Hey, Chris. Hey, John. How are you? I'm good.
I'm good. We're on this Thanksgiving week. We
are, yes. We made it. So, you know. Yeah. Feeling
a little, yeah, nervous about the holidays, I
guess. Okay. I mean, you know, this is just a
bunch of family stuff, and there's always going
to be family stuff, so you got to get through
those muddy waters as best you can. Yeah, we
actually have my aunt and uncle here from Kentucky.
They're actually on the way right now. They left
this morning. Okay. So they'll be at my folks.
I have my in -laws in town this week. There you
go. My in -laws are out of town. There you go.
They are in South Dakota. That's nice. Yeah.
Michelle's mom decided that retirement wasn't
totally for her. Okay. So she went back to being
a road nurse. Okay. But now she's obviously able
to be very picky at what she does. And so she
found one that was for a few months in South
Dakota. So like at Sturgis? They are an hour
northeast of... Not Stonehenge. That's England.
Nice. Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore. Stonehenge.
Yeah. What have I been drinking already? I don't
know, but we haven't even started yet. By the
way, there's quite a few beers over there. We
have a four -course meal. A four -course meal.
I love it. Well, there's four options. I don't
know if we'll get through them all. But this
is a Thanksgiving. Well, we're going to call
it loose. Loose. It started off, I had this great
idea in my head. This is what you would do for
a traditional roast bird. Okay. This would be
a deep fried bird, you know, on and on and on.
It's like, this is going to be great. And then
you get there and you're like, well, they don't
have that and they don't have that and they don't
have that. Let's see if this will make a valid
substitute. So we'll see how this is going to
go. This is going to be great. So we're going
to start off good though. Okay. Because we've
got. One that I know we both like. Yes. Jeremiah
Red. Yes. The Irish Red. Thank you to Garrett
for having some in the fridge and saved me from
having to pick an amber. Thanks. So this is what
I would say is I think for a traditional roast
bird, and I have a couple of funny stories that
come to mind about a roast bird. Okay. But for
a traditional roast bird, I would say go with
an amber. Okay. Personal preference. Okay. Now,
normally, I'm a dark beer snob, as you know.
Yeah. And if it gets any lighter than this, I
don't want it. Right. But there's... I did watch
you drink some light beers. Not light beers.
Yeah, and it tasted like dish soap, too. Yeah,
they were terrible. So we've got one coming up.
Uh -oh. But yeah, so this is the Jeremiah Red
from BJ's. But real quick, to share the story,
too, real quick. Yeah. This was before we ever
moved to Texas. So this is probably 82, 83, 84,
something in that range. Okay, you know, when
I was born. Yeah, thank you. My dad was cooking
the bird in the oven. And I was in the living
room watching TV because it was early. No one
was around, just the four of us. My brother was
probably still asleep as young as he was. And
he goes in to check the bird. And, of course,
he's just kind of relaxed in his undies. No big
deal. No one else is around. And he opens it
up, grabs the towel, and pulls it out to kind
of check the bird. And he stuffs the towel between
his legs. Oh, no. And he didn't realize that
the towel was in contact with a hot surface.
So it catches fire. Oh. And my mom is standing
there. She can't get the words out. And finally,
about the time that he realized, oh, I have a
problem, she got out, dawn. And he, obviously,
he widened his legs, the towel fell to the ground.
Gave himself some extra warming. Some singeing.
Some singeing, yes. So I'll never forget that
one. Oh, man. And then the other one that comes
to mind, although technically this is Christmas,
I get it, is the bird scene in A Christmas Story.
Yeah. He's trying to get in there, steal some
of it, and she's, get out. And then the dogs
get in. And then the dogs, and then you get that
amazing scene with the duck. Yeah. At the Chinese
restaurant. It's smiling at me. Or at us. Or
whatever. Oh! It's so good. So, all right. So,
yeah. So my, I recommend, now I get, I know everybody
has their own, but for a traditional bird, an
amber. Jeremiah is a good one. Jeremiah Red.
Yeah. It's very echoey in this room. It is. Cheers.
Yeah. Nope. Just as good as I remember it. Yep.
And it's amazing. Like, it is such a, like, you
can't see when you're drinking out of a can.
There's no way to hide it. No. We're eating pretzels,
so it's a five -course meal. Sure. Sure. Why
not? So, amuse -bouche. They're traditional twists.
Oh, nice. We found some. They finally have some.
Some twists. Yeah. Uh, you can't, I mean, even
though you can't see, uh, the, the red in the,
in the can, um, I just, it's, it's a taste thing.
Like it, it definitely has that. I don't know.
I always think apple it's, it's a very strange,
um, Laura used to make fun of me all the time
because I would drink, um, anytime I would drink
wine, the only flavor that I got from wine when
I first started drinking it was butter. Okay.
I was like, I mean, you know, every once in a
while I'd be like, oh, there's some cherry in
there or some, you know, it'd be kind of smoky
or kind of dry. I mean, whatever the thing was,
but it was like the predominant taste that would
come across to me was butter. Butter. I can't
say, not that I've had a lot of wine, but I can't
say I've ever tasted butter in wine. I'm just
saying it was probably something wrong with me.
Also might explain why I like wine. Maybe. Because
I like butter. If you've connected wine to butter,
I mean, that's a win. Doesn't seem like you could
go wrong there. Uh -uh. We're going to be talking
beers this whole time because we're going to
have to get through these. That's a lot of beer.
Challenge accepted. Challenge accepted. Well,
I do want to. So unless you have something else
about the beer, I'd like to kick off the first
topic of discussion. Give it to me. All right.
Here you go, Apple lovers. Oh, no. The Apple
Sock. Okay. So we didn't really talk about what
we're talking about. We didn't talk about on
the show what we're talking about today. It's
a potluck. It is. There's going to be a lot of
different things. But right after the last show?
Yeah. I mean, it was not long after the last
show. I get a text message from... Chris that
has a video on it of this guy. And I honestly,
like there, there was a good while there where
I thought this was like, Oh, this was a video
that was made a while back for like a, uh, Apple
first or Apple first and April 1st, April fool's
joke. Um, there's no way that this, like all
I could think is there's no way this is real.
There's no way this is real. There's no way this
is real. Oh no, it's real. It's real baby. And
they have two sizes. Mm -hmm. So there's, we're
joking, Apple Sock. It's the iPhone Pocket. By,
and I'm going to butcher the name, it's the Miyake.
Yeah, sure. That's what it says. Yeah, I don't
care. Like, what in the world? One of my favorite
things is when you switch to the long. Yeah.
Oh, I'm not going to be able to think of the
character name. Oh. borat i think yeah do you
remember the scene with him in the crazy yes
bathing suit yeah that's what this makes me think
of well yeah i mean that that's exactly what
that should make you think of especially since
like there it's this okay so it's a sock that
they have cut um and i mean there's no other
way to put it um that they've cut and then you
put you're supposed to put your iphone in it
so it's an iphone pocket And they've got a short
one and a long one. Just put your beer in there.
And yeah, I think you'd probably be better served
by putting your beer in there. But like they,
it's what I can't get over in like the advertisements
for this and everything is to make sure that
you can see that there's an iPhone in there.
They don't have it like down in the sock. I mean,
pocket all the way. And so it just looks like
it's, I don't know. That's terrible. You move
fast. It's coming out. Yeah. I, I don't like
it. This is a, this is an awful product. I don't,
I mean, sure. If you want one of these more power
to you, but I, I can't like, I can't look at
you straight. It's taking everything I have to
keep the show family friendly. There's so many
jokes. What the other part of this that I'm just
having the hardest time with is. If you go to
Apple's website and you're looking at this thing,
they're all sold out. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well,
it makes me wonder how many they actually had
available, to be honest. Well, sure. Yeah. No,
this could be a very, very small run. But if
you're like really bummed that you couldn't find
one, if you just go to like Walmart and get some
crew socks. Yep. And then cut those bad boys
right. You got, I mean, this is, you could do
two and just tie two socks together and then
like, you know, carry your wife's for her. I
don't, I don't get it. I don't understand. And
the, like, just the worst, like the, the insult
to injury, like just, I can't believe that this
is real is the short one of these one. costs
$150. Yes, it does. What? Well, the long is $229.
Yeah. For a tube sock. I don't... Well... What?
Maybe you could say the long is more like half
a pantyhose. They cut one leg off. No, I get
what you're saying. I just can't deal with...
