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Hey hey and welcome to the Forties Formula, your go-to place for insightful discussions

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on navigating the forties and thriving in this transformative decade.

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We're your hosts, Jasmine and Amanda, two women that are passionate about exploring

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the challenges and adventures that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead.

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Today we're diving into the world of holistic nutrition and the transformative power of

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real food and lifestyle choices.

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Our guest today, Rihanna Rupani, is a holistic nutritionist with a deep passion for helping

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others create lasting changes through the choices they make in their diet and daily

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life.

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Rihanna, a mother of three, has had her share of life's challenges.

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She spent over 15 years in the corporate world until her own health gave her a powerful wake

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up call.

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Dealing with health issues such as PCOS, ulcerative colitis and infertility, Rihanna discovered

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the incredible potential of diet and lifestyle changes to turn her life around.

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She understands the unique pressures of balancing work, family and self-care and today she's

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here to share her insights and experiences.

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A true foodie, Rihanna is also a recipe developer, food blogger and the founder of Everyday,

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a range of flavor forward products made from real food ingredients to elevate your daily

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meals.

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She works with individual clients, leads a global group called Clean in 15 and collaborates

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with corporations, restaurants and brands to educate, promote awareness and create healthy

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and delicious recipes.

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I am so excited with today's guest.

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We've got Rihanna Rupani here, a fellow foodie and holistic nutritionist who is showing the

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world that eating healthy doesn't mean dry chicken and broccoli.

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Welcome Rihanna.

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Thank you.

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I'm so excited to be here.

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We're so excited to have you.

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So you spent more than 15 years in the corporate environment and then something happened.

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What was it?

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So yeah, I spent most of my life working in finance.

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But during this time, during the whole process of me, you know, doing the corporate thing,

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working hard, playing hard, supposedly doing all the right things, my body was kind of

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breaking down.

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I don't want to say I burnt out, but I did.

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I was basically burning out and I was lucky enough and fortunate enough to make the realization

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that something wasn't right, that the pieces weren't fitting and I was able to make a change.

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So I mean, just to give you a little bit of background, I feel like I was always somebody

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who kind of suffered with different ailments and issues, but I didn't know that it was

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a problem because I continuously was told that, oh, this is normal.

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You know, just take this pill or just do that.

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So you know, I had PCOS.

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I was diagnosed at 16 years old.

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In my 20s, I had ridiculously bad cystic acne, mood swings, etc.

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Again, I was told, you know, take another pill.

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And then it came to in my 30s when I was trying to get pregnant while I was still working

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in my corporate job and that wasn't working.

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And again, you know, doctors were really helpful and wonderful at helping me, you know, deal

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with my symptoms, finally conceiving my first child.

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But none of them were able to tell me why.

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Like, why did I have PCOS?

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Why was I dealing with cystic acne?

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Why was I always moody?

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Why was I dealing with infertility?

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And that's what really got me started down the rabbit hole, you know, with Dr. Google

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just searching and researching and looking into, you know, root causes and asking those

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questions.

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And it was from there that, you know, it just started to point me into that direction of

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food and lifestyle.

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Yeah.

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I feel like your story really resonates with me because I can see that what you've went

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through was exactly what I went through.

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You know, you just wonder why am I period so bad and your doctor's telling you, oh,

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it's okay, it's normal.

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It happens to some people.

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And then wondering why am I not getting pregnant?

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Why are all these things happening to me?

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And then obviously, like you mentioned, Dr. Google, and you know, they say that curiosity

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killed the cat.

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I feel like it saved this guy.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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Yeah, there is something you can, you know, you can say you can dive a little bit too

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deep.

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But, you know, with this, same for me.

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It totally saved my life.

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And, you know, my husband and I run Lyft Clinic, which is like a medical wellness clinic here

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in Singapore.

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And we always say that just because something is normal or in range doesn't mean it's optimal.

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And I think when I'm in my 40s, right, I am all about living optimally and getting to

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that next level.

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So just because something's normal, that's not okay enough for me.

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I need it to be its best.

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But is having messed up periods normal?

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I feel like that should not, that is not normal, right?

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So that's the other thing, right?

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And now, even, you know, I do meet like a lot of young ladies and they're like, oh,

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yeah, I get it maybe once every other month or I don't know when the last time it was.

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And I always say your period is like your vital sign for women, right?

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That clock, that rhythm means things are working the way they need to.

