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I like, like, you know, if the fat goes a bit crispy, you know, then it's good.

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What I don't like is like that.

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The jiggly fat? Yes.

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That's the best it hit in my house.

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I think that's an important tip, because at least if you get some of the fat

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juices as you're cooking it, then you kind of get the best of both worlds.

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I kind of cut it off if it's really visible.

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And for us, what really hits home with the meat club that we love is the mince.

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We are a mince family.

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We go through so much.

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We have it every morning for breakfast.

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but we are that family, unfortunately.

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And we do your beef mince with the egg scrambled in a protein wrap.

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And that is a hit for everyone in my family, except my babies who's drinking milk right now.

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Hey, hey, and welcome to the 40s Formula, your go to place for insightful

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discussions on navigating the 40s and thriving in this transformative decade.

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We're your hosts, Jasmine and Amanda, two women that are passionate about exploring

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the challenges and adventures that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead.

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Amy Bell is a mum of two girls and the founder of the Meat Club,

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a sustainable produce delivery company based in Singapore that delivers high

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quality ingredients from Australia and New Zealand direct to your door.

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A former lawyer, Amy started the Meat Club after experiencing cravings for good

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quality meat during her pregnancy with her daughter, Harriet,

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but found it difficult to find affordable quality meat.

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So an idea was born and the Meat Club was formed.

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And I, for one, am so glad for those cravings.

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Amy is joining us on the 40s Formula today to share how she manages life as a busy mum,

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an entrepreneur and how she still finds time to incorporate healthy habits into her day.

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Hi, Amy. So good to have you here on the 40s Formula.

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We're really excited to speak to you.

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Like a lot of ex-pat women, you came here as a trailing spouse over 10 years ago.

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And since then, you have had two kids, you've set up two businesses

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and you're also prioritising your health.

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How do you manage to balance all of that?

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I think like any mum, being very, very organised,

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first and foremost, making sure that we have a bit of a schedule,

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making sure that we're prioritising the right things, making sure that

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the girls feel like we're present and around.

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I have to say that I've got a lot better at it now than I did when we first started out.

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It was a very different story going back 10 years.

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I think at that time we were just in survival mode and doing everything and

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anything we could to make sure that the business was working,

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that the girls were getting fed, getting sleep and just juggling living life

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as an expert in a very new and different country.

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Yeah, that must have been quite tough, you know, because I feel like Singapore is so

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different to sort of being back at home.

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We've got some great things that can help us, like having helpers and things like that.

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Whereas back home, you have the support of your family.

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How do you find sort of making sure that you can prioritise all of these bits

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so that you're not feeling like I'm leaving stuff behind?

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You know, like, do you think that having the helper here is working in your benefit?

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Or do you think that people back at home are basically thinking, oh, she's got help.

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It's a great question and one that I actually really struggled with, if I'm honest.

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When we first moved, we came to set up Guzman and Gomez and I had a job,

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actually, at the time, and I was working full time.

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that I finally caved into the idea of getting a helper, I think, as an Australian.

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which was the best decision we ever made, not only just for me, but also for the family.

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I think I really struggled with having those initial conversations with friends

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back home, and I actually hid it from them, if I'm honest,

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because I did feel a sense of shame that I should be able to be doing everything.

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in our house for the past eight years, I'm extremely grateful for their support.

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decide where the boundaries are for you and your family.

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somebody that is wonderful with our children, our two girls,

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and she will cook and clean and do all the jobs around the house,

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which means that I can be, I guess, a very active mother and run the business

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on the side or together.

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this underlying thematic that it's like women that are mothers that are trying to

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work just have to be a mess and you have to be stressed out and it has to be awful.

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in other countries in the form of like baby pods or mommy support groups or

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whatever it may be, take the help.

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Suffering is not cool.

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Like it's not a vibe.

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It's not a look. What are Gen Z saying?

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there is so much that you can benefit from from feeling that way, talking about it.

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followed me over to Singapore if they knew the extent of it.

