Hey, Chris, how's it going? Good. How you doing,
John? I'm making it. Yes. I'm pretty tired. Like,
I'm not you tired. I didn't put down flooring
today or yesterday. Well, just today so far.
I'll finish up tomorrow. Wow. Because I had to
stop a couple of times. You're a beast, dude.
Take Tori to her driving test or class or whatever
it is. How'd that go? Because she's got to do,
I think, five of these. Okay. Part of what we
paid for. So dropped her off at two, went back
and got her at four. In between, did a little
bit of reading for what we're going to discuss
tonight just to make sure I have it straight
in my head. And then, of course, she's like,
can we go to the mall on the way home? Sure.
So. Maybe I can complete the last two partial
rows tonight and then keep going and sometime
tomorrow have it done. That's just impressive.
Well, it's the best time to do it. The boy's
out of the country, so his bedroom is all slammed
in the living room right now. And his floor is
torn up. Yes, but it's starting to come together.
It looks nice. Good. I mean, I would expect nothing
else. Anyway. If you're going to do something,
you usually do it pretty stellar. Well, I'm just
thankful that I grew up with my dad being a carpenter,
so I feel comfortable with tools. There you go.
I will tell you, coming from the other side of
it, the uncomfortable with tools, like having
to figure all that out by yourself, it's pretty
rough. Yeah. And you just spend the whole time
going, I'm making this up, man. I hope it works.
Well, I mean, the... The fun part is you go,
you know, I can save us some money if you let
me go buy these tools. Yes. And that's how you
grow your tool collection. Yeah, I've done that
a couple times without telling her. I was like,
well, you wanted that done, and I needed these
tools to get it done. And it made it cheaper.
I mean, it will for the next time probably, but
it didn't make it cheaper this time. Well, yeah,
I guess it depends on the project. And the tool.
Well. I have a tendency to. Did you buy team
red or team yellow? Yellow. All right. I keep
it a little more affordable. I go team green.
Okay. So, but they work. They get the job done.
Teal green or the other green? Ryobi. Okay, yeah.
Whichever green you want to call that. Yeah,
I mean, I think it's the teal green. The other
one is. We'll go with it. Oh, the other is. No,
they're the blue. Yeah, you're talking. I've
got their minor saw. Hitachi. Hitachi, thank
you. I think now they're Matabo, I think is who
bought them. Really? Yeah. All these companies
all get bought out all the time. Yeah. No, I,
I have a lot of stuff from asking a certain friend
who has all of the yellow tools. Yeah. Like all
of them. Um, so with that direction, I have another
friend who's a, uh, Ryobi guy and he was like,
or Makita guy. And he was like, you did, you
did wrong. It's like, Oh man, now you gotta,
Anyway, I wish I could afford the Milwaukee.
Yeah. I mean, those tools are amazing. My dad
has owned that reciprocating saw since I was
in high school and it still runs and you have
to plug it in the wall. It's not battery, but
it runs like a champ and he's got a, a Hilti
hammer drill from when I was in middle school.
Yeah. Again, still runs. He's had to have it
repaired a couple of times, but the thing just
keeps going. Yeah. I mean, back then it's like
I was talking to a, What were we having repaired?
Oh, we were getting our washer repaired. And
the guy was like, I mean, how long have you had
this? And I was like, well, it was the first
thing that we bought as a married couple. So
17 years, almost 17 years. And he was like, yeah,
they just don't last this long anymore. No. And
I was like, oh, that's not good because I was
about to replace this one. Keep it for as long
as you can. Evidently. As long as you can still
find the parts. Same thing with refrigerators.
Yeah. It's just ridiculous. It's all built to
fail. Okay. Oh, man. What was that? Planned obsolescence.
Planned obsolescence. It's real. Did we talk
about that last time or was there like a... No,
last time we talked about security. No, I watched
Casey Neistat did a... He doesn't do as many.
You know who Casey is, right? I know the name,
yeah. So YouTuber was really famous. I would
still consider him famous in the YouTube world,
of course, but it kind of moved into more of
a godfather situation where he just doesn't make
as many videos. It doesn't seem like he's relying
on it for his major outlet. of uh creativity
anyway maybe he made enough money it doesn't
matter anymore i mean it sure seemed like he
was making a lot but regardless um he he made
a thing about planned obsolescence because he
had he had done a long time ago he had done a
uh video you know calling out apple for planned
obsolescence when it came to the batteries ipod
battery or was it there was definitely one with
the iphone battery okay And they had to admit
that they were using the code of iOS to actually
make the batteries on older devices not last
as long. Yeah, I think this was before that even.
I think it was an iPod. And maybe it wasn't,
but he was saying that the battery died on it
and he just wanted a new battery and they would
not do it. So this was way back, you know. way
back um that he made that um and was interviewed
and everything he did it with his brother and
then was interviewed a lot in probably new york
but maybe maybe more uh national coverage but
anyway he did another thing about it because
he was uh interviewing this guy who makes um
game boys okay now but i mean they're they're
not like the new fancy game boys that you have
like all the games on them and everything they're
game boys they like you need a cartridge for
the back interesting um but they're made like
really well um and the idea and they cost a lot
and the idea would be like for super nerds i
guess as the guy calls himself i don't know it
was something like super nerd um that it was
uh he was saying that this is like a That's the
thing where you hand it down to heirloom piece.
