Hey, hey, we're back.
It's season two of the 40s formula.
And hey, a lot has changed in season one.
Not only have we left you for a few months,
but I am no longer pregnant,
which is about the greatest feeling on earth.
And my dog is now humping everything.
Oh, Coda.
We're getting through.
Yeah, and you know, we love being in studio so much
that we decided to bring the studio to you in season two.
So you may have noticed we are now video and audio,
so you can hear us in your ears and see us in your eyes.
Woohoo.
So we are super excited to have season two up and rolling.
And we've got a lineup of great guests for you
talking about all the important issues
for women in their 40s.
So stay tuned.
["The 40s Feminine"]
Hey, hey, and welcome to the 40s formula.
You're going to a place for insightful discussions
on navigating the 40s
and thriving in this transformative decade.
We're your hosts, Jasmine and Amanda,
two women that are passionate about exploring
the challenges and adventures
that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead.
["The 40s Feminine"]
Teresa Pina is an award-winning nutritionist
specializing in hormonal and gut health for women.
With a background in education,
Teresa is using her skills and knowledge
to help women navigate nutrition
through various stages of their life,
including peri and postmenopause.
Teresa firmly believes in the power of food as medicine,
advocating for a holistic approach to both her client's
physical and emotional wellbeing.
Teresa crafts personalized meal plans
tailored to her client's unique needs and preferences.
Her meal plans are not only nutritious,
but also practical and easy to integrate into everyday life
to create sustainable habits
for long-term health and vitality.
Hi, Teresa.
We're so excited to have you here
in the 40s formula today.
Thank you for having me.
This is awesome.
Oh, it's our pleasure.
And actually, this is a topic
that's really close to my heart.
I started experiencing perimenopausal symptoms at 36.
And since then, I feel like it's basically
changed the trajectory of my life
because I started focusing on nutrition
and it's almost like everything's
like falling into place for me.
What was it about nutrition and in particular hormones
that interested you and made you wanna go down this route?
Well, I think the main reason I have a passion
about perimenopause and nutrition around perimenopause
is because we haven't really talked
about perimenopause before.
It's not a topic that five, 10 years ago
was something that people knew about.
I don't think even the term perimenopause
has been brought up in the last five, 10 years or 20 years.
And so people start not feeling themselves
at some point 10 years before menopause hits
and nobody could pinpoint what the reason was.
So if you had depression,
they will give you antidepressant.
If you have vaginal dryness or you have UTIs,
they will say you have an infection.
And if you were feeling moody, it's your hormones.
And you suddenly started putting weight
on your abdominal area and no reason why,
because nothing has changed in your diet.
And it wasn't menopause and it wasn't anything else.
Nothing came out on your blood tests.
So for me, that was something that I believed women
had access to and to understand.
So for me, I think that is one of the reasons,
like trying to advocate for women
and to have that information and what nutrition
is important for them so they can understand better
what kind of changes they need to be making
at that stage of their lives.
So obviously hormones do affect the woman's transition.
What sort of changes do women see
and how do their nutritional needs affect those hormones?
How can they go ahead and help ease those transitions?
Well, I think the most important thing we need to understand
is that 10 years before you hit menopause,
your estrogen levels start declining, right?
So estrogen is a very anti-inflammatory hormone.
It's anti-inflammatory for your heart, your lungs,
your bones, your muscles, your brain, your gut,
even your kidneys.
So with that in mind, we have to think that
if your estrogen levels start declining,
everything else is going to start failing.
So the symptoms that we get in perimenopause
are kind of similar to the symptoms
that you will get during menopause.
So you will start getting moodiness.
You will start getting hot flashes, mood swings.
You will start increasing weight in your abdominal area
or in other areas as well.
Definitely seen that.
Yeah.
And so those are things that we have to consider
that will happen during perimenopause.
But because you don't understand it,
you don't think that that is something to do with menopause
or that your estrogen levels are declining that big.
We have to think that during perimenopause,
you will start losing about 20 to 40% of your estrogen levels.
So it's a huge amount, right?
So the first thing we need to think that is that
when you start on perimenopause,
the first thing that happens is your appetite regulation changes.
So your estrogen regulates your appetite.
So there are two hormones, right?
You have your leptin and ghrelin,
and your estrogen will regulate that.
So when your estrogen levels are high,
leptin, that is the one that helps you to feel satiated,
will increase and you will satiate faster.
