WEBVTT 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:36.140 Hey Chris. Hey John. How you feeling? Doing okay. 00:00:36.219 --> 00:00:39.679 How are you? You know, it's been a while since 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:44.380 we've done late night recording. Yes. And this 00:00:44.380 --> 00:00:46.719 has been a long day. Sounds like it's been a 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:48.939 long day for you for sure. Yeah, I've been up 00:00:48.939 --> 00:00:54.600 here for a while. You know, not hard work. I 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:57.460 think that we've all had those days where it 00:00:57.460 --> 00:01:02.920 kind of feels like you're more babysitting. a 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.579 piece of gear or technology or a situation, then 00:01:06.579 --> 00:01:09.959 you are actually like hammering it out. But that 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:12.200 was really nice. Even though it's been a long 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.519 day, I think it feels longer because I was up 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:19.340 here until seven o 'clock last night trying to 00:01:19.340 --> 00:01:23.280 get wires run, some power lines, power lines, 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:29.180 power distribution done to some of our speakers 00:01:29.180 --> 00:01:35.530 that were. okay so guy comes in and puts in brand 00:01:35.530 --> 00:01:37.370 new speakers for us and they're fancy they're 00:01:37.370 --> 00:01:39.629 so nice i really like the way that they sound 00:01:39.629 --> 00:01:43.090 um but we had two of them fail they started buzzing 00:01:43.090 --> 00:01:45.709 so we sent them in and when i got up there and 00:01:45.709 --> 00:01:50.290 looked at it all realize there's seven like we 00:01:50.290 --> 00:01:54.230 have two stacks of line arrays that are seven 00:01:54.230 --> 00:01:58.010 deep and then we have some point source three 00:01:58.010 --> 00:02:02.480 point source uh uh, speakers that are kind of 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:05.700 in a fill arrangement to, to fill out some of 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:11.400 them shorter spots in our, in our room. Um, so 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:15.400 it's an, it's an interesting setup and I am, 00:02:15.419 --> 00:02:17.300 I've, I've already been critiqued on it so many 00:02:17.300 --> 00:02:21.620 times, but, uh, the, the guy who installed them 00:02:21.620 --> 00:02:26.379 ran like Daisy chain, the power on those line 00:02:26.379 --> 00:02:32.689 arrays all together. to one 20 amp circuit and 00:02:32.689 --> 00:02:35.849 it's the same circuit that the projectors are 00:02:35.849 --> 00:02:41.430 on oh and so there was some there were some words 00:02:41.430 --> 00:02:46.050 uttered in that moment i bet um so we sent the 00:02:46.050 --> 00:02:51.629 two problem uh speakers off and then i basically 00:02:51.629 --> 00:02:55.270 said before we put the ones back in here we need 00:02:55.270 --> 00:02:58.389 to fix the power issue and we did that But we 00:02:58.389 --> 00:03:00.490 were up there, and we put the speakers in, and 00:03:00.490 --> 00:03:04.050 then I realized we haven't run the power to actually 00:03:04.050 --> 00:03:08.650 do this right, and they want to retune the room 00:03:08.650 --> 00:03:10.710 tomorrow. And I was like, well, if we're going 00:03:10.710 --> 00:03:13.210 to use these speakers. And then I found out they 00:03:13.210 --> 00:03:16.310 wanted to use the speakers this morning, and 00:03:16.310 --> 00:03:20.069 so I had to get all of that run before the end 00:03:20.069 --> 00:03:22.830 of the day yesterday and then had to get in early 00:03:22.830 --> 00:03:28.240 today to be there to run sound. Which was not, 00:03:28.300 --> 00:03:31.900 like I said, it was more babysitting than anything 00:03:31.900 --> 00:03:35.080 else. Yeah. I would say it sounds like you need 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:39.919 two, if not three, circuits per stack. Yeah. 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:47.699 Yeah. That's a lot. We've got four per side. 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.039 Okay. But that's because they've got the subs 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.379 run on a different circuit. Okay, yeah. And I 00:03:55.379 --> 00:03:57.560 think the subs were both on the same circuit 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.360 before, but now they're separate circuits. So 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:04.800 one 20 amp circuit for each sub and then two 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:07.900 20 amp circuits for the speakers up top. I think 00:04:07.900 --> 00:04:12.560 there's actually another one. I just don't remember 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:16.779 how that's run because the point sourcer runs 00:04:16.779 --> 00:04:21.259 separately. But it was a big deal. Glad we spent 00:04:21.259 --> 00:04:24.480 the money to do it. It was not cheap. Um, but 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.699 it was just kind of the finishing up of all of 00:04:26.699 --> 00:04:30.439 that last night. And I was, um, up on a ladder 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.579 by myself at six 30. And you know, when you're 00:04:33.579 --> 00:04:35.680 up in a room that doesn't have the air conditioning 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.899 on and you're higher than you normally are. So 00:04:38.899 --> 00:04:41.500 it's hotter. Yeah. And then you lift that, uh, 00:04:41.740 --> 00:04:45.660 ceiling tile out of the way and all of the heat 00:04:45.660 --> 00:04:49.040 comes down on you and you're like, I've made 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:52.759 bad choices. Now I'm standing on this. Yeah. 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:57.199 You know, 25 -foot ladder in the air with my 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:01.720 head in the insulation trying to pull these power 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:03.920 cables through, which I had to make cables for 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:08.120 because, you know, nothing can be easy. No. It 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:09.819 was so frustrating. Anyway, there were a lot 00:05:09.819 --> 00:05:12.620 of parts of it that were frustrating. But this 00:05:12.620 --> 00:05:15.800 is why I need to drink a beer. So I'm going to 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:20.930 drink a full -grown man beer. Good save. Yeah. 00:05:21.069 --> 00:05:23.410 I was like, nope. Kick save and a butte. Not 00:05:23.410 --> 00:05:27.189 saying that, John. Why are you talking? This 00:05:27.189 --> 00:05:29.829 is a family show, I'll have you know. Yeah. Dadgummit. 00:05:30.430 --> 00:05:32.850 Okay. What are you drinking? I've kind of gone 00:05:32.850 --> 00:05:35.170 to an Old Faithful, a breakfast stout. Breakfast 00:05:35.170 --> 00:05:38.990 stout. Love it. I have to admit that I just kind 00:05:38.990 --> 00:05:40.649 of grabbed what was left in the fridge on the 00:05:40.649 --> 00:05:43.990 way out the door. Well, I grabbed what was left 00:05:43.990 --> 00:05:47.050 in the fridge here in the house. Yes, you did. 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:55.839 We're doing it. That was a fail. The opener slipped. 00:05:56.459 --> 00:05:59.360 Didn't get the sound you were looking for there? 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:05.000 No. Also, because we just got done serving dinner 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:09.100 here, and I didn't really get to sit down. Oh, 00:06:09.139 --> 00:06:11.160 that's another fun story I'll save for later. 00:06:11.500 --> 00:06:15.000 I have sandwiches, so help yourself to a sandwich. 00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:18.459 Yes. I guess we'll apologize in advance for any 00:06:18.459 --> 00:06:23.519 smackage. Smackage or. Oh, look at that. That's 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.759 a beautiful pour. I'm just saying two of those 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.339 in this gargantuan. That's not bad. I'm going 00:06:30.339 --> 00:06:32.360 to take a picture of that. It's not bad. Got 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.300 to get the. It's got a good head on it. Everything. 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.579 Oh, who names these things? Anyway. That's what 00:06:40.579 --> 00:06:43.019 they call it. I know. I'm just. Get out of the 00:06:43.019 --> 00:06:54.620 gutter. Oh, that's me. There you go. Clean the 00:06:54.620 --> 00:06:57.540 camera lens. It's telling me to clean the camera 00:06:57.540 --> 00:07:00.019 lens? Like, hey, buddy. I don't know if you've 00:07:00.019 --> 00:07:04.779 noticed, but you need to actually dust that bad 00:07:04.779 --> 00:07:07.600 boy off. It's all roast beef? Yeah, it's all 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:14.759 roast beef. And they just have the meat and cheese 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:20.199 on them. Oh, even better. I was like, I actually 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:24.680 ask them whenever we order. I'm like, hey, could 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:28.500 you not put the veggies on there? Because, you 00:07:28.500 --> 00:07:31.279 know, it makes everything soggy. Here you go, 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:38.740 folks. That is some fascinating ASMR. ASMR, yes. 00:07:38.980 --> 00:07:45.560 No big deal. Yes. I'm sending this to you. Yes, 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:47.920 it's wrapped in the paper, folks. Thank you. 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:51.720 Jimmy John's. Thank you, Jimmy John's. This episode 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:57.060 brought to you by, no. But if you are ever in 00:07:57.060 --> 00:08:00.620 Tyler looking for a sandwich, Alex at Jimmy John's 00:08:00.620 --> 00:08:05.839 hooks us up. Yes. And really, really grateful. 00:08:06.019 --> 00:08:08.720 This is not the Danny DeVito soap. No, it's not. 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:20.019 Yeah, there's plenty of... What was that? The 00:08:20.019 --> 00:08:25.300 new... Oh, it was Eli Manning. The commercial 00:08:25.300 --> 00:08:28.420 where he falls into the conference room or whatever 00:08:28.420 --> 00:08:33.879 and he's yelling at Eli Manning. Eli's. Eli's. 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:38.519 You'll be hearing from my lawyer. Kaboom! He's 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:46.000 prompt. He's prompt. I love it. Okay, so part 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.840 of the reason that I didn't get to eat while 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:55.659 we were doing food tonight was that have you 00:08:55.659 --> 00:09:02.220 ever set up something and you're like, this is 00:09:02.220 --> 00:09:06.720 like, we don't ever need to mess with this again. 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.200 So I'm just going to set it in a way that is 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:16.679 kind of vague. you know i say vague but generic 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:22.059 and the stuff that i'm setting it for is not 00:09:22.059 --> 00:09:25.860 stuff that changes so boom no big deal and then 00:09:25.860 --> 00:09:29.860 management decides to change something yep that 00:09:29.860 --> 00:09:34.399 you're like well that sucks now i gotta go to 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:36.559 all these different places and you know change 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:38.019 all these different oh and there's that thing 00:09:38.019 --> 00:09:42.919 that i set up again that was like So long ago, 00:09:43.059 --> 00:09:46.639 we don't even mess with that anymore. And there's 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:52.399 only one tool that can be used for that because 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:57.279 of some archaic software. But the good news is 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.580 I put everything to make that happen in a bag 00:10:00.580 --> 00:10:03.159 all together. And then you go and you open the 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:07.299 bag and the power cord's not there. Uh -oh. And 00:10:07.299 --> 00:10:14.799 you're like, in my particular case. Am I going 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:20.000 to have to eBay a Dell Vostro 1400 power cable 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:25.720 so that I can change the sign that's so outdated? 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.500 Like the old barrel? Yeah, old barrel style. 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.960 No, I found one, but it took me all evening to 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:39.360 find it. I was looking underneath desks and all 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:45.529 kinds of places. It was not pleasant. But it 00:10:45.529 --> 00:10:48.970 was definitely one of those. All right. Well, 00:10:49.110 --> 00:10:55.629 adding to the tired. Yes. Yeah, that was the 00:10:55.629 --> 00:11:01.990 other fun story. I would say recently for us. 00:11:02.029 --> 00:11:05.690 There you go. Take it in, folks. You should see 00:11:05.690 --> 00:11:09.850 it. It's worse. Yes. It's so much worse. The 00:11:09.850 --> 00:11:12.980 closest that we've had for that. Probably the 00:11:12.980 --> 00:11:19.779 last year is trying to keep Google groups organized. 00:11:22.659 --> 00:11:26.559 You know that find code loves change. Yes. They 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.940 embrace it wholeheartedly. Wholeheartedly. They 00:11:28.940 --> 00:11:31.820 will hire people to change things. Correct. So 00:11:31.820 --> 00:11:36.940 I would say the last two years, the change rate 00:11:36.940 --> 00:11:40.179 has been off the charts. It does seem like there's 00:11:40.179 --> 00:11:43.240 a lot. And particularly in the last year, it's 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:47.600 gone just completely off the rails. And so you'll 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.360 get Google groups, right? And you're like, okay, 00:11:50.500 --> 00:11:54.460 we can breathe. Hey, this is happening and this 00:11:54.460 --> 00:11:57.539 is good over there. And you're like, you just 00:11:57.539 --> 00:11:59.580 broke everything. You broke everything again. 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:01.639 And that's probably happened five or six times 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:04.000 in the last year. HR, let me train you how to 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:10.120 do this. This is your job now. Yep. So. I think 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:16.019 we found a solution that will fix it. But there's 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:20.240 some work involved. And I'm sure they'll find 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:22.940 a way. To break it again. To break it again. 00:12:25.500 --> 00:12:27.220 So you're talking about more than just like. 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:35.059 This is talking about using groups to handle 00:12:35.059 --> 00:12:38.059 distribution of email. Yeah. Which should be 00:12:38.059 --> 00:12:41.129 pretty straightforward. You're in this department. 00:12:42.409 --> 00:12:46.149 Here you go. Oh, well they're in this and then 00:12:46.149 --> 00:12:47.690 they're also in this and they're in that over 00:12:47.690 --> 00:12:49.929 there. And we really need them to have this stuff. 00:12:52.269 --> 00:12:54.549 Yeah, no, that's not, that's not fun at all. 00:12:54.809 --> 00:12:58.570 No, I've tried to keep all of that as minimal 00:12:58.570 --> 00:13:01.090 as possible, but it really is tough. And then 00:13:01.090 --> 00:13:03.389 somebody will tell you why, you know, this person's 00:13:03.389 --> 00:13:05.929 not receiving this email and like they're in 00:13:05.929 --> 00:13:10.659 the group. Have they checked their spam? Yep. 