The only reason I'm recording is as a backup.
Yep. Hey, Chris. How you doing? Good, John. How
are you? I'm doing good. We have a very special
podcast today. Yeah. Very special. But before
we get into why it's so special, what are you
drinking? Oh, I've actually got two new ones.
Two new ones? One of them I might regret. It
says that it is a Belgian -style triple. It is
the Victory. But it's called Golden Monkey. So
there's a chance that this may not be very dark.
Is it called Golden Monkey or is it called Brass
Monkey? No, it's called Golden Monkey. Okay,
well, they missed an opportunity there. Yes,
they did. But they probably would have had to
give some sort of royalty to the Beastie Boys.
Yes, but I do have a blurb. Okay, give me the
blurb. So, mystical flavors to enlighten you.
Let mystical fruit... and spice -filled flavors
of golden monkey enlighten your senses. Oh, here
we go. Banana and clove character from Belgian
yeast meet notes of orange and a light earthy
hop character to craft a Belgian -style triple
that'll do you good. You're not going to like
that. Probably not, but that's what the show
is for. You experiment. Yeah, I'm not experimenting.
Over here, actually, I got a gift from a very
good friend of mine whose name starts with a
C and ends with an Olsen. And he gave me a six
-pack of Old Chub. Nice. So I'm going to go through
as many of those as I can. I bet you are. He
actually called me about that today. Did he?
Yeah, he said, if I was going to get John some
beer, what should I get? I said, well, if you're
going to Fresh, get the Old Chub. However...
If you're going to go to World Market, you get
the Chimay Red. Yeah, that's right. Yes. I bet
he went to a World Market and was like, is that
champagne? I told him it's a 750 milliliter bottle.
Okay. He doesn't know milliliters. He's a musician.
Well, yeah. So the other one, and the more that
I look at it, I may have had it before, but just
in a smaller bottle. And I'm going to butcher
this German name. Yeah. Wine Stefaner. Oh, yeah.
Wine Stefaner. But it's a Hefeweiße beer, Dunkel.
I've had a Dunkel from them before, but it didn't
quite look like this. Yeah. I'm going to go ahead
and tell you. It may be lighter than you want,
but it is delicious. Well, I had a Dunkel from
them before, and it was really good. Yeah. It's
a Hefeweiße, so it's a wheat beer, but that Dunkel
is. Awesome. And I really like anything from
Vaya Estefaner. Yeah. It's one of those like
really old breweries. They're like claiming to
be one of the oldest or something like that.
Yeah. Since 1040. Yeah. So I don't know anything
about the veracity of that, but it is so good.
But there's unfortunately there's no blurb other
than the standard government warning of what
happens if you consume too much alcohol. Enjoy
yourself. Yes. But this one is a full pint. Yes.
So, but I think I'm going to. Which is funny
because a full pint and like pint size doesn't
sound like a big deal, but. No, but it always
makes me think of Lord of the Rings. What is
that? It's a pint. It's a pint. They come in
pints. They come in pints. Yes. So, all right,
let's open them up. Thank you. Let's see. Oh,
that is delicious. Oh, I don't think I'm going
to like this. Wait, which one did you start with?
Golden monkey. Oh, yeah. No, you're not going
to like that. I can guarantee it. I'm trying
to figure out what I'm smelling off of this.
Orange peel? Other than this doesn't seem like
it's going to taste good. Banana? There's something
fruity there. Beer banana. Which is what they
said it would. Spiced fruit. All right, here
we go. Is it a fruit cake? It might taste like
one. Are there Skittles in it? But it is 9 .5%.
You're not going to enjoy it, but you're really
going to enjoy it. All right, here we go. Bottoms
up. That's not that bad. Cheers. Hey, look at
you. I probably won't rush out and buy it again,
but it's not bad. Nice. Okay. And it's definitely
lighter than I prefer, but that's okay. Did you
just pour it on your computer? No, no, no, I
did not. I was looking at the contents. It's
just a little beer. Through the bottle with the
light of this really tiny monitor that I have
now. It's not me. I'm sitting here on a 41 inch
screen. Your face is huge. Sure. It's like you're
really here. And if you didn't have that, I would
have said that my screen is big, but I've only
got a 34. So this is where we throw in the obligatory
Shrek. Do you think he's making up for something?
