Oh, that's the wrong button. Oh, we don't do
bloopers. Yeah, anyway. Hey, Chris. How you doing?
Good, John. How are you? I'm doing good. What
are we drinking today? You've got a story to
tell. Yes, this is a... I'm hoping they make
this permanent. Okay. This is actually a blend
of two beers. Okay. This is Giant Slayer and
Sanctimonium. oh hang on hang on hang on hang
on maybe you did like you said something about
this at one point this is a true vine yes and
you've got it in a growler and now i'm feeling
like i just misspoke was this possibly with saint
james gate which is their version of a guinness
really yes it's it's not bad i haven't had that
i've had sanctimonium and i've had giant slayer
i haven't had saint James Gate, is that what
you just said? Yes. So, no, yeah, that's correct.
This is Giant Slayer and Sanctimonia. They do
another blend called Shepherd Boy that is Giant
Slayer and the St. James Gate. Not as big a fan
of that blend. Okay. This one, you will not need
a backup beer, I promise. Okay, because I have...
What was it? Full Grown Man? Full Grown Man.
That's a good backup. That one's just sitting
in the fridge waiting for when we have a bad
situation. I think it will sit for today. Okay.
So, yeah, this is new to me. I don't know how
long they've been doing this, but it's tasty.
Okay. All right. It's new to you, but you've
already had it. Yes. Okay. So, I mean, not that
I go to True Vine all the time. Right. It's a
little out of the way. We're generally on one
side of Tyler, and True Vine is more in the middle
west. It's inside the old loop. This is what
happens when you have no nails. You know what
I mean? You get it? I think I got it. They put
a piece of tape around the top. Gonna make it,
gonna make it, gonna make it. Gonna make it,
gonna make it. This is even worse than Maker's
Mark because at least Maker's Mark, the wax is
big enough to be able to peel. There we go. Well,
sort of. The electric tape on this top is impressive.
I should have videoed that for everybody to be
able to. Well, if you've ever had a growler,
you know what I'm getting into. At least from
Truevine. Oh, there we go. It's a lot of work
to make sure you don't open it on your way home.
Yes. No open containers, please. Or I guess so
it doesn't leak. I don't know. I think it's more
about the open container law. That's stupid.
Than anything. It's like having a seal not broken.
Would you like the first pour? No, you should
have the first pour. You bought this. I've had
it before. Okay, fine. You can have the first
pour. I even put it in some ice to try to keep
it cold. Yeah, you did. Because you're that kind
of thoughtful. We're just drinking from the jug.
Throw it over my... What do you call it? Tell
me when to stop. Forearm. I mean, it's a big
growler. We got big mugs. Okay. That's good.
All right. Yeah, unfortunately. I can smell that
from over here. It's good. Wow. I mean, this
is going to be great. Oh yeah. It, it, it smells
really like rich. You know what I mean? Yes.
Like this is fuel heavy. All right. I got to
play softball tonight. This is going to be running
around. Maybe it'll be good. Cause then I won't
feel any pain. Cause I, you're just going to
feel good. I just am so old to be playing softball.
Don't talk to me about old. I'm just saying,
man, you're not trying to play softball. No,
I'm not. Cause I know, I know my limits. I thought
it was going to be fun and it's fun. But anyway,
here we go. Thoughts. All right. It's really
good. I'm trying to, it's weird. I must say this.
I feel like I tasted more in the top of my mouth
than on my tongue, which is a strange thing to
say. I understand that. I think that has to do
with, it doesn't taste, it's not like heavy.
For as dark of a beer as this is, it's not heavy.
It's a little bit fruity. There's a sweetness,
but I wouldn't call it chocolate sweetness. I
don't know what they're going to talk about inside
of this. It's funny because I remember they made
a beer. True Vine made a beer at some point.
I don't know if they're making it still or not.
I think it was the Back to the Future one. Bach
to the Future. Bach to the Future, yeah. Um,
and they made that like the sweetener or the,
like, uh, some, some, they, they have to not
sweetener the sugar that they used. Uh, I think
that they, they got that from like fruity pebbles
or something. And it, I mean, it's a weird thing
to say because it's not like you drink the beer
and you're like, Oh, I taste fruity pebbles.
That's not what's going on. Yeah. But I kind
of taste fruity pebbles in this one. Maybe it's
just like, it's, it's, it's that kind of, it's
not like this, like, you know, we're talking
about beer. So the idea of like eating fruity
pebbles while you're drinking a beer is a little
bit disgusting, but that's the kind of like pour
the beer in your cereal. Okay. Who needs milk?
That's a level. So I think it's safe to say that
you don't need your backup. No, it's fantastic.
What am I getting? I think the other thing. It
just like hits me in the back of the mouth. Yeah.
Having just been there Saturday night. Okay.
A couple nights ago and had this. Two different
people pouring it. It tastes not. It's not bad.
It's great. But it doesn't taste exactly the
way that it tasted Saturday night. And because
when I've gone, what they're literally doing
is they're. opening the tap on Giant Slayer,
filling it up so far, and then opening the tap
on St. Demonia and filling it up the rest of
the way. It's not like they pre -mixed it in
the back, slapped it in a keg, and now it's a
controlled mixture. So it's always going to be
a different. There will be some variation based
on the person pouring. I wonder which one I'm
tasting more now then because it's been a while
since I've had Giant Slayer. I feel like sanctimonium
I've had fairly recently. Yeah. Sanctimonium
has a little more bitter to me. Yeah. Where the
bitter in this is a little more subdued. That's
why I feel like maybe this is a little more giant
slayer. Maybe. Anyway, it's good. It's really
good. I'm surprised at how light it is, but it's
so smooth. Yep. Um, doesn't have, doesn't have
real bite or anything like that. Um, I feel like
I'm going to drink this pretty fast and then
see how we're doing. I believe it is 10%. Really?
Yes. Cause giant Slater is 10 and I think sanctimonium
is 10. So don't know how we would measure it
if it was not, but not or yeah. Anyway, that's...
It's a good beer, though. That is a good beer.
I would recommend it. Yes. Our friend Paul, who's
not listening, isn't a fan of mixed drinks, but...
He might be a fan of this one. This feels a little
bit different than a mixed... I mean, you know,
like... I get it, but at the same time... He's
more of a whiskey guy, is he not? Scotch. I'm
sorry. I spoke wrong. Scotch whiskey. There is
a difference. Scotch. Anyway, yeah. No, it's...
Yeah, because I called him one time when I had
a... Have you ever had a black and blue? No.