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And I always say just because, or I've heard this and now I say, just because something

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is common doesn't mean it's normal.

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And that's what we're confusing with because it's very common to have irregular periods.

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It's very common for women to have to deal with, you know, terrible perimenopause symptoms.

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It's very common for us to, you know, have mood swings, et cetera.

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And we're told it's just because you're a woman that's, you know, it's part of life.

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It's not.

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It's common, but it's not.

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I feel like if it was men going through this, they would have figured it out ages ago.

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But because it's women, it's like, no, no, no, it's fine.

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Another thing to deal with.

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Exactly.

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And, you know, even so many of these studies that you, you know, people keep quoting this

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study and that study and whatnot.

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More than 80% of them are not even conducted on women because of our fluctuating hormones.

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So that's what I'm really hoping starts to change more.

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I mean, it is changing, but, you know, our fluctuating hormones are a beautiful thing

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and they are complicated and that's okay.

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We need to learn to understand that and, you know, work accordingly.

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So you said you started to make changes.

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What type of changes did you make and how did you feel it affected you when those changes

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were implemented?

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Yeah.

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So I was always a foodie.

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I love delicious, yummy food, but I was never cooking it myself.

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So, you know, my mom even used to tease me that you're going to become like a, like a

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taste tester or you're going to, you know, go to restaurants and review restaurants and

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whatnot.

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So, yeah, I loved food.

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And then the biggest change was taking food into my own hands and starting to prepare

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it myself for the most part.

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I still completely enjoy dining out and indulging and whatnot, but really understanding what

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was going into my food was a really big switch.

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I think the other big switch in regards to my diet that I made was I was always following

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like a low calorie, low fat diet.

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And I know there are a lot of women out there who feel the same or were or still are doing

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the same where, you know, they're told or they grew up in that generation of thinking

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fat is going to make them fat and you need to stick within a 1200 calorie diet, et cetera.

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So the second I kind of was like, okay, I'm going to bite the bullet and throw out the

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calorie counter and just kind of focus on my intuition and, you know, go with it.

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It was like, wow, like life changing, life changing.

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I love that.

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I think you're absolutely right that so many women spend decades trapped in that kind of

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less is more mentality.

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And I think maybe that is one of the things that's so freeing in our 40s is that it's

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like no, actually more is more.

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More muscle is more.

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Better digestion is more pooping every day.

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That's more.

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So, you know, if you don't eat enough to actually formulate a poop, that is definitely a problem.

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It's like all of these extremes that we, you know, we get stuck in.

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And even now, to be honest, like you often find that certain macronutrients are kind

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of demonized.

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Like there's the good and the bad and it doesn't exist.

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There is no good and bad.

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There is a balance and understanding your body and understanding how to incorporate

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the right amount for you.

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So, you know, before it was fat was bad.

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Now it's carbs are bad.

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Before you know it.

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I mean, it's already kind of coming out with the whole carnivore philosophy.

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You have haters saying protein, too much protein is bad.

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It's bad for your kidneys.

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So yes, anything in extreme.

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And plants are bad because they're going to kill you.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Plants are poison.

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I mean, anything in extreme, whether it's a good food, there's no good and bad food.

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But anything in extreme is not going to be optimal.

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It's funny you say that because today, I mean, I've got two monitors on my arm.

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You can see I've got a glucose monitor and a ketone monitor.

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And my boys were really intrigued and they were like, mommy, which one's a good one?

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Which one's a bad one?

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And I had to explain to them that both of them are good and both of them can be bad.

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Like there's no good and bad in, you know, one sense.

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It's not that I need to have my glucose completely flat and my ketones skyrocketing.

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Any extreme on either of them can be bad and both of them can be good.

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Like your body needs to utilize both.

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And I think people always think of me as the keto person.

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I started off that way, but it doesn't mean that that is my method now.

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And that's how I help my clients.

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I help them understand sort of metabolic flexibility.

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And as carnivores, there are certain things we need carnivores, omnivores, omnivores,

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there are certain things that we need to eat.

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You know, that means, you know, nourishing your body with the right amount of protein

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and eating plants and things like that.

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So how do you sort of get around sort of food challenges with your clients?

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Oh, that's a tough one.

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Because right, so many, so I work with predominant, I work with men, but I do work with predominantly

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women.

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And you come in with so many preconceived notions and so many fears.

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You know, you kind of cling on to food is emotional as well, right?

