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Hello and welcome to the 40s Formula, your go-to place for insightful discussions on

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navigating your 40s and thriving in this transformative decade.

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We're your hosts, Amanda and Jasmine, two women that are passionate about exploring

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the challenges and adventures that come with turning 40 and what lies ahead.

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Our guest today is Dr. Cheryl Kamm, functional medicine doctor, burnout recovery coach and

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founder of the Vibrant Life Academy.

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Cheryl empowers smart moms and coaches with the knowledge and nutritional wisdom to create

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thriving families, teams and societies.

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With 15 years of clinical experience, she provides the skills and mentorship to transform

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your health deeply.

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Cheryl studied at the highest level, obtaining an integrative and functional medicine fellowship

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through the Australasian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine.

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She also holds a certification in advanced nutrient therapy and brain biochemistry by

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the Walsh Research Institute in Chicago, USA.

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Dr. Cheryl is also a homeschooling mom to four kids and she still makes time for self-care,

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reflection and balance.

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Cheryl, we are so excited to have you here today, not just as a medical professional,

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though I'm very excited that you're here as a medical professional, but also as a fellow

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coach and also as a fellow geriatric mama because we got to stick together.

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Geriatric mama, thanks.

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That's the first time I got called that, but you know what?

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This is the truth.

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You might have been called it on paper somewhere.

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That's the first time I noticed being called that.

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I love that your approach is all about vibrancy.

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I feel like this is a term that we don't get enough of in our 40s about feeling vibrant.

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There's so much chatter about how we're on the decline or how our hormones are dropping

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and how everything, but this actually can be a vibrant chapter of our lives.

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Can you talk to me about how you help women achieve vibrancy?

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Thank you for asking that because I meet so many women who are just happy surviving.

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How many times do we have these conversations like, oh, how are you doing?

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Oh, same old, coping, surviving.

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And I'm like, hey, what happened?

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What happened to all of us and all of our fire growing up?

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And I tap into my childhood a lot because I've got children now and I happen to, this

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kind of phase in your life makes you look at your own childhood and go, what happened

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to that fire?

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Surely.

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And I do feel it strongly.

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I started on this path a lot before I hit 40, which is this year.

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So definitely that's my fire.

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And then seeing the contrast of how people have gone into their 30s or more mid 30s to

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40 that I'm meeting women beginning to talk that way.

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And I was like, what the heck?

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No, this is not what we're here for.

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But of course it started, this whole journey started and me interfacing with moms and women

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and even menopausal and post menopausal women as well.

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This whole phase definitely started with my own personal journey a lot earlier than this

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time now where I just hit 40.

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And can you tell us about that?

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Because I noticed that one of your unique titles is a burnout recovery coach.

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And you mentioned that you had an experience with burnout yourself.

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When did that happen for you?

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Absolutely.

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And always learning definitely.

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Well, in my life, even before medical school, even as a teen, it was kind of like in a rush

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rush.

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And I grew up in a place like Singapore, which I don't know if you know for those listening,

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it's very big on achievement and big on qualifications and titles and basically achievement.

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So my parents bought into that, my mom bought into that, they were separated.

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So my mom bought into that and said, you know, listen, like if anything I could give them

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is the best opportunity in education.

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And after that, she can go figure stuff out herself, you know, and she made the choices

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that she made.

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But there was pressure.

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I wasn't, you know, not so much the top school.

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And then I ran well.

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So I was in track and field and then got like kind of, you know, invited to the top school,

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but then felt all the pressure as well, like pressure to run well, also pressure to study

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well and score well and everything.

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But I learned the game, I survived it.

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But I also learned how to like, you know, pass exams and whatnot.

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And that gave me some good skills.

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And then, you know, went got myself into medical school and then and did all the things.

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But you know, you can imagine what this go, go, go mentality can do to you.

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I can only imagine because you know, the American school system is very different.

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I mean, not to say that there's not an achievement culture.

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And I think it's intensifying, you know, now.

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But you know, we don't have the school competition that you guys have, meaning where it's like

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you have to get into top school at a very young age, that that pressure comes on when

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you are so unprepared for it, I feel, you know, observing that from an as an outsider.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And so, you know, I haven't found that sweet spot with it.

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And so my children are not enrolled in schools at the moment until I until I find my sweet

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How old are your kiddos?

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I know you have four, which makes you again, official super mom.

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Yeah, I mean, oh, my gosh, I like push them out.

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We we really I got married late ish.

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So 30 plus.

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And you know, we did want lots and lots of kids around us.

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So it was literally like if you want a lot of big family, you got to push them out, you

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know, start now.

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So we started straight away and had kids every two years.

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That is a full house.

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It's a full house.

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It's all very cute.

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It's really cute.

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Your Instagram is so cute.

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They're all so innocent.

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And you know, there are these things that they say and I'm like, oh, my God, I wish

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I could capture them.

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But then I'm not being present.

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And so so yeah, they're all there, like, you know, swimming around in my head.

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And then they'll say some more different cute stuff and innocent stuff.

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And it just makes us laugh.

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And it's really joyful if I let it be.

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And you know, sitting before us, right, you have a great energy.

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You know, you're here, you're present, you're awake.

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You know, it wasn't like you dragged in the door.

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How do you mean?

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I just had my breakfast.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay, there is also caffeine on the table.

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There's also food on the table.

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I'm going to take you on this latte.