So, I mean, there may be multiple ways of doing
this, so please don't comment. If you think of
black and blue is different, but I had a black
and blue. That was a Guinness on the bottom of
like they poured Guinness and then they poured
a blue moon over the top. So it's very dark on
the bottom. Yeah. And it is very light on the
top. Yes. And they don't like they didn't they
don't they didn't mix like it didn't turn into
like some. You know, or whatever. It was just
like there were two halves of this beer. Well,
you know what that is? Viscosity? No, the Guinness
said you shall not pass. I mean, but really,
like, so I drank, it tasted like drinking different
than this. Like, it tasted like drinking, I drank
a little Blue Moon and I drank a Guinness. And
there in the middle, I got a little bit of both
because you, you know, you're, you're actually
like whatever, but they weren't like, it wasn't
the Guinness like trying to sneak past the blue
moon. Like there was none, none of that. Like
it was, it was a very interesting beer to have.
I guess the closest I've had to that is called
a black and tan. It's Guinness on the bottom
and then harp on top. It's exactly like that.
Yep. It's just kind of weird to see them separated
that noticeably. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're
welcome for the Gandalf reference. Absolutely.
I mean, that's what we're here for. I need my
staff. And so many others. Yeah, absolutely.
And a little more emphasis on the you shall not
pass. I sent you a Princess Bride quote this
week. I'm looking back at her. Yes, you did.
Text message. Okay, so while we're still in our
beer section, what did this Convict Hill that
you had? Yes, yes. What was that? Jason, tell
us about the beer. I'm trying to remember what
they classified as. It was good. Very dark. That
was a picture, bro. Dude, well, yeah. I cannot
see it. I can't see through it. I can't see him
on the other side of it. I can't see it. Let
me find that. I did not come prepared for that
one. Well, you know. Independence Brewing, Convict
Hill. It is an oatmeal stock. Okay. 8%. They
say 25 on the bitter. Okay. It felt more like
50 to me. Okay. Not bad. Yeah. But the bitter,
it hit a little bit harder than I would have
expected for an IBU of 25. Okay. That's fair.
Still very, very good. Yeah. I didn't get the
oatmeal. Yeah, this is like an IBU of like 10.
Yeah, that feels pretty low. Five. I got kind
of the chocolate, a little bit of the coffee,
which I think is kind of where maybe some of
that bitter could be coming from. Again, not
as heavy as you might think it would be for a
beer. I liked it. I would put it in sort of like
the breakfast out. Okay. Kind of in that range.
Okay. But it was good. Yeah. It was good. It's
the only place I've ever seen it is at Reba's
there in LaGrange. They have tremendous pizza.
Thanks for not taking a picture of your pizza.
I appreciate that. Well, yeah, because the pizza
hadn't come yet. Oh, well, there you go. Well,
I could have sent you the picture that I sent
the guys on Saturday night. No, I'm good. Oh,
yeah. You should have got it, too. Yeah. Sola
Pizza and Archangel. Yeah. Sola Pizza and Tyler.
It's good. Also good. They got some fun ones,
too. You might get a kick out of that. New host.
Oh, my gosh. Nope. Jason sent that to me. Stacey
Abrams is projected to be the new host of Jimmy
Kimmel Tonight. We're not a political podcast.
We're not a political podcast. No, but we can
admit when something is funny. It's hilarious.
It is funny. Yeah. What we need to do if we're
going to talk anything political, you need to
do it as if you're Macho Man Randy Savage. I
mean. Oh, yeah. Stacey Abrams, the next host.
Oh, yeah. That was really good, Chris. I've got
to say. What randomly came to mind to me Friday
night, we're at the game. Bringing me back to
my childhood. Yes. And it's just, can you imagine
Macho Man Randy Savage doing the Star Spangled
Banner? I mean, it was just running through my
head. And it's just like, oh, see, can you see
by the dawn's early light what so proudly we
hail? Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah, Mean Gene. The Randy
Savage and his spoken word version of the Star
Spangled Banner. I would have been crazy to hear
him do that in that character. So I don't think
anybody did promos better than him. I think I
would even put him ahead of Ric Flair. I mean,
yeah. I'd probably say Macho Man, Ric Flair,
Hulk Hogan, all of them like really, really,
really close. Yeah, I would have put Hulk above.
Ric Flair, but that was all nostalgia for me.
Yeah. Like Ric Flair. Styling and profiling.
But he was just like, it was just that pretty
boy thing. Yeah. That I was like, you're not
a wrestler. And then they start winning and I'm
like, maybe it is fake. Yes. Anyway, I was just
a little kid. Okay. I was too. It was fun. It
was fun. What are you going to do? So there you
go. Now you're going to go later and you're going
to try to be. Macho man Randy Savage. Just pile
drive somebody right into them. Oh, yeah. You
got to get that growl. You got to get sinuses
flared up, and then you get that radio voice,
and then you can, oh, yeah, I'm the macho man.
It's the cream rises to the top. I'm just saying
you're really good at that for somebody who doesn't
do impressions. I don't know about that. There
are people who do it far better than I do. You're
going to have to listen to it back. It doesn't
sound the same in your head, I'm sure. Oh, yeah.
Oh, my gosh. We're going to have to use that.
You need to pull that as a soundbite. You got
to give me a time code. I'll find it. Before
16. Okay. I'll find it. Okay. All right. I got
us off track. I mean, not really. If we had a
track, then you could get us off track, but we're
more like off -roading this bad boy. Yeah, we
are. This is way less like a railroad and way
more like a four -wheeler. Here we go, folks.
The Mojave or something. Yeah. Anyway. On the
dunes. You sent me something while you were out
of town this past week. Yep. We were sending
each other quite a few things, trying to figure
out some Chromebook stuff and trying to talk
through different issues that were happening.
But one of the things that you sent me was a
quad -channel receiver by Shure. They did an
SLX version of the quad -channel receiver, which
is amazing. It still comes in at that $2 ,600
range. I love Shure. I'm a big fan of Shure.
I think if I could separate in my mind spending
the money for four receivers out, and I think
there's some reality of how much that actually
costs, and hey, this isn't. this isn't that much
money, but you know, you pay it all together
in one lump sum and they don't really give you
any breaks here. Um, cause the SLX version, uh,
still, uh, still alive and kicking, um, over
there at sure. They've got the, the QLX, the
GLX, the SLX, the, um, ULX. Um, and now their
flagship is the Axiom, um, line. Jason, correct
me if I'm wrong. It's actually been a while since
I went, like, deep diving in wireless mics. But
I've used the ULX version for a while now. And
when they made the switch to the digital technology
with wireless mics, that's when they came out
with, like, BLX, I think, and even GLX. But those,
I would say, like, I was pretty underwhelmed
by the budget versions of the digital world of
wireless mics. It was just, you know, there's
a thing that happens whenever you move to...
