WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.040 The only reason I'm recording is as a backup. 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:38.020 Yep. Hey, Chris. How you doing? Good, John. How 00:00:38.020 --> 00:00:42.780 are you? I'm doing good. We have a very special 00:00:42.780 --> 00:00:47.719 podcast today. Yeah. Very special. But before 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:51.159 we get into why it's so special, what are you 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:53.880 drinking? Oh, I've actually got two new ones. 00:00:54.380 --> 00:00:57.640 Two new ones? One of them I might regret. It 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:02.740 says that it is a Belgian -style triple. It is 00:01:02.740 --> 00:01:06.719 the Victory. But it's called Golden Monkey. So 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:09.299 there's a chance that this may not be very dark. 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:13.099 Is it called Golden Monkey or is it called Brass 00:01:13.099 --> 00:01:16.239 Monkey? No, it's called Golden Monkey. Okay, 00:01:16.260 --> 00:01:19.219 well, they missed an opportunity there. Yes, 00:01:19.379 --> 00:01:20.900 they did. But they probably would have had to 00:01:20.900 --> 00:01:24.260 give some sort of royalty to the Beastie Boys. 00:01:24.620 --> 00:01:28.019 Yes, but I do have a blurb. Okay, give me the 00:01:28.019 --> 00:01:30.480 blurb. So, mystical flavors to enlighten you. 00:01:31.060 --> 00:01:34.250 Let mystical fruit... and spice -filled flavors 00:01:34.250 --> 00:01:38.290 of golden monkey enlighten your senses. Oh, here 00:01:38.290 --> 00:01:43.150 we go. Banana and clove character from Belgian 00:01:43.150 --> 00:01:47.349 yeast meet notes of orange and a light earthy 00:01:47.349 --> 00:01:51.290 hop character to craft a Belgian -style triple 00:01:51.290 --> 00:01:54.290 that'll do you good. You're not going to like 00:01:54.290 --> 00:01:56.349 that. Probably not, but that's what the show 00:01:56.349 --> 00:02:00.170 is for. You experiment. Yeah, I'm not experimenting. 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:04.760 Over here, actually, I got a gift from a very 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.659 good friend of mine whose name starts with a 00:02:07.659 --> 00:02:12.740 C and ends with an Olsen. And he gave me a six 00:02:12.740 --> 00:02:16.919 -pack of Old Chub. Nice. So I'm going to go through 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:19.439 as many of those as I can. I bet you are. He 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.759 actually called me about that today. Did he? 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:23.919 Yeah, he said, if I was going to get John some 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.319 beer, what should I get? I said, well, if you're 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:29.900 going to Fresh, get the Old Chub. However... 00:02:30.469 --> 00:02:33.729 If you're going to go to World Market, you get 00:02:33.729 --> 00:02:38.229 the Chimay Red. Yeah, that's right. Yes. I bet 00:02:38.229 --> 00:02:40.409 he went to a World Market and was like, is that 00:02:40.409 --> 00:02:45.150 champagne? I told him it's a 750 milliliter bottle. 00:02:45.629 --> 00:02:48.289 Okay. He doesn't know milliliters. He's a musician. 00:02:48.550 --> 00:02:52.530 Well, yeah. So the other one, and the more that 00:02:52.530 --> 00:02:54.969 I look at it, I may have had it before, but just 00:02:54.969 --> 00:02:57.810 in a smaller bottle. And I'm going to butcher 00:02:57.810 --> 00:03:03.729 this German name. Yeah. Wine Stefaner. Oh, yeah. 00:03:03.750 --> 00:03:08.110 Wine Stefaner. But it's a Hefeweiße beer, Dunkel. 00:03:08.689 --> 00:03:11.409 I've had a Dunkel from them before, but it didn't 00:03:11.409 --> 00:03:14.830 quite look like this. Yeah. I'm going to go ahead 00:03:14.830 --> 00:03:18.330 and tell you. It may be lighter than you want, 00:03:18.530 --> 00:03:22.669 but it is delicious. Well, I had a Dunkel from 00:03:22.669 --> 00:03:24.949 them before, and it was really good. Yeah. It's 00:03:24.949 --> 00:03:28.090 a Hefeweiße, so it's a wheat beer, but that Dunkel 00:03:28.090 --> 00:03:31.229 is. Awesome. And I really like anything from 00:03:31.229 --> 00:03:33.509 Vaya Estefaner. Yeah. It's one of those like 00:03:33.509 --> 00:03:36.330 really old breweries. They're like claiming to 00:03:36.330 --> 00:03:37.949 be one of the oldest or something like that. 00:03:38.169 --> 00:03:43.129 Yeah. Since 1040. Yeah. So I don't know anything 00:03:43.129 --> 00:03:46.409 about the veracity of that, but it is so good. 00:03:47.009 --> 00:03:50.689 But there's unfortunately there's no blurb other 00:03:50.689 --> 00:03:52.550 than the standard government warning of what 00:03:52.550 --> 00:03:56.030 happens if you consume too much alcohol. Enjoy 00:03:56.030 --> 00:04:01.439 yourself. Yes. But this one is a full pint. Yes. 00:04:01.699 --> 00:04:04.759 So, but I think I'm going to. Which is funny 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:08.699 because a full pint and like pint size doesn't 00:04:08.699 --> 00:04:11.639 sound like a big deal, but. No, but it always 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:16.199 makes me think of Lord of the Rings. What is 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.379 that? It's a pint. It's a pint. They come in 00:04:18.379 --> 00:04:21.459 pints. They come in pints. Yes. So, all right, 00:04:21.459 --> 00:04:32.069 let's open them up. Thank you. Let's see. Oh, 00:04:32.209 --> 00:04:35.089 that is delicious. Oh, I don't think I'm going 00:04:35.089 --> 00:04:38.029 to like this. Wait, which one did you start with? 00:04:38.509 --> 00:04:40.949 Golden monkey. Oh, yeah. No, you're not going 00:04:40.949 --> 00:04:43.850 to like that. I can guarantee it. I'm trying 00:04:43.850 --> 00:04:45.370 to figure out what I'm smelling off of this. 00:04:46.509 --> 00:04:49.509 Orange peel? Other than this doesn't seem like 00:04:49.509 --> 00:04:53.449 it's going to taste good. Banana? There's something 00:04:53.449 --> 00:04:57.759 fruity there. Beer banana. Which is what they 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:01.939 said it would. Spiced fruit. All right, here 00:05:01.939 --> 00:05:06.740 we go. Is it a fruit cake? It might taste like 00:05:06.740 --> 00:05:10.319 one. Are there Skittles in it? But it is 9 .5%. 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.939 You're not going to enjoy it, but you're really 00:05:13.939 --> 00:05:17.259 going to enjoy it. All right, here we go. Bottoms 00:05:17.259 --> 00:05:27.680 up. That's not that bad. Cheers. Hey, look at 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:31.379 you. I probably won't rush out and buy it again, 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:35.800 but it's not bad. Nice. Okay. And it's definitely 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:40.360 lighter than I prefer, but that's okay. Did you 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:42.579 just pour it on your computer? No, no, no, I 00:05:42.579 --> 00:05:46.459 did not. I was looking at the contents. It's 00:05:46.459 --> 00:05:49.319 just a little beer. Through the bottle with the 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:52.899 light of this really tiny monitor that I have 00:05:52.899 --> 00:05:58.689 now. It's not me. I'm sitting here on a 41 inch 00:05:58.689 --> 00:06:03.250 screen. Your face is huge. Sure. It's like you're 00:06:03.250 --> 00:06:05.089 really here. And if you didn't have that, I would 00:06:05.089 --> 00:06:07.649 have said that my screen is big, but I've only 00:06:07.649 --> 00:06:14.930 got a 34. So this is where we throw in the obligatory 00:06:14.930 --> 00:06:16.870 Shrek. Do you think he's making up for something? 00:06:16.949 --> 00:06:25.480 Donkey. Hey, all right. Well, I will. Do as usual, 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.240 and I will get through the beer, but I don't 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:33.180 know that I will rush into another one. No, that 00:06:33.180 --> 00:06:35.079 makes sense. I'm glad I did the pick six and 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:37.879 didn't get a whole six -pack. Yeah, that would 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:43.560 have been bad. Wait, so the Brass Monkey is from 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:47.220 the pick six, but the Viacifoner isn't? No, it 00:06:47.220 --> 00:06:51.060 was a standalone. Okay. Because I was like, if 00:06:51.060 --> 00:06:55.189 they let you put... No. Pints in the pick six. 00:06:55.370 --> 00:07:00.149 I'm going back. Yes. Yeah. No, I got this. And 00:07:00.149 --> 00:07:05.649 then I grabbed two of the Rochefort number 10. 