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Philippines currently and just trying to get everything done is so tough when you

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Your upbringing was interesting because

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I feel like back in the 90s, everybody was going through this sort of low

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fat, low cholesterol, margarine, convenience foods.

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Yes. How was that?

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I would have been myself in grade six when I was actually diagnosed with Candida,

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which is not to be confused with anything around gluten.

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And my mum initially thought that I had tonsillitis.

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Pineapple, for example, orange, all very acidic, which was soothing.

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Very, very soothing at the time.

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where she correctly diagnosed me with Candida.

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and being very upset by the fact that the list of foods that I could eat was shorter

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than the list of the foods that I couldn't.

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It literally fell down to the to the fridge floor.

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getting ready for school and mum was packing my lunchbox and I couldn't

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pack all the traditional snacks that I'd become accustomed to,

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which were not necessarily healthy at the time, but very convenience orientated.

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that I was feeling, the way that my food was making me feel.

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I enjoyed it enormously to the point that I remember mum packing me chicken pesto

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sandwiches while my girlfriends were having like a Vegemite sandwich.

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So I would definitely have my chicken pesto.

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You can throw the Vegemite in the trash and pass the pesto on over.

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Exactly. So I started to really enjoy it.

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And it was, you know, it's very common now to be talking about whole foods.

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my parents, who were not particularly, you know, they didn't drink an enormous

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amount, but they decided to take themselves on a very famous diet now called the liver

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cleansing diet, and it must have been 12 years at that age.

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will do it, too. They gave us the option.

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Let's just give it a try.

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And that was another iteration of a very whole foods diet.

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my whole life has kind of come around to what is catching up with very common terms

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now being whole foods orientated, not having processed food.

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Just as a quick side, can you describe some of the symptoms of Candida?

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that would look like. Definitely.

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Whether or not you want to include this in the podcast itself,

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but another very common term for Candida is thrush.

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So thrush is obviously found in your vagina.

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unfortunately, like pus in my mouth at the very back of the glands.

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And I think the most prominent symptom for me was just that metallic taste.

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Everything was tasting like I was eating a bar of steel.

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And it wasn't until I started that initial diet to get rid of it that things curbed itself.

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And I thankfully, other than in year 10, I haven't had a serious bout of it.

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It's all about just maintaining it.

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And I think that comes naturally now because I kind of stick to the diet naturally,

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not through design. It's organic in a way.

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So what sort of foods then are you feeding

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your kids now just to sort of go back to the way you were brought up?

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And do they sort of rebel against the sort of things that you give them?

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Are they quiet? You know, this is good.

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Oh, they definitely have a sweet tooth, which I credit to my husband.

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They love chocolate, love lollies, which we never deprive them of.

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I always just say to them, look, if it's your choice,

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just monitor how it makes you feel and you can go for it if you like.

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I don't think deprivation is smart at any age.

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We all eat as a family.

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mealtimes together, so we'll all sit down for breakfast before we go to school

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and the office, and then we all sit down for dinner as well.

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The girls will eat what we eat.

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lesson for them is,

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I'm sure you've all read of it, the green eggs and ham.

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Yeah. So I always comment back to that.

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I was like, you know, he hated the idea of green eggs and ham,

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and then he eventually loved it.

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So just don't look at something for the for the appearance sake.

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You've got to try it as well.

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And if they genuinely don't like it, then that's fine.

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I just would like them to try it to begin with.

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So your question was, what do we have?

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I laugh because we try and mix things up a lot.

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I think Candida was a big wake up call for me at a young age that you can't eat

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the same things all the time.

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I look at people that make the same

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protein shake every morning before work and I'm like, well, that's great.

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of other micronutrients by not changing what you're having.

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So for us, it's yeah, we change a lot.

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This morning we had scrambled eggs and avocado toast.

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we make like a little protein mousse.

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Every day is kind of different.

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What's your protein mousse?

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Oh, it's a beautiful blend.

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I'll plug for her.

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It's an Australian girl, Rachel Finch.

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She has Kissed Earth, which is a brand of protein powder.

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So we get the chocolate, the vanilla and the strawberry and it's delicious.