It was like... um a i was never really really
really able to hear the difference whenever they
went um from class a power in amps to um class
d d was d the i mean i think that i mean there's
b and blah but i think like when you know you
had When all of a sudden you're picking up an
amp and it's not really heavy. Yes. There's like
an audio difference that goes alongside that
with live music. And it's there. I do know if
I put them right next to each other, you can
kind of hear or I can kind of hear the difference
in that. And it had a lot to do. I mean, Chad
was explaining this to me at one point. You're
stair -stepping instead of having a smooth curve
over a frequency. And so you should be able to
hear the difference. It should sound less natural
or less authentic replication of the sound. But
they made it so good that, you know, at least
the ones that I was listening to on a regular
basis, it was harder to perceive. Wireless mics,
I mean, it's totally different and it's the same.
So wireless mics, whenever you have any kind
of interruption or any kind of signal interference
or anything like that, there's a... There's going
to be any transmission of audio, there's going
to be a degradation of the signal. The good news
about wiring things in directly is that all of
that signal is being passed over copper, and
even though there's a degradation because of
how long and the electrical signal going over
a distance, it is pretty negligible. because
of the way that that's interacting across copper.
When you're doing it wirelessly, there is more
of a chance of a perceptible cutout. Sure. The
old versions that were not digital kind of fuzzed
when there was interference or cutout or whatever.
And that's, in my mind, that is more allowable
to an audience. I don't know if it's just because
that's where we came from. Maybe. Then what digital
does, which is dropout. Yeah. So the interference
turns into a signal. Correct. And that's like
dramatic. I understand it was never, I mean,
sometimes I guess it is. But most of the time
it's not that dramatic. It's just kind of you
hear holes. Depends on how people are holding
the mic. Right. Oh, my gosh. Such a. interesting
thing there yeah so i actually like whenever
i first um was like all right we'll try out these
uh digital mics we have to because everything's
moving this direction we actually did cheaper
ones first also because of where we were working
at the time or where i was working at the time
yep um and so i just didn't have a good All the
rooms that we were in were not really set up
well for low -budget wireless stuff, and so it
just turns into kind of a mess. This is a bad
solution. So then you move into ULX, and you
see like, oh, no, you put power behind these
antennas, and you run them inside of the parameters
that are set for you, and wow, no, this is really
good, and it sounds really good. Um, that was
a, that was always a unique thing. SLX in my
mind was always the sweet spot of where I wanted
to be, but they didn't have, um, uh, the same
offerings that they did with this new product,
um, inside of BLX and GLX, um, or the high end
product of the ULX. So seeing SLX come out with
the SLX D four Q plus whatever, um, the pro max
ultra pro max ultra, like you were saying, No
more 3U stacks of gear where you're setting two
receivers right next to each other and two below
them and then an antenna. Yeah, distro. It is
an antenna combiner. No, that's the other side.
Yeah, it's a distro. Yeah. the antenna distro
to be able to send the the antenna signal that's
coming in from your wireless packs out to all
of these receivers and daisy chaining them together
and there's some fun stuff with that like that's
great but you have all of that in a one u box
with these quads and they they've had this in
ulxd for a while again you put your money where
you're You know, big money is. And by comparison,
the ULX -D4Q runs 6776. Yes. So 2639 feels real
good. Correct. At that point. Yes, it does. And
it's always been like the ULX -Ds have always
been a big dog product. But they're not. they're
not touching the axiom stuff. No. Cause that
is a different level. No, I mean, it's yeah.
84 Q is 74 81. So that's actually less than I
thought it was. I thought it was more like 10,
but maybe that's when they first came out or
something. Anyway, there's a lot there. Wireless
technology, man. I think it's like batteries
in that you have to find the right thing that's
going to push innovation in this world. And for
us, we've had wireless mics for a long time.
Man, I don't even... I'm trying to think in the...
I know in the 20 years that I've been in this
space, I've had wireless mics the entire time.
Yeah. I think in the 30 years that I can remember
looking at AV setups, we've had wireless mics
the entire time. That'd be an interesting question.
Maybe we need to have that ready for the next
show, is when was the first wireless mic setup
that was, you know... uh reasonable well and
like quality replicatable like that this was
a product that was being used you know what i
mean like not the first guy who ever figured
out like oh we can wirelessly like that's a long
long long long long long long long time ago i'm
talking about in a venue using a product that's
being sold correct when was that um well just
a real quick Search shows me that in 1953. That's
a long time ago. Shure brought out the Vagabond
88, which was a commercial wireless mic. And
I can guarantee. But that doesn't mean it had.
In 50. Wide usage though. Okay, but that's what
I was asking for though is Shure had a product.
Yes. In the 50s that was doing this. And I'm
sure in the 50s they were going, this isn't going
anywhere. I'm sure they were. That's not reliable.
No. And now you think about the number of things
that we use that are wireless and where people
are like, does your mouse have a wire on it?
Yes. Have you seen that meme? That's the conversation
between the guy and the... You don't know what
the punchline is yet, but you just see me and
then what he's saying is... it doesn't have a
tail so i'm gonna have to say it's a hamster
and then below that it says tech support okay
well right click the hamster yeah i think i've
seen that right click the hamster yes and i mean
like yeah so we don't have tails on these mice
anymore no we don't and you're a little bit weird
if you do like i i got i got blasted by a buddy
of mine because he was like you're using a wired
mic i was like no it's just plugged in Like I
was charging it while I was using it, which,
making fun of Apple here, tells you that it was
not an Apple mouse. No, it was not. Because if
you're plugged into an Apple mouse. You can't
use it. You can't use it because it's on the
bottom. Which one of, which, which, just, that
guy has to have been fired, right? Maybe. I just,
like, I don't, anyway. But the number of things
that we use now that are wireless, everybody
just really frowns at wires now. There's a lot
of like, you know, you want the wireless headphones
and you want the wireless mouse and you want
the wireless phone. If there's a cord attached
to it, it looks like it's from the 90s, which
is hilarious. I got to say, I was always on the...
I really like cables. I really like, you know,
when my job started depending on how things were
running, I stay away from wireless as much as
I can because I don't trust it. Too many environmental
possibilities there. They can go sideways. Too
many things I can't see, you know, and you never
really know when it's going to, like, bite you.
That's where the money's at, making glasses that
allow us to see the aura spectrum. Okay, Chris.
Exit strategy. patent pending. Yes. Can I just
say that out loud? Does that keep all of you
from stealing this idea? I mean, I couldn't imagine
walking into a space, putting those on, setting
the frequency that I want to see, and then just
boom. I was like, whoa. I bet it exists. We need
a way to make it marketable for our people. Yes.
