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Hello and welcome to the 40s Formula, your go-to place for insightful discussions on

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navigating your 40s and thriving in this transformative decade.

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We're your hosts, Amanda and Jasmine, two women that are passionate about exploring the

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challenges and adventures that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead.

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Today we are here chatting to Natalie Dao, an entrepreneur, media creator and athlete

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with over 25 years of global consulting experience, over 19 of those based in Asia, and specializing

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in the areas of media, travel, sports and wellness.

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With a wealth of experience in international marketing, communications, business management

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and strategy.

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She is the co-author of Run Like a Woman, an Amazon bestseller and founder of the highly

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successful Rockstar Fit app.

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She's also a spokesperson for multiple global brands and has produced and hosted series,

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including the Facebook Lifestyle program, Keeping It Real, Zero to Hero and Business

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Insiders Travel program, No Limits.

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She is also a World Health Organization Facebook ambassador and a mom to an amazing 14 year

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old daughter.

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And believe it or not, in her spare time, she's an incredibly accomplished athlete,

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having won multiple ultra distance races and represented Asia at the Spartan Race World

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Championships.

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All right, well, we are here with Natalie Dao, someone who I personally admire beyond

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belief.

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She's an athlete, she's a media mogul, she's a businesswoman, she's a mother to a teenage

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girl so that could alone be a full time job.

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And she's here with us for the hour.

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So thank you so much for joining us, Nat.

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Thank you.

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I think that's the nicest introduction ever.

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I mean it.

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I mean every word.

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And again, as a fellow mumpreneur, right, someone who is a parent and runs their own

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business, I am in awe of how you find time to do all.

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You really do it all.

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And I always have to think, is there anything in your life that gives when you're just,

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you know, functioning at this high level?

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You know, I think it's just for me prioritising my time.

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So maybe it's less time on something.

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But it's all about quality, not quantity time for me.

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So training definitely doesn't give.

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I try and not let sleep give.

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Obviously, time with family.

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So maybe it's work that gives a bit if it has to.

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If it has to.

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And how do you fit in your training?

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Are you an early morning trainer?

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Yeah, like tomorrow I'm already thinking about the run.

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So I'll be up about quarter to four to run tomorrow.

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I can tell you quarter to four is a time that I do not see unless there's a newborn baby

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in my household.

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I'll tell you that right now.

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100%.

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I will be fast and tight, tucked into bed.

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There is no way I'm going to be getting up at quarter to four unless I'm catching a flight

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or, you know, getting through with the twins.

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But you know, that's been like, they put me off having other kids.

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So it's not happening anymore.

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And I have to wonder again with all the titles that you have and everything that you do,

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and then you find time to write a book.

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Now tell me about how that project came about.

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So my so great.

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It's co authored.

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So that takes out half the work.

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But I'd met Jason many, many years ago, and he approached me to write this book end of

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last year.

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And I thought it was something that was really relevant, especially to me who didn't know

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a lot for many, many years.

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So I was all in and six months later, we had a book six months.

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Are you all hearing that six months to a book?

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The book, by the way, is called Run Like a Woman.

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And it's about cycling running around your menstrual cycle.

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This is for endurance athletes that are looking to maximize and optimize their training around

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their menstrual cycles.

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And I had the wonderful pleasure of reading it over this past week.

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And I have to tell you, the anecdote that stuck with me, Nat, was where you were 49

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You're not new to the menstrual cycle, lying on the pavement in pain during a run, wondering,

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what am I doing?

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Why is this happening?

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Why haven't I mastered this?

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Can you tell us about that moment?

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Yeah, it was it was in the middle of Clark Key, actually.

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So no one was there.

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It wasn't a Saturday morning.

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Thank heavens with people passed out drunk.

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And they thought you were one of them.

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And then the cramps started and got worse and worse and worse.

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And you know, I actually had to call a taxi to get home.

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So it's like, how is this happening to me when, you know, I got my period at 12 years

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old and at 49?

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This is still happening.

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And what is going on?

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And how do I not know how to train around this?

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And I think I am pretty aligned with what my body feels.

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But yeah, it still kept surprising me.

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And you know, you talk about exactly that training around your menstrual cycle.

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And I think that's important for women to understand this distinction.

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It doesn't mean that because you have a menstrual cycle, you stop training or because you experience

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cramps, you stop training.

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It's about mastering your cycle to the point where you can leverage it for your own success.

