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Oh, that's the wrong button. Oh, we don't do

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bloopers. Yeah, anyway. Hey, Chris. How you doing?

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Good, John. How are you? I'm doing good. What

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are we drinking today? You've got a story to

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tell. Yes, this is a... I'm hoping they make

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this permanent. Okay. This is actually a blend

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of two beers. Okay. This is Giant Slayer and

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Sanctimonium. oh hang on hang on hang on hang

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on maybe you did like you said something about

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this at one point this is a true vine yes and

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you've got it in a growler and now i'm feeling

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like i just misspoke was this possibly with saint

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james gate which is their version of a guinness

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really yes it's it's not bad i haven't had that

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i've had sanctimonium and i've had giant slayer

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i haven't had saint James Gate, is that what

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you just said? Yes. So, no, yeah, that's correct.

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This is Giant Slayer and Sanctimonia. They do

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another blend called Shepherd Boy that is Giant

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Slayer and the St. James Gate. Not as big a fan

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of that blend. Okay. This one, you will not need

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a backup beer, I promise. Okay, because I have...

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What was it? Full Grown Man? Full Grown Man.

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That's a good backup. That one's just sitting

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in the fridge waiting for when we have a bad

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situation. I think it will sit for today. Okay.

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So, yeah, this is new to me. I don't know how

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long they've been doing this, but it's tasty.

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Okay. All right. It's new to you, but you've

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already had it. Yes. Okay. So, I mean, not that

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I go to True Vine all the time. Right. It's a

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little out of the way. We're generally on one

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side of Tyler, and True Vine is more in the middle

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west. It's inside the old loop. This is what

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happens when you have no nails. You know what

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I mean? You get it? I think I got it. They put

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a piece of tape around the top. Gonna make it,

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gonna make it, gonna make it. Gonna make it,

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gonna make it. This is even worse than Maker's

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Mark because at least Maker's Mark, the wax is

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big enough to be able to peel. There we go. Well,

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sort of. The electric tape on this top is impressive.

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I should have videoed that for everybody to be

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able to. Well, if you've ever had a growler,

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you know what I'm getting into. At least from

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Truevine. Oh, there we go. It's a lot of work

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to make sure you don't open it on your way home.

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Yes. No open containers, please. Or I guess so

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it doesn't leak. I don't know. I think it's more

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about the open container law. That's stupid.

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Than anything. It's like having a seal not broken.

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Would you like the first pour? No, you should

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have the first pour. You bought this. I've had

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it before. Okay, fine. You can have the first

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pour. I even put it in some ice to try to keep

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it cold. Yeah, you did. Because you're that kind

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of thoughtful. We're just drinking from the jug.

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Throw it over my... What do you call it? Tell

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me when to stop. Forearm. I mean, it's a big

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growler. We got big mugs. Okay. That's good.

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All right. Yeah, unfortunately. I can smell that

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from over here. It's good. Wow. I mean, this

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is going to be great. Oh yeah. It, it, it smells

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really like rich. You know what I mean? Yes.

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Like this is fuel heavy. All right. I got to

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play softball tonight. This is going to be running

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around. Maybe it'll be good. Cause then I won't

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feel any pain. Cause I, you're just going to

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feel good. I just am so old to be playing softball.

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Don't talk to me about old. I'm just saying,

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man, you're not trying to play softball. No,

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I'm not. Cause I know, I know my limits. I thought

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it was going to be fun and it's fun. But anyway,

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here we go. Thoughts. All right. It's really

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good. I'm trying to, it's weird. I must say this.

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I feel like I tasted more in the top of my mouth

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than on my tongue, which is a strange thing to

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say. I understand that. I think that has to do

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with, it doesn't taste, it's not like heavy.

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For as dark of a beer as this is, it's not heavy.

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It's a little bit fruity. There's a sweetness,

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but I wouldn't call it chocolate sweetness. I

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don't know what they're going to talk about inside

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of this. It's funny because I remember they made

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a beer. True Vine made a beer at some point.

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I don't know if they're making it still or not.

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I think it was the Back to the Future one. Bach

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to the Future. Bach to the Future, yeah. Um,

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and they made that like the sweetener or the,

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like, uh, some, some, they, they have to not

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sweetener the sugar that they used. Uh, I think

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that they, they got that from like fruity pebbles

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or something. And it, I mean, it's a weird thing

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to say because it's not like you drink the beer

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and you're like, Oh, I taste fruity pebbles.

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That's not what's going on. Yeah. But I kind

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of taste fruity pebbles in this one. Maybe it's

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just like, it's, it's, it's that kind of, it's

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not like this, like, you know, we're talking

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about beer. So the idea of like eating fruity

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pebbles while you're drinking a beer is a little

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bit disgusting, but that's the kind of like pour

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the beer in your cereal. Okay. Who needs milk?

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That's a level. So I think it's safe to say that

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you don't need your backup. No, it's fantastic.

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What am I getting? I think the other thing. It

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just like hits me in the back of the mouth. Yeah.

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Having just been there Saturday night. Okay.

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A couple nights ago and had this. Two different

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people pouring it. It tastes not. It's not bad.

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It's great. But it doesn't taste exactly the

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way that it tasted Saturday night. And because

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when I've gone, what they're literally doing

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is they're. opening the tap on Giant Slayer,

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filling it up so far, and then opening the tap

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on St. Demonia and filling it up the rest of

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the way. It's not like they pre -mixed it in

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the back, slapped it in a keg, and now it's a

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controlled mixture. So it's always going to be

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a different. There will be some variation based

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on the person pouring. I wonder which one I'm

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tasting more now then because it's been a while

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since I've had Giant Slayer. I feel like sanctimonium

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I've had fairly recently. Yeah. Sanctimonium

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has a little more bitter to me. Yeah. Where the

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bitter in this is a little more subdued. That's

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why I feel like maybe this is a little more giant

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slayer. Maybe. Anyway, it's good. It's really

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good. I'm surprised at how light it is, but it's

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so smooth. Yep. Um, doesn't have, doesn't have

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real bite or anything like that. Um, I feel like

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I'm going to drink this pretty fast and then

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see how we're doing. I believe it is 10%. Really?

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Yes. Cause giant Slater is 10 and I think sanctimonium

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is 10. So don't know how we would measure it

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if it was not, but not or yeah. Anyway, that's...

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It's a good beer, though. That is a good beer.

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I would recommend it. Yes. Our friend Paul, who's

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not listening, isn't a fan of mixed drinks, but...

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He might be a fan of this one. This feels a little

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bit different than a mixed... I mean, you know,

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like... I get it, but at the same time... He's

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more of a whiskey guy, is he not? Scotch. I'm

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sorry. I spoke wrong. Scotch whiskey. There is

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a difference. Scotch. Anyway, yeah. No, it's...

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Yeah, because I called him one time when I had

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a... Have you ever had a black and blue? No.

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So, I mean, there may be multiple ways of doing

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this, so please don't comment. If you think of

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black and blue is different, but I had a black

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and blue. That was a Guinness on the bottom of

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like they poured Guinness and then they poured

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a blue moon over the top. So it's very dark on

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the bottom. Yeah. And it is very light on the

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top. Yes. And they don't like they didn't they

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don't they didn't mix like it didn't turn into

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like some. You know, or whatever. It was just

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like there were two halves of this beer. Well,

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you know what that is? Viscosity? No, the Guinness

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said you shall not pass. I mean, but really,

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like, so I drank, it tasted like drinking different

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than this. Like, it tasted like drinking, I drank

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a little Blue Moon and I drank a Guinness. And

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there in the middle, I got a little bit of both

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because you, you know, you're, you're actually

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like whatever, but they weren't like, it wasn't

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the Guinness like trying to sneak past the blue

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moon. Like there was none, none of that. Like

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it was, it was a very interesting beer to have.

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I guess the closest I've had to that is called

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a black and tan. It's Guinness on the bottom

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and then harp on top. It's exactly like that.

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Yep. It's just kind of weird to see them separated

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that noticeably. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're

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welcome for the Gandalf reference. Absolutely.

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I mean, that's what we're here for. I need my

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staff. And so many others. Yeah, absolutely.

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And a little more emphasis on the you shall not

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pass. I sent you a Princess Bride quote this

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week. I'm looking back at her. Yes, you did.

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Text message. Okay, so while we're still in our

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beer section, what did this Convict Hill that

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you had? Yes, yes. What was that? Jason, tell

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us about the beer. I'm trying to remember what

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they classified as. It was good. Very dark. That

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was a picture, bro. Dude, well, yeah. I cannot

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see it. I can't see through it. I can't see him

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on the other side of it. I can't see it. Let

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me find that. I did not come prepared for that

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one. Well, you know. Independence Brewing, Convict

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Hill. It is an oatmeal stock. Okay. 8%. They

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say 25 on the bitter. Okay. It felt more like

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50 to me. Okay. Not bad. Yeah. But the bitter,

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it hit a little bit harder than I would have

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expected for an IBU of 25. Okay. That's fair.

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Still very, very good. Yeah. I didn't get the

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oatmeal. Yeah, this is like an IBU of like 10.

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Yeah, that feels pretty low. Five. I got kind

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of the chocolate, a little bit of the coffee,

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which I think is kind of where maybe some of

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that bitter could be coming from. Again, not

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as heavy as you might think it would be for a

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beer. I liked it. I would put it in sort of like

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the breakfast out. Okay. Kind of in that range.

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Okay. But it was good. Yeah. It was good. It's

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the only place I've ever seen it is at Reba's

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there in LaGrange. They have tremendous pizza.

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Thanks for not taking a picture of your pizza.

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I appreciate that. Well, yeah, because the pizza

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hadn't come yet. Oh, well, there you go. Well,

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I could have sent you the picture that I sent

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the guys on Saturday night. No, I'm good. Oh,

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yeah. You should have got it, too. Yeah. Sola

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Pizza and Archangel. Yeah. Sola Pizza and Tyler.

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It's good. Also good. They got some fun ones,

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too. You might get a kick out of that. New host.

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Oh, my gosh. Nope. Jason sent that to me. Stacey

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Abrams is projected to be the new host of Jimmy

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Kimmel Tonight. We're not a political podcast.

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We're not a political podcast. No, but we can

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admit when something is funny. It's hilarious.

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It is funny. Yeah. What we need to do if we're

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going to talk anything political, you need to

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do it as if you're Macho Man Randy Savage. I

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mean. Oh, yeah. Stacey Abrams, the next host.

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Oh, yeah. That was really good, Chris. I've got

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to say. What randomly came to mind to me Friday

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night, we're at the game. Bringing me back to

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my childhood. Yes. And it's just, can you imagine

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Macho Man Randy Savage doing the Star Spangled

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Banner? I mean, it was just running through my

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head. And it's just like, oh, see, can you see

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by the dawn's early light what so proudly we

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hail? Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah, Mean Gene. The Randy

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Savage and his spoken word version of the Star

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Spangled Banner. I would have been crazy to hear

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him do that in that character. So I don't think

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anybody did promos better than him. I think I

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would even put him ahead of Ric Flair. I mean,

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yeah. I'd probably say Macho Man, Ric Flair,

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Hulk Hogan, all of them like really, really,

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really close. Yeah, I would have put Hulk above.

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Ric Flair, but that was all nostalgia for me.