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:13.299 Well, the beauty of that is you can go into the 00:13:13.299 --> 00:13:20.100 email log and go delivered. Delivered. We had 00:13:20.100 --> 00:13:23.440 a fun one in that vein. I'm not getting the email. 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:25.779 I'm not getting the email. And we went into the 00:13:25.779 --> 00:13:28.200 email log and we could literally see not only 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:32.240 was it delivered, but that it was opened. It's 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:34.240 like, I'm sorry, you got the email. You did get 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:39.059 the email. Yes. There's some sort of delusion 00:13:39.059 --> 00:13:42.220 happening that I'm not really prepared to walk 00:13:42.220 --> 00:13:47.379 into with you right now. I don't want to call 00:13:47.379 --> 00:13:49.059 you a liar right here in front of everybody. 00:13:49.379 --> 00:13:55.259 Sure. That's a fun screen that just popped up. 00:13:55.580 --> 00:13:57.679 I know she's not listening, but shout out to 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:01.940 Ruthie for keeping Google working. She's been 00:14:01.940 --> 00:14:08.820 awesome. Man, I miss Ruthie. She's rock solid, 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:13.600 man. She's awesome. She keeps us in line. I was 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.519 really frustrated when she left. Yep. Oh, I need 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.840 to... I didn't even think about that. I need 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.399 to send you a picture of what she did with the 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:25.740 space now that Jacob ran away and went to Dallas. 00:14:25.980 --> 00:14:28.620 Yeah. And we had all that extra. Extra space. 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:31.299 Now it actually looks welcoming and presentable. 00:14:31.419 --> 00:14:33.580 Of course it does because... I'll send you pictures 00:14:33.580 --> 00:14:36.720 tomorrow. You have to come hang out. Every IT... 00:14:37.830 --> 00:14:41.750 should have somebody like Ruthie. That's, you 00:14:41.750 --> 00:14:47.409 know, thinking through. I'm going to let you 00:14:47.409 --> 00:14:50.710 see it next time it does it. Thinks through stuff 00:14:50.710 --> 00:14:54.889 like that. A relationships manager, if you will. 00:14:55.070 --> 00:14:59.639 There you go. You've got me thinking. i t crowd 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.179 all the way with the way that you are reacting 00:15:01.179 --> 00:15:03.759 to the computer i'm waiting for you to go i haven't 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:10.019 seen that one since 1994 if your computer was 00:15:10.019 --> 00:15:13.320 a human i'd shoot it in the face in the face 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:19.799 it just it seems like maybe that's where we're 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:27.259 going with this one but you know I'm sure that 00:15:27.259 --> 00:15:34.659 there wasn't anything like that shouldn't have 00:15:34.659 --> 00:15:41.720 been on here. It's fine. Yep. Okay. You're going 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:43.460 to have to watch. I'm going to hit the update 00:15:43.460 --> 00:15:53.320 now. Okay. Ready? Mm -hmm. Okay. Agree. Oh, sorry. 00:15:53.340 --> 00:15:56.259 I would agree. Agree? If I don't agree, it doesn't 00:15:56.259 --> 00:16:02.120 work. Got to agree. Agree. Oh, that's awesome. 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:07.940 I'm looking for updates now. Where'd the error 00:16:07.940 --> 00:16:11.059 go? What was the error? Can we get a screenshot 00:16:11.059 --> 00:16:13.019 of the error? I didn't see the error. I just 00:16:13.019 --> 00:16:14.720 saw it totally reset, and now it's looking for 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.980 updates again. Oh, no. There's a little box that 00:16:18.980 --> 00:16:20.919 shows up that's this big, and then it disappears, 00:16:21.139 --> 00:16:25.120 and it's got a... Okay. error on it but it doesn't 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.279 let you read the error it just disappears so 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:36.539 you're getting restarted right now i just every 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:44.279 once in a while i want to sing and dance i want 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:46.840 to sing and dance live in gear support right 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:50.120 on the show folks i want to be a pirate in the 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:54.309 pirates of penzance You know this one? No. Did 00:16:54.309 --> 00:16:59.710 you ever listen to Ray Stevens? No. Okay. Well, 00:16:59.870 --> 00:17:03.009 I'm still going to be your friend. Ray Stevens, 00:17:03.309 --> 00:17:09.609 really funny, but always did like songs that 00:17:09.609 --> 00:17:14.349 were, you know, like Weird Al did like parodies 00:17:14.349 --> 00:17:17.250 of songs and that's part of what made them funny 00:17:17.250 --> 00:17:19.529 was him rewriting the lyrics and everything. 00:17:20.859 --> 00:17:23.960 Ray Stevens was just like a comedian who most 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:26.380 of his comedy was... I recognize him now that 00:17:26.380 --> 00:17:31.099 I see the picture. So he did one that was... 00:17:31.099 --> 00:17:39.559 Now let's see if I can remember this. He did 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:41.940 one that was... I don't know what it's called. 00:17:42.339 --> 00:17:45.680 It's like either Pirates or I Want to Sing and 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:47.180 Dance or something like that. And it's really 00:17:47.180 --> 00:17:49.960 funny because the... You know, it starts off 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:54.880 with the 16 men under dead men's chest. And then 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:57.819 the captain, the pirate captain, who sounds very 00:17:57.819 --> 00:18:00.259 pirate captain -y, is talking to his crew. And 00:18:00.259 --> 00:18:04.480 they're all, yeah, we're going to pillage. We're 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.920 going to plunder. And then you hear this little 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:14.039 effeminate voice say, I don't like that. What 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:16.980 do you mean you don't like it? We're pirates. 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.160 I don't like it and I don't want it. And then 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.960 he was like, well, what do you want? It turns 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:26.779 out after like through the whole song, you go 00:18:26.779 --> 00:18:28.420 through the whole song that this little voice 00:18:28.420 --> 00:18:33.819 is, is the pirate captain's son. And then at 00:18:33.819 --> 00:18:38.960 the end, he's like, well, you don't like all 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:45.279 of these things. And, uh, but you want to sing 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:47.019 and dance. And he's like, yeah. And he's like, 00:18:47.609 --> 00:18:52.069 All right, we'll all sing and dance. We'll all 00:18:52.069 --> 00:18:55.009 sing and dance. No, we don't want to. Or you'll 00:18:55.009 --> 00:18:56.930 walk the plank, and so then they all sing, and 00:18:56.930 --> 00:19:00.569 you hear all the. Anyway, it's hilarious. There's 00:19:00.569 --> 00:19:03.509 plenty of them. And I was like, and surprisingly, 00:19:03.690 --> 00:19:15.230 very like PC of today. Not shaming. And Ray Stevens 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:20.460 was a long time ago. I listened to Ray Stevens 00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:25.900 and Mark Lowry a lot growing up because they 00:19:25.900 --> 00:19:31.039 were music and comedy that my parents were okay 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:37.680 with. Baptist family. Mom used to say that I'd 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:39.720 be sitting in the back of the Suburban because 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.619 my sisters are in the front seats of the Suburban. 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:46.269 I'm in the back. And I would be sitting in the 00:19:46.269 --> 00:19:48.910 back of the Suburban just giggling with my little 00:19:48.910 --> 00:19:52.930 Walkman tape deck. Tape. There you go, tape, 00:19:52.990 --> 00:19:56.549 yes. Not CD. This is before the CD. Because the 00:19:56.549 --> 00:19:58.630 Walkman was cassette. Yeah, Walkman was cassette. 00:19:59.329 --> 00:20:01.829 They came out with a CD player, right? They did. 00:20:02.309 --> 00:20:05.730 It was terrible. Because you expected to be able 00:20:05.730 --> 00:20:08.650 to do with the Walkman CD player what you could 00:20:08.650 --> 00:20:10.829 do with the tape deck and just hook it onto your 00:20:10.829 --> 00:20:12.940 belt. But I don't know if you've ever tried to 00:20:12.940 --> 00:20:18.559 do that with a CD. It doesn't work. Even if you 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:23.559 put the anti -skip switch on, it's still going 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:27.259 to skip. Yep. It doesn't work well. Okay. It 00:20:27.259 --> 00:20:30.619 wasn't meant to, though. This is not, we didn't 00:20:30.619 --> 00:20:35.319 talk about any of this, but still, not planned. 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.450 Favorite old technology. Favorite old technology. 00:20:43.410 --> 00:20:46.609 LaserDisc. I always was fascinated by LaserDisc. 00:20:46.609 --> 00:20:48.269 Somehow I knew you were going to say LaserDisc. 00:20:48.289 --> 00:20:52.769 My uncle had one. I think we still lived in Indiana 00:20:52.769 --> 00:20:58.690 at the time. I remember he had LaserDisc. I thought 00:20:58.690 --> 00:21:01.009 it was the most amazing thing ever. It's the 00:21:01.009 --> 00:21:05.759 size of an album. This is a vinyl record. Basically. 00:21:06.019 --> 00:21:09.940 That is silver. Yeah. He was a big Star Trek 00:21:09.940 --> 00:21:12.319 fan, so he had some of the Star Trek movies on 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:18.339 Laserdisc. He had Coming to America. Oh, wow. 00:21:18.740 --> 00:21:22.460 Well, that may be pushing it past when we already 00:21:22.460 --> 00:21:26.779 were here. So anyways, Laserdisc by far. In fact, 00:21:26.819 --> 00:21:29.000 I've come so close. Because you can get them 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.579 reasonably priced. Can you? Well, not getting 00:21:31.579 --> 00:21:34.380 the player, but getting the Star Wars original 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:37.420 trilogy on Laserdisc. Yeah. I'd never be able 00:21:37.420 --> 00:21:40.539 to watch it because I don't have a player. I 00:21:40.539 --> 00:21:42.880 don't intend to buy a player. But for whatever 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.299 reason, I just have always been fascinated by 00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:48.359 the idea of owning the original trilogy movies 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:51.700 on Laserdisc. That's an interesting aspiration 00:21:51.700 --> 00:21:54.559 for somebody who doesn't have a player. It seems 00:21:54.559 --> 00:22:00.759 like you would want the player. Um, so, but yeah, 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:02.779 I would say laser disc for me. That's pretty 00:22:02.779 --> 00:22:07.420 great. By far. Um, so along those, I do remember 00:22:07.420 --> 00:22:11.460 when our, um, one of, I think it was our librarian 00:22:11.460 --> 00:22:13.819 actually, um, you know, cause librarians are 00:22:13.819 --> 00:22:17.819 always somehow librarians are the, you know, 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:22.420 technology people in schools. Um, we did have 00:22:22.420 --> 00:22:25.509 a like, computer labs person but that's not like 00:22:25.509 --> 00:22:27.109 the librarian is the one that would bring the 00:22:27.109 --> 00:22:31.710 like the tv with the on the cart on the cart 00:22:31.710 --> 00:22:34.430 av club baby yeah all of that was coming from 00:22:34.430 --> 00:22:38.670 the library not the computer anyway seemed very 00:22:38.670 --> 00:22:42.490 unrelated at the time now it's like well obviously 00:22:42.490 --> 00:22:47.569 that's the tech guy yeah anyway um but i remember 00:22:47.569 --> 00:22:51.970 them pulling in in elementary school, in elementary 00:22:51.970 --> 00:22:55.730 school, pulling in a TV that had this massive 00:22:55.730 --> 00:22:59.950 VCR on the bottom of it. And I was like, what 00:22:59.950 --> 00:23:02.730 is that? And then they pulled out the LaserDisc. 00:23:03.230 --> 00:23:06.369 And I was like, oh my gosh, we're in the future. 00:23:07.849 --> 00:23:12.849 I was just looking real quick, and most of these 00:23:12.849 --> 00:23:17.240 LaserDisc players on eBay are going... For like 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.980 $200 to $300. That's not terrible. I'm not paying 00:23:21.980 --> 00:23:23.680 that much for a Laser Displayer. I'm not saying 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:25.880 you should. I'm just saying it's not terrible. 00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:31.640 That's expensive, man. Again. I'm being a cheapskate. 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:35.019 I'm not saying that you should do it. Sure. But 00:23:35.019 --> 00:23:38.640 if you're going to get the trilogy. It's just 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.579 more about having the collectible more than anything. 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:45.339 Oh, that's great. Laser Displayer. Laser Displayer. 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:50.529 Laser Displayer. Plug your ears, kids. Really? 00:23:50.849 --> 00:23:57.670 Well, it's typical of the 80s. It is a entertainment 00:23:57.670 --> 00:24:02.829 collection of the bunny variety. There, I dressed 00:24:02.829 --> 00:24:05.309 it down, so to speak, for the kids in the audience. 00:24:05.309 --> 00:24:08.490 For the children. And then it's back to just 00:24:08.490 --> 00:24:10.009 players, players, players, players, players. 00:24:11.329 --> 00:24:13.069 Yeah, see, there you go. You can get Stephen 00:24:13.069 --> 00:24:17.289 King's It on Laserdisc for $15. That's what I'm 00:24:17.289 --> 00:24:23.690 talking about. Cheap. Super cheap. Because they 00:24:23.690 --> 00:24:25.950 know nobody has a player. Because you have to 00:24:25.950 --> 00:24:29.730 buy over $200. Yeah, I'm not spending that kind 00:24:29.730 --> 00:24:37.569 of money. Anyway. But I digress. Oh my gosh. 00:24:39.089 --> 00:24:42.569 I'm so tired it's hard to chew. Okay, so mine. 00:24:44.619 --> 00:24:46.900 I've thought about this for a long time. Okay. 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:55.119 The technology that I am really sad did not last 00:24:55.119 --> 00:25:02.400 and like become a thing. I want to say for longer, 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:07.099 but honestly, I would still love it today. Our 00:25:07.099 --> 00:25:12.039 mini disc. Oh yeah. Players. Yeah. Because really. 00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:16.160 It's a little laser disc. It's a little laser 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:20.440 disc. And like the, the, the mini discs to me, 00:25:20.500 --> 00:25:25.500 it was like, Oh, they fixed the CD. You know, 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:27.599 like we, we put a little cartridge around this 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:31.839 bad boy and it's not skipping. Yeah. And so like 00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:35.000 my cousin had like a mini disc. Um, he had a 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:39.920 mini disc player in like his home stereo setup. 