Hey, Chris. How's it going? Good. How you doing,
John? I'm pretty good. I have to admit, I'm looking
at that red button after last time. Like, are
you on? Well, it was on, and then it wasn't on,
and then we brought it back on. Yeah. Yeah. So,
feeling a little gun -shy. But I did make sure
and bring my... Special recorder. Big SD. Big
SD. No. SSD. SSD. Big SSD. Sorry. It is the end
of the day. It is the end of the day. Wednesdays
are not easy for me right now, but this is a
welcome end to what is a hard day. Yes. Yes.
We've got the whole. one terabyte storage. So
I think, I think we're going to be, we're going
to be good. We're not going to run out this time.
No, definitely says 12 plus hours, which is always
funny. Cause I mean, it's like, it's like, it's
like road can't count past 12. They're like,
you've got enough 12 plus hours. I don't, I don't
even, I don't even know if that many hours exist.
Yeah. You're good. Here we are. Yes. Well, good
show chris yeah talk to you later yep see y 'all
in two weeks oh my gosh anyway we uh we got off
our game and that's my fault that's okay sickness
happens i was sick it's all right so those of
you that were really like pining for that last
for this episode but earlier i'm really sorry
no i will use I will move as quick as I can to
get this one out because we record again next
week. Next week, and we've got a schedule to
keep. We do. We do. We missed it this week. No
big deal. We'll get it out, and then we'll be
back on schedule. Because we've got stuff coming.
But before we get to the stuff coming. We have
other stuff. We have other stuff. So do you want
the one that requires the mug first? It's your
beer, man. You tell me what we're doing. Well,
I mean, you've got such nice frostiness on the
mug. I don't want you to lose it. That mug is
very frosty right now. So let's go with the mug,
the one for the mug, and then the others are
in the bottle. Okay. And they can hold. They
can wait. Make it wait. The anticipation is killing
me. My mug is not as impressive. Well, it is.
It's not frosty. The exact same mug. It's just
not. It's cool, but it's not. Frosty. This was
in the freezer for weeks. All right, here we
go. Oh, yes. Big reveal yet not big reveal. I
forgot about it. Yes. Bringing it back because
we didn't get it a couple of shows ago. You're
right. Delirium Nocturnum. It is a family brewery.
Brewery. I'm talking about I've already been
drinking too much. I'm just saying. It is a Belgian
ale. It's the fatigue, guys. It's the fatigue.
There you go. It's real. Eight and a half percent.
No blurb on the bottle. We might find something
on the site. Yeah, it's a very fun looking bottle.
Don't know what color it is because you can't
see through the bottle. We're about to find out.
It's a white bottle. Yes. Nocturna. Delirium
.be. Beer. Beer. Oh, it is. Not a color we're
going to be disappointed in. Oh, okay. Okay.
Strong dark ale. I'll take it. Strong. Strong.
Strong. I don't know how to pronounce that word,
though. Delirium nocturum. Come on. Come on.
You can load the page. I believe in you. Not
in this house. Come on, Windows. Okay, maybe
that's the problem. My page is already loaded,
Chris. It's just spinny, spinny, spinny. Maybe
it's not the internet that's the problem. It's
chrome. There it goes. Hey. Sure. Blame chrome.
Ooh, that is a nice color. Right? Ooh. The scent
says touches of caramel, mocha and chocolate,
spices such as licorice and coriander are also
present. Okay, well. It's low on the IBU. It's
a 24. So it's not going to be bitter. Well, we'll
see. But it says, initially, a very good mouthfeel
of alcohol and softness. This is followed by
an increasing bitterness, partially from the
hop, but also from the roasted malt and chocolate
malt. Towards the end, a nice balance between
bitterness, sour, and sweet. So maybe the bitterness
that they're talking about is like dark chocolate
bitter? Probably. Okay. I can handle that. At
24, it's not going to be very bitter. No, no,
no. It'll be low. We've had some that were way
more bitter. Yep. All right. Way more. You got
to pop this top, man. It's corked and everything.
It is. I do like that. Kind of like the Chimay's.
Mm -hmm. Ooh, they have a delirium red. That
looks good. Sorry, I'm getting sidetracked by
other products on their page. What's with the
pink elephant? It's from being delirious, I guess.
So this is like a Winnie the Pooh fever dream.
We got heffalumps and woozles. Something like
that. It's that or they're into other medicinal
type products. I don't know what you're talking
about. I've never heard of other medicinal type
products that would do that to you. All right,
you ready? Yeah. It's going to hit the ceiling.
Oh, you caught it. Caught it. Nice. Well, there
you go. Ooh. That smells good. Just keep rubbing
it in. You take the first pour. Thanks, man.
It smells good. I like it. Oh, yeah. No, it smells
great. I should probably. Don't mind me over
here sniffing the cork. Cork sniffer. I'm not
going to repeat that SNL skit. I'm going to let
it go. I'm just going to give myself a little
bit until you have. I forget how big these mugs
are. Yeah. They're massive. I just poured what
would be a 16 -ounce can in here, and it's barely
out the bottom. Wow, that's a lot of head, Chris.
It is. Let that kind of settle. It smells really
good, guys. Speaking of where I was going to
go with this, and there's probably about one
person. If you know Fortinet, you'll get the
joke. I'm sitting over here sniffing the cork
like a one -armed sniffer. It's a real thing,
I promise. It's a real thing. Look it up. That
smells so good. This smells like apple juice.
Hold on. I'm getting apple. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Well, they didn't indicate apple. They
said licorice. They did say licorice. That's
not apple. The smell. Is very apple juice. It
is. Yeah. We're about to find out. Dark brown,
red, compact, white, yellow, stable, and lacing
head. Whatever that means. I don't know what
that means. Are you about to be my favorite beer?