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So you can actually mix like just one

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tablespoon of this protein powder with a dash of any type of milk.

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It can be cows, it can be nut based.

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And once you stir it, it makes like this paste, which to me is just delicious.

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Yeah, it's not for everyone, but I certainly love it.

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So we put it on the on the pancakes.

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We have toast. Yeah, we mix it up a lot.

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Lots of fruit and veg, lots of clean

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protein and then obviously carbs and stuff as well.

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So you founded the meat club here in Singapore.

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What led you to start up the meat club?

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So I was actually made redundant.

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So we moved here as a lawyer in a former life.

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I had started a condiment business in Bondi when we were living there and then came

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up here to work as a kind of like a in sports consultancy.

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I was doing a lot of sports law back home.

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I was working in that firm for must have been 80 months to two years,

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fell pregnant with Harriet and got made redundant around the same time.

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Were you like a female Jerry Maguire by any chance?

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That would have been amazing.

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No, it was a lot less glamorous than that.

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And I think at the time I had started a

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it's ironic vegan soft serve business here in Singapore.

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So I was importing a product from Australia.

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Unfortunately, that didn't do so well.

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So that closed and I sold part of the business, but closed the rest of it.

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And then I kind of was at a point where I was pregnant.

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I was looking for work.

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I wasn't sure what the next step was.

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So my husband was frantically setting up Guzman and Gomez here in Singapore.

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And one day I just realized I was becoming a vegetarian by default, not by design.

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I wasn't eating any protein at all and I was craving red meat at the time.

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Now, this is 10 years ago.

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So the options for fresh meat and seafood at the time, I think,

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were very different to what they are now.

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I went to Cold Storage and I bought Josh along with me and I said,

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look, can you please go and buy the two of us and I fill up steak?

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Like, I just need this so badly.

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I've had a really bad run of choosing red meat lately.

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I'm obviously doing something very wrong

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because I couldn't eat anything that we were buying from the supermarket.

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We couldn't afford what was at the local butcher.

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So it was like a catch 22 between quality and cost.

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Hey Amanda, what's more challenging than

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finding good quality, nutritious food for your family?

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Probably juggling life in your 40s.

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OK, yes, you're right there.

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And now back to the show.

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Anyway, I went to Cold Storage, took him to the butcher area

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and I went and did the rest of my shop.

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I was at the checkout line.

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I'd forgotten he was with me.

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I was like, oh my God, where is he?

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So I went back to where he was.

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And here he was with his phone out and just obsessed looking at all these costs

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on his phone, getting at his calculator.

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And he very quickly described to me that the landed cost of beef for Guzman

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and Gomez from Australia was roughly $11 a kilo at the time.

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And what we were looking at was 44.

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Wow. So we did some research.

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There's no there was and there is continues to be no import tax for meat.

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And we just decided very quickly that there was a gap in the market that we

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could potentially serve if we found the right suppliers.

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We knew that we didn't want to retail space, given our experience with Guzman

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just from a staffing rental point of view as a startup.

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We knew that we also needed reoccurring revenue.

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So subscription model was the only way we were going to make it work.

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And and that was really it.

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So I can credit Harriet to the craving and my husband to doing the numbers.

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And then I guess me to, yeah, getting it going.

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It's incredible.

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And I'm so glad because I love the quality of your meats and even your fish.

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And I appreciate that very much.

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And it makes things so much easier.

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You know, like you can just get it delivered and it's fresh and it tastes great.

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And, you know, you can you can really tell the difference rather than when you just

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go to your supermarket and you pick something up.

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Like I bought some steaks the other day randomly from the supermarket.

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And I just felt like there was just too much fat, too much.

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It didn't feel like, you know, a healthy piece of meat.

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And then, you know, no one really eats that much fat off the steak.

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So you end up cutting it off.

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And then you're left with like this tiny little bit of lean meat that you can actually eat.

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So I'm going to hit you right there.

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I can definitely tell you everyone in my household eats the fat off the steak.

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I'm the only one who does it.