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Yeah. Like Ric Flair. Styling and profiling.

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But he was just like, it was just that pretty

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boy thing. Yeah. That I was like, you're not

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a wrestler. And then they start winning and I'm

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like, maybe it is fake. Yes. Anyway, I was just

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a little kid. Okay. I was too. It was fun. It

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was fun. What are you going to do? So there you

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go. Now you're going to go later and you're going

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to try to be. Macho man Randy Savage. Just pile

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drive somebody right into them. Oh, yeah. You

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got to get that growl. You got to get sinuses

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flared up, and then you get that radio voice,

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and then you can, oh, yeah, I'm the macho man.

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It's the cream rises to the top. I'm just saying

00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.579
you're really good at that for somebody who doesn't

00:17:05.579 --> 00:17:08.700
do impressions. I don't know about that. There

00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:10.579
are people who do it far better than I do. You're

00:17:10.579 --> 00:17:12.519
going to have to listen to it back. It doesn't

00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:14.140
sound the same in your head, I'm sure. Oh, yeah.

00:17:15.019 --> 00:17:18.400
Oh, my gosh. We're going to have to use that.

00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:22.000
You need to pull that as a soundbite. You got

00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:26.059
to give me a time code. I'll find it. Before

00:17:26.059 --> 00:17:33.839
16. Okay. I'll find it. Okay. All right. I got

00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.470
us off track. I mean, not really. If we had a

00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:39.349
track, then you could get us off track, but we're

00:17:39.349 --> 00:17:41.789
more like off -roading this bad boy. Yeah, we

00:17:41.789 --> 00:17:47.849
are. This is way less like a railroad and way

00:17:47.849 --> 00:17:53.150
more like a four -wheeler. Here we go, folks.

00:17:53.390 --> 00:17:56.069
The Mojave or something. Yeah. Anyway. On the

00:17:56.069 --> 00:18:00.890
dunes. You sent me something while you were out

00:18:00.890 --> 00:18:04.869
of town this past week. Yep. We were sending

00:18:04.869 --> 00:18:06.829
each other quite a few things, trying to figure

00:18:06.829 --> 00:18:12.269
out some Chromebook stuff and trying to talk

00:18:12.269 --> 00:18:15.809
through different issues that were happening.

00:18:15.950 --> 00:18:18.430
But one of the things that you sent me was a

00:18:18.430 --> 00:18:24.289
quad -channel receiver by Shure. They did an

00:18:24.289 --> 00:18:29.630
SLX version of the quad -channel receiver, which

00:18:29.630 --> 00:18:35.619
is amazing. It still comes in at that $2 ,600

00:18:35.619 --> 00:18:41.059
range. I love Shure. I'm a big fan of Shure.

00:18:41.220 --> 00:18:48.799
I think if I could separate in my mind spending

00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:55.460
the money for four receivers out, and I think

00:18:55.460 --> 00:18:58.880
there's some reality of how much that actually

00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:02.299
costs, and hey, this isn't. this isn't that much

00:19:02.299 --> 00:19:05.519
money, but you know, you pay it all together

00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.960
in one lump sum and they don't really give you

00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:13.660
any breaks here. Um, cause the SLX version, uh,

00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:17.059
still, uh, still alive and kicking, um, over

00:19:17.059 --> 00:19:19.880
there at sure. They've got the, the QLX, the

00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:24.900
GLX, the SLX, the, um, ULX. Um, and now their

00:19:24.900 --> 00:19:32.380
flagship is the Axiom, um, line. Jason, correct

00:19:32.380 --> 00:19:35.440
me if I'm wrong. It's actually been a while since

00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:41.940
I went, like, deep diving in wireless mics. But

00:19:41.940 --> 00:19:46.819
I've used the ULX version for a while now. And

00:19:46.819 --> 00:19:52.960
when they made the switch to the digital technology

00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.839
with wireless mics, that's when they came out

00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:03.099
with, like, BLX, I think, and even GLX. But those,

00:20:03.380 --> 00:20:08.640
I would say, like, I was pretty underwhelmed

00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:14.500
by the budget versions of the digital world of

00:20:14.500 --> 00:20:20.480
wireless mics. It was just, you know, there's

00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:26.240
a thing that happens whenever you move to...

00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:35.250
It was like... um a i was never really really

00:20:35.250 --> 00:20:38.829
really able to hear the difference whenever they

00:20:38.829 --> 00:20:46.150
went um from class a power in amps to um class

00:20:46.150 --> 00:20:52.369
d d was d the i mean i think that i mean there's

00:20:52.369 --> 00:20:55.769
b and blah but i think like when you know you

00:20:55.769 --> 00:21:00.549
had When all of a sudden you're picking up an

00:21:00.549 --> 00:21:03.410
amp and it's not really heavy. Yes. There's like

00:21:03.410 --> 00:21:08.289
an audio difference that goes alongside that

00:21:08.289 --> 00:21:13.309
with live music. And it's there. I do know if

00:21:13.309 --> 00:21:15.809
I put them right next to each other, you can

00:21:15.809 --> 00:21:19.390
kind of hear or I can kind of hear the difference

00:21:19.390 --> 00:21:24.769
in that. And it had a lot to do. I mean, Chad

00:21:24.769 --> 00:21:28.109
was explaining this to me at one point. You're

00:21:28.109 --> 00:21:32.450
stair -stepping instead of having a smooth curve

00:21:32.450 --> 00:21:38.950
over a frequency. And so you should be able to

00:21:38.950 --> 00:21:42.029
hear the difference. It should sound less natural

00:21:42.029 --> 00:21:52.539
or less authentic replication of the sound. But

00:21:52.539 --> 00:21:56.059
they made it so good that, you know, at least

00:21:56.059 --> 00:21:57.500
the ones that I was listening to on a regular

00:21:57.500 --> 00:22:03.160
basis, it was harder to perceive. Wireless mics,

00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.019
I mean, it's totally different and it's the same.

00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.880
So wireless mics, whenever you have any kind

00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.039
of interruption or any kind of signal interference

00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:18.650
or anything like that, there's a... There's going

00:22:18.650 --> 00:22:20.990
to be any transmission of audio, there's going

00:22:20.990 --> 00:22:28.670
to be a degradation of the signal. The good news

00:22:28.670 --> 00:22:32.730
about wiring things in directly is that all of

00:22:32.730 --> 00:22:37.470
that signal is being passed over copper, and

00:22:37.470 --> 00:22:39.109
even though there's a degradation because of

00:22:39.109 --> 00:22:42.589
how long and the electrical signal going over

00:22:42.589 --> 00:22:46.130
a distance, it is pretty negligible. because

00:22:46.130 --> 00:22:48.329
of the way that that's interacting across copper.

00:22:48.410 --> 00:22:51.230
When you're doing it wirelessly, there is more

00:22:51.230 --> 00:22:56.250
of a chance of a perceptible cutout. Sure. The

00:22:56.250 --> 00:23:00.569
old versions that were not digital kind of fuzzed

00:23:00.569 --> 00:23:04.230
when there was interference or cutout or whatever.

00:23:04.589 --> 00:23:10.470
And that's, in my mind, that is more allowable

00:23:10.470 --> 00:23:13.470
to an audience. I don't know if it's just because

00:23:13.470 --> 00:23:16.069
that's where we came from. Maybe. Then what digital

00:23:16.069 --> 00:23:20.170
does, which is dropout. Yeah. So the interference

00:23:20.170 --> 00:23:25.710
turns into a signal. Correct. And that's like

00:23:25.710 --> 00:23:28.670
dramatic. I understand it was never, I mean,

00:23:28.690 --> 00:23:31.210
sometimes I guess it is. But most of the time

00:23:31.210 --> 00:23:33.289
it's not that dramatic. It's just kind of you

00:23:33.289 --> 00:23:36.230
hear holes. Depends on how people are holding

00:23:36.230 --> 00:23:40.940
the mic. Right. Oh, my gosh. Such a. interesting

00:23:40.940 --> 00:23:45.099
thing there yeah so i actually like whenever

00:23:45.099 --> 00:23:48.140
i first um was like all right we'll try out these

00:23:48.140 --> 00:23:52.319
uh digital mics we have to because everything's

00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.740
moving this direction we actually did cheaper

00:23:54.740 --> 00:23:57.039
ones first also because of where we were working

00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.099
at the time or where i was working at the time

00:23:59.099 --> 00:24:06.869
yep um and so i just didn't have a good All the

00:24:06.869 --> 00:24:09.569
rooms that we were in were not really set up

00:24:09.569 --> 00:24:12.849
well for low -budget wireless stuff, and so it

00:24:12.849 --> 00:24:15.329
just turns into kind of a mess. This is a bad

00:24:15.329 --> 00:24:19.430
solution. So then you move into ULX, and you

00:24:19.430 --> 00:24:22.049
see like, oh, no, you put power behind these

00:24:22.049 --> 00:24:25.890
antennas, and you run them inside of the parameters

00:24:25.890 --> 00:24:29.869
that are set for you, and wow, no, this is really

00:24:29.869 --> 00:24:36.109
good, and it sounds really good. Um, that was

00:24:36.109 --> 00:24:38.650
a, that was always a unique thing. SLX in my

00:24:38.650 --> 00:24:40.809
mind was always the sweet spot of where I wanted

00:24:40.809 --> 00:24:45.210
to be, but they didn't have, um, uh, the same

00:24:45.210 --> 00:24:47.789
offerings that they did with this new product,

00:24:47.890 --> 00:24:52.769
um, inside of BLX and GLX, um, or the high end

00:24:52.769 --> 00:24:56.710
product of the ULX. So seeing SLX come out with

00:24:56.710 --> 00:25:02.210
the SLX D four Q plus whatever, um, the pro max

00:25:02.210 --> 00:25:06.579
ultra pro max ultra, like you were saying, No

00:25:06.579 --> 00:25:13.000
more 3U stacks of gear where you're setting two

00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:16.119
receivers right next to each other and two below

00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:23.940
them and then an antenna. Yeah, distro. It is

00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:31.779
an antenna combiner. No, that's the other side.

00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:36.059
Yeah, it's a distro. Yeah. the antenna distro

00:25:36.059 --> 00:25:40.980
to be able to send the the antenna signal that's

00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:43.640
coming in from your wireless packs out to all

00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:49.579
of these receivers and daisy chaining them together

00:25:49.579 --> 00:25:51.859
and there's some fun stuff with that like that's

00:25:51.859 --> 00:25:54.660
great but you have all of that in a one u box

00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:58.980
with these quads and they they've had this in

00:25:58.980 --> 00:26:02.700
ulxd for a while again you put your money where

00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:07.440
you're You know, big money is. And by comparison,

00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:18.140
the ULX -D4Q runs 6776. Yes. So 2639 feels real

00:26:18.140 --> 00:26:21.240
good. Correct. At that point. Yes, it does. And

00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.460
it's always been like the ULX -Ds have always

00:26:24.460 --> 00:26:32.259
been a big dog product. But they're not. they're

00:26:32.259 --> 00:26:35.519
not touching the axiom stuff. No. Cause that

00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:42.279
is a different level. No, I mean, it's yeah.