Here's what we're going to find out. Cheers.
All right, folks. okay initial like i see what
they're talking about initial flavor palette
is amazing to me um and then the bitterness does
rise but it's not like it's not off -putting
no it's not no no no but i would say like it
is um i mean i've got apple juice stuck in my
head right now but like that almost uh citrusy
yeah kind of fruity um of what you would expect
out of a lighter beer Not a lighter beer, but
a paler beer. Yeah. But it doesn't taste like
dish soap. No, it does not. And I'm not getting
any chocolate. I'm not getting any chocolate.
It's good, though. I do like it. It's really
good. And I don't know that I get the sour. No,
I think maybe I just need to drink more. Hold
on. We need another bottle. Maybe I got a little
sour on the end of that one. But it is like,
I always think the term mouthfeel is oogie. It
is. I see what they're saying. It's not like,
you're not in a hurry to, oh my gosh, you can't
say that out loud. This is a family show, man.
Yeah, no. Yeah, it's pleasant. I'll put it that
way. Yeah, I like it. There's nothing about this
beer that I'm like, oh, that's not good. No,
there is a little bit of bitter that just kind
of lingers for a little bit, but it's not bad.
It's not off -putting at all. I mean, I would
say like this is, if you are the kind of man
who despises being seen with a beer that's not.
Of a darker shade. I resemble that. This would
be a great lawnmower beer. Yeah, yeah, I could
see that for the dark beer drinkers among us.
Like, I don't feel like I would drink that and
be, I don't know. Like I could drink that while
I was running a marathon. If I ever ran. I'd
pay to see that. If I ever ran for any reason,
this would be a good beer to chase that with.
Yes, I like it. I do. If I'm ever attacked by
a bear and I have to run for my life. You want
this. This is the beer that I want to follow
that. Hey, Mr. Beer, I got something for you.
Yeah. That's really nice. I've never heard of
this. It was just a random find at a world market.
Okay. You never know what you're going to get.
You really don't. And like this brewery that
I can't pronounce, that tells you something about
it. I'm just going to have to get off their page.
Uh -oh. Because now I found one that I want,
but I know that I've never seen it there. It's
the Delirium Black. It's 11 .5%. It is amber,
as they call it, and oak bourbon barrels for
nine months. They have my attention. Scent is
vanilla, alcohol, and spicy. And then the flavor
is caramel, bourbon, vanilla, and a hint of almond
aftertaste. Tones of wood, smoothly bitter. It's
always funny to me whenever they're like, tones
of wood. I don't know that wood is like the thing
that I'm like, man, I really want to be chewing
on a piece of pine here. Yes. But the bourbon
barrel, they have my attention. And I'm a sucker
for that. So you were saying delirium red. Which
one is the, oh, black. Delirium black. Yes. And
it's a similar color. It really is. That's interesting.
Amber, but it's in bourbon barrels for nine months.
Yeah, we like the bourbon barrels. And I would.
Well, what is this? That does look like a champagne
bottle. Before I say anything. Delirium Christmas.
That's what I'm looking at. I'm trying to determine
what I like. Like it or not. I don't know. Fruits
and spices. They're really into this lacing foam
thing. They are. I don't really know what to
do with that. The spices probably are like. Whatever
you call it. There's probably some flashback
to Spices with that Thanksgiving show. Yeah,
that was rough. That was pretty bad. I would
be willing to give this one a try. Sure. There's
not many beers we're not willing to give a try.
Sure. The question is where can I find these
other beers? That's a good question. I'm not
in Europe. It's looking like you're going to
have to go to Europe. Well, it has an option
for outside of the U .S., but... All right, well,
let's take a trip. Yes, we are taking this show
on the road, folks. Why not? Ooh, sour cherries.
Discovery gift pack, and it comes with their
own special glass. Ooh. 23 bucks. Guys, stop.
The only thing I don't like about wearing Pearl
Snap shirts, my beard keeps getting... Destroyed
Biden. So in that one you get delirium tremens,
whatever that is. That's their blonde. Delirium
nocturum, which is what we have in tonight. Delirium
red. And you get the delirium argentum. They've
been making beer since 1654. Yes, they've been
around a long time. And it's family owned. That's
pretty great. Here we go. Delirium Black. $27
for the bottle. Will you just ship it to me?
They've got one called Paranoia. It's outside
of the Delirium family. And instead of a pink
elephant, it's a... It looks like a polka dotted
hippo. Yeah. Maybe a whatever that thing is that
everybody is in love with now. The little rodent.
I don't know. What did you say it was called
again? Paranoia. Although I guess you're probably
on the actual. Yeah. Yeah, however you pronounce
that. Nope, it's a hippo. A tasty family tradition.
I'm reading German right now, so I don't know
what I'm reading. I'm not seeing the one you
were talking about. Are you at the... Hugo. Bro.
Bro. Rich. Brassery. Heige. That one. Amno. Or
Anno. If you go down to the Onze beer and. Our
beers. On the. You got to scroll. Okay. And what
was it called again? Paranoia. There it is. Paranoia.
They have one called La Guillotine. Yeah. Very
French. Yeah. There's also one that's like, it
looks like a cherry drink. Oh, the fruity? Yeah.
Yeah. Some of these are getting a little too
light in the britches for me. Well, it's European.
So, you know. You know what those Europeans are.
