1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,800 I saw this meme right on Instagram and it was like, you know, 30 year old goes into 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,720 the Botox doc and is like, you know, am I going to look younger? 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,080 And he was like, no, you're going to look like all the other 30 year olds also getting 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,080 Botox. 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,080 It's a specific look. 6 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,080 It's not a look of youth. 7 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,080 It's a look of freeze. 8 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,080 Yes, it is. 9 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,080 Yeah. 10 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,640 That being said, I am a very proud and ardent Botox user. 11 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:20,640 So that's great. 12 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:21,640 You can't tell. 13 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,280 So you don't look like you've got, you know, you've had laser Botox. 14 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,200 That's a big thanks to my husband because he does it. 15 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,200 That's good to know. 16 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,200 I shall back that up. 17 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Yeah, yeah. 18 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:49,200 After this recording, we'll have a little chat. 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,760 Hello and welcome to the 40s Formula, your go to place for insightful discussions on 20 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,280 navigating your 40s and thriving in this transformative decade. 21 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,840 We're your hosts, Amanda and Jasmine, two women that are passionate about exploring 22 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:14,120 the challenges and adventures that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead. 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,720 With two decades of experience in the industry, Kelly Richardson is a multifaceted professional, 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,360 a makeup artist, hairstylist and semi-permanent makeup artist. 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,000 Her prowess in fashion and photography have landed her editorial features in prestigious 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:34,880 publications such as Vogue, Tatler Asia and various London magazines. 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,040 As a key figure at the London School of Makeup and with her background and backstage work 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,520 at London Fashion Week, Kelly thrives in high pressure environments and offers personalized 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:50,960 one to one makeup lessons to help women incorporate feeling their best into their everyday lives. 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,800 Having called Singapore home for six years, Kelly is also a devoted mother to energetic 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,440 tween twins. 32 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:02,520 When she's not reveling in the joys of motherhood, you can find her immersed in literature, enjoying 33 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,320 leisurely strolls or indulging in the occasional Netflix binge. 34 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,920 So every season here on the 40s Formula, I am a little bit more excited for a few episodes 35 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:12,920 and others. 36 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:14,680 And today is that episode for me. 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,600 Kelly Richardson is here, a makeup artist and professional. 38 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,920 I cannot wait to hear all the tips that you have for aging and mature skin. 39 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:23,480 And we get to talk about makeup in general. 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,480 So welcome, Kelly. 41 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,760 Thanks for having me. 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,760 Thank you. 43 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,720 And you know, makeup in general can be a bit of a divisive topic for women in their 40s. 44 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,520 I do feel like there's the camp of this is a time to embrace our natural beauty. 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,040 This is a time that we need to stop wearing makeup and really focus on, you know, other 46 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,040 things. 47 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,720 And then there's women like myself who are like makeup is the backbone of my healthy 48 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,760 aging process because it can, you know, hide and mask some of the imperfections. 49 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,840 What do you think is the role of makeup for women in this decade? 50 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,080 I mean, you know, why can't we have both? 51 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,760 I really, you know, there's days that I love wearing makeup. 52 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,120 There's days where I just can't be bothered. 53 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,080 I don't have the time or the inclination. 54 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,560 But I do find because people are so used to seeing me wearing makeup when I don't, I get 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:07,760 the oh, you look tired. 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:08,760 Are you OK? 57 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,240 Are you stressed? 58 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,720 So what I think, well, for me personally, I like the kind of the no makeup makeup, you 59 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,600 know, a bit of concealer or a bit of blush, a little bit of mascara, you know, use some 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:25,240 like eyelash curlers, make your eyes look bigger and actually more awake. 61 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,960 And then you're you're still looking bare faced. 62 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:36,560 I do go out bare faced and I really admire women that are completely makeup free. 63 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,280 I still like to have that little bit of armor because I feel like when I have a little bit 64 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,880 of makeup on, I feel like I look better and then I feel more confident and I project more 65 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,200 confidence in as well. 66 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,280 Plus, also, it's my job. 67 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,920 So people see me without makeup on their own. 68 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,640 I'm a bit surprised. 69 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,720 Yeah, for me, it's I feel like I'm a lazy girl. 70 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,520 Like I don't have the time to wear makeup. 71 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,920 But I was just saying to Amanda actually earlier today that when I first got married, I would 72 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,800 always wear eyeliner except for certain days where, you know, I'd forget or I didn't have 73 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,520 time and my mother in law would always bring up, oh, you look tired today. 74 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:08,520 I'm like, oh, charming. 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,920 You know, this is this is my face. 76 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,480 This is how I look. 77 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,000 But now what I find is I've had my eyelashes done. 78 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 That's like the one thing. 79 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,840 And I'm like, right now I don't need to do anything. 80 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:22,120 I'll put on some CC cream. 81 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,360 I actually made an effort for you today, Kelly. 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:32,000 But generally, I just I feel like I don't have the time for it. 83 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:37,380 So what would you say for someone who doesn't really have the time? 84 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:38,960 How can you do things quickly? 85 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,200 OK, so yeah, I mean, you said CC cream. 86 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,880 That's my kind of my staple go to. 87 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,680 I love a good CC cream, but a tiny bit. 88 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,520 You don't need to put loads of makeup on, you know, really kind of, you know, moisturize 89 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,200 your skin, stay at the sun. 90 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,720 That's the biggest kind of, you know, aging as well. 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,400 You know, is the is the UV damage. 92 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,480 I always walk around with an umbrella, even in the sun. 93 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,520 Yeah, good CC cream, a little bit of it. 94 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,780 Cream blush just gives a little bit of life to your skin, lifts your skin. 95 00:05:13,780 --> 00:05:15,320 It's hydrating. 96 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,200 We don't want loads of powder and stuff on our skin as we get older because it clings 97 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:24,280 into any fine lines and makes us just look, you know, washed out. 98 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:27,620 Just comb through your eyebrows, even if you don't put anything on them, even just combing 99 00:05:27,620 --> 00:05:33,800 them through can just make you look a little bit more groomed and a bit of concealer. 