00:07:06.589 --> 00:07:13.129 Oh, okay. I love that one. Rochefort. Not. It's 00:07:13.129 --> 00:07:17.730 a Trappist. Rasmussen. No, not Rasputin. Rasputin. 00:07:17.829 --> 00:07:24.509 Oh. Oh. yikes bad memories bad memories yeah 00:07:24.509 --> 00:07:28.370 that's really rough old chub man just always 00:07:28.370 --> 00:07:31.949 a classic um if you like scotch ale you should 00:07:31.949 --> 00:07:34.750 you should pick it up it's made by a brewery 00:07:34.750 --> 00:07:38.689 called oscar blues in longmont colorado i think 00:07:38.689 --> 00:07:41.350 it's longmont it's it's close to longmont if 00:07:41.350 --> 00:07:46.269 it isn't actually in longmont um and it's fantastic 00:07:46.269 --> 00:07:49.230 and i think they've gone back to the green uh 00:07:49.230 --> 00:07:52.120 cans as opposed to the like They had, they had 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.279 plaid cans there for a little bit that weren't 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:59.540 like Scottish plaid. They were like really weird 00:07:59.540 --> 00:08:06.139 looking plaid. It was not, not something that 00:08:06.139 --> 00:08:09.319 you buy based on the look of it. It's true. So 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.160 there's, I know you can see that the folks can't, 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:15.459 but that's on the golden monkey label. I mean, 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.579 it'll be on the show notes. That's true. You're 00:08:17.579 --> 00:08:19.819 going to be able to see the chapters whenever 00:08:19.819 --> 00:08:26.050 you, download your 2 .0 app. Yes. And that's 00:08:26.050 --> 00:08:28.029 a, that's a fun transition that you're pulling 00:08:28.029 --> 00:08:31.850 off there, John. I just, I did it off the top 00:08:31.850 --> 00:08:35.450 of my head. Off the cuff. We're going to be talking 00:08:35.450 --> 00:08:38.850 podcast. Yes, we are. Today. And we're talking, 00:08:38.990 --> 00:08:42.690 it's, we're podcasting about podcasting. 2 .0. 00:08:42.769 --> 00:08:44.450 And we're going to, we're going to talk mostly 00:08:44.450 --> 00:08:47.350 about 2 .0. We did, I did want to mention though, 00:08:47.429 --> 00:08:55.220 that we are trying out a new, to our roadcasters. 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.179 Yes, we are. Since both of us have roadcasters, 00:08:58.200 --> 00:08:59.899 we're actually not in the same room together. 00:09:00.019 --> 00:09:02.580 We're looking at each other over the interwebs. 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.879 But we're recording and we're talking to each 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:09.879 other over our roadcasters and the new functionality 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:17.120 that they call Call Me. Yay! This is going to 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:20.940 get dangerous. It's going to be great. So the 00:09:20.940 --> 00:09:25.799 Call Me, functionality uh i was like i don't 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:28.940 know if this is actually like something i'm at 00:09:28.940 --> 00:09:32.059 all even really interested in and then i remembered 00:09:32.059 --> 00:09:35.240 that my good friend chris kincaid has a roadcaster 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.080 because i was like i don't i don't know that 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:40.320 i would ever use that for anything um but if 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.620 you have like if both ends of your call have 00:09:43.620 --> 00:09:50.700 roadcasters i mean you sound fantastic you could 00:09:50.700 --> 00:09:54.289 be in the room with me So I'm not getting any 00:09:54.289 --> 00:09:55.990 loss. It doesn't sound like you're on a telephone 00:09:55.990 --> 00:09:59.970 call. Nope. But it just connects to the other 00:09:59.970 --> 00:10:04.889 person's Rodecaster like a call. We're recording 00:10:04.889 --> 00:10:08.230 on both ends just to make sure if something happens 00:10:08.230 --> 00:10:12.389 that we have a fail safe. Yep. You said you were 00:10:12.389 --> 00:10:15.090 using your computer. Are you on the app on your 00:10:15.090 --> 00:10:18.429 computer or are you, what are you doing? Yeah, 00:10:18.450 --> 00:10:22.460 I have the app open. But I've also got the actual 00:10:22.460 --> 00:10:25.740 Rodecaster right here. I called the Rodecaster, 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.679 right? Correct. And I saw it pop up to accept 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:30.960 the call on the Rodecaster, and I saw it also 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:36.480 pop up in the software. Nice. So all we did was 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.620 you have to do the update, and then you enable 00:10:39.620 --> 00:10:48.259 the call main functionality in your new UI. It 00:10:48.259 --> 00:10:50.539 gives you a little QR code that you can scan. 00:10:51.059 --> 00:10:57.840 And if you haven't already done the licensing, 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:03.779 not licensing, when you're registering your RODECaster, 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:07.860 then you can walk through that. But then it just 00:11:07.860 --> 00:11:10.019 basically gives you a little code. And as long 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:15.860 as you don't turn off the capability of... hosting, 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.259 then the code stays the same. Yeah. That's what 00:11:18.259 --> 00:11:20.019 I understand. Yep. That's correct. But you put 00:11:20.019 --> 00:11:22.580 that in or you don't put that in. You get your 00:11:22.580 --> 00:11:28.299 friend's code and you just type that in and you 00:11:28.299 --> 00:11:30.559 can, you can then save that in an address book. 00:11:30.659 --> 00:11:33.100 That's pretty cool. Yep. You can actually on 00:11:33.100 --> 00:11:35.740 your end, you can, you can say what your caller 00:11:35.740 --> 00:11:39.240 ID should read. Yep. Just great. Cause you know, 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.120 you may need to tell people who's calling whenever 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.240 you do this. If you're, a studio or somebody 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:48.740 that they're actually expecting a call from. 00:11:49.539 --> 00:11:54.379 And then you just hit the call me button or start 00:11:54.379 --> 00:11:58.299 call or whatever it is. And it was like, I was 00:11:58.299 --> 00:12:03.399 anticipating some beta behavior and there's, 00:12:03.419 --> 00:12:06.879 this has not been beta. This, this, this feels 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:11.019 very easy and they looks like they seems like 00:12:11.019 --> 00:12:13.399 they ran the traps pretty. Pretty well. We'll 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.000 see if we have any kind of drop or anything like 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.139 that. True. We're both hardwired in. We are. 00:12:19.259 --> 00:12:22.700 You're not trying to do this over Wi -Fi. No. 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:26.039 Again, just not trying to introduce any kind 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:31.620 of problem here. Yeah. But hard -lined in. Got 00:12:31.620 --> 00:12:33.840 a good and steady Wi -Fi connection. Or not Wi 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:39.840 -Fi. Steady internet connection. Don't let Optimum 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:42.720 hear that. Yeah, I shouldn't have said that out 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:47.379 loud. But it's going really well. It is. And 00:12:47.379 --> 00:12:52.460 you assign the other person to one of your inputs. 