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:46.589 And he also had a mini disc, like, Walkman of 00:25:46.589 --> 00:25:50.329 sorts. Yeah, I remember those. And I thought 00:25:50.329 --> 00:25:58.730 this was the future. Sadly, the iPod came out. 00:25:59.789 --> 00:26:04.470 And I say sadly, and I think everybody knows 00:26:04.470 --> 00:26:09.390 what I mean. The iPod then was the advent of 00:26:09.390 --> 00:26:15.759 not owning physical copies of... anything that 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:20.339 you buy. Um, and many disc was the opposite in 00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:26.019 that it made it so easy to record, to make your 00:26:26.019 --> 00:26:30.200 own, like I was not mixed tape. I was not, yeah, 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:32.220 I was not, I was not fancy enough to have one 00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:34.299 of these, but can you imagine how easy it would 00:26:34.299 --> 00:26:36.980 have been to do a mixtape on one of those bad 00:26:36.980 --> 00:26:40.519 boys? Oh yeah. I sat there with my cassette player 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:46.589 listening to the radio. I just need the first 00:26:46.589 --> 00:26:50.490 two notes of the song I'm listening for, and 00:26:50.490 --> 00:26:56.069 I'm hitting this record play button. Yep. I'm 00:26:56.069 --> 00:27:00.130 just saying. Oh, yeah. Kids these days. No idea. 00:27:00.990 --> 00:27:06.450 No patience. No follow through. If you never 00:27:06.450 --> 00:27:10.630 had to make a play or a, what do you call it? 00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:14.099 mixtape for your girlfriend. Oh, yeah. You're 00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:19.019 not going to know what love really is. Fair. 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:29.559 Anyway. Okay. Did we actually say what we were 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.400 going to do today? Well, not yet. I'm realizing 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.819 we didn't really describe the beer. Oh, we didn't 00:27:34.819 --> 00:27:37.819 describe the beer. Well, these are two beers 00:27:37.819 --> 00:27:40.420 that we've done. Well, I know. But still. There's 00:27:40.420 --> 00:27:41.759 new people out there. There's new people out 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.460 there. Maybe this is the first time. And I know 00:27:43.460 --> 00:27:45.319 there's new people out there because I keep watching 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:47.759 the OP3 numbers. Look at you. And I can't figure 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:49.940 out what's happening. No, it's not. I don't think 00:27:49.940 --> 00:27:52.200 so. Because it's not that they're getting the 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.740 most recent shows. Yeah. They're hitting all 00:27:54.740 --> 00:27:57.880 these older shows. Okay. And I'm like, okay, 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.960 that's weird. And a lot of it's coming from Amsterdam. 00:28:01.980 --> 00:28:04.359 I'm like, that's weird. Shout out Amsterdam. 00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:07.420 Yeah. Y 'all are too high to know that you've 00:28:07.420 --> 00:28:11.299 wandered onto our show. Congratulations. We've 00:28:11.299 --> 00:28:14.119 got the munchies over here, too. Yeah. I mean, 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.539 so far, in the month of September, just throwing 00:28:17.539 --> 00:28:20.539 a fun number out, 46 % of our downloads have 00:28:20.539 --> 00:28:23.339 come from the Netherlands. Sounds like we need 00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:27.220 to make a trip. Oh, like Cheech and Chong. That's 00:28:27.220 --> 00:28:34.880 right. Oh, boy. Was that Still Smoking? Where 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.880 they went? I don't remember. They were pretending 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.359 to be the... and then the real people showed 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:45.819 up. That's hilarious. Yeah. That's pretty funny. 00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:51.299 Anyway. So, yeah, what we intended to talk on 00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:57.720 first was the wonderful challenges of trying 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.660 to stay legal for audio and video. That's right. 00:29:00.779 --> 00:29:04.759 Oh, it's the worst. Yes. And then second half 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.000 of the show, we will get into the Intel backdoor. 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.359 Okay. This is one of those things like I have. 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.980 We didn't used to have this problem. You know, 00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:20.660 as as churches, we didn't used to have this problem 00:29:20.660 --> 00:29:23.339 because all the music that you did was in the 00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:26.380 hymnal. True. And so if you bought the hymnals, 00:29:26.380 --> 00:29:30.000 you're fine. And I would argue in the 1980s, 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.700 the Christian music was so bad that nobody cared 00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:35.559 if you were playing it. Without a license. But 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.880 in the church that I grew up in, we only did 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.279 hymns. Oh, yeah. For me as well. For me as well. 00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:44.859 But when I listen to 1980s Christian music, it's 00:29:44.859 --> 00:29:48.319 just like, oh, I just want to shove pencils in 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.380 my ears. The quality of the music was just like, 00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:57.039 oh. They didn't have the monetary backing that 00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.019 they do now. Oh, they clearly didn't. But they 00:30:00.019 --> 00:30:06.240 were trying real hard. Yeah. Shout out, Striper. 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.960 Yes, I remember that. In fact, the Christian 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.079 music of the 80s is why I probably never really 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:16.140 got into Christian music at all. It ruined me 00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:19.099 early. Every now and then there'll be one that'll 00:30:19.099 --> 00:30:21.519 be like, hey, that's actually not bad. Well, 00:30:21.619 --> 00:30:24.779 like, okay. So I have always had, and this is 00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:27.839 my mother's influence, I think, I've always had 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:33.190 a soft spot for singer -songwriters. So Rich 00:30:33.190 --> 00:30:37.150 Mullins was like the pinnacle to me. And still 00:30:37.150 --> 00:30:41.730 is to a certain extent. I still stack him up 00:30:41.730 --> 00:30:48.890 against a lot of songwriters. He had some serious 00:30:48.890 --> 00:30:53.049 diversity. He had the ability to do these big 00:30:53.049 --> 00:30:57.369 80s ballad -like... Not even ballad -like... 00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:00.420 I mean, I guess you can call it a power ballad. 00:31:00.460 --> 00:31:04.039 He, he, he would do these like musical, like, 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.339 I mean, it's just a composition. Like there's, 00:31:07.339 --> 00:31:10.319 there there's movement. There's, there's, there's 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.720 an, like a beginning and then it's going to take 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.500 you into this place. And then all of a sudden 00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:21.359 you're singing. How did that happen? And there's 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:27.259 a climax of, you know, whatever the point of 00:31:27.259 --> 00:31:30.819 the song that he's doing is and then he could 00:31:30.819 --> 00:31:34.500 do like an acapella just voices like whatever 00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:36.799 that would make you cry at the end of it and 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.299 you're like what what what what did you just 00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:43.440 do to me yeah um i just was always really impressed 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.720 with with his musicality um for somebody who 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:53.339 was just just a you know t -shirt and jeans yeah 00:31:53.339 --> 00:32:01.119 christian artist There's a lot of his story and 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.279 everything that I think I was sheltered from 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.460 when I was a kid or we just didn't know because 00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:09.099 they didn't have social media back then. But 00:32:09.099 --> 00:32:13.839 it's only made me like him more the more I found 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.400 out about him. But because of that, because of 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.619 my mom's influence and because of listening to 00:32:20.619 --> 00:32:25.190 only Christian music growing up. I had to go 00:32:25.190 --> 00:32:28.450 to my cousin's house to listen to anything that 00:32:28.450 --> 00:32:34.670 was on the secular radio. Oh, there you go. I 00:32:34.670 --> 00:32:39.029 did not have the education musically that most 00:32:39.029 --> 00:32:45.410 people did. It didn't sound so bad because that's 00:32:45.410 --> 00:32:51.029 all you were used to was KLTY. True. It may be 00:32:51.029 --> 00:32:52.690 the wrong decade, but the name that always... 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.859 Comes to mind to me for Christian artists back 00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:59.180 then was Michael W. Smith. I don't remember if 00:32:59.180 --> 00:33:05.200 he's late 80s or 90s or what. Both. Both Michael 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.640 W. Smith and Stephen Curtis Chapman had mullets. 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:12.259 So, you know, they were in the 80s. Yep. 80s 00:33:12.259 --> 00:33:16.259 and early 90s. Amy Grant back in the day. Oh, 00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:20.380 yeah. Twyla Paris. Just pulling that out of. 00:33:20.460 --> 00:33:23.490 Don't know that one. Oh, man. There's no reason 00:33:23.490 --> 00:33:26.450 for you to know who she is because of what I 00:33:26.450 --> 00:33:29.829 know about what you were listening to. And she 00:33:29.829 --> 00:33:31.210 would have been one of the ones that you were 00:33:31.210 --> 00:33:35.210 like, no. You make it sound like I was a heathen. 00:33:36.130 --> 00:33:39.349 Not at all. Just not. Like if you didn't have 00:33:39.349 --> 00:33:41.369 to listen to this stuff, there's no reason for 00:33:41.369 --> 00:33:44.130 you to listen to this stuff. But let me tell 00:33:44.130 --> 00:33:47.529 you, when you have to listen to stuff and it's 00:33:47.529 --> 00:33:53.420 like you start to get excited about. Oh, my gosh. 00:33:53.440 --> 00:34:03.539 What was his name? Yanni. Harmon. Wow. That was 00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:06.359 in the 90s. Yeah, I definitely don't recognize 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:10.380 her. No, that's a he. No, Twyla Parris. Oh, Twyla 00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:12.659 Parris. Yeah, I just looked it up. So Twyla Parris 00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:18.780 has some, like, the choirs would sing Twyla Parris' 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:25.019 music, and it was. Okay. I'm just saying. She's 00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:29.679 from Fort Worth. Oh, yeah. No, she's a Texas 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:37.800 girl. Carmen. She's great. You're going to judge 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.360 the crap out of me when you find out Carmen's 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:46.719 stuff, but I'm telling you. That must be the 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:49.260 wrong guy. I mean, it looks like he'd be the 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:51.489 right. age for the time frame although it looks 00:34:51.489 --> 00:34:54.050 like he's passed away but it says american singer 00:34:54.050 --> 00:34:58.710 and rapper yeah really yeah i don't know i don't 00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:00.710 know that i would call it's more like spoken 00:35:00.710 --> 00:35:04.630 word than it is rap i don't think i knew that 00:35:04.630 --> 00:35:09.730 he was uh dead yeah it says he died in 2021 that's 00:35:09.730 --> 00:35:12.389 he has a song called satan bite the dust yes 00:35:12.389 --> 00:35:17.489 okay who's in the house who's in the house jc 00:35:17.489 --> 00:35:23.320 yeah Tell me who, who, who, who, who. Tell me 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:28.599 who's in the house. J .C. Oh, my gosh. I'm just 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.739 saying, and if you look this guy up, you're going 00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:37.920 to understand. But the one that always got me, 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:45.179 the champion was everybody's whatever song for 00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:50.300 a long time there. Lazarus come forth. That one 00:35:50.300 --> 00:35:55.079 will get you. Okay. And then, oh, where's the 00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:01.119 other one? We need America again has the, we 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.639 need God in America again. You know, this was 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:11.579 the, he was responding to prayer being taken 00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:14.760 out of schools. Okay. Gosh, where's the other 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:23.219 one? Is it the courtroom? I think he did one 00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:26.260 that was like the, you know, the videos that 00:36:26.260 --> 00:36:28.400 everybody played about the, you know, if you 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.800 were in a car wreck, you know, you're drinking 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.719 with your buddies and you die in a car wreck 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:34.480 and then do you go to heaven or hell? It was 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.860 a lot of stuff like that. Okay. Anyway. Okay. 00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:41.829 I'm having a hard time. Looking at some of these. 00:36:43.010 --> 00:36:46.170 Anyway, there was a lot. And I will tell you, 00:36:46.210 --> 00:36:53.969 our youth group made a music video with I Pledge 00:36:53.969 --> 00:36:59.570 Allegiance to the Lamb, which was Ray Boltz. 00:37:00.269 --> 00:37:05.230 Name sounds kind of familiar. Ray Boltz was a 00:37:05.230 --> 00:37:17.019 Christian artist. He came out of the closet in 00:37:17.019 --> 00:37:28.159 the 90s. Oh. In the 90s? I don't know. I must 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:31.280 be looking at the wrong Ray Bolts because it 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:36.119 says his spouse was Carol Bolts, which is a lady. 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.579 Oh, that's her. So he came out of the closet 00:37:38.579 --> 00:37:44.820 as somebody that struggled with homosexuality. 