100 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:34,800 Just always. 101 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,800 I didn't even know that was a thing combing your eyebrows. 102 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Exactly. 103 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,800 Jasmin's like, let me just pause this for a second. 104 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,920 Hey, Amanda, do you know of a really easy way to give your kids some good gut bacteria? 105 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,920 I do indeed. 106 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,000 I'm giving my family a Keezy Wellness Elderberry Boost. 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,420 They come in these little sachets. 108 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:53,320 You just rip them open, pour it right in your mouth. 109 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,320 That sounds like fun. 110 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,520 And I bet I could add that to their smoothies and some Greek yogurt, too. 111 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,080 And what I love about a Keezy is that you can take it any time of day and there's a 112 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,040 product for all ages, even my 12 week old little guy. 113 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,440 A Keezy believe that food is medicine, so you know the products are clean and have no 114 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,440 gums and fillers. 115 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:13,960 They also take a science forward approach and include pre, post, probiotics, as well 116 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:14,960 as polyphenols. 117 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,520 And the best thing is you can get 15% off full price items with free delivery when you 118 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,880 use code 40 at checkout for any purchases in Singapore from their website, a Keezy Wellness 119 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:25,880 dot com. 120 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,280 And don't forget to check out their new a Keezy Berry and a Keezy Tropical Flavours, 121 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:30,280 too. 122 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:31,280 Now back to the chat. 123 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:37,840 Even if you're combing them through, just like can make you look a little bit more polished. 124 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,360 So you can be as quick as that. 125 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,920 You mentioned, you know, like not putting on so much powder. 126 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,960 Are there other like telltale signs that you're out of touch and old? 127 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,280 Like what are the things that you want to avoid when you have mature skin? 128 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:55,000 Yeah, I think, you know, too much powder and too much makeup as well. 129 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,840 You know, I encounter so many women that, you know, they're pumping loads of makeup 130 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:02,040 and putting it all over. 131 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,120 It just looks when it looks heavy, it looks like a mask and it's just not natural. 132 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,280 I think as we get older, less is definitely more. 133 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:15,840 Just using maybe different products that, you know, we used to use in our 20s or 30s. 134 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:21,040 I used to use quite a heavy foundation, obviously, you know, before I moved to Singapore as well. 135 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,640 If I put that on here, it would make me look like, you know, like I've been dug up really 136 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,200 thick, not to mention, you know, getting really hot and having like kind of like lines running 137 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,840 down it where I'm constantly mopping my face. 138 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,280 But you can there's so many good products on the market now. 139 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,920 So even like if you do use a little powder just to kind of set your foundation, there's 140 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,180 like hyaluronic powders which are hydrating. 141 00:07:44,180 --> 00:07:49,840 So they don't make you look powdery and give you that kind of mask like finish. 142 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:55,360 Also cream blushers, cream blushers, cream, everything is just so much softer on the skin 143 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,520 and just makes the skin look plump and hydrated. 144 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,080 You know, we don't want to look we don't want that kind of matte finish, you know, that 145 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,640 we that, you know, looks great when you're younger. 146 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:06,640 Yeah. 147 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,640 Well, and to that end, right. 148 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,100 So, OK, you don't want to use too many products. 149 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:12,960 So I'm always interested in the semi permanent makeup, right. 150 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,520 So it's like if I don't want to do my eyebrows every day, for example, should I get the micro 151 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,520 bladed? 152 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,200 I want to have some kind of like contrast for my lips. 153 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,400 Should I get them tattooed? 154 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,680 What's your take on the semi permanent makeup stuff? 155 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:29,640 So I mean, you know, a lot of us, well, most of us, you know, followed that 90s trend and 156 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,840 completely over plucked eyebrows in the 90s. 157 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,000 And you can I can always, you know, look at somebody and age them by the shape of their 158 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,800 eyebrows in the 60s. 159 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,880 But you know, I mean, it's great as we get older, our eyesight starts to go. 160 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,120 And, you know, we need to be in that, you know, the magnifying mirror. 161 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,360 And I've got these ridiculous glasses that, you know, have one lens and I can flip it 162 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,120 to the other side so that I can try and see one eye. 163 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,120 But then you can't get the brush there. 164 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,800 So then I have to turn them upside down. 165 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,080 And I mean, I'm probably absolutely ridiculous when I'm putting on my makeup. 166 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,600 So it's great if you, you know, if you can't see what you're doing. 167 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,960 Also, yeah, if you can't be bothered, you know, if you don't want to draw them in and 168 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:16,520 they are too thin or eyebrows can completely transform somebody's face, you know, and I 169 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:22,280 look back at photos of me when I was, you know, over plucked them to now and they're 170 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,960 so thin and they, you know, I kind of like look really surprised. 171 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Yeah. 172 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,440 But making sure you use the right technique is paramount. 173 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,640 So there's two different techniques. 174 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,640 One is kind of microblading, which mimics the actual hair strokes. 175 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,540 So it looks really, really natural. 176 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:45,360 The other one is like a powder finish, which here they call embroidery, which is done with 177 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,920 a machine and that just looks like they've been softly filled in with powder. 178 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:49,920 That's what I have. 179 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,880 But yeah, and they look great and it's getting the color right. 180 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,560 You know, if they go too dark, they look really unnatural. 181 00:09:55,560 --> 00:10:00,600 Powder finish is better on more mature skin and oilier skin because the microblading can 182 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,280 kind of fade in between, you know, if you've got kind of quite lines, a lot of lines or 183 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,640 wrinkles or crepey skin, it can kind of blend in with that. 184 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,680 So it's just making sure that you get the right technique for yourself. 185 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:13,240 We were watching the Mummy. 186 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,040 Does anybody remember that movie? 187 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,480 The one with Brandon Fraser. 188 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,440 And my husband was like, God, she looks really weird. 189 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:22,440 And I'm like, it's her eyebrows. 190 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,440 They're like pencil thin. 191 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:24,440 Rachel Weiss. 