Not all of Europe. They're not Baltic, then they're
probably not drinking them. Yeah, I guess. Darker
beer. That one is very fruity. The Floris? Man,
I wish these guys were a sponsor. We're sure
giving them a lot of air time. We sure are. We're
going about this the wrong way. They're not listening.
No, they don't even know we exist. Hoping for
a German podcast to pick them up. But it is a
tasty beer. I highly recommend. Yeah, I don't
know that we're... Yeah. It may not be my favorite,
but it's really good. It is. Last night, kind
of shifting the gears on the alcohol, Garrett
and I had our first sake. Okay. Never had it
before. Didn't know what to expect. It was a
Ginjo. Okay. I don't remember the brand, but
again, World Market. I'm still confused on if
I like it or not. Rice wine? Basically. You take
a drink. Did you drink it hot? No, I had it cold.
Okay, sake's supposed to be hot. This said chilled.
Interesting. So we chilled it. Okay. We have
two more bottles, so we could try one. Well,
I mean, if it says chilled, then it should be
chilled. The lady who gave me the sake that I
drank, it was hot. It was like tea temperature.
There are some that do specifically say it needs
to be room temperature at least. I mean, this
was hot. Oh, I don't know about if I could do
it hot. Mouthfeel, if you use your favorite term,
it was like thick water is almost how I would
describe it. The way that it felt. It tasted
and drank like vodka, but the smoothest vodka
you could ever imagine in your life. It is very
smooth. I don't know that I got the vodka feel.
That's the one that I drink. That's what it,
that's just kind of what it reminded me of. It's
kind of vodka. Like opening up at the back. Like
you're. Yes. Yes. But you don't get that heavy
alcohol. But again, there's a difference between
the alcoholic content of vodka and a 14%. In
vodka, usually, um, potato. I think so. Yes.
Yeah. Sake is, uh, rice. Yes. Um, and it's, uh,
I was surprised at how much I liked it. I would
be willing to try it again. I'd like to try something,
a different one, because I know there's like
three or four variations to sake. So I would
be willing to try it again. I don't think I could
do like truly like warm, warm. Yeah, it was.
That would be a little disturbing. Looking on
here, it's like gently heated to 104 to 130.
So maybe not as hot as. I don't actually know
what tea is. I don't drink tea. But it's pretty
hot. And I would say like I did not expect to
like it. Okay. But I was eating gyoza and sushi
with it. Okay. And so it wasn't like those things
weren't. I mean the gyoza I guess was warm. But
like the sushi is not like it's cool. And so
something about the differentiation between those
two things didn't mess with me. I don't usually
drink hot drinks. I don't drink tea. I don't
drink hot coffee. I don't like none of that.
Beer, Dr. Pepper. Even if I'm drinking scotch,
it's usually got an ice cube in it. It's just
the way that I'm wired. Give me the search results,
people. off -putting than I was expecting it
to be. And I didn't really ever trust after that
because this lady knew what she was doing. That's
all I'm going to say. I didn't really trust anybody
else to prepare that. I'm on their site, but
I don't see the specific bottle that I got. Yeah,
I would be willing to try it again. Like there's
a Nagori. There is a... There's the Junmai. Junmai
is supposed to be heated or is good to heat.
Honjozo. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I just, this is
not... It's an American speaking Japanese. I'm
really sorry. Yamaha Kimoto. Yeah, okay, I found
it. What we had is the Hakatsuru Draft Sake.
Nice. And again, it was not bad. I'm still uncertain
on my feelings about it, but it wasn't bad. I
like the Delirium much better. I will say that.
Well, sure. Sorry, I was reading about the heating
of it, and it really does need to be around like
104. If it's like hot, hot, then it's like 122.
If you overheat it, then the heat will cause
the alcohol to evaporate, and then it will just
taste like acid. Oh, fun. Yeah, I don't know
that I could do it hot like that or warm. I know
in Germany, warm beer is a thing too, but I'm
just kind of like, I've tried. I just can't.
Yeah. Again, like when I drank sake, it was almost
like a shot glass. Yeah. And you just kind of,
I just kind of sipped on it. I didn't take it.
It's like a shot of hot liquid. That seems like
a bad idea. I don't know my. metric to american
but uh this bottle is 180 milliliters it's a
small imperial it's a small bottle but we split
it it wasn't bad you've seen those things where
it's like um you know it's not as um i feel like
it's worse than that anyway whenever uh you've
got the you're buying a cooler or something like
that, and it tries to tell you how many cans
will fit in it. Yes. Yeti does this thing where
they'll tell you how many cans will fit in, how
many golf balls will fit in. They tell you all
these different things. But it was something
like that. It wasn't Yeti. But it was Americans
will use anything other than the metric system.
Yes. Just saying. Anything to avoid the metric.
Not appropriate. Uh -oh. It was pretty funny,
though. That's a good beer. I like that beer.
Way to go, Chris. I recommend. Well done. You
want what's left in the bottle? That may depend
on the second beer. Okay. Well, would you like
to see the second beer? I mean, sure. Because
there's not a whole lot left in the bottle. Oh,
let me pull this out and then one more drinking
story. Okay. This will be fun. It was a surprise.
I bought what I thought was a steel on a Johnny
Walker green. Ended up being Johnny Walker black
with a green label on it. They were doing some
Squid Game special. Okay. And I don't know anything
about Squid Game. I've heard of it. I know that.
most of the like stuff that they do for that
is like pink but for some reason this had the
pink squid game logo at the top where i didn't
notice it and the rest of the label was green
and i thought it was anyway i just got confused
by it got it home and it's actually i mean you
know it's tiny walker black it's not it's good
bad it's just not what i was expecting sure go
ahead Okay, so we've had one from this company
before. This is Kentucky Bourbon Barrel. Yeah.