00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:48.420 Okay. He was a Christian, so he... Okay, fair. 00:37:51.099 --> 00:37:53.380 I don't know exactly how all that went, but it 00:37:53.380 --> 00:37:57.460 was... Because, again, I was a kid, and I didn't 00:37:57.460 --> 00:38:00.019 care at all about any of that. He's still alive, 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:06.369 but he was a really good melody. I don't know 00:38:06.369 --> 00:38:09.409 how much of the actual composition for his music 00:38:09.409 --> 00:38:12.829 he did, but I pledge allegiance to the lamb. 00:38:13.590 --> 00:38:17.349 Just saying. Okay. We made a music video. I had 00:38:17.349 --> 00:38:29.730 a solo. I was 13. Still had my little soprano 00:38:29.730 --> 00:38:34.260 voice. Okay. Yikes. I feel like I need to say, 00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:36.559 Mama Redfern, if you're listening, send that 00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:41.619 in. No. Surely she doesn't have it. She does 00:38:41.619 --> 00:38:45.219 have Bethlehem AD, I think, which was like a... 00:38:45.219 --> 00:38:49.400 We always did a youth... The youth choir was 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.699 a big deal in our church growing up. Choir in 00:38:52.699 --> 00:38:56.079 general. Anything musical, we had a big adult 00:38:56.079 --> 00:39:00.679 choir. We had a big youth choir. We did big anthems 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.989 and... Big productions for Christmas and Easter. 00:39:05.949 --> 00:39:08.010 Actually, I don't think we really did Easter. 00:39:08.110 --> 00:39:11.690 We did a lot of Christmas. But the student choir 00:39:11.690 --> 00:39:17.889 put on a production one time called Bethlehem 00:39:17.889 --> 00:39:25.090 A .D. when I was a young high schooler. And I'm 00:39:25.090 --> 00:39:29.210 just saying, I was really good in it. Okay. I'll 00:39:29.210 --> 00:39:31.780 take your word on it. About what it would be 00:39:31.780 --> 00:39:36.239 like if Jesus was born now. Now. Okay. So I was 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.000 one of the shepherds, which were car mechanics. 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:46.039 Okay. And brought the house down. Okay. Me and 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:54.940 my buddy Brian. Anyway. Okay. Yeah. We've gone 00:39:54.940 --> 00:39:57.840 way too far into the. Yes, we did. Other stuff 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.300 here. I don't even know how we. Got back on that. 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.500 Oh, it was the technology and then old music 00:40:03.500 --> 00:40:07.840 and what we were listening to, and I was not 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.900 listening to anything y 'all would really care 00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:16.059 about. Anyway. So in terms of keeping the church 00:40:16.059 --> 00:40:18.360 legal. In terms of keeping the church legal. 00:40:18.380 --> 00:40:21.920 What are you specifically doing around audio 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:27.210 and video? Okay, so this has changed a lot. as 00:40:27.210 --> 00:40:30.030 well because you know in the beginning what we 00:40:30.030 --> 00:40:33.349 were really in the beginning whenever i became 00:40:33.349 --> 00:40:37.809 cognizant of this as a thing you know any kind 00:40:37.809 --> 00:40:42.809 of protection for intellectual property i've 00:40:42.809 --> 00:40:46.190 always been really um tried to be really mindful 00:40:46.190 --> 00:40:49.289 as someone who was a musician i didn't really 00:40:49.289 --> 00:40:53.070 have a lot of aspiration i mean anybody who picks 00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:57.420 up a guitar or drums or start singing in any 00:40:57.420 --> 00:41:04.880 kind of, uh, I don't know, in front of people 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:09.420 type way. There's your, there's going to be thoughts 00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:14.679 of like recording or traveling and you got to 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.840 analyze, excuse me, all of that. And I never 00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.320 really like all of that stuff. Of course I thought 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:25.400 about, but at the same time, I always, I was 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.559 pretty cognizant of the fact that I was not good 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.739 enough to really do any of those things. I really 00:41:30.739 --> 00:41:35.639 wanted to focus. I felt like my gifting laid 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:42.420 more with being local and helping people who 00:41:42.420 --> 00:41:46.800 were more in my area. Not a whole lot of reason 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.900 to record. Definitely no reason to go travel 00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:56.039 anywhere. But being a musician, I was always 00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.059 very sensitive to and had a lot of friends who 00:41:59.059 --> 00:42:04.239 were artists, who I would say the word artist 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:10.360 applied to, and wanting to make sure that I was 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:14.179 protecting people who were trying to make money 00:42:14.179 --> 00:42:20.000 off of intellectual property. And that's really, 00:42:20.139 --> 00:42:23.889 like, honestly, when you... When you're walking 00:42:23.889 --> 00:42:27.349 down that path, when you're trying to be mindful 00:42:27.349 --> 00:42:30.750 of that sort of thing, you can still make a whole 00:42:30.750 --> 00:42:33.829 lot of mistakes. Sure. Because not all of it 00:42:33.829 --> 00:42:37.389 is intuitive, and it really doesn't make sense 00:42:37.389 --> 00:42:40.650 who gets money for what. No. None of that makes 00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:45.429 any sense to me. Nope. Looking at you, Spotify. 00:42:47.070 --> 00:42:50.130 I remember having a real problem whenever everybody 00:42:50.130 --> 00:42:52.750 showed up at Pine Cove wanting to use Spotify, 00:42:52.989 --> 00:42:55.369 and I was like, I get it. This tool is great 00:42:55.369 --> 00:42:57.650 for you, but they're not paying artists anything 00:42:57.650 --> 00:43:00.630 or very little, and so I don't think we should 00:43:00.630 --> 00:43:02.510 do this because we have artists who come here, 00:43:02.650 --> 00:43:05.010 and if they see that we're using Spotify, if 00:43:05.010 --> 00:43:06.269 they know anything about it, they're probably 00:43:06.269 --> 00:43:09.630 going to get frustrated. Turns out they might 00:43:09.630 --> 00:43:12.550 not have even known or cared as much as I did, 00:43:12.630 --> 00:43:15.349 but still, it just did not seem like the right 00:43:15.349 --> 00:43:21.440 thing to do. Then again, neither was using Apple 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.480 Music for, I mean, they were better, but not 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:28.380 what it should be. And it never will be. I remember 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:32.199 hearing Prince talk about this because he was 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:37.360 on a late night show where Mariah Carey had evidently 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.619 just signed some ginormous contract. And he was 00:43:40.619 --> 00:43:42.079 like, oh, y 'all think that was a good contract? 00:43:46.409 --> 00:43:48.469 and he was like let me break this down for you 00:43:48.469 --> 00:43:54.570 and he was like if i if i make an album and you 00:43:54.570 --> 00:44:00.230 like are gonna uh distribute it for me how much 00:44:00.230 --> 00:44:02.849 do you think that i should get of that like so 00:44:02.849 --> 00:44:06.449 an an album costs and i think he was like i don't 00:44:06.449 --> 00:44:09.949 know twelve dollars it was like i don't maybe 00:44:09.949 --> 00:44:12.210 eighteen dollars i can't remember what the like 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.719 And I don't remember if they were talking about 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.760 a song or, you know, either way. Like, you can 00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.099 look this up. And Prince, of course, is going 00:44:21.099 --> 00:44:23.300 to do a way better job than me. And he basically 00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:28.619 walked the Tonight Show host. I don't remember 00:44:28.619 --> 00:44:31.039 which Tonight Show it was. Well, I don't know 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.380 if it was actually Leno or if it was, oh, my 00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:39.619 gosh, Letterman or, I mean, maybe Conan. Conan 00:44:39.619 --> 00:44:42.599 O 'Brien. But one of those guys, he's walking 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:44.780 through, like, this is what that would look like 00:44:44.780 --> 00:44:47.619 if I, if, cause everybody's like half, like that 00:44:47.619 --> 00:44:49.219 makes sense. Like the artists would get half 00:44:49.219 --> 00:44:53.059 like, okay. So that means that you then would, 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.260 you know, earn this much money. All you have 00:44:57.260 --> 00:45:00.619 to do is, is sell this many albums. And I, I 00:45:00.619 --> 00:45:02.840 mean, he, he said some ridiculous number of like 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.239 albums, but evidently for like Prince and Mariah 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.760 Carey, this is a very small number of albums 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.199 like to do a million or 3 million or something 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.150 like that. And he's like, Whatever deal she just 00:45:14.150 --> 00:45:20.389 made paled in comparison to the numbers that 00:45:20.389 --> 00:45:25.130 you would get if you were actually making half 00:45:25.130 --> 00:45:29.570 on every record. It is pennies for the amount 00:45:29.570 --> 00:45:32.329 of work that's done. And I'm not trying to like, 00:45:32.449 --> 00:45:39.389 I don't know, downplay what everybody else is 00:45:39.389 --> 00:45:43.869 doing in the music industry. I'm going to get 00:45:43.869 --> 00:45:45.789 real close to the mic here for this part. Oh, 00:45:45.869 --> 00:45:52.849 but you've got no job without the person making 00:45:52.849 --> 00:45:59.329 the music. Yeah. Can we just be real honest about 00:45:59.329 --> 00:46:04.050 that? Like you don't get to make money off this. 00:46:06.030 --> 00:46:11.949 If this person doesn't exist. True. And so maybe 00:46:11.949 --> 00:46:13.820 they should get more. That's all I'm saying. 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:19.659 Than every other person involved. We talk about 00:46:19.659 --> 00:46:23.179 intellectual property. Musicians, it feels like, 00:46:23.260 --> 00:46:26.440 and I'm sure there's some other part that I'm 00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:30.199 not giving enough credit to or another industry 00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:35.659 that gets raked across the coals more than musicians. 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.320 the way that it happens with musicians really 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.320 is troubling to me. And all of that to say, what 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:47.199 I've tried to do is do this correctly in order 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:49.840 to make sure that that happens the way it's supposed 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:54.280 to, because then at least they get something. 00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.400 So back in the day, you know, I talked about 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:04.119 how, when we were singing hymns, all you had 00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:08.179 to really do was buy the hymnal. And then with 00:47:08.179 --> 00:47:13.239 each hymnal that you had, there was a percentage 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:19.219 that went to the hymn writers that were not public 00:47:19.219 --> 00:47:22.380 domain by this point, which a lot of them were. 00:47:23.659 --> 00:47:31.019 Anyway, there's a lot to it. But when all of 00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:36.139 this became digital, which is when I really started, 00:47:36.619 --> 00:47:43.260 I'm doing this for a job. Really, the only name 00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:45.840 in that game, and it's the same people that were 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.719 making the hymnals, I think, before, is CCLI, 00:47:48.980 --> 00:47:53.480 Christian Copyright Licensing or something like 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.059 that. And so they've got rights to all of this 00:47:58.059 --> 00:48:04.019 music, and they will sell you the ability to... 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:10.199 You know, you can, you had to, at the beginning, 00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:12.380 it was just like, if you used it in a Sunday 00:48:12.380 --> 00:48:14.199 morning, you had to, you had to say how many 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:19.239 copies you printed for whatever musicians or 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:21.639 choir members. And you had to say of what kind 00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:25.780 it was. Are you printing the, you know, SATB, 00:48:25.780 --> 00:48:28.920 sorry, soprano, alto, tenor, bass, like music? 