And when your estrogen levels decline,
then ghrelin will increase.
And then that means that you're going to feel hungrier more often.
So it's like...
You can say that the ghrelin is like a grrrr in your stomach.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
That's a good point.
Then the other aspect that we have to consider
is your metabolic rate.
When the estrogen levels are high,
your metabolic rate is higher.
And you consume more calories,
and your expenditure is obviously higher.
But again, when your estrogen levels decline,
your expenditure also drops.
And that means your metabolic rate is going to drop as well.
So there is a study that came out very recently
that showed that your metabolic rate doesn't change.
It only changed four times in your lifetime.
And during this period of time, it doesn't change.
But what this study doesn't really reflect
is that your estrogen levels decline.
And that means that your expenditure is also going to decline.
So that is one thing that we have to remember.
Right?
And that's one thing that maybe people don't understand.
So that means that you're going to put on weight more easily
because you're eating the same,
but you are expending less calories
due to that estrogen decline.
So I guess during that period, your muscle mass also tends to decline as well.
Absolutely.
And then with less muscle mass, as you would know...
Yeah, we tested every single day.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, estrogen influences the way we create muscle.
So the more estrogen, the more muscle you create.
So if your estrogen is lower,
then obviously you're going to find it harder
to put on muscle and to create muscle.
And then the next part is your body composition.
Estrogen influences the distribution of body fat.
It favors a lower accumulation of fat in your abdominal area
and more in your hips.
But when you start in perimenopause
and that estrogen levels again decline,
it's going to favor that fat accumulation in your abdominal area
without you doing anything different.
Definitely struggling with that.
So those are the major challenges that women are going to see
during perimenopause.
Does that mean that there's nothing we can do about it?
Or is there a way that we can eat
in order to make sure that we can optimize better body composition?
Of course.
I mean, the thing is, we can't just say
there is nothing you can do about it.
You can't.
The thing is, you have to make changes.
You cannot say, I'm going to be continuing eating the same way.
I'm going to be continuing eating the same things
because we are not the same anymore.
It's the same as when you're 10 years old.
You're not the same as when you're 40 or when you're 20.
You're not the same as when you were 50, right?
You can't eat the same as when you were 15 years old.
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And we have to prioritize hydration.
And we have to definitely minimize
certain things such as processed foods, sugars,
and I'm sorry to say it, but alcohol as well.
We don't tolerate alcohol the same way
as we did before we started hitting perimenopause.
And that's a huge one.
The WHO just came out in January and made a formal statement
that no amount of alcohol is safe in terms of cancer risk,
so relative specifically to that.
But I think that applies similarly
to menopausal women, which is there
is no level that's going to assist you
in that transition.
So if you choose to drink, all cool.
That's your choice.
But nothing's helping you.
Yeah, and when I have my clients and I do my sessions with them,
the first thing that they ask me is,
can I have my one, two, three glasses of alcohol?
They say, I cannot recommend you any amount of alcohol.
Any amount of alcohol you take is
in detriment of your health.
So it's up to you how much you want.
But for me, obviously, I can't recommend you any amount.
Because your body at this point, especially your liver,
needs to detoxify all the toxins, all the excess hormones,
and make sure it's metabolizing the hormones in your body
the right way.
So it's very important that we don't put that excess toxins.
Your liver is going to have to detoxify.
And it's a burden that you're putting to your liver.
And so therefore, it's something that we
need to try to avoid as much as possible.
For some women who don't really want to go down the route
of using HRT, are there any types of nutrients
that they can consume that may help with symptoms,
such as hot flushes or night sweats, the vaginal dryness?
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When I entered perimenopause, I almost didn't believe it.
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That's what I hear from so many women,
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I mean, yeah.
I mean, I think the most important thing
that we need to consider in terms of if we're
talking about supplements, is that what it's all about.
Even through food.
Or even through food.
I mean, the most important is try
to keep your inflammation down, right?
It's always key.
So I always recommend to my clients
to follow a variant inflammatory diet, which, as we say,
is like try to increase whole foods as much as possible.
Vegetables, fruits, lean proteins, omega-3 foods.
I cannot emphasize high enough how good sardines or mackerel
are for you.
So for women, I know it's a very fishy type of fish.
I like both.
I can't help myself.
And it's number one.
But the amount.