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But how do you maintain like feeling vibrant, feeling energetic when I think the dominant

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narrative, especially on social media, when you have small kids at home is you're destroyed,

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you're sleep deprived, you're struggling, you're barely making it above water.

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How do you turn that narrative on its head?

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I mean, that was what I was told as a pregnant mom with my first and I and you know, you

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know, yeah, and seasoned moms were coming up to me saying your life is never going to

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be the same.

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And I'm like, what, you know, or you're never going to sleep again.

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And four hours is amazing.

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I cannot do with less than eight hours sleep.

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Sometimes I need 10, you know, that's me and I know myself.

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And so I was like, what am I getting myself into?

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That gave me a lot of birth fear.

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Yeah, that was quite harming.

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Even though it contains some truth and maybe some good, good intention.

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But me being me, I'm like, let me try it out myself and show them not show them, figure

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it out and then see.

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And then I saw something different and I'm like, now let me show them.

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Yeah, you know.

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Yeah, I was like, hey, that was the first thing that I broke.

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I'm not someone.

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So I did a few things and it did require work, obviously, because I tended to be of a type

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A personality.

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If you could kind of still use that term around.

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I tended to push myself a little bit more than I needed to.

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actually.

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Yeah, to the point where I was like, OK, look, listen, in this skill, I'm an infant and I'm

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going to learn it.

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And however, what gave me a lot of wind beneath my wings is the fact that I'm a yeah, actually

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the doctor thing I might I'm a bit like to and fro with.

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But the fact that after that, I questioned myself and I was like, am I really helping?

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Am I really helping?

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What do you mean?

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Like with doctoring and in the medical industry as we know it?

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Because I really wanted to help.

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That was it.

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And I thought medical degree would help me help.

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It didn't.

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And so I continued looking for the answers and I went on to study nutritional medicine

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and look at how our environment matters to us today.

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It really, really does.

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It's not an individual issue.

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It's a societal and an environmental issue.

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If everyone begins to see it that way, they're not going to be as hard on themselves.

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So I studied that, went on courses, met lots of people, you know, hung out with naturopaths

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and everything.

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And then bit by bit got myself weller with nutrients, with herbs, with understanding

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my hormones, with implementing this diet that I prescribed to other people but never practiced

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myself.

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And now I'm like, hang on, I need to kind of, you know, walk the talk now.

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What sort of things should women who are in their 40s look out for when they are getting

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to that sort of burnout stage or even prior to getting to that point where they're like,

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what are the burnout red flags?

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What should they be sort of focusing on?

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Yeah, what are the red flags like you say?

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Absolutely.

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And there are six stages of burnout if you kind of quickly go Google it.

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And being able to identify yourself at stage one before things go to stage six, where you're

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behaving a little bit more like a chronic fatigue person with absolutely a whole host

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of mood issues and definitely a whole list of diagnosis by that point, endometriosis,

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COS, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, heart disease, kidney disease, that extreme end of stuff,

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right?

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You know, where recovery is not just a two week adaptogen drink, right?

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That's stage six.

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And stage five is some level of that where actually there is some kind of recovery and

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maybe the recovery can take you six months to a year.

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Stage six, it's like there, I've still got clients in their two, three, four year journey

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going slowly climbing out of that pit.

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Okay, so six, five, then we've got four where maybe there's one diagnosis and there's that

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feeling of stress, but someone's still managing to cope, right?

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Still managing to cope with some drugs, with some crutches, with the best supplements,

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but they're taking it every single day and they can't do a day without, right?

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With your...

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Are these drugs wine or?

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Is it schtickism or you really mean drug?

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Yeah, you know, I mean, okay, we live in a bubble in Singapore.

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Most people are kind of okay, but there are people using drugs to numb things.

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Yeah, they're using alcohol to numb things.

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That's for sure.

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But my predominant population are living in Singapore and there's less of this drug

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thing here, right?

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You know, and alcoholism is not as rife, but surely the rest of the world, there's that

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glass of wine every night that turns into two glasses of wine every night or like, oh

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my God, it's like every single night now.

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And if I don't have it, it's...

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Yeah, I can't...

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Yeah, you see?

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So where are we?

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Stage six, five, four, getting less in severity, three.

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It's some measure of it.

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All of it is a little bit of a spectrum.

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So I think off the top of my head, I couldn't really kind of shout it out to you, but two

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and three are more or less where a lot of people walking around in the professional

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world, right, going to work every day, running their families, flick between.

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You just flick in between stage two and three all the time.

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Some days you're okay, some days you're not okay.

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Some days you're coping and some days you're not coping.

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But then in general, how you would report to your friends is like, I'm doing well, like

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you're actually motivated.

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Oh, like I...

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And then I had, you know, I went on a 20 day diet and now I feel great.

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And then you feel okay again.

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And then you get into this state of despair and it's short lived.

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And then you find some other thing.

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I read this book and it really changed my life.

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And then you keep going.

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You just keep going with these little stop gap measures.

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But then some people make it out and some people kind of still continue declining because

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they haven't looked at the right things.

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And by that point, the right things are going to be the key nutrients.

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They're going to be your hormonal health.

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They're going to be, you know, feeding yourself to your thyroid functions properly and all

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these basics.

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And looking at, you know, your emotional health, which is a big root of while a lot of us and

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so many more, more and more people are being driven and driving themselves to burnout.

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And that's what I used to do as well.

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I had the world's programming in my head, talking to myself that way.

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Yeah.