192 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:25,440 Yes, that's it. 193 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:26,440 And he was like, Oh my God. 194 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,560 I never, hey guys, I couldn't put my finger quite on what was wrong with her. 195 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:35,160 But yeah, now that you pointed out her eyebrows, I can really see it. 196 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,600 I just watched the Pamela and Tommy. 197 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:40,600 Hers was like a pinstripe. 198 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,000 That was the trend. 199 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,120 It was like, yeah, really, you know, pluck them all out and then pencil them on really, 200 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,120 really thin. 201 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:54,120 But also, yeah, again, as we get older, you know, we start losing color from our lips. 202 00:10:54,120 --> 00:11:00,200 So you know, the lip line can kind of disappear a little bit or we can get hyperpigmentation 203 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,160 where it discolors. 204 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,080 So lip blushing is great for that. 205 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,640 You know, I often get people going, but I don't want them to look bright red. 206 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,360 You know, I don't want to wake up looking like I'm wearing red lipstick. 207 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,060 When the procedure is first done, the color is intense. 208 00:11:14,060 --> 00:11:19,120 But then as it fades, like over, you know, the next kind of several weeks, it just fades 209 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,740 to like a really natural lip color. 210 00:11:21,740 --> 00:11:24,400 So it can even out the skin tone. 211 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,440 You can redefine the lip line a little bit. 212 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,880 You never go over the lip line because the skin on your lips is different to the skin 213 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:32,880 on your face. 214 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,120 So if you go over the lip line, then you're just going to look like you kind of penciled 215 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,680 over it, which is again, really unnatural. 216 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:45,520 So semi-permanent makeup is just to enhance, again, what you already got. 217 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,680 You know, eyeliner, a really thin line in the lash line makes your eyes look bigger. 218 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:58,440 I never do a flick unless I'm covering up a flick that somebody's already had done before. 219 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,440 I quite like a flick. 220 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,440 But I'm coming at it forever. 221 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,520 You can add that with a bit of liquid liner for a night out. 222 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,560 Do you want to wake up looking like that every morning? 223 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:12,440 And always go like a dark brown, brown-black. 224 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,300 Black, the undertone for black is blue. 225 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:22,560 So this is why so many people's eyeliner goes like that kind of bluey-gray color over time 226 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:26,880 because that's the undertone of the pigment. 227 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,400 And then also what's popular now is like a kind of a blush, like a fading of like a little 228 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,880 bit of eyeshadow just in the corner. 229 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,280 That's really great for older skin as well because it kind of covers up some of the crepey-ness 230 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,280 on the eyelids. 231 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,280 I've never heard of that technique. 232 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,280 What is that technique called? 233 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,120 It's just part of the embroidery. 234 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,280 So it can be done with a machine or by hand. 235 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:55,000 And it just gives like where the line is and then just looks like a little bit of a soft 236 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000 eyeshadow. 237 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,080 I've never even heard of that. 238 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,760 See, I'm out of the loop. 239 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,560 I love the idea of all of this because again it's sort of no fuss makeup, but I'm shit 240 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:07,040 scared of needles. 241 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,760 So does everything require needles? 242 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Does it hurt? 243 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,760 No, it shouldn't hurt. 244 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:24,720 So the process is that I would measure, draw, remeasure, make sure everything is as symmetrical 245 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:25,720 as possible. 246 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:31,040 No one's face is completely symmetrical, but as symmetrical as it can possibly be. 247 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,680 And then numbing cream is applied. 248 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:37,400 That's left on for at least half an hour. 249 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,040 And then the skin is tested to see if you can feel it. 250 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,960 Once the skin is fully numb, then the procedure starts. 251 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,120 So you shouldn't feel a thing. 252 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,720 I say to all of my clients, the minute you feel anything, you put your hand up and we'll 253 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,280 stop and we'll reapply numbing cream. 254 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,160 So it shouldn't hurt at any time at all. 255 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,160 Most of my clients fall asleep while they're having it done. 256 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,560 Anything that makes you fall asleep is a thumbs up in my book. 257 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:05,120 So we got our first tip, which is a little bit of concealer and a little bit of CC cream. 258 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,680 Then our second tip is if you want to go get the semi-permanent, what's your opinion then 259 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:14,120 on the next tip of Botox fillers, lip fillers? 260 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,600 Where does that play a role? 261 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:23,280 So I've seen some fabulous results with Botox and fillers on people where you can't see 262 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,440 it and I think it looks great if it's done properly. 263 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,960 I never say never. 264 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:36,880 I do personally think that people have it done too early and some people go over the 265 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,400 top and it starts to look unnatural. 266 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,600 Ironically, then it makes them look older because you can see that they've had a procedure 267 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,600 done to try and make themselves look younger. 268 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:53,520 So having too much Botox, the head goes really tight and shiny or having that extra bit of 269 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,660 lip filler, the lips look unnatural and they don't close properly. 270 00:14:57,660 --> 00:15:02,320 So I think in moderation, it's amazing and like I say, I've seen people have fantastic 271 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,000 results and you wouldn't even know. 272 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:13,560 But when they go a little bit too far, that's when it's working against you. 273 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,560 I was actually having a conversation with my friend yesterday who asked me, oh, would 274 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,320 you get Botox done? 275 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,640 And for me, I know what I'm like, so I said, I will just see more of my flaws. 276 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,400 So I think when someone gets it done first, it looks incredible, like your skin looks 277 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,160 flawless and it's like, oh, that looks so nice. 278 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,240 And then another ring will appear and I'll be like, oh, I think I need to get done here 279 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,960 now or I need to do this. 280 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,320 And I think the more I do it, the more I'm going to feel like I need to do it. 281 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,480 And then I'll just end up looking like Sylvester Stallone's mum. 282 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,960 So that's what I don't want. 283 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:41,960 No, I agree. 284 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:42,960 I agree. 285 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,840 And I see, you know, that I think especially when people, you know, have the lips done, 286 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,680 they have a little bit in the kind of the lip line just to kind of smooth out those 287 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,480 fine lines and it looks amazing. 288 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,680 But then you get used to what you look like in the mirror. 