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I mean, let's just say that, you know, food is, you know, there to provide us comfort.

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It is there to bring us together, you know, whether it's socially as a family, and it

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needs to be embraced and it needs to be celebrated.

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So a lot of times when I do work with clients, you know, they're very worried that I'm going

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to take away their favorite foods, that I'm going to put them on this bland and boring

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diet of, you know, grilled chicken and steamed broccoli.

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So oftentimes what I do is, you know, I tell them upfront always, you know, you got to

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trust me, you got to trust the process.

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You've come to me, you know a little bit about me.

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That's why you're coming to me.

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So just give me a chance, give me two weeks.

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And I always, always, you know, I make sure to tell them as well, right, nutrition, holistic

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nutrition, it's not black and white, right?

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It's about playing detective, figuring out your body and making those tweaks and changes

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along the way.

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And that's what I'm there for to support you with, to help you make those tweaks and changes

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along the way.

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So once that you build that trust, and once they try the food, then you definitely find

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that they're a lot more receptive.

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Can you explain the concept of holistic nutrition as opposed to the traditional types of approaches

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that people use?

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Yeah, so I think the biggest difference and the biggest confusion I would say is a lot

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of people think when they think of nutrition, they think of maybe perhaps like a dietician.

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But what a holistic nutritionist does is they look at the body as a whole.

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So not just what you're eating.

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And I always say it's about not just what you eat, how you eat, when you eat, why you

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eat.

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So that's the whole food part of it.

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But then also understanding how our lifestyle and our mindset also plays a part.

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You know, you go to a doctor sometimes, let's say you have a tummy upset, and you go to

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a gastro doctor, and they look at just your digestion, right, just your gut or just your

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stomach.

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But we all know, for example, that our stomach, our gut is very much related and linked to

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our brain.

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So as a holistic nutritionist, we want to make sure we're looking at the body as a whole

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and not just targeting into one area because it's all connected.

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I understand that like chronic cortisol levels being constantly elevated can really impact

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your body, you know, in terms of like your digestion and all that stuff.

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Now, some people may have sort of corporate careers or demanding lifestyles and demanding

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jobs.

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What sort of changes can they make, you know, when like leaving their current lifestyle is

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not an option?

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Yeah.

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This also was very much me.

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So I'm not telling anyone to do this.

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But when I left my job, I was scared, like nobody knew.

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And to the point where I did not even want to have the conversation with my boss at the

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time or anybody actually that I was working with that I was feeling like this.

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And I feel like that being vocal and speaking up for yourself is step one, right?

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If you're feeling like your boundaries are being pushed constantly, we all have times

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that are going to be busy, etc.

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But if you constantly feel like you're, you know, burning the candle at both ends, then

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speak up.

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Because what I found is the second I was able to speak up, my boss at that time, she was

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like, wow, she was like, I would never have even known that you were feeling like this.

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So I was fortunate enough, she was like, take a sabbatical, take some time off, figure things

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out if that's what you want, don't quit.

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But having that, being able to just vocalize how you're feeling is a big, big step.

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I was following a career and burnout recovery coach.

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And she was saying that let's call burnout what it is, it's exploitation, right?

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Burnout suggests that it's something that's happening to you that you have to deal with.

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Exploitation suggests that it's something that's wrong with the system, the environment

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that you're in, and that that's what actually needs to change.

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And I think that that shift in kind of what burnout is and how you treat it is really

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important.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, for women in particular, right, we are people pleasers.

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In a sense, we always do put ourselves last.

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So you know, the more demands that are put on us, we want to be able to fulfill it.

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So whether it is at work or with our family or with our friends.

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So that comes to like my second point for people who can't make a career shift or quit

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their job or whatnot.

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Setting up those boundaries is really important.

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So learning how to say no, learning how to respect yourself and putting yourself first

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can play a huge role.

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So whether it is something as simple as, you know, your girlfriends are going out and you're

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being like, hey, you know, I'm really tired.

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I'm going to stay in tonight.

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That's okay.

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They're your friends.

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They'll they'll understand that.

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Or you know, telling your husband, you know what, I know we had plans to watch this Netflix

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show, but I'm really tired.

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I think we're going to I think I'm going to call it a night, you know, by 10 p.m.

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Setting those boundaries for yourself can be huge.

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I had a client just recently that one of her main struggles in exactly setting boundaries

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at work was that their work provides lunch most days.