There you go. Family heirloom. I was like, well,
I mean, why not? And if it's designed to last,
why not? Sure. I always remember the cartridges
giving up before the game boys. Yeah. You can
only blow in that thing so many times. True.
Very true. Anyway. Hey, I brought beer, but you
brought beer. I did. So what do you have? The
first one is the Wild Acre Brewing Bock Bock
Imperial Bock, a Texas take on the Doppelbock.
It's 8 .8%. I've never had it before. I mean,
it sounds like there should be a chicken on it.
The Bock Bock? Yes. Bock, Bock, Bock. Bock, Bock,
Bock. It's a Bock, Bock, Bock. It's a Doppelbock.
Well, there's some kind of bird, if that helps.
Yeah. And there's all kinds. Oh, is that a chicken?
I think that is a chicken. It should be a chicken.
There needs to be a chicken. I'm calling that
a chicken. Oh yeah. It's a rubber chicken. Yeah.
Rubber chicken. That works. Rubber chicken. There's
a Ram's head. Apparently there's an atomic bomb
going off. Okay. A cowboy riding an armadillo.
There you go. So I have that. Super fancy. New
one. And then another. another new one. And this
one drew me in by the name. And so if, if you're
going to make this the name of your beer, you
had better deliver. Yeah. This one is called
plutonium two 39. So I'm going to give it a shot.
I mean, I mean, obviously I have enough here.
If you want some of this, you can have some too.
It says coconut. It's a Porter, but it says coconut.
I understand that. But it's, The name. It's the
name. That's what made me go. Oh, sure. Okay.
Okay. That's bold. Bold. To say plutonium 239.
Yeah. And then at the bottom, it says a coconut
porter. Like, so I'm going to find out if they
deliver. I'm interested to know what you think.
I am back in Texas after a long trip, which is
why I'm tired. I went on a family trip. Yeah,
you did. Which. I don't know if you got any other
dads out there. No, I know we've got dads out
there listening. Dads, you can be with me on
this. That's not a vacation. No. As my friend
said yesterday whenever I was talking to him
about it, that's a work trip. I drove 4 ,000
miles. Wow. Because we were pulling the trailer
and my wife was not comfortable. pulling the
trailer so i drove the entire time yeah um and
we did a lot of things okay in new mexico arizona
california camifornia and then back in yeah and
then back in oh my gosh and then back in uh um
arizona before coming home okay but the last
thing we did was uh camp two days and At the
Grand Canyon. Nice. And it was fantastic. Don't
get me wrong. But some of my nieces and nephews
in California gave me some sort of head cold.
So that was a little bit more miserable. Sure.
Not being able to breathe. And, you know, not
sleeping. But it was a good trip. I'm just tired.
Oh, yeah. You need a vacation from your vacation.
Yeah. Too bad I got to go to work. Pay for all
these vacation days. I took time off work to
install a floor. Yeah. You're a better man than
me. I don't know about that. I do. Okay. I'm
going to open this. Did I even say? I've got
Ziegenbach. Ziegenbach, yes. That is a good one.
Because I'm back in Texas and I needed a Texas
beer. I feel like I had a Ziegenbach on the last
show. No, no, no. It was like two or three. Yeah,
it was a couple shows back. Did they give you
a blurb? Oh, yeah. I don't think Ziegenbach puts
anything on the bottle, if I remember correctly.
I don't think so. No, they're very, it's a Texas
twist on a German classic is all they say. And
it's just a beautiful beer. True. So not quite
as well known as Shiner, but if you've never
had Ziegenbach, you need to. It's still good.
Okay, so I'm going to roll with the plutonium
and see if I can read this on the back because
I'm getting the old man eyes. It says, pairs
well with nuts, chocolate, and steak. Those are
all good things. I mean, if I had to pick some
stuff. I mean, that's not bad. Not bad. To pair
well with. Some good choices. So it says, if
you like coconut and chocolate, this beer is
for you. Yeah, I don't like coconut. No, I like
coconut. It's lighter on the palate than you
might think. Which means it is, okay, man, bad
high day. If the weather is warm and the food
is rich. Beer, not bear. That says beer. There
you go. As the beer breathes, the freshly roasted
coconut begins to shine. I said that last time,
right? About every time I... Type beer and gear
type. Yep. Bear. Bear and gear. I would also
say that these guys should probably choose a
different font. Yeah. So. All right. Here we
go. It's a very black can. Yes, it is. With a
tiny white font. Tiny white font. All right.
You don't have your mug. No, no. I have cans
tonight. Cheers. Cheers. I know what I think
about this. Smells good. I'm interested. Actually,
that's not bad. It's got a balkish type color,
very similar to your Ziegenbach. I really don't
taste coconut. Okay. I think I like that. Maybe
I'll try it. It's brewed by the Manhattan Project
Beer Company, Dallas, Texas. We did have others
of theirs, right? Potentially. That name seems
familiar. No, I think so. The Manhattan Project,
we had two of theirs, one of the other shows.
Golly. I should know our shows better than I
do. Well, I was thinking about that when I was
selecting these. I keep saying that we need to
build a site that kind of talks about all the
beers and gives them a little bit of our review,
but I just never get around to it. And it would
also help when I'm trying to find, A new beer.