00:12:52.940 --> 00:12:55.860 Yep. I've got you on a fader, so I don't have 00:12:55.860 --> 00:12:59.259 to do that virtually. Correct. Yeah, I have the 00:12:59.259 --> 00:13:02.480 same. And what's nice is if the person that you 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.460 want to talk to doesn't have a RODECaster, you 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:08.419 can send them a web link and they can actually 00:13:08.419 --> 00:13:12.899 come in via a web browser. Yeah. There is, if 00:13:12.899 --> 00:13:18.279 you are hoping to do this free, the web browser 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:23.019 does have a limit on the number of minutes. Five 00:13:23.019 --> 00:13:28.120 hours a month. I mean, that's not, you're not 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.639 hitting that. No. That's much larger than I thought. 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.559 And then there is a limit on the free for even 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:36.679 Roadcaster to Roadcaster, but it was like, I'm 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:38.580 not ever going to make it. Ten hours a month. 00:13:39.210 --> 00:13:43.230 10 hours. So 10 hours and five hours seems like 00:13:43.230 --> 00:13:46.970 you could do this pretty flawlessly. Yep. Um, 00:13:47.090 --> 00:13:51.470 and I'm, I'm just saying we've had a few problems 00:13:51.470 --> 00:13:54.289 when we've tried to set up roadcaster, uh, stuff 00:13:54.289 --> 00:13:57.230 whenever we've, um, or yeah, when we've used 00:13:57.230 --> 00:14:04.730 connect and we've just tried to go, um, you know, 00:14:04.730 --> 00:14:09.120 over the internet using Roadcaster with them 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.379 mix minus coming out of Riverside. And yes, I 00:14:13.379 --> 00:14:15.759 think we did a Google meet one time where we 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:17.799 were having some sort of issue. Yeah. And we 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:23.159 did. Oh, when we started, it was, was it clear 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:25.820 stream? I think it was the one that we started 00:14:25.820 --> 00:14:28.159 with and then we even had trouble there. Yeah. 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.820 That one didn't work at all. And that may have 00:14:30.820 --> 00:14:33.700 been us. I'm not, I'm definitely not dogging 00:14:33.700 --> 00:14:39.789 on anybody's solution at this point. We've been 00:14:39.789 --> 00:14:44.169 as messy in this as I think we possibly can be. 00:14:44.289 --> 00:14:52.470 Yes. But I will say this felt very easy. So I 00:14:52.470 --> 00:14:57.230 fully recommend this. I was excited to try it. 00:14:57.250 --> 00:15:00.710 And the fact that it went so smoothly makes me 00:15:00.710 --> 00:15:07.080 feel great. Oh. I just read some fine print. 00:15:07.860 --> 00:15:11.019 What was it? Calls on the road call me light 00:15:11.019 --> 00:15:14.679 and road call me plans are only one hour long 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:17.259 unless extended by the host by another hour. 00:15:18.500 --> 00:15:21.059 Wow. At the one hour mark, there will be a warning. 00:15:22.019 --> 00:15:24.860 Then unless extended by the host, the call will 00:15:24.860 --> 00:15:28.960 be terminated. Wow. Very zoom of them. We've 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:32.440 got a clock now that we didn't realize that we 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:36.139 had. Yep. You're hosting because I called you, 00:15:36.220 --> 00:15:38.419 right? Yes, I will try to keep an eye out for 00:15:38.419 --> 00:15:41.419 that notification. Because I was actually trying 00:15:41.419 --> 00:15:43.100 to find the company that they partnered with 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:46.100 for this, but I'm not seeing it. But for those 00:15:46.100 --> 00:15:50.559 who are interested, they have the two paid tiers, 00:15:50.700 --> 00:15:52.360 and I'm shocked that they don't have the pricing 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:57.159 on here. But the next level up is just, so we're 00:15:57.159 --> 00:15:59.460 using Call Me Light. The next level up is Rode 00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:02.639 Call Me. And that automatically hits you into 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.159 unlimited hours, regardless of whether it's roadcaster 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:11.759 to roadcaster or even web calls. And you get 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:15.899 24 -7 support. And that's really the only difference 00:16:15.899 --> 00:16:19.120 between Lite and the regular CallMe. And then 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:23.980 they have the CallMe Pro, which gives you broadcasting 00:16:23.980 --> 00:16:28.659 tools, fully integrated IP audio codec for third 00:16:28.659 --> 00:16:32.039 -party calls. And then you can do advanced SIP 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:36.759 calling and direct third -party interoperability. 00:16:36.820 --> 00:16:41.639 So you could run it into Zoom. Not surprising. 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.240 I feel like the mid -tier was something like 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.200 $30 or $40 a month. And then the Call Me Pro 00:16:53.200 --> 00:17:05.839 was in the $100. $2 ,030 range. What'd you say 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.460 for the first one? I thought it was like 30 to 00:17:08.460 --> 00:17:12.660 40 bucks for the call me. I don't, I think it's 00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:15.880 like 10 a month for one of the options. It was 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.359 very reasonable. And then it was like, well, 00:17:19.539 --> 00:17:26.160 let's see if I can find their price. Can you 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.450 hear my fan? Is it coming through the mic? Just 00:17:29.450 --> 00:17:31.170 a little bit when you talk. It's like I can hear 00:17:31.170 --> 00:17:37.250 the noise gate open up. Oh. Sorry. It's rather 00:17:37.250 --> 00:17:41.470 warm in this cave that I'm in. Okay. Yeah, I 00:17:41.470 --> 00:17:45.390 stand corrected. The Rode Call Me is $10 a month 00:17:45.390 --> 00:17:49.289 or $99 a year if you paid it one time. And the 00:17:49.289 --> 00:17:52.890 Call Me Pro is actually $50. Yeah. I remember 00:17:52.890 --> 00:17:56.710 the Pro being like a big chunk of money. Yeah. 00:17:57.130 --> 00:18:00.250 And so then if you're not doing that as a, no, 00:18:00.369 --> 00:18:03.890 not as a, a small podcaster who makes no money 00:18:03.890 --> 00:18:08.690 off their show. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Yes. 00:18:09.769 --> 00:18:14.869 So 10, 10 has some $10 a month has some potential 00:18:14.869 --> 00:18:21.349 for actually getting some really interested parties, 00:18:21.490 --> 00:18:25.369 but yeah, 50 is like, you're, this is what you're 00:18:25.369 --> 00:18:28.890 doing. Yes. You'd have to be, this is what you 00:18:28.890 --> 00:18:34.250 do for your job. Pretty serious. Okay. So all 00:18:34.250 --> 00:18:39.910 of those things are what enable us to do these 00:18:39.910 --> 00:18:43.970 podcasts. Yes. I feel like I just ruined that 00:18:43.970 --> 00:18:46.890 great transition. Yeah. You blew it up, man. 00:18:47.269 --> 00:18:50.630 Blew it up into just not even being worth it. 00:18:50.650 --> 00:18:56.259 But what we wanted to talk about today is. The 00:18:56.259 --> 00:19:00.619 direction as we see it of podcasting. Yes. Which 00:19:00.619 --> 00:19:05.039 is podcast 2 .0. 2 .0. Adam Curry and Dave Jones 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:08.599 and a whole bunch of hosting companies and developers. 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:13.380 People that know more about this than us. Oh, 00:19:13.420 --> 00:19:17.180 absolutely. So. Especially the podfather. He's 00:19:17.180 --> 00:19:19.640 the one that kind of kicked it all off. Yeah. 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:25.230 I would say like. Well, I guess that's what I 00:19:25.230 --> 00:19:27.970 should say. What would you say to the person 00:19:27.970 --> 00:19:29.869 who's like, there's nothing wrong with my podcast 00:19:29.869 --> 00:19:32.029 app. I'm just, I'm using Apple. I get all the 00:19:32.029 --> 00:19:36.109 podcasts I want. Go. Stop using legacy software. 