Donkey. Hey, all right. Well, I will. Do as usual,
and I will get through the beer, but I don't
know that I will rush into another one. No, that
makes sense. I'm glad I did the pick six and
didn't get a whole six -pack. Yeah, that would
have been bad. Wait, so the Brass Monkey is from
the pick six, but the Viacifoner isn't? No, it
was a standalone. Okay. Because I was like, if
they let you put... No. Pints in the pick six.
I'm going back. Yes. Yeah. No, I got this. And
then I grabbed two of the Rochefort number 10.
Oh, okay. I love that one. Rochefort. Not. It's
a Trappist. Rasmussen. No, not Rasputin. Rasputin.
Oh. Oh. yikes bad memories bad memories yeah
that's really rough old chub man just always
a classic um if you like scotch ale you should
you should pick it up it's made by a brewery
called oscar blues in longmont colorado i think
it's longmont it's it's close to longmont if
it isn't actually in longmont um and it's fantastic
and i think they've gone back to the green uh
cans as opposed to the like They had, they had
plaid cans there for a little bit that weren't
like Scottish plaid. They were like really weird
looking plaid. It was not, not something that
you buy based on the look of it. It's true. So
there's, I know you can see that the folks can't,
but that's on the golden monkey label. I mean,
it'll be on the show notes. That's true. You're
going to be able to see the chapters whenever
you, download your 2 .0 app. Yes. And that's
a, that's a fun transition that you're pulling
off there, John. I just, I did it off the top
of my head. Off the cuff. We're going to be talking
podcast. Yes, we are. Today. And we're talking,
it's, we're podcasting about podcasting. 2 .0.
And we're going to, we're going to talk mostly
about 2 .0. We did, I did want to mention though,
that we are trying out a new, to our roadcasters.
Yes, we are. Since both of us have roadcasters,
we're actually not in the same room together.
We're looking at each other over the interwebs.
But we're recording and we're talking to each
other over our roadcasters and the new functionality
that they call Call Me. Yay! This is going to
get dangerous. It's going to be great. So the
Call Me, functionality uh i was like i don't
know if this is actually like something i'm at
all even really interested in and then i remembered
that my good friend chris kincaid has a roadcaster
because i was like i don't i don't know that
i would ever use that for anything um but if
you have like if both ends of your call have
roadcasters i mean you sound fantastic you could
be in the room with me So I'm not getting any
loss. It doesn't sound like you're on a telephone
call. Nope. But it just connects to the other
person's Rodecaster like a call. We're recording
on both ends just to make sure if something happens
that we have a fail safe. Yep. You said you were
using your computer. Are you on the app on your
computer or are you, what are you doing? Yeah,
I have the app open. But I've also got the actual
Rodecaster right here. I called the Rodecaster,
right? Correct. And I saw it pop up to accept
the call on the Rodecaster, and I saw it also
pop up in the software. Nice. So all we did was
you have to do the update, and then you enable
the call main functionality in your new UI. It
gives you a little QR code that you can scan.
And if you haven't already done the licensing,
not licensing, when you're registering your RODECaster,
then you can walk through that. But then it just
basically gives you a little code. And as long
as you don't turn off the capability of... hosting,
then the code stays the same. Yeah. That's what
I understand. Yep. That's correct. But you put
that in or you don't put that in. You get your
friend's code and you just type that in and you
can, you can then save that in an address book.
That's pretty cool. Yep. You can actually on
your end, you can, you can say what your caller
ID should read. Yep. Just great. Cause you know,
you may need to tell people who's calling whenever
you do this. If you're, a studio or somebody
that they're actually expecting a call from.
And then you just hit the call me button or start
call or whatever it is. And it was like, I was
anticipating some beta behavior and there's,
this has not been beta. This, this, this feels
very easy and they looks like they seems like
they ran the traps pretty. Pretty well. We'll
see if we have any kind of drop or anything like
that. True. We're both hardwired in. We are.