00:26:42.940 --> 00:26:47.660
84 Q is 74 81. So that's actually less than I

00:26:47.660 --> 00:26:49.319
thought it was. I thought it was more like 10,

00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:55.980
but maybe that's when they first came out or

00:26:55.980 --> 00:27:00.099
something. Anyway, there's a lot there. Wireless

00:27:00.099 --> 00:27:06.400
technology, man. I think it's like batteries

00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:10.420
in that you have to find the right thing that's

00:27:10.420 --> 00:27:14.920
going to push innovation in this world. And for

00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.779
us, we've had wireless mics for a long time.

00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:27.319
Man, I don't even... I'm trying to think in the...

00:27:28.970 --> 00:27:33.130
I know in the 20 years that I've been in this

00:27:33.130 --> 00:27:35.210
space, I've had wireless mics the entire time.

00:27:35.730 --> 00:27:40.869
Yeah. I think in the 30 years that I can remember

00:27:40.869 --> 00:27:44.769
looking at AV setups, we've had wireless mics

00:27:44.769 --> 00:27:46.990
the entire time. That'd be an interesting question.

00:27:47.109 --> 00:27:48.589
Maybe we need to have that ready for the next

00:27:48.589 --> 00:27:52.450
show, is when was the first wireless mic setup

00:27:52.450 --> 00:27:58.369
that was, you know... uh reasonable well and

00:27:58.369 --> 00:28:04.509
like quality replicatable like that this was

00:28:04.509 --> 00:28:08.390
a product that was being used you know what i

00:28:08.390 --> 00:28:10.730
mean like not the first guy who ever figured

00:28:10.730 --> 00:28:13.329
out like oh we can wirelessly like that's a long

00:28:13.329 --> 00:28:17.890
long long long long long long long time ago i'm

00:28:17.890 --> 00:28:20.589
talking about in a venue using a product that's

00:28:20.589 --> 00:28:24.990
being sold correct when was that um well just

00:28:24.990 --> 00:28:29.150
a real quick Search shows me that in 1953. That's

00:28:29.150 --> 00:28:31.849
a long time ago. Shure brought out the Vagabond

00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:35.730
88, which was a commercial wireless mic. And

00:28:35.730 --> 00:28:37.430
I can guarantee. But that doesn't mean it had.

00:28:37.450 --> 00:28:41.230
In 50. Wide usage though. Okay, but that's what

00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:43.829
I was asking for though is Shure had a product.

00:28:44.210 --> 00:28:48.910
Yes. In the 50s that was doing this. And I'm

00:28:48.910 --> 00:28:51.170
sure in the 50s they were going, this isn't going

00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:54.849
anywhere. I'm sure they were. That's not reliable.

00:28:55.170 --> 00:28:57.769
No. And now you think about the number of things

00:28:57.769 --> 00:28:59.670
that we use that are wireless and where people

00:28:59.670 --> 00:29:03.390
are like, does your mouse have a wire on it?

00:29:04.450 --> 00:29:11.470
Yes. Have you seen that meme? That's the conversation

00:29:11.470 --> 00:29:16.430
between the guy and the... You don't know what

00:29:16.430 --> 00:29:21.029
the punchline is yet, but you just see me and

00:29:21.029 --> 00:29:24.980
then what he's saying is... it doesn't have a

00:29:24.980 --> 00:29:27.440
tail so i'm gonna have to say it's a hamster

00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:31.119
and then below that it says tech support okay

00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:33.700
well right click the hamster yeah i think i've

00:29:33.700 --> 00:29:36.380
seen that right click the hamster yes and i mean

00:29:36.380 --> 00:29:39.339
like yeah so we don't have tails on these mice

00:29:39.339 --> 00:29:42.079
anymore no we don't and you're a little bit weird

00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:46.619
if you do like i i got i got blasted by a buddy

00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:48.559
of mine because he was like you're using a wired

00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.509
mic i was like no it's just plugged in Like I

00:29:52.509 --> 00:29:55.730
was charging it while I was using it, which,

00:29:55.809 --> 00:29:59.190
making fun of Apple here, tells you that it was

00:29:59.190 --> 00:30:02.609
not an Apple mouse. No, it was not. Because if

00:30:02.609 --> 00:30:05.269
you're plugged into an Apple mouse. You can't

00:30:05.269 --> 00:30:07.430
use it. You can't use it because it's on the

00:30:07.430 --> 00:30:12.170
bottom. Which one of, which, which, just, that

00:30:12.170 --> 00:30:18.150
guy has to have been fired, right? Maybe. I just,

00:30:18.269 --> 00:30:21.630
like, I don't, anyway. But the number of things

00:30:21.630 --> 00:30:23.569
that we use now that are wireless, everybody

00:30:23.569 --> 00:30:28.029
just really frowns at wires now. There's a lot

00:30:28.029 --> 00:30:30.730
of like, you know, you want the wireless headphones

00:30:30.730 --> 00:30:33.309
and you want the wireless mouse and you want

00:30:33.309 --> 00:30:36.650
the wireless phone. If there's a cord attached

00:30:36.650 --> 00:30:40.670
to it, it looks like it's from the 90s, which

00:30:40.670 --> 00:30:45.630
is hilarious. I got to say, I was always on the...

00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:51.150
I really like cables. I really like, you know,

00:30:51.150 --> 00:30:54.690
when my job started depending on how things were

00:30:54.690 --> 00:30:58.970
running, I stay away from wireless as much as

00:30:58.970 --> 00:31:02.990
I can because I don't trust it. Too many environmental

00:31:02.990 --> 00:31:05.609
possibilities there. They can go sideways. Too

00:31:05.609 --> 00:31:09.549
many things I can't see, you know, and you never

00:31:09.549 --> 00:31:11.309
really know when it's going to, like, bite you.

00:31:11.390 --> 00:31:14.369
That's where the money's at, making glasses that

00:31:14.369 --> 00:31:17.109
allow us to see the aura spectrum. Okay, Chris.

00:31:17.950 --> 00:31:23.970
Exit strategy. patent pending. Yes. Can I just

00:31:23.970 --> 00:31:25.710
say that out loud? Does that keep all of you

00:31:25.710 --> 00:31:28.670
from stealing this idea? I mean, I couldn't imagine

00:31:28.670 --> 00:31:31.910
walking into a space, putting those on, setting

00:31:31.910 --> 00:31:34.890
the frequency that I want to see, and then just

00:31:34.890 --> 00:31:38.630
boom. I was like, whoa. I bet it exists. We need

00:31:38.630 --> 00:31:43.349
a way to make it marketable for our people. Yes.

00:31:45.149 --> 00:31:47.349
That's something that's on like SEAL Team 6.

00:31:47.529 --> 00:31:49.150
Now we've got to get people who are smarter than

00:31:49.150 --> 00:31:53.869
us to make it happen. Yeah. I'm just the idea

00:31:53.869 --> 00:31:58.029
guy. You go make it happen. Chad, I'm going to

00:31:58.029 --> 00:32:05.289
need some of your brain time. Expertise. Anyway.

00:32:07.289 --> 00:32:13.319
But yeah, when these... Developments happen because

00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.259
there's a market for it. You got to understand

00:32:16.259 --> 00:32:21.420
a lot of the wireless mic. I mean, it makes sense

00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:24.640
that what they had was a cheap version and they

00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.480
had a really expensive version because that's

00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:31.099
really where the musicians and the venues live

00:32:31.099 --> 00:32:34.119
is you either have just a little bit of money

00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.079
and you're going to try it or you have a whole

00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:41.460
lot of money. Yeah. And you can buy whatever

00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:43.000
you want, and they can put whatever price tag

00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.220
on it that they can think of. And they're like,

00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:49.519
$12 ,000. How do you feel about that? I'm like,

00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.079
sure. That's what it takes. Take my money. Take

00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.740
my money. Yeah, you said that. That gift, too.

00:32:56.220 --> 00:33:02.480
Yeah. Yes. So, yeah. I think any advances in

00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.539
this wireless world, and really the ones that

00:33:07.539 --> 00:33:11.700
are freaking me out. I actually saw a Shure version,

00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.079
but that Sennheiser that we talked about a while

00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:20.700
back on the show, that's scary. Shure actually,

00:33:20.859 --> 00:33:28.140
they have their, I think it may be attached to

00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:32.240
their Axiom line. I don't even know if I'm saying

00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:39.710
that correctly, but they've got a, Oh my gosh,

00:33:39.789 --> 00:33:50.609
what is it called? Oh, that's a combiner. I saw

00:33:50.609 --> 00:33:52.930
it a second ago, and I was just telling Chris.

00:33:53.630 --> 00:33:55.970
I don't know if anybody else has this problem,

00:33:56.089 --> 00:33:58.670
but the Shure website is just the worst thing

00:33:58.670 --> 00:34:02.890
in the world. Like, I don't... I want to be...

00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.219
and I want you to focus on your microphones,

00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.800
but pay somebody to make a system on your website

00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.119
that makes it possible for people to actually

00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:19.679
see what they're hoping to see instead of all

00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:29.119
of this junk that doesn't at all. Okay, I saw

00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:33.059
the ANX4, which is a scalable wireless receiver.

00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:39.360
For Axiom Digital and ULXD systems. I don't know

00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.940
what that is. But it looks like it's got a whole

00:34:42.940 --> 00:34:44.699
lot of channels that can run to it. Something

00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:52.380
like 16. Oh, 24 channels. In a single rack space.

00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.480
So that's the thing that I'm like, okay. Like,

00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:03.630
what? We've had four for a little while. Um,

00:35:03.769 --> 00:35:07.510
we're jumping to, um, you notice they do not

00:35:07.510 --> 00:35:09.989
have a price on that yet. If you go to their

00:35:09.989 --> 00:35:14.750
website and there's not even a, like on the back

00:35:14.750 --> 00:35:19.309
of the thing, they don't have 24 outputs. They

00:35:19.309 --> 00:35:26.210
have Dante. That's all I'm saying. And then for,

00:35:26.409 --> 00:35:34.550
uh, antenna ports. Anyway, it's, The world is

00:35:34.550 --> 00:35:39.590
getting strange. And it's moving very, very fast.

00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:47.250
Yes, it is. And I do think as IT and AV guys,

00:35:47.409 --> 00:35:50.789
I think the speed at which everything's moving,

00:35:50.849 --> 00:35:55.269
that should give us a... You know, we got to

00:35:55.269 --> 00:35:57.329
have a reality check. And one of the things that

00:35:57.329 --> 00:36:00.989
I always loved about you, Chris, is that you

00:36:00.989 --> 00:36:09.610
have maintained humility in the midst of having

00:36:09.610 --> 00:36:13.690
a lot of knowledge, both just theoretical knowledge

00:36:13.690 --> 00:36:16.710
and also experiential knowledge about the things

00:36:16.710 --> 00:36:18.550
that everybody else is just kind of speculating

00:36:18.550 --> 00:36:23.239
on. Um, lot, a lot of experiential knowledge,

00:36:23.380 --> 00:36:29.480
um, about it as well. And so, um, I love that.

00:36:29.500 --> 00:36:33.440
I love, I'm very drawn to, um, the humility that

00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:38.039
it takes to be like, I don't know. You're trying

00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.840
to understand somebody's perspective. I also

00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:45.239
think it's why you're such a good, um, help desk

00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.840
personality and then trainer. Um, for other people,

00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:53.320
because the, like you, if, when, when I listened

00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.719
to you talk to somebody who's having a problem,

00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:01.500
there's a, a lot like an exorbitant amount of

00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:06.860
patients. Um, and where my brain is already like,

00:37:06.980 --> 00:37:10.780
Oh, I know the problem. Like stop talking. Um,

00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:16.739
Nick Burns. Move. Very typical. Nick Burns. Move.