289 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,680 So then when you have it done again, you're like, oh, just have a little bit more. 290 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,320 And then it's a little bit more and a bit more and a bit more and a bit more until, 291 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,880 you know, it's really unnatural. 292 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:05,880 You're no longer you. 293 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:06,880 No, no. 294 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,480 I mean, I'm like, OK, I never say never. 295 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,480 I haven't done it yet. 296 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,520 But, you know, I do think girls that are having it done in their 20s and 30s, it's like, where 297 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:16,520 do you go from there? 298 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,520 Yeah. 299 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,360 You know, the next thing you're going to be, you know, in your 40s and looking for a full 300 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:21,360 facelift. 301 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,960 So I saw this meme right on Instagram and it was like, you know, 30 year old goes into 302 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,360 the Botox doc and is like, you know, am I going to look younger than my am I going to 303 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,360 look younger? 304 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,720 And he was like, no, you're going to look like all the other 30 year olds also getting Botox. 305 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,000 It's a specific look. 306 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,200 It's not a look of youth. 307 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,200 It's a look of freeze. 308 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,200 Yes, it is. 309 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,200 Yeah. 310 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,280 That being said, I am a very proud and ardent Botox user. 311 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:44,280 So that's great. 312 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,280 You can't tell. 313 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,880 So you don't look you don't look like you've got, you know, you've had laser Botox. 314 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,080 That's a big thanks to my husband because he does it. 315 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,080 That's good to know. 316 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,080 I shall. 317 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Yeah. 318 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,000 After this recording, we'll have a little chat. 319 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,400 So Jasmine, you're all about that low carb life, right? 320 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,400 Yep. 321 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,400 Have been for a while now. 322 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,680 So I assume your groceries look a lot like our groceries. 323 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,600 Lots of fish, tons of meat. 324 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,040 Sounds super similar to our house. 325 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,200 Honestly, we get the best cuts of meat from the Meat Club, the premier online source for 326 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,000 top quality Australian and New Zealand produce right here in Singapore. 327 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Yeah. 328 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,700 We also love the Meat Club because they have a subscription service, which makes sure we 329 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:22,460 don't spend too much time shopping and meal planning. 330 00:17:22,460 --> 00:17:24,640 The meat just arrives. 331 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,440 And as a thank you to all of our listeners, new customers can get $12 off their first 332 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,920 order by using discount code TFF12 with no minimum spend discounts only valid through 333 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,120 their website, the meatclub.com.sg. 334 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:41,200 And for more updates, recipes and special offers, don't forget to follow the Meat Club 335 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,320 on Instagram at the Meat Club SG. 336 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,320 And now back to the conversation. 337 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,040 But in so OK, so exactly I think this is kind of in the same vein, right? 338 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,440 So it's like women are wondering, should I do the plunge of Botox or should I do the 339 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,840 plunge of lip fillers on a less permanent scale? 340 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,880 What do you think about like the contouring trends? 341 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,360 You know, should I do this like highlight and contour thing? 342 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:03,520 Or have I missed the boat now in my 40s? 343 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:04,520 No. 344 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,880 And I'm glad you asked this because I get asked this all the time. 345 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:13,280 And I think it's because we are so inundated with all of these reels constantly telling 346 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,640 us how we should be contouring. 347 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:21,440 You know, and yeah, I mean, they look amazing in the in a room with a ring light on them, 348 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,160 you know, but if you saw them walking down Orchard on a Saturday, they'd look like a 349 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,360 cross between a drag queen and a tiger. 350 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:29,640 Because it looks face to it. 351 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,000 I mean, all that stripes. 352 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,960 Plus, it's so much makeup. 353 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,760 I watch them and I feel like my face can't breathe when I see them. 354 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,960 I hurt for you. 355 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,920 So I mean, I love contouring, but it needs to be just done in the right place. 356 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,840 So it's just product placement. 357 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,720 You know, highlighting and shading is to create an illusion. 358 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:54,240 You know, all of the heavy contouring is actually a really is a photographic makeup look, which 359 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:59,280 looks incredible in a studio with lights or black and white makeup. 360 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,420 But it just doesn't transfer to real life. 361 00:19:01,420 --> 00:19:06,880 So it's just learning where the product goes and how to use it. 362 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:12,120 Every and you know, that's one of the things I do is I show people how to like how to put 363 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:18,000 that makeup on, how to where to put the highlighter, where to put the bronzer so that it just lifts 364 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,880 your face and you know, rather than totally change like totally changes your face. 365 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,640 You know, makeup should just enhance what you naturally have, not completely change 366 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,640 your appearance. 367 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,400 And I've seen those people who are like, oh, I'm going to turn into Johnny Depp or, you 368 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,960 know, I'm going to look like so and so. 369 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,080 And you're like, shit, you really do. 370 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,760 And it's crazy what makeup can do. 371 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,680 But what I've seen recently actually on Instagram, and I don't know why it's always popping up 372 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,080 on mine, but it's saying, oh, you know, concealers are out. 373 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,560 When you use concealer, you need to use some kind of color corrector. 374 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,560 Is that the right thing? 375 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,560 Is that something different? 376 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,320 Like, is and what do they mean by concealers are out? 377 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,400 So I think it just depends. 378 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:03,480 So you know, if you've got color correctors are great to so I'll explain a little bit 379 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,480 about color corrector. 380 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,340 So you've got something that's green and then something that's red that opposite to each 381 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:09,940 other on the color wheel. 382 00:20:09,940 --> 00:20:11,600 So they'll cancel each other out. 383 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,400 So you know, you always used to see those kind of green makeups and be like, what's 384 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,400 that for? 385 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,080 So if somebody had a little bit of rosacea, so their cheeks are a little bit pink, you 386 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:25,320 would put a tiny bit of the green on before foundation and the green, you shouldn't see 387 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,320 it. 388 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,560 It would just cancel out the red. 389 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,560 Okay. 390 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,440 Under the eyes, people tend to go with the gray or blue. 391 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,880 So if you're a little bit blue under the eyes, then you would go something more orange toned. 