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And have you been able to do that since kind of learning the techniques in your book?

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So I work with my coach really closely, and we track everything.

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And so, you know, the week where you have your period, which is probably where you want

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to cut back the most, you know, we down my long runs.

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So we're doing shorter ones, but maybe more often.

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And then week two and three is when I really push a bit harder with my longer runs.

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And you've been doing that for how long now?

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Yeah, since about a year now.

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And it's made a difference.

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So I'm even finding that I'm not cramping as much during that time, because my body's

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a bit more rested.

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And I think that rest piece is such an incredible component, because when we think about the

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cycle, right, we think about, you know, a training cycle that's consistent, right?

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12 weeks training, 16 weeks training, and you don't think about the rest periods.

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But using your menstrual cycle forces those rest periods.

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And I think that that is a revelation for women of all ages in their 40s and beyond.

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Right?

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Absolutely.

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So I found that I've recently gotten into sort of cycling, whether it's food, whether

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it's whether it's exercise.

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And I've actually joined up with a gym, and obviously, they've got their program.

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And I'm finding that obviously, the program is tailored towards men, you know, like, every

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day you're going to be doing this or this or this.

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How do you approach the topic then if you are going to classes that actually I want

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to train with my cycle, I want to utilise strength training today, and I don't want

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to push hard and I don't want to do cardio?

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How can someone sort of take that on board and, you know, speak to their gyms or their

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instructors about this?

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Yeah, because I mean, we are, everyone thinks we're little men, but we're so not right.

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They've got all the research, it's not being done on women, it's being done on men.

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I think it's just women, you know, owning their own bodies and owning the conversation

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and being brave enough and saying to the trainer, look, you know, this week is not a great week

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for me, I need to cut back.

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So do you have any alternative exercises I can do?

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Or just so you know, I'm not pushing as hard.

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I think it's up to trainers to be educated as well.

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You know, that is an issue that most trainers don't know what's going on.

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And it's not taught when you're learning, you know, getting your PT licence or anything

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like that.

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So I think the whole education around it needs to change, you know, for the professionals,

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first and foremost.

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Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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I mean, there is definitely a barrier of knowledge.

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And I don't want to call out the male trainers, but I'm going to call out the male trainers.

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Because female trainers are working with this, we have an innate understanding of the cycle.

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Whereas male trainers, until they're exposed to it through their wives or their clients,

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they generally don't have that ability and that capacity to really understand.

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So that's why I think Jason being your co author on the book, real key play.

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Because it opens the door for men to be involved in that world.

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And again, just talking about it, it's not a taboo.

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Men and women can talk about menstruation together.

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That's okay.

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Absolutely.

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And you know, it's like having an injury.

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How do I train coming back from an injury?

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It's just the same conversation.

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You're talking about how you can be your best physical self and perform at your highest.

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So it doesn't matter if you've got the flu, or if you've hurt your ankle, or if you've

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got your menstrual cycle, how can we work around that to get you performing at your

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best?

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That's right.

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I also find that you get women who just think that all sort of month long, they do need

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to train the hardest because the only way they're going to achieve results is, you know,

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exercising hard, cutting back on the calories, and that's all they need to do.

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But they don't give their body that time to adapt and sort of go through the changes,

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you know, whether it's high estrogen, and that's, you know, making your ligaments a

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bit softer, or whether it's, you know, being in the second half of your cycle, and you

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know, you're a bit more insulin resistant.

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How would you say to women that this is how you should train during your menstrual cycle?

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And what would be the sort of key parts of training when it comes to your period?

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Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right too, because women just push, push, push.

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You're not going to ever improve, number one.

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Doesn't matter what your training is.

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If you do the same thing day in, day out, you're not improving.

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So you need to understand when to push hard, which is week two, take on some more carbs.

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And then, you know, week one is cut back a little bit.

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Week three and four, see how you feel, it'll be a little bit up and down.

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But you're talking about things like reds, you know, not taking enough calories in, you're

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going to get things like stress fractures much more easily.

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And you know, a lot of women are training to lose weight or have a six pack or whatever

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it is.

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But you know, you're not you're not doing your body any favors, and you're never going

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to achieve those goals.

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If you're just going doing the same thing doing those hit classes crazy every day in

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calorie deficit, then your body's not ever repairing.

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So Jasmine, you're all about that low carb life, right?

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Yep, have been for a while now.