That's something that's on like SEAL Team 6.
Now we've got to get people who are smarter than
us to make it happen. Yeah. I'm just the idea
guy. You go make it happen. Chad, I'm going to
need some of your brain time. Expertise. Anyway.
But yeah, when these... Developments happen because
there's a market for it. You got to understand
a lot of the wireless mic. I mean, it makes sense
that what they had was a cheap version and they
had a really expensive version because that's
really where the musicians and the venues live
is you either have just a little bit of money
and you're going to try it or you have a whole
lot of money. Yeah. And you can buy whatever
you want, and they can put whatever price tag
on it that they can think of. And they're like,
$12 ,000. How do you feel about that? I'm like,
sure. That's what it takes. Take my money. Take
my money. Yeah, you said that. That gift, too.
Yeah. Yes. So, yeah. I think any advances in
this wireless world, and really the ones that
are freaking me out. I actually saw a Shure version,
but that Sennheiser that we talked about a while
back on the show, that's scary. Shure actually,
they have their, I think it may be attached to
their Axiom line. I don't even know if I'm saying
that correctly, but they've got a, Oh my gosh,
what is it called? Oh, that's a combiner. I saw
it a second ago, and I was just telling Chris.
I don't know if anybody else has this problem,
but the Shure website is just the worst thing
in the world. Like, I don't... I want to be...
and I want you to focus on your microphones,
but pay somebody to make a system on your website
that makes it possible for people to actually
see what they're hoping to see instead of all
of this junk that doesn't at all. Okay, I saw
the ANX4, which is a scalable wireless receiver.
For Axiom Digital and ULXD systems. I don't know
what that is. But it looks like it's got a whole
lot of channels that can run to it. Something
like 16. Oh, 24 channels. In a single rack space.
So that's the thing that I'm like, okay. Like,
what? We've had four for a little while. Um,
we're jumping to, um, you notice they do not
have a price on that yet. If you go to their
website and there's not even a, like on the back
of the thing, they don't have 24 outputs. They
have Dante. That's all I'm saying. And then for,
uh, antenna ports. Anyway, it's, The world is
getting strange. And it's moving very, very fast.
Yes, it is. And I do think as IT and AV guys,
I think the speed at which everything's moving,
that should give us a... You know, we got to
have a reality check. And one of the things that
I always loved about you, Chris, is that you
have maintained humility in the midst of having
a lot of knowledge, both just theoretical knowledge
and also experiential knowledge about the things
that everybody else is just kind of speculating
on. Um, lot, a lot of experiential knowledge,
um, about it as well. And so, um, I love that.
I love, I'm very drawn to, um, the humility that
it takes to be like, I don't know. You're trying
to understand somebody's perspective. I also
think it's why you're such a good, um, help desk
personality and then trainer. Um, for other people,
because the, like you, if, when, when I listened
to you talk to somebody who's having a problem,
there's a, a lot like an exorbitant amount of
patients. Um, and where my brain is already like,
Oh, I know the problem. Like stop talking. Um,
Nick Burns. Move. Very typical. Nick Burns. Move.
Yeah. I see you handling it very differently,
which is why it's really funny to watch Nick
Burns with you. But it's also why I actually
think Roy and Moss are, like, so much funnier
than Nick Burns. Yeah. Because they're, like,
real people. Yeah. Where they're, like, what?
They both know how to do this, and they're...
just kind of flabbergasted by the problem yeah
um which is i feel like more often what that
turns into is yeah wait what if your computer
was a person i would shoot it i would shoot it
i haven't seen that one since the 90s yeah yeah
no that's no that's legit no i just got it the
way i like it yeah i bet you did um anyway uh
This is a long transition, but I'm transitioning
into... I had a weird situation, and I understand
I'm not the best AV guy. I am definitely an IT
guy in training. Journeyman IT and AV, I have
a lot of... Things that I didn't pick up quickly.
And there are definitely times that I feel like
I'm compensating for maybe my ears or just my
ADD, like inability to remember why I'm in the
room. There's plenty to go alongside that. But
there are things that I was like, I don't...
There are times that somebody comes in and I
think this happens with musicians easily, especially
electric guitarists. It happens with car guys
a lot. It happens with tech guys. We've seen
some heated discussions about what's better or
worse. And we've seen, I mean, it's not abnormal,
especially I would say amongst men. I don't know
if this is a thing for women. Are you generalizing?
I am. Stereotyping the crap out of this. I almost
said it. Good save. Good save. Stereotyping all
of it. But it seems like this is a thing with
men where you just like you got to. I'm going
to flex a little bit. And, and I think this is
also what the like mansplaining thing, this,
this got a mansplaining got described to me as
like, men really do want to be helpful and they
want to explain their view of the world to other
people in order to make connections. Yeah. And
so that's one of the ways that that happens.
Now it turns real. ugly and competitive pejorative
oh good turn thank you and competitive um like
really quickly and so there's there's plenty
of times when it's like okay like i'm gonna need
you to sit down or just listen for a little while
longer like yeah um but anyway some of this happened
to me recently okay in a project that was being
that i had no control over yeah but was being
um, explained in front of me. And I was, I was
trying to say as the guy who was going to be
working on the network side of this, that I would
actually prefer if we use this equipment instead
of whatever they like had planned to use. And
I was like, I'll take care of it. I don't need
you to buy it. I don't need you to do anything
about it. I don't need you to service it. I just,
I want to use what I want to use. Yeah. And the
guy was like, no, you don't. And I was like,
why, Don't I? And he was like, well, the gear
that we install is made specifically for this
particular thing. Okay. If somebody talks about
Pro AV network gear. Nice segue. If somebody,
I mean, it was a long. That was a lot of talking
around the subject to finally get to the subject.
I sure did. So be happy. If somebody brings up
pro AV network gear, what is your initial response
to that? I would probably say, tell me what makes
it AV. I mean... Guys, I'm not lying to you.
Network is network is network. Now, can there
be some things that are a little more specific
to AV that a general network would need? Yes.
Sure. But it's not very much. Okay. So I don't
know the term. It has to do with the clock. What
is the master clock? between two particular pieces
of equipment. It's just the time clock. Yes,
but it's something that is more specific to the
AV gear. The rest of the network doesn't care.
So I guess we have... Yeah, you set a device
as the master. As the master. Right. But if Jason
was here, he'd be able to throw out the proper
terms. But you have to go in... Jason, I just
think it's time clock. ...and make the adjustments
to say, this is the master. And there's some
little tweaking that you do behind the scenes.
But it's still just packets on a network. Yeah.
You can get into priorities and QoS and all that.