What this got us thinking about in general is
just the out -of -touch tech. Number one, we're
going to finagle a sock. What? And then we're
going to charge you $229 for it. Sorry. I envision
a bunch of guys at Apple sitting around getting
drunk. Well, evidently, it's not the guys at
Apple. It's the people at Issey Miyake. Well,
but what I could see is they're having a good
time. Hey, I wonder if we could sell them this.
I wonder if we can sell them that. And the one
guy speaks up and says, hold my beer. I have
an idea. I have an idea. And I guarantee you.
I saw this guy who put a beer in a sock. What
if we did that with the phone? Yes. Yes. And
you start, you know, like do all this and charge
him like 30 bucks. And he's like, no, no, no,
no, no, no. There's this artist over here. Yes.
He's got a name. Nobody knows it, but he's got
a name. Apparently we'll put his name on it.
We'll have him design it. And we're going to
charge them a ton. Yikes. And apparently people
said, yeah, please let me have it. No big deal.
Somehow this is even a better troll by Apple
than the cost of the aluminum stand for their
monitor. I don't know that there's much. But
I will tell you the one that got me before the
aluminum stand was those freaking wheels for
the micro. Oh, yes, the wheels. That was a good
one. I was like, what? What are we doing? Absolutely
not. It's one area where I absolutely love watching
what Apple does. Because I know people are going
to jump all over it, regardless of how crazy
it is. I don't know. I have bought a lot of Apple
products. I cannot bring myself to buy a sock.
Or a $1 ,000 stand. Yep. I mean, this is insane.
So what are some other pieces of gear that you
have, or not gear, but like products, hopefully
from tech people, but could be anything, that
have caused you consternation? Apple products
in general. Okay, I get that. Especially when
it comes to printers. In fact, we have that today.
Not working? Yeah, just issues, I guess, with
the bonder drivers. And it just doesn't. It works,
and then one day it doesn't. Yeah, that's why
I just straight. And then you remove it and you
add it back. You know, IP address those bad boys
in. I don't really mess with the bonder. Yeah.
I know you can share things, but you're not really
good at it. But that's what a lot of people,
I feel like, at Pine Cove, that's what they want.
They want to simply just go, they want to see
it, they want to be able to click on it and go,
thank you. Which we used to be able to do when
we had Active Directory, but we don't have that
anymore, so you have to fall back on the Bunger.
I've been pressing the JumpCloud people, though,
to... basically reproduce the print server because
they're like, hey, you're encouraging all these
people to drop Active Directory. Yeah. And I
don't have a print server anymore. Kind of. Help
a brother out. Yeah. There needs to be a solution
for this. I had some gripes about AI in general.
And I had heard a couple of new ones, but it
looks like since the last show, they've resolved
some of the issues. So it kind of stealing my
thunder here. Listen, guys, you got to at least
wait until after the show to fix it. Yeah, let
me let me talk trash and then you can do it.
So the two that were. What brought to my attention
was it couldn't find a, or it could not generate
an image of a left -handed person writing. Really?
Yes, but I would say Gemini has fixed it. It
just drew a right -handed person and then flipped
the image? Well, you just couldn't do it, period.
It would just give you a right -handed person.
No, that's what I'm saying. That's what they've
figured out now. Well, that may be what they
did. If somebody asked for something left -handed,
just draw it right -handed and then flip it over.
And then flip it. That's possible. And then the
other was that it had trouble with showing you
a clock with hands at anything that wasn't 10
and 2. What? Yeah. Like there's no 3 o 'clock?
Well, just like it didn't know how to put the
hands in other places. Wow. So, but in two weeks
time, they've apparently, or a week and a half
time, they fixed it. So that's kind of, that's
kind of a bummer. That's a fail. Less worried
about them taking over right now. Yeah. If they're
having to fix little things like this, AI is
not taking over anytime soon. It's like, it doesn't
matter what time it is. I'm still taking over.
You will learn that 10 after 10 is all the time.
All the time. You know, or 150. Sure. That works
too. Could be the other way. That's pretty funny.
Good pretzels, man. Good pretzels, good beer.
Just needing the good pretzels. I mean, it is
nice when you find what you're looking for because
it doesn't seem like twisted pretzels should
be that hard to find. No, no, no, no, no, no.
You never know. But I mean, I could go on for
days about complaining about AI. Well, okay.
I'll give you a little breather. We talked about
this a little bit, but I have run into, again,
this idea of AV switches. Because we talked about
how they put in AV switches. They told me that
they didn't want to use the switches that I bought
for the Dante network. And I was like, well,
I don't have... any experience with those i don't
like i don't i don't know much about them i don't
know what i'm like getting into with that i i
know this network and i know like if you've just
got two switches put together and these are evidently
like you know they're av switches so they're
pre -configured they're also evidently they are
a um we did a little research because i ran into
a problem that i was like what why is that happening
but they're like dhcp servers as well but i'm
not sure which one is and i can't get into them
to like see and that was one of the things is
i was like well i'm if something goes wrong i'd
like to you know get in there and and whatever
and the guy was like no it just works i'm like
i don't i don't believe you but There were a
lot of things going on at that moment, so I didn't
really get into it. But we have now had something
that worked and now is not working, and it seems
to be Dante -related. And so I spent a lot of
time trying to figure out all of that stuff last
week. And everything that I tried just... almost
destroyed the entire setup um so like it was
a very strange like this can't be plugged into
that that can't be plugged into this so now i
have i have a vlan set up and on our system and
one of one of these days i'm going to move everything
onto ports with that vlan and get it to where
i can see what's happening and i understand how
the dhcp is being drawn or if we use static ips
which is the way it's set right now like i had
to take off the dhcp because i couldn't i couldn't
see anything sure um there i mean some of some
of the not like there's there's the deal we've
got alan and heath d live mix rack and a surface
and those i can see the ip addresses for i can
see the subnet mask i can see the gateway, like
all of that is, is visible, but I can't see that
on anything else. Some of these other devices
that are plugged into the same network. So I
don't know if they're taking the same, like if
there's any kind of discrepancy there, if they're
trying to get their DHCP from somewhere else
or if they're static or any of that, but they're
not seeing each other. And I can't like convince
a. We had a computer that was recording 64 channels
off of the board. And then we were then able
to play it back through the board and do sound
check. And we're using the Allen and Heath partnered
software for it. Like we're using the Allen and
Heath partnered, not just their MIDI. driver
and all that stuff, but the, the Harrison live
tracks or whatever, that's supposed to work with
Alan and Heath really well and bring it back
in. And we're using the Dante virtual sound card
and the, like it, where it was, it was just,
they would see each other and I could say like,
Hey, you're pulling that from this card, which
is plugged into the computer over ethernet and
all of that. Like all of a sudden it stopped.
sending or receiving anything and then i could
get it to receive eight channels but it wouldn't
uh it wouldn't send anything back and then it
stopped receiving the eight channels and then
um when i tried to uh then send stuff back it
was like it would it could get the midi like
It says that it's connected over MIDI, but it
can't see anything. And the surface is kind of
in the same boat. So it's definitely one of those
like this feels like something. Nobody touched
it. And then all of a sudden it doesn't work.
Well, you never want two DHCP servers on a VLAN
because you could have a. Well, that's what I'm
like. One of them has to be turned off, right?
Yeah. But I don't know if the people did that.
And I don't know like what the IP address is
for either of these machines. Correct. So it's
just like, what? Yeah. I, you are more forgiving
than me. As soon as I had a problem, those switches
would have been ripped out and they'd been in
the trash. Yeah. And I would have, put stuff
on my, on my switches. Well, this was the hard
part is that like, I don't, I, the reason I said
we should stay where we were, um, where we were,
you know, was that I, um, I, I knew how to make
that work and I could have added Dante into that.
and felt comfortable because I knew how everything
was working. I knew what I was expecting to see.
I knew that there was other parts of it, but
you know, you change out everything and then
add a piece that we don't have a lot of, uh,
whatever you call it, um, experience with like
it, it, it just, it made everything really. I
didn't have confidence in what I was saying to
fix and it became not my responsibility anymore
too, which was the other part of this is like
I, now there's a problem and it's not my responsibility
to fix it, but I don't handle that really well.
I don't want it to fail. Correct. I feel responsible
even though I'm not responsible. And so the,
The idea that there was this thing that I set
up for them to use and it was working and now
it doesn't work is like, I mean, that's eating
at the back of my brain every day. Yeah. And
you can't take away your visibility and expect
to be able to effectively troubleshoot. If you're
blind, you, you're not going to fix anything.
No. You've got to have visibility in order to
do just basic troubleshooting. So yeah, as soon
as it would have gone sideways, I would have
ripped the, That so -called AV equipment out.