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So I'm assuming that your groceries look a lot like our house.

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Lots of fish, tons of meat.

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And now back to the conversation.

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And you just touched on something that blew my mind in your book, which is you've towed

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the line at multiple ultra marathons and marathons.

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And you mentioned that at some of those, you know, towing line at some of the front of

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the line, you've been told you don't look like an ultra marathoner or, you know, your

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body type isn't the correct body type for running the sport.

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Whereas as you sit before me, you are literally ripped beyond belief.

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You are jacked to the level of insanity.

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So how did you respond when you towed the line with other female athletes and we're

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told you don't look like you participate in that sport?

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think, well, can I do this?

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generally that runs ultra marathons.

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A couple kilos of muscle though.

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Again, I'm looking at your arms right this moment.

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Hashtag rockstar arms.

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And it is, it's just, you know, okay, well, you know, it's, it's a lot of mental strength

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going into those ultra marathons and it is strength and, and having some muscle and knowing

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that you're strong enough to get through them.

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So, you know, people, especially in Asia, just call it as they see it, which I love

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And then it's at the end of the line, then people change the narrative of, oh, wow, you're

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so strong instead of, oh, you're not skinny enough.

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So I think, you know, the proof is in the pudding at the end of the day.

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And a lot of times it's guys as well who are judging and, and they come up and, and are

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So I think, yeah, I think the proof's in the pudding.

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So how long have you been training for?

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Yeah, my whole life.

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I think, you know, I think it come, it, you know, when you come from a sporting family,

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it makes a massive difference.

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So I was varsity and state basketball growing up.

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And then, you know, in my twenties, I had a great time, lots of partying, but would

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get home run at 5am and then go into the office.

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So there's your endurance event right there.

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Exactly.

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So, you know, you can do those things, but it wasn't really until my thirties that I

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actually started taking things more seriously and then, you know, started having a huge

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amount of success in my forties.

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So it's never too late.

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Yeah.

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And that's what I wanted.

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I really wanted to explore with you was how your athletic journey developed through your

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forties.

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And I'm obviously calling you out that you are out of your forties now, girl.

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You are, you are a lovely, you know, what do they call it?

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Lifty fifties now.

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But what changed for you in your forties that allowed you to kind of reach, because it seems

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like since turning 50, you've been winning races.

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I mean, you were winning races back then in terms of Spartan and your representation at

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the Asia world champs.

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But in terms of what you're doing now with your ultra work, it seems like you're only

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getting better.

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And how did your forties set you up for that increased success?

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Yeah, I think, you know, we have the opportunity in our forties to take ownership of what we

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want in life, especially as women.

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And it's about being a little bit selfish and finding what your goals are.

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And for me, I love being uncomfortable.

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I love pushing to see what's possible.

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So in my forties, I started exploring that and it was literally going from Spartan to,

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oh, well, maybe I'll go and run track and I've never run track before to what is the

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opposite of that?

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Okay, I'll go and run 100 kilometres, even though I hadn't run a marathon.

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So it was really not caring what people thought and putting myself out there, but also equipping

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myself with the right tools of having a trainer of understanding what I needed to eat.

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And so doing the research and putting in the work and then enjoying the process.

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I do love that you said, you know, feeling uncomfortable, because I think a lot of people,

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if anything feels a little bit uncomfortable, they're going to take a step back and be like,

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whoa, this isn't for me.

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But I feel like in order to progress, being uncomfortable is one of the key points.

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It's like a key element to get better.

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So how did you keep sort of pushing through that when you realised that this isn't quite

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right or how did you push through that uncomfortableness?

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Yeah.

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So if I think back to, I did a 200 kilometre race this year and I...

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What?

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Sorry.

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200 kilometres.

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Which is a typical week for now.

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And you know, you're not allowed to wear headphones or anything in these races just to make it

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harder.

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But I was FaceTiming my husband going, what am I doing, you know, about three quarters

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of the way through?

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And he's like, just get to the next water station.

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Just get to the next water station.

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And for me, it was just stopping and having a moment and understanding I chose to be here.

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I'm lucky enough to be here.

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This is what I want to do.

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So I can either quit or keep going.

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And it's all personal choice, right?

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So it's about that grit and it's understanding why you are there and why you're doing this

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and digging deep and calling on that when you need to.

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Yeah.

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And I think, you know, in the context of discomfort and but you chose this, can we have a real

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quick chat about your pregnancy?