00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:22.559
Yeah. I see you handling it very differently,

00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:26.199
which is why it's really funny to watch Nick

00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:31.480
Burns with you. But it's also why I actually

00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:37.300
think Roy and Moss are, like, so much funnier

00:37:37.300 --> 00:37:39.000
than Nick Burns. Yeah. Because they're, like,

00:37:39.019 --> 00:37:42.940
real people. Yeah. Where they're, like, what?

00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:45.860
They both know how to do this, and they're...

00:37:46.269 --> 00:37:48.889
just kind of flabbergasted by the problem yeah

00:37:48.889 --> 00:37:51.789
um which is i feel like more often what that

00:37:51.789 --> 00:37:55.309
turns into is yeah wait what if your computer

00:37:55.309 --> 00:37:57.809
was a person i would shoot it i would shoot it

00:37:57.809 --> 00:38:05.090
i haven't seen that one since the 90s yeah yeah

00:38:05.090 --> 00:38:09.809
no that's no that's legit no i just got it the

00:38:09.809 --> 00:38:15.050
way i like it yeah i bet you did um anyway uh

00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:19.739
This is a long transition, but I'm transitioning

00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:25.780
into... I had a weird situation, and I understand

00:38:25.780 --> 00:38:33.059
I'm not the best AV guy. I am definitely an IT

00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:40.460
guy in training. Journeyman IT and AV, I have

00:38:40.460 --> 00:38:48.139
a lot of... Things that I didn't pick up quickly.

00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:50.599
And there are definitely times that I feel like

00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:57.199
I'm compensating for maybe my ears or just my

00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:04.679
ADD, like inability to remember why I'm in the

00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:09.679
room. There's plenty to go alongside that. But

00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:11.780
there are things that I was like, I don't...

00:39:12.570 --> 00:39:15.030
There are times that somebody comes in and I

00:39:15.030 --> 00:39:23.329
think this happens with musicians easily, especially

00:39:23.329 --> 00:39:28.369
electric guitarists. It happens with car guys

00:39:28.369 --> 00:39:34.289
a lot. It happens with tech guys. We've seen

00:39:34.289 --> 00:39:39.110
some heated discussions about what's better or

00:39:39.110 --> 00:39:44.579
worse. And we've seen, I mean, it's not abnormal,

00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:49.719
especially I would say amongst men. I don't know

00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:53.559
if this is a thing for women. Are you generalizing?

00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.320
I am. Stereotyping the crap out of this. I almost

00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.199
said it. Good save. Good save. Stereotyping all

00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:07.800
of it. But it seems like this is a thing with

00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.400
men where you just like you got to. I'm going

00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.119
to flex a little bit. And, and I think this is

00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.780
also what the like mansplaining thing, this,

00:40:17.780 --> 00:40:21.800
this got a mansplaining got described to me as

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.440
like, men really do want to be helpful and they

00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:30.260
want to explain their view of the world to other

00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:33.800
people in order to make connections. Yeah. And

00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.340
so that's one of the ways that that happens.

00:40:36.380 --> 00:40:42.539
Now it turns real. ugly and competitive pejorative

00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:46.960
oh good turn thank you and competitive um like

00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.460
really quickly and so there's there's plenty

00:40:49.460 --> 00:40:53.739
of times when it's like okay like i'm gonna need

00:40:53.739 --> 00:40:56.460
you to sit down or just listen for a little while

00:40:56.460 --> 00:41:00.760
longer like yeah um but anyway some of this happened

00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:03.739
to me recently okay in a project that was being

00:41:03.739 --> 00:41:08.119
that i had no control over yeah but was being

00:41:08.859 --> 00:41:11.480
um, explained in front of me. And I was, I was

00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:13.780
trying to say as the guy who was going to be

00:41:13.780 --> 00:41:16.420
working on the network side of this, that I would

00:41:16.420 --> 00:41:19.980
actually prefer if we use this equipment instead

00:41:19.980 --> 00:41:23.820
of whatever they like had planned to use. And

00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:25.400
I was like, I'll take care of it. I don't need

00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:26.940
you to buy it. I don't need you to do anything

00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:28.980
about it. I don't need you to service it. I just,

00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.239
I want to use what I want to use. Yeah. And the

00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.019
guy was like, no, you don't. And I was like,

00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:43.809
why, Don't I? And he was like, well, the gear

00:41:43.809 --> 00:41:49.010
that we install is made specifically for this

00:41:49.010 --> 00:41:56.429
particular thing. Okay. If somebody talks about

00:41:56.429 --> 00:42:03.869
Pro AV network gear. Nice segue. If somebody,

00:42:04.070 --> 00:42:09.639
I mean, it was a long. That was a lot of talking

00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.500
around the subject to finally get to the subject.

00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:19.840
I sure did. So be happy. If somebody brings up

00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:26.139
pro AV network gear, what is your initial response

00:42:26.139 --> 00:42:33.840
to that? I would probably say, tell me what makes

00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:39.920
it AV. I mean... Guys, I'm not lying to you.

00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.639
Network is network is network. Now, can there

00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:44.739
be some things that are a little more specific

00:42:44.739 --> 00:42:49.960
to AV that a general network would need? Yes.

00:42:50.380 --> 00:42:56.440
Sure. But it's not very much. Okay. So I don't

00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:01.679
know the term. It has to do with the clock. What

00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.900
is the master clock? between two particular pieces

00:43:05.900 --> 00:43:08.639
of equipment. It's just the time clock. Yes,

00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:11.760
but it's something that is more specific to the

00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.659
AV gear. The rest of the network doesn't care.

00:43:15.940 --> 00:43:19.659
So I guess we have... Yeah, you set a device

00:43:19.659 --> 00:43:23.400
as the master. As the master. Right. But if Jason

00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:24.739
was here, he'd be able to throw out the proper

00:43:24.739 --> 00:43:27.559
terms. But you have to go in... Jason, I just

00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:29.639
think it's time clock. ...and make the adjustments

00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.599
to say, this is the master. And there's some

00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:35.760
little tweaking that you do behind the scenes.

00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:41.199
But it's still just packets on a network. Yeah.

00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:45.260
You can get into priorities and QoS and all that.

00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:48.000
But again, it's still packets on a network. And

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.199
the guy who talked to me talked about QoS settings.

00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:55.619
And I almost lost it just in that moment by itself.

00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:59.260
I was really composed. I feel like I kept my...

00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.360
Face mostly in check. Another good save, it sounds

00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:07.480
like. Yep. You've got to stop calling me out.

00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.500
That should be the title of the show, Good Save.

00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.300
Good Save. Kick save and a beaut. And a beaut.

00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:21.360
Listen, Hoser. So it was in that moment, and

00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:26.559
he said QOS, and I almost blurted out, it's the

00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:32.480
only thing on the network. And so like, I get

00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:35.980
it. Like what I was trying to do was set up this

00:44:35.980 --> 00:44:39.900
totally separate network in order to protect

00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:44.239
the traffic on this network from any possible

00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.320
problem. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Isolated on a VLAN.

00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.619
You isolate that bad boy. And I wasn't just going

00:44:50.619 --> 00:44:52.840
to isolate it on a VLAN. I was going to put its

00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:56.300
own like. Oh, dedicated gear. Dedicated gear

00:44:56.300 --> 00:44:59.670
in for it. Um, but it's gear that we know it's

00:44:59.670 --> 00:45:02.909
gear that we work with on it's ubiquity. Like,

00:45:02.969 --> 00:45:06.789
so I was going to put it on unify gear, um, and

00:45:06.789 --> 00:45:08.590
it was going to be separated and it was going

00:45:08.590 --> 00:45:11.090
to do all of this. And I was going to be able

00:45:11.090 --> 00:45:15.590
to see the like traffic of it and to make sure

00:45:15.590 --> 00:45:17.449
that everything was set up. Right. And that's

00:45:17.449 --> 00:45:20.309
what I'm comfortable with doing that with. And

00:45:20.309 --> 00:45:22.550
I, I mean, I was like, you're going to give me

00:45:22.550 --> 00:45:24.010
a piece of gear and you're not going to give

00:45:24.010 --> 00:45:28.610
me a way to like check on it. You know, like

00:45:28.610 --> 00:45:30.110
if something happens, you're not going to give

00:45:30.110 --> 00:45:33.469
me a way to like, uh, adjust something. Sure.

00:45:33.889 --> 00:45:39.469
Um, and like, I don't even know if these switches

00:45:39.469 --> 00:45:44.889
that are in our system now, like what layer are

00:45:44.889 --> 00:45:47.789
these? Like there's nothing about them that I

00:45:47.789 --> 00:45:50.389
actually have. So you, so you're saying that

00:45:50.389 --> 00:45:53.690
you now have switches in the network that are

00:45:53.690 --> 00:45:58.440
plugged into ubiquity, but I'm a, Are we saying

00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.639
that they are at least plugged in on a unique

00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:06.719
VLAN? Mm -hmm. Okay. So yeah, the visibility

00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.300
within the switch, depending on what it is, is

00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:13.619
truly lost. Exactly. If it's not a truly managed

00:46:13.619 --> 00:46:17.039
switch. Right. At best, you're looking at...

00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:23.139
I can't even reserve IPs for these things. I'm

00:46:23.139 --> 00:46:26.599
really annoyed by how... condescending all of

00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:31.599
this was. What's stopping you from the IP assignment?

00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.619
I have no idea which one is which. Oh. So you're

00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:39.800
just seeing just a bunch of MAC addresses pulling

00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.760
IPs and you don't know what is what. Yeah. And

00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.179
there's no way to find the MAC address. No, I

00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:46.940
could go in. I could go find the MAC address.

00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:50.000
But this is so easy on Ubiquiti. I'm like, don't

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:55.550
make me do that. So anyway, there's a lot of

00:46:55.550 --> 00:46:57.869
this that's new. And then I was like, I want

00:46:57.869 --> 00:47:00.530
to have this safety net of something that I understand.

00:47:00.570 --> 00:47:04.590
And I got hit with, it's not Pro AV gear. And

00:47:04.590 --> 00:47:10.250
I was like, I beg to differ. So all of that to

00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:15.630
say, Ubiquiti has now come out with... Pro AV

00:47:15.630 --> 00:47:20.230
switches. Pro AV switches. Yeah. And turns out...

00:47:20.969 --> 00:47:23.889
You can turn your pro switch that you already

00:47:23.889 --> 00:47:28.989
have into a pro AV switch with a firmware. And

00:47:28.989 --> 00:47:32.750
I'm like, all of this is proving to me that this

00:47:32.750 --> 00:47:37.409
is about marketing because they sure did. Our

00:47:37.409 --> 00:47:39.929
ubiquity switches that are all nice and silver

00:47:39.929 --> 00:47:45.510
are not like these pro AVs are black. I'm like,

00:47:45.530 --> 00:47:51.239
all of this is marketing. Yeah. Well, I mean,

00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:54.800
I guess in, in fairness, if I walk into the room

00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.360
and I know my ubiquity gear and I see silver

00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.420
switches with black switches, I know this is

00:48:01.420 --> 00:48:05.820
network. This is AV specific. I'm not, I'm not

00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:11.079
at all like trying to hit, uh, unify for getting

00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.039
on board with this trend, but I am a little bit

00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:17.579
frustrated with this. Like it's necessary thing.