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I'm the only one.

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I live, so my husband's Singaporean Chinese and so my in-laws as well.

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And like the fat is the best.

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I cut off that big fat rind and they're like in it to win.

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So that goes a little bit longer.

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I like certain parts of I like, like, you know, if the fat goes a bit crispy,

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then it's good. What I don't like is like that jiggly fat.

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Yes.

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No, no, no, no.

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But I will cook with it on.

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But then I cut it off.

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I think that's an important tip, because at least if you get some of the fat

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juices as you're cooking it, then you kind of get the best of both worlds.

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And I'm with you. I kind of cut it off if it's really visible.

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And for us, what really hits home with the meat club that we love is the mince.

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We are a mince family. We go through so much.

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We have it every morning for breakfast.

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So, you know, I know you just said about not having the same thing every morning,

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but we are that family.

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And we do your beef mince with the egg scrambled in a protein wrap.

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And that is a hit for everyone in my family, except my babies.

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He's drinking milk right now.

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But my toddlers and us, it's something that the four of us can agree on.

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And it makes it so easy in the morning to just have that mince and kind of constant supply.

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I appreciate that. That's amazing.

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So you're also into sort of health and fitness.

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What are your go to exercises that you tend to regularly partake in?

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That's actually changed a lot, I would actually say, in the last even three months.

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Yeah, really recently.

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So I'm actually 39.

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I'll be 40 in March of next year.

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I will allow it.

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39 plus.

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But I think I've got to a point where I've always been extremely sensitive to my body,

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whether or not it's hormonal changes, craving changes, emotional changes.

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And that's come through, I think, a lifetime of being very physically active and fit.

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My sister was, she was an Olympian.

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My brother-in-law was an Olympian.

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He went on to win Kona Ironman a handful of times.

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So the Fredinos are very well known in the triathlon world.

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I'll just put it out there.

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I'm very young, yeah.

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And I think, yeah, as a kid growing up,

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exercise was just part and parcel of life.

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It wasn't something that was ever forced on us.

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It was something that we wanted to do.

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And being in triathlon and swimmers before that, it was always geared around more

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endurance kind of exercise.

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I remember distinctly when we first moved here, partly mental, like coping mechanism.

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I was running every day just to kind of, yeah, manage everything.

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And that was a really good level for me.

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But I find now as I'm reaching my 40s,

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that endurance is not necessarily the one for me anymore.

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I'm finding I'm getting like niggly joints in my knees.

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So I've cut back my running.

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What probably was six days a week, 10 years ago to maybe four times a week,

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maybe three years ago to now maybe one or two times a week.

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And so I'm really, really enjoying learning more about what's happening to to me and

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what will eventually be inevitable as I approach my 40s and beyond years around

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the importance of strength training, the importance of having protein early

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in the morning, the importance of just listening to yourself and giving yourself

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permission to do different stuff.

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So I've really enjoyed discovering F45.

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I'm very, very, very, very late to that game.

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But I think I always had a fear of getting injured with F45.

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And that's not been the case.

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I love going to the gym now, of which we benefit in our condo.

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We've got one

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Pilates. So I really mix it up.

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No, two days are the same.

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I guess it's a little bit like my diet.

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I really mix things up.

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If I did weights this morning, I might go and do stairs even tomorrow.

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So that's a level of cardio, but it kind of incorporates a bit of what would you

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call that, like a hit? Yeah, yeah, I'll go with that.

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Yeah. So it's changing a lot.

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And I can't say I have a routine down pat because every day I kind of, yeah,

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just see how I feel and then take it from there.

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I was out with a friend the other day and

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she was just asking me, like, how do you prioritise when you're busy

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fitting in the exercise element?

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And it's one of those things where it's just become part of my life.

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And I will just, you know, if I've found some time instead of sitting down,

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having a cup of coffee, I will be like, OK, I finished what I'm doing now.

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I need a break. I'm going to go to the gym.

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How is it for you? Like, how have you

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incorporated it into your lifestyle so that it's not a chore?

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It's not something that, you know, you're like,

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oh, I have to go and do this.