But hadn't seen this one before. Okay. And again,
this is a world market find. Yeah. I'm telling
you, if you haven't been to world market, you
gotta go. Evidently. You won't believe what you'll
find. So this is the Coco Porter. Okay. But it
is bourbon barrel aged. There's a horse on that.
Yeah. It's the Kentucky. So we had just their
regular bourbon barrel stout before, and that
was 11%. This is eight. Yeah, this is eight.
This is the porter. But again, it's aged in bourbon
barrels. Lexington Brewing and Distilling Company.
Yes. I'm going to cough again. Okay. So the bonus
drinking story. Go for it. I had got in some
of that beer from Jason and invited my brother
to come try it. Okay. And I was shocked, but
he actually showed up. And so opened it up. He
took one taste of it and he was like. I can't
drink that. It's too dark. Oh, I'm like, dude,
what do you know? And he's like, I can't drink
that. I'm like, well, what do you want? And he
goes, you know, I drink light beer and I'm, well,
no, I shouldn't say light, but the pale beer.
And I'm like, well, actually I probably got something
you might like. And so I brought out the, um,
Chimay white and poured that for him. And he
was like, that looks good. I'm like, give it
a try. And he took a drink of it, and he was
just kind of like, that's good. And I'm like,
yes, it's made by monks. It's blessed by the
holy man. Yes, it is. So I got to explain to
him what that type of beer is. You buy the beer,
you get the good stuff, they get the money, they
get to keep making beer, and they get to help
people. It's a win all around for everybody.
Right, yeah, absolutely. But before the night
was over, he took a picture of the label. Which
to me says he's going to go look for more. That's
right. So yeah, that was interesting that he
came over. Garrett happened to be home. Nice.
So we just kind of sat there and had a beer for
an hour or so. Not too shabby. Just kind of chat.
So there's your bonus beer story. I like it.
All right. Now I'm going to do my palate cleanser
before I go into that other bottle. I mean, it's
a very different taste. that we're about to experience
here. Oh yeah. To go from a Belgian ale to a,
a cocoa porter. What are we even do crazy people
now to see if I brought my bottle opener. Got
it. Got it. Nailed it. If not, we got one in
there. That's true. That's true. Pull that out
again. I have mine stuck to my Traeger in the
backyard. Yeah, I'm starting to think that I
just need to take that home. Okay. But I really
want to keep it up here. Anyway. All right, I'm
going in for number two. I know you're still
finishing. Well, yeah. When you said there was
a little bit in there, I was like, ah, there
was more than you said. That's like a second
beer. Yeah, it's all right. It's going to be
great. Well done. All right. What does it smell
like? Oh. There's some serious cocoa there. Yeah?
Yeah. This is straight chocolate. There's some
serious cocoa there. Wow. Yeah. That's chocolate
milk. I'm liking that. Now it all comes down
to what does it taste? I mean, it tastes like
chocolate milk. Do they have any kind of blur
before I drop that down? Give them their due
before I start chugging. Joe Coco Porter. Lexington
Brewing. Yes, I'm over 21. I guess I've got a
little bit, not a whole lot. Our Kentucky Bourbon
Barrel Coco Porter is brewed with cocoa nibs
at 100 % barrel age. Did you say nibs? Nibs.
Yes, that's what it says. Coco nibs. Okay. Not
the other thing you may have thought you heard.
Nope. It's a B. Not a P. Whatever you say. Yes.
100 % barrel aged, create a rich, full -bodied
porter, layered with bittersweet chocolate, roasted
malt, oak, and vanilla, all rounded out by a
sweet toffee finish. I'll be the judge of that.
Oh, it's a seasonal release. Well, okay. Hope
I don't like it too much. So their tasting notes,
yeah, is roasted malt, sweet toffee, cacao as
they're spelling it here. Cacao. And oak. Cacao.
Cacao. Cacao. Oh, they have a maple barrel stove.
Sorry, fans. We're just kidding. We're children.
Okay. I saw this one, but I couldn't bring myself
to buy it. Okay. Because I'm not a fan of cherry.
No. It's a bourbon barrel tart cherry. Okay.
Wheat. And I'm like, no, I'm just not a big fan
of cherry. And bourbon barrel aged with a wheat
beer is a weird combination. Yes. Now, I would
try the ale. We haven't had the ale. It's a bourbon
barrel ale. And then they have got, I would be
willing to try this, a bourbon barrel toasted
stout. Toasted. Yeah, so... Frosty. This stout
has a midnight black appearance with a cappuccino
-like head. The palate is full -flavored with
notes of toasted oak, coffee, vanilla, caramel,
toasted marshmallow, and roasted malts, creating
a rich yet balanced drinking experience. I'd
be willing to give that one a try. That's weird
to have a cappuccino -like head. That's what
it says. Like thicker? I'm just reading what
they said. Like, it's going to stick to my beard?
Meanwhile, I called you a redhead today to my
boss, and he was like, what? Me a redhead? Yeah.
No. I mean, there's strawberry in there. Where?
Chris. Not anymore. Where's the strawberry? It's
gone now. There was never strawberry in this
hair. Okay. Darker blonde, yeah. Maybe it's because
your face is so red. That's from all the beer.
Sure. So, okay. Well, bottoms up on this Coca
-Cola. Yeah, I'm interested to see what you think
because I'm still drinking my other beer. Please
stop making that face. Well, you know, just trying
to. Mouth feel it. Okay, I'm getting the vanilla.
If I could get an image for mouth feel. Cocoa.
That's what that was. Well, I was literally swishing.