Salty, isn't it?
Yeah.
Sardines, the good thing about sardines
is that it's a variant inflammatory, very high
in omega-3, which is going to be very
helpful to your nervous system.
It's going to bring down anxiety.
It's going to minimize the risk of depression, which
are very, you know, they can occur quite often
during perimenopause.
And so sardines have like 20 times more of omega-3
than salmon, for example.
But also less toxins, because it's a very small fish.
So the amount of heavy matter that that fish can actually
accumulate is very minimal.
And also it has to be wild caught,
because sardines cannot be farm raised.
So it's a very clean fish to eat.
So something like that, eating at least once a week
can do wonders for your health.
Walnuts, chia seeds, all those kind of foods
are great for the amount of omega-3 that they have.
Then it will be also great to increase your vitamin D,
because of bone health.
So we focus a lot on calcium.
That is great.
But we have to also increase your vitamin D.
We need vitamin D. We need magnesium
to be able to really absorb calcium in our bones.
Otherwise, we're actually leaching out minerals
rather than absorbing minerals.
The same doesn't apply if you go and take a walk in the sun.
It's only if you're taking a vitamin D supplement
rather than.
No, you can actually, you know, at 10 minutes
when the sun is high, it's a great way
to absorb vitamin D. The problem nowadays
is that because we use a lot of sun cream,
we're blocking a lot.
So if you're wearing long sleeves,
and you're wearing sun cream, SPF,
and you're wearing a hat and glasses and covered completely,
you're not absorbing vitamin D. You
have to have the skin exposed.
You can tell you've lived in Asia for some time.
I will say, for our listeners in California,
that's not a common sight.
I know.
I hear that in every day.
Exactly.
So that's something.
But eating foods rich in vitamin D, like dairy, eggs,
mushrooms as well.
They're a great environment.
And then we can increase our consumption of foods
rich in magnesium, which is a muscle.
It helps to relax your muscles.
It helps to relax your brain as well.
And that is going to help you with your sleep.
That is an issue during perimenopause.
So that's something that you can take, either as a supplement
or through foods.
Nuts, seeds, leafy greens, very rich in magnesium.
And then for hot flashes, it's a great idea
to take something like black cohosh.
Oh, I thought you were going to say black coffee.
I thought black coffee as well.
I was like, yes.
So black cohosh is great because it mimics estrogen.
It has compounds that mimic estrogen.
And it will help to kind of minimize the symptoms
of estrogen-caused symptoms, such as hot sweats
and problems with sleeping.
And then cooling foods, watermelon, cucumbers,
leafy greens, those are great to keep the temperature down
for hot sweats.
And what about sort of cruciferous vegetables?
How can that sort of help?
Cruciferous vegetables are great because they
help to support your liver function.
And so they help to actually to maintain,
to support the liver to detoxify from, obviously,
all the excess hormones and the toxins
that we need to detoxify.
And when that happens, then everything works better
because it metabolizes your hormones better.
You have the hormones that your body actually need.
And they're not those huge fluctuations
that is the main issue with perimenopause.
Because we decline on the hormones.
But that decline, if it's balanced,
I mean, you have a good ratio of progesterone and estrogen,
it's not going to cause as many issues as if you have
a huge disbalance or the ratio is not right between progesterone
and estrogen.
So we want to keep that ratio the right way
so there is not those peaks where then the hot flashes comes
or the nice sweats or the moody swings and stuff like that.
So for those who aren't aware, cruciferous vegetables
are things like your broccoli, your kale, your cauliflower,
cabbage.
When it comes to gut health, that
seems to be quite a trending topic right now.
How much of a role does that play
with regards to your symptoms, your menopausal symptoms
or perimenopausal symptoms?
Health is crucial because it's where
the hormones metabolize, so they have a great role.
But we also have to consider that estrogen and progesterone
have a role in your gut health.
So your progesterone helps to create mucus
that is very important for the integrity of your gut lining.
And then estrogen is very anti-inflammatory
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And one thing that happens is that when your estrogen levels
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Some women start developing food sensitivities
because there is not that anti-inflammatory protection
in your gut.
And so your body is heightened and alarm,
and things that didn't have an effect in your body before
have now.
So if you probably had been eating, I don't know,
walnuts for all your life, and suddenly you develop
a sensitivity to walnuts.
That's my mom, by the way.