392 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,240 And then if you're more gray, then something more pink toned. 393 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:46,080 But color corrector should only be used if there is a deep enough color that needs to 394 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,760 be corrected. 395 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,080 If you know, if there's no difference in your skin tone, you just got a little bit of, you 396 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,080 know, we've all got a little bit of shadow under our eyes. 397 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:01,520 But if you use a color corrector that when you don't need it, that's all you'll see. 398 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,960 So then instead of having like a sharp slight shadow, you'll have orange under your eyes, 399 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,700 you know, or too much pink. 400 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:11,360 So it just depends on each skin, what you're what you need. 401 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,240 I mean, there's no one size fits all for makeup. 402 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,080 It's very much an individual thing. 403 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,520 You know, we've all got different skin tone, or we've got a different feature that we like 404 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,600 or, you know, or that we don't like something we want to flaunt or something we want to 405 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,600 minimize. 406 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:31,880 But concealers, you know, go something that's kind of like gives a bit of cover, but it's 407 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:38,000 light reflecting because that will push away, you know, any signs of like wrinkles or darkness 408 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000 as well. 409 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Yeah. 410 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,360 And I think that's what's so cool about what you do, Kelly, is I think people think makeup 411 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,360 artists. 412 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,200 So if I'm getting married, I get my makeup done, or if I have a photo shoot, I get my 413 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,200 makeup done. 414 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,460 But you're more of a coach. 415 00:21:49,460 --> 00:21:54,760 You're more of let me put together a process for you that is sustainable for your daily 416 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,760 life. 417 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,200 And I think that's a misconception that a lot of people have about makeup is that it's 418 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,000 only for special occasions or it's only for a look. 419 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,280 Whereas like, I think what you do is so cool, because it's like, let me show you how to 420 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,800 look snatched every day. 421 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,440 You know, just in a very natural way. 422 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,440 Yeah. 423 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,000 So, you know, I mean, I take people through like a lesson where we start off with just 424 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,600 a very natural day look, and then how you can ramp it up, you know, for the evening. 425 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,800 So you can do that 10 minute makeup in the morning. 426 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,120 Or if you've got like, you know, an hour where you want to really kind of go for it for a 427 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:29,200 night out, then you've got the tools and the techniques to do all of that. 428 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,280 You know, I fill out a little face chart as we're going along, so that you end up with 429 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,700 like a personalized paint by numbers. 430 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:38,520 So that's your guide and shopping list. 431 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,840 And so you've kind of you've got everything there, you can pin it up onto the mirror, 432 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,200 and you can, you know, OK, that's my next step. 433 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,160 And you know, all it takes is a bit of practice. 434 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,440 The more you do it, the better you become at it. 435 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,400 So and then it just becomes, you know, second nature and you can do it quicker and quicker 436 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,400 and quicker. 437 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,480 I came across this article, which I think was actually more of a research study. 438 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,000 But what they did was they had women either go out with no makeup, doing their own makeup, 439 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,120 or having it professionally done. 440 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:10,640 And obviously, it was the results were that the people had professionally done appeared 441 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,880 to be more, I guess, prominent and confident. 442 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,120 And and I think that must really sort of help with, I guess, people's confidence as well, 443 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,840 because, you know, you feel better because it's done properly. 444 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,600 But when you do it yourself, I feel like not everyone knows because it's an art, isn't 445 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,600 it? 446 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,040 At the end of the day, it's like not everyone is an artist. 447 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,080 Most of us have been doing the same thing since we've done in our 20s. 448 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,980 You know, and we don't know how to change it or we're scared to change it or, you know, 449 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:41,000 we know that color suits me or this product suits me. 450 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,360 But actually, as we get older, our skin changes, our eyes get crepey or droopy, our lips change 451 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:49,400 color, you know, everything, everything changes. 452 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,800 So, you know, you need to find things that, you know, suit your skin now. 453 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:59,240 Not, you know, I mean, when I was like, you know, in my 20s, it was Rimmel, Heather lipstick. 454 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,240 Oh, yeah, Rimmel. 455 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,240 I mean, oh, if I put that on now. 456 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,240 Blue eyeliner. 457 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,240 Oh, gosh. 458 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,240 I've looked like blue mascara. 459 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,240 Yeah. 460 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,240 Oh, yeah. 461 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,040 I mean, I would look up if I put that color on now. 462 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,040 I mean, it would be awful. 463 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,040 So you just got to change. 464 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:15,320 You have to change, you know, and change with your times, you know, not necessarily, you 465 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:21,160 know, and there are so many amazing products on the market now that weren't around then 466 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,160 as well. 467 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,880 So you really can find something that really suits your skin or, you know, your lifestyle, 468 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,120 things that are quick or things that take time. 469 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,360 So, you know, just whatever suits. 470 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:37,680 In terms of changing with the times, I know that you also are a hairstylist. 471 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,680 How do you feel about going gray? 472 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,560 How do you feel about, you know, when's the right time? 473 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,560 Is it cool? 474 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,560 Is it uncool? 475 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,000 What's the status? 476 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,360 So I went gray in my 20s. 477 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:54,560 I did pretend until I was in my early 40s that I wasn't going gray. 478 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,000 And I said to my husband that I was going to do a Helen Mirren when I hit 50, which 479 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,760 is this year. 480 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,680 And he kindly pointed out that that was only seven years away. 481 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,680 And excuse me. 482 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,960 And I was like, yeah, you're right. 483 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,880 And why am I going to color my hair every three weeks for another seven years? 484 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,920 So I had, I mean, my hair's always been short, so it was easy. 485 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,600 But I had it all kind of cut out, walked out the salon with like a grade two and I loved 486 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,600 it. 487 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:29,000 I felt so liberated, free from the shackles of hair color, not to mention my wallet. 