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.969 Are you printing the piano? whatever are you 00:48:31.969 --> 00:48:33.690 printing lead sheets are you reading are you 00:48:33.690 --> 00:48:36.469 printing chord sheets and i can't remember all 00:48:36.469 --> 00:48:38.550 the different like ways that you would say what 00:48:38.550 --> 00:48:40.829 you were doing and how many you were doing of 00:48:40.829 --> 00:48:43.070 each one i was always in small churches so this 00:48:43.070 --> 00:48:45.969 wasn't really that big of a deal it was a very 00:48:45.969 --> 00:48:47.909 administrative task but you would do that for 00:48:47.909 --> 00:48:50.550 each song that you played on a sunday morning 00:48:50.550 --> 00:48:53.750 and you would pray that you had picked public 00:48:53.750 --> 00:48:57.329 domain because you just like it's just so much 00:48:57.329 --> 00:49:00.429 less to worry about like you don't have to do 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.139 any of this but um the point is then the songs 00:49:05.139 --> 00:49:08.360 that um you you send in these reports like you 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:12.519 you pay for the whole thing and you don't you 00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:14.900 don't really you pay because of the size of your 00:49:14.900 --> 00:49:17.260 church yeah um is basically what you're paying 00:49:17.260 --> 00:49:20.320 a license for the size of your church no big 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:24.300 deal but then they would ask you to track all 00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:32.679 these things in order to then reward the you 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:36.239 know, songwriters that were, were being used 00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:39.840 more often. Correct. And it was especially important 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.920 if you printed something out. Well, then the 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:47.480 iPad shows up and now they're like, all right, 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:51.739 how are we going to do this? And so then they 00:49:51.739 --> 00:49:55.239 start trying to figure out, okay, so we're going 00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:59.719 to, we're going to sell licenses to these and 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:03.679 how many times they're accessed can be recorded 00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:08.840 um based on whatever software you're using to 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:15.519 then bring them in and like it got so convoluted 00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.260 there at the beginning of them trying to figure 00:50:17.260 --> 00:50:20.480 this out that it was like i'm out like i i want 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.480 to help i really do i i'll tell you what songs 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.679 i'm playing but really i'm really i'm not like 00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:30.019 we're not i don't have time Correct. To figure 00:50:30.019 --> 00:50:32.659 all of this out for you. Like, I'm going to tell 00:50:32.659 --> 00:50:36.599 you that I'm doing these songs. The huge majority 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:40.679 of the time now, that part is actually pretty 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:52.719 easy. There are most of the software that's used 00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:59.679 to... distribute songs to bands that are all 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:04.880 playing together um that that can that can count 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:08.880 those um and that makes that makes perfect sense 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.199 like that all this is digital there should be 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.739 a record of this absolutely i shouldn't have 00:51:13.739 --> 00:51:17.599 to say well i bought five copies of this song 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:25.579 because did you or do you just have you know, 00:51:25.619 --> 00:51:31.099 an infinity license for that song. Well, I didn't 00:51:31.099 --> 00:51:35.360 report infinity. I reported five. And so really 00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:40.679 I've only got five. It got so weird. Now, not 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.219 only do you have to have, you know, either CCLI, 00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:49.880 multitracks, like all of this then got more complicated 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.920 because then in 2020, everything went online. 00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.300 And it wasn't just the churches that were big 00:51:56.300 --> 00:52:04.360 enough to have some sort of TV ministry or whatever. 00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:07.679 It was everybody has to be online or your church 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.519 doesn't have a presence because nobody's coming. 00:52:12.820 --> 00:52:17.639 Then it became, whoa, you have a license for... 00:52:21.289 --> 00:52:25.130 doing all of this stuff in a in a service with 00:52:25.130 --> 00:52:28.469 people who are present you don't have a license 00:52:28.469 --> 00:52:31.269 for streaming streaming yeah so now you need 00:52:31.269 --> 00:52:33.949 a license for doing um all of this with people 00:52:33.949 --> 00:52:36.510 who are present and then you need a license for 00:52:36.510 --> 00:52:41.349 streaming yep and then you need another license 00:52:41.349 --> 00:52:46.900 to leave it up yes so This is where you see, 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.280 I mean, I've gotten a lot of feedback on this 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.460 as well from different people in our church. 00:52:52.699 --> 00:52:55.880 We have an in -person service, of course, now 00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:00.920 that we're past COVID stuff. We still stream, 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.099 and we have licenses for both of those things. 00:53:04.300 --> 00:53:07.000 What we don't have a license for is leaving anything 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:14.800 up. So what we do is we... are in person and 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:18.179 we stream and then as soon as that uh stream 00:53:18.179 --> 00:53:24.860 goes to you know past present or whatever we 00:53:24.860 --> 00:53:29.860 cut the recording of it down to the sermon yeah 00:53:29.860 --> 00:53:32.139 in as timely a fashion as we can i'm talking 00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:36.059 less than a day we we cut that down and we cut 00:53:36.059 --> 00:53:38.519 the music out so it's just a sermon so the only 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.880 thing that lives on our website is the sermons 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.429 correct um No, I've not gone back and done all 00:53:44.429 --> 00:53:48.989 of the services that we did before all of this. 00:53:51.050 --> 00:53:53.909 That's what the intern's for. Please have mercy. 00:53:54.090 --> 00:53:58.409 We don't have interns. Can't pay interns. No, 00:53:58.469 --> 00:54:02.210 intern's not a paid position. Yeah, no, that's 00:54:02.210 --> 00:54:08.989 called a, never mind. But I've talked to lawyers 00:54:08.989 --> 00:54:13.420 over this. I have tried as hard as I could to 00:54:13.420 --> 00:54:18.079 not just, not just do the spirit of the law, 00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.440 but the letter of the law and like all of these 00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:23.239 different things. And it's always been one of 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.860 those, like, I mean, if somebody comes after 00:54:25.860 --> 00:54:27.739 us, they're going to come after us. Correct. 00:54:27.860 --> 00:54:31.500 And that's really hard, but we're trying to do 00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:34.139 this the right way. Yeah. I feel like if somebody 00:54:34.139 --> 00:54:36.480 came after us today, just be like, well, my job 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.909 for the next. you know the rest of the year is 00:54:39.909 --> 00:54:43.329 going to be to a bunch of editing try to do compliance 00:54:43.329 --> 00:54:48.750 yeah um as fast as possible yeah um and until 00:54:48.750 --> 00:54:50.670 then we'll just take everything down yeah and 00:54:50.670 --> 00:54:52.349 that's the hard part about this is you don't 00:54:52.349 --> 00:54:54.110 want to lose your archive like you don't want 00:54:54.110 --> 00:54:56.329 to lose all of the stuff that you put out there 00:54:56.329 --> 00:55:01.750 but you might have to because it's not anyway 00:55:01.750 --> 00:55:06.489 yeah the good news is places like facebook will 00:55:06.489 --> 00:55:11.400 just They're fine with letting you have your 00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:15.380 songs going during the live stream. As soon as 00:55:15.380 --> 00:55:19.539 that thing goes public, all of the little bots 00:55:19.539 --> 00:55:21.840 attack and are like, we own that, we own that, 00:55:21.860 --> 00:55:23.480 we own that. I'm like, great, mute it. I don't 00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:31.199 care. I go to the ones that stay up and I delete 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:36.019 there. That we attach to, YouTube, Vimeo, we 00:55:36.019 --> 00:55:39.489 edit all of that stuff. And then we bring it 00:55:39.489 --> 00:55:44.570 down. And that's not even counting CVLI, which 00:55:44.570 --> 00:55:52.230 is the new hotness for trying to pay for licensing. 00:55:53.530 --> 00:55:58.530 Because pastors like sermon illustrations. Yes, 00:55:58.570 --> 00:56:01.550 they do. And movies give some great sermon illustrations. 00:56:02.090 --> 00:56:04.730 Correct. And so having to pay for that stuff 00:56:04.730 --> 00:56:09.130 and pay for it. Be in the room and pay for it 00:56:09.130 --> 00:56:13.690 to be live streamed and pay for it to live on. 00:56:13.750 --> 00:56:18.210 Like, you know, it's all a different thing. And 00:56:18.210 --> 00:56:22.989 like, again, like I'm on the side of wanting 00:56:22.989 --> 00:56:26.369 people to get paid for what they have done. I'm 00:56:26.369 --> 00:56:31.349 not trying to rob anybody. There is an element 00:56:31.349 --> 00:56:36.980 of being so tired. Yeah. That it's like. I mean, 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:38.760 yeah, just tell me how much we owe and we'll 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.780 figure out how to send you a check because I 00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:47.199 don't have the margin for this in my life. No. 00:56:48.340 --> 00:56:50.480 Listen, I'm trying to keep my kids out of jail. 00:56:50.980 --> 00:56:57.039 Yeah. Don't come at me. Yeah. Yeah, we use CCLI 00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:02.699 as well, but even where that gets weird when 00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:07.079 you start looking into the verbiage. It says 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:12.679 that it's good for the service. So when you look 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.820 at a Christian camp, you're going, what defines 00:57:15.820 --> 00:57:20.880 a service? Exactly. Is that just the club time? 00:57:22.500 --> 00:57:30.800 How is that for mealtimes? What about it's raining 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:34.489 and you've got to get people inside? It gets 00:57:34.489 --> 00:57:37.969 really blurry really, really fast. And I will 00:57:37.969 --> 00:57:51.090 tell you, there's a lot of... That's not as gray 00:57:51.090 --> 00:57:53.750 as we want it to be. What's actually written 00:57:53.750 --> 00:58:01.869 there is pretty... specific about what this can 00:58:01.869 --> 00:58:04.909 be used for and what it can't. And we're not 00:58:04.909 --> 00:58:10.449 doing that. Yeah. So it's like, there's, there's 00:58:10.449 --> 00:58:12.989 a lot of, there's a lot of trying to figure that 00:58:12.989 --> 00:58:16.710 out. And I think trying to, I think, I mean, 00:58:16.769 --> 00:58:21.889 you know, honestly, again, I'm not trying to. 00:58:22.269 --> 00:58:24.869 make somebody else make money inside of that. 00:58:24.889 --> 00:58:27.570 I'm not trying to add another person to pay inside 00:58:27.570 --> 00:58:29.929 of this, but it does seem like there is some 00:58:29.929 --> 00:58:37.969 sort of, uh, hole in this. That is the person 00:58:37.969 --> 00:58:41.389 who is making this simpler for somebody who's 00:58:41.389 --> 00:58:44.769 just trying to do it right, but doesn't know 00:58:44.769 --> 00:58:48.150 what, what they're looking for, um, in terms 00:58:48.150 --> 00:58:52.960 of this. So you look at different, um, I mean, 00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:55.219 that was the hardest thing for me inside of... 00:58:55.219 --> 00:59:05.380 In a worship service, CCLI works because you're 00:59:05.380 --> 00:59:12.360 paying for the thing that makes it possible for 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:20.659 all of the musicians to be able to make this 00:59:20.659 --> 00:59:28.610 song happen. I'm not talking at all about playing 00:59:28.610 --> 00:59:38.690 music from a computer over a system that everybody 00:59:38.690 --> 00:59:43.550 can hear. Because technically that's not what 00:59:43.550 --> 00:59:47.909 any of these things are for. Now, there is a 00:59:47.909 --> 00:59:55.289 provision for... And again, you have to pay money 00:59:55.289 --> 00:59:58.849 for it. But there is a provision for inside of 00:59:58.849 --> 01:00:04.489 worship services being able to use songs. At 01:00:04.489 --> 01:00:09.929 a camp does not seem like mealtime is a worship 01:00:09.929 --> 01:00:17.090 service. No. Sure they pray. Yes. But like, what 01:00:17.090 --> 01:00:21.489 are we doing? Yep. And that's so hard to like, 01:00:21.489 --> 01:00:24.670 then be the guy who has to tell everybody like, 01:00:24.730 --> 01:00:28.929 look, we got to figure out a way to do this. 01:00:28.929 --> 01:00:34.530 Like, like imagine we're a, we're a Starbucks. 01:00:35.829 --> 01:00:38.510 Imagine we want a playlist playing while people 01:00:38.510 --> 01:00:44.769 are sipping on their mocha. What do we have to 01:00:44.769 --> 01:00:47.889 do? Yeah. And it's a very different world. Absolutely. 01:00:53.630 --> 01:00:56.989 The one interesting story I can share on this 01:00:56.989 --> 01:00:59.670 comes from Jason. And I don't know if he may 01:00:59.670 --> 01:01:01.250 have told you this before. I don't think so. 01:01:01.489 --> 01:01:07.110 But at one of his dad's, I guess it was a restaurant 01:01:07.110 --> 01:01:10.489 maybe, that had a gift shop that they played 01:01:10.489 --> 01:01:13.369 music. And a guy was in there and was asking 01:01:13.369 --> 01:01:16.570 about the music that they were playing. And then 01:01:16.570 --> 01:01:21.750 he just kind of let in with like, so how are 01:01:21.750 --> 01:01:25.050 you doing that legally and his dad was able to 01:01:25.050 --> 01:01:28.670 go oh here's the cd we sell it in the gift shop 01:01:28.670 --> 01:01:32.250 yeah and then the guy knew oh i don't have any 01:01:32.250 --> 01:01:36.050 where to go here right and left whereas if they 01:01:36.050 --> 01:01:37.949 had just simply bought a cd and were playing 01:01:37.949 --> 01:01:40.369 it right he thought he was about to ready to 01:01:40.369 --> 01:01:43.889 be like oh yeah i gotcha so that's kind of an 01:01:43.889 --> 01:01:46.809 interesting story of some of the ways that you 01:01:46.809 --> 01:01:50.489 can cover yourself to some degree oh there's 01:01:50.489 --> 01:01:53.989 plenty of people that are looking for a fight 01:01:53.989 --> 01:01:57.510 oh yeah um yeah and to me it's one of the biggest 01:01:57.510 --> 01:02:00.449 concerns that i have with what we do yeah because 01:02:00.449 --> 01:02:04.829 it's inevitable with the reach that pine cove 01:02:04.829 --> 01:02:08.030 has yeah that eventually someone's going to come 01:02:08.030 --> 01:02:09.829 on property and they're going to understand what 01:02:09.829 --> 01:02:11.929 we're doing and they're going to start poking 01:02:11.929 --> 01:02:14.489 around and asking questions And then we're going 01:02:14.489 --> 01:02:15.969 to see what happens. And some of them are going 01:02:15.969 --> 01:02:18.429 to be answerable and some of them are not. Correct. 01:02:18.650 --> 01:02:21.010 And that's the hard thing is like the number 01:02:21.010 --> 01:02:24.949 of like the variety, like the, where all these, 01:02:24.969 --> 01:02:27.590 all this music is coming from. There are plenty 01:02:27.590 --> 01:02:29.469 of them that are like, Oh yeah, no, we, that, 01:02:29.570 --> 01:02:33.789 that one is totally covered. Yeah. And then you're 01:02:33.789 --> 01:02:39.929 like, did you just play? Where'd you get that? 01:02:40.349 --> 01:02:44.239 Yeah. Back in the day, we tried to do a better 01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:47.500 job of that. Sorry. We tried to do a good job 01:02:47.500 --> 01:02:51.320 of that. I don't know what the status of that 01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:55.860 is now. I don't imagine it's gotten easier. But 01:02:55.860 --> 01:03:01.340 for online content, things that you get off of 01:03:01.340 --> 01:03:06.119 different things, maybe a YouTube video or something 01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.420 like that, you've got to purchase a license. 01:03:09.070 --> 01:03:11.849 Um, for the copyrighted music you wish to use 01:03:11.849 --> 01:03:16.590 in a public setting. Yep. Um, if you want to 01:03:16.590 --> 01:03:19.150 use public domain music, that's always an option. 