It's really funny you picked that up.
Oh my gosh.
She was eating walnuts, no problem,
and now all of a sudden she's like,
I'm allergic to walnuts.
Every time she eats them, she gets an itchy throat.
Yeah.
That, yeah.
So anyway, please continue.
No, no.
And it's because their gut lining has been compromised,
developed what is called a leaky gut.
It's more common during perimenopause.
And suddenly, you develop some food sensitivities
that cause you to be more bloated.
So that's an extra side effect that you
might get during perimenopause.
You're bloated, or you develop eczema,
or suddenly you develop acne, or rashes, or joint pain.
Because obviously, joint pain could be also
caused by food sensitivities.
And so that's something that we have to consider.
And so maintaining a healthy microbiome
is crucial during perimenopause.
So increasing your intake of fermented foods,
like tempeh, miso, kimchi, sauerkraut, kombucha,
Greek yogurt.
All the stuff I love.
Those are perfect, actually.
So fermented carrots, I mean, anything
that has life probiotics will help
to maintain a healthy microbiome and work with you
instead of against you.
And I think this is where your previous point about you
cannot apply the same strategies you did in your 20s
to your nutrition in your 40s and 50s.
And this is a perfect example.
I hear so many women in my practice that say,
oh, I used to just skip a few meals when I was 20,
and I'd lose a couple pounds by the next morning.
OK, that's great.
But in your 40s and 50s, skipping meals is poor science.
You need to be strategic with the foods that you intake,
and you need to be intentional.
Absolutely.
And one of the things that happened
during perimenopause is that we developed
insulin resistance.
We are more sensitive to insulin,
and we don't manage blood sugar the same way.
It's more difficult for you to manage your blood sugar.
And so one thing that we have to be careful
is what kind of foods you're eating.
Make sure that you prioritize fiber.
It's important to have 25 grams of fiber a day as a woman
in your 40s.
You have to prioritize protein, have protein every meal,
and fats, healthy fats.
So those are the main priorities if you
want to maintain a balanced blood sugar.
Make sure that you don't develop insulin sensitivity, right?
And you're feeding your hormones, your endocrine system,
and feeding your guts, and making sure that everything
is working well.
I tend to get a lot of clients who will say,
I'm really good at the start of the week,
and then come Friday, I just don't know what happened,
but I just let loose.
And then I can't help myself, and I end up just
overindulging.
And then I'm back to square one again every Monday,
and then I don't see progress.
Now, what would you say to somebody
who is in that cycle of being good or restrictive, Monday
to Friday, or even morning to evening,
and then all of a sudden it's like, bam.
When that happens, obviously, we're
not having a balanced diet.
So you have to start from there.
So it's looking at, obviously, what
they're eating throughout the week,
because it's probably very restrictive.
If they're really nourishing their bodies,
they're not really going to be craving many other foods.
And it's OK to have treats.
And that's why the word was created.
It's a treat.
So there are certain foods that we should treat them as treats.
And that is something that I can remember.
Last time I had an ice cream.
Oh, I fancy an ice cream.
Have the ice cream.
But if you remember very quickly when the last time you
had an ice cream, it was too soon.
So you have to kind of concede and grant those cravings when
they come, because they're fine.
But you have to be mindful that we
should treat them as a treat.
And nowadays, with the amount of delivery options and type
of foods and stores, it's very difficult
not to have what you want to have every single day.
But we need to be mindful that you have
to prioritize nourishing your body.
And if you do that with the right foods, as we discussed,
you are going to just treat your weekends with more respect.
And you're just going to have maybe a piece of cake
for someone's birthday, and it's fine.
And then maybe another day you're going out
and you're going to have maybe a side of fries.
But you're not going to do that on Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday, because you understand how your body works
and what your body needs.
And once you feed it with the right foods,
you're going to feel nourished and happy.
What would you say to somebody who says, I'm barely eating.
I'm having 1,000 to 1,200 calories a day.
But yet I still seem to be gaining weight.
What do you think is happening there, or what are they doing?
Or how can they improve on what they're doing in order
to start seeing changes in their body composition,
rather than just focusing on that weight element?
I mean, if you're eating 1,000 calories a day,
I'm pretty sure you'll be losing weight.
So I never is pretty sure.
So that never happens.
Indeed, there is a study that shows that it was done
in a group of women that they all were 100% sure
that they didn't consume more than 1,500 calories a day.