00:19:37.670 --> 00:19:42.369 And I mean that derogatory. Legacy, bad, evil. 00:19:44.150 --> 00:19:48.569 Yeah, I mean, podcasting apps, you know, non 00:19:48.569 --> 00:19:51.779 2 .0, they're fine. They work. whether you are 00:19:51.779 --> 00:19:55.799 using Apple or if you're using Amazon or Google 00:19:55.799 --> 00:20:03.500 or Spotify, I mean, it's all fine. But 2 .0 really 00:20:03.500 --> 00:20:09.259 does look to change the way that you listen to 00:20:09.259 --> 00:20:13.259 your podcast. And it's really trying to drive 00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:18.019 it to be more interactive. And definitely when 00:20:18.019 --> 00:20:23.440 you're driving with the, uh chapter art um so 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:25.619 if you've ever been watching or listening to 00:20:25.619 --> 00:20:27.579 the show and you don't have a 2 .0 app you don't 00:20:27.579 --> 00:20:30.000 know you're missing out on chapters there is 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:36.019 art assigned to that chapter and if you are using 00:20:36.019 --> 00:20:38.819 it on your phone or on a computer with a 2 .0 00:20:38.819 --> 00:20:43.039 app when we're introducing our beers you can 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.519 actually click the art and it will take you to 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:50.329 the page of the um the brewery For that specific 00:20:50.329 --> 00:20:53.130 beer that we're discussing. So you can actually 00:20:53.130 --> 00:20:56.750 embed a link into your image. Yeah. And when 00:20:56.750 --> 00:20:59.910 you said art there, you're talking about like 00:20:59.910 --> 00:21:02.750 Picasso, you're talking about like Van Gogh's 00:21:02.750 --> 00:21:06.049 Starry Night. Yeah. We're talking about me doing 00:21:06.049 --> 00:21:09.529 a random Google image search and probably stealing 00:21:09.529 --> 00:21:12.970 somebody's copyrighted picture and saying, you 00:21:12.970 --> 00:21:14.609 know what, that actually would work great for 00:21:14.609 --> 00:21:19.619 what we're doing. So. Aside from admitting to 00:21:19.619 --> 00:21:23.779 stealing copyrighted material. The point of that 00:21:23.779 --> 00:21:28.720 being like it just like podcast 2 .0 takes your 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:32.619 listening experience up a level. Yes. Because 00:21:32.619 --> 00:21:34.579 now instead of just listening to it, you can 00:21:34.579 --> 00:21:37.420 interact with what we're talking about or what 00:21:37.420 --> 00:21:39.640 anybody's talking about who's on a 2 .0 and has 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:43.859 put in this work. You can interact with what 00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:47.220 they're talking about on a more personal. level 00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:49.920 and sometimes you know i'm sure like there's 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.640 a lot of uh podcasters that are using it like 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.900 youtubers do a lot to put a link at the bottom 00:21:55.900 --> 00:21:59.599 or a link in the in the video that's like oh 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.440 we'll go buy this thing that you know then we 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:06.799 get money from that this is more like you for 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:11.220 us at least this is more like you we just want 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:14.119 you to know what we're talking about yes like 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:16.859 there's there's going to be times where Chris 00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:18.759 is breaking down something pretty technical and 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:24.740 you may have missed what he just said. And it's 00:22:24.740 --> 00:22:27.900 hard to catch up. But if you've got like a diagram 00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:29.900 in front of you of what he's actually talking 00:22:29.900 --> 00:22:32.799 about, that really helps out. Yeah. So like when 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.400 we, if we talk about a specific piece of hardware, 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:39.599 instead of you just hearing us talking about 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:42.059 it and trying to describe it, it could actually 00:22:42.059 --> 00:22:45.680 be the image for that specific point in the chapter. 00:22:46.349 --> 00:22:48.309 Right. So you can actually see it. And again, 00:22:48.390 --> 00:22:51.430 we can enable you to click that art and go to 00:22:51.430 --> 00:22:54.750 the webpage of the particular device that we're 00:22:54.750 --> 00:22:57.529 talking about. Right. Again, it's all about trying 00:22:57.529 --> 00:23:00.450 to make it more interactive because there is 00:23:00.450 --> 00:23:05.529 no, to me, a podcast doesn't have video. No. 00:23:05.650 --> 00:23:07.650 That's a whole nother animal when you introduce 00:23:07.650 --> 00:23:11.490 video. So this is a way to try to bridge, bridge 00:23:11.490 --> 00:23:16.690 that gap. Yes. Sorry, that was terrible. It's 00:23:16.690 --> 00:23:19.210 not a vodcast. That's not going to catch on. 00:23:21.150 --> 00:23:26.130 But the idea being, you're not going to have 00:23:26.130 --> 00:23:28.250 to try to remember what we just said and go find 00:23:28.250 --> 00:23:32.329 a Google search whenever you get a chance to 00:23:32.329 --> 00:23:34.470 look it up or whatever. We're telling you exactly 00:23:34.470 --> 00:23:36.650 what we're talking about. We are linking to that. 00:23:37.670 --> 00:23:43.349 Seems pretty self -explanatory, but huge benefit. 00:23:44.269 --> 00:23:47.089 Absolutely. Massive upside to this. Yeah. So 00:23:47.089 --> 00:23:51.970 just for those who are wondering, it doesn't 00:23:51.970 --> 00:23:55.369 take a whole lot of time to do chapters, just 00:23:55.369 --> 00:23:57.349 depending upon what we were talking about and 00:23:57.349 --> 00:23:59.529 how many different things we were discussing 00:23:59.529 --> 00:24:03.569 and if there was some random tangent. So the 00:24:03.569 --> 00:24:06.970 beauty of being able to play things back at a 00:24:06.970 --> 00:24:10.250 higher speed, I'm not saying you should listen 00:24:10.250 --> 00:24:12.880 to your podcast at a higher rate of speed. But 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:14.579 when you're trying to do chapters, being able 00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:19.380 to do it at two times speed is amazing. Because 00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:22.299 now I can get through that show really quick. 00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:25.480 Okay, we started talking about this here. We 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.400 stopped talking about it there. I've got a picture. 00:24:29.420 --> 00:24:33.619 Here we go. So I can typically get our chapter 00:24:33.619 --> 00:24:39.059 work done in 30, 40 minutes. For an hour long 00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:41.140 show. For an hour long shows. And so that's not 00:24:41.140 --> 00:24:44.009 bad because that's, You're listening for, okay, 00:24:44.029 --> 00:24:45.809 what are we discussing? When does it start? When 00:24:45.809 --> 00:24:48.710 does it stop? Okay, I can put in those time codes. 