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So you mentioned in your book that your pregnancy was one of your physical low points.

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It's when you had some complications related to your birth control use previously.

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Can you talk a little bit about why your pregnancy was so tough?

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Yeah.

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So I was going in, I was diagnosed not long before that with rheumatoid arthritis.

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Then I was diagnosed with deep vein thrombosis.

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So I was wearing those disgusting stockings 24 seven for two years, got pregnant, injecting

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every day with blood thinners.

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And obviously then, well, you know, didn't exercise as much, just did not feel myself.

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I was I had morning sickness badly for the whole pregnancy.

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And I think I just didn't, I lost sight of who I was during that time.

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I was happy to be pregnant.

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And of course, I, you know, I was lucky enough and I chose to be pregnant.

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But it's hard.

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And I think a lot of women are scared to say that out loud because people are like, well,

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you're lucky.

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Imagine all the people that can't be pregnant.

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It's like, but it is it is reality.

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And some people, you know, love being pregnant.

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It's the best time of their life, but it was not the best time of my life.

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And you know, you talk about the physical struggle, right?

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The rheumatoid arthritis and obviously the blood clots.

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But at the same time, as a lifelong athlete, that mental struggle had to be the hardest

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that you couldn't remotely perform at the level you were used to.

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So how did you come back from that?

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Your postpartum journey?

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You know, how did that become a reentry for you into the world of competitive athletics?

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Yeah.

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So I, you know, it was like, well, what can I do during this time?

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So you know, started back out walking, got the clear to run, which is not easy after

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you have given birth.

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Everything's still jiggling and your body doesn't feel like your body for a long time.

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But then it was just about setting small goals and not getting obsessed with, you know, where

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I finished, but rather I finished.

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And then, you know, knowing it's going to be a long term journey rather than I need

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to be back performing within a year.

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So understanding, no, it's okay to take two years to get back to the level.

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So taking that pressure off, but just enjoying being back out there.

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Yeah.

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And I think you just said two years.

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And I think for a lot of fit moms going into their pregnancies or, you know, about to become

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pregnant, they're thinking, I can't do two years.

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How will I ever come back?

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But here you are sitting on the other side of your forties, you know, with your daughter

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14 now and competing at the top of your game.

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So I think it's so reassuring for moms to hear that your career is not over, even if

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your pregnancy journey is not hyper fit.

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Yes, 100%.

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And then your goals change and maybe you explore different fitness goals as well and find something

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that suits you better.

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Have your goals changed?

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Yeah, you know, I wasn't doing ultra marathons, you know, five years ago, maybe six years

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ago.

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So they have and now my goals are around, you know, what can I explore and what can

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my body actually do?

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And my mantra is very much do it today because maybe I can't do it tomorrow.

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So I want to go and smash as much as I possibly can while I can.

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I love that.

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I love that so much because it's true.

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I mean, again, we're not getting any younger.

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That's kind of the point of why we're all sitting around this table is to, you know,

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share some tips on thriving while we can.

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How do you share?

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How do you translate those tips to your daughter?

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I mean, she's emerging into an athlete now.

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This is, you know, she is only going up and up with her potential.

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How do you translate what you're doing now into her athletic experience?

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Yeah, I mean, she's seen both of, you know, my husband and I exercise every day.

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So she thinks that's normal, which is great.

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You know, kids copy.

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Don't they don't listen.

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And it's letting her explore different sports and what she enjoys.

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And then, you know, it's it's fantastic because she's set herself some goals which we had

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nothing to do with.

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Yes, I proud mom.

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And it's across different sports.

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And she's happy to put herself out there.

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You know, she's off to Bangkok this week playing varsity volleyball, which, you know, she hadn't

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played volleyball a volleyball game until, you know, a few months ago.

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So it's it's interesting seeing her being comfortable going out of her comfort zone,

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but knowing that she'll come back to her favorite sport, which is basketball, still doing jujitsu.

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So we started that really young for her to understand what it's like to be uncomfortable

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and physically uncomfortable.

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So, you know, my advice to parents is let your kids play as many sports as they can

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and explore and then let them decide what they want to focus on.

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I love that there was a mention of that in the book.

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And I think this is actually in Jason's portion.

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But he said something like exposing your kids to bone density forming activities, which

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is sports right in their youth is like ensuring their 401k for their retirement, meaning the

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physical bone density benefits, especially for females, of being a child athlete is absolutely

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payback as you're an adult.