You're not trying to do this over Wi -Fi. No.
Again, just not trying to introduce any kind
of problem here. Yeah. But hard -lined in. Got
a good and steady Wi -Fi connection. Or not Wi
-Fi. Steady internet connection. Don't let Optimum
hear that. Yeah, I shouldn't have said that out
loud. But it's going really well. It is. And
you assign the other person to one of your inputs.
Yep. I've got you on a fader, so I don't have
to do that virtually. Correct. Yeah, I have the
same. And what's nice is if the person that you
want to talk to doesn't have a RODECaster, you
can send them a web link and they can actually
come in via a web browser. Yeah. There is, if
you are hoping to do this free, the web browser
does have a limit on the number of minutes. Five
hours a month. I mean, that's not, you're not
hitting that. No. That's much larger than I thought.
And then there is a limit on the free for even
Roadcaster to Roadcaster, but it was like, I'm
not ever going to make it. Ten hours a month.
10 hours. So 10 hours and five hours seems like
you could do this pretty flawlessly. Yep. Um,
and I'm, I'm just saying we've had a few problems
when we've tried to set up roadcaster, uh, stuff
whenever we've, um, or yeah, when we've used
connect and we've just tried to go, um, you know,
over the internet using Roadcaster with them
mix minus coming out of Riverside. And yes, I
think we did a Google meet one time where we
were having some sort of issue. Yeah. And we
did. Oh, when we started, it was, was it clear
stream? I think it was the one that we started
with and then we even had trouble there. Yeah.
That one didn't work at all. And that may have
been us. I'm not, I'm definitely not dogging
on anybody's solution at this point. We've been
as messy in this as I think we possibly can be.
Yes. But I will say this felt very easy. So I
fully recommend this. I was excited to try it.
And the fact that it went so smoothly makes me
feel great. Oh. I just read some fine print.
What was it? Calls on the road call me light
and road call me plans are only one hour long
unless extended by the host by another hour.
Wow. At the one hour mark, there will be a warning.
Then unless extended by the host, the call will
be terminated. Wow. Very zoom of them. We've
got a clock now that we didn't realize that we
had. Yep. You're hosting because I called you,
right? Yes, I will try to keep an eye out for
that notification. Because I was actually trying
to find the company that they partnered with
for this, but I'm not seeing it. But for those
who are interested, they have the two paid tiers,
and I'm shocked that they don't have the pricing
on here. But the next level up is just, so we're
using Call Me Light. The next level up is Rode
Call Me. And that automatically hits you into
unlimited hours, regardless of whether it's roadcaster
to roadcaster or even web calls. And you get
24 -7 support. And that's really the only difference
between Lite and the regular CallMe. And then
they have the CallMe Pro, which gives you broadcasting
tools, fully integrated IP audio codec for third
-party calls. And then you can do advanced SIP
calling and direct third -party interoperability.
So you could run it into Zoom. Not surprising.
I feel like the mid -tier was something like
$30 or $40 a month. And then the Call Me Pro
was in the $100. $2 ,030 range. What'd you say
for the first one? I thought it was like 30 to
40 bucks for the call me. I don't, I think it's
like 10 a month for one of the options. It was
very reasonable. And then it was like, well,
let's see if I can find their price. Can you
hear my fan? Is it coming through the mic? Just
a little bit when you talk. It's like I can hear
the noise gate open up. Oh. Sorry. It's rather
warm in this cave that I'm in. Okay. Yeah, I
stand corrected. The Rode Call Me is $10 a month
or $99 a year if you paid it one time. And the
Call Me Pro is actually $50. Yeah. I remember
the Pro being like a big chunk of money. Yeah.
And so then if you're not doing that as a, no,
not as a, a small podcaster who makes no money
off their show. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Yes.
So 10, 10 has some $10 a month has some potential
for actually getting some really interested parties,
but yeah, 50 is like, you're, this is what you're
doing. Yes. You'd have to be, this is what you
do for your job. Pretty serious. Okay. So all
of those things are what enable us to do these
podcasts. Yes. I feel like I just ruined that
great transition. Yeah. You blew it up, man.
Blew it up into just not even being worth it.