01:03:20.050 --> 01:03:23.110 I think, you know, there's some really good public 01:03:23.110 --> 01:03:25.489 domain music. They've, they've basically entered 01:03:25.489 --> 01:03:28.349 into an agreement where, you know, you pay for 01:03:28.349 --> 01:03:32.869 this thing or you whatever, and you can use all 01:03:32.869 --> 01:03:36.449 of these, this different music. That's what it's 01:03:36.449 --> 01:03:40.929 there for. You can compose and use your own background 01:03:40.929 --> 01:03:44.949 music. That's something that you definitely own 01:03:44.949 --> 01:03:50.809 the rights to. You subscribe to or purchase music 01:03:50.809 --> 01:03:53.670 from a licensing service or the YouTube audio 01:03:53.670 --> 01:03:55.690 library. What I really appreciated about Pine 01:03:55.690 --> 01:03:58.789 Cove, and this was actually a friend of mine 01:03:58.789 --> 01:04:03.219 who... made this happen and then he when he went 01:04:03.219 --> 01:04:04.860 to get his master's one of the things that he 01:04:04.860 --> 01:04:07.260 really focused on was um copyright law inside 01:04:07.260 --> 01:04:12.579 of this but he would be the guy who panko was 01:04:12.579 --> 01:04:18.539 um one of the things that they really that they 01:04:18.539 --> 01:04:22.920 used to offer that was a i thought a big selling 01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.199 well not a selling point it was just a like it 01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:29.019 was a it was a nice thing They would do these 01:04:29.019 --> 01:04:34.960 videos for every week of camp. At every camp, 01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:38.460 they would do a video for the whole week where 01:04:38.460 --> 01:04:42.380 they would show all the kids, and they'd get 01:04:42.380 --> 01:04:44.420 as many kids in the video as they could, and 01:04:44.420 --> 01:04:50.119 they'd be fun and fast -paced. you know, then 01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:52.300 meaningful. And like, they would just try to 01:04:52.300 --> 01:04:54.440 do this range of emotions, but they always used 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:59.760 a few songs for it. And I was always, I guess, 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:05.260 skeptical inside of it. I was like, I'm not sure 01:05:05.260 --> 01:05:07.960 we're doing this the right way. But then I found 01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:11.340 out after being there for long enough, no, they 01:05:11.340 --> 01:05:14.599 reach out directly to the artists that they use 01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:19.989 for the videos for each of these. And it was 01:05:19.989 --> 01:05:23.869 the same one for the whole summer or the same 01:05:23.869 --> 01:05:26.389 songs for the whole summer, but different at 01:05:26.389 --> 01:05:29.510 each camp. Yep. And they would get permission 01:05:29.510 --> 01:05:31.769 to be able to use them in these videos. And this 01:05:31.769 --> 01:05:35.690 was back before they were online. This was, we're 01:05:35.690 --> 01:05:39.849 sending these VHSs and then DVDs home with these 01:05:39.849 --> 01:05:47.070 kids. I was really impressed with the ability 01:05:47.070 --> 01:05:53.309 to stay above board inside of that. Businesses, 01:05:53.309 --> 01:05:59.889 whenever you're trying to use background music 01:05:59.889 --> 01:06:02.869 in your place of business or something like that, 01:06:03.050 --> 01:06:07.929 you either have to obtain a public performance 01:06:07.929 --> 01:06:14.750 license, which is... You pay for an annual license. 01:06:15.050 --> 01:06:20.409 It's usually like BMI, ASCAP. ASCAP, yes. Or 01:06:20.409 --> 01:06:23.329 what's the other one? Yeah, there's kind of the 01:06:23.329 --> 01:06:30.469 big three. SE something. Anyway, and then you 01:06:30.469 --> 01:06:36.269 can play the whatever music. PRO, the Performing 01:06:36.269 --> 01:06:45.059 Rights Organization. Okay. Or you can get, like 01:06:45.059 --> 01:06:57.199 a recording license that would give you more 01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:01.460 rights to the music. That's not really, I don't 01:07:01.460 --> 01:07:03.320 think that that's the one that's done more often. 01:07:03.380 --> 01:07:06.800 I think usually the public performance, I think 01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:09.719 it's called the public performance license. Anyway. 01:07:13.580 --> 01:07:18.380 The publishing or the sound recording license 01:07:18.380 --> 01:07:22.300 is, or sound recording license? Anyway, those 01:07:22.300 --> 01:07:24.920 are the ones that like, that's the like legal 01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:29.139 agreement that Pine Cove would go into and get 01:07:29.139 --> 01:07:35.099 with the artist and the, you know, whoever actually 01:07:35.099 --> 01:07:37.539 owns the music because it's barely ever the artist. 01:07:37.780 --> 01:07:41.829 Yep. When Taylor Swift came out with that album 01:07:41.829 --> 01:07:44.909 that was like, what'd she call it? My version 01:07:44.909 --> 01:07:47.630 or something like that. Like she re -recorded 01:07:47.630 --> 01:07:50.909 all of her music so that she could own the masters 01:07:50.909 --> 01:07:56.170 instead of the, and then, and then she like re 01:07:56.170 --> 01:08:01.829 -released everything as, you know, I think it 01:08:01.829 --> 01:08:04.150 was like my version or something like that. It's 01:08:04.150 --> 01:08:06.150 funny because like fans went out and bought it. 01:08:07.090 --> 01:08:11.990 It's the same music that they already had. Except 01:08:11.990 --> 01:08:14.929 Taylor Swift owns the rights to it as opposed 01:08:14.929 --> 01:08:20.149 to whoever she had an agreement with. I mean, 01:08:20.189 --> 01:08:25.609 nothing against that at all, but it's kind of 01:08:25.609 --> 01:08:34.109 funny that that's the loophole here. Yeah. Is 01:08:34.109 --> 01:08:39.680 to be able to record and then own. It's not, 01:08:39.699 --> 01:08:42.680 I mean, you're not even, that was a weird thing. 01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.420 You remember the, um, did you hear about the 01:08:45.420 --> 01:08:52.260 Ed Sheeran, um, lawsuit? No. So somebody, um, 01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:57.359 and I don't, I don't know if it's the band or 01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:00.819 if it's just the, whoever again owns the rights 01:09:00.819 --> 01:09:04.510 to. some music. And I think it was like from 01:09:04.510 --> 01:09:07.670 the seventies or eighties, there was a song that 01:09:07.670 --> 01:09:13.590 sounded like one of his songs. Okay. And by sounded 01:09:13.590 --> 01:09:16.109 like, I mean, the chord progression was the same. 01:09:16.430 --> 01:09:20.609 Okay. And, and you can hear it. Like, I'm not, 01:09:20.630 --> 01:09:22.369 I'm not saying that you can't hear it. I'm not 01:09:22.369 --> 01:09:26.930 saying that the melody is. totally different 01:09:26.930 --> 01:09:29.850 and whatever i i mean you can hear the similarities 01:09:29.850 --> 01:09:32.130 if you like the show then how about donating 01:09:32.130 --> 01:09:34.270 will they save you money on therapy do you think 01:09:34.270 --> 01:09:37.409 you also listen to the whole song and you're 01:09:37.409 --> 01:09:40.810 like i don't think he ripped off your song like 01:09:40.810 --> 01:09:43.350 i don't know how to there's a section of it that 01:09:43.350 --> 01:09:50.930 kind of sounds similar sure so instead of like 01:09:50.930 --> 01:09:57.260 just settling Ed Sheeran goes to court and in 01:09:57.260 --> 01:10:02.020 front of the, um, I think it's like a jury and 01:10:02.020 --> 01:10:05.199 everything like in front of everybody whips out 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:08.640 his little guitar. And it was like, you know, 01:10:08.659 --> 01:10:11.739 this is what we're being whatever. And he's like, 01:10:11.779 --> 01:10:17.100 this is a song that they're telling me is, uh, 01:10:17.340 --> 01:10:20.960 the original song. This is what mine sounds like. 01:10:20.979 --> 01:10:23.470 And he played like he's this guy's an incredible 01:10:23.470 --> 01:10:27.569 musician he plays his song and then he like is 01:10:27.569 --> 01:10:30.649 like but these are not the only songs that have 01:10:30.649 --> 01:10:36.170 this progression progression inside of them and 01:10:36.170 --> 01:10:40.189 he starts playing like i mean it's funny because 01:10:40.189 --> 01:10:43.250 christian music gets accused of this all the 01:10:43.250 --> 01:10:46.949 time you're just playing one four five six like 01:10:46.949 --> 01:10:49.750 one or you know some combination of one four 01:10:49.750 --> 01:10:53.199 five and six chords and that's it and i'm like 01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:59.020 great yeah there there is a like in every chord 01:10:59.020 --> 01:11:02.399 progression or in every uh scale there is a one 01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:08.000 a major one sorry a major uh the the one chord 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:14.319 is a major chord the two chord is um minor usually 01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:18.460 minor three usually minor four major five major 01:11:18.460 --> 01:11:23.659 six minor seven is like augmented and then back 01:11:23.659 --> 01:11:27.380 to one the chords that everybody really like 01:11:27.380 --> 01:11:36.720 at least in western pop and i would say i not 01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:41.000 to like throw everybody else completely off if 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.260 you're not playing jazz you're usually playing 01:11:44.260 --> 01:11:47.869 one four five and six um and there's a few different 01:11:47.869 --> 01:11:50.489 like oh we're more musical than that or whatever 01:11:50.489 --> 01:11:54.529 the backbone of most like catchy things have 01:11:54.529 --> 01:11:59.489 this 154 whatever to him and so he plays all 01:11:59.489 --> 01:12:01.489 of these different songs like he goes from his 01:12:01.489 --> 01:12:03.630 song like that first song into his song into 01:12:03.630 --> 01:12:08.289 like people get ready there's a train coming 01:12:08.289 --> 01:12:13.210 and then like uh all these different that all 01:12:13.210 --> 01:12:14.989 have the same progression. He's like, you can't 01:12:14.989 --> 01:12:22.369 own this progression. It's in too much. And it's 01:12:22.369 --> 01:12:27.029 that like, how in the world are we supposed to 01:12:27.029 --> 01:12:33.949 have intellectual property? Number one, when 01:12:33.949 --> 01:12:37.750 you got people that are that talented, they're 01:12:37.750 --> 01:12:39.369 like, no, I'll just play all of it right now, 01:12:39.449 --> 01:12:41.390 right here in front of you. What do you want? 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:47.779 Yeah. And then when it's like, there's a reason 01:12:47.779 --> 01:12:50.840 that this is catchy. It's because it's kind of, 01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:53.180 it kind of reminds you of something that you 01:12:53.180 --> 01:12:57.899 know. Correct. And everybody has these like ties 01:12:57.899 --> 01:13:01.520 back to, I don't know, twinkle, twinkle little 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:04.539 star. Yeah. It all seems to follow some type 01:13:04.539 --> 01:13:08.600 of a melodic template. Yeah. There's patterns. 01:13:08.779 --> 01:13:12.520 Yep. And. people who are really good at patterns 01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:18.520 can see even the vague ones yep and for taylor 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:20.359 swift every song just has to do with how the 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:24.840 guy did you wrong so help me and yet i have a 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:28.600 friend who's like so like she's such a good songwriter 01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.800 and she's so amazing and i'm not trying to detract 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.829 from taylor swift like i don't I don't have anything 01:13:34.829 --> 01:13:37.329 against her. I think that she is really talented. 01:13:37.630 --> 01:13:41.609 I think you're a songwriter. That's not an easy 01:13:41.609 --> 01:13:46.270 thing to do. Sure. Also, I'm not listening to 01:13:46.270 --> 01:13:50.729 anything that you write because, oh my gosh, 01:13:50.970 --> 01:13:53.310 this is why I stopped listening to country music. 01:13:53.489 --> 01:13:59.329 I don't know. Stop it. Play it backwards and 01:13:59.329 --> 01:14:02.949 you get everything back. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't. 01:14:03.590 --> 01:14:05.170 I just don't want to hear about your breakup. 01:14:05.310 --> 01:14:08.050 I don't want to hear about it. Yes. And I'm pretty 01:14:08.050 --> 01:14:09.670 sure if it's a popular song, that's what it's 01:14:09.670 --> 01:14:12.130 going to be about. And at some point, if you've 01:14:12.130 --> 01:14:14.869 had that many breakups, there's a common denominator, 01:14:15.109 --> 01:14:18.130 folks. Nobody wants to talk about that. Yeah. 01:14:18.229 --> 01:14:20.729 I was actually joking with my wife and daughter 01:14:20.729 --> 01:14:22.810 about her the other day because they love to 01:14:22.810 --> 01:14:26.010 listen to her music. Yeah. And I have determined 01:14:26.010 --> 01:14:29.239 that she's a succubus. She's a succubus. Well, 01:14:29.260 --> 01:14:30.880 look at what she's done to Jason Kelsey. Yeah, 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.760 I know. What has happened to that man? That man 01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:34.800 cannot play football anymore right now. And it 01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:38.199 started last year. It's gotten worse this year. 01:14:38.220 --> 01:14:44.520 This year, he's the suck in succubus. He is. 01:14:44.779 --> 01:14:48.220 For sure. I don't know. I mean, whatever. It's 01:14:48.220 --> 01:14:50.560 funny because, again, I don't have anything against 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:54.039 her. And I think Jason and Travis especially. 01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:57.020 whenever they get together they're hilarious 01:14:57.020 --> 01:15:02.359 and i wish all of the luck in the world to i 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:07.140 can't say the eagles i just like i really like 01:15:07.140 --> 01:15:09.939 jason but at the same time i'm like that's what 01:15:09.939 --> 01:15:11.659 happens when you're a cowboys fan well i'm not 01:15:11.659 --> 01:15:14.640 really like i okay i say that i am a cowboys 01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:20.760 fan i have i have lived in north texas for so 01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:24.960 much of my life i feel like a poser if i if i 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:28.500 cheer for anybody else like it's i mean it's 01:15:28.500 --> 01:15:29.960 the same way with the rangers there's plenty 01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:31.579 of decisions that the rangers have made that 01:15:31.579 --> 01:15:34.779 i'm like are you kidding me yeah and now the 01:15:34.779 --> 01:15:37.319 mavericks most recently like all of the well 01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:39.279 not most recently the cowboys again are in the 01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:44.140 you know top prize for moron of the year i don't 01:15:44.140 --> 01:15:46.819 i don't understand i don't like i don't understand 01:15:46.819 --> 01:15:49.960 how there's not somebody that can pull a ripcord 01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:55.699 on jerry jones but like It's so bad, so bad. 01:15:57.020 --> 01:16:02.260 The moment I see a fan refer to them as America's 01:16:02.260 --> 01:16:05.520 team, I'm like, you are living in the 70s. You 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:10.340 don't realize. I understand people were talking 01:16:10.340 --> 01:16:11.939 about it in the 90s because they were winning, 01:16:12.060 --> 01:16:17.119 but America's team was Tom Landry's Cowboys, 01:16:17.220 --> 01:16:23.000 not whatever it's become after. jones fired him 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:29.939 like yeah what a joke yeah anyway and now it's 01:16:29.939 --> 01:16:33.739 just you know shockingly obvious that he has 01:16:33.739 --> 01:16:39.300 no idea what he's doing no he can't blame everybody 01:16:39.300 --> 01:16:41.539 else over and over and over again switch out 01:16:41.539 --> 01:16:43.300 that person and then it's still be their fault 01:16:43.300 --> 01:16:46.840 it's him he's the problem anyway all that to 01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:53.380 say like I want to be able to like the Eagles 01:16:53.380 --> 01:17:02.100 because of how, I guess, is winsome a word you 01:17:02.100 --> 01:17:06.960 can use for Jason Kelsey? Maybe. He's just a 01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:09.319 likable guy. I want to have a beer with him. 01:17:10.380 --> 01:17:13.720 Not garage beer, though. No, no, no, no. I want 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:16.159 to actually have a beer, not just have you pound 01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:23.229 it. let's find a beer you like yes and sure if 01:17:23.229 --> 01:17:25.130 you want to drink five of those first and then 01:17:25.130 --> 01:17:31.069 that's fine but like seems like a great guy love 01:17:31.069 --> 01:17:33.789 listening to their podcast because it's funny 01:17:33.789 --> 01:17:37.430 to hear about football from people who actually 01:17:37.430 --> 01:17:40.789 play football my uncle billy was a lot like that 01:17:40.789 --> 01:17:42.989 where you would hear about things that you're 01:17:42.989 --> 01:17:47.750 like oh really like that's how that was huh um 01:17:50.339 --> 01:17:54.380 But, I mean, just all of that is way more entertaining 01:17:54.380 --> 01:17:58.359 to me than hearing these commentators or guys 01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:02.119 that wish that they played whatever sport talk 01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:05.800 about it. I'm looking at you, Stephen A. Anyway, 01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:10.359 would much rather listen to them. And so I don't 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:19.010 have anything against Travis or Taylor. But y 01:18:19.010 --> 01:18:21.329 'all got to figure out how to like. She's killing 01:18:21.329 --> 01:18:24.850 the man. It sure looks like it. So to me, I go 01:18:24.850 --> 01:18:28.270 back to, and this is a throwback to the 80s, 01:18:28.270 --> 01:18:32.470 The Dark Crystal. Yeah. Essence of Gelfling. 