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And I think that that advice to have your kids in as many sports as possible, it's not

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about the performance and it's not about the outcomes.

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It's about their health and well-being that will persist into their adulthood.

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And that's the kind of guidance and I don't want to speak for you, Nat, but that's the

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kind of guidance that I don't think we were able to have when we were young athletes.

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We didn't realize that there was more to it than just playing the game.

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And I think that as educated moms and athletes, we can now pass that on to our daughters and

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sons about the importance of being active in their youth way outside of what performance

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goals could ever achieve.

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Yeah, 100 percent.

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Can I just add, I was never an active kid.

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I was that fat kid who'd be sick on PE days.

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Like I hated it.

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But I do realize now the importance of it.

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And my boys are 100 percent doing sports, jujitsu being one of them, which they absolutely

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love.

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But I wanted to ask, are you still menstruating?

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Yes, you are.

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OK.

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And then with your daughter sort of going through puberty, how was that sort of that

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sort of timeframe for obviously you as you're, you know, continuing with your sort of cycles

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and obviously she's going through hers.

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How was that for her and for you as well?

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Yeah.

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So, you know, we're maybe two years in with her now.

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She was open conversations in our house and even with her dad, it's open conversations

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and it still is.

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So it was definitely there was no shame involved.

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It was, you know, yeah, get on with, you know, get on with it.

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But it's OK.

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You know, and she's not embarrassed.

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And it's interesting now, I think even her friend circle talk about it quite openly.

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So maybe there's a change and there's definitely no shame.

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And you know, she's got a very mixed race friend circle.

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But yeah, she's fine.

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You know, she's fine.

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You know, sometimes sadly she suffers with cramps as I do.

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But you know, she understands and she's read the book.

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So she knows when to push and when not to push and tells all her friends, you know,

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what to do now.

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But yeah, she's, you know, she's fine.

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Yeah, the best ambassador you could ask for.

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Right.

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My husband is a doctor, so he's convinced that my daughter, who, by the way, is three

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and a half.

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So far way off.

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My daughter is going to tell him first when she has her period.

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He's like, she's going to come to me first because I'm a doctor.

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I'm like, bless your heart.

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Bless your heart.

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You might hear about it.

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You know, again, in an open conversation, everything.

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But I think I think mama's going to hear first.

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I do love that.

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You know, it's very open and things are changing now because I feel like when I was great,

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I'm probably saying with you, Amanda, it was a bit different.

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It was a bit like, oh, you know, we can't talk about this.

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We can't mention we're in our period.

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Oh, I've got a stomach ache.

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Why?

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Oh, just my stomach hurts.

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You know, whatever it was, you never really sort of went into the details about it.

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And I feel like it needs to be an open conversation.

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People need to realize this is so normal.

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Like 50% of the population go through it.

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And it's just at least it is becoming more normalized now.

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It is.

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And I and I must say men are open to the conversation, but I think they need the women to start it

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because it's a bit weird if a male starts a conversation around it sometimes.

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So I think it's up to females to to open it up for men to feel comfortable talking about

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it too.

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And you mentioned that your daughter is talking about it with her friends and has read your

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book, which is amazing.

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Does she talk about with her coaches?

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Yes, she does.

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Awesome.

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Yeah, she does.

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Great men.

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Great men.

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Okay.

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And they have no problem discussing it.

476
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,240
Love it.

477
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,560
And do you find that they're generally at least competent talking about it?

478
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,560
Yeah, they are.

479
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,280
And they're not embarrassed and they're sort of not all go and sit and take a pan at all

480
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,280
sort of thing.

481
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,880
They're they're like, okay, well, push when you can and and sit out if you need to.

482
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,560
So they're very supportive, which is great of teenage girls at school, which is a touchy

483
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,560
subject.

484
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,560
Yeah.

485
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,200
Well, I hope you do just hand over a copy of your book just to every coach.

486
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,920
He has right just, you know, just so you know, you know, I'm an expert in this area, so make

487
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,920
sure you get it right, buddy.

488
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,920
I hope that's the truth.

489
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,200
And Jasmine had asked you and I was going to ask you as well.

490
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,440
So I hope you're cool with it.

491
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,140
You know, you are still menstruating.