00:24:48.950 --> 00:24:51.529 Okay, now let's go do some Google image search 00:24:51.529 --> 00:24:55.230 and let's find a picture. And I have come to 00:24:55.230 --> 00:24:59.029 find that the WebP or whatever that is, is the 00:24:59.029 --> 00:25:02.630 bane of my existence. Because if you get one 00:25:02.630 --> 00:25:05.130 of those and you're like, and now you've got 00:25:05.130 --> 00:25:08.910 to convert it to a JPEG or a PNG because that's 00:25:08.910 --> 00:25:11.619 not an acceptable format. It's not, it's not 00:25:11.619 --> 00:25:13.299 for anybody. No. And then you're looking around 00:25:13.299 --> 00:25:16.119 and you're like, the image that I want is only 00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.140 available in that format. Okay, fine. I'll do 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:21.779 the work to do the, to change it over. But it, 00:25:21.819 --> 00:25:25.099 it gets done fairly, fairly quick. And you can 00:25:25.099 --> 00:25:28.279 be, you know, you can do as few chapters as you 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.079 want, or you can get really crazy with it and 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.099 really load it up with tons of chapters. It's 00:25:33.099 --> 00:25:38.140 up to the, up to the podcaster. Yeah. Really 00:25:38.140 --> 00:25:40.470 handy. And there are going to be some shows that 00:25:40.470 --> 00:25:42.329 lend themselves to more chapters and some shows 00:25:42.329 --> 00:25:46.289 that don't. On the other hand, I'm going to tell 00:25:46.289 --> 00:25:49.430 you, I fully understand listening to something 00:25:49.430 --> 00:25:52.730 at two times speed. I've listened to a lot of 00:25:52.730 --> 00:25:56.569 audio books that way. Just trying to get through 00:25:56.569 --> 00:25:59.890 it. It's bad for the brain. It may be bad for 00:25:59.890 --> 00:26:02.470 the brain, but I don't have enough time. You're 00:26:02.470 --> 00:26:04.950 going to give yourself technology -induced ADHD. 00:26:06.909 --> 00:26:11.410 I've already got ADHD, so that's why I drink 00:26:11.410 --> 00:26:14.950 beer. There you go. Got to slow myself down here. 00:26:15.210 --> 00:26:18.490 Slow myself down here. There you go. Slow down. 00:26:18.990 --> 00:26:20.890 And then for those of you that are listening, 00:26:21.029 --> 00:26:23.150 I'll put it in the chapter as well as in the 00:26:23.150 --> 00:26:26.230 show notes. But if you want to learn about 2 00:26:26.230 --> 00:26:32.450 .0 in general, you go to podcasting2 .org and 00:26:32.450 --> 00:26:36.140 you can learn both sides or actually. all three 00:26:36.140 --> 00:26:39.240 pieces of it, you can learn what 2 .0 looks like 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.539 for the audience, what it looks like for a podcaster 00:26:41.539 --> 00:26:45.279 and what it looks like for developers. So they've 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:51.240 put this together. Daniel J. Lewis, the audacity 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.579 to podcast. If anybody's ever seen that on, on 00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:56.200 YouTube, he goes way back. Isn't that the guy 00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.380 from the last of the Mohicans? That's the other 00:26:59.380 --> 00:27:03.079 Daniel J. Lewis. That's Daniel Day Lewis. There 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.779 you go. Daniel Day. There you go. So, but it's 00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:09.140 a, it's a really, yes, the site is a really good 00:27:09.140 --> 00:27:12.960 resource for anybody who wants to dig in and, 00:27:12.980 --> 00:27:17.960 and learn more of the, um, the geekiness with 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:19.920 this page. You can kind of determine how much 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.859 you want to turn up that nerd knob. I just had 00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:25.779 a office space moment in my head. Why should 00:27:25.779 --> 00:27:29.500 I change my name? He's the one who sucks. Yeah. 00:27:30.740 --> 00:27:34.710 Um, that's, uh, Michael Bolton. Michael Bolton. 00:27:34.730 --> 00:27:37.069 Thank you. There you go. Ever thought of going 00:27:37.069 --> 00:27:40.049 by Mike? Why should I change my name? He's the 00:27:40.049 --> 00:27:43.069 one who sucks. I always mess up some mundane 00:27:43.069 --> 00:27:51.670 detail. Mundane detail, Michael. Love that movie. 00:27:53.250 --> 00:27:56.509 Oh, I love that movie. Burn this building down. 00:27:56.849 --> 00:28:00.950 Yep. That's it. That's the last straw. I'll set 00:28:00.950 --> 00:28:05.990 the building on fire. You have my stapler? The 00:28:05.990 --> 00:28:13.470 swing line? Yes. Oh, good show. Good show. Good 00:28:13.470 --> 00:28:16.509 show. Yes. Well, I don't know anything about 00:28:16.509 --> 00:28:24.190 the developers and podcasting helping developers, 00:28:24.509 --> 00:28:28.970 but you talked a little bit about the side of 00:28:28.970 --> 00:28:31.009 it being a podcaster and actually helping your 00:28:31.009 --> 00:28:34.720 audience. Be involved in it, not actually taking 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.599 that much more effort or time or anything like 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.200 that, but it also allows for your audience to 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:45.039 send you little stats. Yes, yes. That is the 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:50.519 value for value called the value for value model. 00:28:50.859 --> 00:28:54.099 Model. Specifically on that tag, there is value 00:28:54.099 --> 00:28:59.460 for value. And that is for us, when you do that, 00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:03.420 whether you are. Sending those sats while you're 00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:05.440 actually listening to the show, so streaming 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:11.000 it, so many sats per minute. Or if you do a boost, 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.960 I like the boost because the boost actually allows 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.740 you to include a message. So you can actually 00:29:18.740 --> 00:29:23.200 send the podcaster or the podcasters some feedback 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.299 on the show. Whether you like something that 00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:29.140 was discussed, you didn't like something that 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:31.809 was discussed. and you want to tell them, hey, 00:29:31.829 --> 00:29:34.190 your audio sounds like trash, whatever you want 00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:38.170 to do, you can send that in the boost. Super 00:29:38.170 --> 00:29:40.190 helpful. If you don't think it's helpful, then 00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:44.529 you just don't know. Yes. So those who don't 00:29:44.529 --> 00:29:47.430 know what SATs are, those are Satoshis. If you 00:29:47.430 --> 00:29:49.569 don't know what that is, that's fractions of 00:29:49.569 --> 00:29:54.490 a Bitcoin. Think about it as pennies to the Bitcoin 00:29:54.490 --> 00:29:58.990 dollar. Fractions of a penny. sure whatever you 00:29:58.990 --> 00:30:03.569 want to say at one point it will be one sat if 00:30:03.569 --> 00:30:05.730 it keeps going i forget what the cutoff is but 00:30:05.730 --> 00:30:10.630 yeah eventually one sat or satoshi will probably 00:30:10.630 --> 00:30:13.970 be equal to one penny although if trump gets 00:30:13.970 --> 00:30:16.650 his way there won't be any more pennies yeah 00:30:16.650 --> 00:30:21.690 so then what do we do around everything fives 00:30:21.690 --> 00:30:25.369 i mean i'm not opposed to it there's no sense 00:30:25.369 --> 00:30:30.240 in Us printing money other than, you know, tradition 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:41.940 that, that is less valuable than the representation 00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:46.460 of it. Yep. Yep. And if I understand. Or more 00:30:46.460 --> 00:30:51.240 valuable than the, no. Yes. No. Yes. No. Something 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.299 like that. However it goes. If I understand correctly. 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.259 The actual physical material that goes in the 00:30:59.259 --> 00:31:03.000 penny is worth more than the penny. Yeah. So 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.660 that's kind of silly. Let's just go ahead and 00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:11.579 use that tiny microscopic amount of copper rivers 00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:15.079 inside of it for other things. At this point, 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:20.279 it's probably aluminium. Aluminium. How dare 00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:25.809 you turn British on me? It's aluminum. Aluminium. 00:31:25.809 --> 00:31:28.609 I did look that up at one point just to make 00:31:28.609 --> 00:31:31.789 sure. It's not just that they pronounce it wrong. 00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:35.789 They spell it wrong. They do. In England. You 00:31:35.789 --> 00:31:39.410 know how the British are. Guys, we're already 00:31:39.410 --> 00:31:42.130 speaking English. You don't get to just change 00:31:42.130 --> 00:31:47.170 it. And it's not like it was discovered in England. 