00:48:17.699 --> 00:48:21.559
Like just. Okay, what if instead you knew how

00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.840
to run your gear? What if instead you knew how

00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:29.340
to set up your network? Yeah, had I been in your

00:48:29.340 --> 00:48:31.719
situation, I would have been leaning in hard

00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:36.360
on you need to tell me what these switches are

00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:39.980
going to do that these switches can't. I'm telling

00:48:39.980 --> 00:48:45.380
you, his answer to that was things like QoS.

00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.840
and out of the box and like all of these catchphrases

00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.699
that i know he got from a marketing guy and i

00:48:53.699 --> 00:48:57.179
was like you don't know what you're talking about

00:48:57.179 --> 00:49:00.179
correct so then what i would have then said okay

00:49:00.179 --> 00:49:04.659
explain it to me minus the marketing gobbledygook

00:49:04.659 --> 00:49:07.840
get into the details with me let's get in the

00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.519
weeds i guarantee and let's talk this out because

00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:15.719
this guy was not the like he's not a What he

00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:23.920
is not is a Linksys sales manager. Okay. He's

00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:36.900
a... Don't say it. He's an installer of the gear

00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:41.280
that he likes to install. Okay, fair. But this

00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:47.449
company had already cut... Ethercon ends off

00:49:47.449 --> 00:49:53.849
of cable that I almost lost my mind. To ultimately

00:49:53.849 --> 00:49:57.429
re -terminate it with cat? Yeah. Okay, well.

00:50:01.090 --> 00:50:08.989
I was like, what are you doing? I have cables

00:50:08.989 --> 00:50:15.489
in the ground. Yeah. It hasn't spent, it got

00:50:15.489 --> 00:50:18.090
off the, like I took it out of the box. Yeah.

00:50:18.170 --> 00:50:22.750
I pulled it. It's worked for. A long time. 10

00:50:22.750 --> 00:50:27.489
years now. Yeah. Why did you, why did you, why

00:50:27.489 --> 00:50:32.710
did, why did you do that? Interesting. So I feel

00:50:32.710 --> 00:50:36.070
like that I may be speaking out of line in terms

00:50:36.070 --> 00:50:39.630
of trying to come at this as an AV. Just from

00:50:39.630 --> 00:50:43.320
recent experience that we have dealt with. If

00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:47.300
I was going to be changing cabling uniquely for

00:50:47.300 --> 00:50:52.260
AV, I'm going to be replacing non -shielded with

00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:55.119
shielded. That's the only reason I would make

00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:59.920
a change. Yeah. That's it. If it's Cat 6, if

00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:03.860
it's Cat 6A, I'm fine. And depending upon what

00:51:03.860 --> 00:51:06.420
it is, I can probably even make do with 5E as

00:51:06.420 --> 00:51:10.679
long as it's not video. If it's video, yeah,

00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.079
give me some Cat6, preferably some Cat6A. Let

00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:21.300
me give you some tech here. So the EtherCon cables,

00:51:21.539 --> 00:51:24.000
I mean, you know what I'm talking about when

00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:25.219
I say EtherCon, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:32.829
The ones that I bought, at least, were 5E. because

00:51:32.829 --> 00:51:36.150
6 wasn't really a thing whenever I did this.

00:51:37.510 --> 00:51:41.429
Yeah, 10 years ago. They're Neutrik Ethercon

00:51:41.429 --> 00:51:47.010
cables pulled through whatever. And if you know

00:51:47.010 --> 00:51:51.590
what an Ethercon cable is, you know this thing

00:51:51.590 --> 00:51:56.210
looks like an XLR. It does. Until you look for

00:51:56.210 --> 00:52:00.690
the pins. It's got a big old, yeah. until you

00:52:00.690 --> 00:52:04.190
look for the pins this thing is a is an xlr and

00:52:04.190 --> 00:52:10.590
so they're all shielded there is no ethercon

00:52:10.590 --> 00:52:15.570
cable that's not shielded and it was just one

00:52:15.570 --> 00:52:17.610
of those moments that i was like the other guys

00:52:17.610 --> 00:52:20.469
that i know that use ethercon cables are all

00:52:20.469 --> 00:52:25.309
av guys like that's what the you know like why

00:52:25.309 --> 00:52:27.349
are you don't it doesn't it doesn't plug into

00:52:27.349 --> 00:52:32.750
a switch no It plugs into gear for audio. Yes.

00:52:34.349 --> 00:52:38.929
Actually, I don't know video that I know of.

00:52:39.130 --> 00:52:41.989
Not that I know of, no. Yeah, so audio gear.

00:52:42.269 --> 00:52:48.429
Yeah. And this is one of those like, oh, you've

00:52:48.429 --> 00:52:53.829
just got an Ethernet, like an RJ45 plugged into

00:52:53.829 --> 00:52:58.449
that. Yeah. Like, ooh, that's not very. It'd

00:52:58.449 --> 00:53:01.090
be really nice if that was an Ethercon. And they

00:53:01.090 --> 00:53:08.469
cut that off. Anyway, so, like, there was already

00:53:08.469 --> 00:53:12.150
some, like, incredulity. Ooh, not a good term.

00:53:12.289 --> 00:53:15.789
You're on a roll, man. I am SAT in the stuff

00:53:15.789 --> 00:53:20.130
out of this. There was just already, like, this.

00:53:20.510 --> 00:53:24.130
I don't really understand. I don't feel like

00:53:24.130 --> 00:53:27.369
we're seeing eye to eye here. I'm glad I'm here

00:53:27.369 --> 00:53:31.710
in this moment to see that all of this has happened,

00:53:31.809 --> 00:53:34.530
but I'm a little bit frustrated that I wasn't

00:53:34.530 --> 00:53:37.190
here, I don't know, an hour ago to make sure

00:53:37.190 --> 00:53:41.289
you did not do what you just did. And now we're

00:53:41.289 --> 00:53:43.449
talking about network switches, and I'm like,

00:53:43.570 --> 00:53:48.130
I admit, I'm a little out of my depth. I'm not

00:53:48.130 --> 00:53:51.880
like... I am not Chris Kincaid. Wow. And if he

00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:56.280
was here, I feel like I would be... He would

00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.960
backslap you. Like, what? What are you talking

00:53:59.960 --> 00:54:03.079
about? So I heard you say specifically Linksys

00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:06.739
earlier. Did he install a Linksys switch? Two

00:54:06.739 --> 00:54:10.440
of them. So maybe this is a question directed

00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.960
to Jason when he hears this episode. It's not

00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:19.390
the first time that I've heard of an AV... or

00:54:19.390 --> 00:54:21.969
even an integrator, whatever the proper term

00:54:21.969 --> 00:54:23.769
is. Integrator, there you go. That they have

00:54:23.769 --> 00:54:29.750
used Linksys or they've used D -Link or another

00:54:29.750 --> 00:54:32.730
product that technically you could go buy at

00:54:32.730 --> 00:54:36.829
Best Buy. Yeah. And I'm like, so in certain scenarios,

00:54:36.929 --> 00:54:39.969
I understand a manufacturer has said, we have

00:54:39.969 --> 00:54:43.090
tested it against this specific. Wait a minute,

00:54:43.130 --> 00:54:47.190
is it Linksys? It is ProAV, like it says ProV.

00:54:47.630 --> 00:54:51.170
Pro AV on it. There could be something that Linksys

00:54:51.170 --> 00:54:54.869
has, but all that to say, in talking with Jason,

00:54:55.030 --> 00:55:00.090
there have been vendors of a specific piece of

00:55:00.090 --> 00:55:02.670
hardware that have said, we have tested it against

00:55:02.670 --> 00:55:06.469
these models. Sorry, it's Netgear. Oh, well,

00:55:06.469 --> 00:55:09.409
that's in the same boat. Yeah. Nothing against

00:55:09.409 --> 00:55:11.409
Netgear. You can understand why I was like, Linksys.

00:55:11.469 --> 00:55:14.250
It was like Netgear, Linksys. I'm like, whoa,

00:55:14.369 --> 00:55:18.079
timeout, timeout. Yeah, you'd have a hard time

00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:25.340
convincing me that it is truly AV -specific.

00:55:25.780 --> 00:55:30.539
But it says AV on it, man. Well... It says AV.

00:55:30.699 --> 00:55:33.219
Apple has an Apple logo on it, but that doesn't

00:55:33.219 --> 00:55:38.659
mean it's great. ha ha ha bazinga no for sure

00:55:38.659 --> 00:55:40.900
you got me before the show and i got you in the

00:55:40.900 --> 00:55:45.440
show mine is now recorded for posterity for posterity

00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.460
there you go um yeah no like that but i'm i'm

00:55:48.460 --> 00:55:50.940
saying that ironically the the amount of times

00:55:50.940 --> 00:55:53.639
that it's like oh guys did you just buy the thing

00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:58.639
because it has the the badge on it like don't

00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:00.699
yeah don't buy the thing because it's got the

00:56:00.699 --> 00:56:03.389
badge on it Yeah. Like you need to know what

00:56:03.389 --> 00:56:05.929
the thing is before it's just like the, the,

00:56:05.989 --> 00:56:09.429
the marketing team got you. Yeah. You got marketed.

00:56:09.530 --> 00:56:11.329
That's for sure. Like that's what, that's what

00:56:11.329 --> 00:56:13.889
happened right now. And so I'm not saying that

00:56:13.889 --> 00:56:15.969
they don't, I'm not saying that they did not

00:56:15.969 --> 00:56:21.190
go through and preset things to make sure that

00:56:21.190 --> 00:56:28.949
the kind of traffic that is used by Dante and,

00:56:28.989 --> 00:56:32.849
and, uh, Crestron and all of these other like

00:56:32.849 --> 00:56:36.969
leading AV like companies that that's not somehow

00:56:36.969 --> 00:56:41.610
prioritized and that it's also not like, um,

00:56:41.849 --> 00:56:46.309
like that they, they probably have, um, Oh my

00:56:46.309 --> 00:56:50.769
gosh. What am I trying to, um, they've, they've

00:56:50.769 --> 00:56:52.809
probably got the timing of like their, their,

00:56:52.989 --> 00:56:59.909
uh, uh, lease renewals, like set to a certain

00:56:59.909 --> 00:57:01.949
thing. Like I, I'm sure like it's all the way

00:57:01.949 --> 00:57:05.150
down to like some really tricky, like, Oh, well

00:57:05.150 --> 00:57:07.210
you need to make sure that you've done this in

00:57:07.210 --> 00:57:10.030
order to make this run the best. But the idea

00:57:10.030 --> 00:57:16.469
that you have to have it because it has AV on

00:57:16.469 --> 00:57:21.670
the side of it is absolute trash. Yes. So I,

00:57:21.789 --> 00:57:26.829
where I see this and, again, apologize to all

00:57:26.829 --> 00:57:29.489
the AV guys out there, not trying to throw you

00:57:29.489 --> 00:57:31.610
under the bus, not so much AV guys maybe as it

00:57:31.610 --> 00:57:39.469
is the integrators, is instead of actually doing

00:57:39.469 --> 00:57:43.750
the work on a real switch, you would rather buy

00:57:43.750 --> 00:57:49.010
something that another vendor tested and said,

00:57:49.090 --> 00:57:52.519
hey, You buy this model. It has exactly what

00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.239
we want our settings to be. So you literally

00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.340
plug it in and you don't have to do any work.