They analyzed all their food intake,
and it was over 2,500 calories.
I read this study.
I read this study and relished in it.
And so when someone says that, it's not happening.
If you're eating 1,000 calories a day,
you will be losing weight.
And there is no, oh, my metabolism is stagnant,
or I'm flat, plateau.
No, you're 1,000 calories a day.
I promise you, you lose weight no matter what.
What might be happening is that, obviously,
there is snacking, things that they don't realize.
Because most of the times, our brain
don't register when we snack, because we
want to forget that, right?
Taste this while we're cooking, eat the kitchen leftovers,
trying this.
But they're not eating nourishing foods.
So they're constantly craving and hungry.
So that brings their cortisol up.
And they're in a flight and fight mode.
And when that happens, your body is very smart.
It's going to learn to try to find whatever energy you
have in your body, and it's going to save it
in the form of fat, because your body doesn't know
when you're going to eat next, when you are in a stress
situation.
So that's probably what's happening.
They're not nourishing their bodies.
Their cortisol is high.
And their body is just accumulating fat
whenever it's possible, right?
In clinical language, we call that overfed and undernourished.
Absolutely, yeah.
You know, too many calories and not enough nutrients.
Yeah.
So if you were to curate a plate for an ideal,
or not an ideal client, but for a lady who's
going through perimenopause, what would you
suggest that she eat?
Say, if you just sort of run through the day,
what she could have for breakfast,
followed by lunch, dinner, any snacks.
What would be your sort of ideal meal plan?
So something, let's, for example, someone
that is perimenopause, a woman, we will probably
start in the morning with drinking lots of water,
keep themselves hydrated, just make sure
that they do a good cleanse of their colon,
their digestive system, maybe a little bit of lemon
in that water, a little bit of chia seeds.
If that person maybe has issues with bowel movements,
so it can help to kind of move things along very quickly
in the morning.
Coffee?
I feel like coffee helps.
A good pool in the morning, so it sounds like it.
But the difference between coffee and chia seeds,
chia seeds have omega-3, very healthy oils
that will clean up your colon in a very healthy way,
instead of coffee that will just basically kind of air-sahle.
Nothing wrong with coffee, but different ways of working.
And then obviously a breakfast, especially if it's on the go,
you don't want to spend too long in the kitchen.
It's just a Greek yogurt.
It's a great one with a scoop of protein powder in it.
If you want to increase in, make sure
that you hit 30 grams of protein in the morning
and see if that works for you.
Some pumpkin seeds, walnuts chopped there, some berries.
Fantastic for you.
Lots of fiber, lots of antioxidants.
Best fruit for you, very low in glycemic index.
And that could be a nice breakfast in the morning.
Then keep hydrated throughout the morning.
If you're not doing any other intense exercise,
just keep hydration up.
There is no need to be eating snacks in the morning
if you're not doing anything very tiring, right?
If you're not on your feet all day,
if you're working at an office, just keep hydrated.
Herbal teas, water, kombucha, if you fancy something more bubbly.
And then for lunch, I love for lunch a nice salad.
So lots of greens, lots of crucifers,
some chopped broccoli, kale, spinach,
lots of vitamin B there and minerals.
And then adding a good piece of protein could be tempeh,
it could be tofu, it could be chicken,
it could be salmon, sardines.
I was going to say, this could be a sardine opportunity.
Macarill.
And very simple because you can just open up a tin of sardines
and just pour it into your salad.
Simple.
Avocado, half an avocado is perfect.
Great fiber and great healthy fats there.
And then for a snack, it could be something like apples
with some nuts.
Just keep it simple.
Just nuts and fruit, nuts and fruit for afternoon.
And sort of combining the fruit with the nuts too.
Yeah, it's a fantastic combination.
Lots of fiber, lots of fats and protein.
You can also have some ricotta cheese
if you want to increase your protein,
if it wasn't enough at lunch.
And then for dinner, just keep it very simple.
Grill fish, grill meat with a side of vegetables,
as many vegetables as you want.
There is no limit of how many vegetables you can have.
Just one tablespoon of olive oil per person.
That's kind of like the measurement.
Just have as many vegetables as you need to fill full.
And it could be also beans.
Beans are a great source of fiber.
So you can do a mix of vegetables with beans
and a side of meat or fish.