To be able to go, oh, no, actually, we didn't
have that one already. Yeah, this seems like
something that should be pretty easy for us to
handle. Pretzels. I know some IT guys. Pretzels.
So we talked about security last time. We did.
We're going to talk a little bit more about security
this time. Yeah. Last time almost turned into
my political treaties on not trusting the government.
Well. I think we'll avoid that this time. Yeah.
I mean, because. Yep. So. I think I'd like to
start with the Cloudflare. Cloudflare. Pretzel
in the mouth. The outage that they had on back
on June 12th, 2025 of this year. No doubt that
pretty much everybody out there felt it in some
way. Because it seems like almost everybody uses
Cloudflare in some way these days. Yeah, they
said the services, hold on. I mean, it pretty
much talked out everything they do. Right, yeah.
But in saying all of the things they were talking
about, everything that they do, basically. And
I was like, whoa. Workers KV, Warp, Access, Gateway,
Images, Stream, Workers AI, Turnstile, and Challenges,
Autorag, Zeres, and parts of the Cloudflare dashboard.
Yeah, Images, Stream, Real -Time, Workers AI,
Pages and Workers Assets, Durable Objects. I
mean, it knocked out the CDN that they do. I
mean, it was across the board, just, they're
gone. And then when you look into the actual
root cause, it's kind of surprising. But what
I haven't been able to find is the actual company
who caused them to have the problem. Yeah. Because
when you look into it. Because they mentioned
that. They're like, this wasn't us, but we should
be more careful who we depend on. Correct. And
I was like, ooh, shots fired. You know who you
are. Yeah. So everybody just says a third -party
storage company. Is that Amazon? Right. Is that
Microsoft? I mean. Is that some other vendor
out there that I'm not aware of? But yeah, so
they had disk issues. Which caused cascading
effects through all their service, which then
cascaded out until everybody else who uses it,
you couldn't get the sites. I mean, it was crazy.
I mean, unfortunately, we've built these systems
that everybody is so dependent upon. And when
they have a problem, it hits everything. So I
hear... John C. Dvorak in my head, and it's not
quite a one -for -one translation, but he usually
gripes about microservices architecture. And
so you have this multiple -layer stack, and all
it takes is for one layer to say, I'm out, and
the whole stack collapses. The system just can't
handle that or recover from it. And so that's
literally what happened here. They had their
only... Storage provider have an issue. So, of
course, everything is gone. Now, what they are
saying is they're going to work on diversifying
their storage so that if one goes, they can essentially
try to recover. I mean, are they talking about...
I mean, I was going to say raid, but not raid.
But, like, are they talking about... So diversifying
in terms of like some of their stuff will go
down and not all of their stuff. Are they talking
about like if they lose one or are they talking
about doing some sort of like redundancy where
there's like, oh, no, we switch to that. The
way that I interpreted what they said is they're
actually going to bring in other additional storage
providers. Now, how they plan on distributing
their data across those for redundancy, they
don't really go into a lot of detail. Yeah, probably
on purpose. Oh, I'm sure. But so it would seem
like once they get this implemented, because
it's not, last I checked, I don't think they're
done yet. But the whole idea would be, okay,
if this particular vendor goes down again, number
one, they're probably never going to use them
again. But the number two on that is they could
roll over to whoever the additional providers
are. So I'm going to assume that they have to
have all their data. across all of these in order
to be able to handle that kind of an outage.
Yeah, I mean, that's... There is dependent on
themselves as everybody else is. So I do think
it would make more sense for there to be just
straight redundancy in diversified locations.
I don't know. That's why they pay them big bucks,
and I'm just sitting here doing this podcast
with my beer. There you go. And I think the other
thing that was surprising to me is all these
folks, they have their own data centers. Yeah.
So I would have expected them to own their own
storage. Apparently, that's not correct. So they
must keep just the minimum that they need in
whatever. or white boxes that they're utilizing
in the data center, and then they're depending
on some other data center somewhere to give them
the storage that they need. So I found that to
be intriguing. And so now I'm sitting here going,
okay, so does Microsoft own their own storage?
Does Amazon own their own storage? Is this unique
to Cloudflare? Well, actually, I know it's not
because this will dovetail into something that
happened on the same day. But it was intriguing
to understand that these guys don't own their
own storage to some capacity. Yeah. I mean, yeah.
I think that, like you said, they do, just not
the level of storage that's necessary for. And
I think that that has a lot to probably do with.
That being more complicated than everybody gives
it credit for. Perhaps. Server farms are not
easy things. No, not at all. But I would figure
if you're building out these data centers, you're
also building out the storage inside of it, but
apparently not. So what also happened on that
same day, but kind of went mostly unreported
and where I get my information from was that.
Google cloud had an outage because they use the
same third party vendor, whoever it is. So on
that day when this happened and we, for us, it
first presented as a Spotify outage. Yeah. And
then shortly thereafter it was like, Oh no, that
actually there's a cloud flare outage. Okay.
So that's probably why Spotify is down because
they probably leverage cloud flare. And to some
degree that's probably true. But it seems like
the bigger problem for Spotify on that day is
they use Google Cloud Compute. And so when Google
had the problem, they had the problem. And there
may or may not have been some extra layer there
with them potentially leveraging Cloudflare as
well. But that was an outage that kind of went
unannounced, kind of unnoticed. So again, Google,
I would imagine that Google would have owned
all their own storage, but apparently they don't.