You were feeling it with your mouth. I was literally
swishing it in my mouth. Okay. I know, like people
do with wine. Yeah. The vanilla is really, is
there. The cocoa is there. Mm -hmm. A hint of
bitter, nothing too bad. I'm not catching any
bourbon just yet, but it's not bad. It's not
bad. Mm -hmm. The good news is I've got two more
of these at home. To really feel it out? Yeah,
to really feel it out and go, yeah, I think I
like that beer after all. I think you'll like
this one. I think you will. Let me get through
this real quick. Not that I'm trying to rush
you through the delirium. I mean, I don't want
you to become delirious. Last thing we need is
both of us to be delirious on the show. But I
would say this is probably one of our longest
beer segments we've ever had. We say that a lot.
Well, no, because most of this is 35. Yeah. But
most of the time, you know, like we'll drink
a beer. That's good. That's good. All right.
We want to talk about that. Yeah. Where this
is just like, no, there's been a lot of extended
beer talk here. All right. Well, I'll throw out
a subject for you. Okay. See how you feel about
it. So we had a, it was just, it was just another
spoofing. But it came to. It's like it's so we
get a lot of different types of fraud email.
Send me the gift cards. Yeah. Things like that
to all of our staff and some people that aren't
on staff. But they obviously they're using web
crawlers. Yes. To get these email addresses and
see that they're connected to each other. try
to communicate between people that aren't communicating.
I get it. Like not that sophisticated. It's funny
when people mess up and respond to me, but this
is one of the things with when you're in it is
you've got to help people to kind of pull their
head out of the sand and figure out that like,
Oh, the world is not quite as, um, as you are
thinking that it is. You need to at least be
running through some filters in your brain of
does this feel right? Does this seem like what
this person, are they talking like the person
who I'm expecting to be talking to? Correct.
And just things like that that I feel like most
of us are doing anyway. Sometimes you've got
people on your staff that are not at all thinking
through that. Fair. If you're in an actual IT
security prevention, like fraud prevention, whatever,
that's your job. Kudos to you. We're talking
about the very lowest bar on this. There's no
real. It feels like for a lot of what we're going
to be up against here where I'm talking about.
But we did get a spoofing email the other day
that was a little more sophisticated. And it's
amazing because they always send the just this
much harder to spot to our business administrator.
Okay. You put business administrator. especially
on a church website, it's like, I feel like it's
got to be catnip to these people because they're
like, it's a church, it's a soft target. They've
got the money. And these are the people that
are going to have access to money situations.
So we get a lot of, we had to change a policy
because of this where we're not actually allowed
to. change things on our direct deposit or anything
like that that has to do with where our checks
are being sent. We're not allowed to do that
online. That has to be a physical contact moment
because we had one that looked real real. This
latest one was sending an invoice and the person
that they um spoofed the email that they spoofed
um they actually like they got it not got it
they they engineered it to send so the the from
is the actual email it's not like his name and
then or their name and the um you know if you
actually look at it there's a different email
there which is what all the ones for the gift
cards are This was actually that email, but there
was a reply to that was the giveaway for me.
I'm like, oh, there's a reply to, and that reply
to is not. Yeah. Yeah, these don't go together.
These don't go together. So catching it was actually
not that big of a deal because, again, we have.
They have policies in place that meant that as
soon as our business administrator got the email,
then she sent it to the person who was supposed
to sign for that type of expenditure. And he
was like, no, we haven't spent this. We don't
know this vendor. We haven't spent this money.
This isn't real. And I don't know if they sent
it to me then or before then. But, you know,
trying to explain to our staff like this. That
an email, like explaining that an email can appear
to come from someone. But if you look at the
email address, it's not actually from them. That's
pretty easy to do. But explaining like, hey,
it looks like it came from this email and only
the reply to is different, that's a little bit
harder to explain to everybody in a way that
doesn't make them freak out about, you know,
they've got my password and stuff like that.
It's not actually necessary to get your password
in order to make that look like it's the right
thing. I'm never going to tell anybody on our
staff, like, don't change your password. I'll
be like, no, change your password because I know
you're using, a bad password. Yeah. So get one
password, change your password. Like, I don't,
I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't, that's
not a thing, but it was interesting because this
person, um, who's very well intentioned and,
um, I would spend however many hours of my work
day week. Um, trying to help them feel more secure.
They were concerned because they had opened the
attachment. So that sent me on a deep dive to
be able to look through like, okay, like if somebody
sends an attachment and you're, how do I make
sure that this person feels okay? Yeah. Well,
you said the AI buzzword, you said deep dive.
Yep. You got to get away from the AI. It's sinking
into you. That absolutely is not what happened.
Yeah, that's tough. I mean, the first question
is, were you in an existing communication with
this person and they send an attachment? If this
came out of the blue, were you expecting it?
And if you weren't expecting it, my first recommendation
is to go to that individual and say, did you
send this? Yeah, we'd be replying to every email
that's sent to us if we asked for... The number
of times that it's like somebody sending me an
attachment is absurd. See, that's going to be
tough because... It's not all... Like, I need
a solution that is starting to look for this
without me having to have super spidey sense.
Now, I will say this person's spidey sense was
right on. They handled it very well. Okay. But
they did look at the attachment. I mean, there
are certain attachments that you would say, hey,
if it's this, just don't do it. Yeah. If it's
an EXE, just don't. Yeah. PDF. Yeah. In PDF,
you got to be careful because there's still some
stuff that can happen there. Right. That's why
I started running through. And I feel like we've
got spam detection turned up pretty high. Yeah.