00:57:59.539 --> 00:58:01.800
That's where I think a lot of this goes to. And

00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:04.519
all that tells me, Chris, is that they're not

00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.480
going to understand when a problem happens what

00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:09.519
the problem is. Correct. And so there's that

00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:13.119
like, I mean, I get it. If you don't know what

00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.780
you're doing, there's a chance that you could

00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:18.010
have messed something up. You plug in one of

00:58:18.010 --> 00:58:20.130
these AV switches and you're going to be like,

00:58:20.250 --> 00:58:23.550
oh, it works. Well, that's the magic sauce. I

00:58:23.550 --> 00:58:28.869
was like, well, yeah. Or you go read a Reddit

00:58:28.869 --> 00:58:34.110
stream. Like, you know, watch a YouTube video.

00:58:34.190 --> 00:58:36.829
Like, I don't know. Like try to figure out what

00:58:36.829 --> 00:58:41.750
the heck is actual. I don't know. The whole thing

00:58:41.750 --> 00:58:46.449
just rubbed me so wrong. Yeah. And I'm like,

00:58:46.590 --> 00:58:52.010
I just, I want vindication. It is selfish. I

00:58:52.010 --> 00:58:54.750
know what's happening. I want vindication. Sure.

00:58:54.889 --> 00:58:58.329
I want to be told by the guy that I trust. Well,

00:58:58.349 --> 00:58:59.750
it's the fact that you know. That we could have

00:58:59.750 --> 00:59:04.250
done this just fine. Yeah, that had the installer,

00:59:04.510 --> 00:59:09.309
integrator, whatever proper term is, knew a thing

00:59:09.309 --> 00:59:12.809
or two about networking. Or if he had a resource

00:59:12.809 --> 00:59:17.480
in his company. who knows about networking, they

00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:21.019
could have said, hey, these are the specific

00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:23.400
settings that we need. Because a good example

00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:26.500
of this is when Jason was setting up the Mahalo

00:59:26.500 --> 00:59:30.059
for the Forge, and we were looking at network

00:59:30.059 --> 00:59:32.579
equipment, he was like, it needs to be able to

00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:35.960
do these specific things. And we realized that

00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:37.980
not all switches could do all those things, depending

00:59:37.980 --> 00:59:41.800
on the level of switch that you purchase. We

00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:46.019
were looking at that time Meraki. And we're like,

00:59:46.099 --> 00:59:48.400
okay, this is the switch that we want. We looked

00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.139
at the specs on that switch and it checked all

00:59:51.139 --> 00:59:54.239
the boxes for what he needed. So when the switch

00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:57.219
came in, we were able to configure those specific

00:59:57.219 --> 01:00:01.039
requirements so that it worked properly. And

01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.800
that's all you need to know. But the guy who's

01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:09.619
on the other side just going, oh, it does QoS

01:00:09.619 --> 01:00:13.079
right. I'm like, nothing else is on the network.

01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.460
What are you talking about? Correct. Yeah, if

01:00:15.460 --> 01:00:17.360
it's the only thing there. When they say certain

01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:18.880
things to you in order to win the conversation

01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:22.320
or the argument and you're like, you're making

01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.699
me rethink everything that I know right now because

01:00:25.699 --> 01:00:31.039
I don't think that that matters if you're on

01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:33.920
a separated network. Correct. I mean, at that

01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:37.159
point, you're literally going, how do I tell

01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:43.940
you that you are? On the nice and ignorant, or

01:00:43.940 --> 01:00:47.219
ignant, as I've heard some people say, probably

01:00:47.219 --> 01:00:51.599
closer, and this is harsh, to stupid without

01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.619
telling you that you're ignorant or you're stupid.

01:00:54.900 --> 01:00:58.199
Yeah. Because you don't understand. Well, we're

01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.739
standing in a church, Chris. I can't say something

01:01:00.739 --> 01:01:02.000
like that. But we're not standing in a church.

01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.440
We're in a home. This is a house. This is a house.

01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.460
It's on the property of the church. You don't

01:01:06.460 --> 01:01:10.289
need to say that. Well, I said it. It's out there

01:01:10.289 --> 01:01:14.349
for everyone to know. So, yeah, it's how do you

01:01:14.349 --> 01:01:16.789
explain to this person in as polite a terms as

01:01:16.789 --> 01:01:22.309
you can is you don't know networking. Yeah. You

01:01:22.309 --> 01:01:25.409
need the network to do the networking for you.

01:01:25.590 --> 01:01:28.449
Yeah. And I get that this person's, their bread

01:01:28.449 --> 01:01:31.610
and butter is AV. They're not a network expert.

01:01:31.909 --> 01:01:34.050
Right. But they should have somebody in the organization.

01:01:34.429 --> 01:01:39.869
Right. That is that. subject matter expert to

01:01:39.869 --> 01:01:43.130
say what we need to know up ahead of time, what

01:01:43.130 --> 01:01:45.929
vendor are you using? What switch models are

01:01:45.929 --> 01:01:48.889
you using? And we can tell you if those are compatible

01:01:48.889 --> 01:01:50.969
with the features that this equipment needs.

01:01:51.110 --> 01:01:54.849
And we could say, yes, yours has it. These are

01:01:54.849 --> 01:01:58.369
the things that need to be configured. Or we

01:01:58.369 --> 01:02:01.150
hate to tell you, but your switch doesn't support

01:02:01.150 --> 01:02:04.699
jumbo packets. You need switches that support

01:02:04.699 --> 01:02:08.940
jumbo packets. So unless you're willing to replace

01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:10.679
your switches with switches that can do jumbo

01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:14.079
packets, then you need to take what we are recommending

01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:21.880
you put in the network. So, yeah. So, yeah, that's

01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:24.219
a tough conversation to have. Because, I mean,

01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:28.460
it turns into a, put it politely, it can turn

01:02:28.460 --> 01:02:34.210
into a peeing contest. There you go. And it can

01:02:34.210 --> 01:02:36.530
become very frustrating very fast. Well, I can

01:02:36.530 --> 01:02:40.869
hit the toilet from six feet away. I can hit

01:02:40.869 --> 01:02:49.030
it from 10. Yeah, perfect timing. Wait until

01:02:49.030 --> 01:02:53.090
you had your mouth full. So anyway, that's kind

01:02:53.090 --> 01:02:58.070
of what that was. That made me more than a little.

01:02:59.050 --> 01:03:03.090
I guess just confused. I mean, that's my default

01:03:03.090 --> 01:03:08.690
in that. And it makes me frustrated. I was fighting

01:03:08.690 --> 01:03:11.130
back some anger inside of me because nobody likes

01:03:11.130 --> 01:03:14.130
to feel like an idiot. Yeah. And that was definitely

01:03:14.130 --> 01:03:16.750
the level that I was at where I was like, I don't

01:03:16.750 --> 01:03:22.030
usually feel like an idiot in this area. And

01:03:22.030 --> 01:03:30.000
either I'm really missing something or... You're

01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:36.159
not telling me. I don't want to say you're not

01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:39.099
telling me the truth. You don't know what I know

01:03:39.099 --> 01:03:42.079
about this, which is. You're regurgitating the

01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:44.480
talking points. I can make this work. Yeah. I'm

01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.400
just asking you to just let me make this work.

01:03:46.659 --> 01:03:49.960
Yeah. It's going to be better for me. Okay. I'm

01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.460
going to play devil's advocate. Yeah. So this

01:03:52.460 --> 01:03:55.000
gear is installed and everything is functional.

01:03:55.179 --> 01:04:01.380
Yep. So what is to stop you? Nothing from bypassing

01:04:01.380 --> 01:04:04.619
the gear and bringing it onto your gear and showing

01:04:04.619 --> 01:04:06.980
that everything still works. I'm actually like,

01:04:07.059 --> 01:04:10.340
uh, my boss was talking to me about doing that.

01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.980
Okay. Okay. Yeah. All right. We'll probably,

01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:15.579
now that we've let them do their thing and then

01:04:15.579 --> 01:04:18.780
maybe we can sell these. Yeah. I tried to recoup

01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:21.579
some money out of it. Yeah, absolutely. Yikes.

01:04:21.619 --> 01:04:29.739
Or, um, um, pull a, um, goodwill hunting. Get

01:04:29.739 --> 01:04:31.480
it all switched over, show it works, and go,

01:04:31.579 --> 01:04:35.599
how do you like them apples? That's like, what

01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.320
exactly are we talking about? Where are we going

01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:40.300
with that? Yes. Yeah, that's tough that when

01:04:40.300 --> 01:04:41.940
you're trying to have a conversation with somebody

01:04:41.940 --> 01:04:45.400
and you know that they don't know other than

01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:49.059
the buzz terms and the marketing gobbledygook.

01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:53.719
And there's no polite way, I guess, in that scenario

01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:56.659
to go, you're out of your element. You don't

01:04:56.659 --> 01:04:58.860
know what you're talking about. Right. So, yeah,

01:04:58.900 --> 01:05:01.340
that's tough. Or at least the way that you're

01:05:01.340 --> 01:05:03.659
saying this to me makes me think that you're

01:05:03.659 --> 01:05:06.980
out of your element. Yes. Because that didn't

01:05:06.980 --> 01:05:11.900
make any sense. Okay. Why don't we jump to the...

01:05:11.900 --> 01:05:14.260
Yeah, there is no smooth transition to the next.

01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:17.960
Nope. We're going to do... At some point, I think

01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:19.679
maybe next show, maybe the next show, we'll talk

01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:22.860
about the Unify NAS that just came out. Well,

01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:26.909
it would help if... Maybe this is our transition.

01:05:27.909 --> 01:05:32.030
It would help if Albie would stop being jerks.

01:05:32.030 --> 01:05:35.829
Yeah. Because we could use boosts to make the

01:05:35.829 --> 01:05:37.929
transition. Okay, we're going to transition the

01:05:37.929 --> 01:05:39.789
boost, and now we're in the second half of the

01:05:39.789 --> 01:05:43.630
show. Sadly. Yes. So I don't know if I told you

01:05:43.630 --> 01:05:46.369
or not, as I'm trying to help you with the segue,

01:05:46.510 --> 01:05:51.210
there are no boosts because Albie are being jerks.

01:05:51.389 --> 01:05:54.429
They closed the channel to my server at home.

01:05:55.029 --> 01:05:57.969
And in order to reopen the channel, they want

01:05:57.969 --> 01:06:02.269
me to pay them 20 bucks. Why? Because you have

01:06:02.269 --> 01:06:05.869
to have liquidity to open a channel. Why? Because

01:06:05.869 --> 01:06:08.690
they closed it. Why do I have to prove liquidity?