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How have you managed that?

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For me, I have always been a morning exercise person.

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If I exercise or move in the afternoon or evening, it's something very light,

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like it might be a walk with a girlfriend or going down to the pool with my girls

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and having a little swim. In the mornings, it's usually up around

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six o'clock and making sure I'm back before they wake up.

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I just love that time with them when they're in school, obviously the whole day.

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It's quite precious just to make sure that you have that morning time together.

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So I'm always back in time for that.

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But I think there's probably two elements to my approach to exercise,

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and that is a full credit to my mum when I was a swimmer as a kid.

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I remember her picking me up at primary school and we were on our way to swimming

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training, and at the time it sounds excessive,

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but we would have been training 11 times a week.

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So that's morning and night every day.

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And we were going in the afternoon and I said to my mum,

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Mum, I just don't feel like swimming this afternoon.

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And she's like, that's fine.

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My sister was sitting in the front.

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I was sitting in the back and she just said to me, she's like, look,

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this is what's going to happen.

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I'm going to drive Emma to swimming training

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because Emma was still keen to go.

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And she said, then I've got to go and do job A, B, C, D, go and get dinner ready,

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come back and get Emma.

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And then she had a long pause and she said,

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oh, you can go swimming with your girlfriends.

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And she didn't say anything else after that.

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There was no pressure around.

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I had to do it or that it would make me feel better or that I needed to do it for

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my mental or physical health.

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It was just something or an element of fun.

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And she pulled up at the pool, said, what are you going to do?

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And I said, I'm actually going to go and some of my friends.

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Amazing. Yeah.

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And I think I really credit that approach because it was never forced upon us.

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And

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I've sounds a bit weird, but I would always get up before her to kind of get

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ready or she would be getting ready herself before I was up.

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And my mom, this is.

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So I think to address the question in a roundabout way, one, it's always been

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there as part of my life and two, for me, it's always about doing it in the morning

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and giving yourself permission that if you do sleep in,

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then you might find a pocket of time after coffee or after lunch to go and do

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something like not having that guilt factor all day that I haven't done it.

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Oh, my God, I haven't done it yet.

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00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,280
And I think I was guilty of that in my 30s.

470
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,200
I'm much more forgiving for myself now.

471
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,360
If I needed to sleep in, there was a reason for it.

472
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,160
And I can always do it a bit later in the day.

473
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:03,000
Do the girls see that you prioritize your health as well?

474
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,400
Are they sort of seeing that mommy takes

475
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:11,720
the time out to go and work out, definitely eat in a particular way?

476
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,560
Hey, Amanda, do you know of a really easy way to give your kids some good gut bacteria?

477
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,400
I do indeed. I'm giving my family a Keezy Wellness Elderberry Boost.

478
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,000
They come in these little sachets.

479
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000
You just rip them open, pour it right in your mouth.

480
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,120
That sounds like fun.

481
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,040
And I bet I could add that to their smoothies and some Greek yogurt, too.

482
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,480
And what I love about a Keezy is that you can take it any time of day.

483
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,520
And there's a product for all ages, even my 12 week old little guy.

484
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,640
The Keezy believe that food is medicine, so you know the products are clean

485
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and have no gums and fillers.

486
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They also take a science forward approach

487
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:44,520
and include pre, post, probiotics, as well as polyphenols.

488
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,320
And the best thing is you can get 15 percent off full price items with free

489
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,840
delivery when you use code 40 at checkout for any purchases in Singapore

490
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,120
from their website, a Keezy Wellness dot com.

491
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And don't forget to check out their new

492
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a Keezy Berry and a Keezy Tropical Flavors, too.

493
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,280
Now back to the chat.

494
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,280
Yeah, we talk about it a lot.

495
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,360
I think, again, not because of any other reason, that it's just something I enjoy

496
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,520
and I love it and it's fun.

497
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,600
And whether or not it's something with a

498
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,920
girlfriend or if it's by myself or if it's with Josh, we yeah, we just always

499
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:23,000
prioritize it over other other activities, really.