And I'm concerned if we turned it up any higher,
we would start to impact legitimate email. Sure.
The fact that you're getting that kind of a volume,
though, is tough. We did get... Blocked by one
of our members' emails because of our DMARC,
which I thought was funny. You got blocked because
you have a DMARC? Because we're, I don't know,
because we're asking for, what do you call it?
Because you're asking for things to be safe and
secure, we're not going to talk to you? Yeah.
Wow. Yeah, I was like, I don't know that. Why
don't you call? Because I got asked about this
one. I was like, it says that I'm blocked. This
email tried to go through and it couldn't because
of, let me see if I can even find it. But it
was basically, it had DMARC on it. And I was
like, uh. Yeah, DMARC is a good thing. Never
seen that before, but also this person's email
address was not like a... It wasn't Gmail. It
wasn't Hotmail. AOL? It wasn't AOL. Proton? I'm
saying none of the things that you're going to
say right now. It was weird. Outlook? None of
the things that you're going to say right now.
Okay. Let me find this thing real quick. Is it
a self -hosted? Maybe. It's a government. Anyway.
You know the government is. Yeah, they're terrible.
Don't get me started on that. But there are some
good people that work for the government. Not
very many left. I'm just saying. I've got some
friends that are running for offices and they're
good people. Yeah, I mean, honestly, if you've
got that much of a volume, that's going to be
tough. The only thing that you can do to try
to help Google is to market as spam. And then
if you're willing to take the time to find the
domains that those replies are to, you can expressly
block that domain in the future. But again, it
comes down to how much. legwork do you want to
do? Trying to educate your people on what attachment
is safe and what attachment is not. There's only
so many times where you can say, if you see this
file type, don't do it. A PDF is a legitimate
file type. It doesn't mean it can't be weaponized.
It certainly could be. Especially if you open
it up and then there's a A link to click on inside
of the PDF that redirects you. I'm surprised
that we don't have more of that. But maybe there's
just the nature of the difference between a church
versus a camp and what you get. Here's an episode
of text instead of an email. The response from
the remote server was 554575, permanent error
evaluating DMARC policy. Maybe they don't like
the way that it's set up or configured. I don't
know why that would be the case. It's not set
up in a weird way. No. But altogether, I was
just like, I'm not worried about this email address
that this person sent this from. That is their
email address. We're not going into any of that
type of thing. Anyway. That was an interesting
thing. So I'm actually having a conversation
tomorrow with somebody from Sublime. You ever
mess with them? No. Next Gen Email Security.
I know the band. Yeah, Sublime, the band, awesome.
So they're like a bolt -on to Gmail? I think
they're a bolt -on. I don't really know. They're
defense tailored for you, so you know there's
going to be some AI stuff involved with that.
Yeah. But the idea is to work alongside, I think,
your email. To be able to detect. It has an agentic
defense. Agentic meaning agent, meaning this
is what we call AI now. Basically. Agentic email
security where AI works for you, not around you.
Yeah. I don't know what that means. I'm trying
to understand their model. Is it? You're directing
your email into them. They scan it and then they
deliver it to Google. So that's why I'm wanting
to talk to a human. Yeah. Because I don't fully
understand it. Man, I am coughing all over the
place. Come here, chocolate milk. Yeah, you're
going to want the lay opener. Trying to see if
they explain how it all works. I mean, I can
smell the chocolate as soon as I open it. Oh,
yeah, as soon as you crack it open, yeah, it's
like boom, right in the face. Oh, that is. Very
chocolatey. It is, and you get that vanilla.
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, the vanilla is kind of the
aftertaste, which is funny because there's so
much chocolate. This is not a beer. It's a porter.
They're going to be a little more chocolatey.
This is not a little more chocolatey, Chris.
It's Swiss Miss, baby. It really is. I don't
even know what to say. This is dangerous. You
know how people talk about Long Island iced teas?
Yes. This is a very dangerous drink because it
doesn't taste like alcohol. This is a very dangerous
drink. This is a very dangerous beer. Yes, it
can be. So it looks like this directly integrates
into your Gmail. Yeah. And then once it has access,
then it actively scans your email box for potential
problems. So it looks like it is a direct integration
into, it's not a redirect your email to us and
then we'll deliver it off to Google. Because
one of the things that brought me to them was
when I was searching for attachment inspection.
Inspection? Evaluation? I can't remember the
word that I used. But it was basically like,
listen. I can tell people all day long, don't
click on the link. Sure. The attachment thing
is messing with me. Because I'm like, I don't
actually trust them to not see the EXE. Don't
open an attachment because there are legitimate
attachments. I mean, there's too many. But, like,
I mean, there are certain file types that I can
be like, listen, that is not what you think it
is, and you are never going to get that through
an email. Yeah. Are you kidding me? But PDFs,
we get those all the time. All the time, yes.
I mean, the good news is if one of your folks
tried to click on an EXE, it's not doing anything
because they use a Mac. That's right. So you
do at least have that in your favor. I don't
want to stomp on your PC party over there. Well,
I find this intriguing. Good, because I find
it really disheartening. Well, I mean, I'm sorry,
the sublime product is what I find intriguing.
I think there's smoke and mirrors in the terms
that they're using. Obviously. I just have such
a hard time with what people try to call AI,
and it's like, no, it's not. It's machine learning.
You've got to understand what they're... It's
machine learning and neural networks, and AI
is the buzz term, so everything becomes AI. I'm
just trying to figure out what to correlate that
to in terms of when you see this on a website,
you know that that's not what they're talking
about. They're talking about this. Well, I mean,
for me, by default, anytime somebody says AI,
that's already a huge red flag of, like, you're
lying to me. What are you really doing? Well,
okay, so from an AV standpoint, when somebody
says HD. Okay. That means different things. 720?