488 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,760 And you know, my hair stylist always tells me like, you know, it's the most sought after 489 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,600 color now, but it's also the most, the hardest to achieve unnaturally. 490 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:44,280 You know, so I get people asking me like, how did you, you know, how do I go gray? 491 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,920 How do I, what do I do? 492 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,800 You know, do I grow the color out or do I have it, you know, blended out with color 493 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,360 or, you know, if I, you know, I know several people that let their hair grow out during 494 00:25:55,360 --> 00:26:00,760 lockdown and now they've got beautiful long gray hair, several others that did, you know, 495 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,880 I'm going to shave it all off for charity and then just let their actual natural gray 496 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,880 grow through. 497 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,440 And that was a big step, a big step to have it all shaved off, especially if you go from 498 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,920 long hair, you know, but doing it for charity, they were like, okay, this gives it a purpose 499 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,760 and then I can just let my hair grow out. 500 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,080 And I don't know a single one that's regretted it. 501 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,400 So yeah, I love, yeah, I love my gray hair. 502 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,760 That is such a cool idea, by the way. 503 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,080 I had never even thought about that. 504 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,440 It was like, you know, choosing to go gray, but while also doing something charitable. 505 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,440 I like that. 506 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,280 It means, you know, then you don't have like, oh God, my roots. 507 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,360 Cause you know, the minute they get, you know, a bit long, then you start panicking and like, 508 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:38,600 okay, I need to color it again. 509 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,760 And you just end up like in that cycle. 510 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:46,040 And you know, especially if you, if your hair's dark, then that, you know, the, the lines 511 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,720 and the hair, you just look at it and you just, and always you just think, is it going 512 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,720 to make me look old? 513 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,760 And you know, but I just think, you know, if your hair is naturally gray, actually is 514 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,760 suits you. 515 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,840 It suits your skin tone. 516 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,920 It's quite, you know, brightening on your skin tone as well. 517 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,240 I went through the phase of doing the, I want to go gray, the gray blending. 518 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,480 I did it for about a year and a half and I love it on other people. 519 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,040 Like I love the long gray hair. 520 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,720 And I was like, so admin, that's it. 521 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,960 I'm 10 40 now. 522 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,840 I'm going to stop dying my hair. 523 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,760 But then like you just mentioned, when the roots come through, you're just like, oh shit. 524 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,440 And then I gained a bit of weight and I'm like, fuck, now I look old and fat. 525 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,840 So I'm going to do my roots until I lose the weight. 526 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,200 And then for now I'll just look fat. 527 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040 And as a blonde, it's like, I'm not actually sure if I am going gray yet. 528 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,800 You know, it's like, I think it's just going to kind of like transition from yellowish 529 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,400 to grayish and I'll be like, oh, I guess that happened. 530 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,400 But that's quite easy as well. 531 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,360 And that's what I saw some of my friends doing during lockdown. 532 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,520 And I mean, one of them's got her hair's like kind of like, you know, down to her elbows 533 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,400 and it's so thick and it's great. 534 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,680 I mean, it's just gorgeous. 535 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,280 You know, she's fully embracing the gray. 536 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,320 But when your hair goes gray, the texture does also change as well. 537 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,760 So it can become more brittle and dry. 538 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:12,520 So then you need to start using different conditioners and, you know, using purple shampoos 539 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,560 to take out the brassiness so it doesn't look yellow. 540 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,440 So but yeah, I would definitely fully embrace it. 541 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,840 I've definitely got those curly, whirly gray hairs that tend to like pop up and stick out. 542 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,840 They do go curly. 543 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,840 It's so frustrating. 544 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,000 But yeah, I'm hoping to do that transition again because I love it. 545 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,800 But the problem is, is it is when it's that chunky thing. 546 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,040 I really don't like the roots, but I'm also not brave enough to shave my hair off. 547 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,040 So I don't know. 548 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,040 I feel like I need another lockdown and then I'm definitely going to stress out about society 549 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,040 for a few months. 550 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,040 I know. 551 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,040 Sorry, I take it back. 552 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,680 Or, you know, maybe even just, you know, get it to a certain point and then just have it 553 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,680 have a pixie cut. 554 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,680 Go short. 555 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,680 I don't know. 556 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,680 I don't know. 557 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,680 I don't know if I'm brave enough to do that. 558 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,680 Pixie Jasmine, get an app, test it out. 559 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,680 You can do that now. 560 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,680 Well, my husband always says I look like a little boy. 561 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,680 I'll definitely look like a little boy. 562 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,160 Well, you mentioned dry, brittle, changing texture. 563 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,160 I was like, oh, this sounds like my skin. 564 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,040 So I wanted to ask you while we had you here, what are the skin care changes for women in 565 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,040 their 40s? 566 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,720 So, you know, OK, we got the makeup products kind of unlock, but everything going on underneath, 567 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,280 I would assume also needs to change. 568 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,320 What do you think is a great, you know, a necessary skin skincare regime? 569 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,360 So always take your makeup off. 570 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,240 You know, that's one thing I've always stood by. 571 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,960 You know, my husband even last that, you know, all the years he's known me, I think I've 572 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,120 passed out about 10 times with my makeup on. 573 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,560 And then he knows that it's been a really good night. 574 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,840 But waking up with your eyelashes stuck together in the morning is not a good night or a good 575 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:48,840 morning. 576 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,160 So always take your makeup off. 577 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,160 Exfoliate. 578 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,320 Use a really gentle exfoliator once or twice a week. 579 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,000 It removes all that dead skin. 580 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,120 It makes your skin look brighter. 581 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,320 It diminishes fine lines. 582 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:08,200 Gives all those new juicy plump skin cells to the surface, which just look better. 583 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,360 Use a moisturizer. 584 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,560 It doesn't have to be really fancy. 