I would have put it on my equipment that I know
works. And I would have just left it at that.
And that's like we talked about. Again, this
is the nature of a marketing team getting involved
with technology gear. there's this thing that
says oh um no we pre -configured it it's like
hey more power to you if you want to sell something
as pre -configured that's fine but when it gets
like when it gets when it starts getting into
the vernacular of the people who are installing
it that this is the only thing that works then
then i've got questions because it's like no
we're talking about settings right If there's
some sort of capability that this gear has that
that gear doesn't, then I need to know what that
is. I want to know what is this capable of that
that's not capable of because that seems like
something I would be interested in using in regular
network. stuff but if if you're saying that this
is just pre -configured then tell me what the
configuration is like what are the pieces that
you're worried about and sure enough you go on
alan and heath's um dante like sheet or whatever
and you can see like these are the you know these
are things that you need to be worried about
if you've got any kind of um environmental you
know, green network stuff, you probably need
to turn that off. If you, if you've got, you
know, so I think on ubiquity, it's called like
flow. They don't call it environmental. I don't
think they call it green, but like flow control
or something like that. And I was like, no, I
don't want that on this VLAN. I don't want that.
I want, I want it to be as unhindered as possible.
You know, you got to make sure that you're, spanning
tree stuff is if it's on and it's working correctly
inside of the Dante network, you may not want
it on other things, but it's one of the things
that you need to be looking at. I think the green
stuff was called like EEE or something like that.
Yeah, I think that has to do with powering down
ports that aren't. Effectively transmitting.
Yeah. And then you can bring them back later.
And that obviously plays in the spanning tree.
Different spanning trees recover faster than
others. Yeah. And I would assume that there's
something there for jumbo frames in there. Try
to remember what else we, because we did some
of that. There's a lot of potential for, with
Dante networks, there's a lot of potential for
looping. So, you know, I've got it on our Dante
network, making sure that there's no, like that
there's storm protection, that it's not all of
a sudden going to get hit by some manic loop.
And that's where spanning tree can kind of help.
Yeah, that's true. For those. Yeah. So again,
like not, it's not that you want to turn spanning
tree off. You just need to know what it is and
what it's doing. Correct. And then be able to
understand, Oh, if this is turning off and on
a lot or sending and then not sending or whatever
the thing is like, this may be a problem. Yep.
Um, but I mean, there's just, there's a lot of
things like that that it's like, just tell me
what it is. Tell me, tell me because I don't,
I don't like the, oh this magical box will fix
your network like i don't i don't like that no
and that kind of gear is really made for av guys
who just don't know networking and that's fine
it is but you talk to a guy like that and it
sounds like you don't know what you're talking
about or not sounds like you don't know what
you're talking about they they know what they
know is different than what you know. And that
I'm not the kind of person that automatically
assumes, well, that's an idiot. I'm the kind
of person that goes, what did I miss? I feel
like an idiot. Am I, am I doing this right? I
don't, I don't, I don't feel like I'm doing this
right, but you get down into the, I mean, that's,
that's where I will tell you being a problem
solver is One of the most important skills I
feel like any adult can have. Yeah. Being able
to take something complex down to smaller pieces
and understand how those pieces work together
and then be able to say like this part of that
is not working. So that is related to this. Or
that's because of this. Or if I take this part
out and this doesn't work, but if I leave this
part in, it still does. Any of that is like,
it's just, I don't know. It's all the difference
in the world in my mind when it comes to whether
or not somebody is useful. I agree. But that
means that there's a lot of times where you're
sitting there. That doesn't fit into my understanding
of how all of this works together. Anyway, that
ticked me off pretty good. I bet it did. It upset
me too. My AV pro gear. You ready for course
number two? Yeah. Okay, so wasn't 100 % sure
what to pick here. But the consensus online was
the best beer for a deep fried turkey is an IPA.
I couldn't bring myself to do it. How dare you?
I could not bring myself to do it. Listen, that's
just because deep fried turkey is popular right
now and so is IPA. There is nothing about deep
fried turkey that says IPA. What I did... How
dare you? I know. I chose... Oh, a blonde. A
blonde instead. Usually, you can't go wrong if
you like this kind of beer. Yeah. Which I don't.
Brick Street, though, East Texas Brewery here
in Tyler has a Brick Street blonde. And it's,
I mean, it's, again, if you're... mowing your
yard and you want some water yeah you might as
well yeah yeah so but i figured that this would
pair pretty good with a deep fried turkey i always
like i felt i mean it is definitely a deep fried
turkey but i feel like when people say deep fried
turkey what they're thinking that people that
haven't had it is that this turkey has been battered
and fried. Oh, no, no, no. This is not like KFC
turkey. No. Like a deep fried turkey has a real
crisp skin on it, but it locks a lot of that
moisture into it. Yeah. Especially if you've
done your... Injection? Injections well. Yeah.
But I feel like deep frying makes things feel
heavier. So that's why I went with a blonde.
I get that. And I can understand why somebody
who would say that an IPA goes well with it.
I mean, I'm going to make a prediction here.
Okay. I'm going to drink this blonde and say,
what if I just have another Jeremiah red with
the deep fried turkey? You could do that. You
could. You don't have to follow these recommendations.
Yep. Cheers. This is good, though. It's going
to be great. I'm excited about this opportunity
to drink a beer. Taking one for the team. Oh,
my gosh. I can't get around it. That used to
be what I drank, but I just can't. Dish soap.
Dish soap all the way. If they would have had
it, what I actually would have chosen for this,
just for an old, old throwback, is a Natty Light.
Oh, my gosh. But they didn't have it. At least
not individually. Yeah, you were looking at the
normal size cans. They only serve Natty Lights
in like the 40s now. Oh, my gosh. Oh, I cut my
teeth on Natty. It has a special place in my
heart. Always will. Put that thing in a keg.
Cheap beer. Sink it in a trash can full of ice.
It's so good. I mean, if it is really, really
cold, you can't taste it. I mean, you get it
just to the point where it's about to have ice
chips in it. Yeah, there you go. It is so good.
You know what else is good like that? What's
that? Dr. Pepper. Yes. Yes. I have created that
on accident. Okay. Left it in the freezer, forgot
about it. Yeah. And then had that like, oh my
gosh, it's going to explode. I got to get it
now. And it hadn't exploded. And then you let
it sit for a few minutes and you crack it open.
And that Dr. Pepper ice is just good. We used
to do that at my grandmother's house where we'd
put them in the freezer. But you had to set a
timer because it, no. Yeah. You don't want the
water to expand in that can. Not good. You didn't
want to be in charge of cleaning out Grant's
freezer. Not good. Oh, my computer must be installing
updates. Glad it's not anything. Not during the
show, Chris. Well, it's Microsoft. Uh -huh. It
said, hey, you're not using your computer so
I can run updates right now. Mm -hmm. Oh, boy,
is it ever. Wow. Ooh. It wants to install the
big 25H2. Are you going to tell me what that
is? That's the latest release of Windows 11.
Oh. 25 for the year. Mm -hmm. H2 for the second
half of the year, as I call it. Because typically
when they release it in the first half of the
year, it's H1. And when they release it in the
second half of the year, it's H2. That's really...
So 25H2 for our British friends out there. Or
Australian. Or Australian, that's true. Oh, my
gosh. Oh, I got to power through this one. Wow.
That's just, it's a lot of dish soap. Yeah, it
is. In that can. Sorry, East Texas Brewery, not
trying to talk bad about you. No. It's just these
types of beers in general. Let's say something
good about East Texas Brewery. That Nitro. The
Dunkle. Oh, yeah, the Dunkle. The Nitro. No,
it's the. Is it the McGinnis? The McGinnis Nitro.
Oh, it is so good. That thing is good. But they
do have the Dunkle. Yeah, they do. And the Dunkle
is good. Oh, but yeah, the McGinnis Nitro. That's
a different level. Oh, it's so good. Just saying.
That would be a great dessert beer. You got to
maybe not eating while you're drinking this,
but like, man. You might want to eat. You want
to eat before? Yeah, that's true. You would want
to load up a little bit, but don't like, don't
be trying to like eat a hamburger and drink this
beer. I don't think that's going to go well.
I did that. Oh, I can't imagine. That's, that's
a lot of bread. Yeah. Well, I guess that was
the, the night that we went to watch you play
Garrett and I couldn't have a beer yet, but we,
I had, um, Oh, what did I get that night? We
had their mac and cheese. Unbelievable mac and
cheese. So good. We split that. And then I think
we each had a burger. I don't remember which
one. Oh, yeah. And then I had the Nitro McGuinness.