1080? So it got to the point where they would
just say HD and there wasn't anything else. Now
they do HD, they do full HD, and then they do
whatever the new hotness is. 4K, 8K. Everything's
4K. And don't forget your 1080i. Man, the first
time I saw a 1080i on something, like the eye,
not even 1080i, I feel like it was probably something
else other than 1080, but the eye on the end,
I was like, what the heck is that? Yes. And then
I had to have a friend talk to me about interlacing.
Yep. And I was like, oh, well. Interlace versus
progressive scan. Worse. Okay. Yes. I don't know
why we just didn't say worse. 1080 light. 1080
light? Yes. 1080 almost. Almost, yes. Yeah. Yes.
But it's that same thing. I shouldn't say same
thing, but there are things like that that I
feel like we know. know like I'm trying to think
of like the the marketing things that have that
have come across that have always been about
using the right term as opposed to sorry using
the term that people associate with a benefit
as opposed to using the term the way that it's
meant to be sure use but like HD was kind of
one of those things for me where I was like what
are you talking about which Which HD? Which version,
which flavor? Because there's a bunch of HDs.
Yeah. And then you get the like, oh, no, you're
not even like, but like not 60 hertz. You're
one of those 59 point whatever people. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I'll be curious to see what you hear
from these folks. It's intriguing. I'm sure there
are certain things. Again, it's going to have
to evaluate the attachment. So essentially, they're
going to have to read the attachment. And based
off the content of the attachment, or if they...
Well, I shouldn't say that. They could potentially
look at the... Oh, now I'm going to draw a blank.
basically i need somebody to sandbox an attachment
and open it for me before because i'm not like
i can't expect everybody to do that correct um
man that's uh check not not check some maybe
it is check some checkmate i think the word you're
looking for is checkmate no it has to do with
it's a unique identifier for a file so like when
you're doing D -duplication. Oh, okay. They have
the same. I don't think, I think checksum is
the wrong word. I feel like there's another term,
but like they could look at a file and go, yes,
that is the exact match of a known bad file.
So I know they're the same thing. You can't have
that. I'm yanking that out. Man, I'm drawing
a total blank. That's what I get for drinking.
This is what happens. Beer is bad for you. Beer
is bad for the brain. Why are we even doing this?
It gives us an excuse to hang out and drink beer.
That's true. And to experiment with new beers.
Both of these were good ones in very separate
worlds. I'm not sure you should drink these at
the same time. But that's what the water was
for. There you go. Yeah, so anyways, I'm sure
people out there will know what I'm forgetting,
but bottom line, you can look at that file, see
that unique signature, and go, that is a known
match for a bad file. You're gone. But again,
that's not AI. That's a whole other thing. Machine
learning. And then they can... In a sense, sandbox
the attachment, open it, see what's there, and
literally read that attachment and be able to
discern, is there a potential risk here? And
then go, yeah, okay, you're out. So, I mean,
there's some intriguing things there, but really
at the end of the day, it's going to come down
to how much of your money do they want? That's
a very big part of this conversation. If it's
a tool that I can use for things that are sent
and then I can just say like, hey, if you're
nervous about something, send it to me and then
I can do it. I don't mind that. If this is something
that I have to pay for every single user, that's
a problem. I suspect it will be per user. Yeah,
I agree. But at some point they got to understand
some of these tools are not a per user thing.
No, you're going to have to really lean into.
Nonprofit discount. What do you got? Yeah. I
mean, I always say that. And then they're like,
yeah, but are you are kind of nonprofit or are
you a different kind of nonprofit? That's true.
And we're usually a different kind of nonprofit.
Yes. These churches, man. How dare you not agree
with the rainbow cult? I'm sorry. Therefore,
you do not match the definition for nonprofit.
I really am trying as hard as I can to like.
do this the right way sure and navigate all this
but it is not easy and people who say that it
is are not telling the truth no no no no no it's
not um i have a fun email one since we're talking
email yeah um i'll hopefully know more from google
support um we're running into an issue of absolutely
legitimate email is being labeled as blatant
spam So you don't even, you know, bypass the
spam folder, nothing. You don't even know that
it was ever sent to you because it's just like,
no, blatant boom, you're out of here. And people
are going, hey, they said I'm a part of this
email chain and they got it, but I didn't get
it. And then you go into Google and you do the
email log search. And sure enough, you find it.
And if you're not paying attention to the extra
little information button, it says delivered.
And you're like, oh, Google says it was delivered.
And then you click the post delivery information.
And then that's when you see that it was placed
into deleted and that it was, how did they say
it? Quarantined by admin. But if you go to your
spam folder, it doesn't exist. Well, there was
no admin involved with this conversation. Well,
Google was the admin and they made the decision.
Oh. So I've had to find. Was this Google's AI?
I'm sure it was. I'm sure it's Gemini. Listen,
Gemini. Stop blocking my stuff, man. You're drunk.
Go home. Yeah, you're drunk. Go home. So I've
been collecting all my information, getting that
off to them to go. Tell me what's going on here
and how do I fix it? Man, this chocolate milk
is good. It is. This is not a great idea for
ending the show. We should have. I have two more
waiting at home. They say, come drink me. I am
your friend. I mean, it is like. I was never.
I'm not old enough to do the like. Careful. Chocolate
milk seltzer. Chocolate milk seltzer. You mean
like a chocolate Coke? Yeah. Like a, not a Coke.
Okay. But like they, they used to do like, um,
chocolate seltzer, like, um, like a vanilla.