01:06:09.769 --> 01:06:13.230
That's the nature of the lightning network. You

01:06:13.230 --> 01:06:15.230
have to put some liquidity in to open up the

01:06:15.230 --> 01:06:19.960
channel. Ultimately, I said... That sounds like

01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:22.039
a ploy. That sounds like something my wife would

01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:24.179
tell me in order to go buy something. Speaking

01:06:24.179 --> 01:06:27.059
of, apparently our wives were at the same hair

01:06:27.059 --> 01:06:31.320
place the other day. I believe that. They need

01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.340
to run into each other more often. Yes. All that

01:06:35.340 --> 01:06:38.659
to say, they wanted $20 and I told them, no,

01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:44.440
thank you. I talked to RSS .com. They only do

01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:50.900
that with... Albi. So if we, I was like, I have

01:06:50.900 --> 01:06:55.300
my own lightning wallet. I'm running it at home.

01:06:55.460 --> 01:06:59.440
Can I put that in our RSS feed? No, we only do

01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.139
that with Albi. So what we need to consider,

01:07:02.219 --> 01:07:06.400
if we're that serious about opening up boosts

01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:10.760
and getting it past, yes, and getting it beyond

01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:14.019
the Jason Court segment, we are going to have

01:07:14.019 --> 01:07:16.719
to look at another hosting company. Okay. Which

01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:20.159
is a bummer. RSS has done great for us. Guys,

01:07:20.179 --> 01:07:24.500
you're witnessing this staff meeting. Yeah, you

01:07:24.500 --> 01:07:27.019
are. As it happens. This is our version of a

01:07:27.019 --> 01:07:29.639
board meeting. Love it. So I'll have to look

01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:31.679
at other. I kind of love that this is our version

01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:34.239
of a board meeting. There you go. I'm eating

01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:35.960
Cheez -Its. You're eating Cheez -Its and we're

01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:38.500
drinking beer. That's my kind of a board meeting.

01:07:38.579 --> 01:07:41.579
That's right. Oh, speaking of real quick, one

01:07:41.579 --> 01:07:43.920
more. Tangent, and I promise we'll get back on

01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:48.099
task. Last week was Jacob's first week on the

01:07:48.099 --> 01:07:51.480
job. Okay. He's working for Topgolf. Yes. Take

01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:55.559
a guess at what they have in the corporate break

01:07:55.559 --> 01:08:03.539
room. Is it the Tiger Woods Golden Tee game?

01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:08.719
No. What? They have beer on tap. Oh, no. But

01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.579
before, I had to make it sound grandiose, and

01:08:11.579 --> 01:08:14.539
now I'm going to, like, crush you. Oh, no. It's

01:08:14.539 --> 01:08:20.199
Michelob Ultra. Oh. Well, that's just mean. Well,

01:08:20.260 --> 01:08:22.220
I figured that's their way of saying we want

01:08:22.220 --> 01:08:23.979
to have something on tap, but we don't want to

01:08:23.979 --> 01:08:25.960
encourage people to sit here all day. You're

01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:29.260
not actually going to drink this. I was joking

01:08:29.260 --> 01:08:32.800
earlier today that, okay, give me the Michelob

01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.560
Ultra, but I'm going to put my black food color

01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.899
in it to make it look. better like nope nobody's

01:08:40.899 --> 01:08:43.359
gonna see me drinking a clear liquid no no no

01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:45.920
no so okay so all that to say that's hilarious

01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.079
i'll have to figure out another hosting company

01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.380
i'll let you know when i settle on okay and we'll

01:08:50.380 --> 01:08:52.380
go we'll go from there and eventually we will

01:08:52.380 --> 01:08:55.239
bring boosts back and use boosts as a way to

01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:58.520
transition to second half of show which we've

01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:03.970
got a um Yes. So in fairness, last week we attacked

01:09:03.970 --> 01:09:07.430
Apple or I attacked Apple. Uh -huh. So I'll be

01:09:07.430 --> 01:09:11.250
honest. So in fairness, this week we have a Microsoft

01:09:11.250 --> 01:09:14.289
wall. So fair and balanced, right? Because it

01:09:14.289 --> 01:09:18.029
happens both ways. Oh, boy, does it? So all this,

01:09:18.189 --> 01:09:22.109
yeah, so. Linux, you're safe for now. Oh, no,

01:09:22.149 --> 01:09:23.630
they're not safe either. They have their own

01:09:23.630 --> 01:09:25.770
fair share of exploits. I said safe for now.

01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:28.079
Well, I'll catch them next week. How about that?

01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:32.300
There you go. So this is specific to Windows

01:09:32.300 --> 01:09:35.960
11 and Windows Server 2022. And the reason why

01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:38.260
it's 2022 is because it's built off of Windows

01:09:38.260 --> 01:09:41.479
11. Yeah, this one kind of blows my mind. Yeah,

01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.300
it's insane. So I'm going to do a little bit

01:09:43.300 --> 01:09:45.239
of reading from this article. So I apologize

01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.399
up front. But this is specifically referring

01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:54.649
to an exploit in 24H2, which is a fair. fairly

01:09:54.649 --> 01:09:58.630
recent release of Windows. So this gets into

01:09:58.630 --> 01:10:05.189
vulnerability basically at the, sadly, at the

01:10:05.189 --> 01:10:09.189
kernel level. So this affects both Windows 11

01:10:09.189 --> 01:10:16.409
24H2 and Windows Server 2022 24H2. It is a low,

01:10:16.550 --> 01:10:22.329
giving low privilege attackers. including sandbox

01:10:22.329 --> 01:10:25.609
apps, a foothold to escalate attacks, which is

01:10:25.609 --> 01:10:29.789
concerning for those who want to dig deeper.

01:10:29.890 --> 01:10:31.430
I mean, I know I don't like getting attacked

01:10:31.430 --> 01:10:33.390
in my sandbox. I don't either. I just want to

01:10:33.390 --> 01:10:35.789
have fun in the sandbox. Seriously, guys, leave

01:10:35.789 --> 01:10:40.069
me alone with doom. That's bullying. That's hate

01:10:40.069 --> 01:10:42.770
speech. That's hate speech. Yes. So for those

01:10:42.770 --> 01:10:46.720
who want to dig deeper, it is CVE. Dash two zero

01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:50.380
two five dash five three one three six. You can

01:10:50.380 --> 01:10:53.819
go out and read on this for yourself. And if

01:10:53.819 --> 01:10:56.439
you know what that means, you are a nerd. Yeah,

01:10:56.500 --> 01:10:59.460
but in a good way. I mean, the best way possible

01:10:59.460 --> 01:11:01.680
and the best way possible. We need to get you

01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:05.779
a badge. This affects and there's no way to say

01:11:05.779 --> 01:11:14.100
this easily. RTL SID hash initialize. from Microsoft's

01:11:14.100 --> 01:11:21.579
2024 exploit. It now passes kernel token dot

01:11:21.579 --> 01:11:26.180
user in groups pointer as its first parameter.

01:11:26.779 --> 01:11:31.000
So all this to say... And a user buffer is third.

01:11:31.260 --> 01:11:33.060
Yeah, there's a user buffer. You're correct.

01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:35.579
You're correct. So the function mistakenly writes

01:11:35.579 --> 01:11:38.159
the sensitive kernel pointer into the user buffer.

01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:41.199
Thank you, John. Very important. Yes, before

01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:43.979
replacing it with a benign value. Although the

01:11:43.979 --> 01:11:46.260
pointer is removed quickly, this leaves a small

01:11:46.260 --> 01:11:49.239
but explodable window in which an attacker can

01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:53.340
capture it from user space. I just want to, like...

01:11:53.340 --> 01:12:01.220
The cracker's got him, folks. That window is

01:12:01.220 --> 01:12:07.380
tiny. It is. Like, the fact that they... Yeah.

01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:13.600
Later on in this article. Yes, yes. It talks

01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:15.500
about how it's... He's giving away the good stuff,

01:12:15.619 --> 01:12:18.699
folks. Anyway, go ahead. I don't want to give

01:12:18.699 --> 01:12:20.859
away the good stuff. It's just like this is really

01:12:20.859 --> 01:12:25.460
scary. It is. Honestly, it is. It is. So basically

01:12:25.460 --> 01:12:28.380
to exploit this, all an attacker has to do is

01:12:28.380 --> 01:12:31.640
create two concurrent threads. One repeatedly

01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:36.180
calls the NT query information token system,

01:12:36.380 --> 01:12:40.050
which calls... system call with the token access

01:12:40.050 --> 01:12:43.270
information class which triggers the vulnerability

01:12:43.270 --> 01:12:46.390
yeah so it opens that window over and over and

01:12:46.390 --> 01:12:49.529
over it does yes to expose it i mean the tiny

01:12:49.529 --> 01:12:51.710
window we're talking about a pinhole but like

01:12:51.710 --> 01:12:54.170
yes yes yes yes but it's driving a mac truck

01:12:54.170 --> 01:12:58.609
through a pinhole the other thread continuously

01:12:58.609 --> 01:13:02.670
reads from the user buffer at the exact offset

01:13:02.670 --> 01:13:07.039
where the kernel pointer is stored By racing

01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:09.739
the read operation against the brief moment.

01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:15.199
Again, we're talking fractions upon fractions

01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:19.939
of a second here, folks. Unbelievable. the brief

01:13:19.939 --> 01:13:22.840
moment when the pointer is exposed the hacker

01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:25.939
can reliably obtain the leaked address of the

01:13:25.939 --> 01:13:29.460
tokens user and groups field that's the like

01:13:29.460 --> 01:13:31.840
that phrase that's the one that made me pee a

01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.720
little bit when it said reliably rely and i was

01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.180
like oh no and when you realize how small of

01:13:39.180 --> 01:13:42.560
a fraction of time that they're that they're

01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:45.199
targeting and they can do it reliably it's like

01:13:46.060 --> 01:13:48.079
Not only am I going to drive this Mack truck

01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:51.340
through that pinhole, I'm going to do it on a

01:13:51.340 --> 01:13:54.939
regular basis. Yes, I am. Watch me hold my beer.

01:13:55.060 --> 01:13:57.600
I feel confident it's going to happen this time.

01:13:58.020 --> 01:14:03.560
What? Yes. So despite being a, no, this sounds

01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:07.760
really bad. Despite being a race condition. Not

01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:09.640
that kind of race. Not that kind of race. The

01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.840
exploit is highly dependable. Think speed. Yes,

01:14:12.859 --> 01:14:16.399
because the time window is wide enough to win

01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.039
consistently. Now, when they say wide enough,

01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:23.000
they make it sound like it's this huge gap of

01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:26.260
time. No. But again, we're talking about fractions

01:14:26.260 --> 01:14:29.840
of a second here, folks. So just crazy that they

01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:33.460
would call it dependable. Yeah. Just insane.

01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:37.279
And in the proof of concept demonstration show,

01:14:37.359 --> 01:14:40.880
the kernel address can be captured almost every

01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:45.229
run. Even from low privilege environments, such

01:14:45.229 --> 01:14:49.130
as low integrity level or app container sandboxes.