Oh, it was so good. So, so good. That's the last
place that I have left in town to take Garrett
to. We went to True Vine. You were there for
his actual 21st birthday. That was huge to get
to do that. You went to BJ's? Went to BJ's. That's
why we have Jeremiah Red at the house. That was
the one that he drank, and he was like, I think
that's my jam. That's a good one. Now, he wanted
to Tonka, but they don't can it. Okay, well,
I would say, like, Jeremiah Red is a good jam
until you're like, no, I just need the dark beer.
Yes, and then I think I told you, but they got
rid of the PM Porter. They introduced one that's
a little more chocolatey. Really? Yeah, and it
was good. Like they got rid of it? Yeah, the
PM Porter is just not there anymore. That's not
good. Let's see. What is the new one called?
Not the root beer. Yes, the BJ's Sweet Sin Chocolate
Porter. It's good. It's good. It's not too chocolate
forward. There's a little bit of chocolate sweetness
in there. I mean, they call it a chocolate porter,
so how do you mean it's not? But I mean, it's
not like the chocolate is overpowering. Okay.
It's there. Okay. And it's more dark. I know
they say sweet, but it's more dark chocolate.
So there's a little bit of bitterness. A little
bit. You get a little more bitterness out of
the Tatanka, but it's a stout, and that tends
to be more dark chocolatey and roasted coffee.
We probably should have made this the third beer.
I'm just saying. Well, the third and fourth beer
may have been better third beers once you see
it. Uh -oh. Yeah. Third beer is technically a
brown ale. Okay. Technically. I don't know what
that means. You'll find out. Okay. Yikes. I'm
scared. What is he doing to me? Dawn dish soap,
baby. Okay. You can bad mouth Apple all you want
when it comes to just frustrating, whatever.
But Windows did come out with Vista. So there
is no excuse. I tested Vista until I was blue
in the face, and it just worked. It just worked?
It did. Did it work with a human? Yes. Tom McKeon.
No. So 2007, 2008 -ish. I am not calling Tom
McKeon a human. That guy is way too smart to
be a human. That's not what that is. We vetted
that program OS, whatever you want to call it,
like crazy. Uh -huh. Think old sales logics.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's
not a plus. Razor's Edge. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now
I'm talking old software. Office 2000, we tested
on there. That's what we had. So anyways, we
did all that, and it worked. Now, was it a resource
hog? You better believe it. Your four gigs of
RAM didn't stretch. And even when we tried it
on eight gigs, it was like, wow, it even needs
more. And that was back when eight gigs was like
a lot. A lot. So I will admit that Vista was
a resource hog. Now, the problems that other
people reported, we couldn't reproduce it. Now,
granted, we only did it on two computers. But
this is also when I started like, oh, well, I
can't use Internet Explorer anymore. I remember
that. Sure. Like this is not useful. Where's
Firefox? Firefox was like the jam back then.
Yeah, because by then the predecessor was gone.
Netscape Navigator. Oh, Netscape. Bringing back
the old school. Oh, yeah. Netscape Navigator.
Used Netscape Navigator when I had a hotmail.
Oh, there you go. Yeah. Just throwing that out
there. Yeah. Hotmail. I wouldn't be fancy enough
to have a Yahoo account. That was cloud computing
before cloud computing was fancy. True. What
was the other browser? Mosaic. Mosaic. Oh, my
gosh. Mosaic browser. And there was one other.
These are good, good pretzels. Web Design Museum.
That's funny. Yeah, Netscape Navigator, Mosaic,
Exploder, Opera. That was the other one, Opera.
I feel like I saw Opera. Opera's still around.
But I never used it. Yeah, so that was kind of
the big ones then. Exploder. Lynx. Let's see.
Lynx came out right before Mosaic. True. So I
think when I got my first computer running Windows
95, that had to be Exploder 2 .5 or 3 .0. Dang.
Because I got it in the summer of 96, so that
was probably Exploder 3. The nine oldest web
browsers that shaped Internet history. You ready
for this? Go for it. One, Lynx, 1992. Okay. I
don't actually believe that that's number one,
but whatever. Mosaic, 1993. Man. Netscape Navigator,
1994. Opera, 1995. Okay. Internet Explorer, 1995.
Yeah. Netscape Communicator. Oh. 1997. Yeah,
I vaguely remember. It had the N like over the
curvature of the earth. Oh. That's right. That
was six. Number seven, Safari, 2003. Yeah. All
downhill from there. Number eight, Mozilla Firefox,
which you said was after Mosaic. Yeah, that was
02 -ish. I didn't know where that came from.
And then all of a sudden there was a thing called
a Firefox. Yeah. Number nine, Google Chrome.
And I remember Google Chrome being super buggy
when it first came out. Yeah. It's just become...
They were trying to like fight directly against
the Internet Explorer cloud or RAM. Like everything
moves slower on Internet Explorer. Sure. And
then Chrome came out and I was like, well, that's
fast, but sometimes it doesn't work. And now
Chrome has become the very thing that it tried
to compete against. That's right. It is the biggest
hog of RAM. that is existing on my computer yeah
i mean the number of times okay that see that's
because you're not on a mac the biggest okay
i'm not saying that it's not bad it's still bad
but the biggest is messages what the heck like
all of a sudden you're on messages and it's like
uh why are you using you using like all of the
ram wasn't there a version of netscape that had
like the um Like the wheel on a, on a sailboat.
Yeah, I'm sure. Hold on. Yeah. Netscape Navigator
for Windows. But what version is that? Oh, this
is a fun game. Netscape. Netscape Navigator for
95. Whatever was out in 94 had the wheel. Yeah.
The wheel. Wheel. Why am I saying what, which
way? Navigator 3. A wheel. There it is. Yeah,
I see it. Navigator 3. Oh, boy. The sailboat
wheel around it. Yep. Man, that Netscape background
is taking me. I'm having some. PTSD. Oh gosh.
I think that's opening parts of my childhood
that I don't want to remember. Adolescence. I
feel like this beer is washing my mouth out.
That'll teach you to use foul language. Exactly.
That's where I was going. Yet another Christmas
story reference. Oh my gosh. What was the soap?
It came to me. Doesn't he say like what the soap
is? Yeah. It wasn't lava. It was red, but it
wasn't lava. Yeah. It was. Oh, shoot. I'm trying
to find it. Life boy or life buoy. The soap in
the iconic scene is a bar of life. I would call
that buoy. B -U -O -Y. Yeah. That's Bowie. I
don't, I don't think he said it then. Like he
said something, but I can't remember what it
was. Yes. You know, when he's, because that's
one of the best parts of that whole, like the,
the, the, like him narrating what's happening
is so iconic to them. Oh, But I didn't say. And
then he lies and says it was his best friend
that told him. Yeah. And you hear the mom through
the phone. Mom, what did I do? Mom, what did
I do? Yeah, that's right. Oh, my gosh. Classic.
I don't think I ever got falsely accused by a
friend, but I did get ratted on one time by a
friend. That was not fun. That's no good. I deserved
it. It's not like whatever, but it was that like,
oh man. Yeah. Now I got to do this. That's funny.
Yeah. I've talked with my kids about the, not
that you shouldn't tell the truth all the time,
but there are some scenarios. Now, granted, this
is, getting off the Christian path a little bit,
I'm going to preface this up front. Okay. But
sometimes people do things and you really don't
have to rat them out because eventually it's
going to come back anyways. Yeah, that's true.
And so the example that I like to classically
give is the movie Scent of a Woman. Okay. It's
a really good movie. Where they had the incident
happen at the school, and they're trying to get
him to rat out the guys, and he won't rat them
out. No. And not Pesci. But he's not a rat. Yeah,
not Pesci. No, not Pacino. Pacino. Pacino is
going through, you know, he may have done this
to get accommodations, whatever. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. And this boy's not. He's got. character
he's got this he's got his soul's intact yeah
so that is one of like i i mean you know pesci's
not or pesci dadgummit you did it to me pacino's
not uh blind but i did like really love he did
an amazing job with that movie that movie like
him like his acting inside of it yes you know
he's not blind but dadgummit if his eyes aren't
fixed the entire time correct correct great movie
Great movie. Lots of language. Lots of language.
But a good movie. Yeah, the tango scene is pretty
awesome. Give me my bearings here, son. You done
with the... I got through the dish soap. With
the dish soap. Why don't you introduce number
three while I... Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.