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And it was often very unhealthy catering, think things like pizza, noodles, you know,

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dumplings, whatever.

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And she really struggled with being able to assert herself in such a way to bring her

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own food into that environment.

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And I mean, this I don't mean struggled like a couple of days.

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I mean, struggled for six months to be able to feel strong enough to march into her office

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with her own bag of food and eat it in front of her colleagues.

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And you know, for us, I think in this world, it's so easy.

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I wouldn't even think twice.

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I wouldn't have ever had the noodles because I just walk in with my lunch.

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But you know, there isn't a level of boundary setting and practice that it takes.

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And I think, you know, reminding our clients right that it's not going to be the first

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time that it feels OK.

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You might walk in with the lunch and never take it out of your bag.

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And that's OK.

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That's the first step.

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But eventually, you have to be able to assert what you want.

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Yeah, I think that exactly like what you said, even with your own husband, right?

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I can't watch that Netflix show.

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I need to be in bed by 10.

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Yeah, yeah, you have to do it.

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No one's going to take care of you.

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You have to take care of yourself.

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And even to that point with the lunch, you know, I always tell women, especially like,

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you know, if you're going out for lunch or you're going out for dinner or or what and

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you're feeling uncomfortable, like ordering off menu or ordering something different.

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Most others are so self concerned.

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They're so worried about themselves.

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They couldn't care less what you're eating or what you're, you know, ordering or whatnot.

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But we're so worried that someone's going to judge us.

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Oh, she's high maintenance.

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She asked for dressing on the side.

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Yeah, no girl, I'm successful.

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I asked for what I want.

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Exactly.

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Or I'm on a diet, you know, because I'm choosing not to eat all the things and, you know, whatnot.

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So even like for a lot of my clients, oh, but I'm going out for dinner.

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What do I tell them?

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And I said, you know, say you're trying something new.

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I'm trying to improve my health.

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I'm doing this for my well-being.

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I'm not stopping any of you from, you know, eating whatever you want.

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But you know, this is something I'm doing for myself.

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I always get that as well.

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Like people are like, oh, my God, was Jasmine going to eat?

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I'm like, don't worry about me.

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I will find something.

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And I still get that.

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Oh, you're on the diet.

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You're on a diet.

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I'm not on a diet.

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I've been eating this way for the last six years now.

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It's not a diet.

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It's a lifestyle.

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Yeah.

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I feel like the three of us in this room are probably the least excited.

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Like people are dreading inviting us to the dinner parties.

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No one wants the nutritionist at their dinner party.

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It's so funny because some people are like, don't judge what I'm eating.

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And I'm like, yeah, I get that all the time.

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I never do.

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I know.

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I'm like, no judgment.

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I was like, don't judge me when you see me on Friday night, like having a big glass of

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wine and some sweet potato fries with my kids, because that happens too.

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Or as a pregnant lady eating an oyster.

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You stop by DB Bistro, you go see me.

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So what sort of stuff do you eat then?

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I actually now, luckily, so there was a time that I had to be quite restrictive, I would

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say.

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So the other issue that I had along with the PCOS and the cystic acne and the infertility

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was autoimmune conditions.

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So I suffer from two autoimmune conditions, ulcerative colitis being one of them.

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I'm happy to say, though, that I am medication free and have been in remission for about

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five years.

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That's amazing.

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But in order to get there, yeah, I did have to restrict my diet quite a bit.

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So there was a point where I was eating absolutely no dairy, no grains.

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I was being extremely careful when I was eating out.

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I couldn't eat raw vegetables even at one point.

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But now I'm at a place where I can pretty much eat it all in moderation, in limitation.

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I'm happy to say that I can listen to my body.

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I understand my body.

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So for the most part at home, I would say I eat predominantly whole food based.

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So lots of, I always say build your plate with the concept of VPF, lots of vegetables,

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good amount of protein, and then healthy fats.

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So that's my formula for building your plate.

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Hashtag VPF listener.

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Monday through Thursday, I would say.

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And then on the weekends, I do.

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I love to eat out.

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I love to try new restaurants.

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But yeah, I mean, there are definitely little hacks and tricks that I like to throw in there

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when I am dining out.

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But yeah, whole foods, I would say.

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100%.

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And I say that to my clients as well.

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I say, this is not forever.

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This is just while your body's adjusting.