01:14:49.449 --> 01:14:52.289
So the fact that you're running a application

01:14:52.289 --> 01:14:56.750
out of a sandbox on top of the OS. In a low,

01:14:56.789 --> 01:14:59.069
like not, you're like super administrative. Oh

01:14:59.069 --> 01:15:01.670
yeah. This isn't like high, high privileged and

01:15:01.670 --> 01:15:04.529
it can do this and it can do it on a consistent

01:15:04.529 --> 01:15:09.989
basis. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So once the attacker

01:15:09.989 --> 01:15:13.039
learns the leaked address, it becomes a powerful

01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:17.039
primitive. Yeah. No, that's what that said. It

01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:18.880
really says primitive. Primitive, okay. Which

01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:21.760
I was like, I mean, that is some speak right

01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:24.380
there. Yeah, it is. So when combined with a write

01:15:24.380 --> 01:15:27.779
what where bug, how's that for a mouthful, the

01:15:27.779 --> 01:15:30.439
attacker can overwrite the privileges field.

01:15:31.069 --> 01:15:34.470
of the token structure and escalate to full local

01:15:34.470 --> 01:15:39.210
admin rights. So I'm going from a low privilege

01:15:39.210 --> 01:15:45.050
application in a sandbox to full local rights.

01:15:45.050 --> 01:15:50.210
I now own you. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So Windows?

01:15:50.609 --> 01:15:54.729
And it kills me. Did I read that or did I skip

01:15:54.729 --> 01:16:03.260
that? Where is that at? Where's that at? They

01:16:03.260 --> 01:16:09.479
specifically talk about Microsoft trying to harden

01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:13.359
the system. And in hardening the system against

01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:18.100
exploits, they created a massive exploit. And

01:16:18.100 --> 01:16:20.380
it's like, I get it. There's a lot that goes

01:16:20.380 --> 01:16:22.760
into an operating system, especially when you've

01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:30.020
got a cumbersome, robust GUI on top. Of the underpinnings.

01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.680
I get it. There's a lot of opportunity there.

01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:36.859
By hardening it, they made it predictable. And

01:16:36.859 --> 01:16:40.199
that's terrible. It's insane. It's absolutely

01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:45.340
insane. Now, this article is just, to be fair,

01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:49.159
this article is from September 12th of this year.

01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:51.539
So it's still fairly recent. That's 10 days ago.

01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:54.439
10 days ago. So at the point of this writing,

01:16:54.659 --> 01:16:57.600
Microsoft has not released an official patch.

01:16:58.270 --> 01:17:00.729
But organizations should prepare to deploy it

01:17:00.729 --> 01:17:03.750
as soon as possible. In the meantime, security

01:17:03.750 --> 01:17:08.130
teams can do the following. Restrict untrusted

01:17:08.130 --> 01:17:10.810
or unknown apps. If you're not doing that by

01:17:10.810 --> 01:17:17.770
default, you're fired. Unplug. Yes. AirGap. Oh,

01:17:17.810 --> 01:17:23.050
that's what it was. I sent you the... Yeah. All

01:17:23.050 --> 01:17:28.359
the floppy disks. Yes. Which always... confused

01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:30.100
me because you know the floppy disks were floppy

01:17:30.100 --> 01:17:31.699
disks and then they came out with these new disks

01:17:31.699 --> 01:17:33.840
that were not floppy but yet but they called

01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:35.960
them floppy disks yes three and a half inch drives

01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:39.220
folks three and a half inch drives in a locked

01:17:39.220 --> 01:17:44.939
plastic box i sent him a picture like that um

01:17:44.939 --> 01:17:47.899
and chris's only response was air gap air gap

01:17:47.899 --> 01:17:51.319
yep that's what makes it safe so you can enforce

01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:55.859
least privilege now i would like to think that

01:17:56.410 --> 01:17:59.250
Everybody is enforcing least privilege, but I

01:17:59.250 --> 01:18:01.529
also understand that there are environments where

01:18:01.529 --> 01:18:04.369
that is difficult to do. Maybe it's an avian

01:18:04.369 --> 01:18:07.770
environment. Hey, oh, sorry. At least you're

01:18:07.770 --> 01:18:10.010
not bitter. That was mean. That was mean spirited.

01:18:10.010 --> 01:18:13.130
At least you're not bitter. So generally you

01:18:13.130 --> 01:18:16.310
should be in doing least privilege. If you're

01:18:16.310 --> 01:18:19.109
in terms of security, you should be there. I

01:18:19.109 --> 01:18:20.970
understand that there are environments where

01:18:20.970 --> 01:18:25.380
people push back on least privilege. I live in

01:18:25.380 --> 01:18:28.399
one of those. I'm sure you live in one of those

01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:29.939
too. They don't know what they're asking for.

01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:32.840
So when you try to explain the concept of least

01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:37.380
privilege, they're like, so tell me why I can't

01:18:37.380 --> 01:18:39.739
install what I want? Because you're not supposed

01:18:39.739 --> 01:18:42.319
to install what you want. It's not your computer.

01:18:42.500 --> 01:18:45.899
You're only supposed to have the least privilege

01:18:45.899 --> 01:18:50.100
that you need to actually achieve your job. You

01:18:50.100 --> 01:18:54.760
do not need local administrative rights. Yeah.

01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:57.779
So, okay. I'll get off that soapbox. I can stay

01:18:57.779 --> 01:19:00.720
there for hours. Strength and detection and response.

01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:04.960
That's going to be EDR. If you're not running

01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:07.460
one, you probably should be running at least

01:19:07.460 --> 01:19:12.420
an EDR and get off a traditional AV. And then

01:19:12.420 --> 01:19:16.840
last is the high impedance, high impedance air

01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:20.930
gap, as we called it. Because it is the isolate

01:19:20.930 --> 01:19:23.789
and test critical systems, which means to literally

01:19:23.789 --> 01:19:26.569
unplug it from the network. So that's what we

01:19:26.569 --> 01:19:28.470
refer to when we say high impedance air gap.

01:19:28.729 --> 01:19:33.449
Just, you know, think oxygen between connectors.

01:19:33.449 --> 01:19:35.689
Yes, oxygen between connectors. There you go.

01:19:36.949 --> 01:19:40.989
Oxygen, nitrogen. Let it breathe. CO2. Look at

01:19:40.989 --> 01:19:44.369
you. Yeah. I'm sure there's one other component

01:19:44.369 --> 01:19:47.550
of air, but all right. So, yeah, all that to

01:19:47.550 --> 01:19:50.979
say. Sometimes when you think you're making something

01:19:50.979 --> 01:19:57.039
more secure, you make it less secure. I put a

01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:00.239
new password in all my apps. It's just the old

01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.340
password with one. Oh. So you replaced it with

01:20:04.340 --> 01:20:07.380
one that has two? Mm -hmm. And then eventually

01:20:07.380 --> 01:20:11.619
replaced it with three? Mm -hmm. Okay. I'm just

01:20:11.619 --> 01:20:14.000
saying what has been said to me before. Oh, no,

01:20:14.100 --> 01:20:17.439
no, no, no, yeah, yeah. So all this to say, if

01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:21.020
you're running Windows, which I admit I'm a Windows

01:20:21.020 --> 01:20:24.420
fanboy, be watching for your updates and get

01:20:24.420 --> 01:20:29.739
them installed. So nobody wants to be a part

01:20:29.739 --> 01:20:33.479
of a compromising situation on your network.

01:20:33.619 --> 01:20:36.479
Whatever you're doing, just be watching for your

01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:40.479
updates. Yes. Regardless of your operating system

01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:43.770
of choice, run your updates, please. Or your

01:20:43.770 --> 01:20:47.909
phone or your tablet. Yes. Or your whatever.

01:20:48.229 --> 01:20:53.350
Just go ahead and your printer. Holy crap. Don't

01:20:53.350 --> 01:20:55.689
get me started on printer exploits. Oh, boy.

01:20:55.850 --> 01:20:58.989
Yep. Oh, that's a whole other show for another

01:20:58.989 --> 01:21:03.050
day. Yeah, there you go. Yikes. I am not looking

01:21:03.050 --> 01:21:04.770
forward to a show where we talk about printers.

01:21:05.550 --> 01:21:10.710
Anyway, who likes printers here? Nobody's raising

01:21:10.710 --> 01:21:13.699
their hand. I like printers. But I don't like

01:21:13.699 --> 01:21:17.340
the fact that when you're working, and I'm not

01:21:17.340 --> 01:21:20.300
going to throw any companies under the bus, but

01:21:20.300 --> 01:21:25.279
when your default login is admin, no password,

01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:30.800
hello. Who's going to guess that? Who? Everybody.

01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:33.939
Okay. Anybody who knows anything. Okay, fine.

01:21:34.380 --> 01:21:37.579
I do guess it on a regular basis. Yeah, you do.

01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:41.250
Maybe there's no password. Enter. Oh my gosh,

01:21:41.310 --> 01:21:44.590
I'm in. I can tell you that it is not specific

01:21:44.590 --> 01:21:49.069
to any one vendor necessarily. It is your company

01:21:49.069 --> 01:21:54.289
who installs your equipment. So there should

01:21:54.289 --> 01:21:56.409
be passwords. And I'm perfectly fine with this

01:21:56.409 --> 01:22:00.470
company saying, we're sorry. We don't give up

01:22:00.470 --> 01:22:04.229
that password. Okay. Seems like some isolation

01:22:04.229 --> 01:22:06.590
and what do you call it? Least privilege. Least

01:22:06.590 --> 01:22:09.369
privilege. Yes. It's like, okay, so give me the

01:22:09.369 --> 01:22:12.409
password. login credentials that I need that

01:22:12.409 --> 01:22:16.729
lets me do X, Y, and Z. And I'm fine with that.

01:22:16.829 --> 01:22:20.569
I don't need to log in as admin. No. But because

01:22:20.569 --> 01:22:23.010
it's admin, no password, it gets exploited like

01:22:23.010 --> 01:22:27.310
crazy. No idea what you're talking about. Well,

01:22:27.489 --> 01:22:30.989
that was a fun show. It was. It was a good beer.

01:22:31.229 --> 01:22:34.970
It is. I'm not done drinking it. Good job, Chris.

01:22:35.270 --> 01:22:39.500
Well, for those, for context, I'm on. Poor number

01:22:39.500 --> 01:22:42.479
two. You are, but you normally are. Yeah, that's

01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:44.939
true. I'm ahead of you typically on the show.

01:22:44.939 --> 01:22:47.779
That was more than a... But I don't have to go

01:22:47.779 --> 01:22:51.119
play softball. Yeah, man. I got to try to run

01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:54.300
around these bases, which is getting harder and

01:22:54.300 --> 01:22:59.300
harder to do. Just saying. If this could numb

01:22:59.300 --> 01:23:04.600
some of the painful... You need some CBD. Ouchies.

01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:09.689
Yeah, I probably do. Solve. Yeah. And that all

01:23:09.689 --> 01:23:13.409
comes down to whether or not your insurance provider

01:23:13.409 --> 01:23:18.890
allows that or not. I learned that. Yeah, insurance,

01:23:19.010 --> 01:23:25.590
man. Yeah. Anyway, we're not going to talk about

01:23:25.590 --> 01:23:27.369
that on a show. No, we're not. No, we're not

01:23:27.369 --> 01:23:29.229
going to talk about that rabbit hole. Really

01:23:29.229 --> 01:23:30.789
good to hang out with you, man. Enjoyed it, man.

01:23:30.850 --> 01:23:33.489
It was good. Very grateful. Yep. All right, guys.

01:23:33.590 --> 01:23:56.939
I'll see you later. See you, everybody. Dadgummit,

01:23:56.939 --> 01:23:58.840
another doozy of a podcast.