No. No, they don't. To me, that was kind of telling.
I mean, I think you're right. I think it's a
surprising thing, but I don't think that it's
unreasonable to expect people to focus on what
they're actually good at. Sure. Something tells
me it is a difficult thing to do, making sure
that all those servers are going and functioning
properly and doing what they're supposed to do
and always connected and always running, all
of that. But it does seem like the kind of thing
that's going to be kind of lowest bidder. Somebody
can do a bunch of that and then not have to hit
your... What do you call it? Capital line? Oh,
yeah. The bottom line. Yeah. I got a little coconut
that time. It wasn't bad. Gross. Stop it. I probably
won't. Stop trying to make it okay. No, no, no.
I won't go out of my way to probably buy it again.
But, I mean, it's not bad. I mean, it's better
than the porter that we had last time for founders.
Oh. I didn't remember the porter's founder being.
Being that way, but the breakfast out is amazing.
Breakfast out was amazing. Yes. So good. I mean,
I'll finish off this six pack probably by the
end of the show. Well, no. No, I need to drive.
End of the weekend. End of the weekend. End of
the weekend, yes. You're definitely going to
need one after you finish tomorrow. Goodness.
I'll go into that and into the, the bach bach,
the chicken, the chicken beer, the chicken beer,
man. Um, I, yeah, I don't know. That's a very
funny name for a beer. Yeah. Yeah. So you're
kind of taller cans too. So, so yeah. So this
cloud flare, I mean, that was, that was, that
was crazy. I mean, I'm, we were sitting at work
and, like i said started with uh spotify and
then it just kind of cascaded through other cloud
systems that we use and it's just like oh my
goodness and it uh it hit uh eight by eight our
phone system and of course they're all like hey
what are we gonna do and i'm like there's nothing
we can do yeah we are we're in the cloud we're
dependent upon these things and when they go
belly up so do we we got nothing this is one
of those like oh Everybody understands us when
it comes to electricity. And they're like, okay.
Except, I will tell you, there are some people
that whenever the electricity goes out, they
do like to, at our location here, they do like
to ask me if the internet is still working. In
which case, I'm going to tell you. For the moment.
I mean, we've probably got 20 minutes. Yeah.
But that's it. And only because we're running
these. Battery backups. Get off. It's just funny
that like, well, what I was saying is when people
know that the electricity has gone out, they
don't expect the air conditioning to work. True.
I do still walk into rooms and try to flip on
the lights. Yes. It's just a habit. Yes. Force
of habit. But it is very much like one of those
things where now you see them like. Everybody
doesn't understand the dependencies that are
happening across different areas in order to
make your phone work. You're just like, well,
I used to pick it up and hear the party line.
Very true. Well, you know, you could tell them
and go, well, if you let me buy an inverter generator.
Yeah, right. I could at least keep the student
building online. Yeah. And then you can have
all the internet you want. I have mentioned it
for when other things happen in that building
that are going to change things. But that's all
I do is mention things now. I was looking at
the notable Cloudflare outages that have happened
over the past few years. They had one in 2022
and one in 2023. And then one of those I think
was a hack. Yeah. The 2022 was a configuration
change. 23 was a network -wide issue caused by
a brief outage affecting many websites and businesses.
I don't know if that was a hack or not. And then
there was one in 2024. And then three. So far
in 2025. February, June, and July. Yes. So in
2023, they were compromised, but it had more
to do with the breach in Okta than it had to
do with Cloudflare. So again, all of these interdependencies,
you leverage Okta, they get hacked. Okay, where
else can that person go? Anyone that's using
single sign -on with Okta? Yeah. And again, if
they get access to the admin side of Okta, game
over. And we would have the same thing at Pine
Cove if somebody was to, and it has happened,
but it was a very limited scope. But if somebody
compromised JumpCloud, they could come after
anybody within it. Now, the one that they had,
I think was a year or so ago. But they were going
after NGOs. Really? And they never quite said
who it was. So I would assume going after NGOs,
it's got to be a state actor. And thinking of
what's been going on recently. I mean, there's
a few that are popping in my head. I go to Russia.
Yeah. Because they kicked all the NGOs out. And
then potentially China as well. But it was intriguing
that they specifically went to these. It's always
potentially China. They do some shady stuff.
Well, I'm saying. I think there was the one that
we're going to talk about here in a second with
another company. Everybody was eyeballing China
pretty hard for that. Yeah, they were. Still
are. I guess we can just jump over there. So
Microsoft got hacked. Yeah, they did. This was
in July, though, right? Yeah, this one just happened.
So still pretty fresh. Not that the Cloudflare
we just talked about wasn't too far back. Well,
there was another Cloudflare. We'll talk about
that later, too. There was another Cloudflare
that happened later as well. But this Microsoft
one. It's still ongoing. That's what makes this
one intriguing. Still trying to figure out the
extent. Correct. So what this gets into is using
SharePoint. which a ton of corporations use.
But what's so far unique to this is it doesn't
impact cloud. Too many things. SharePoint online,
it's local running it on your own gear is where
this is being impacted. So that's kind of intriguing.
Yeah, so if you were using SharePoint as the
SharePoint server. in like Microsoft, if you
were using Microsoft SharePoint. Yeah, 365. 365,
you're fined. Currently. Currently. Oh, gosh.