So that kind of thing, that's probably the best for you.
And then after that, you can have a piece of fruit
or a little bit of yogurt or a herbal tea.
Valerian root or chamomile, very helpful to relax your mind.
So preparing you for sleep.
And that would be a great way to eat for the diet.
And I love that you just kept saying the word simple.
Simple, yeah.
Because I think that that is something that people definitely
overcomplicate, is that eating healthy,
it has to be recipes.
And you have to get a certain balance, a book
with 16 ingredients per meal and make
sure you have your anti-inflammatory and everything.
Now, at the end of the day, exactly what you said,
combining whole foods in a way that
gets you a lot of plants and fiber
and a lot of lean protein.
That's it.
There is no other magic there.
One thing that women in also the impairment of pores
can benefit a lot is consuming, if you're not sensitive,
is to increase your consumption of soy.
Soy has estrogen-like effects, and it
can help minimize a lot the symptoms because
of the estrogenic effects that these foods have.
So eating more tofu, maybe instead
of having regular milk, go for soy milk.
Tempeh, tofu, edamame beans added to your salad,
it's something that will help to minimize.
Indeed, in Japan, the word menopause didn't exist.
There was no word for menopause because they
didn't have that transition.
They didn't have the symptoms.
And after studying that, they realized
that one of the causes was the high consumption of soy
products.
And soy also can help you to minimize
the risk of breast cancer and increases your bone health
and minimizes the risk of osteoporosis.
So soy is one of the foods that I will say to women
not to be afraid and to start consuming more.
Yeah, and we have the privilege of having access
to non-farmed Monsanto-style soy.
So take that with a grain of salt for our American listeners.
But here in Asia, we have access to fantastic soy products.
Try to go for organic, non-GMO soy, and you will be fine.
You've definitely got my grilling going off right now.
But you've given us so much food for thought,
and it's been amazing having you here.
Before we finish up, I do want to ask,
what's your 40s formula?
If you were to give some advice to our listeners,
what would you say would be the best way that they
can thrive in their 40s?
I think the best way is focus on whole foods.
Be mindful when you're eating.
Be aware of your food cues and your hunger cues.
Be hydrated.
Hydrate yourself.
Prioritize sleep and self-care.
So I think those are probably the main tips
I will give someone that wants to be great in their 40s.
That's brilliant.
Yeah, thank you so much.
That sounds like a recipe for success.
Oh, for sure.
Thank you, Tracea.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
This is Paul, our editor.
He's a 25-year-old unmarried Singaporean guy
listening to the ramblings of 12 older women on everything
from menopause to weightlifting to sex.
So Paul, what's your thoughts on today's conversation?
Hey, guys.
What's up?
Paul here.
So for this episode, I'll be really, really honest.
I can't really relate to paramenopause and menopause
and whatnot, mainly because I'm a dude.
I'm a guy in my 20s.
And obviously, I don't go through paramenopause.
But with that said, however, I think paramenopause is important.
And being so a dude with a partner in my 20s,
but still, it's something that's good to know,
especially when my partner reaches that point in life.
And at least I'll be able to understand
the symptoms of paramenopause and support her, help her.
And the whole idea of eating whole grains, whole foods,
in proteins, omega-3 foods, and unfortunately,
less sugars and alcohol, which is something that we both like.
But it's something that has to give, I guess.
But anyway, well, that's where parahealth comes in.
Well, psych.
No, I'm just kidding.
Anyway, I'll catch you guys in the next episode.
I'll see you guys around.
See ya.
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And that's it.
And you got the love to give to them, right?
And people, when they see me with kids, like, oh, I'm surprised you don't have kids because
you're, you know, you can give them back.
And you're with, I say, I don't have kids, I have patients.
Exactly.
So I can spend time with my nephew.
An excess of love to give.
Oh, yeah.
Versus like your last thread of love.
I say that I'm like, I can't deal with other people's kids because I can barely deal with
my own.
In my case, I'm like a magnet.
I attract kids and dogs for some reason.
Do you want a babysitter?
Anytime.
I've got three kids and I don't have a dog.
Anytime.
And so, and it's fine.
But yeah, some people find it like, oh, you don't have kids.
Like, we're like, yes.
And I still survive.
Exactly.
Like, is that living my best life?
Yeah.
So I understand why people might think only one girl unsatuated fights for others versus