500
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,800
And it's the same for food.

501
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,240
And that's brilliant.

502
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,200
And I think, you know, kids will pick up on what your parents do rather than,

503
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,760
you know, just being told what to do.

504
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,200
Exactly. I think there's a lot that they can learn through seeing, you know, they

505
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,400
don't necessarily need the the the here and the why.

506
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,040
And if they if they have those questions, then we go through those as well.

507
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,560
Yeah. And that was to be my question for you, which is, you know, obviously you

508
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,120
grew up in a home where there was some element of diet culture.

509
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,680
You know, your parents are doing the liver cleanse.

510
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,600
You had to go on the Candida diet for your for your condition.

511
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,320
How do you kind of insulate your girls from diet culture?

512
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,480
Or do you not?

513
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,440
You know, do you just simply say, hey, this exists and these are the elements,

514
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,840
you know, that we incorporate in our home and this is how I eat?

515
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,720
Because I do feel like your girls at six and eight are getting to the age where

516
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,800
they're going to be bombarded with.

517
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,680
Oh, my gosh, I'm so conscious of it.

518
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,760
And yeah, it's a really good question.

519
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,400
I remember this.

520
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:26,240
I never remember my parents talking about it in the context of a like diet, like

521
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,440
Candida diet or liver cleansing diet.

522
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,400
It was just something that they were doing and we were part of.

523
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Or in my case, I had to for that period of time.

524
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:41,120
I think now we never really mention the word, not because of its connotations,

525
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,200
but just because, yeah, I feel like there's just so many variations,

526
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,200
so many fads, you can get so well caught up in everything.

527
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,360
The best thing I can do for them is just to help them understand the

528
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,080
what food does and how it makes you feel.

529
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,080
That's really the only important thing.

530
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:08,680
And I'm super conscious of of what social media and magazines and

531
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,440
books that they're reading will have on their mental health.

532
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,920
And I'm very conscious to kind of not necessarily shield from them,

533
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,280
because I think that's an impossibility is just talking through it and making sure,

534
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,960
you know, I certainly don't count calories and have I never weigh myself.

535
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,120
It's more about a feeling.

536
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,760
So it's kind of when those conversations may or may not come up,

537
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,600
just talking about how I approach it and they can kind of find their way as well.

538
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,720
I think being a boy, mom, I don't have to sort of worry too much about that.

539
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,560
So my boys,

540
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,160
they understand that, you know, there are certain foods that they need to eat,

541
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,680
like the proteins can help them get bigger muscles, help them grow taller,

542
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,200
help them play better at sport.

543
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,920
And, you know, the sugary carbohydrates things, that's pure energy.

544
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,480
And there's a time and a place for that.

545
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,800
That's kind of the way that we sort of manage at home.

546
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
And they'll always try it.

547
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,320
They'll always be like, after tennis, can we have ice cream?

548
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,600
Or, you know, can we have a frair Rocher or whatever it is that, you know, is at home?

549
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,520
And we will say, OK, fine, you can have it because you've done your sports.

550
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,120
I know it's not really the best way to look at it,

551
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,400
but I do want them to understand that certain foods will help you in certain ways.

552
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,320
And you need to prioritize those before you can have the stuff that

553
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,760
might not benefit you in the long term, especially if you have something where

554
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,280
I used to be quite addicted to eating sweet food.

555
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,840
And I think part of that process of what I went through growing up,

556
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,440
I do worry that, you know, is that what's going to happen to the boys as well?

557
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,160
Like, will they get to this point where they'll go and have six or seven chocolate bars in a row?

558
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,640
And you probably see them do it at a party, right?

559
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,440
Yeah, they just have like free reign.

560
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:47,880
Yeah.

561
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,480
It's like, oh, I'm going to go to town.

562
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Make yourself really sick.

563
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,800
And then you won't want to do it again.

564
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,240
It's such a good lesson.