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How did you deprogram?

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I'm still doing it.

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So I couldn't teach that.

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I couldn't teach that because like, you know, I'm a 40, but I feel one years old in that

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aspect really.

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But yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then you really go, okay, we need to look a bit deeper as a medical professional, seeing

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patients and helping them with burnout.

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At first, I thought it was a two week process here.

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You've got burnout.

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Let me fix you.

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Two weeks.

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Just do this and just do that and you'll be fine.

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Bye bye.

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And then a year later, they'd be like, shit, this has happened again.

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And then they'll pay me my fees and buy all the stuff.

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And then they'll get so revolving door.

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Did I solve a problem?

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I don't think so.

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I just perpetuated it.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So it's another in and out.

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Like another, I was just like, Oh, wait a minute.

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I'm just getting paid for them to flick between stage two and three of burnout.

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And I'm earning money just for them to do this two and four thing.

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I'm not helping.

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Yeah.

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Like you said, you're kind of opening a door between those two stages.

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So they can get a little better and then they fall back to being a little worse and a little

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better, a little worse.

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A little better, a little worse.

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Right?

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Like, are we really helping there?

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In the fitness profession, I think we see something similar as well.

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You know, it's like people go super gung ho in the beginning.

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You know, they want to do their 30 day challenge and get in the gym three times a week.

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And then all of a sudden it just, you know, an injury happens, let's say, you know, from

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from too, you know, too much too fast, too soon.

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And then it scales them all the way back, sometimes even worse than they were before,

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because then now they haven't exercised in six months because of the injury.

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So I think what you and I do is probably very similar in that we're kind of we're encouraging

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an approach that is not glamorous.

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It is not a 30 day challenge, but it's one that has an eye on longevity and one that

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has an eye on resilience.

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And that's a word I know you use a lot in your practice, is building a resilient approach.

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Now that I'm kind of making the unsexy stuff sexy, like sleep.

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That is sexy to me.

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It's talking my language, Cheryl.

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You know, then I was wanting to also say that going back into stage one, let's talk about

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stage one burnout.

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That's a bit like people kind of don't really know what stage one burnout looks like.

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It looks like the picture of success, actually.

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I feel that really resonates with me because I'm the eldest child.

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I'm a daughter.

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I'm Indian.

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So, you know, if I ever got a B in something, my mom would be like, who got an A?

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And I would mention my friend's name.

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She's like, OK, so you need to get an A. So I always felt this pressure, you know, and

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it wasn't that, you know, my mom was not, you know, like proud of me or what I had achieved,

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but it was like, you can do better.

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And then I felt I could do better.

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So, you know, I had to get into this particular university.

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I had to study this particular course.

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And all of that pressure, I felt, was always there.

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And I feel like, you know, I suffered and I didn't realize I was suffering, you know.

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I used to get chronic hives, as an urticaria.

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I've got Hashimoto's.

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When it's a perimenopause, like a 36.

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So, you know, there's just so much that I feel came with the pressure of being the eldest

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child, being Indian.

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And it's not a particular issue with, you know, the way I was brought up.

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I think it was just a cultural, cultural norm.

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And a societal norm that we're here to break, actually.

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I mean, if we want more of that and we want our kids to continue in this cultural norm,

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then continue as you are.

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But if you don't want that, then it kind of, we need to break this, no?

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Yeah.

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I feel the pressure there as well.

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So, we're looking at going back to the UK.

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My eldest son is probably going to be heading to secondary school there.

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And now I'm seeing that there's these exams he needs to take.

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And I'm, you know, other parents back in the UK are already tutoring their kids and pushing

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them like, you're going to have to get into this school, you're going to have to get into

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that school.

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And I'm feeling the pressure again, like, shit, I want my son to be, you know, enjoy

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his time as a child and, you know, be okay.

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But I also do want him to get into these schools.

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And now I'm like, ah, what do I do?

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There is a conflict because we were exactly brought up in these systems, you know.

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And even the decision to homeschool my children, right?

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They're being homeschooled by a person, me, who is schooled.

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Wow.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So what am I going to do?

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I'm going to go home.

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Like, that's toxic.

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Isn't that what I was trying to avoid in the first place?

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So it really takes a lot of unpicking and then that commitment to give yourself time

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and space to do it because you're building a new personality.

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Right?

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So burnout.

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It wasn't that two week Ashwagandha boost.

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It really is.

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I've been doing it for 20 years.

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I mean, if you ask me when I first went out 20 years ago.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Right?

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And then I'm like, oh, it's the environment.

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I'll just lighten my load, you know.

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And now I'm married so we can share our financial burdens and now work a little bit less.

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And I burnt out again.

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And I'm like, this is not like, you know, and then I worked even less and I thinking

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that that was the solution and no, burnt out again.

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I mean, had that not as major as the first one, but had that feelings of apathy or, or

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like, you know, anxiety and then the questioning came and then that tiredness and, and for

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me, like my bugbear is eczema.

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So that's always your kind of first sign.

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My first sign.

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Yeah, the signs of it, you see.

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So so it's not a two week process.

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Think more in the terms of it's a commitment to really unplug from it.

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And it's going to take like 20 years kind of a thing, you know, like when you said,

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you know, our parents are putting the pressure onto us.

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I feel like they have bought into society and cultures depiction of success and then

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they've placed it on us.

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And so it's a matter of how much we buy into the external and then place it on our kids

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as well.