But what we wanted to talk about today is. The
direction as we see it of podcasting. Yes. Which
is podcast 2 .0. 2 .0. Adam Curry and Dave Jones
and a whole bunch of hosting companies and developers.
People that know more about this than us. Oh,
absolutely. So. Especially the podfather. He's
the one that kind of kicked it all off. Yeah.
I would say like. Well, I guess that's what I
should say. What would you say to the person
who's like, there's nothing wrong with my podcast
app. I'm just, I'm using Apple. I get all the
podcasts I want. Go. Stop using legacy software.
And I mean that derogatory. Legacy, bad, evil.
Yeah, I mean, podcasting apps, you know, non
2 .0, they're fine. They work. whether you are
using Apple or if you're using Amazon or Google
or Spotify, I mean, it's all fine. But 2 .0 really
does look to change the way that you listen to
your podcast. And it's really trying to drive
it to be more interactive. And definitely when
you're driving with the, uh chapter art um so
if you've ever been watching or listening to
the show and you don't have a 2 .0 app you don't
know you're missing out on chapters there is
art assigned to that chapter and if you are using
it on your phone or on a computer with a 2 .0
app when we're introducing our beers you can
actually click the art and it will take you to
the page of the um the brewery For that specific
beer that we're discussing. So you can actually
embed a link into your image. Yeah. And when
you said art there, you're talking about like
Picasso, you're talking about like Van Gogh's
Starry Night. Yeah. We're talking about me doing
a random Google image search and probably stealing
somebody's copyrighted picture and saying, you
know what, that actually would work great for
what we're doing. So. Aside from admitting to
stealing copyrighted material. The point of that
being like it just like podcast 2 .0 takes your
listening experience up a level. Yes. Because
now instead of just listening to it, you can
interact with what we're talking about or what
anybody's talking about who's on a 2 .0 and has
put in this work. You can interact with what
they're talking about on a more personal. level
and sometimes you know i'm sure like there's
a lot of uh podcasters that are using it like
youtubers do a lot to put a link at the bottom
or a link in the in the video that's like oh
we'll go buy this thing that you know then we
get money from that this is more like you for
us at least this is more like you we just want
you to know what we're talking about yes like
there's there's going to be times where Chris
is breaking down something pretty technical and
you may have missed what he just said. And it's
hard to catch up. But if you've got like a diagram
in front of you of what he's actually talking
about, that really helps out. Yeah. So like when
we, if we talk about a specific piece of hardware,
instead of you just hearing us talking about
it and trying to describe it, it could actually
be the image for that specific point in the chapter.
Right. So you can actually see it. And again,
we can enable you to click that art and go to
the webpage of the particular device that we're
talking about. Right. Again, it's all about trying
to make it more interactive because there is
no, to me, a podcast doesn't have video. No.
That's a whole nother animal when you introduce
video. So this is a way to try to bridge, bridge
that gap. Yes. Sorry, that was terrible. It's
not a vodcast. That's not going to catch on.
But the idea being, you're not going to have
to try to remember what we just said and go find
a Google search whenever you get a chance to
look it up or whatever. We're telling you exactly
what we're talking about. We are linking to that.
Seems pretty self -explanatory, but huge benefit.
Absolutely. Massive upside to this. Yeah. So
just for those who are wondering, it doesn't
take a whole lot of time to do chapters, just
depending upon what we were talking about and
how many different things we were discussing
and if there was some random tangent. So the
beauty of being able to play things back at a
higher speed, I'm not saying you should listen
to your podcast at a higher rate of speed. But
when you're trying to do chapters, being able
to do it at two times speed is amazing. Because
now I can get through that show really quick.
Okay, we started talking about this here. We
stopped talking about it there. I've got a picture.
Here we go. So I can typically get our chapter
work done in 30, 40 minutes. For an hour long
show. For an hour long shows. And so that's not
bad because that's, You're listening for, okay,
what are we discussing? When does it start? When
does it stop? Okay, I can put in those time codes.