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For anyone that's going on a weight loss journey, I guess it does get to the point where something

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has to give.

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Whether you're restricting carbohydrates or you're restricting calories or you're restricting

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time, there's always something that you need to adjust in order to see results.

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But it's never forever because you can play around with it and see then how your body

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reacts to something.

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Yeah.

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It's the same as being on a fitness journey.

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It's like you don't have to run.

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If you're training for a marathon, initially you have to run a lot because you need to

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develop your running fitness.

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But once you have your running fitness, you can actually scale back quite a bit and still

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be successful in a marathon distance.

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And I feel like people need to know that the short-term interventions to get to a certain

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place are not the way that you need to maintain that place forever.

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Yeah.

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I give you an analogy of driving a car.

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When you first learn to drive a car, you're like hands up to a 10.

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Yeah, you're checking your mirror.

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You can't have any music on.

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No one can talk to you.

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And you're just so focused on that road.

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It's exhausting.

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So same thing when you are making diet changes, when you are implementing these new ways of

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eating or cleaning out your kitchen and cleaning out your pantry and starting fresh and learning

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a new way of eating.

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It's a heck of a lot of work.

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But for those of you who drive or ride a bike, give in, let's say, now you got the music

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going, you got the kids yelling in the background, you got a friend or your husband in the car,

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you're chatting, you're able to do it kind of on autopilot.

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And that's what it will become.

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But yeah, you got to put in the effort to start before that autopilot can set in.

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Not my husband.

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He cannot focus on driving.

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If the kids are in the car and I'm talking to him, he's going to snap.

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He's going to be like, can't do it.

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Just leave it alone.

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So I can't have a conversation with him in a car.

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And this is just us two, because I think the kids are the trigger.

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The X factor.

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Yeah, the noise.

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Is there anything that you absolutely do not eat or try to avoid as much as you can?

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I would say mock meats, like the fake meats.

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I don't know.

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I grew up with a lot of vegetarians in my life and I just, it was something that I was

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exposed to a lot.

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And now it just, it kills me.

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And even things like the Beyond and the incredible meat replacements, et cetera.

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I'm always like, make a black bean burger.

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There's so many better options out there, but these chemically produced, factory produced

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products just, yeah.

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Well thanks, Rhianna.

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We've lost Beyond Meat as a sponsor.

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I'm totally kidding.

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There's three of a kind in here when it comes to consumption of fake meat.

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Yeah, I feel like if you want to eat more plant-based, then go ahead, eat more plants.

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But if you want to eat fake meat, just eat meat.

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Sorry guys.

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Yeah, I mean, there's so many great, I'm very plant-forward and there's so many great protein

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sources or other ways to work with your lentils and legumes and whatnot to make them better

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for you and easier to digest, et cetera.

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You know, again, even tofu, soy, it's gotten a bad rap, but on this side of the world,

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I mean, we've been eating it forever.

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So you know, there are definitely options out there where you don't have to turn to

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these, I don't know, Frankenfoods.

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Frankenfoods, I like it.

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So like myself, you also have three boys, am I right?

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How do you get your kids to eat healthy?

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Do you struggle with that?

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I do.

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Kids are kids, you know, but the one thing that I've kind of learned and it's again,

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similarly to like what I try to teach clients is you got to let your kids listen to their

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bodies, you know, different and they learn from example, right?

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So they'll see me and what I eat and they might not be wanting to eat it now, but eventually

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I'm hoping that when you lead by example, they will kind of follow suit.

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So simple things, even though, you know, having your kids listen to their body clock, eating

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when they're actually hungry, respecting when they say they're full, you know, these are

473
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all kind of just small tweaks, letting them enjoy treats, you know, when it is a weekend,

474
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,720
when we are dining out, we like to do it.

475
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,200
Why shouldn't they do it?

476
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,600
But I feel like it's more about these small shifts than trying to get them to eat like

477
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:19,280
a bowl of salad or broccoli and, you know, grilled chicken or whatever healthy means.

478
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,280
How old are your boys?

479
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,480
So, yeah, I've got three boys.

480
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,600
My eldest one, Sumer, is about to turn 10 years old.

481
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,960
My middle one, Sean, is going to be turning eight very soon and my youngest is six.

482
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,960
Oh, wow.

483
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,360
So yeah, they're very much in growth stage where it's like they probably the bigger struggle

484
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,240
for you is getting them to just eat enough.

485
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,240
Yeah.