565
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,480
The way that I actually address it with

566
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,880
Harriet, because she's she's definitely the one to like ask for sweets and ask

567
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,760
for chocolate and ask for ice cream is I will very often give her like a like

568
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,000
a chocolate smoothie for breakfast with like with her toast, which is, you know,

569
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,640
it might be with coconut water or like a cashew milk or something.

570
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,880
And so the lesson there is you can have the same cravings.

571
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,320
You can satisfy your cravings.

572
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,480
It's just that you don't have to do it with an ultra processed product,

573
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,000
which I'm very, very mindful of, even at their age, to make sure that they understand

574
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:38,000
the difference between, you know, one packet to another, not necessarily for like the

575
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,960
not for the physical aspect of it, but just more the nutritional aspect.

576
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,000
More than anything else.

577
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,800
We were out for dinner and I think there were a bunch of kids there.

578
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,680
My son asked if he could have some juice because all the kids were having juice.

579
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,760
And I said, well, we've already said you can have dessert afterwards because he

580
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,880
really wanted a cornetto.

581
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,240
And I was like, you can have the dessert.

582
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,040
But do you really want to have the juice?

583
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,440
Or would you rather have the dessert?

584
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,520
He's like, oh, no, no, I'd rather have the ice cream.

585
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Yes, exactly.

586
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,680
That's the right choice.

587
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,560
You know, because I think sometimes you look at juice and you think, oh, it's

588
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,920
fruit and it's, you know, it's fine.

589
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Yeah, but actually it's all the nutrients have come out.

590
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,920
It's just sugar.

591
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,400
And like you mentioned, you know, when you were having your pineapple juice.

592
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Yeah, it tasted great.

593
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,040
And the candida were probably loving all that sugar.

594
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
It was, but it wasn't, but it wasn't healthy.

595
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,040
I still actually can't drink pineapple or orange juice.

596
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,720
I get an immediate reaction from them.

597
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,360
Yeah.

598
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,360
But giving your kids a choice, I think, is so empowering.

599
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,880
This is like what my mom did.

600
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,120
And it's like, do you want do you want to have that chocolate or a lolly?

601
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,640
You can have one of the two, but don't maybe not have both.

602
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,440
And if you really want both, then that's up to you.

603
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,360
But just see how you feel.

604
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,840
Yeah. And you know, it's so funny how parents sometimes are so scared to talk

605
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,640
to their kids about food because they're like, oh, I don't want to give them

606
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,320
an eating disorder and I don't want to mess with their thing.

607
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,840
But it's like think of talking to food with your kids, talking about food with

608
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,800
your kids, the way that you would talk about money.

609
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,960
You have to teach them how to budget.

610
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,720
You have to teach them how to invest.

611
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,520
If you don't, your kids will go into the real world and just blow it up.

612
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,200
Right.

613
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,240
And it's the same exact thing with nutrition literacy.

614
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:11,920
If you don't provide them a baseline education about nutrients, then when

615
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,800
they're left to their own devices, they will have no idea how to handle it.

616
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,800
And we're only human.

617
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,160
We respond to impulse.

618
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,520
And it's like the same thing.

619
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,960
It's like if you don't want them to open 10 credit cards and spend to the limit,

620
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,800
then you sure don't want them to go out into the real world and binge on six

621
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,680
candy bars because they just don't have the knowledge.

622
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,440
So for us, it's like we give them the

623
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,680
knowledge now so that they can make smarter decisions in the future.

624
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,520
And I think parents can can do that with

625
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,600
money and somehow block it with food.

626
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,760
Yeah, definitely.

627
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,920
Amy, it's been absolutely wonderful having you here.

628
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,240
Thank you so much for having me.

629
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,520
I've enjoyed it a lot.

630
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:46,040
But before we finish, we do have one final question.

631
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,560
And we want to know what's your 40s formula?

632
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,720
What would you say to people listening

633
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,880
about what they can do in their 40s to help them really thrive?

634
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,040
That's a great question.

635
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,400
I think I've actually said it once or twice already

636
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,200
because I'm doing it a lot for myself at the moment.

637
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,240
And that is give yourself permission.

638
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,800
There's so many things that can that that can lend to.