But again, it's still packets on a network. And
the guy who talked to me talked about QoS settings.
And I almost lost it just in that moment by itself.
I was really composed. I feel like I kept my...
Face mostly in check. Another good save, it sounds
like. Yep. You've got to stop calling me out.
That should be the title of the show, Good Save.
Good Save. Kick save and a beaut. And a beaut.
Listen, Hoser. So it was in that moment, and
he said QOS, and I almost blurted out, it's the
only thing on the network. And so like, I get
it. Like what I was trying to do was set up this
totally separate network in order to protect
the traffic on this network from any possible
problem. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Isolated on a VLAN.
You isolate that bad boy. And I wasn't just going
to isolate it on a VLAN. I was going to put its
own like. Oh, dedicated gear. Dedicated gear
in for it. Um, but it's gear that we know it's
gear that we work with on it's ubiquity. Like,
so I was going to put it on unify gear, um, and
it was going to be separated and it was going
to do all of this. And I was going to be able
to see the like traffic of it and to make sure
that everything was set up. Right. And that's
what I'm comfortable with doing that with. And
I, I mean, I was like, you're going to give me
a piece of gear and you're not going to give
me a way to like check on it. You know, like
if something happens, you're not going to give
me a way to like, uh, adjust something. Sure.
Um, and like, I don't even know if these switches
that are in our system now, like what layer are
these? Like there's nothing about them that I
actually have. So you, so you're saying that
you now have switches in the network that are
plugged into ubiquity, but I'm a, Are we saying
that they are at least plugged in on a unique
VLAN? Mm -hmm. Okay. So yeah, the visibility
within the switch, depending on what it is, is
truly lost. Exactly. If it's not a truly managed
switch. Right. At best, you're looking at...
I can't even reserve IPs for these things. I'm
really annoyed by how... condescending all of
this was. What's stopping you from the IP assignment?
I have no idea which one is which. Oh. So you're
just seeing just a bunch of MAC addresses pulling
IPs and you don't know what is what. Yeah. And
there's no way to find the MAC address. No, I
could go in. I could go find the MAC address.
But this is so easy on Ubiquiti. I'm like, don't
make me do that. So anyway, there's a lot of
this that's new. And then I was like, I want
to have this safety net of something that I understand.
And I got hit with, it's not Pro AV gear. And
I was like, I beg to differ. So all of that to
say, Ubiquiti has now come out with... Pro AV
switches. Pro AV switches. Yeah. And turns out...
You can turn your pro switch that you already
have into a pro AV switch with a firmware. And
I'm like, all of this is proving to me that this
is about marketing because they sure did. Our
ubiquity switches that are all nice and silver
are not like these pro AVs are black. I'm like,
all of this is marketing. Yeah. Well, I mean,
I guess in, in fairness, if I walk into the room
and I know my ubiquity gear and I see silver
switches with black switches, I know this is
network. This is AV specific. I'm not, I'm not
at all like trying to hit, uh, unify for getting
on board with this trend, but I am a little bit
frustrated with this. Like it's necessary thing.
Like just. Okay, what if instead you knew how
to run your gear? What if instead you knew how
to set up your network? Yeah, had I been in your
situation, I would have been leaning in hard
on you need to tell me what these switches are
going to do that these switches can't. I'm telling
you, his answer to that was things like QoS.
and out of the box and like all of these catchphrases
that i know he got from a marketing guy and i
was like you don't know what you're talking about
correct so then what i would have then said okay
explain it to me minus the marketing gobbledygook
get into the details with me let's get in the
weeds i guarantee and let's talk this out because
this guy was not the like he's not a What he
is not is a Linksys sales manager. Okay. He's
a... Don't say it. He's an installer of the gear
that he likes to install. Okay, fair. But this
company had already cut... Ethercon ends off
of cable that I almost lost my mind. To ultimately
re -terminate it with cat? Yeah. Okay, well.
I was like, what are you doing? I have cables
in the ground. Yeah. It hasn't spent, it got
off the, like I took it out of the box. Yeah.
I pulled it. It's worked for. A long time. 10
years now. Yeah. Why did you, why did you, why
did, why did you do that? Interesting. So I feel
like that I may be speaking out of line in terms
of trying to come at this as an AV. Just from
recent experience that we have dealt with. If
I was going to be changing cabling uniquely for
AV, I'm going to be replacing non -shielded with
shielded. That's the only reason I would make
a change. Yeah. That's it. If it's Cat 6, if
it's Cat 6A, I'm fine. And depending upon what
it is, I can probably even make do with 5E as
long as it's not video. If it's video, yeah,
give me some Cat6, preferably some Cat6A. Let
me give you some tech here. So the EtherCon cables,
I mean, you know what I'm talking about when
I say EtherCon, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The ones that I bought, at least, were 5E. because
6 wasn't really a thing whenever I did this.
Yeah, 10 years ago. They're Neutrik Ethercon
cables pulled through whatever. And if you know
what an Ethercon cable is, you know this thing
looks like an XLR. It does. Until you look for
the pins. It's got a big old, yeah. until you
look for the pins this thing is a is an xlr and
so they're all shielded there is no ethercon
cable that's not shielded and it was just one
of those moments that i was like the other guys
that i know that use ethercon cables are all
av guys like that's what the you know like why
are you don't it doesn't it doesn't plug into
a switch no It plugs into gear for audio. Yes.
Actually, I don't know video that I know of.
Not that I know of, no. Yeah, so audio gear.
Yeah. And this is one of those like, oh, you've
just got an Ethernet, like an RJ45 plugged into
that. Yeah. Like, ooh, that's not very. It'd
be really nice if that was an Ethercon. And they
cut that off. Anyway, so, like, there was already
some, like, incredulity. Ooh, not a good term.
You're on a roll, man. I am SAT in the stuff
out of this. There was just already, like, this.
I don't really understand. I don't feel like
we're seeing eye to eye here. I'm glad I'm here
in this moment to see that all of this has happened,
but I'm a little bit frustrated that I wasn't
here, I don't know, an hour ago to make sure
you did not do what you just did. And now we're
talking about network switches, and I'm like,
I admit, I'm a little out of my depth. I'm not
like... I am not Chris Kincaid. Wow. And if he
was here, I feel like I would be... He would
backslap you. Like, what? What are you talking
about? So I heard you say specifically Linksys
earlier. Did he install a Linksys switch? Two
of them. So maybe this is a question directed
to Jason when he hears this episode. It's not
the first time that I've heard of an AV... or
even an integrator, whatever the proper term
is. Integrator, there you go. That they have
used Linksys or they've used D -Link or another
product that technically you could go buy at
Best Buy. Yeah. And I'm like, so in certain scenarios,
I understand a manufacturer has said, we have
tested it against this specific. Wait a minute,
is it Linksys? It is ProAV, like it says ProV.