486
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,120
And that's the other thing, right?

487
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:42,800
What's accessible at home?

488
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,280
What am I filling my pantries with?

489
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,060
What am I filling my fridge with?

490
00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:50,080
So when they do come home and they're like, because they come home and they...

491
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Stop it.

492
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,080
Yeah.

493
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,000
It's like the kitchen is just like mayhem, you know, at 3.30 p.m.

494
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,600
But they have what's available to them, you know.

495
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,600
Yeah.

496
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,600
What do you stock your kitchen with?

497
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,840
What are some go-tos that your boys love?

498
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,840
Greek yogurt, cheese, sliced meats, sausages.

499
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:18,280
In the pantry section, we do a lot of dark chocolate rice crackers.

500
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,120
Obviously, a lot of foods by Re-crackers.

501
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,160
Sorry.

502
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,160
It's every day now.

503
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,800
Can we get some links for those dark chocolate crackers?

504
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Yeah.

505
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,800
So a lot of...

506
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,800
In the show notes?

507
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,800
Every day crackers.

508
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,480
But yeah, I mean, they'll do simple things like, you know, even like a simple sandwich,

509
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,080
you know, made with better bread, not sunshine bread.

510
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,640
Sorry, you're going to lose them.

511
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,680
Yeah, I'm telling you, girl, you're knocking on our sponsors.

512
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,160
I'm knocking them down one by one.

513
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,160
Or skip the peanut butter.

514
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,160
Oh, yeah.

515
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,160
Yeah.

516
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,160
Yeah.

517
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,320
So yeah, but nut butters is another great one.

518
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,320
Lots of fruit, lots of good nut butters.

519
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,320
They love smoothies.

520
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,320
Yeah.

521
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,720
So they now can make their own, you know, smoothies.

522
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,280
I need to get my boys on to making their own.

523
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,040
Smoothies are the like the godsend for kids because they think it is fun.

524
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,240
You can put a bunch of stuff in it and they, you know, and...

525
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,240
They have the protein.

526
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,240
Yes.

527
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,440
And they can make it themselves because you're like, here is a blender.

528
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,440
Yeah.

529
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,440
Yeah.

530
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,440
That's wonderful.

531
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,480
So I like that you said that you let your kids go by their own sort of hunger cues.

532
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,520
And when they're full respect that one of the things my husband actually said to me

533
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:26,840
when before we had kids was don't force them because he was never really a lover of food.

534
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,840
It's all changed now.

535
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,880
But growing up, he hated mealtimes and he goes that was such a stressful period for

536
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,840
him having to sit there and being told you have to finish your food because I guess we

537
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,760
all come from that generation of don't waste your food.

538
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,200
There are kids starving, which I understand.

539
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,840
He goes, but that feeling of, oh my God, I have to eat again.

540
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,680
Sit here till the plate is empty.

541
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,120
And so I was on the opposite end of the scale.

542
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,600
I loved my food growing up.

543
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Still do.

544
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:57,200
And I would eat my food and then my sister, my sister, and you know, any moment I got,

545
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,080
I felt like I was always hungry.

546
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,120
So you know, I guess understanding that your kids do have different needs.

547
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,720
And if someone doesn't want to eat, there's a reason they don't want to eat.

548
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,760
And it's hard, right?

549
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,760
With kids.

550
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Yeah.

551
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,300
You know, growing up, I was the absolute worst.

552
00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:15,860
I wasn't a lover of food or a hater of food.

553
00:30:15,860 --> 00:30:18,780
I was the picky one, the really picky one.

554
00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:20,720
We would go to a barbecue, obviously very American.

555
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,900
We'd go to a barbecue and I would have an empty bun and I would spread some mustard

556
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:25,900
on it.

557
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:26,900
And if I was hungry, I'd have a second bun.

558
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:28,640
I mean, it was like zero food consumption.

559
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,040
But you ate mustard.

560
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,720
I ate mustard and bread, which is so bizarre.

561
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,880
You know, like skip the meat, skip the veg.

562
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,840
But my parents never like force fed me or made a whole big deal about how picky I was.

563
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,720
They just kind of let it be.

564
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,960
And fast forward to today, I'm like hyper omnivorous.

565
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,040
I mean, I'm the person who eats the intestines and the brains and the, and you know, whatever

566
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,160
else I post the other day.

567
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,960
The only thing about the only thing I don't eat is balut.