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And then it just continues that way.

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And then it just generation on generation becomes a more high pressure environment.

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Or less if we decide to choose different.

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You know, I always, my wife shouldn't say I always joke, my parents joke, right, that

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the concept of helicopter parenting kind of came about, you know, when I was growing up

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and my parents always joke that they were never helicopter parents, which is very true.

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My parents are submarine parents.

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So they just kind of chill under the surface every now and then they throw up the periscope

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and like everything good and we're back down.

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My parents were super chill.

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And I, and I, that's exactly how my husband and I tried to parent.

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We, you know, I think it's a cute example, a cute metaphor, but it really is how we do.

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You know, we obviously are always there, right?

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We're always under the surface.

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We're a presence, but we're not over them, hovering, looking, judging.

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We're just underneath observing.

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And again, every now and then the periscope is there, you know, a sound from above.

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If we really think they're killing each other in the bedroom, my kids are three and two,

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right?

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So they're, they're real little.

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And it's like, you know, I think we're going to continue on that same vein because we don't

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want to perpetuate the cycle that my husband did grow up in, in Singapore with the competitive

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school system, with the pressure at home, as soon as you step out of school, you know,

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with the tuition, as soon as you get out of, you know, you go from pressure, you know,

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the home pressure to the school pressure, to the tuition pressure, you close your eyes

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for a while and it starts again.

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And that's for over a decade.

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And I can't imagine a child growing up in that.

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And that's not how our kids are going to be.

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Yeah.

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So I'm sure.

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We all are doing our bit right to try to, you know, check out of it.

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You know, I've got friends in the school system trying to keep a balance with it as well.

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It's a challenge.

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It's a challenge.

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Yeah, it's a challenge because, you know, that feeling can come, feel frustrating and

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tiring, especially when someone else places their goals on you.

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Right?

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If it's your own choice from the get go, it's different.

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It's different.

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It feels different.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And if there are parents out there who from the get go, they're really into and really

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believe in the school system and the education and all the tuition and getting into the top

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schools, or perhaps that's the right thing for their family and their child, then yeah,

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I think that their flow with it is going to be a lot more than the parent who doesn't

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quite believe in it, but feels that they have to.

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Very, very subtle difference.

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Yeah.

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The forced participation.

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Yeah.

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I think that's where I am, to be honest.

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Yeah, I want to talk to you.

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Yeah, so what were you talking about?

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We went into that because we were talking about what burnout stage zero looks like,

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the picture of success where it's high achievement and there is a lot of motivation and the drive

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is high.

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You know, the optimism is high and the ability is actually high.

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So that type of personality, you know, requires that understanding that how to take care of

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yourself, how to, you know, again, align with yourself because you can be very successful

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achieving other people's goals.

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And then you get to the state of disillusionment very, very quickly.

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Yeah.

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So to always align back with yourself.

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Yeah.

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You mentioned Ashwagandha, which I love.

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Are there any other types of adaptogens or supplements that women can start taking to

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just give them that little bit of an edge to help them feel better rather than, I guess,

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the glass of wine?

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Yeah, that's right.

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I love you asked that question because herbs are a nice extra to have when your body is

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already functioning.

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It's just like with plants and fertilizers, right?

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Your question to me was like asking, oh, what fertilizers are great.

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My question back, are you giving the plant soil?

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Right?

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Are you giving the plant soil and the basic nutrients?

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Because one in three, and actually in the women that ask for me for help, half of them

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or more than half of them have a nutrient deficiency.

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And these are basic nutrients.

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This is iron.

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Wow.

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You know, this is folate, right?

482
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,200
This is vitamin D, sunshine, magnesium.

483
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,200
Okay.

484
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,120
So there's a list that I repeatedly find and there's only a list of five.

485
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,120
We don't have to test all the vitamins.

486
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,120
I think you just named four.

487
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:05,120
Yeah.

488
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,120
Wait, what was the other one then?

489
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,120
Zinc.

490
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,120
Zinc.

491
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,760
The balance of zinc with copper as well, which is what I teach.

492
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:18,600
So I found that in my life as a GP, as well as a functional medicine practitioner is that

493
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,120
I only needed to look into these and create such change.

494
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,960
70% of people that came through my clinic didn't have to come back again because they

495
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,080
would just fix these and they'd know what to do.

496
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,240
The body would know what to do.

497
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,000
Their body would just heal from the things that they kind of like circled and listed

498
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,840
as symptoms and they'd go away.

499
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,400
And then it's the 30% that I would go deeper into functional medicine work or integrative

500
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,160
medicine work with them, with the gut issues, autoimmunity and more of the longstanding

501
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,160
issues.

502
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,360
And the everyday person, if you fix these, body heals itself.

503
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:57,880
I love that, the five key nutrients approach, because I do think there's an element of in

504
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,400
medicine, it's so complicated.

505
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,840
The approach has to be complicated to be successful.

506
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:09,840
But what you're saying is as long as you look at these five key nutrients first, it's a

507
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,640
70% chance that you may be successful.

508
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,640
You may feel better.

509
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,400
And I think that gives a glimmer of hope to women who are like, this is too complicated

510
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,800
an approach for me.

511
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,600
This is my starting point with all my patients.

512
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:27,600
And I found that it really gave them a lot of energy boost and a lot of calm.

513
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,160
And they stuck with any further work that they needed to do.

514
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,800
Because by the time you come and seek help from a doctor or a practitioner, you're tired.