01:18:33.050 --> 01:18:36.149 Essence of Gelfling. She's all essence of Kelsey. 01:18:36.850 --> 01:18:40.029 Nice. She's draining the boy. That's what I think. 01:18:40.430 --> 01:18:43.590 So, of course, I say that to my wife and my daughter. 01:18:44.210 --> 01:18:47.359 And, of course, they get bent out of shape. Or 01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:51.699 are they fans? Yes. They're not, like, Swifties, 01:18:51.699 --> 01:18:55.760 necessarily, but they enjoy her music. I mean, 01:18:55.779 --> 01:18:58.920 great. And, of course, I called her the succubus, 01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:03.939 and then you thought I, you know, just spoke 01:19:03.939 --> 01:19:06.340 some kind of heresy. Yeah, you're like, we're 01:19:06.340 --> 01:19:10.220 not going to, let's not, let's not make that 01:19:10.220 --> 01:19:17.210 line. I mean, she, boof. But again, I hope they 01:19:17.210 --> 01:19:19.750 get married and that their marriage lasts for 01:19:19.750 --> 01:19:24.329 a long time. Just everything nowadays points 01:19:24.329 --> 01:19:26.630 in the opposite direction. Correct. This is not 01:19:26.630 --> 01:19:31.369 going to go well for anybody. But prove me wrong. 01:19:31.609 --> 01:19:35.270 I would love for that to not be the case. And 01:19:35.270 --> 01:19:39.369 I would love for Travis Kelsey to remember how 01:19:39.369 --> 01:19:42.090 to play baseball. Baseball. To remember how to 01:19:42.090 --> 01:19:45.250 play football. Yep. Or hockey. You know, if you 01:19:45.250 --> 01:19:46.989 want to switch to hockey, that's fine with me. 01:19:47.109 --> 01:19:49.369 But, like, evidently they grew up playing hockey. 01:19:50.869 --> 01:19:55.130 I want you to be a successful human being. I'd 01:19:55.130 --> 01:19:56.970 be afraid to see somebody that big coming at 01:19:56.970 --> 01:19:59.869 me on the ice. I agree, but maybe that's what 01:19:59.869 --> 01:20:04.949 would make it so effective. Maybe. Man. Yikes. 01:20:05.210 --> 01:20:07.029 Yikes. That's a big boy coming at you on the 01:20:07.029 --> 01:20:10.270 ice. It is a big boy. Tell you what. He's super 01:20:10.270 --> 01:20:13.689 tall. Yeah. But his brother might be scarier. 01:20:14.750 --> 01:20:16.949 Yeah, but I don't know that Jason's going to 01:20:16.949 --> 01:20:19.630 be quite as nimble on the ice anymore. No, I 01:20:19.630 --> 01:20:23.449 don't think so. But at the same time, it just 01:20:23.449 --> 01:20:25.529 takes one hit. Yeah, he's just got to get moving. 01:20:25.729 --> 01:20:28.510 He's just got to get moving, and he's got to 01:20:28.510 --> 01:20:33.149 not miss you. Yeah. And I don't exist anymore. 01:20:33.430 --> 01:20:36.689 Pretty much. All of a sudden, it's just he's 01:20:36.689 --> 01:20:39.590 gone. You are permanently planted into the ice. 01:20:39.770 --> 01:20:42.729 I'm so impressed by like these big guys and how 01:20:42.729 --> 01:20:45.609 athletic they are. Yeah. I mean, it's funny because 01:20:45.609 --> 01:20:48.310 they talked about it a lot. Again, referring 01:20:48.310 --> 01:20:52.289 to Taylor Swift at a football game, but at whatever 01:20:52.289 --> 01:20:57.630 game that was that Jason was in the stands or 01:20:57.630 --> 01:21:01.890 in the box with Taylor when Travis was playing 01:21:01.890 --> 01:21:06.970 and he jumped out of the box because he saw a, 01:21:07.390 --> 01:21:10.449 little girl who was a Swifty and like picked 01:21:10.449 --> 01:21:15.050 her up and brought her to the window of the box 01:21:15.050 --> 01:21:17.409 in order for Taylor to see the sign that she 01:21:17.409 --> 01:21:21.390 had or whatever, which I mean, how freaking wholesome 01:21:21.390 --> 01:21:27.430 is that anyway? Um, but I will tell you, I don't 01:21:27.430 --> 01:21:29.010 know how many beers it took for him to be that 01:21:29.010 --> 01:21:31.789 limber. Yeah, that's yeah. That could be a thing, 01:21:31.829 --> 01:21:35.939 but If he's drinking his own beer, he would probably 01:21:35.939 --> 01:21:38.239 take a case. Yeah. Because that stuff is like 01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:40.180 drinking water. Yeah, I don't understand that. 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:42.619 Like, big guy like that? It's just a chugging 01:21:42.619 --> 01:21:44.359 beer. That's all it is. It seems like you should 01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:49.060 only be doing 10%. Like, 10 % or higher. Yeah. 01:21:50.340 --> 01:21:53.119 He's got the mass to offset it. Yeah. Otherwise, 01:21:53.220 --> 01:21:57.819 you're just, like, drinking 24 beers. You're 01:21:57.819 --> 01:22:00.300 wasting your time. I'm wasting a lot of time. 01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:05.180 Yeah. Brings me back to this guy. Um, what was, 01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:09.399 yeah, we talked a lot about nothing. That's okay. 01:22:09.539 --> 01:22:12.739 You want to talk about the security or just save 01:22:12.739 --> 01:22:14.319 it for that? Do we got time? Where are we at? 01:22:14.380 --> 01:22:18.180 What's the, as an hour and 21 minutes. Well, 01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:19.579 that depends on how much farther you want to 01:22:19.579 --> 01:22:21.279 go. I know you want to get home. Yeah. I mean, 01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:24.279 I'm good now. Yeah. Cause you can drink the beer. 01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:27.800 Yeah. Okay. Let's hit it real quick and we'll 01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:31.020 see what we can get. So this is where I need 01:22:31.020 --> 01:22:33.619 to insert the jingle. Insert the jingle. Now 01:22:33.619 --> 01:22:38.060 entering second half of show. I'm not sure we 01:22:38.060 --> 01:22:40.600 can call it a half yet, but we're working on 01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:45.640 it. Now entering last eighth of show. So I want 01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:49.020 to talk about, and this is nothing new. So for 01:22:49.020 --> 01:22:51.039 some of y 'all, maybe you've been aware of this, 01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:54.060 and some of you maybe you haven't. But ever since 01:22:54.060 --> 01:22:59.779 2008, there has essentially been, a back door, 01:22:59.960 --> 01:23:04.060 and every Intel chip that's been made. Did you 01:23:04.060 --> 01:23:07.520 say 2008? 2008. I don't think I realized that. 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:09.659 Intel Management Engine. I thought this was more 01:23:09.659 --> 01:23:12.859 like, I don't know, 17. No, no, no, no, no, no, 01:23:12.979 --> 01:23:18.819 no. 17, it got a fair amount of notoriety with 01:23:18.819 --> 01:23:21.560 security people going, hey, yeah, there really 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:23.600 is a problem here. This is an issue. I don't 01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:26.060 know if you've noticed, but. So basically, Intel 01:23:26.060 --> 01:23:31.590 Management Engine. is its own, I think it's okay 01:23:31.590 --> 01:23:35.750 to clarify it as its own computer, if you will, 01:23:35.890 --> 01:23:41.510 that exists inside of your Intel processor. Computer? 01:23:41.689 --> 01:23:46.369 Computer, yes. Computer. Use the mouse. Computer? 01:23:46.609 --> 01:23:52.189 Yes. So think of it truly as having a separate 01:23:52.189 --> 01:23:55.189 computer that exists inside of your CPU. Is this 01:23:55.189 --> 01:23:57.899 like, okay. And it runs its own operating system. 01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:04.239 Yeah. This is like when you partition a hard 01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.880 drive. Yeah. And you're saying like, no, this 01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:08.739 is used for this and this is used for this. Yeah. 01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:12.100 This is how this has worked in my head. Is this 01:24:12.100 --> 01:24:15.159 not? No, because when you have, you're thinking 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:16.859 like a dual boot for two different operating 01:24:16.859 --> 01:24:19.539 systems. Right. Well, that's what people might 01:24:19.539 --> 01:24:26.399 think it should be. But imagine that you. Basically, 01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:29.119 you'd have to boot both OSs at the exact same 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:32.159 time. And one, not be aware that the other is 01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:35.159 there. Okay. See, that sounds so bad. This is 01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:39.619 totally nefarious. So it runs an operating system 01:24:39.619 --> 01:24:43.930 called Minix. What did you just say? Minix. Not 01:24:43.930 --> 01:24:48.470 Linux, but Linux. No, that's not. This is a spoof. 01:24:48.569 --> 01:24:50.229 Hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no. You can look 01:24:50.229 --> 01:24:51.989 it up. Google it right now, live on the show. 01:24:52.069 --> 01:24:55.210 I'm not doing it. Bingit .io. I already Googled 01:24:55.210 --> 01:24:56.750 some of this, and it scared the crap out of me, 01:24:56.770 --> 01:25:00.310 so I don't actually want to know. Yeah, so this. 01:25:00.670 --> 01:25:02.229 Guys, y 'all listen. I'm just going to plug my 01:25:02.229 --> 01:25:04.609 ears for the rest of the show. Let me know when 01:25:04.609 --> 01:25:06.529 you're done, Chris. I'm not listening. I'm not 01:25:06.529 --> 01:25:12.539 listening. So this. Yeah. He couldn't even come 01:25:12.539 --> 01:25:16.220 back from that. Jeez. I'm not listening. I'm 01:25:16.220 --> 01:25:20.220 not dead yet. I'm not dead yet. So this exists 01:25:20.220 --> 01:25:25.380 on your CPU. If you try to disable it. Whether 01:25:25.380 --> 01:25:27.859 you want it to or not. Your CPU will not be able 01:25:27.859 --> 01:25:30.539 to function. Yeah, that's. That's kind of where 01:25:30.539 --> 01:25:32.060 we're at with this level. That's so jacked up. 01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:37.060 So this management engine can literally see anything 01:25:37.060 --> 01:25:41.930 and everything that's going on. And nothing in 01:25:41.930 --> 01:25:44.670 your normal day -to -day use of the machine knows 01:25:44.670 --> 01:25:48.569 it exists. Windows doesn't know it's there. You're 01:25:48.569 --> 01:25:51.510 not going to see special processes. Nothing. 01:25:52.470 --> 01:25:58.250 You could leverage this to totally spy on an 01:25:58.250 --> 01:26:01.189 individual. Keystrokes, screenshots, you name 01:26:01.189 --> 01:26:06.390 it. You could leverage this to inject various... 01:26:08.719 --> 01:26:12.619 Whatever you want. I mean, virus, malware, you 01:26:12.619 --> 01:26:16.239 name it. Ransomware, you could totally leverage 01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:19.300 this, inject it into the system. And this runs 01:26:19.300 --> 01:26:23.420 at such a deep level that even your fancy schmancy 01:26:23.420 --> 01:26:29.840 beyond antivirus doesn't see it. It's like a 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:34.189 total ghost in the machine. And it's designed. 01:26:34.670 --> 01:26:37.149 It's designed for that on purpose. It was billed 01:26:37.149 --> 01:26:39.310 as, hey, look, we're going to give you a way 01:26:39.310 --> 01:26:41.729 that you can remotely manage these computers. 01:26:41.909 --> 01:26:44.949 And guess what? If the computer is turned off, 01:26:45.109 --> 01:26:48.649 shut down, but you still have it plugged into 01:26:48.649 --> 01:26:51.289 power and it's physically plugged into the LAN, 01:26:51.470 --> 01:26:55.689 you can still get into that computer and get 01:26:55.689 --> 01:26:57.310 into Intel Management Engine and do what you 01:26:57.310 --> 01:27:01.189 need to do. Okay, Chris, I'm getting angry. This 01:27:01.189 --> 01:27:03.710 is where it is. And then where it gets even crazier 01:27:03.710 --> 01:27:08.949 is that the CIA and the NSA get special chips 01:27:08.949 --> 01:27:12.510 that don't have management engine included. This 01:27:12.510 --> 01:27:16.310 is like Congress not having to do, or not Congress, 01:27:16.409 --> 01:27:19.350 the American government not having to do anything 01:27:19.350 --> 01:27:22.470 with, excuse me, I had not swallowed all the 01:27:22.470 --> 01:27:27.310 way. They don't have to do anything with like 01:27:27.310 --> 01:27:35.199 workplace. Whatever you call it. Like any regulation 01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:37.640 they have on the workplaces does not apply to 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:43.199 them. Correct. This is terrible. So you can imagine 01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:47.000 possibilities there. There have been major flaws 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:49.420 in the system that they've patched over time. 01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:54.560 But eventually your chip ages and you don't get 01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:57.079 any updates anymore. It's not being addressed. 01:27:57.279 --> 01:27:59.800 So granted, most people probably aren't running. 01:28:00.930 --> 01:28:05.310 from 2008 to maybe 2015. I'd like to think that 01:28:05.310 --> 01:28:08.829 most people have. I have one in the other building 01:28:08.829 --> 01:28:12.989 if you want to go look at it with me. Hold on. 01:28:13.109 --> 01:28:18.149 Shoot it. That's that Vostro 1400 that I was 01:28:18.149 --> 01:28:21.270 talking about. I can't. It's the only one that 01:28:21.270 --> 01:28:25.029 interfaces with the sign. Obviously, the older 01:28:25.029 --> 01:28:27.250 your computer gets, you don't get updates. Everybody 01:28:27.250 --> 01:28:31.159 understands that. That doesn't mean that magically, 01:28:31.340 --> 01:28:33.119 oh, hey, there's never going to be any issues 01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:36.680 determined with your processor that no one could 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:42.680 ever exploit. It's just the nature of it. The 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:45.140 other fun thing that I ran into in researching 01:28:45.140 --> 01:28:49.680 this is, do you remember the WannaCry ransomware? 