But if you were running an instance of SharePoint
on a server locally, there were a lot of those
that got hit. Yes. They said 100. So far. And
then it turned into, I mean, I just kept reading
the article, and I was like, oh, 100, 100, 100.
And then it was like, well, conservatively, we
think 9 ,000. And I was like, what? I hadn't
read that number yet. So a pool of potential
targets remains vast, according to data from
Shodan. This is from Reuters. Reuters. Reuters.
Reuters, yeah. According to the data from Shodan,
a search engine that helps to identify internet
-linked equipment, over 8 ,000 servers online
could theoretically have been compromised by
hackers. Shadow Server put the number a little
more than 9 ,000 while cautioning that that figure
was a minimum. So what they were saying is when
they noticed a problem and it was, what's that
guy's name? Vysha Bernard? Chief hacker at iSecurity
in the Netherlands or a Netherlands -based cybersecurity
firm. And he was either using, he was doing a
scan carried out with the Shadow Server Foundation,
which you just got to love. Shadow Server, I
mean. Yeah. Good name. Way to domain that bad
boy. Yeah. Golly. Anyway. Jealous. But they were
saying that when they noticed that it was 100,
they were seeing traffic on around 100 different
companies, different organizations. Can't even
call them companies. Sorry. Organizations. Because
some of them were definitely government. Everybody
was notified that they could tell. It seemed
to be mostly affecting United States and Germany.
But again, this was the first time that this
Microsoft weakness, weak spot, whatever you call
it, security. whole vulnerability vulnerability
was was used so they don't know they don't know
how many actually got hit they just know how
many like that they saw this activity on yeah
and so that's why they're saying eight thousand
nine thousand conservatively like the that's
the number of instances of yeah a conservative
number for the number of instances of SharePoint
that were running not at Microsoft. Yeah. And
so what's also was intriguing in this is this
vulnerability was identified at a hacking event.
Really? Yes. That's what they were doing. Yes.
And so they know, obviously they, it was a trend
micro. Okay. And the hacker who did it was given
a hundred thousand dollars. And of course, they
then go, hey, Microsoft, here's this. You need
to go fix it. And so Microsoft pushed the fix.
But it didn't fix it. It didn't fix it or people
didn't run the... Oh, no, it didn't fix it. Oh,
that sucks. Yeah. And then on top of that, they
were then leveraging other known vulnerabilities,
which probably comes down to people not doing
proper patching. Yeah. Because there's... I'm
seeing four different ones here. And this one
that's being leveraged, I forget the name of
the company that has the new scale, but basically
it goes from zero to 10. And this particular
issue was rated a 9 .8. I mean, that's like...
That's serious. The house is on fire. Drop everything.
You need to go fix this now. See, I got confused
because in my reading or whatever, I was seeing
that Microsoft was saying, like, there's a fix.
You need to run your updates, basically. But
you're saying that the initial fix was not a
fix. No, no, no. Oh, gosh. No, because Microsoft
themselves said there is a zero -day vulnerability.
Here's the patch. Install this. And people did,
but unfortunately, it still didn't completely
fix the fix. So depending on how people were
running SharePoint, somebody either had to be
inside the network already, which once they're
inside, it doesn't matter what you've got. It's
game over. But SharePoint, it's not uncommon
as well for it to be accessible from the outside
world. Because you're trying to talk to different
things. Correct. And you need access to the company
data. So a hacker who's worth his salt is going
to be able to find that opening in the firewall
and be able to pull some back and go, oh, SharePoint.
And no, these are the current vulnerabilities.
Let's see how up -to -date they are. But again,
once they got in, then they were able to leverage
three other vulnerabilities. Now, they're all
from this year. Because they're CVE -2025. So
they're all recent things that have been discovered.
But it's just crazy to think that I'm going to
leverage the one, and then now I get to leverage
all these others and run crazy. And once they're
in, they're pushing malware. Well, they're trying
to open up. all kinds of vulnerabilities into
your system. Correct. Yeah. That they can then
get back into. Yeah. Because now they're not
just in one, like they're in the whole thing.
Correct. And so they were able to leverage this
to obviously push ransomware, but then they were
able to pivot into other systems as you were
referring to and just spread their way through
these internal networks. And so it turned into
way more than just. Our SharePoint got compromised.
It's company -wide. See, what they should be
doing is trying to take just fractions of a penny
off of every... Hello, Superman 3. Hackers. And
hackers. And hackers. It eats itself. And then
it's gone. Yes. And all the tankers. Never mind.
Hack the planet. Hack the planet, yes. The visuals
in that show were crazy. Oh, my gosh. As ridiculous
as some of it was, it was not nearly as bad as,
I think there was a CSI or NCIS, one of those.
It was NCIS. Somebody was getting hacked, and
two people were on a single keyboard. What? Yeah.
Like that makes it better. Like sharing a piano.
Yeah. It was, it was, it was a little bit like,
what have you, y 'all don't know. That's not
how this works. Who's y 'all's consultant. Yeah.
Don't do that. Anyway, it was, I don't watch
the show, but somebody showed me a clip from
it. Cause I was, Oh man, that was pretty great.
Wow. So you're going to the bach bach? Mm -hmm.