Pro AV on it. There could be something that Linksys
has, but all that to say, in talking with Jason,
there have been vendors of a specific piece of
hardware that have said, we have tested it against
these models. Sorry, it's Netgear. Oh, well,
that's in the same boat. Yeah. Nothing against
Netgear. You can understand why I was like, Linksys.
It was like Netgear, Linksys. I'm like, whoa,
timeout, timeout. Yeah, you'd have a hard time
convincing me that it is truly AV -specific.
But it says AV on it, man. Well... It says AV.
Apple has an Apple logo on it, but that doesn't
mean it's great. ha ha ha bazinga no for sure
you got me before the show and i got you in the
show mine is now recorded for posterity for posterity
there you go um yeah no like that but i'm i'm
saying that ironically the the amount of times
that it's like oh guys did you just buy the thing
because it has the the badge on it like don't
yeah don't buy the thing because it's got the
badge on it Yeah. Like you need to know what
the thing is before it's just like the, the,
the marketing team got you. Yeah. You got marketed.
That's for sure. Like that's what, that's what
happened right now. And so I'm not saying that
they don't, I'm not saying that they did not
go through and preset things to make sure that
the kind of traffic that is used by Dante and,
and, uh, Crestron and all of these other like
leading AV like companies that that's not somehow
prioritized and that it's also not like, um,
like that they, they probably have, um, Oh my
gosh. What am I trying to, um, they've, they've
probably got the timing of like their, their,
uh, uh, lease renewals, like set to a certain
thing. Like I, I'm sure like it's all the way
down to like some really tricky, like, Oh, well
you need to make sure that you've done this in
order to make this run the best. But the idea
that you have to have it because it has AV on
the side of it is absolute trash. Yes. So I,
where I see this and, again, apologize to all
the AV guys out there, not trying to throw you
under the bus, not so much AV guys maybe as it
is the integrators, is instead of actually doing
the work on a real switch, you would rather buy
something that another vendor tested and said,
hey, You buy this model. It has exactly what
we want our settings to be. So you literally
plug it in and you don't have to do any work.
That's where I think a lot of this goes to. And
all that tells me, Chris, is that they're not
going to understand when a problem happens what
the problem is. Correct. And so there's that
like, I mean, I get it. If you don't know what
you're doing, there's a chance that you could
have messed something up. You plug in one of
these AV switches and you're going to be like,
oh, it works. Well, that's the magic sauce. I
was like, well, yeah. Or you go read a Reddit
stream. Like, you know, watch a YouTube video.
Like, I don't know. Like try to figure out what
the heck is actual. I don't know. The whole thing
just rubbed me so wrong. Yeah. And I'm like,
I just, I want vindication. It is selfish. I
know what's happening. I want vindication. Sure.
I want to be told by the guy that I trust. Well,
it's the fact that you know. That we could have
done this just fine. Yeah, that had the installer,
integrator, whatever proper term is, knew a thing
or two about networking. Or if he had a resource
in his company. who knows about networking, they
could have said, hey, these are the specific
settings that we need. Because a good example
of this is when Jason was setting up the Mahalo
for the Forge, and we were looking at network
equipment, he was like, it needs to be able to
do these specific things. And we realized that
not all switches could do all those things, depending
on the level of switch that you purchase. We
were looking at that time Meraki. And we're like,
okay, this is the switch that we want. We looked
at the specs on that switch and it checked all
the boxes for what he needed. So when the switch
came in, we were able to configure those specific
requirements so that it worked properly. And
that's all you need to know. But the guy who's
on the other side just going, oh, it does QoS
right. I'm like, nothing else is on the network.
What are you talking about? Correct. Yeah, if
it's the only thing there. When they say certain
things to you in order to win the conversation
or the argument and you're like, you're making
me rethink everything that I know right now because
I don't think that that matters if you're on
a separated network. Correct. I mean, at that
point, you're literally going, how do I tell
you that you are? On the nice and ignorant, or
ignant, as I've heard some people say, probably
closer, and this is harsh, to stupid without
telling you that you're ignorant or you're stupid.
Yeah. Because you don't understand. Well, we're
standing in a church, Chris. I can't say something
like that. But we're not standing in a church.
We're in a home. This is a house. This is a house.
It's on the property of the church. You don't
need to say that. Well, I said it. It's out there
for everyone to know. So, yeah, it's how do you
explain to this person in as polite a terms as
you can is you don't know networking. Yeah. You
need the network to do the networking for you.
Yeah. And I get that this person's, their bread
and butter is AV. They're not a network expert.
Right. But they should have somebody in the organization.
Right. That is that. subject matter expert to
say what we need to know up ahead of time, what
vendor are you using? What switch models are
you using? And we can tell you if those are compatible
with the features that this equipment needs.
And we could say, yes, yours has it. These are
the things that need to be configured. Or we
hate to tell you, but your switch doesn't support
jumbo packets. You need switches that support
jumbo packets. So unless you're willing to replace
your switches with switches that can do jumbo
packets, then you need to take what we are recommending
you put in the network. So, yeah. So, yeah, that's
a tough conversation to have. Because, I mean,
it turns into a, put it politely, it can turn
into a peeing contest. There you go. And it can
become very frustrating very fast. Well, I can
hit the toilet from six feet away. I can hit
it from 10. Yeah, perfect timing. Wait until
you had your mouth full. So anyway, that's kind
of what that was. That made me more than a little.
I guess just confused. I mean, that's my default
in that. And it makes me frustrated. I was fighting
back some anger inside of me because nobody likes
to feel like an idiot. Yeah. And that was definitely
the level that I was at where I was like, I don't
usually feel like an idiot in this area. And
either I'm really missing something or... You're
not telling me. I don't want to say you're not
telling me the truth. You don't know what I know
about this, which is. You're regurgitating the
talking points. I can make this work. Yeah. I'm
just asking you to just let me make this work.
Yeah. It's going to be better for me. Okay. I'm
going to play devil's advocate. Yeah. So this
gear is installed and everything is functional.
Yep. So what is to stop you? Nothing from bypassing
the gear and bringing it onto your gear and showing
that everything still works. I'm actually like,
uh, my boss was talking to me about doing that.
Okay. Okay. Yeah. All right. We'll probably,
now that we've let them do their thing and then
maybe we can sell these. Yeah. I tried to recoup
some money out of it. Yeah, absolutely. Yikes.