Not good. Okay. So number three, I was looking
for a brown ale. I had Newcastle in mind. Oh
my gosh. That would have been perfect. Classic
brown ale. Yeah. No, they didn't even have an
available in a six pack. Individuals. That should
have been a two. If we had Newcastle, that'd
be a two. Well, I take Newcastle at number one.
Well, sure, but I'm just saying. But I'm going
through their order that they have these turkeys
on this list. Oh, no. So next up is smoked turkey.
I love a good smoked turkey. Yeah, smoked turkey
is great. Now, if you can actually run a smoker
using wood logs, more power to you. That is an
amazing talent. Yeah, but we're not here to compete
with people. No, no, no, no. So I have the trigger.
I have the poor man smoker. Set the temperature.
I'm not sure you can say poor man smoker. Well,
we bought it used. In fact, my smoker is from,
oh, what year did that come out? 2012? Wow. I
think. It's a long time ago. It's old. Yeah,
so there's no Wi -Fi, no nothing. My kids. Didn't
even have the temperature probe when I got it.
I mean, it was like way, way, way back there.
It didn't have the little trap door in the back
for the hopper to empty out the pellets. I mean,
we're talking old, old, old, old, old. But it
works great. Yeah. I've done some modifications.
the controller with the kind that has temperature
probes. I've replaced the hopper with the kind
that has the door on the back so you can empty
it out. I've replaced the wheels and done some
simple modifications to it to keep it going.
So that's why I say the poor man's Traeger because
I didn't buy it new as much as I'd love to have
a brand new one. Sure. But my wife got it for
me. We've had it for five years. Continues to
work like a champ. But I do love a smoked turkey,
and I admit there is a difference between a pellet
smoker and a traditional stick smoker. The smoke
flavor is so much more pronounced on a traditional
smoker. You can try gimmicks of burning wood
chunks in with your pellet smoker to try to increase.
It's just never going to be the same. So if you
have a traditional woodstick smoker, more power
to you. Yeah. I would say the people that are
like, oh, I like dry bird. Like this is why I
don't like turkey. You've probably had a poorly
smoked. I would agree. Turkey. I would agree.
Yeah, it probably didn't get brined the way it
should. Yeah, it just wasn't handled well. That's
my wife. She's like, I hate turkey. I'm like,
I don't think you've had good turkey. Well, I
don't hate turkey, but I don't go out of my way
to have it outside of Thanksgiving. I'll basically
eat any meat that you give me. I'm down. Okay.
So, for a smoked turkey, you want a brown ale.
It's a great match. So, what we have is technically,
A brown ale. Dogfish. In a very orange can. Oh,
no. Yeah, it's dogfish head, brown ale with pumpkin.
Oh, no. Why are you doing this to me? Technically,
technically, it's a brown ale. We're in the middle
of the show, and I've got this crazy desire to
go break the seal. While you drink this. It's
called the pumpkin ale. This is going to be horrible.
It's going to be so bad. I don't like pumpkin.
Yeah, you're probably going to have to drink
both of these. Because Chris doesn't quit on
beer. I drink mine. I don't drink other people's.
Okay. All right. I was trying to explain to Lori
how many beers I had at your son's 21st birthday.
Oh. And it was like, it wasn't necessarily because
I've had six beers and been fine. I was like,
it wasn't necessarily the number of beers. It
was that the average alcohol by volume was like
eight. Yeah. Which is almost like two beers.
Yeah. So I was trying to explain that. I got
to smell this first. Hold on. Well, the smell's
not bad. Yes, it is. Don't tell me that. I can
smell the... I'm going to tell you, I don't smell
pumpkin. I smell fruit. Well... There's like
a sweetness. Maybe by pumpkin they mean like
pumpkin pie. I got a little more... What does
it say? Yeah, we haven't been reading blurbs.
A full -bodied brown ale brewed with real pumpkin.
Brown sugar. There you go. Okay, yeah. Allspice.
So I'm guessing this is going to taste a little
bit like potpourri. Nutmeg. Yeah, one man's trash
is another man's potpourri. Nutmeg and cinnamon.
Enjoy smooth pumpkin and fall spices. You are
my friend, and I love you. And I have some different
feelings towards you right now. Hey, I'm drinking
it with you. Golly. Here we go. I can't. I can't.
This is so bad. Here we go. This is like pumpkin
spice beer. Yeah, that's pumpkin spice beer.
Oh, my gosh. It's potpourri. Oh. It's like a
bed, bath, and beyond. In a can. Oh. Bath and
Body Works. Like I'm walking through Bath and
Body Works in the fall. Oh, no. It's in my mouth.
Wow. Wow. Dogfish, I am not a fan of what you
did here with the brown ale. Why would you do
that? Why did you do that? There is something
in that aftertaste. This is going to really mess
with the last one. Not really. I'm going to have
to eat a lot. Oh, really? Oh, no. It's a Tops,
if that helps. I mean, maybe. Have you saved
the IPA for the last one? No, no, no. No IPAs.
Okay. You don't have to worry. I will never bring
an IPA to the show. Okay. Never, ever, ever,
ever, ever. But you brought a pumpkin ale. It's
a brown ale. It's not a brown ale. It's a brown
ale with some kind of spice. There's no pumpkin.
Oh, my gosh. And why does the pumpkin have a
microphone? Well, obviously that jack -o' -lantern
is singing his little heart out. Please drink
me. I don't know. That's weird. It says fall
release 2025, but I really think probably some...
Devil -worshipping communist has infiltrated
dogfish head. Yes. Do I have to? I really want
to pour this down the drain. No one's forcing
you to drink it. Nobody should have to drink
this. We suffer through this so they don't have
to. Oh my gosh. Okay, so if your wife is like,
if she's a beer drinker and she is in love with
the fall and all things fall and the flavors
of fall, maybe, maybe she'll like this beer.
This is probably. She's going to be like, well,
that stuff needs to stay a scent, not a taste.
Not a taste, yes. This is quickly approaching
the level that I would put this near the Russian
stouts. Now I'm going to pour this bag of chip,
or not chips, pretzels into my mouth just to
try to get rid of the taste. Oh, man. I got to
start chugging it so I don't have to actually
drink it anymore. I hope you all appreciate the
torture we put ourselves through. I mean, it's
really bad, guys. Well, let me give you some
good news. Don't drink this when you're eating
turkey. No. Stick to the Newcastle, please. If
there's some sort of turkey that you're like,
man, this had so little flavor that I'm hoping
to have all of the fall flavors instead. This
would be your beer. But like... Okay. So here's
some good news. We don't have to do this again?
No, we don't. So the El Gato people. Okay. Makers
of Stream Deck. Yes. Great product. Big fan.
Highly recommend. Yeah. They came out with a
network adapter. Yes, you told me about this.
Yes, that will work with their products. This
is not something that we're upset about. No,
no, no, no. There's nothing upset about this
one. This is good. We need some good news as
we're drinking this beer. So you feed PoE into
the brick, and then you take type C out into
your stream deck. Okay. So you're basically powering
your stream deck via PoE. And? And it powers
all of them. The regular Stream Deck, the Mini,
the XL. What's the one with the rotary dials?
Oh, what is that one called? Plus. The Plus,
yeah, the Plus with the rotary dial. Okay, what's
the little thing hanging off the side of this?
Ooh. Oh. What does that say? TCP? What is that?
Top. That says top? T -O -P. Oh my gosh. I've
had too many beers. Yeah, you have. So basically
that, what you're seeing only works with the
XL. Okay. With the XL, there's a piece that glues
onto it and then pushes through where the type
C would pass through the back of the... Did you
just hiccup? Just like in a cartoon. Oh, my gosh.
He's drunk. Oh, no. No, not drunk. Anyways, this
would pass through where the Type -C cable would
pass through. Okay. And it kind of locks into
position and will hold the adapter underneath
the actual stream deck in its enclosure. Okay,
I see that. And then you have a little shorty
Type -C that comes out of this, plugs in. It's
shaped that way to go underneath. To go underneath.
So they also ship it with a piece that it clips
into that you could secure it to a wall, under
a desk, however you wanted to do it, and then
run the Type -C out to your Stream Deck. Now
with this, you can still run the same Stream
Deck software, but instead of being tied to a
USB cable, it could be... Two buildings away
on your network, you connect to it via IP, and
now you can control the Stream Deck. Or it could
literally be at the desk with you. I'm trying
to think of why that would be important. So here's
where we're going with it. Okay. We are looking
at how do we simplify AV systems for college
staff? Because increasingly, it's getting harder
and harder and harder to hire. college staff
who have sufficient av background i don't think
that's a new thing like it's it's so hard no
but it's it's way worse now than it's ever been
really every now and then you get an absolute
diamond in the rough and it's like dude you got
to come back for five years um so we're going
how do we simplify this how do i need your next
five summers exactly if not more so what there's
a lot of integrations in the stream deck So it
can integrate into certain sound boards. It can
integrate into other systems. It could even integrate
into another product that we have talked about
with lighting controls. So if you can set up
a stream deck to, if you click this button, it's
going to enact this behavior with your sound
board. Man, macros are awesome. Yes. Or with
lighting. We can work with this. Why does it
have two USB -Cs? I didn't think it had two.