Cheers. Cheers again. Do they give me... Definitely
on my second Zigen here. There's the ingredients.
8 .8 ABV. Nope. They just say, finally, a Texas
-sized bach. One can, two bachs. What? That's
what it says. One can, two bachs. Okay, well...
Fort Worth. Fort Worth. 8 .8. That's why there's
a cowboy riding on Armadillo. Yeah, there is.
Very, very Fort Worth, Texas. I mean, there's
all kinds of stuff on here. Choo -choo train.
So this is Wild Acre? Wild Acre, yeah. Wild Acre
Brewing. I cannot overstate how much I'm enjoying
my Zegans over here. Zegan is good. It feels
very much like a... Smells like a Bach. Heat
beer. It's too hot outside, so I'm drinking this
beer. I would think that would be too dark of
a beer for you on a hot day. Oh, no. It's still
refreshing. All right. Give us the whatever you
call it. Imperial Bach. It said it was a double
Bach. Tastes like a Bach. I don't know what else
to say. Okay. I mean. Makes me think of Ziegen.
Makes me think of Shiner. Okay. Yeah, it just
tastes like a bog. So Wild Acre Brewing is in
Fort Worth. According to the can. Fort Worth,
Texas. And then it also says Maine and Delaware.
Hmm. Oh, no. Ha, ha, ha. I can't read. Fort Worth,
Texas made. But the abbreviations. Oh, my God.
Yeah, pay attention, idiot. Well, there you go.
And then, of course, right next to it is Texas
with the TX on it. I mean, I don't know what
else to say. It's a very Texas can. It tastes
like a Bach. Mm -hmm. How dark is it? Can't tell
in the can. Well, you can see a little bit on
the. rim there i mean it just looks like a normal
looks like a bach brown golden brown brown yeah
maybe a little bit darker brown yeah it's a bach
well there you go so way to go bach bach yeah
bach bach yeah so the but no coconut so no no
coconut and just a couple of swigs where i actually
got the coconut but yeah so what's intriguing
with the microsoft hit is that it's still ongoing
yeah they're they're still uncovering yeah so
all these all these systems i'm sure they're
trying to put as many patches on as they can
and i would assume this instruction is going
to change but i was watching a video on youtube
about it and they were saying that the government
was telling various uh other parts of the government
and third parties yeah if you don't have this
patch installed by i think it was Like August
10th? We're not touching you. You're getting
disconnected. Yeah. And I'm just kind of like,
I don't think I would even give them that long.
No. I would give them 48 hours. You need to have
this in. Well, I don't. I mean, some of it, it
feels like it should be even faster than that.
Sure. The idea that there's this kind of vulnerability
and it's been leveraged and they know that there's
already a problem. Stop it. Correct. You don't
give the gangrene 48 hours to see if it spreads
to the arm. No. Like just cut off the finger
or whatever it is. Cut it out. Oh, nice. There
you go. There's your reference. Took me back.
I mean, y 'all not being in the room is really
sad for you because, I mean, it was full house,
full hand gestures. Is that Dave Coulier? Yeah,
absolutely. I seem to feel like he passed away
recently. You know who did pass away recently?
There was one today. Hulk Hogan. Yeah, and then
a couple of days ago it was Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah.
It's not a good day for us. No. I did see a video
earlier today of a guy who actually gave Ozzy
Osbourne a Bible within the last six months to
a year. Yeah. Because he had previously met him
and he said, I'd love to read the Bible, but
I can't understand the dadgum thing because it's
in Old English. So this guy gave him a new version.
He had his name embossed on the whole thing and
gave it to him at the next Comic -Con type event
that he saw him at. Oh my gosh. And so he catches
them again in a couple of weeks. Yeah. And runs
into him again and like, oh, you can't believe
the impact you've had on dad. And they're like,
come up to the hotel room after and they're in
the elevator and Ozzy's like, whoa, I can't go
up without my Bible. And they're like, what?
And there's like all these people because he's
at like some horror convention. Yeah. And these
people are like, why is Ozzy talking about a
Bible? Excuse me. The Prince of Darkness is asking
for his Bible. Yeah. Could somebody get the Prince
of Darkness his Bible? Yeah. So he made them
wait while they went back in and got his Bible
to bring it up to his hotel room. Yeah. So I
would have never picked Ozzy for a guy who. Was
at least open to the gospel. Apparently he was.
I mean, he's British, and he's always been Anglican
because he's British. And now Anglican is a lot
like, no, I am not trying to defraud our Anglican
brothers. It's a lot like being Baptist in the
South. Sure. It's a lot like being. culturally
jewish okay in england anglican means you're
english yeah that you have a long line of english
ancestors is is what it feels like so the you
know the idea that i heard a long long time ago
that ozzy osbourne was a member of the anglican
church didn't really surprise me um but you know
when you actually listen to the like war pig
is not about Anything that I feel like the church
should be worried about, you know, in terms of
what he's actually going after, it seemed like
in his lyrics. So, I mean, I was, and he just,
anybody who watched the Osbournes. You got to
see the humanity of this guy. That was awesome.