00:31:47.349 --> 00:31:50.329 They just changed it because they're stupid. 00:31:50.869 --> 00:31:55.220 Yes. They changed the name of it. No. No, it's 00:31:55.220 --> 00:32:01.279 an element. It's not a... What's going on? We 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:07.839 all have to say magnesium. Anyway. Oh, those 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.400 lovely Brits. Soapbox. No, they're not lovely. 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.940 They're bad teeth. They make fun of us for no 00:32:13.940 --> 00:32:16.119 good reason, especially since we kicked their 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:20.119 butts in 1776. Yeah, we did. Regardless of how 00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:25.650 they try to play that off. You got your... Nuts 00:32:25.650 --> 00:32:30.250 handed to you by General Washington. Sorry about 00:32:30.250 --> 00:32:34.950 you. You lost a war you should have won. Yep. 00:32:35.369 --> 00:32:43.170 Yep. I've got feelings. So looking at other features 00:32:43.170 --> 00:32:46.569 that are out there, kind of coming off of the 00:32:46.569 --> 00:32:51.380 value for value. Yeah, I should have. Yeah, I 00:32:51.380 --> 00:32:53.299 didn't, I didn't download it. I should have downloaded 00:32:53.299 --> 00:32:56.640 the squirrel and I could hit that one whenever 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.980 we go off the rails. Next time. Next time. So, 00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:05.099 but one that kind of, Oh, there you go. One that 00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:08.720 kind of, no, that kind of goes hand in hand with 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:14.339 the value for value is the funding tag. So this 00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:17.240 would show up. Yes. So this would show up when 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.910 you're listening to the show. And it would be 00:33:19.910 --> 00:33:22.269 a button that you could click that would take 00:33:22.269 --> 00:33:26.589 you to either the specific way that the podcaster 00:33:26.589 --> 00:33:29.930 may accept funds or they may have it set up to 00:33:29.930 --> 00:33:32.730 offer different options. So you could click the 00:33:32.730 --> 00:33:35.430 funding tag and it may go to PayPal. You may 00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:40.289 click it and it goes to, oh, what's the one that 00:33:40.289 --> 00:33:45.329 all the other people use? I don't know. I'm drawing 00:33:45.329 --> 00:33:48.319 a blank on it. A lot of YouTubers use it. for 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.740 alternative funds and that has different levels. 00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:54.920 Thank you. Patreon. Yes. Wow. So, I mean, they 00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:56.640 could, they could send you to one or the other, 00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.140 or they could give you the option to choose either 00:33:59.140 --> 00:34:02.640 one. Uh, but the funding tag is a really nice, 00:34:02.660 --> 00:34:06.059 uh, way. Again, if you're not, not everybody 00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:08.300 can, wants to do Satoshi's wants to take the 00:34:08.300 --> 00:34:11.559 time to learn that. So this is another alternative 00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.440 way that you can say, Hey, I love your show. 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.900 Here's a little, um, A little cash for your trouble. 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.539 Yeah. And if you don't want to learn Satoshis, 00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:24.219 just take my word for it. You want to send us 00:34:24.219 --> 00:34:29.019 10 ,000 Satoshis. I take that. Thank you very 00:34:29.019 --> 00:34:31.280 much. That's what you would want to do. Yes. 00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:35.960 For sure. Yes. And then, you know, you don't 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:37.639 even have to do the exchange rate in your head. 00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:41.159 And now another one that is now being adopted 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.460 by Apple. So, of course, now everybody's jumping 00:34:43.460 --> 00:34:48.690 on board is Transcript. which is great for those 00:34:48.690 --> 00:34:53.949 who can't hear or yeah. Can't hear or can't hear. 00:34:54.010 --> 00:34:56.429 Yeah. I'm sitting there going, you can't hear, 00:34:56.469 --> 00:35:01.570 can't see, can't hear. You can actually, you 00:35:01.570 --> 00:35:03.190 can still listen to podcasts. Correct. You can 00:35:03.190 --> 00:35:07.289 still play it and you can read along. Obviously 00:35:07.289 --> 00:35:08.789 be better if you could hear it. Not if you can't 00:35:08.789 --> 00:35:11.110 see, you can't read along. If you can't see, 00:35:11.210 --> 00:35:14.750 you can't read. Sorry. But you know, that kind 00:35:14.750 --> 00:35:19.300 of, It extends podcasts out to people who historically 00:35:19.300 --> 00:35:23.400 have been kind of shut out. Yeah. So, uh, that, 00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:26.199 that's a really, a really nice one. Um, and so 00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.380 all of those were in what they called phase one, 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:31.599 because literally what they've done is they've 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:36.539 taken what is the, uh, podcast namespace, um, 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.320 without going too much into the weeds. That was 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.480 all of the different features that you could 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:46.219 include in your show. And so what they've done 00:35:46.219 --> 00:35:48.559 is they've taken that and they've extended it 00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:54.219 out so that these things can be ignored by a 00:35:54.219 --> 00:35:58.460 legacy podcast, talking to you, Apple, a legacy 00:35:58.460 --> 00:36:03.420 player. Or if you've got a 2 .0 player, it can 00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:05.800 take these new tags and would know how to handle 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.260 those. It just seems like the kind of thing that 00:36:09.260 --> 00:36:12.599 they're going to have to put some sort of. effort 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:14.579 into at some point i don't i don't understand 00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:17.000 like they they like their own solution so they're 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.280 probably trying to figure out how do we do this 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:23.380 by only us and we don't have to we don't interact 00:36:23.380 --> 00:36:25.719 with anybody else's stuff they're gonna have 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:28.900 to do it our way or not at all it's like i y 00:36:28.900 --> 00:36:33.400 'all are stupid just do the thing that everybody's 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:37.119 doing yep yep yep but they want to say that they 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.900 came up with it Yeah, no, it's revolutionary. 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.420 No one's ever thought of it before. What we're 00:36:43.420 --> 00:36:47.119 doing is you can actually add art to, sorry, 00:36:47.300 --> 00:36:50.820 they'll call it something else. You can add media 00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:56.880 to your podcast. Right -sized media. You've heard 00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:00.579 of chapters in media. What if you could actually, 00:37:00.820 --> 00:37:05.519 what if you could put a GIF on that chapter? 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:09.579 And you can do that. How you felt. Wouldn't that 00:37:09.579 --> 00:37:11.880 be revolutionary? Wouldn't that be so totally 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:13.940 different than everything else you've ever seen? 