It's got one on the front and one on the back.
Ooh. I didn't notice that before. Well, that's
what I'm here for. Hmm. That's intriguing. Is
that in case you need to give it power? Without
a PoE switch? That would make sense. If you didn't
have PoE, you'd have to have somewhere to drive
power into it. You've got an internet connection
over the Cat5, but if you don't have a PoE switch
and you don't want an injector, you can power
this thing via a Type -C and then connect through
the other. That would make sense. Because there's
sometimes where people don't have PoE or enough
PoE. Enough, yeah. POE is becoming more and more
of a thing. POE is definitely amazing. So where
we're looking at it is if you had these at every
camp, Jason could open up the program, connect
to the IP of the stream deck at a given camp.
He now sees its screen. He can make any adjustments
that he needs to to that stream deck. And it
just works. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. And then he's like,
okay, I need to go to the next camp. Let me switch
to that one. Connect via that IP. Let me make
some changes for you. I mean, because like, say
a certain camp or a couple camps have lighting
control that you want to involve with this. But
there are certain camps that don't. So you don't
like have a... Oh, man. Okay, so I'm going to
throw another curveball into this. Okay. Oh,
shoot. Not if I can't remember it. Blame it on
the beer. It's the pumpkin. Yeah, I'm going to
blame it on the pumpkin. It's the pumpkin. There's
too much spice in my life right now to think
through this. You're so lucky I can't remember
the lyrics to that Spice Girls song right now.
Something about spicing up your life. There you
go, yeah. No, okay, so there's a company called
BitFocus that if you've not looked at, oh my
gosh, you look so miserable. If you've not looked
at BitFocus, Jason. Companion. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we've looked at it. Oh, dadgummit. I thought
I was going to just blow your mind right here,
Jason. Yeah, keep going. If you have not looked
at Bitfocus Companion, you need to look at that
because there's all kinds of just really cool
use cases for this. And, and honestly, like it
was one of those things we have been looking
for companion for a while now without knowing
what to call it. Okay. We've, I mean, I've, I've
been trying to like Google search this like solution
for a while. Okay. But basically Let me just
read this companion elevates the affordable Elgato
stream deck and similar devices into professional
control surfaces for an extensive range of equipment
and applications from presentation. So let me
stop. If you've ever worked with an Elgato stream
deck or something like that, you know that like.
Program -wise, they have a lot of integrations.
There's a lot of things that just commonly work
with them. They started off more simple. They
got into the stream deck world. If you were a
Twitch or whatever guy, it really would. I mean,
I wish everybody could see what I'm seeing right
now. Chris is in pain trying to finish this beer.
I'm close. like the stream deck guys, like the,
the, sorry, the stream deck guys, the Twitch
guys, the, the streamers, the, everybody who's
YouTubers, like they were, they would use these
and there were a lot of integrations that kind
of came from that, but. Yep. OBS. OBS. Yep. Huge.
Yep. But there were a lot of things that. more
professional installations are like well this
isn't really like that's more for those guys
this isn't integrating the way that you know
there's ways to get around it or whatever enter
companion and companion did what all of us were
kind of hoping would happen at some point and
that is to say uh there's more things that this
can connect with yeah um there's there's a much
easier way for us to create these. I mean, you
know, like when you're, when they push a, when
you push a button and use a macro on a stream
deck, like to create a different show set up.
Yeah. Like that's, that's pretty cool. But when
you can do that in a live arena, like not arena,
but like a live environment and live environment,
that's a different level. Oh, yeah. And so Companion
kind of brings all those things together. And
so that's what it means by presentation switchers
and broadcast equipment to video playback software
and home automation systems. So you could have
this. One of the cool things is if you look at
this website for this, they've got these different,
like you can look at the way that they do. It's
not installed AV spaces. Where's the... I'm looking
for a certain page. Hold on. They don't have
a Black Friday. They have a Black Week. Black
Week. 50 % discount. I'm going to find it. I'm
going to find it. But basically like... They've
got a way for you to install these things in
the wall where you don't have switches anymore.
You have buttons. And if you can connect it to
a Raspberry Pi, there are just a lot of things
that you can do that don't require you to do
half of what like setup work you normally have
to do. installed av spaces i think i already
looked at that one touch room setup with a single
button power on displays lower blinds adjust
lights and route audio to instantly prepare the
room yeah so like in rooms like pine cove or
that pine cove has like as a camp that is burned
out by a bunch of different people in rooms at
a church if you've got not only your sunday morning
stuff but you've got stuff throughout the week
that looks different It's possible for you to
put all that on one button. Yes, it is. And it
starts all of it. Everything from the blinds
are shut, the lights are on, the stage lights
are on, the music is playing, the speakers are
on. All of that. There's some work that has to
happen on the backside. You've got to make sure
that you've got gear that is going to... talk
to this companion app and stuff, but their list
of compatible devices is huge. Yes, it is. So
I'm just saying look it up. It's a good product.
Sorry, I didn't mean to steal your thunder. No,
you're good. You're good. What are you all doing
with this? So we are still in the experimental
phase. Cause we just got the one adapter. We
have it working with the XL that we have at the
office just so that Jason can experience. Yeah.
Yeah. He's feeling the pain people. It's the
pain. Oh, why did you do that? And you, and you
want to do a video show, don't you? I mean, I
feel like everybody would better understand what's
happening right now if we were on video. I would
know because the memes that would come from the
faces that we would make. I don't want to become
a meme. Oof. I may have pre -ordered a Video
S. Oh, I'm close. Yeah, I did. Now, the one thing
that they can't do. and we're shifting gears
really quick here, is they don't appear to have
the ability to use the, man, my brain is shutting
down tonight. It has nothing to do with beer.
Too much pumpkin. Too much pumpkin. It's not
the beer. It's the spice. No, it's the pumpkin,
the spice. Whatever that is, that is the mind
killer right there. Forget fear. It's pumpkin
ale. Fear is the mind killer, yes. Good Dune
reference. Thank you. The feature where we can
call each other. On this? On the RODECasters.
Yeah. Call me. Call me. Thank you. Yes, call
me. It does not appear that they support call
me on the video. Interesting. Which is a bit
of a bummer because the S basically has the Duo
built in, which is what you own. Yeah. And it's
like, how can you not have the call me option?
Because they want you to buy the Duo. And then
connect it to the video. Exactly, yes. They want
you to buy the Rodecaster and hook it up to the
video. Yes, exactly. Which, honestly. Which to
me says they're never going to bring Call Me
to the videocaster. No, I think they will. I
think they'll give it a year or two. Maybe. Maybe
an iteration. Maybe. Maybe Video S2 will have
it. Well, the Video S2 I would like to think
is a ways off. I mean, I hope so because the
video S just came out, but I do think that at
some point it's coming. I just don't think that
it's going to be the time that we're all hoping
for. Made it. I'm going to finish this. Chuck,
Chuck, Chuck. Oh, he made it. Oh, guys, it's
so bad. Don't drink that. Don't do it to yourself.
That was horrible. Why would anybody taste that
and go, this is absolutely amazing? I mean, it's
got to be somebody who just cannot get enough
potpourri in their life. I guess. It really is.
It's potpourri. If you've ever smelled potpourri
and thought, I really want to chew on that, this
is for you. Okay. So you ready for the dessert
course? I just am nervous. I'll get out. It's
Tupps. They make good beer. Yeah, but... But
not all beers are equal. I don't know. Okay,
so... We're gonna call this the dessert pairing.