Or, um, um, pull a, um, goodwill hunting. Get
it all switched over, show it works, and go,
how do you like them apples? That's like, what
exactly are we talking about? Where are we going
with that? Yes. Yeah, that's tough that when
you're trying to have a conversation with somebody
and you know that they don't know other than
the buzz terms and the marketing gobbledygook.
And there's no polite way, I guess, in that scenario
to go, you're out of your element. You don't
know what you're talking about. Right. So, yeah,
that's tough. Or at least the way that you're
saying this to me makes me think that you're
out of your element. Yes. Because that didn't
make any sense. Okay. Why don't we jump to the...
Yeah, there is no smooth transition to the next.
Nope. We're going to do... At some point, I think
maybe next show, maybe the next show, we'll talk
about the Unify NAS that just came out. Well,
it would help if... Maybe this is our transition.
It would help if Albie would stop being jerks.
Yeah. Because we could use boosts to make the
transition. Okay, we're going to transition the
boost, and now we're in the second half of the
show. Sadly. Yes. So I don't know if I told you
or not, as I'm trying to help you with the segue,
there are no boosts because Albie are being jerks.
They closed the channel to my server at home.
And in order to reopen the channel, they want
me to pay them 20 bucks. Why? Because you have
to have liquidity to open a channel. Why? Because
they closed it. Why do I have to prove liquidity?
That's the nature of the lightning network. You
have to put some liquidity in to open up the
channel. Ultimately, I said... That sounds like
a ploy. That sounds like something my wife would
tell me in order to go buy something. Speaking
of, apparently our wives were at the same hair
place the other day. I believe that. They need
to run into each other more often. Yes. All that
to say, they wanted $20 and I told them, no,
thank you. I talked to RSS .com. They only do
that with... Albi. So if we, I was like, I have
my own lightning wallet. I'm running it at home.
Can I put that in our RSS feed? No, we only do
that with Albi. So what we need to consider,
if we're that serious about opening up boosts
and getting it past, yes, and getting it beyond
the Jason Court segment, we are going to have
to look at another hosting company. Okay. Which
is a bummer. RSS has done great for us. Guys,
you're witnessing this staff meeting. Yeah, you
are. As it happens. This is our version of a
board meeting. Love it. So I'll have to look
at other. I kind of love that this is our version
of a board meeting. There you go. I'm eating
Cheez -Its. You're eating Cheez -Its and we're
drinking beer. That's my kind of a board meeting.
That's right. Oh, speaking of real quick, one
more. Tangent, and I promise we'll get back on
task. Last week was Jacob's first week on the
job. Okay. He's working for Topgolf. Yes. Take
a guess at what they have in the corporate break
room. Is it the Tiger Woods Golden Tee game?
No. What? They have beer on tap. Oh, no. But
before, I had to make it sound grandiose, and
now I'm going to, like, crush you. Oh, no. It's
Michelob Ultra. Oh. Well, that's just mean. Well,
I figured that's their way of saying we want
to have something on tap, but we don't want to
encourage people to sit here all day. You're
not actually going to drink this. I was joking
earlier today that, okay, give me the Michelob
Ultra, but I'm going to put my black food color
in it to make it look. better like nope nobody's
gonna see me drinking a clear liquid no no no
no so okay so all that to say that's hilarious
i'll have to figure out another hosting company
i'll let you know when i settle on okay and we'll
go we'll go from there and eventually we will
bring boosts back and use boosts as a way to
transition to second half of show which we've
got a um Yes. So in fairness, last week we attacked
Apple or I attacked Apple. Uh -huh. So I'll be
honest. So in fairness, this week we have a Microsoft
wall. So fair and balanced, right? Because it
happens both ways. Oh, boy, does it? So all this,
yeah, so. Linux, you're safe for now. Oh, no,
they're not safe either. They have their own
fair share of exploits. I said safe for now.
Well, I'll catch them next week. How about that?
There you go. So this is specific to Windows
11 and Windows Server 2022. And the reason why
it's 2022 is because it's built off of Windows
11. Yeah, this one kind of blows my mind. Yeah,
it's insane. So I'm going to do a little bit
of reading from this article. So I apologize
up front. But this is specifically referring
to an exploit in 24H2, which is a fair. fairly
recent release of Windows. So this gets into
vulnerability basically at the, sadly, at the
kernel level. So this affects both Windows 11
24H2 and Windows Server 2022 24H2. It is a low,
giving low privilege attackers. including sandbox
apps, a foothold to escalate attacks, which is
concerning for those who want to dig deeper.
I mean, I know I don't like getting attacked
in my sandbox. I don't either. I just want to
have fun in the sandbox. Seriously, guys, leave
me alone with doom. That's bullying. That's hate
speech. That's hate speech. Yes. So for those
who want to dig deeper, it is CVE. Dash two zero
two five dash five three one three six. You can
go out and read on this for yourself. And if
you know what that means, you are a nerd. Yeah,
but in a good way. I mean, the best way possible
and the best way possible. We need to get you
a badge. This affects and there's no way to say
this easily. RTL SID hash initialize. from Microsoft's
2024 exploit. It now passes kernel token dot
user in groups pointer as its first parameter.
So all this to say... And a user buffer is third.
Yeah, there's a user buffer. You're correct.
You're correct. So the function mistakenly writes
the sensitive kernel pointer into the user buffer.
Thank you, John. Very important. Yes, before
replacing it with a benign value. Although the
pointer is removed quickly, this leaves a small
but explodable window in which an attacker can
capture it from user space. I just want to, like...
The cracker's got him, folks. That window is
tiny. It is. Like, the fact that they... Yeah.
Later on in this article. Yes, yes. It talks
about how it's... He's giving away the good stuff,
folks. Anyway, go ahead. I don't want to give
away the good stuff. It's just like this is really
scary. It is. Honestly, it is. It is. So basically
to exploit this, all an attacker has to do is
create two concurrent threads. One repeatedly
calls the NT query information token system,
which calls... system call with the token access
information class which triggers the vulnerability
yeah so it opens that window over and over and
over it does yes to expose it i mean the tiny
window we're talking about a pinhole but like
yes yes yes yes but it's driving a mac truck
through a pinhole the other thread continuously
reads from the user buffer at the exact offset
where the kernel pointer is stored By racing
the read operation against the brief moment.
Again, we're talking fractions upon fractions
of a second here, folks. Unbelievable. the brief
moment when the pointer is exposed the hacker
can reliably obtain the leaked address of the
tokens user and groups field that's the like
that phrase that's the one that made me pee a
little bit when it said reliably rely and i was
like oh no and when you realize how small of
a fraction of time that they're that they're
targeting and they can do it reliably it's like
Not only am I going to drive this Mack truck
through that pinhole, I'm going to do it on a
regular basis. Yes, I am. Watch me hold my beer.