492
00:24:56,140 --> 00:25:01,080
Have you found that your athletic journey has changed at all alongside your your journey

493
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,000
toward I assume perimenopause?

494
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,600
Well, apparently I can still have a child.

495
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,600
Wow.

496
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,600
Okay, girl.

497
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,260
Pull back that assumption.

498
00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:11,920
My mom was 60 in menopause.

499
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,120
So I've got a little way to go, I think.

500
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:19,720
So no, so far, so far, it's it's same same, to be honest.

501
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,720
Incredible.

502
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:21,720
Incredible.

503
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,720
Yeah.

504
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,760
I mean, that's that's wonderful to hear, because I think that is and again, maybe we'll get

505
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:30,600
you on in five, 10 years to talk about what that feels like when an athlete starts to

506
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,720
experience perimenopause symptoms and how that does affect kind of your career and your

507
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,720
mindset.

508
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,440
But again, we'll get we'll get that in five years.

509
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,440
Season 2028.

510
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,520
Well, that last question we want to ask, and we asked this of all of our guests, because

511
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,760
we are sitting here on the 40s formula, wondering how can we hack into this decade?

512
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,880
How can we be our best?

513
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,280
What would you tell women is the 40s formula based on your expertise having been through

514
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,280
it?

515
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,960
Yeah, I think my advice to women is find your identity and understand what that is.

516
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:08,240
So you might be now a mother or wife, whatever it is, but find what you want it to be and

517
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,360
what you want the conversation to be.

518
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:14,720
So it doesn't have to be something that you're 100% defined by.

519
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:21,200
But maybe it is that you're a gym goer or you're a yoga teacher now or you're an ultra

520
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,920
runner or you're an artist, whatever it may be, you've got the chance in your 40s to redefine

521
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,360
yourself and and own that and be responsible for that.

522
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:32,360
Yeah, I love that.

523
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:33,360
I love that.

524
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,680
And I was a fine I think your identity can change, right?

525
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,360
You don't have to you don't have to be the same person you were in your 20s, in your

526
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,080
30s, your 40s and beyond.

527
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,360
I feel like, you know, like you said, find it and own it.

528
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,640
Yeah, I remember when I was in my 30s, part of my identity, right, was that I'm the woman

529
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,640
who doesn't have kids.

530
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,720
I'm not having kids.

531
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,720
I'm cool.

532
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,920
You know, I'm an athlete.

533
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,280
And now I realize I'm a mom, but I'm still an athlete.

534
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,680
And I think synthesizing two identities that you felt were at odds maybe in your younger

535
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,960
years is part of the maturity of being in your 40s, right?

536
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,680
That you can finally realize it doesn't have to be this or that you can put all those pieces

537
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,360
of your identity together and become the woman that you've always wanted to be.

538
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:13,360
Absolutely.

539
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:15,200
And understand what your motivation is as well.

540
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,520
So your values, your motivation, and do some work on yourself.

541
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,480
You know, so I think that's important.

542
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,480
It's up to us to do it.

543
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,600
No one's going to do it for us.

544
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,600
Yeah.

545
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,200
And if there's somebody to listen to about doing the work, it is Natalie Dow.

546
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720
Again, thank you so much for being with us today.

547
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,720
You have been amazing.

548
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,040
We've learned so much and I appreciate you being one of our inaugural guests on the 40s

549
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,040
Angela.

550
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,040
Thank you, Nat.

551
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Thanks guys.

552
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,880
This is Paul, our editor.

553
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,840
He's a 25 year old unmarried Singaporean guy listening to the ramblings of 12 older women

554
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,640
on everything from menopause to weightlifting to sex.

555
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,080
So Paul, what's your thoughts on today's conversation?

556
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Hey, hey, hello there.

557
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,720
Honestly, I don't know how to start, but Nat, man, you're quite crazy and you know,

558
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:05,440
if all the rules being a media creator, athlete and much more like 200 kilometres of, I don't

559
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,400
know, like running and stuff, I can't do that.

560
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,320
I mean, I'm in my mid 20s and I'm not even close to any of these.

561
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:16,960
So I don't know what else to talk about, but I guess I'll catch you guys in the next episode.

562
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,080
Peace, love, see y'all.

563
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:24,680
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Bye.

590
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:15,080
Yeah.

591
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:23,520
So if I think back to it, I did a 200 kilometer race this year and I, what, which is a typical

592
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,520
week for now.

593
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:34,540
Sorry.