Okay, now let's go do some Google image search
and let's find a picture. And I have come to
find that the WebP or whatever that is, is the
bane of my existence. Because if you get one
of those and you're like, and now you've got
to convert it to a JPEG or a PNG because that's
not an acceptable format. It's not, it's not
for anybody. No. And then you're looking around
and you're like, the image that I want is only
available in that format. Okay, fine. I'll do
the work to do the, to change it over. But it,
it gets done fairly, fairly quick. And you can
be, you know, you can do as few chapters as you
want, or you can get really crazy with it and
really load it up with tons of chapters. It's
up to the, up to the podcaster. Yeah. Really
handy. And there are going to be some shows that
lend themselves to more chapters and some shows
that don't. On the other hand, I'm going to tell
you, I fully understand listening to something
at two times speed. I've listened to a lot of
audio books that way. Just trying to get through
it. It's bad for the brain. It may be bad for
the brain, but I don't have enough time. You're
going to give yourself technology -induced ADHD.
I've already got ADHD, so that's why I drink
beer. There you go. Got to slow myself down here.
Slow myself down here. There you go. Slow down.
And then for those of you that are listening,
I'll put it in the chapter as well as in the
show notes. But if you want to learn about 2
.0 in general, you go to podcasting2 .org and
you can learn both sides or actually. all three
pieces of it, you can learn what 2 .0 looks like
for the audience, what it looks like for a podcaster
and what it looks like for developers. So they've
put this together. Daniel J. Lewis, the audacity
to podcast. If anybody's ever seen that on, on
YouTube, he goes way back. Isn't that the guy
from the last of the Mohicans? That's the other
Daniel J. Lewis. That's Daniel Day Lewis. There
you go. Daniel Day. There you go. So, but it's
a, it's a really, yes, the site is a really good
resource for anybody who wants to dig in and,
and learn more of the, um, the geekiness with
this page. You can kind of determine how much
you want to turn up that nerd knob. I just had
a office space moment in my head. Why should
I change my name? He's the one who sucks. Yeah.
Um, that's, uh, Michael Bolton. Michael Bolton.
Thank you. There you go. Ever thought of going
by Mike? Why should I change my name? He's the
one who sucks. I always mess up some mundane
detail. Mundane detail, Michael. Love that movie.
Oh, I love that movie. Burn this building down.
Yep. That's it. That's the last straw. I'll set
the building on fire. You have my stapler? The
swing line? Yes. Oh, good show. Good show. Good
show. Yes. Well, I don't know anything about
the developers and podcasting helping developers,
but you talked a little bit about the side of
it being a podcaster and actually helping your
audience. Be involved in it, not actually taking
that much more effort or time or anything like
that, but it also allows for your audience to
send you little stats. Yes, yes. That is the
value for value called the value for value model.
Model. Specifically on that tag, there is value
for value. And that is for us, when you do that,
whether you are. Sending those sats while you're
actually listening to the show, so streaming
it, so many sats per minute. Or if you do a boost,
I like the boost because the boost actually allows
you to include a message. So you can actually
send the podcaster or the podcasters some feedback
on the show. Whether you like something that
was discussed, you didn't like something that
was discussed. and you want to tell them, hey,
your audio sounds like trash, whatever you want
to do, you can send that in the boost. Super
helpful. If you don't think it's helpful, then
you just don't know. Yes. So those who don't
know what SATs are, those are Satoshis. If you
don't know what that is, that's fractions of
a Bitcoin. Think about it as pennies to the Bitcoin
dollar. Fractions of a penny. sure whatever you
want to say at one point it will be one sat if
it keeps going i forget what the cutoff is but
yeah eventually one sat or satoshi will probably
be equal to one penny although if trump gets
his way there won't be any more pennies yeah
so then what do we do around everything fives
i mean i'm not opposed to it there's no sense
in Us printing money other than, you know, tradition
that, that is less valuable than the representation
of it. Yep. Yep. And if I understand. Or more
valuable than the, no. Yes. No. Yes. No. Something
like that. However it goes. If I understand correctly.
The actual physical material that goes in the
penny is worth more than the penny. Yeah. So
that's kind of silly. Let's just go ahead and
use that tiny microscopic amount of copper rivers
inside of it for other things. At this point,
it's probably aluminium. Aluminium. How dare
you turn British on me? It's aluminum. Aluminium.