Um, Oh my gosh. What are those things called?
I'm saying seltzer because it's like the seltzer
water is what they used to call anything with
carbonation in it. Okay. Right? Am I making that
up? No. But it was like that. Like a carbonated
Yahoo? Yeah, like a... Gosh, what is the word
that I'm looking for? Anyway. How about a carbonated
beverage? That's what this is like. It's not
good for... I would... I would liken this to
the first time I ever had a Zima. Yeah, where
you're like, oh, no. It's like, that's pretty
good. This lemonade has a... And then you're
like, wow, give me another. Bro. And then it's
like, oh, yeah, there was alcohol in that. I
should slow down. Have you gone to Jimmy John's
lately? I have not. So every once in a while,
Jimmy John's has like a chip flavor that's like,
where did that come from? Okay. And so because
we... as a church, um, we have a meal, like a
big meal. Um, everyone say that we, we try to
get people to, um, come and eat together and
then go to their Bible studies together. And
so Jimmy John's is one of the places we've gotten
food from in order to make that happen. Whatever.
Anyway, every once in a while they send like
their, chip flavor that they're like excited
about i don't know it's seasonal like it's they've
got their regular they've got their barbecue
they've got their jalapeno they've got their
uh vinegar salt and vinegar i don't know what
else also else all they have on a regular basis
but they have like they have specialty chips
i don't know how to drink water but i don't drink
beer very difficult but um so we got there like
pickle chips one time and it was it was great
our our people that love pickled flavored things
everybody in crossfit they loved it yeah it was
great um but they sent us um tonight they sent
us these uh chips that I couldn't make out what
they said on the box. And I was like, I don't
know what that is. So just, you know, put it
out with the rest of the chips and let's see
when they opened the box, it was kicking ranch.
Kicking ranch is what they called it. And so,
you know, you get like, obviously this is ranch.
So it's going to have the ranch flavor to it.
Yes. So people that like ranch are going to love
it because everybody likes ranch. It's ranch.
But it said Kicken Ranch, and I was like, that
tells me something. And then as soon as you open
the chips, they don't look like light, which
is what everything ranch -flavored looks like.
If you open ranch Pringles, they are whiter than
normal Pringles. Yes, they are. This was not
the coloring. They were a little bit. And I was
like, oh. So there's some heat. And I'm telling
you, it wasn't a lot of heat. I don't like a
lot of heat. Oh, I do. I'm not a big fan of their
jalapeno chips. Everybody loves these. But it
was jalapeno and ranch. And I'm telling you,
these chips, you need to go find some. Okay.
So Jimmy John's. Before they stop selling these.
The Kickin' Ranch. Find the Kickin' Ranch Jimmy
John's chips. If you like kettle chips, because
all of their chips are the kettle chip variety,
I think. Okay. Lori doesn't like them. I love
them. Okay. So I get their regular chips all
the time. But these Kickin' Ranch ones were like,
again, way too much air time that we've just
spent on something that is not. Well. I thank
you for bringing up food because you reminded
me of something I needed to talk about. In fact,
we need to put something on the schedule for
next Tuesday. Okay. We need to go have lunch.
Yeah. We're going to Fusion. You've probably
heard me talk about Fusion as a Chinese restaurant
on 155 where Purple Pig used to be. Oh, yeah.
Down on, yeah. Yes. So, Luis, the owner. Yeah.
Tuesdays are now Taco Tuesdays. Oh, no. Oh, yes.
Street tacos. Oh, no. Oh, yes. And his wife makes
the Verde sauce. Okay. Oh, it's so good. And
the heat. I'm talking serious heat. Yeah. Not
for someone like my daughter who would be like,
you just feel it wrap around your tongue and
it just sits there and just says. Hello, friend.
I'm here. So, yes, if you have not been to Fusion,
I highly recommend you go to Fusion. I realize
that most of our downloads happen in Europe,
so this is meaningless to you. Yeah, sorry, guys.
But if you're in the Tyler area, you got to go
to Fusion, Highway 155. Southwest Tyler. If you
can't make it on a Tuesday, you're still going
to get tremendous Chinese food. But if you get
there on a Tuesday... It is kind of funny that
it's... Chinese and Mexican fusion. But Luis
and his family are Mexican. I get it. I'm just
saying. So that's just the way these things go.
Is it the same company that bought out the Red
Lobster? No, no, no, no, no, no. They're not
the same people. No, no, no, not the same people.
Because I'm telling you, they're doing the same
thing. Okay, fair. I don't know. But I've heard
some really nasty reviews about that place. I'm
just saying Luis needs to like, Luis has got
it. Get some people making sure that everybody
knows that that's not the same place. Oh, no.
No, it's definitely not. But so, yeah, I can't
speak highly enough of his food. I mean, the
Chinese food alone is off the charts. But now
what he's serving as these tacos is what they
basically make for themselves at home. So it's
really, really good. I'm in. Yeah, so next Tuesday
we need to do that. We need to go have Taco Tuesday
lunch. I love it. Let's do it. I mean, yeah,
I'm totally in. So we get out of staff meeting
at like 12, 15. I can work around your schedule.
Let's do it. It's a date. No doxing or anything,
but that's where we're going to be. No doxing.
So, yeah, if you're listening and you know, show
up. Jason. yes there you go yeah no pressure
but show up you know somebody's leaving from
the same place well you're not in the same place
are you no no that's that's another story for
another day we're not gonna do that right now
um hey man it's been a good show thanks for hanging
out enjoyed it good beers appreciate you yes
see ya see ya What you heard was a masterpiece.