639
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,400
So give yourself permission to sleep in and go and exercise later in the day.

640
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Give yourself permission to skip going out for a meal if you don't feel like it.

641
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,880
Give yourself permission to take time out to understand your body and what's

642
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,320
happening to it as you age or give yourself permission to

643
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,480
step away from a toxic relationship or friend.

644
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:43,080
I think that is at least my mantra for me at the moment as I'm trying to navigate

645
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,680
what's going to happen, because I feel like maybe some of it started.

646
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,280
Maybe it hasn't. Maybe it's all in my head.

647
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,400
I don't know. But I really want to be prepared for it.

648
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,560
And I think if you're prepared, if I'm at least prepared

649
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,680
by giving myself permission to understand what's happening, to research about it,

650
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,440
listen to topics on it, speak to people like yourselves,

651
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,280
then that's probably probably my best

652
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,920
mantra that I would pass on to anyone else.

653
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,160
And I think it's wonderful.

654
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,760
I think having permission to just be yourself is is important.

655
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,840
And I think it will help not only with your

656
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,080
sort of mental health, but also your physical health as well.

657
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,400
So that's amazing.

658
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,160
Well, thank you so much for having me.

659
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,240
Thanks so much, Amy. Thank you.

660
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,160
This is Paul, our editor.

661
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,000
He's a 25 year old unmarried Singaporean guy listening to the ramblings of 12

662
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,960
older women on everything from menopause to weightlifting to sex.

663
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,240
So, Paul, what's your thoughts on today's conversation?

664
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,280
Hey, guys, what's up? Paul here again.

665
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,960
You know, for this episode, Amy, I really

666
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,400
enjoyed when you mentioned that your family prioritizes breakfast together.

667
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,720
And I think it's pretty cool.

668
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:57,600
And it's something that my family doesn't do. But it's really amazing because it's

669
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,360
such an important meal. Plus, you know, you guys get to spend family bonding time

670
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,720
together, which is really nice. Also, I love the quote when you mentioned

671
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,240
give yourself permission to take time and understand your body and what's

672
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,240
happening to it as you age. And, you know, I think many times in this day and age,

673
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,480
we are always busy and stressed and we don't really have time to take a pause,

674
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:27,040
take a second and slow time down and, you know, really care for ourselves.

675
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,280
And I think that's that's pretty important.

676
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,400
So pretty cool. I'll catch you guys in the next one.

677
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,000
I'll see you.

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00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,520
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703
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,160
And it was it was intense.

704
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,160
So intense.

705
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,920
But to be fair, by they were ourselves until we got to about one years old.

706
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,640
And then I felt like all their teeth came out.

707
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,840
They came out super fast.

708
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,600
Then they were angels and I was like, oh,

709
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,760
they were so much easier than my own.

710
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,040
Yeah, they just need to get through that biological.

711
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:53,840
Yeah.

712
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:54,800
Yeah.

713
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,120
So you've got two girls, two girls, six and eight.

714
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,520
Oh, good ages.

715
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:00,320
God, I can't wait for that time.

716
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:00,800
Yeah.

717
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,120
Cannot wait for that time.

718
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,480
No baby paraphernalia at all anymore.

719
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,640
Yeah, I would have liked a third, to be honest.

720
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,480
But my husband was pretty adamant that that was going to be it.

721
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,440
I think financially that was his biggest

722
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,680
driver at the time, because we were just so strapped for cash.

723
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:22,320
And I think now it would have been like, oh, yeah, like we could always make it work.

724
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:22,720
Right.

725
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,160
It just doesn't matter.

726
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,760
Once the baby's there, you know, no one's sending it back.

727
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,560
Exactly.

728
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,760
It's true.

729
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,680
And I came from two.

730
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,880
He came from three.

731
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,640
So it was like a bit of a role reversal that we had changed up.

732
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,280
Was he the third by any chance?

733
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,440
He was the first.

734
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,760
I feel like if he was the third, he would be like, let's go.

735
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,200
Exactly.

736
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,600
Oh, dear.