I did look that up at one point just to make
sure. It's not just that they pronounce it wrong.
They spell it wrong. They do. In England. You
know how the British are. Guys, we're already
speaking English. You don't get to just change
it. And it's not like it was discovered in England.
They just changed it because they're stupid.
Yes. They changed the name of it. No. No, it's
an element. It's not a... What's going on? We
all have to say magnesium. Anyway. Oh, those
lovely Brits. Soapbox. No, they're not lovely.
They're bad teeth. They make fun of us for no
good reason, especially since we kicked their
butts in 1776. Yeah, we did. Regardless of how
they try to play that off. You got your... Nuts
handed to you by General Washington. Sorry about
you. You lost a war you should have won. Yep.
Yep. I've got feelings. So looking at other features
that are out there, kind of coming off of the
value for value. Yeah, I should have. Yeah, I
didn't, I didn't download it. I should have downloaded
the squirrel and I could hit that one whenever
we go off the rails. Next time. Next time. So,
but one that kind of, Oh, there you go. One that
kind of, no, that kind of goes hand in hand with
the value for value is the funding tag. So this
would show up. Yes. So this would show up when
you're listening to the show. And it would be
a button that you could click that would take
you to either the specific way that the podcaster
may accept funds or they may have it set up to
offer different options. So you could click the
funding tag and it may go to PayPal. You may
click it and it goes to, oh, what's the one that
all the other people use? I don't know. I'm drawing
a blank on it. A lot of YouTubers use it. for
alternative funds and that has different levels.
Thank you. Patreon. Yes. Wow. So, I mean, they
could, they could send you to one or the other,
or they could give you the option to choose either
one. Uh, but the funding tag is a really nice,
uh, way. Again, if you're not, not everybody
can, wants to do Satoshi's wants to take the
time to learn that. So this is another alternative
way that you can say, Hey, I love your show.
Here's a little, um, A little cash for your trouble.
Yeah. And if you don't want to learn Satoshis,
just take my word for it. You want to send us
10 ,000 Satoshis. I take that. Thank you very
much. That's what you would want to do. Yes.
For sure. Yes. And then, you know, you don't
even have to do the exchange rate in your head.
And now another one that is now being adopted
by Apple. So, of course, now everybody's jumping
on board is Transcript. which is great for those
who can't hear or yeah. Can't hear or can't hear.
Yeah. I'm sitting there going, you can't hear,
can't see, can't hear. You can actually, you
can still listen to podcasts. Correct. You can
still play it and you can read along. Obviously
be better if you could hear it. Not if you can't
see, you can't read along. If you can't see,
you can't read. Sorry. But you know, that kind
of, It extends podcasts out to people who historically
have been kind of shut out. Yeah. So, uh, that,
that's a really, a really nice one. Um, and so
all of those were in what they called phase one,
because literally what they've done is they've
taken what is the, uh, podcast namespace, um,
without going too much into the weeds. That was
all of the different features that you could
include in your show. And so what they've done
is they've taken that and they've extended it
out so that these things can be ignored by a
legacy podcast, talking to you, Apple, a legacy
player. Or if you've got a 2 .0 player, it can
take these new tags and would know how to handle
those. It just seems like the kind of thing that
they're going to have to put some sort of. effort
into at some point i don't i don't understand
like they they like their own solution so they're
probably trying to figure out how do we do this
by only us and we don't have to we don't interact
with anybody else's stuff they're gonna have
to do it our way or not at all it's like i y
'all are stupid just do the thing that everybody's
doing yep yep yep but they want to say that they
came up with it Yeah, no, it's revolutionary.
No one's ever thought of it before. What we're
doing is you can actually add art to, sorry,
they'll call it something else. You can add media
to your podcast. Right -sized media. You've heard
of chapters in media. What if you could actually,
what if you could put a GIF on that chapter?
And you can do that. How you felt. Wouldn't that
be revolutionary? Wouldn't that be so totally
different than everything else you've ever seen?