I feel confident it's going to happen this time.
What? Yes. So despite being a, no, this sounds
really bad. Despite being a race condition. Not
that kind of race. Not that kind of race. The
exploit is highly dependable. Think speed. Yes,
because the time window is wide enough to win
consistently. Now, when they say wide enough,
they make it sound like it's this huge gap of
time. No. But again, we're talking about fractions
of a second here, folks. So just crazy that they
would call it dependable. Yeah. Just insane.
And in the proof of concept demonstration show,
the kernel address can be captured almost every
run. Even from low privilege environments, such
as low integrity level or app container sandboxes.
So the fact that you're running a application
out of a sandbox on top of the OS. In a low,
like not, you're like super administrative. Oh
yeah. This isn't like high, high privileged and
it can do this and it can do it on a consistent
basis. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So once the attacker
learns the leaked address, it becomes a powerful
primitive. Yeah. No, that's what that said. It
really says primitive. Primitive, okay. Which
I was like, I mean, that is some speak right
there. Yeah, it is. So when combined with a write
what where bug, how's that for a mouthful, the
attacker can overwrite the privileges field.
of the token structure and escalate to full local
admin rights. So I'm going from a low privilege
application in a sandbox to full local rights.
I now own you. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So Windows?
And it kills me. Did I read that or did I skip
that? Where is that at? Where's that at? They
specifically talk about Microsoft trying to harden
the system. And in hardening the system against
exploits, they created a massive exploit. And
it's like, I get it. There's a lot that goes
into an operating system, especially when you've
got a cumbersome, robust GUI on top. Of the underpinnings.
I get it. There's a lot of opportunity there.
By hardening it, they made it predictable. And
that's terrible. It's insane. It's absolutely
insane. Now, this article is just, to be fair,
this article is from September 12th of this year.
So it's still fairly recent. That's 10 days ago.
10 days ago. So at the point of this writing,
Microsoft has not released an official patch.
But organizations should prepare to deploy it
as soon as possible. In the meantime, security
teams can do the following. Restrict untrusted
or unknown apps. If you're not doing that by
default, you're fired. Unplug. Yes. AirGap. Oh,
that's what it was. I sent you the... Yeah. All
the floppy disks. Yes. Which always... confused
me because you know the floppy disks were floppy
disks and then they came out with these new disks
that were not floppy but yet but they called
them floppy disks yes three and a half inch drives
folks three and a half inch drives in a locked
plastic box i sent him a picture like that um
and chris's only response was air gap air gap
yep that's what makes it safe so you can enforce
least privilege now i would like to think that
Everybody is enforcing least privilege, but I
also understand that there are environments where
that is difficult to do. Maybe it's an avian
environment. Hey, oh, sorry. At least you're
not bitter. That was mean. That was mean spirited.
At least you're not bitter. So generally you
should be in doing least privilege. If you're
in terms of security, you should be there. I
understand that there are environments where
people push back on least privilege. I live in
one of those. I'm sure you live in one of those
too. They don't know what they're asking for.
So when you try to explain the concept of least
privilege, they're like, so tell me why I can't
install what I want? Because you're not supposed
to install what you want. It's not your computer.
You're only supposed to have the least privilege
that you need to actually achieve your job. You
do not need local administrative rights. Yeah.
So, okay. I'll get off that soapbox. I can stay
there for hours. Strength and detection and response.
That's going to be EDR. If you're not running
one, you probably should be running at least
an EDR and get off a traditional AV. And then
last is the high impedance, high impedance air
gap, as we called it. Because it is the isolate
and test critical systems, which means to literally
unplug it from the network. So that's what we
refer to when we say high impedance air gap.
Just, you know, think oxygen between connectors.
Yes, oxygen between connectors. There you go.
Oxygen, nitrogen. Let it breathe. CO2. Look at
you. Yeah. I'm sure there's one other component
of air, but all right. So, yeah, all that to
say. Sometimes when you think you're making something
more secure, you make it less secure. I put a
new password in all my apps. It's just the old
password with one. Oh. So you replaced it with
one that has two? Mm -hmm. And then eventually
replaced it with three? Mm -hmm. Okay. I'm just
saying what has been said to me before. Oh, no,
no, no, no, yeah, yeah. So all this to say, if
you're running Windows, which I admit I'm a Windows
fanboy, be watching for your updates and get
them installed. So nobody wants to be a part
of a compromising situation on your network.
Whatever you're doing, just be watching for your
updates. Yes. Regardless of your operating system
of choice, run your updates, please. Or your
phone or your tablet. Yes. Or your whatever.
Just go ahead and your printer. Holy crap. Don't
get me started on printer exploits. Oh, boy.
Yep. Oh, that's a whole other show for another
day. Yeah, there you go. Yikes. I am not looking
forward to a show where we talk about printers.
Anyway, who likes printers here? Nobody's raising
their hand. I like printers. But I don't like
the fact that when you're working, and I'm not
going to throw any companies under the bus, but
when your default login is admin, no password,
hello. Who's going to guess that? Who? Everybody.
Okay. Anybody who knows anything. Okay, fine.
I do guess it on a regular basis. Yeah, you do.
Maybe there's no password. Enter. Oh my gosh,
I'm in. I can tell you that it is not specific
to any one vendor necessarily. It is your company
who installs your equipment. So there should
be passwords. And I'm perfectly fine with this
company saying, we're sorry. We don't give up
that password. Okay. Seems like some isolation
and what do you call it? Least privilege. Least
privilege. Yes. It's like, okay, so give me the
password. login credentials that I need that
lets me do X, Y, and Z. And I'm fine with that.
I don't need to log in as admin. No. But because
it's admin, no password, it gets exploited like
crazy. No idea what you're talking about. Well,
that was a fun show. It was. It was a good beer.
It is. I'm not done drinking it. Good job, Chris.
Well, for those, for context, I'm on. Poor number
two. You are, but you normally are. Yeah, that's
true. I'm ahead of you typically on the show.
That was more than a... But I don't have to go
play softball. Yeah, man. I got to try to run
around these bases, which is getting harder and
harder to do. Just saying. If this could numb
some of the painful... You need some CBD. Ouchies.
Yeah, I probably do. Solve. Yeah. And that all
comes down to whether or not your insurance provider
allows that or not. I learned that. Yeah, insurance,
man. Yeah. Anyway, we're not going to talk about
that on a show. No, we're not. No, we're not
going to talk about that rabbit hole. Really
good to hang out with you, man. Enjoyed it, man.
It was good. Very grateful. Yep. All right, guys.
I'll see you later. See you, everybody. Dadgummit,
another doozy of a podcast.