And I've always got a soft spot in my heart for
Parkinson's victims. My grandfather had Parkinson's
victims. That makes it sound like it's not a
disease. Patients, Parkinson's patients. My grandfather
had Parkinson's. It's hard to watch. And you
just listen to him talk and you don't expect
that to be the voice that's making the voice
that you hear in Black Sabbath. Anyway, all that
to say, that was a tough one. And then today,
Hulk Hogan, my wife sent me a text. I was like,
I think she sent it to me because my son is actually
a little bit obsessed with Hulkamaniac. Yeah,
he's Hulkamaniac. What are you going to do, brother,
when Hulkamania comes down on you? On you. Oh,
my gosh. But that was one of the ones, like,
when I was Cade's age, when I was my son's age,
like, I was. Him and Andre the Giant. Oh, my
gosh. I had the two little rubber wrestling.
Yes. I didn't have the ring. I wanted the ring.
Ultimate Warrior. In that same time frame, yeah.
A lot of Randy the Macho Man. Randy Savage Macho
Man. Ric Flair. Yes. The Undertaker was always
a favorite. Yes. I played the, you know, whatever
the wrestling Nintendo game was. See, I would
have thought growing up the son of a pastor,
that would have been like. Oh, it was. I definitely
didn't do this at home. Okay. Okay. This was
not widely. Not a family sanctioned event. No.
Okay. And the two little wrestling. Figures.
Figures that I had were not purchased by my family.
I'll put it that way. Okay. So. Okay. But I had
Andre the Giant and Hulk. And Hulk Hogan apparently
was a recent convert to Christianity, I hear.
I mean, that's what it said. Him and his blonde
family. Yes. So, I mean, I hope that's true.
That's always the hope that we all have inside
of that. But, again, you know. the persona with
both of these guys, the persona, you know, larger
than life and just irreverent as can be because
of what it requires to be at the top of that
game. And then you see them as actual human beings
later on in life. And you're like, Oh yeah, I
think probably could have sat down and had a
beer with either one of these guys. Yeah. And
then just fine. In terms of having something
to connect on. Yeah. Anyway. I did see a video
a long time ago of a little kid coming up to
Hulk and doing the whole, like, the whole, whole
spiel. And it was just amazing. I'm sure he got
a kick out of it. It had to. Like, he looked
like he did. I mean, he reciprocated. So it was
awesome. but this little dude and i don't know
if that's also because i feel like i guess with
both of those guys you know they were more in
my timeline and then to see younger generations
interact with them is is kind of a funny thing
especially since they're supposed to be so scary
correct so yeah i never would have pictured ozzy
as potentially having a relationship with Jesus,
but perhaps he did. Perhaps he did. He sure seemed
to love his family. Absolutely. And that's a
beautiful thing. Absolutely, yes. That, again,
is one of those. That's what I think of whenever
I think of C .S. Lewis talking about there being
desires in us that are beyond. What this world
can provide. Yeah. Yeah, that was surprising
to hear about Hulk Hogan. Sounded like it was
pretty sudden. Yeah. Sad day. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. I hate to end this on a downer like that.
Well, let's go to the... Cloud Flare 1 .1 .1
.1. Yeah, Cloud Flare 1 .1 .1 .1. On July 14th.
July 14th, folks, 2025. Not that it's uplifting
to talk about an outage, but it's better than
the bummer of somebody dying. A complex routing
incident resulted in the unavailability. Of Cloudflare's
public DNS resolver for about an hour. Let me
translate that for you. We screwed up. All right.
Who plugged in the loop? Yeah. I'm taking back
a few years now to when the entire IT department
followed Chris Kincaid to one building on our
property in the middle of the summer. Yeah. It's
hot. We're all sweating. We did some poor man
sleuthing that day. And we just walked around
this building. Until we found it. Plugging and
unplugging cables. It was crazy because we had
no way to kind of detect it. No. So I was like,
okay, so. I mean, this is over a decade ago.
Yeah. So we pulled the plug on the site -to -site
T1. Yeah. Which was the Ranch Timbers Bluffs
and Shores. Right. It didn't stop. It was like,
okay, so we can eliminate those properties. They're
fine. Pull the towers. Nope. It's in the woods.
It's got to be the woods because you pull the
woods and you're like, boom, it's immediately
gone. It's like, all right, it's definitely at
the woods. And we could have, like, honestly,
though, it was at the woods. It was at the woods.
Everybody knew it was at the woods. So get to
the woods and you start disconnecting individual
buildings until it's like. Oh, it's in the media.
It's at the Mr. T. Of course it's in the media
department. And then you're running around the
Mr. T trying to find it. And I don't remember
who found it. It wasn't me. But somebody found
where a singular network cable, both ends were
plugged into the same switch. And this is before
we had the ability to have switches that could
eliminate these problems. Yeah, these were. Very
dumb switches. Yeah, they were. And it was just
repeating the fire out of whatever. Oh, man,
the bridge loop was, oh. It was, there was, yes.
The force was strong in that bridge loop. Like,
okay, all the phones are down. What happened?
Okay, now we can't do anything. What's going
on? Mm -hmm. And as soon as you unplug one end,
boom. Everything's fine. It was an immediate
change. Yeah. And I was just like, guys, let's
not do that again. If you just see a random cable
and one end is unplugged. Plug it in. Don't plug
it in. You don't know. If you don't know what
you're doing, don't act like you know what you're
doing. Correct. Oof. Yeah, so this one was very
much they screwed up. Yeah. I don't know. This
was caused by an internal configuration error
and not. A BGP hijack. Yeah. And they reference
Anycast, which is intriguing because I tend to
link Anycast with IPv6. Okay. Not so much IPv4.