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.500 Yep. All right. What if you could pay people 00:37:17.500 --> 00:37:21.059 who were podcasting from the app? Yep. We're 00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:23.519 going to do that. Nobody else does this. Well, 00:37:23.619 --> 00:37:25.739 their biggest thing I think on the money is they 00:37:25.739 --> 00:37:30.260 want their cut. Yeah. They want their 30%. Yeah. 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.860 So it's not in their best interest. No. All right. 00:37:34.900 --> 00:37:43.840 I'm going in for. The dunkle. It's a good one. 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:54.539 It's real. Did you really, like, finish that 00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:58.800 other beer? I did. I'm very impressed. It's gone. 00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:02.179 Just a little bit of foam in the bottom. And 00:38:02.179 --> 00:38:03.860 you're saying it's not on the floor in that. 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.619 closet that you're in now my wife would kill 00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:11.179 me if i did that so well i wanted to kill my 00:38:11.179 --> 00:38:14.300 son when he started peeing in his room oh that's 00:38:14.300 --> 00:38:18.980 never a good thing okay so i'm a nerd and i get 00:38:18.980 --> 00:38:22.500 like all wrapped up in in a game that i'm playing 00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:25.679 or or whatever but like i'm not so much of a 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:27.820 nerd that if i'm i'm if i'm in my room playing 00:38:27.820 --> 00:38:32.440 a game i can't stop playing the game to go use 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:38.130 the restroom Hmm. That's all I'm saying. Okay. 00:38:38.670 --> 00:38:41.510 Okay. Why wouldn't you just whip it out right 00:38:41.510 --> 00:38:46.949 there and pee on your carpet? Yikes. I can tell 00:38:46.949 --> 00:38:48.510 you why. Because you're going to spend the next 00:38:48.510 --> 00:38:53.550 month cleaning your carpet. Yes. Until daddy 00:38:53.550 --> 00:38:56.630 can't smell the pee. Yeah, that's almost as bad 00:38:56.630 --> 00:39:00.559 as having a cat at that point. It's worse. It's 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.300 definitely worse. The cat is an animal. This 00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:07.019 is a potty trained human being. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 00:39:07.099 --> 00:39:08.840 How do you think, how do you think, what do you 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.619 think about the dunkle? The dunkle is good. It's 00:39:11.619 --> 00:39:14.980 good. I would say it's, I need to go back and 00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:18.239 look. That was an early show. It may be that 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:21.880 this is basically that just in a full pint bottle, 00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:25.199 but this is good. Yeah, it's good. So while, 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.880 while we're sharing war stories of our children, 00:39:29.340 --> 00:39:33.440 I don't think I've shared this one with you yet. 00:39:33.619 --> 00:39:37.400 I don't think. Listening. Well, Garrett was in 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:43.519 Europe, got to go basically around the UK. And 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:49.360 when he was in Scotland, he bought a kilt. He 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.940 did? Yeah, not necessarily a bad thing. Like, 00:39:51.980 --> 00:39:55.230 okay, you bought a skirt. We'll talk about that. 00:39:55.429 --> 00:40:00.269 We'll talk about what that means later. Is there 00:40:00.269 --> 00:40:02.849 something you want to tell me? Yeah, we've got 00:40:02.849 --> 00:40:08.530 some explaining to do. But it's the money that 00:40:08.530 --> 00:40:14.469 he paid for the skirt that is like, oh, we got 00:40:14.469 --> 00:40:19.190 a problem. So it would appear that he spent. 00:40:22.349 --> 00:40:26.969 $700. Oh, my gosh. On a kilt that I found online 00:40:26.969 --> 00:40:32.090 for $200. And it's like, dude, what are you doing? 00:40:33.250 --> 00:40:37.829 It's authentic. Yeah, they hand wove it. I don't 00:40:37.829 --> 00:40:40.010 care. I could have got you the same thing for 00:40:40.010 --> 00:40:44.489 $200, man. We got to work on his, what do you 00:40:44.489 --> 00:40:48.230 call it? Not getting took? Yeah, his haggling 00:40:48.230 --> 00:40:53.579 skills. Man. I felt like I got taken one time 00:40:53.579 --> 00:40:56.920 in Israel and I did, but like, even if you can 00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:01.019 talk them down to half of the original price, 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.000 there's, they're still making a ton of money 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.280 on it. You got to like my threshold for being 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:12.599 able to handle somebody calling me cheap and 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:17.119 telling me that they're putting their kids in 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:18.940 the poor house and that they're not going to 00:41:18.940 --> 00:41:21.260 be able to feed their family. Like my threshold 00:41:21.260 --> 00:41:24.860 for that is really low. So I'm not good at haggling. 00:41:24.980 --> 00:41:29.659 Yeah. But like you got to understand at no point 00:41:29.659 --> 00:41:32.519 are they actually going to sell you something 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:36.079 for less than what they can sell you it for. 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.340 Correct. And so if you're ever in a situation, 00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:41.599 I use Israel because they've got a lot of markets 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.420 that are, that are. like this where something 00:41:44.420 --> 00:41:46.840 marked up like super high and they're going to 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:48.840 see if they can get you to buy it for that much. 00:41:48.940 --> 00:41:52.360 And they expect you to come back with, you know, 00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:56.900 less than whatever is on it. Yeah. And they get 00:41:56.900 --> 00:42:02.380 really offended verbally, but somehow you still 00:42:02.380 --> 00:42:04.400 end up walking out of there with this thing that 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:10.840 they are offended to sell you. Yeah. You're supposed 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:15.400 to pay the full price, man. I feel like, I feel 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.900 like it'd be the same in Scotland. You got the 00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:23.119 guy or probably woman who looks like they could 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.820 beat you up and, and they're telling you that, 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.800 that you are ripping them off. Yeah. And still 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:37.019 somehow you're able to rip them off. Yeah. Cause 00:42:37.019 --> 00:42:39.239 they don't have to sell it to, I mean, no, no. 00:42:40.010 --> 00:42:41.769 I wish I could keep that in my mind when they're 00:42:41.769 --> 00:42:44.289 telling me these really dirty, not dirty, like 00:42:44.289 --> 00:42:50.150 mean things. But I can't. I'm terrible at it. 00:42:50.869 --> 00:42:55.889 Oh, I'm just sitting there going, what happens 00:42:55.889 --> 00:42:59.710 when they call you those things and you go, you 00:42:59.710 --> 00:43:04.429 know, sir, you need Jesus. I imagine that doesn't 00:43:04.429 --> 00:43:09.159 go over very well. Not usually. Sieved in the 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:17.159 manner in which it's given. Yep. Yep. Yep. Well, 00:43:17.739 --> 00:43:22.739 anyway. Okay. So my recording says we're up to 00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:25.739 46. I know we had this call going a little before 00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:31.860 that. So I am trying to watch for the end of 00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:40.679 the hour notification here. Yeah. So, um, 40, 00:43:40.739 --> 00:43:44.059 46 minutes is what I'm at. Yeah. I'm at 46, 42, 00:43:44.219 --> 00:43:47.280 but that's the recording we started. Yeah. We 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:48.460 started before. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. 00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.360 I'm, I'm trying to keep an eye out now for, I 00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.780 mean, we probably about, tell us about our new 00:43:53.780 --> 00:44:00.579 or not new, our old, uh, um, oh my gosh, I was 00:44:00.579 --> 00:44:02.219 trying to find the thing and I didn't put it 00:44:02.219 --> 00:44:04.579 in mind. You've, you've got the, um, sound bit 00:44:04.579 --> 00:44:11.519 for the Jason court. Oh, there it is. Extend, 00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:15.519 extend, extend, please. Don't cut me off. Extended. 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:18.019 Yes. Recording in progress. Beautiful. Okay. 00:44:18.099 --> 00:44:22.780 Thank you. Yes. That was, um, that was almost 00:44:22.780 --> 00:44:25.760 like we planned it. Jason. Here we are talking 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.820 about it and then it popped up. Yes. So no, no, 00:44:31.940 --> 00:44:35.760 no boosts. So buying these beers by ourselves. 00:44:36.019 --> 00:44:41.719 Yeah. So. We're just poor podcasters. And when 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.519 you become a podcaster, you kind of take a vow 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:49.260 of poverty. Unless your son is buying $700 kilts. 00:44:49.340 --> 00:44:51.699 Hey, that was his own money. You get a side job. 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.639 That was his money. So, I mean, he shot himself 00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:57.440 in the foot with that one. But it was still the 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:58.480 conversation. That's a different conversation. 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:00.219 Yeah, it was still the conversation of like, 00:45:00.340 --> 00:45:04.039 what in the world were you thinking? No son of 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:05.539 mine is that stupid. Are you kidding me, man? 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.420 Come on, man. You start going all Joe Biden. 00:45:08.500 --> 00:45:13.159 Come on, man. Listen, I don't even like to think 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.420 of the number in my head. Yes. So all that to 00:45:16.420 --> 00:45:20.460 say, we're just poor, lowly podcasters, no money. 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:28.539 We work in ministry. We do. So get the sats going, 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:31.519 and here's the fun little jingle to go with it. 00:45:31.849 --> 00:45:34.269 We just need cash. I know a lot of people want 00:45:34.269 --> 00:45:37.789 to send blankets or water. Just send your cash. 00:45:38.389 --> 00:45:40.909 Just send your cash. I love that clip from those 00:45:40.909 --> 00:45:44.389 two. I believe that was Haiti after the earthquake. 00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:48.650 Yeah, no, for sure. It wasn't New Orleans. No, 00:45:48.750 --> 00:45:52.190 no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do it. They're 00:45:52.190 --> 00:45:56.730 going to go to the boats. Yes, yes, yes, yes. 00:45:56.730 --> 00:45:58.969 So, yeah, so no, no sats for this show, but that's 00:45:58.969 --> 00:46:02.630 okay. That's okay. The courts are in Michigan. 00:46:02.730 --> 00:46:08.789 It's their yearly trip back. It's a migration. 00:46:09.250 --> 00:46:14.289 Yes. Yes. So I gave him the fly or they got to 00:46:14.289 --> 00:46:17.730 travel to Michigan. Yes. Get the cool weather. 00:46:17.869 --> 00:46:22.369 Yes. In the middle of freaking August. Yes. I 00:46:22.369 --> 00:46:26.630 gave him the standard fare. No accepting job 00:46:26.630 --> 00:46:31.480 offers. No filling out job applications. No. 00:46:31.579 --> 00:46:34.719 You got to come back. Yeah. Especially with tomorrow 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.320 being Jacob's last day. You got to come back. 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:50.599 So. Anyway. Yes. Hey, man. Always good to talk 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.659 to you. Yeah, it was good. Good. It's good to 00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:58.230 see this feature held up. It did. It did a great 00:46:58.230 --> 00:47:02.449 job. I'm excited about this for the future. Feeling 00:47:02.449 --> 00:47:05.889 more rock solid about the times that we don't 00:47:05.889 --> 00:47:10.630 have to or that we need to not be in person. 00:47:10.750 --> 00:47:13.449 But always good to see you in person. Yes, absolutely. 00:47:13.449 --> 00:47:16.170 I would rather do that for sure. Yes. Oh, real 00:47:16.170 --> 00:47:18.289 quick. How have things been at the church since 00:47:18.289 --> 00:47:22.489 we made the changes? Good. I feel like everybody's 00:47:22.489 --> 00:47:25.690 in a good spot. I feel like they're moving forward. 00:47:26.909 --> 00:47:31.030 And there's some hiccups for sure. There's some 00:47:31.030 --> 00:47:34.030 vendors that didn't do what they said that they 00:47:34.030 --> 00:47:36.349 were going to do. But we're making it happen. 00:47:36.510 --> 00:47:39.449 We've got some power stuff being worked out right 00:47:39.449 --> 00:47:44.489 now. Well, not right now, but today they were 00:47:44.489 --> 00:47:46.730 up here trying to figure out some power stuff. 00:47:46.909 --> 00:47:49.809 And then they'll come back, I think, next week 00:47:49.809 --> 00:47:54.849 to finish that up. Okay. So, yeah. Did I get 00:47:54.849 --> 00:47:58.710 you the notification that I got the VLANs officially 00:47:58.710 --> 00:48:01.949 all pulled out of Cybersource? Thank you for 00:48:01.949 --> 00:48:04.269 doing that. Yes, that was just a nightmare. We'll 00:48:04.269 --> 00:48:09.730 talk about Unify and this update that we ran 00:48:09.730 --> 00:48:13.929 into problems with maybe next show. Yes. Because 00:48:13.929 --> 00:48:16.590 maybe we'll have a better idea of exactly what 00:48:16.590 --> 00:48:20.630 happened by then. Yeah. Just if you're using 00:48:20.630 --> 00:48:28.969 Unify's... ecosystem, you need to notice what 00:48:28.969 --> 00:48:36.489 security looks like now on the web app. It doesn't 00:48:36.489 --> 00:48:39.710 look different, I don't think, on your phone 00:48:39.710 --> 00:48:43.469 app, but your web app, it does, and it may change 00:48:43.469 --> 00:48:48.769 some things unexpectedly for you that may cause 00:48:48.769 --> 00:48:50.530 a problem. Yeah, I'm hoping they can give us 00:48:50.530 --> 00:48:54.500 some insight on what went sideways there. Yeah. 00:48:56.320 --> 00:49:04.639 Anyway. IT. Yes. All right, brother. Enjoyed 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.300 it, man. Yeah. Good to talk to you. Good to talk 00:49:07.300 --> 00:49:30.880 to you. See you, everybody. See you. Let's see. 00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:40.500 You are Michael... Bolton? Yeah. Is that your 00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:46.679 real name? Yeah. Are you any relation to the 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:50.300 pop singer? No, it's just a coincidence. I'll 00:49:50.300 --> 00:49:53.119 be honest with you. I love his music. I do. I'm 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.960 a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don't know 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:57.599 if it gets any better than when he sings When 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.440 a Man Loves a Woman. But you must really love 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:07.119 his music, huh? Yeah, he's pretty good, I guess. 00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:12.480 You're goddamn right he is. So tell me, what's 00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:22.730 your favorite song of his? I don't know. I guess 00:50:22.730 --> 00:50:26.010 I sort of like them all. So, Ryan, I'm the exact 00:50:26.010 --> 00:50:28.309 same way, but it must be twice as hard for you 00:50:28.309 --> 00:50:30.409 being to have the same name as him. I celebrate 00:50:30.409 --> 00:50:33.809 the guy's entire catalog. Anyway, let's get down 00:50:33.809 --> 00:50:36.389 to business, Michael. You know, you can just 00:50:36.389 --> 00:50:36.829 call me Mike.