585 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,960 You know, vitamin E, vitamin C. So both those really help protect the skin against free 586 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,320 radicals, which are basically things in our environment that attack our skin. 587 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:29,120 You know, smoking, drinking, pollution, you know, UV. 588 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,160 Like I say, stay out the sun if you can. 589 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,520 Walk around with an umbrella. 590 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,040 Use a high SPF. 591 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:41,120 So if you can incorporate your CC cream within a high SPF, then you've killed two birds with 592 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,120 one stone. 593 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,080 You've made your skin look a bit better and you're protecting it at the same time. 594 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:52,080 And yeah, retinol, you know, that's a good product to use at night. 595 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,880 With a retinol product, you know, research it properly. 596 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,880 Make sure that you, you know, it's not going to be too strong or know how to use it as 597 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,120 well because you need to build up with retinol. 598 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,520 You can't just start using it and, you know, think it's all going to just eradicate every 599 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,560 line and wrinkle on your face. 600 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,760 And hyaluronic acid, I can never say that. 601 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,560 I can never spell it. 602 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,560 So I won't say it. 603 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,120 But that's really moisturizing, really hydrating. 604 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,920 And you know, like I said, so you can even buy powders these days with, you know, the 605 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,840 hyaluronic powders so they don't, you know, give you that slight matte powdery finish 606 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,080 and they actually hydrate at the same time. 607 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520 I actually drink it in my coffee. 608 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,880 So my collagen has got the hyaluronic acid and the vitamin C. So I'm like, I'm doing 609 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,880 it from inside out. 610 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:49,160 Yeah, and I literally do it inside out because I inject it in my face. 611 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,880 I'm a big fan of profilo, which is the injectable hyaluronic acid. 612 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,880 Oh, amazing. 613 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,480 And that is a game changer. 614 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,480 I think. 615 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,200 Yeah, you know, we just plumps the skin. 616 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,320 It makes just, you know, and if your skin is nice and plump to moisturize, you know, 617 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,920 always moisturize before you put any makeup on anyway and actually really massage it and 618 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,720 get that, you know, blood pumping to the surface of the skin. 619 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,840 And it just makes your face, you know, it just makes your skin look brighter, even without 620 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,840 makeup. 621 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,840 You know, you'd see a difference. 622 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,240 So when you go and have a facial, you come out and you're glowing because they've been 623 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,520 like massaging and primping you, you know. 624 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,200 So treat yourself to a facial, look after your skin, look after yourself, you know. 625 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,200 Yes. 626 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:35,520 But as with anything, you know, we talked about semi-permanent makeup and, you know, 627 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:41,880 retinol, anything, any kind of cosmetic procedure, injectables, just really research first, make 628 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,400 sure that you know any of the risks that are involved, you know, and know that what you're 629 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,120 doing, know what you're getting. 630 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,720 What would you say is the biggest faux pas that women in their 40s should definitely 631 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,520 not be doing? 632 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,600 Oh, okay. 633 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:06,720 Like really shiny highlighter up here and really shiny eyeshadow underneath their brows. 634 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,440 Yeah, because you just, you know, you catch the light and you've just got two lines under 635 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,920 your eyebrows or you catch the light and you've just got like a line of like really shiny 636 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,400 wrinkles, you know. 637 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,360 So neither of those are a good look. 638 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,040 So yeah, highlighter, less is more. 639 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,080 And you know, if you're going to wear, if you're going to wear, you know, a bold lip, 640 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,960 just make sure it's a good matte one, that it doesn't bleed up to your nose because that's 641 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,440 also not attractive. 642 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,440 Yeah. 643 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,680 And also, yeah, too much blusher. 644 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,280 Like really, you know, we don't want to look like Barbara Cartland. 645 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,880 So I do love like the bright lips on people. 646 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,880 I think it looks amazing. 647 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,520 But when I do it on myself, I feel like I look like a clown. 648 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,480 I feel like my lips are just, I don't know. 649 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:59,080 But anyway, is there a way of being able to wear these bright colors without feeling weird 650 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,680 or is that just something that's in my head? 651 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:01,960 I think that's just in your head. 652 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,960 Okay. 653 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,600 You know, I mean, you know, red lips, but wearing a red lipstick, it's a commitment. 654 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,240 You're committing to wearing it, excuse me, and it's a confidence thing as well. 655 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:16,180 You know, some people put a red lipstick on and they feel powerful and confident and ready 656 00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:18,600 to go and take on a room. 657 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,040 Other people feel that, oh, everyone's looking at me because I've got red lipstick on and 658 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,600 because they feel self-conscious in it. 659 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,920 So, you know, excuse me. 660 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,880 That's why, you know, find the makeup that suits you that you're comfortable with, because 661 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,040 when you're comfortable, you'll feel confident. 662 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,520 If you're feeling, it's like, you know, when you wear your favorite outfit and everyone 663 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,400 tells you how great you look and you're like, oh, and you walk around, you're swallowing 664 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,640 around because you feel great because everyone's telling you how great you look. 665 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,680 You know, it gives you more confidence. 666 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,960 It's the same with a lipstick, definitely. 667 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,960 It's just finding the right tone. 668 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,040 And with a red as well, there's so many different tones of red. 669 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,400 It's just finding the one that suits your skin tone as well. 670 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,160 I have a husband who could not notice less what I do with my physical body, right? 671 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,320 Like, you know, I gained 50 pounds in pregnancy, doesn't even notice. 672 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,520 You know, I'm wearing a burlap sack, I can't see it. 673 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,720 But what I will tell you is that when I wear a red lipstick, my husband thinks it is just, 674 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:12,720 I am a glamazon. 675 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,400 I am the cool, I am so pretty. 676 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,920 So that was the one thing that I was like, wow, he actually noticed. 