It's not quite what I wanted, but we're gonna
go with it. We're gonna power through. Okay,
it is called Full Grown Jack. Okay. Not Full
Grown Man, which is a great beer. But this is
Full Man Jack. Full grown Jack is. It is an imperial
stout. Okay. It is an imperial stout. With pumpkin
spices. Oh my gosh. Why'd you do that? You can
talk for a little bit. We should have. I'm going
to go pee for. Now that I'm looking at the cam,
we should have led with this. Oh my gosh. It's
12 .1%. Oh no. Okay. Pause. okay yeah i definitely
overestimated the amount of and we're back liquid
i could um not realizing that this was a 12 .1
oh my gosh i'm perfectly fine if you choose not
to drink it well i gotta taste it at least so
oh with pumpkin spices there's no and there's
no blurb no it's just terrible i'm sure but it
does say Ages well. Yeah, I don't understand
that. Please recycle. Yeah, I don't know what
that means. That's terrifying. There's a government
warning. Government warning. Danger, you have
picked up a pumpkin spice beer. So this one thing
on the can says traditionally untraditional.
Oh, this is going to be so bad. All right, well.
All right. Oh, my gosh. Are you okay? You ever
done this before? Yeah, here we go. I'm going
to smell it. Okay, it's refreshingly not as aromatic.
It doesn't smell like dogfish. I don't know what
I'm about to taste because it doesn't smell.
Bottoms up to you. Here we go, folks. Hold on.
I just need a second. I've still got dogfish.
Give me a pretzel. Yeah, there you go. We need
some really good palate cleansers. What's that
stuff you're supposed to... Water? Okay, not
water. That's not what I was thinking. There's
like a... An ice cream or something you're supposed
to. Oh. Fancy people, tell us what you're supposed
to use as a palate cleanser. Yeah. Let's see.
I know what a palate cleanser is. Don't give
me the definition. Yikes. What is a good example?
Traditional palate cleansers. Thank you. Tell
me. Sparkling water or flat water. See, I was
right. Lightly brewed green, black, or mint tea.
Celery sticks. Yeah, I'm not eating a celery
stick. A sprig of parsley. So help me. We're
just going to drink this. Here we go. Ready?
Go. I can't tell. Is it the same? Or do I just
have that taste in my mouth? No, there's something
different. The aftertaste. Oh, it sticks with
you. Oh, it's on the back side of the tongue,
whatever it is. I feel like I can say with very
strong conviction about this, anything that says
pumpkin or pumpkin spice is not pumpkin. It's...
This show better get so many downloads. Oh, my
gosh. Oh, man. It is not good. No. Oh, boy. I'm
hurting. If you are, I mean. If you're still
listening to this, you must be a sadist. I mean.
If I've got the right term. Really, really want
other people to feel pain. Yes. I don't know
if it's sadist or masochist, but it's one of
them. Yeah, that's a good question. My eyes are
watering. You keep talking. I'm going to look
that up. Be careful. That's a rough Google search.
It's okay. My network administrator is right
next to me. Okay, a sadist enjoys inflicting
pain and humiliation on others while a masochist
enjoys receiving it. Okay, so if you're still
here, you're a masochist. You're a sadist. And
they're a masochist. And we're masochists. Because
evidently we've crossed over into inflicting
pain on ourselves for some sort of... bonus i
don't know like this is so bad it's worse it's
it's so much worse than dogfish it's because
it like lingers longer and it's on the side of
the back side of the tongue yeah i definitely
it's it's definitely on that like throat side
of your tongue This is so bad. Why are we ending
the show this way? We're going to try to end
with some good news. Okay. Light key. Light key,
yes. Lighting control for Mac. Lighting control
for Mac. I like their little blurb. Professional
DMX lighting control. Mac style. Mac style. Like
it's a burger of some kind. That's McDonald's.
Yeah. Well, I was thinking more of In -N -Out.
Okay. Likey's been around for a while. It has.
Yes. So we've been using Hog, and it runs on
Windows, and it does a great job, but we've been
looking for an alternative. Yeah. Hog is one
of those names in lighting control that's been
around for a while. Yes. And it can do anything
and everything that you want it to ever do. But
you can't expect a college kid to go, oh yeah,
I know hog. Let me totally configure that. Yeah.
That feels like something you need to be trained
for. Like hog is one of those things that it's
like, oh yeah, if you're a professional lighting
guy, you know how to do hog. Yeah. Oh, and then
they have, You can control it via software, which
is what we've done. They have hardware surfaces
that you could also use for it. Now, what I do
like, what Hogg does, is if you go to the Hogg
training, they give you the USB DMX adapter.
Nice. As a part of the training. That's a great
idea. Oh, yeah. So we were told, like, okay,
so who do we need to send to training? Because
we want to get all these adapters. As many people
as we need adapters. Yes. So that's a good way
to get the USB DMX adapter is go do the training
and you get the adapter. Interesting. Like he
have anything like that? Not that I've seen so
far, but they have extensive compatibility with
USB -based DMX controllers. Okay. And they go
beyond. So they talk about USB, ArtNet, SACN,
and ESPNet that they can do, as well as you can
control smart -based lights from within the system,
so it goes kind of beyond TMX. Yeah, so smart
lights like your home lights. Yeah, like Philips.
Philips Hue. Hue, yeah, Hue, not View. So there's
a lot that you can do here. Reasonably simple
to configure. Oh, you can run your lights from
Ableton Live. Yes. There's probably a few that
can do that, but still. Yes. I love it says high
technology made for your Mac. Because your Mac's
not made for high technology. No, not at all.
And then from what I remember, it was reasonably.
Yeah, reasonably priced, depending upon how many
DMX channels you need. 256 channels is $79 for
a year. It is subscription -based. That is the
one caveat. Aren't there 512 in a universe? Yes,
but you can start at 256. Okay. 512 is a full
DMX universe. That's $119 a month, or a year.
You could jump up to two universes at $1 ,024
at $199 for the year, or you could jump up to
a full 16 universes or 8 ,192 channels for $379
for the year. Now, I don't know anybody that's
running that many universes. Who's using that?
Most people I know, it's one universe, period,
end of discussion. Yeah, I think I've got two
universes. Within a single venue? Yeah, because
we use some movers that are on separate. That's
true. We don't want, because we have four movers
that are across the venue from each other. So
it's not like we can pair them together. Yeah.
And each of them has. a large number of channels.
Yes. So that, that, that's fair that there are
some lights that do have a high channel usage,
which could require you to have multiple universes,
depending on what you're doing. But for the huge
majority of people, one universe cuts it. Yeah.
If you're a, if you're a DJ, you're fine with
one. Yeah. Which is what, like, honestly, a lot
of these are, are set up for. I mean, you may
be able to do, as a DJ, you may be able to do
that half universe thing, which 256 or whatever
it is. Yes. You look miserable. I am. I am. I'm
not giving up. I do it for the show. I do it
for the show. I do it for the show. The love
of the show. We're sleeping here tonight, folks.
Yeah, we are. How many bathrooms in this place?
Two. You get a toilet, I get a toilet. Yeah.
It's not so much about the alcohol level as it
is the pain. No, it's the taste and the pain.
From drinking this stuff. It just, it stays so
long. Yes, it does. I just hear Bill Cosby in
my head, hugging the toilet. Oh, thank you, Mr.
Tor, for being so cool inside. That's Bill Cosby
himself. Yeah. And, you know, so many quotes
there. Oh, dad is great. Gives us the chocolate
cake. And then when he's at the dentist, fiber.
There's a fiber in my mouth. Yeah. And when he
talks about his wife coming down and seeing that
he's giving them chocolate cake. Yep. And then
they turned on me. Dad, give us the chocolate
cake. We didn't want it. It's classic. Classic
Cosby. I kind of want to fall asleep right now.
Not have to drink the rest of this. Next year,
you pick the beers for the Thanksgiving show.
I mean, it's going to be Newcastle. Newcastle
all the way. We're going to be like, hey, remember
how we talked about the brown ale being good
for... Just across the board. Just across the
board. Just do a brown ale for Thanksgiving.
Don't, don't, don't. So for dessert... Stout
is good. Yeah. Go get a stout that's not pumpkin
flavored. That's not pumpkin. That's right. Because
this is a stout. Pumpkin spice flavored. Yeah.
So. How did the girls drink this? Is this what
their coffee tastes like? I have no idea. Oh,
it's disgusting. I don't drink coffee. But still.
Yeah. If this is the pumpkin spice of a coffee.
Yeah. So get a traditional stout. Even get a
Belgian triple. Yeah. And certain Belgian quads.
Certain Belgian quads. Yes. Don't get too carried
away there. We've had some quads that were good,
and we've had some quads that were like, ooh,
that's pushing it. But yeah, get you a stout
that is a little more like the breakfast stout.
It's a little more chocolatey. I'm fine with
that. Thank you, founders. Yeah. Where are you
at tonight? You're not in this selection. Not
in this selection. Boof. We should like be getting
money from Fresh for enduring through the beers
that they're selling. How dare you, sir? And
who is choosing their beers? I don't know, but
it's somebody who was like, this will be funny.