Yep. All right. What if you could pay people
who were podcasting from the app? Yep. We're
going to do that. Nobody else does this. Well,
their biggest thing I think on the money is they
want their cut. Yeah. They want their 30%. Yeah.
So it's not in their best interest. No. All right.
I'm going in for. The dunkle. It's a good one.
It's real. Did you really, like, finish that
other beer? I did. I'm very impressed. It's gone.
Just a little bit of foam in the bottom. And
you're saying it's not on the floor in that.
closet that you're in now my wife would kill
me if i did that so well i wanted to kill my
son when he started peeing in his room oh that's
never a good thing okay so i'm a nerd and i get
like all wrapped up in in a game that i'm playing
or or whatever but like i'm not so much of a
nerd that if i'm i'm if i'm in my room playing
a game i can't stop playing the game to go use
the restroom Hmm. That's all I'm saying. Okay.
Okay. Why wouldn't you just whip it out right
there and pee on your carpet? Yikes. I can tell
you why. Because you're going to spend the next
month cleaning your carpet. Yes. Until daddy
can't smell the pee. Yeah, that's almost as bad
as having a cat at that point. It's worse. It's
definitely worse. The cat is an animal. This
is a potty trained human being. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
How do you think, how do you think, what do you
think about the dunkle? The dunkle is good. It's
good. I would say it's, I need to go back and
look. That was an early show. It may be that
this is basically that just in a full pint bottle,
but this is good. Yeah, it's good. So while,
while we're sharing war stories of our children,
I don't think I've shared this one with you yet.
I don't think. Listening. Well, Garrett was in
Europe, got to go basically around the UK. And
when he was in Scotland, he bought a kilt. He
did? Yeah, not necessarily a bad thing. Like,
okay, you bought a skirt. We'll talk about that.
We'll talk about what that means later. Is there
something you want to tell me? Yeah, we've got
some explaining to do. But it's the money that
he paid for the skirt that is like, oh, we got
a problem. So it would appear that he spent.
$700. Oh, my gosh. On a kilt that I found online
for $200. And it's like, dude, what are you doing?
It's authentic. Yeah, they hand wove it. I don't
care. I could have got you the same thing for
$200, man. We got to work on his, what do you
call it? Not getting took? Yeah, his haggling
skills. Man. I felt like I got taken one time
in Israel and I did, but like, even if you can
talk them down to half of the original price,
there's, they're still making a ton of money
on it. You got to like my threshold for being
able to handle somebody calling me cheap and
telling me that they're putting their kids in
the poor house and that they're not going to
be able to feed their family. Like my threshold
for that is really low. So I'm not good at haggling.
Yeah. But like you got to understand at no point
are they actually going to sell you something
for less than what they can sell you it for.
Correct. And so if you're ever in a situation,
I use Israel because they've got a lot of markets
that are, that are. like this where something
marked up like super high and they're going to
see if they can get you to buy it for that much.
And they expect you to come back with, you know,
less than whatever is on it. Yeah. And they get
really offended verbally, but somehow you still
end up walking out of there with this thing that
they are offended to sell you. Yeah. You're supposed
to pay the full price, man. I feel like, I feel
like it'd be the same in Scotland. You got the
guy or probably woman who looks like they could
beat you up and, and they're telling you that,
that you are ripping them off. Yeah. And still
somehow you're able to rip them off. Yeah. Cause
they don't have to sell it to, I mean, no, no.
I wish I could keep that in my mind when they're
telling me these really dirty, not dirty, like
mean things. But I can't. I'm terrible at it.
Oh, I'm just sitting there going, what happens
when they call you those things and you go, you
know, sir, you need Jesus. I imagine that doesn't
go over very well. Not usually. Sieved in the
manner in which it's given. Yep. Yep. Yep. Well,
anyway. Okay. So my recording says we're up to
46. I know we had this call going a little before
that. So I am trying to watch for the end of
the hour notification here. Yeah. So, um, 40,
46 minutes is what I'm at. Yeah. I'm at 46, 42,
but that's the recording we started. Yeah. We
started before. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
I'm, I'm trying to keep an eye out now for, I
mean, we probably about, tell us about our new
or not new, our old, uh, um, oh my gosh, I was
trying to find the thing and I didn't put it
in mind. You've, you've got the, um, sound bit
for the Jason court. Oh, there it is. Extend,
extend, extend, please. Don't cut me off. Extended.