568
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,320
No offense to balut lovers out there.

569
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,840
I actually don't know what that is.

570
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:01,480
Oh girl, it is, it is a specialty in this part of the world.

571
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,600
When I traveled to Vietnam, it's a common thing.

572
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,680
It is a developed duck egg.

573
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,680
Oh, I know what you mean.

574
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Like you get a beak in there when you're enjoying balut.

575
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,800
So that's, that's a little bit past my palate.

576
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,200
But what I'll say is I think part of the reason that I do eat everything and why that switch

577
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,840
flipped in me naturally when I became more of an adult is because my parents didn't go

578
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,840
either way on it.

579
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,160
You know, they didn't push me and, you know, and they obviously would make sure that I

580
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,160
was okay.

581
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Like take me to the doctor, make sure I don't have nutrient deficiencies, right?

582
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,120
But they just didn't push it.

583
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,880
And then when it was the right time, it happened.

584
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,040
And I think that message is powerful for parents.

585
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,560
And that's the other thing that I think parents need to remember is that your child isn't

586
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,460
trying to torture you by not eating.

587
00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:46,720
There might be some, there might be something underlying for sure.

588
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,240
There could be like, to your point, a nutritional deficiency.

589
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,720
They could have something going on with their digestion, which is why maybe they're gravitating

590
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,840
towards, you know, easier to digest white foods, white pasta, white rice, white bread,

591
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,320
et cetera.

592
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,360
But you know, a lot of times we see now a lot of adults have a bad relationship with

593
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,360
food.

594
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,000
And, you know, to your point, what you were saying, Jasmine, about your husband was so

595
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000
true.

596
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,000
That starts when we're a kid.

597
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,920
The last thing we want kids who are going to become teenagers, who are going to become

598
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,120
adults, is feel like an anxiety around meal time, right?

599
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,520
It should be a time where they feel like they're relaxed.

600
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:30,440
They can sit with their family or friends and they can have no judgment, you know, with

601
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,280
what they're eating or how they're eating and that we respect that.

602
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,400
So yeah, but with kids, yeah, it's hard.

603
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,720
I sometimes even still find myself saying, come on, hurry up, hurry up, finish.

604
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,720
We gotta make the bus.

605
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,780
We gotta do this.

606
00:32:42,780 --> 00:32:46,820
And then we have to remind ourselves like, okay, it's okay.

607
00:32:46,820 --> 00:32:47,820
It's okay.

608
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:48,820
It's fine.

609
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:51,520
If they're starving or if they're really hungry, they'll eat.

610
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,520
Exactly.

611
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,520
Exactly that.

612
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,880
And also just keep introducing certain foods.

613
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,160
Like one of my sons, he does not eat vegetables.

614
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,240
He's gotten better.

615
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,960
He can now have a little bit of lettuce in a burger, but at least he's not picking it

616
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,200
out anymore.

617
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,720
And it's just because I kept putting it in there.

618
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,360
So I think he was just like, okay.

619
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,340
But surprisingly, he loves olives.

620
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:13,600
So I'm finding things that he likes.

621
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,800
And I introduced to him cucumber with olive oil and salt and he was like, oh, I will eat

622
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,600
cucumber if it's got olive oil and salt.

623
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,600
I'm Mediterranean of you, Jasmine.

624
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,600
Nice.

625
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:31,600
No, but the same thing, my eldest, he was the pickiest eater when he was two, three,

626
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,600
whatnot.

627
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,080
And I was like, oh my God, I'm such a foodie.

628
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,560
I'm like, now he's about to turn 10.

629
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,480
And out of the three boys, he's the most adventurous.

630
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440
He's willing to try it all.

631
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,600
But I think a lot of it comes because he doesn't feel pressure.

632
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,720
He does it when he wants and how he wants and he knows if he likes it, great.

633
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,920
And if he doesn't, I'm not going to force it down his throat.

634
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,560
Yeah, let it lie.

635
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,560
Yeah.

636
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Amazing.

637
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,900
Rihanna, it's been absolutely incredible having you here.

638
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,720
But before we finish off, we would like to ask you a final question, which is what is

639
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,100
your forties formula?

640
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:09,600
What sort of advice or wisdom would you like to share with our listeners about thriving

641
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,440
in your forties?

642
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:18,680
So I find 40, being in your forties is like a magical time because you really start to

643
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,360
do things for yourself, I find, especially for us women.