515
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,560
You are like losing focus, your brain fogged.

516
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:44,200
And so for some of my clients, they come find me as a first step, great.

517
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,840
But many people have cycled through doctors and specialists and practitioners and whatever

518
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,920
else.

519
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:58,240
Having not even had these tests done, or having had the tests done because the doctor obliged,

520
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:04,180
but not having them looked at in an optimal range, or maybe they have looked at it in

521
00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:10,080
an optimal range, but haven't supplemented efficiently or long enough or with the right

522
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,480
dose.

523
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:17,920
And lastly, haven't been told how you're going to come off these supplements by tweaking

524
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,320
your diet and your lifestyle.

525
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,880
So there are all these steps missing.

526
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,680
And I'm like, what's going on here?

527
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,080
So it's not just about testing.

528
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,360
I can just tell my colleagues and my doctor colleagues, hey, just test for these and then

529
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:29,360
I'll be good.

530
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:36,120
Like, it'll get you one step, but there are five steps to how to really create vibrancy,

531
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:43,480
which is not being on supplements, not needing the ashwagandha and the rhodiola and even

532
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,920
the multivitamins, I dare say, to function.

533
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,280
Because optimally, your body is welcoming food into your body.

534
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,640
Your body is digesting everything really well.

535
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,120
You don't have to eat so much of everything.

536
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:02,320
You have all the nutrients you need and all the macros and the micros.

537
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,360
So that is what I actually decided.

538
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:10,200
Listen, if I'm taking through all my patients on this, how can I turn this into a course?

539
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,280
Doctors were not listening too much to me.

540
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,400
They were busy enough doing the busy work.

541
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,800
And I was like, all right, well, let me see how much people want to know.

542
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,120
And seriously, moms, coaches, like a whole host of them were like, oh my God, can you

543
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,640
teach us, please?

544
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:36,400
And so I launched it in 2020 when everyone suddenly was online and everyone suddenly

545
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,560
wanted to learn about how to improve your health and therefore your immunity improving.

546
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,180
And so I called it Kickstart Your Immunity.

547
00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:50,680
And within Kickstart Your Immunity, we go through all these steps of what tests to request

548
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,480
for with your doctor, any doctor.

549
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,120
They're not functional medicine expensive tests.

550
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,200
They're regular doctory tests that labs know how to do very cheaply.

551
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,320
It's just doctors don't ask for them enough.

552
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,760
How to read them.

553
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,760
Here's a cheat sheet.

554
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,320
Read them and then follow the instructions of what to do depending on the reading that

555
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,560
comes back.

556
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Here are the list of supplements that you want to choose from.

557
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,960
Here's how much to take.

558
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,880
Here are the ones that are great forms of supplements.

559
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,600
This is the kind of magnesium to take.

560
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,080
Take glycinate, for example, or citrate.

561
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,920
And don't take magnesium oxide, for example, because none of that's really going to get

562
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:32,920
into your body.

563
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,680
So that education around that makes us savvy consumers.

564
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,320
And we take the responsibility into our own hands to be super healthy so that we don't

565
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,040
have to keep seeking the medical profession for help.

566
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,320
And frankly, will the medical profession tell you what to eat and how to care for your body?

567
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,200
No, it's like come to me when you're almost dying and I'll help you.

568
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,640
Yeah, so I can give you this sponsored medication that I'm making a grip cash off of.

569
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,840
I say that as someone who co-owns a clinic and is in the medical profession.

570
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,960
My husband's in the medical profession.

571
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,920
So I know the game.

572
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,840
Yeah, it's like that, right?

573
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,160
And it serves a purpose.

574
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,160
Don't get me wrong.

575
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,360
Like I really do require that my clients who are coaching with me, I'm like, hey, I'm going

576
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,700
to give you high level stuff.

577
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:19,040
You need to do your GP stuff.

578
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,200
You need to go and get a friendly GP.

579
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:28,320
And the thing is most GPs are beginning to realize that they're not the authoritarian

580
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,840
GP-ing and doctoring is not going to get you anywhere these days.

581
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,960
I mean, people are empowered, which is awesome.

582
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Yeah.

583
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Yeah.

584
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,000
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, most people are deficient in magnesium and

585
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,680
it's not, well, I guess it could be that they're not eating enough.

586
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,320
But is it all said because it's just not being absorbed because of the nutrients they are

587
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,320
taking in?

588
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,280
Again, correct me again if I'm wrong, but is it, you know, if you eat too many grains,

589
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,520
it blocks the absorption of the magnesium in the body?

590
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,560
Oh yeah, there is that talk about how grains can be nutrient blockers.

591
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:06,800
But I think that the effect of it is minute.

592
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,800
Okay.

593
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:15,240
Compared with magnesium washing out in our pee when we drink coffee, when we're stressed,

594
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,680
stressed people just contain more magnesium in their pee versus their bodies.

595
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,680
Interesting.

596
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,320
Please don't tell me I have to stop drinking coffee because I love coffee.

597
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Well, well, you can take magnesium, right?

598
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,760
That's fair enough.

599
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,280
That's a supplement I may need to continue then in terms of not giving up caffeine.

600
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,800
You can make, yeah, shameless plug.

601
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:41,960
I mean, I founded the Sleep Lab to formulate pure 100% magnesium glycinate in pharmaceutical

602
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,520
grade.

603
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,720
And I also make sure that they're fine ground because sickest patients kind of need to open

604
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,080
the capsule and use them.

