned is going to be sort of key within your journey to heal 499 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,040 true 500 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,440 Thank you so much for for joining us today 501 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,640 It's been absolutely amazing having you both here and hearing you talk about your life and your life 502 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,200 Here and hearing your expertise 503 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,320 But before we finish we do want to ask one final question and that's what's your 40s formula 504 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:19,520 What word of advice or mantra would you like to share with our listeners about how they can thrive within their 40s? 505 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,000 Thank you 506 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,000 Want me to go? Okay. I have it 507 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,780 So I have to say that i'm in my fabulous 50s 508 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,760 So you're the best position to look back and let us know 509 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,880 Yeah, yeah. So for me it's I actually came up with an acronym, which I know that dr 510 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,880 Menka's husband arun loves 511 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,240 Which has been I think my mantra which is aim 512 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,500 So awareness so first being able to have a sense of non-judgment non-judgmental 513 00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:51,040 compassionate awareness 514 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,600 As to the space where the stage of change where you're at 515 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,200 This is where i'm at with that sense of acceptance because this is you're starting from this point, right? 516 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,360 and then I for 517 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,480 Intention, what is my intention? So the moment that you know, you kind of make that tweak into 518 00:40:07,340 --> 00:40:11,620 Intentionally living with purpose being able to align with curiosity 519 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,560 Life starts opening up for you 520 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,320 and then m 521 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,360 making 522 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,960 Literally making a action step. I mean, it's not really good grammar, but 523 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,760 Being able to make a goal step 524 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:30,560 So actually putting your body and your mind where your mouth is or your where your mind is like literally taking that step forward 525 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,920 To start making those changes. So step by step change leads to long term 526 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:44,880 You know sustainability in terms of body's intelligent and the mind's intelligence shifting and if I can end with three f's 527 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,960 It would be ultimately having a fit body 528 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,040 free mind 529 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,040 A full heart, okay for it for it and a flowing 530 00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:02,480 Spirit where you live with a sense of joy for yourself and your family and your loved ones and the world at large 531 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,720 I love that 40s formula. Yeah 532 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,640 Yeah, i'll say two lines which I think has been my mantra uh since I got into my 40s 533 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,400 Um, so look forward in life. The past has gone 534 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,040 Today is a present 535 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,880 Uh make the most out of it. So I think just live in the present 536 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:31,760 You know live the best life here again. That's incredible. And I think everyone everyone needs to take that on board for sure 537 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,320 So thank you again. It was wonderful 538 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,200 Thanks so much. Thank you so much 539 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,040 This is paul our editor 540 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:49,040 He's a 25 year old unmarried singaporean guy listening to the ramblings of 12 older women on everything from menopause to weightlifting to sex 541 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:55,600 So paul, what's your thoughts on today's conversation? Hey guys, what's up paul here? So for this episode 542 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,900 You know dr manca and dr depica. They kind of talked about autoimmune disease hush emotes 543 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,920 And the thing that resonated to me the most I guess would be the five pillars of health, you know 544 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,280 physical health sleep habits mental health social health and 545 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000 Very importantly as well nutrition. So to which i'm kind of guilty with, you know 546 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,800 Sleeping habits because i'm pretty poor sleeping habits and I guess 547 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,560 Nutrition in in the way I kind of eat what I want because oh this is kind of bad 548 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,720 But i'm not really very healthy eating in the first place 549 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:27,760 So yeah, I think I guess it's something for me to work on, you know in the whole holistic 550 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,280 Sense of health I guess so catch you guys in the next one. See you 551 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,640 Guys, you know how much we love coffee and if you want to share some love, you know, you can get us one 552 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,820 Just visit buymeacoffee.com 553 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,840 slash the 40s formula 554 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,840 Before we go, please remember 555 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,440 To hit subscribe and take a moment to support the 40s formula by leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform 556 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,400 Your reviews will help us to reach more people and allow us to continue to bring valuable content 557 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,440 It should only take a moment and it's a free way for you to support the show 558 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:06,480 You can also stay updated with the 40s formula by following us on instagram at the 40s formula all one word 559 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,560 We share behind-the-scenes insights episode updates and much more. So please be sure to hit that follow button 560 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:19,520 We appreciate your time and support. Thank you for being part of this community and we'll be back next week for more empowering conversations with inspiring guests 561 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:42,320 Bye 562 00:43:49,520 --> 00:44:07,060 How about you two how did you get together 563 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:14,480 The story comes up every single time. So we're part of a networking group launch pad. I don't know if you're familiar with it and 564 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,240 We're both in the same field. We're both nutrition coaches and 565 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:22,240 Okay, and we met up for coffee. We had this great vibe 566 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,480 The coffee like went way over like we had a lot of each other an hour, you know 567 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,360 Because it was one of those like let's get a coffee. Okay, we'll have a coffee with this person 568 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:35,040 And then it was like, oh actually we definitely have something to talk about and we talked and talked and talked and then it was 569 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,080 Just so clear that you know, though we are in the same industry 570 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,800 We have different perspectives and we have different backstories 571 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,080 So we thought this would be cool that we can connect our shared expertise 572 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,000 But come at it from two different angles and that's kind of how the you know 573 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,680 Main host co-hosting of all that we trade off main host co-hosting duties 574 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,560 So that one of us can just truly be here as an active listener 575 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,920 Yep, you know and just really interact with you know with the guests in the conversation 576 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,880 And then one of us is obviously the main interviewer. Yeah, and sort of directing the conversation and but yeah 577 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,120 Yeah 578 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,120 so that's that yeah, it was just something that 579 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:12,560 It felt like we had a good vibe and we thought it would work to get women who have you know expertise and specialists in 580 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,480 in particular areas 581 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,880 For women's health and not just you know, like eat and exercise right? 582 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,120 You know, it was more to it than that like let's let's give women tools and specifics and things they can do actionably 583 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,840 You know rather than just like have a chat about health, right? 584 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,920 Which we're all marginally interested in but what we really want right? We're all busy 585 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:36,080 It's like we want takeaways and we want to know what we can do today. What's in our power? 586 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:42,160 Exactly. So hopefully we provide that with our episodes. That's what we try to do