Yes. Recording in progress. Beautiful. Okay.
Thank you. Yes. That was, um, that was almost
like we planned it. Jason. Here we are talking
about it and then it popped up. Yes. So no, no,
no boosts. So buying these beers by ourselves.
Yeah. So. We're just poor podcasters. And when
you become a podcaster, you kind of take a vow
of poverty. Unless your son is buying $700 kilts.
Hey, that was his own money. You get a side job.
That was his money. So, I mean, he shot himself
in the foot with that one. But it was still the
conversation. That's a different conversation.
Yeah, it was still the conversation of like,
what in the world were you thinking? No son of
mine is that stupid. Are you kidding me, man?
Come on, man. You start going all Joe Biden.
Come on, man. Listen, I don't even like to think
of the number in my head. Yes. So all that to
say, we're just poor, lowly podcasters, no money.
We work in ministry. We do. So get the sats going,
and here's the fun little jingle to go with it.
We just need cash. I know a lot of people want
to send blankets or water. Just send your cash.
Just send your cash. I love that clip from those
two. I believe that was Haiti after the earthquake.
Yeah, no, for sure. It wasn't New Orleans. No,
no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do it. They're
going to go to the boats. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So, yeah, so no, no sats for this show, but that's
okay. That's okay. The courts are in Michigan.
It's their yearly trip back. It's a migration.
Yes. Yes. So I gave him the fly or they got to
travel to Michigan. Yes. Get the cool weather.
Yes. In the middle of freaking August. Yes. I
gave him the standard fare. No accepting job
offers. No filling out job applications. No.
You got to come back. Yeah. Especially with tomorrow
being Jacob's last day. You got to come back.
So. Anyway. Yes. Hey, man. Always good to talk
to you. Yeah, it was good. Good. It's good to
see this feature held up. It did. It did a great
job. I'm excited about this for the future. Feeling
more rock solid about the times that we don't
have to or that we need to not be in person.
But always good to see you in person. Yes, absolutely.
I would rather do that for sure. Yes. Oh, real
quick. How have things been at the church since
we made the changes? Good. I feel like everybody's
in a good spot. I feel like they're moving forward.
And there's some hiccups for sure. There's some
vendors that didn't do what they said that they
were going to do. But we're making it happen.
We've got some power stuff being worked out right
now. Well, not right now, but today they were
up here trying to figure out some power stuff.
And then they'll come back, I think, next week
to finish that up. Okay. So, yeah. Did I get
you the notification that I got the VLANs officially
all pulled out of Cybersource? Thank you for
doing that. Yes, that was just a nightmare. We'll
talk about Unify and this update that we ran
into problems with maybe next show. Yes. Because
maybe we'll have a better idea of exactly what
happened by then. Yeah. Just if you're using
Unify's... ecosystem, you need to notice what
security looks like now on the web app. It doesn't
look different, I don't think, on your phone
app, but your web app, it does, and it may change
some things unexpectedly for you that may cause
a problem. Yeah, I'm hoping they can give us
some insight on what went sideways there. Yeah.
Anyway. IT. Yes. All right, brother. Enjoyed
it, man. Yeah. Good to talk to you. Good to talk
to you. See you, everybody. See you. Let's see.
You are Michael... Bolton? Yeah. Is that your
real name? Yeah. Are you any relation to the
pop singer? No, it's just a coincidence. I'll
be honest with you. I love his music. I do. I'm
a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know
if it gets any better than when he sings When
a Man Loves a Woman. But you must really love
his music, huh? Yeah, he's pretty good, I guess.
You're goddamn right he is. So tell me, what's
your favorite song of his? I don't know. I guess
I sort of like them all. So, Ryan, I'm the exact
same way, but it must be twice as hard for you
being to have the same name as him. I celebrate
the guy's entire catalog. Anyway, let's get down
to business, Michael. You know, you can just
call me Mike.