605
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,400
Children can open the capsule and use them and they absorb super quickly without all

606
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,040
the additives and the preservatives.

607
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:01,880
Like, that's a good one for us over 40 to keep as a daily habit because you take it

608
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:07,920
one night, you feel like your muscle tension goes away and I feel like you can catch the

609
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,080
sleepy bug a bit quicker, right?

610
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,800
You stay asleep and you're refreshed a little bit better, but you take it over months, you

611
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,360
increase your bone density.

612
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,360
Yeah.

613
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Wow.

614
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Yeah.

615
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,360
Okay.

616
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,360
And your hormonal health and your detoxification abilities.

617
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:26,200
Like I said about the soil, magnesium is so basic and how can most of us be lacking it?

618
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,720
It's ludicrous.

619
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,480
It's part of the, you know, you mentioned soil.

620
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,200
So if someone went out into some grounding and actually went out without shoes on, can

621
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,240
that help or not as much as, you know, I'm hoping?

622
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,240
Yeah.

623
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,160
A grounding is so good.

624
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:49,040
I mean, that's how we reconnect with ourselves and reduce our inflammation levels and we

625
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:56,280
then don't rinse through our supplements as quickly when you are more connected with nature,

626
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,720
when you're more connected with yourself and you're just living a little bit more calmly,

627
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,920
authentically, you're not going to rinse through, for example, the magnesium as quickly.

628
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,600
You're not going to rinse through your iron as quickly.

629
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,600
Yeah.

630
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,120
So in that way it helps.

631
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,400
But if you're deeply deficient, like most people are, then it requires that testing

632
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,880
and that supplementing.

633
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,960
Some people skip the testing because they have an idea and then they go out to the pharmacy,

634
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,640
to like Guardian Pharmacy or the, you know, the retail shops to pick up a supplement and

635
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,640
whatnot.

636
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,640
Yeah.

637
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,280
But you don't really know what you're treating by that point.

638
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,280
Yeah.

639
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,280
So.

640
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,280
Yeah.

641
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,280
What's your dosing?

642
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,280
What's your frequency?

643
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,280
Correct.

644
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,280
But grounding is a great tool.

645
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,280
Like going for a swim in the sea just like cures all my problems almost.

646
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Yeah.

647
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Other than the looks you get from people like, who's that crazy one walking around with no

648
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000
shoes on?

649
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Yeah.

650
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
What's she doing?

651
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,000
No, we should make that a norm.

652
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Yeah.

653
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Yeah, absolutely.

654
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,040
Well, you mentioned earlier when we were talking about burnout, right?

655
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,580
A lot of the burnout coming from work stress, right?

656
00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:55,160
From career pressures, from school pressures.

657
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,240
But I want to shift gears a little bit and talk about one of the pressures that I think

658
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,920
is increasingly facing women that are trying to conceive at older ages and that's fertility

659
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,040
pressure.

660
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,640
And that is the pressure that we put on ourselves to have a baby.

661
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,760
And the reality is it is harder to have a baby later in life.

662
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,080
And those fertility pressures tend to feel more urgent when you're approaching 40 and

663
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,400
you're thinking about fertility for the first time or you're thinking about even secondary

664
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,580
infertility, right?

665
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:26,360
So how do you work with women that are experiencing kind of a self-imposed level of stress from

666
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,680
their fertility journeys?

667
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Oh, it's a big question, isn't it?

668
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:36,840
I mean, that is a tough place to be, definitely.

669
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:45,800
And actually, I find that it's a result of being maybe disconnected to the fact that

670
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:53,000
actually in older, more third world countries, people are having babies a lot earlier and

671
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,640
then looking at career.

672
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:01,920
But a societal setup is just like do your career, get your degree.

673
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,960
And you can't just get your degree.

674
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,440
You've got to get somewhere because there's always an internship and there's always something

675
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,840
to achieve and something to achieve.

676
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,360
And you put it off and you forget about your biology and you forget about your true needs

677
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,900
and you put it aside.

678
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:17,720
And then you wake up to your true needs and it's like, hey, time's passed.

679
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,240
That's a hard pill to swallow.

680
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,000
Yeah, you can't get time back.

681
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000
You cannot.

682
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,800
Especially when it refers to your fertility.

683
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:31,760
So it feels very unfair to the woman because she's suddenly like, what?

684
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,920
But what's happened is that perhaps it could be like, oh, have I lost my connection with

685
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,660
myself for a while and I look at it and it's too late?

686
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:43,200
That's really, really hard.

687
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,120
But having said that, if we've been taking care of ourselves and we know how to take

688
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,560
care of ourselves, literally, it can be the best time.

689
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,160
And it's not a absolute 100% no.

690
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,160
Okay, good.

691
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,960
I like to hear that as an older mom.

692
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,960
It's not a no.

693
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,480
You just need to be real wise about it, but also not to be harsh on yourself about it.

694
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,840
And that's why I mentioned about the society and the conditioning and the stuff that we're

695
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,280
trying to unpick about.

696
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,480
It's not an individual problem and I don't want the individual to have to shoulder it

697
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:22,680
quietly because I do in the consultation room really see like, really the woman has just

698
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,360
taken it on and never ever spoken about it to anybody else and felt shame about it.

699
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,680
I'm like, this is not your fault.

700
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,680
Yeah.

701
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,080
But you got to be real smart about it.