So I found that intriguing. Mm -hmm. And I'm
not surprised that they would be trying to leverage
IPv6 because eventually they'll need to get there.
Yeah. So, yeah, somebody didn't test their...
Config changes well. Yeah, I will tell you, we
had a similar, not a similar, because it's not
nearly as big, but the same type of IPv6. So
Wi -Fi 6, I think even though we're at Wi -Fi
7, is still not used by a lot of different people.
Yep. And so Wi -Fi. Six has some security options
that if you're not careful with the way you do
your configurations on your network can cause
some issues with older devices. Yep. I think
that's what happened to us that one day that
I got in trouble for. certain Wi -Fi devices
not connecting when they should have. So were
you doing stuff with WPA3? I didn't mean to.
Okay. Okay. But in trying to fix the endpoint
issue we were having with that one AP, I think
that I caused a problem. Oh, yeah. So. Okay.
Just not letting too much out of the bag there,
but. I know for sure it can be kind of a tricky
thing in trying to understand some of the new
configuration that's necessary. What's great
about 6 and 7 is this ability to do higher -end
security, but it doesn't work with any of the
older devices. No. So we've got to wait. Yeah,
you got to let all of it. Well, yeah, I guess
what you've got is you could make sure that all
of your church -owned devices can support it.
Yeah, they can. And then you can move staff.
Yeah. But then you'd have to leave gas backwards.
Yeah. Because you can't guarantee that everybody
coming to the church on a Wednesday or a Sunday.
Remember, we didn't get to spend all of the money
that we had asked for. No. So there's a lot of
devices that aren't. capable of doing that. Two
consecutive budgets, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, I mean, that happens. Two and a half. Two
and a half. And I'm supposed to have my new budget
ready. Oh, we need to talk about that when we
get off the show. Okay. I need to have that in
the next six days. Okay. Okay. Now, I will say.
Just talking a little business here on the podcast.
Yeah. Since, and I hate to say this as a Microsoft
guy. Yeah. But since we stopped leveraging Windows
servers for DNS, it seems to have fixed some
of the issues, which is intriguing. I want to
understand why. Well, sure. Because DNS should
just simply be DNS. Right. And I also understand
that a ton of problems on a network generally
point to DNS. Right. So I would love to know.
Why dropping Windows DNS and using the internal
DNS of the unified gear seems to have fixed the
problem with that U7 access point. Yeah, that
makes sense. All right. Sounds like we have something
to talk about when we wrap up. We don't have
a boost. No, there's no boost. Jason, I mean,
I've been on vacation. Where have you been? We
praised you on the previous episode. Especially
since you said such nice things. Yes. Holy cow.
Now we have to chastise you again. And you looked
in the right place this time. I did. So it's
not our fault. No. We didn't overlook it. Anyway.
Should probably give my current boss a hard time,
too, because I think he still listens. Listen,
Michael. Figure out how SATs work. Yes. Let me
tell you what app to use. Yeah, y 'all need to
be using Podcast 2 .0. 2 .0. Fountain's a good
one. Crosses iOS and Android. Yeah, it is. Fountain
.fm? Mm -hmm. Castamatic is a good one again.
If you're on iOS. What was the other one that
we did or that I was looking at? I don't think
it was. This was when we were trying to figure
out the live stuff that I was looking at all
these other ones. On the Android side, I like
Podcast Addict. Podcast Addict. That's the one
that you were talking about. Yeah. And that's
when I found out that it was Android. Android
only. Yeah, of course. I have an Android phone.
And thanks for that. Podcast Guru is another
good one if you have Android. Okay. Technically,
that live stream is successful in what I did.
But your app has to support .m3u. Oh, my gosh.
And not be looking for .m3u8, which also translates
to HLS. which is more video driven, but we just
want the audio side. So I've got to figure out
the HLS piece to see, can I run something internally
or would it require something in the cloud? Yeah,
that's interesting. So, but it was a six, it
was success. I was able to listen to myself in
a, about a 10 second delay on my phone, which
was amazing. So set up that ice cast server was
using, but with two Ts to talk to ice cast and
then it going out. So that, that was, that was
cool to be able to just throw that off on an
old Dell PC that I had and had it running on
windows, had it running on Linux as well. And
it was like, this is amazing. But unfortunately
ice cast doesn't run what these apps are mostly
looking for. Really? Because they all want the
M3U8. Because apparently M3U is more of a playlist
where the M3U8 is that HLS stream. Yeah, that's
definitely better for life. So once I get the
flooring done, since my wife is out of town,
I want to try to figure out the M3U8 HLS option.
I don't know how far I'll get into it. Oh, the
chips. Members mark, baby. Spared no expense.
Spared all the expense. Yeah, and if you've been
hearing me crunch on the pretzels, they are great
value, but they're pretty good to me. Mini pretzel
twists. Sometimes you got to go budget to get
the stuff that you actually want. To get the
good beer? To get the good beer. Yeah. Oh, my
gosh. Alright, thanks for hanging out. Yeah,
I enjoyed it. See you, everybody. When I first
started college, when I went running, after five
minutes I started feeling a burning in my chest.
And it was just me sucking in soot and smog.
The smog was so bad, it was like you might die.