677 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,840 So for me, the red lip is exactly what you said. 678 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,920 It makes me feel completely confident because I know it's the one thing that my husband 679 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,920 can actually see. 680 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:25,920 So for me, I love it. 681 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,920 I can be honest with you, my husband's always like, oh my God, you look weird, go take that 682 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,920 off. 683 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,560 Yeah, and again, you know, it's each their own for the men as well. 684 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:39,480 Yeah, but also as well, do you think maybe if you felt like I look amazing in this, then 685 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,180 you'd walk out, feel it, and you'd be projecting that confidence and he'd go, wow. 686 00:35:44,180 --> 00:35:48,360 You know, so I think sometimes there's a lot going on in here. 687 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,360 You know, I know, when if I don't wear any makeup, you know, I'm like, oh, okay, you 688 00:35:53,360 --> 00:36:00,040 know, I feel, yeah, I don't feel as confident as opposed to when I do. 689 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:06,040 So you know, maybe if you found the right color and then came out, he'd just go. 690 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,040 I don't know. 691 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:12,040 Again, you're going to have to see Kelly after this episode. 692 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,560 Well so we are running out of time, Kelly, and we've had so many gems of wisdom from 693 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,400 you so far, and I really thank you for that, for bringing the heat. 694 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,760 But I would love to know the question that we ask all of our guests here, which is what 695 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,120 is your 40s formula? 696 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,120 What advice do you give to women to really help them thrive and feel their best in this 697 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,120 decade? 698 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:37,200 So my, I would say self-care, look after yourself. 699 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,600 We spend all of our lives looking after everybody else. 700 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,640 Put yourself first for once. 701 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,180 Go and have that facial. 702 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:46,120 Go and get that mani pedi. 703 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,000 Go and have a massage. 704 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,440 Go away for a weekend on your own if you can, you know, and your friends. 705 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,040 Spending time with your friends, they big you up. 706 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,560 They empower you. 707 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:04,680 You know, they make you feel, you know, part of community and, you know, and it's empowering. 708 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,560 You know, we're always with our friends, with our families, but actually spending time on 709 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,520 ourselves, I think that's the 40s formula. 710 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,520 Definitely. 711 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,040 I feel like we need to have a big spa day now. 712 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,040 Yeah, exactly. 713 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,840 I was like, so what I've just heard is that I need to get myself in the spa. 714 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,840 You can do it in a day. 715 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,440 You know, you can do it in a school day here. 716 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,440 Yeah, true. 717 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,440 Yeah, very true. 718 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,600 Drop the kids off, get the boat, come back, pick them up, looking glowing. 719 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,360 Well, Kelly, thank you so much for being here with us today. 720 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,780 We really appreciate all the wisdom that you brought and all of the great body positive 721 00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:41,160 and face positive and age positive talk. 722 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,160 So thanks. 723 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,160 Oh, my pleasure. 724 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,800 Thanks so much for having me. 725 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,760 This is Paul, our editor. 726 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,720 He's a 25 year old unmarried Singaporean guy listening to the ramblings of 12 older women 727 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:57,540 on everything from menopause to weightlifting to sex. 728 00:37:57,540 --> 00:38:00,040 So Paul, what's your thoughts on today's conversation? 729 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,680 Hey guys, what's up? 730 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,240 Paul here again. 731 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,760 Well, make a bathys. 732 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,240 It's a really cool career, you know, when you sharing and mentioning it. 733 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:13,040 You know, obviously I can't relate because I'm not in your field of work and I'm still 734 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,360 young in my 20s and I don't wear makeup. 735 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:21,960 So you know, but even sitting there and listening to it, I think it's a really cool, you know, 736 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,000 perspective of what a makeup artist does. 737 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,280 And you know, a lot of things I've not really heard of or do like microblading or, you know, 738 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,200 or like shading or even different color or, you know, different styles. 739 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,200 It's really interesting to share. 740 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:43,400 So yeah, thank you for sharing and you know, at least I've learned new things as a guy. 741 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:44,400 All right, catch you next one. 742 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,400 See ya. 743 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,160 Guys, you know how much we love coffee. 744 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,700 And if you want to show us some love, you know, you can get us one. 745 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:55,160 Just visit buymeacoffee.com slash the forties formula. 746 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,160 Cheers. 747 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,040 Peter Lowe left us this review after listening to episode six with Tina. 748 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,320 Love that you ladies are keeping it real and sharing personal stories. 749 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,360 Love listening to this podcast on my walks. 750 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,360 Keep up the great work. 751 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,520 Also, I like the little Easter eggs at the end of the podcast. 752 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,520 Very Marvel. 753 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,520 Lol. 754 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,960 Well, we are so glad that you love ponderings with Paul at the end of our podcast. 755 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,560 We're definitely going to keep that coming. 756 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,920 And also we appreciate you walking while you listen. 757 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,220 Guys, get your exercise and listen to the forties formula. 758 00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:29,960 Before we go, please 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we'll be back next week for more empowering 770 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,480 conversations with inspiring guests. 771 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:30,600 Bye. 772 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:49,000 Oh, thank you. 773 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,040 I keep thinking, you know, I can't help but think right when we shot this all up for Instagram 774 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,040 and stuff. 775 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,400 There's so many tips that we could use from you. 776 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,400 So thank you. 777 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,400 Oh, thank you. 778 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,400 Really, really. 779 00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,400 Brilliant. 780 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,400 Thank you. 781 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:07,160 This is something that you know, and it's, you know, so I think the whole thing of, oh, 782 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,320 I need to prepare actually, we can ask you a question that you are able to answer anyway. 783 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,320 And you were able to. 784 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,320 I didn't actually need. 785 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,320 Yeah, I didn't really need to. 786 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,320 Because you know all of this stuff. 787 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,320 Yeah. 788 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,480 But by writing it down, I always think this is my like thing from school too, is like 789 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,680 by writing it down, then you really need it. 790 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,680 Yeah, you reinforce it. 791 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,680 Yeah, you do. 792 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,680 Yeah. 793 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,680 Thank you. 794 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,960 Thank you.