702
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,200
Yeah, absolutely.

703
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,280
I had a client who I was speaking to who's struggling with a lot of issues.

704
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,360
I'm pretty sure she's got high cortisol levels.

705
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,960
And at one point I mentioned to her, what about seeing a functional doctor?

706
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,960
Because then we can sort of get to the sort of root cause of everything.

707
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:54,400
And her response was, I went to go see a functional doctor, but the form was super long.

708
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,360
She wanted to know how I was born, whether I was breastfed.

709
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,040
And she said, I just don't have time for that.

710
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,680
What would you say to somebody who feels like the functional approach is too much?

711
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,720
Functional medicine is a term that we have all been familiar with only in the last five

712
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:13,720
years.

713
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:14,720
Yeah.

714
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:20,320
Cause the Institute of functional medicine have marketed it well, which is really awesome.

715
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,760
Because before that I was like, what do I even call this stuff?

716
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Integrative holistic.

717
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,200
My mentors who have been doing it since the sixties have also gone through like several

718
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,280
names for it.

719
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,120
Ecological medicine is one of them.

720
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,520
Integral medicine, a lot of stuff, right?

721
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,560
Anyways, so functional medicine as it's now called has a particular method and is just

722
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,800
one of my tools in a bunch of things that I use.

723
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,040
And one of the things that kind of, when your question came up to me, that made me kind

724
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:03,960
of think, Hey, actually functional medicine also has this bad rep of like big intake forms,

725
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,760
big bunch of blood tests, $2,000 worth of blood testing.

726
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,800
I want to know, I want to know what your hormones are doing and you're going to go a Dutch test

727
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,200
and you're going to do the whole host of a food intolerance test and this test, that

728
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,160
test before I even see you.

729
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,280
That's a business too, right?

730
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,200
I mean, we're complaining about the medical industry and how they run their business.

731
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,640
This kind of way is it really needed?

732
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,200
So that's how some people run it.

733
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:38,080
And therefore that's how functional medicine also has a bad reputation for being expensive,

734
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,080
very expensive.

735
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,520
But, you know, doctors, I believe can learn some skills in functional medicine and really

736
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,360
apply it with pragmatism very well.

737
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,240
And it need not be expensive.

738
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:57,680
And then when you come to coaching, Oh yeah, I mean, that's where like, you know, I coach

739
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,520
so that we don't have to run the functional medicine tests.

740
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:07,080
I coach so that we have them, but I can pull on them as needed.

741
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:13,460
But I don't have to buy the most recommend the most expensive supplements to you.

742
00:39:13,460 --> 00:39:17,200
We have a chat about it and I'm like, these are available to you.

743
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,480
But do you really want to be using them as a crutch all the time?

744
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,820
Or do you want to finally look at your sleep and haunt that and see again how much you

745
00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:26,820
need to spend?

746
00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:27,820
Yeah, I love it.

747
00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:31,680
I love that you empower your clients to make choices about how far they want to go into

748
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,180
that supplement world, how far they want to go into functional medicine, right?

749
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:39,680
That lifestyle approaches can still in many ways be the solution.

750
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,760
Oh yeah, for reals.

751
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,560
For reals.

752
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:49,320
Well, we are wrapping up here, but I thank you so much for your insight, Cheryl.

753
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,160
I have one last question for you that we've been asking all of our guests here on the

754
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,360
40s formula.

755
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,980
And it is, what is your 40s formula?

756
00:39:56,980 --> 00:40:01,020
If you had a few choice pieces of information to share with women in their 40s about how

757
00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:04,440
they can thrive and feel their best, what would that look like?

758
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:11,640
It definitely is not buying into the decline because women have phases of life where cyclical,

759
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,040
we've got seasons, right?

760
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:20,760
We've got the growing up season, we've got the mothering season, and then we've also

761
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:26,040
got the wise woman season at the end, you know?

762
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,480
And it's a different one.

763
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:33,520
We contribute to society, we're going to contribute to society differently, but that requires

764
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:40,920
a maturation and that requires a new set of skills sometimes, right?

765
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,920
And I'm not there yet.

766
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,120
I'm right at the beginning.

767
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,920
So I'm actually considering that 40 is not an aging process.

768
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,480
It's the beginning of the next phase.

769
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,480
It's like a rebirth.

770
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,480
I love that.

771
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,480
Yeah, I like that too.

772
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,480
You know?

773
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,480
Beginning of a new chapter.

774
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,480
Right.

775
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,480
Try again.

776
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,480
We're still young enough.

777
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Yeah, try again.

778
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,320
Yeah, let's do this again.

779
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,640
And it's going to be really different and it's going to really break us apart to rebuild,

780
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:05,640
right?

781
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,560
But I'm here to help.

782
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,080
Like, you know, there's so much help around these days about, and a lot of people are

783
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,960
also being a little bit more proactive with their, I love it.

784
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,720
I'm meeting so many people who are doing this right.

785
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,840
And kind of catching themselves also prior to 40.

786
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,880
I'm working with people who are 35 who are so hyper aware of what's coming up, you know?

787
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,040
But never too late to start.

788
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,080
And of course, with me, I like to be efficient.

789
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,080
I'm a bit lazy.

790
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,080
I'm lazy.

791
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:39,280
I'm just like laziness is a good thing because it's caused me to be so efficient with how

792
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,280
I spend my time.

793
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,360
You know, I want to do the 20% and get 80% of the results.