Yeah, someone's going to buy this. So we can't
like be a podcast in Tyler and. Be talking about
Thanksgiving without talking about Greenberg
Turkey. Oh, yeah. Greenberg is good. This is
not a sponsorship. I just need to tell you. There's
no sponsorships on this show. That's not what
this is. If you've never heard of a Greenberg
Turkey. You didn't watch Oprah. You didn't watch
Oprah. Yeah. Or pay attention when George Bush
was the president. Yeah. So just go to gobble
gobble dot com. That's a great URL. Yeah. It
really is. Gobblegobble .com. Greenberg turkey
is in Tyler or is made in Tyler. And they do
an amazing smoked turkey. They do. Now, this
is growing up. This is what my cousin used to
call cold turkey because we didn't eat Greenberg's
heated up. Okay. Okay. There are people that
will get a Greenberg ship to them and they will
warm it up. Yeah. Because a Greenberg turkey,
whenever it comes to you, is already cooked.
It is. It's already smoked. You don't have to
smoke it. Yep. But it is injected with this beautiful
collection of spices. Yeah, but most of it's
pepper. Yeah, yeah, fair. And it's so good. Yeah.
But it's made here in Tyler, and you can choose
your size based on what kind of crowd you're
serving. I would suggest to add two to any number
that they tell you it feeds. Or, sorry, subtract
two from any number that they tell you it feeds.
So if it says a five -pound turkey will feed
10 to 15 people, yeah, that's eight people. Yeah.
I don't, I mean, I don't, I don't want to be
like, but when people start eating this, they're
going to keep eating this. They are. So this
is not only a great Turkey for Thanksgiving,
it's a great Turkey for, um, after Thanksgiving
sandwiches. Yeah. So good to just be eaten on
a sandwich. I'm going to tell you, I don't know
if you, I've told you this. The like pro tip
here that not a lot of people know, even Tyler
people. Okay. If you get a Greenberg turkey and
slice it up real good. And then you dip it in
a one sauce. Ooh, I've never done that. I'm not
like, don't, don't go like I'm talking white
label a one. Okay. Yeah. Like nothing. Don't
get like a. If you taste it with the A1 sauce
and you're like, I'd like a little bit of heat
or I'd like whatever, yeah, you can move away
from the white label. But I'm talking just normal
A1 sauce. Okay. Just don't like ketchup this
thing in A1, but put a little A1 on your plate.
Wow. And you can... Jump between A1 and cranberry
if you really want to. If you're like a cranberry
fiend, then, you know, whatever. But even, okay,
if you're a cranberry fiend, what I would say
is with your turkey, like your Thanksgiving meal,
you can do cranberry with the Greenberg turkey
and be fine. It is delicious. I mean, it's so.
Nice. How sweetly the smoked turkey goes with
everything else. But when you have leftovers,
just like grab a slice of this thing and dip
it in some A1. Okay. I have to try that. And
it will change your life. Okay. Will it change
my life like this full grown Jack? In the opposite
direction. You will want more of it, not less.
That full -grown jack is making me want to throw
something through a window. Did you finish? Almost.
One more. I feel like I've got like half a can
left. I don't know if I have it. It is so bad.
We should have broken these up with the other
beers. I had no idea what you had in store for
me. Anyway, Greenberg smoked turkey. Just remember,
I did this to myself, too. Yeah, you did. I didn't
have anything to do with this. Greenberg smoked
turkey will ship to you anywhere. Don't worry
about that. If you go to the gobblegobble .com
website, dadgummit, you finished. They'll explain
to you how it's shipped to you and that you don't
need to cook it. But if you do want to warm it
up, that you can do that. It's just warming it
up, though. It's not actually cooking it. It's
already cooked. And I would say, like, there
was a while there where there was like, nope,
everything's unavailable. Okay, never mind. You're
out of luck this year if you wanted a Greenberg
turkey. Yeah. Unless you're in Tyler, it can
go to one of the stores that still has it in
stock. Because I think fresh, like Berkshires.
Fresh and Berkshires, yeah, for sure. And Super
Ones. Every once in a while. Well, not every
once in a while. If they still have them, they're
available. But they might be gone already. I
totally shouldn't have drank that. Yeah, what
are you... Oh, the thing to do for the show.
The rest of the show will be a groaning episode
where we'll just be saying into the microphone
how sorry we are for the decisions we've made.
Please don't drink these. I cannot recommend.
No, I can recommend Dogfish and Tups, Pumpkin,
or Full Grown Jack. I'm sorry, Dogfish Head,
but your Pumpkin L, oh, and it's, oh, the Tups
is somehow even worse. Oh, boy. So Doghead is
7%. Full Grown Jack is 12%. Oh. We're supposed
to lead with the 12, not end with the 12. Well,
I would say, regardless of where it's supposed
to be in this list of things, it's disgusting.
I think we've kind of dispelled the third beer
phenomenon. It's so bad. Because generally, by
the third beer, you don't care. Fourth beer,
hate it. Fourth beer, you care, apparently. Oh,
the blonde was five and a half. And what's Jeremiah?
I would get 4 .5. 4 .5. Where are you seeing
that on the can? I'm not, but that's my guess.
12 ounce. Hey -oh. Good save. Good save. Kick
save and a beaut. There it is. Oh, it's 7 .3.
Okay, so we've dropped a few here. We dropped
a 7, we dropped a 5, we dropped a 7, and we dropped
a 12. That's a lot. I was not expecting Jeremiah
to be a 7. I wasn't either. It drinks more like
a 5. It's very smooth. Tups. Tups, you're killing
me there. Full -grown Jack. Jack, yes, Jack.
It doesn't drink like a 12 .1. It drinks like
a four because you're not going to finish it.
So what does it mean that I finished it? That
I'm a glutton for punishment? I mean, I'm not
finishing this. I'm proud of myself for finishing
the dogfish. Like, this is so bad. Yeah, the
tubs makes the dogfish seem really, really good.
Yikes. I've never had a pumpkin anything coffee
because I don't drink coffee. Yeah, no, neither.
Well, I drink. Okay, let's be honest. I don't
drink coffee. I don't drink coffee. I drink caffeinated
chocolate milk. Fair. That's true. There's chocolate
milk and it's got some caffeine put into it.
Yeah. I developed this taste from kissing my
wife who loves coffee. Okay. But I love chocolate.
Remember, this is a child friendly podcast. I'm
not telling you how I kissed her. But what was
the Sandlot quote? I kissed her long and I kissed
her good. Was that it? No, I can't remember.
Watch Sandlot in time. Dang. What we're not doing
is drinking any more of that. No. So if you enjoyed
this... If you enjoyed the messicus listening
to this show, send us an email. Beerandgearpodcast
at gmail .com. And if you have any recommendations
for a Christmas show. It better not be pumpkin
spice. No, no, no pumpkin. No, what comes to
mind is St. Bernardus. They make a Christmas
ale. In fact, I think I had that one on one of
the solo shows that I did around Christmas of
last year. Last year. It was not too bad. You
did the solo show last year. All the different
mics, I believe. Yeah. Okay, well, we're going
to go now so that I can vomit. Yes. Did you bring
the Ipecac with you? Yeah. Always good to talk
to you, Chris. Yeah, good to talk, but not good
for some of these drinks. Bruh. Bruh. Hopefully
you got some good content out of this show. Man,
I hope so. Besides us complaining about beer.
So bad. Oh, and I have one question. Yeah. Are
those channels muted? Yeah. So are you saying
the whole show didn't get recorded? Our channels
are not muted. Because from my angle, they look
muted. Yeah, just the ones that aren't being
used. Sorry about that, bud. I didn't mean to
freak you out. Because I'm sitting there looking
at that and going, we just did this whole show
and it looks like it's going to be there. Okay,
there you go. That's what it's like when you're
muted. Yeah, so now that one does look. This
is what it sounds like when I'm muted. Okay.
All right. I'm just sitting there going, don't
tell me I endured all that for nothing. We didn't
get any of that. We're going to have to do the
show again. Oh, no. No, I'm not drinking those
again. All right. Well. All right. Well, happy
Thanksgiving, everybody. Happy Thanksgiving.
Maybe. No guarantees. Maybe I'll get this out
before Thanksgiving. If you do, congratulations.
Yeah. Don't hold me to it. Totally get it. All
right. Good to talk to you. Yeah, good to talk
to you, John. See you, everybody. See you. By
golly, another winner. If you did not like this,
then. You are nuts.