644
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:29,240
But I would say for me, the biggest non-negotiables and the biggest advice that I would give to

645
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:36,200
others who are either entering their forties or are already in their forties is to set

646
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:43,560
boundaries, sleep, get a good night's sleep, find somebody you can talk to.

647
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,280
So that's a therapist or a friend or whatnot.

648
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,500
Having someone you can share with is really important.

649
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:57,480
Focus on whole foods, not all of the time, but most of the time and lift heavy things.

650
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,480
Oh, yes.

651
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,480
Yeah, I'm hearing it.

652
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,880
I love that last one.

653
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,880
Exclamation point.

654
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,880
Yeah.

655
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,400
So yeah, that's my forties formula.

656
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,400
Amazing.

657
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,400
We love it.

658
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,200
And I feel like we're definitely behind that one.

659
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,200
100%.

660
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Thank you, Iyana.

661
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,200
It's been amazing.

662
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Thank you.

663
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,200
Thank you so much.

664
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,200
It's been great to be here.

665
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,920
This is Paul, our editor.

666
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,920
He's a 25 year old unmarried Singaporean guy listening to the ramblings of 12 older women

667
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,120
on everything from menopause to weightlifting to sex.

668
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,600
Paul, what's your thoughts on today's conversation?

669
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,040
So for me personally, I'm actually in my 20s and I don't quite care or pay attention to

670
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,320
my diet after I meet.

671
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,040
So I just eat whatever I want, I guess.

672
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:46,360
But I do acknowledge that having a good quality diet and it's beneficial for your health,

673
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,360
I guess.

674
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,040
So one thing I would say that I actually do enjoy is fake meat sometimes.

675
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,240
I wouldn't say it's a goody pleasure, but it's just like, you know, old static kind

676
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:57,480
of thing.

677
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,200
And I'm just thinking from the perspective of, let's say, my vegan friends out there,

678
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,000
like who would, you know, for some of those people who would sometimes want to enjoy their

679
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,400
meat cravings, you know, I understand that these are mostly artificially produced meats

680
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,960
from plant sources, you know, like maybe, I don't know, I'm not sure if I'm allowed

681
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,720
to say names because of sponsors, but let's just say if I'm vegan and I'm craving for

682
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:25,360
something meat textured, what should I go for, you know, besides just plain plants,

683
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,360
I guess.

684
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,280
That's probably just an open question I have.

685
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,680
Well just fruitful thought, I guess.

686
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,680
Catch you guys.

687
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,360
Hey guys, did you know that you can leave us questions and comments on FanList?

688
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That's right.

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00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,320
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691
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Nicola 777 reached out to us and had this to say.

692
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,320
So I've just listened to the first two podcasts and I absolutely love them.

693
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,360
I enjoyed the content about real women and real issues to be facing our forties.

694
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,080
I love the flow of them.

695
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,240
Some very helpful insights and tips.

696
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:03,240
Well done.

697
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:04,240
I can't wait for the next one.

698
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:05,240
I feel like I need more now.

699
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,240
Lol.

700
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,240
I need to binge listen to more.

701
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:08,240
Lol.

702
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:09,240
Lol.

703
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:18,240
I was like, I wonder what she is going to say there.

704
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:22,680
I'm not sure what I would say.

705
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,160
The forties formula is proud to be your source for that realness, Nicola.

706
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conversations with inspiring guests.

720
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Bye.

721
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You get what you get for a reason.

722
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Yeah.

723
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Yeah.

724
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No, I love my daughter, but she is my hard one for sure.

725
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So far.

726
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I mean, again, I only have the two, but yeah, she's definitely harder.

727
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Yeah.

728
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I see some of my friends who have, uh, again, girls who are, you know, in this 10 year old

729
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range and whatnot.

730
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And I'm like, drama.

731
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I was like, Oh my God.

732
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They're like sassy and oh yeah.

733
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I was like, okay, the boys forget tomorrow.

734
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It's like, you know, groundhogs day.

735
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Exactly.

736
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Like I had, I had a, I had a friend whose daughter was playing with my boys and she

737
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was upset about something.

738
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She went home and she spoke to her mom about it.

739
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Then the mom came over and she was like, Oh, you know, like they weren't playing.

740
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I was like, Oh, I didn't even know.

741
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And I think they've forgotten.

742
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So it's all good.

743
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Yeah.

744
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It's all good.