01:28:49.899 --> 01:28:52.920 The one that absolutely exploded and went all 01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:56.020 over the globe? When was this? I don't remember 01:28:56.020 --> 01:28:58.000 the name. That's why. Yeah, you're putting me 01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:11.460 on the spot. Let's see. WannaCry, 2017. No. There's 01:29:11.460 --> 01:29:14.000 a screenshot of what it looked like. Yes. Okay. 01:29:14.060 --> 01:29:20.539 So, fun fact. WannaCry happened because of the 01:29:20.539 --> 01:29:25.119 NSA. They specifically went to Microsoft and 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:30.170 said, hey, don't patch this exploit. actively 01:29:30.170 --> 01:29:35.729 using this okay in the work that we do microsoft 01:29:35.729 --> 01:29:39.890 caved eventually it got figured out and the world 01:29:39.890 --> 01:29:43.609 was introduced to want to cry and it spread like 01:29:43.609 --> 01:29:47.310 wildfire um yeah all because the nsa convinced 01:29:47.310 --> 01:29:54.090 them not to patch a problem gross yes so all 01:29:54.090 --> 01:29:58.569 that to say intel management engine is a giant 01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:03.279 Succubus? Definitely a succubus. It fits the 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:07.500 definition. It's a security nightmare. So you 01:30:07.500 --> 01:30:09.800 can't get away from it because everybody has 01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:13.739 Intel -based machines unless you're more recent 01:30:13.739 --> 01:30:18.399 on Mac and you're into the M -series. I need 01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:21.560 to look to see if there is anything even remotely 01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:27.630 close to this in the ARM world. If you're working 01:30:27.630 --> 01:30:30.189 in IT, you're probably running on Intel -based 01:30:30.189 --> 01:30:33.430 machines. Patch, patch, patch, patch, patch. 01:30:35.029 --> 01:30:37.090 Don't let it sit any longer than it has to for 01:30:37.090 --> 01:30:42.069 testing. Patch, stay as current as you can. There 01:30:42.069 --> 01:30:45.029 are some companies out there that are working 01:30:45.029 --> 01:30:48.909 on ways to try to disable it. There's some open 01:30:48.909 --> 01:30:52.250 -source Linux folks that are trying to put together 01:30:52.250 --> 01:30:55.289 laptops that would give you the ability to control 01:30:55.289 --> 01:30:58.880 this. Of course, the vast majority of the world 01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:00.579 is not going to switch to Linux for the desktop. 01:31:00.979 --> 01:31:06.260 Nope. So, yeah, this is just a horrible mess. 01:31:07.100 --> 01:31:12.840 It's not going anywhere. Yay. So, but yeah, the 01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:14.939 idea that your machine could be sitting there 01:31:14.939 --> 01:31:19.619 shut down, you're thinking it's off. But because 01:31:19.619 --> 01:31:25.199 of the beauty of wake on land, I can now. gain 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:28.520 access to the Intel management engine, boot the 01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:30.399 system up and do whatever I need to do. Yeah. 01:31:30.420 --> 01:31:32.699 Wake on land has always been one of those things 01:31:32.699 --> 01:31:34.180 that I was like, Oh, that's such a good idea. 01:31:34.300 --> 01:31:40.479 And now I'm like, ah, I hate you. So, uh, but 01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:46.439 yeah, thank you. Uh, Intel, thank you. Three 01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:52.359 letter agencies. And there's no telling how many. 01:31:53.250 --> 01:31:56.010 Times this has been used for various exploits. 01:31:59.789 --> 01:32:02.409 Oh, you know, if you don't comply, there might 01:32:02.409 --> 01:32:03.789 be something that shows up on your computer. 01:32:04.210 --> 01:32:06.390 Yeah, and after you sent me that is when I found 01:32:06.390 --> 01:32:08.189 the thing about the Raspberry Pi. It was like, 01:32:08.250 --> 01:32:10.289 oh, no, you don't want Raspberry Pi. It was whatever 01:32:10.289 --> 01:32:13.630 professor. What school was that person from? 01:32:13.689 --> 01:32:19.189 Anyway, I want to kind of go on a deep dive with 01:32:19.189 --> 01:32:20.970 that whole thing and figure out exactly how. 01:32:21.609 --> 01:32:24.850 Are you getting paid by China? Anyway, she was 01:32:24.850 --> 01:32:26.430 talking about how you shouldn't use raspberry 01:32:26.430 --> 01:32:29.130 pie because of this. The orange pie. Orange pie 01:32:29.130 --> 01:32:32.050 or whatever. And it was like, yeah, you know 01:32:32.050 --> 01:32:34.550 that's manufactured in China, right? Correct. 01:32:35.010 --> 01:32:37.869 Yeah, with the rock chip. You don't think they 01:32:37.869 --> 01:32:40.390 have? Their own back doors. Their own back door 01:32:40.390 --> 01:32:43.310 here? China would never do that. No. Only the 01:32:43.310 --> 01:32:44.250 American government would do that. They're all 01:32:44.250 --> 01:32:48.289 about freedom. Yes. Imperial pig dogs. Of course 01:32:48.289 --> 01:32:52.960 they have back doors. Imperial pig dogs. anyway 01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:56.619 so you know if you just weren't scared I actually 01:32:56.619 --> 01:33:02.640 told Rebecca who I work with she was talking 01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:05.159 about how paranoid she was getting because she 01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:08.640 was hanging out with these she's in charge of 01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:15.760 our safety team which is kind of a security and 01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:22.279 first response inside of a church yeah anyway 01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:26.199 um the people that she has to hang out with like 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:29.340 do this all the time every day and so two of 01:33:29.340 --> 01:33:30.720 the people she was talking about she spent a 01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:33.140 lot of time with she spent an hour and a half 01:33:33.140 --> 01:33:34.420 with one of them in two hours with the other 01:33:34.420 --> 01:33:37.720 and so she was like super uh paranoid and i was 01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:39.800 like well i'm about to go talk to chris kincaid 01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:41.840 you want to just shoot yourself in the face now 01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:46.579 it's about like you come hang out with us you're 01:33:46.579 --> 01:33:50.420 gonna be nervous about Using your computer. Using 01:33:50.420 --> 01:33:54.960 anything. I mean, just can't even print now. 01:33:55.340 --> 01:33:57.880 Well, don't even get me started on printer hacks. 01:33:58.060 --> 01:34:03.439 Jeez. That was pretty funny. I sent Chris the 01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:10.579 meme that was going around. Gutenberg invents 01:34:10.579 --> 01:34:13.300 a printing press. Hey, what does it say? You're 01:34:13.300 --> 01:34:16.979 low on magenta. Yes, that's about right. That's 01:34:16.979 --> 01:34:21.020 about right. Okay. The only thing better is the 01:34:21.020 --> 01:34:25.880 classic PC load letter. Yeah. What the heck does 01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:30.020 that even mean? You're just, yeah. And then you 01:34:30.020 --> 01:34:31.739 take the printer out back and beat it with a 01:34:31.739 --> 01:34:35.880 baseball bat. I have been tempted more than once 01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:40.439 to destroy. And I did. Did I? Okay. So my, my 01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:46.550 daughter. This will be the end. Okay. I caught 01:34:46.550 --> 01:34:50.250 my daughter with a Chromebook hidden under her 01:34:50.250 --> 01:34:54.670 pillow. Oh, a school Chromebook? No. We got them 01:34:54.670 --> 01:35:00.189 these Chromebooks to do their homework in 2020, 01:35:00.329 --> 01:35:04.569 and they were old Chromebooks in 2020. I will 01:35:04.569 --> 01:35:08.729 admit I made the classic mistake of this thing 01:35:08.729 --> 01:35:12.789 is so outdated. need to like keep tabs on it 01:35:12.789 --> 01:35:17.810 yeah which is just stupid don't do that but i 01:35:17.810 --> 01:35:22.750 did failure failure as a husband failure as a 01:35:22.750 --> 01:35:31.310 father failure um and i uh um my wife actually 01:35:31.310 --> 01:35:35.489 busted my son with one in his room which is a 01:35:35.489 --> 01:35:38.010 like this is a standing rule in our house there's 01:35:38.010 --> 01:35:41.659 no technology in bedrooms like don't you're not 01:35:41.659 --> 01:35:44.279 doing it like we don't we don't we don't take 01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:48.899 the switch into bedrooms we don't like you're 01:35:48.899 --> 01:35:53.199 allowed to listen to like you're allowed to listen 01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:58.220 to music on your little speaker in your room 01:35:58.220 --> 01:36:03.539 but like my son got a little mp3 player like 01:36:03.539 --> 01:36:07.859 no no you're not allowed to even mess with that 01:36:08.170 --> 01:36:10.369 in your room. So just like, we're not doing this. 01:36:10.470 --> 01:36:14.829 I don't, I don't need that stress anyway. So 01:36:14.829 --> 01:36:18.149 standing rule about that, he breaks it. And of 01:36:18.149 --> 01:36:22.270 course his responses, my oldest sister has one 01:36:22.270 --> 01:36:27.449 in her room. So of course, you know, her, her 01:36:27.449 --> 01:36:30.109 door is locked. Cade has knocked his door off 01:36:30.109 --> 01:36:32.189 the hinges. So he just doesn't even have a door. 01:36:32.390 --> 01:36:37.359 Okay. But Madison's door is locked. which is 01:36:37.359 --> 01:36:40.159 not supposed to be. And so Lori gets in there, 01:36:40.199 --> 01:36:47.039 finds this, uh, computer under her pillow. Madison 01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:49.659 brings it to me and I'm going through the search 01:36:49.659 --> 01:36:54.239 history and you know, like honestly it's not 01:36:54.239 --> 01:36:56.159 as bad as it could have been. Sure. But I don't 01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:59.720 let my kids on YouTube because I, I, I trust 01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:02.279 my children. I don't have a problem with YouTube, 01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:05.619 but I know the way that these algorithms work. 01:37:06.109 --> 01:37:09.050 And I know how easy it is to stumble into areas 01:37:09.050 --> 01:37:12.590 that you don't need to be in as a kid. And so 01:37:12.590 --> 01:37:15.449 like, I'm, I'm just terrified. I'm sure that 01:37:15.449 --> 01:37:17.510 I'm going to find, and I, it really is pretty 01:37:17.510 --> 01:37:20.689 tame. All things considered, except for the fact 01:37:20.689 --> 01:37:23.250 that there's a lot of days that she's been up 01:37:23.250 --> 01:37:27.109 until like two, three in the morning. And I'm 01:37:27.109 --> 01:37:29.829 like, babe, if I hear you complain about being 01:37:29.829 --> 01:37:33.970 tired one more time. Yeah. I just like, you've 01:37:33.970 --> 01:37:37.069 lost all sympathy from your daddy because of 01:37:37.069 --> 01:37:43.869 this, but find this out. And then, um, my first 01:37:43.869 --> 01:37:46.170 question to Lori, like I'm looking at this like 01:37:46.170 --> 01:37:53.699 huge scroll of YouTube videos. Um, and nothing 01:37:53.699 --> 01:37:56.560 really honestly too concerning, which I was so, 01:37:56.640 --> 01:38:00.020 so grateful for, but just so filled with like, 01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:03.560 I can't believe you're hiding this from us. We're 01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:09.520 not like, we're not keeping you from, this isn't 01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:11.279 like a Chromebook that she shares with her brothers. 01:38:11.380 --> 01:38:14.199 Each of them has their own. And again, they're 01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:17.079 super outdated, but whatever, like what a killed 01:38:17.079 --> 01:38:19.659 for this kind of access when I was a kid. Yeah. 01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:23.430 And as much as I've secured it, which honestly 01:38:23.430 --> 01:38:26.670 I got to be like, man, I am really grateful that 01:38:26.670 --> 01:38:29.449 I did the work on the network to make sure that, 01:38:29.489 --> 01:38:33.470 I mean, I don't know if she tried to find things 01:38:33.470 --> 01:38:35.890 that she just couldn't, or if this really is 01:38:35.890 --> 01:38:39.529 all she's looking at. But again, nothing terrible. 01:38:40.789 --> 01:38:43.470 I look at Lori, I'm like, is this ours? Like, 01:38:43.510 --> 01:38:47.189 did, do we own this? Or was this like some, one 01:38:47.189 --> 01:38:49.689 of her friends? Like, cause I didn't buy it. 01:38:49.710 --> 01:38:51.989 I know that. I'm like, this isn't the schools, 01:38:52.010 --> 01:38:54.710 and your friend who we got these from didn't, 01:38:54.710 --> 01:38:58.550 like, loan them to us five years ago, and we 01:38:58.550 --> 01:39:00.590 just forgot to give them back. She's like, no, 01:39:00.649 --> 01:39:03.449 they're ours. And I just grabbed both ends of 01:39:03.449 --> 01:39:06.689 that Chromebook and snapped it in half. Yikes. 01:39:06.729 --> 01:39:08.649 And, like, did it a few more. Like, I could see 01:39:08.649 --> 01:39:11.369 this is pitch black in my room because it's that, 01:39:11.510 --> 01:39:15.229 like, we're at 1130 at night. We're supposed 01:39:15.229 --> 01:39:19.350 to be asleep. And you see the hinge on that thing 01:39:19.350 --> 01:39:25.470 light up and then disappear. And then I basically 01:39:25.470 --> 01:39:29.289 break it in half and then twist it to pop the 01:39:29.289 --> 01:39:33.890 screen off the thing. And it's dark enough, but 01:39:33.890 --> 01:39:38.550 I still see my daughter's eyes go. And all she 01:39:38.550 --> 01:39:41.250 can say is, do you want me to throw it in the 01:39:41.250 --> 01:39:47.279 trash? I was like, yes. Yes, please do. Throw 01:39:47.279 --> 01:39:49.500 that in the trash. That's what daddy thinks of 01:39:49.500 --> 01:39:56.479 something that's going to make you disobey. So 01:39:56.479 --> 01:39:58.460 every once in a while you just got to break something. 01:40:00.920 --> 01:40:04.720 Break stuff. It did feel good. It was cathartic. 01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:08.680 If you can spare the piece of technology to hit 01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:12.220 it with a baseball bat or nine iron or whatever 01:40:12.220 --> 01:40:14.619 it is. Chromebooks come pretty cheap though. 01:40:15.780 --> 01:40:18.600 Oh, this one was free. Well, that's even better. 01:40:18.699 --> 01:40:21.960 So I didn't even feel it in that sense. Yeah. 01:40:22.180 --> 01:40:27.420 Just in the betrayal sense. Anyway, I'm going 01:40:27.420 --> 01:40:29.199 to eat the rest of the sandwich. You do that. 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.659 You still got beer left. That was a lot of beer, 01:40:32.739 --> 01:40:37.939 man. I'm going to drink it. Of course you are. 01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:41.380 But we've been talking. We have. So hard to. 01:40:42.280 --> 01:40:44.779 For an hour and 40 minutes. I think that's our 01:40:44.779 --> 01:40:48.000 longest show. Congratulations. Yeah, and you 01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:49.720 wanted to get out of here early. Two episodes 01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:54.319 for one. Yeah. Anyway, always good to talk to 01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:56.659 you. Enjoyed it. See you, everybody. See you. 01:41:26.149 --> 01:41:41.170 Hit it. I got ants. I got ants. You've got karma.