794
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,160
What's the thing I'm going to do?

795
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:53,440
And that's kind of the base of how I think and how I plan the strategy for people and

796
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,440
my clients.

797
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,880
And I put out courses in that manner as well.

798
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:58,880
Less time, more results.

799
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,280
We are all about it.

800
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,320
Thank you so much again, Dr. Cheryl, for being with us.

801
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,600
We are so, so happy to have your insights and have you here with us on the 40s Formula.

802
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,600
Thank you.

803
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,840
I'm so grateful that you invited me.

804
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:09,840
Thank you.

805
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,400
This is Paul, our editor.

806
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,360
He's a 25 year old unmarried Singaporean guy listening to the ramblings of 12 older women

807
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,980
on everything from menopause to weightlifting to sex.

808
00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:25,240
So Paul, what's your thoughts on today's conversation?

809
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:30,880
So I'm actually a composer, arranger, and I handle mostly post-production work on media-based

810
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,600
stuff and on different mediums such as this podcast, I guess.

811
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,440
I grew up in a fast-paced environment here in Singapore with all the high achieving lifestyle

812
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,440
stuff I guess.

813
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,440
So I'm easily burned out with all the nature of my work and demanding daylines.

814
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,920
And besides that, I'm always constantly worrying about the stress of, I guess, primarily getting

815
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,320
paid because I'm a broke mid-20s, fresh grad with doing freelance work.

816
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,600
Not saying that I'm broke exactly, but just saying that money is always a thing because

817
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,000
it's just the nature of the job and the work, I guess.

818
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,520
So in a way, the topic of burnout relates to me pretty closely and I don't really have

819
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,360
a fixed way of handling burnout, but I guess for me, I drink alcohol, I guess, because

820
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,560
hey man, I'm just 20s chilling.

821
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,960
All right, anyway, not health advice, but just be healthy, I guess.

822
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,960
All right, stay safe.

823
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:24,960
See you guys.

824
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,960
Bye bye.

825
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,960
Chill.

826
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,280
Hey guys, did you know that you can leave us questions and comments on FanList?

827
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,280
That's right.

828
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,080
On fanlist.com slash the 40s formula, you can leave us a voice note where you can ask

829
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,120
us anything, leave us your feedback or just say hi.

830
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,760
A listener also reached out to us and said this.

831
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,760
Well done.

832
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I can't wait for the next one.

833
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,520
I feel like I need more now.

834
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,220
I need to binge listen to more.

835
00:43:47,220 --> 00:43:48,220
You got me hooked.

836
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:52,080
I'm addicted and I will definitely be forwarding this on to my friends and family.

837
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Thank you.

838
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,120
Thank you so much, listener.

839
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,680
It's so lovely to hear that you really enjoyed this and thanks so much for forwarding this

840
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on to people who you feel can appreciate the content too.

841
00:44:01,780 --> 00:44:06,540
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842
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844
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845
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851
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852
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,440
conversations with inspiring guests.

853
00:44:40,440 --> 00:45:05,800
Bye.

854
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:27,400
Yeah, exactly.

855
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,400
Oh, you guys found him.

856
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,400
Yeah.

857
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,400
Well, I mean, hello, I'm Paul.

858
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,040
The studio, the studio actually did help us find Paul.

859
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,040
Oh, yeah.

860
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,040
Okay.

861
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,040
Right?

862
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,040
Yeah.

863
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,040
Was it the high five or was it someone else?

864
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,480
I can't remember.

865
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Somebody recommended you.

866
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Siobhan, right?

867
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,480
Yes.

868
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,480
Yes.

869
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,480
Yeah.

870
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,480
Okay.

871
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Yeah.

872
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,480
So somebody recommended you.

873
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,480
What's like your, you know, your job.

874
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,480
Yeah.

875
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,480
Okay.

876
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,880
So I am actually a full time freelancer.

877
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,720
My primary domain is actually composition, like music and stuff.

878
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:59,720
I'm an musician.

879
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:04,240
And I, and this is a bit more of like a side thing, actually, like podcasting or recording

880
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,600
for podcasting and post-production because I have recording.

881
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,160
Yeah.

882
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,400
And he wrote our podcast jingle.

883
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,800
So when you hear the forties formula jingle, that's all Paul.

884
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,800
Yep.

885
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:18,800
Really?

886
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,800
Okay.

887
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,800
Wow.

888
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,800
You guys are like, I don't know.

889
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,800
Okay.

890
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,800
You're doing this properly.

891
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,800
Yeah.

892
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,800
Let's be another one.

893
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,800
Properties.

894
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,800
Cause someone else made that comment to me.

895
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:29,800
You say, Oh, it's proper.

896
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,800
I'm like, yeah.

897
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:31,800
No, no, no.

898
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,600
Cause like I, we, I look for jingles too.

899
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,040
And we like kind of do a royalty free music.

900
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,040
Yeah.

901
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,040
Like that.

902
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,040
There's also a royalty free music.

903
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,760
Or you can make a jingle, you know?

904
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Well, we thought we'd utilize Paul's skills and which we didn't even know.

905
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,600
I want a personal jingle.

906
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,000
I never walk into the room.

907
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,320
I want one like, okay, cool.

908
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,320
Yeah.

909
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,320
Yeah.

910
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,520
That can be like your side side gig is like podcasting and then also music for podcasting.

911
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Yeah.

912
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:01,520
All right.

913
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Cool.

914
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,520
All right.