Yeah, we got it. Technical issues. Don't worry.
We're professionals. We're experts. We can do
anything. Yeah. I am a professional. I get paid
to do this stuff. Yes. Not by this show. Well,
sort of. Sort of. Hey, Jason. Yeah, me and Culpa
coming later. We need to apologize for something.
Yeah. Sorry. Anyway. Hey, I bought the beer today.
Yes, you did. because I'm getting outpaced here
by Chris on bringing the beer. So one of our
favorites is to go by one of our local places
and grab a six -pack of things that are not at
all related to each other. So we have a Sam Adams
Boston Lager, because, you know, why not? A Ziegenbach.
Okay. Always good. A Shiner. Also good. Staple
of the show. And then Chris said to get him something
dark. Yes. So I've got a Modelo Negro, a Shiner
1909, which I don't actually think is dark, but
it had dark, whatever you call it. And then in
case everything else went poorly. Oh, there you
go. A Guinness Extra Stout because I know that
he loves that. You cannot go wrong with a Guinness.
So help yourself, my friend. To whichever one
of these treasures you want to start with and
not end with. Should probably save the extra
stout for the end. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we've
had Shiner on the show before. We've had Modelo
on the show before and obviously Guinness. So
I guess I will try the 1909. I've never had it.
Okay. Well, if it's too. But let's see. If it's
too light, then just pass it over this way and
I'll suffer the consequences. Do you see the
opener? Heritage Lager. I've got one. I don't
know what happened to the... Some of the Christians
have been in here again, taking out our bottle
openers. You know how those Christians can be.
Let's see. Yeah, I'm going to wait until you
pour that to know whether or not it's... Well,
I'm trying to pull up a picture real quick. Oh,
there you go. To see if I want to go this route
or not. Just... Because it does say lager, which
is not always dark. Not typically dark. Yeah,
I think I'm going to pass. Okay, I'll take the
1909. You're going to have the 1909. I will take
the Ziegenbach. The Ziegenbach. Okay. I frosted
my mug. Yes, you did. Just throwing it out there.
Oh, yeah, no, that's pretty light. A little light
in the loafers. Don't let the dark bottle and
the dark branding fool you. No. Okay, well, I'm
sure it's going to be great for me because I
really like Shiner, and they haven't. Done me
wrong yet. That looks nice and brown. Which one
did you do? The Ziegen? Ziegenbach. Ziegenbach.
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. That's definitely
a brown. Yeah. It's brown. Kind of like a Newcastle.
Kind of like a Newcastle. Hey, cheers. Cheers.
We're going to see what you think. Oh, yeah.
That's a mower beer. Yeah. Okay. So 1909, go
mow your lawn and drink this beer. I like it.
I think it tastes great, but it is definitely
a... I'm too much of a snob. I admit it. It's
a summer beer. Okay, so I'm going to read this.
Our founding year since 1909, the expert brewers
in Shiner, Texas, have been crafting exceptional
beers inspired by our German and Czech founders.
To honor their legacy, we've brewed this heritage
lager using only the same simple ingredients
they used in 1909. heritage two row barley. I
don't know what that means is paired with noble
hops. Hey, noble, noble. What's up for a delightfully
flavorful and perfectly balanced lager with a
smooth, refreshing finish, a fitting tribute
to over a century of brewing tradition. I can
vouch for the smooth, refreshing finish. It's
got that. Okay. Up on the back end. What do you
got? I don't have a blurb. I chose the wrong
bottle. You keep not having a blurb. That's okay.
It just simply just says at the bottom, a Texas
twist on a German classic. And it very much tastes
like a Bach. Nice. It is good. Houston, Texas.
Houston, Texas. Z and Shiner are like right there
with each other, I feel like, for Texas brown
ales. It's good. It's good. I approve. You approve.
You got some, is it nutty? Is that what you're
tasting? Mm -mm. No nut? Nope. Not in my beer.
It's smooth. I'll give it that. I think it's
even a hair smoother than Shiner. Not that Shiner's
not smooth. No. So. No. That is tasty. No, I'm
really glad I brought these Cheez -Its. Yeah,
so we can make all the mouth noise on the mic.
Sorry, guys. Okay. Speaking of technical issues.
Yeah. I wanted to talk today about what happens
when... Someone takes your baby away? When somebody
takes your baby away. Yeah. Specifically, okay,
IT is very rarely the top of the food chain.
I would almost say never, but like there are
some companies out there that this is what they
do. This is all they do. So the IT infrastructure
support, all of that is the like top. Right?
Isn't it so good? Okay, so we didn't just get
the Cheez -Its. We got the Cheddar Jack Cheez
-Its. Yeah, you got the Cheddar Jack. And I will
say, I love Cheez -Its. I will always love the
original Cheez -Its. This is not a substitute.
This is not a replacement for the original Cheez
-Its. But these Cheddar Jack ones have been right
at the top of my list for a little while now.
I've not tried these before. It's so good. Here,
maybe you can hear how good it is. There it is.
There's you some ASMR. Okay, so what I was saying
is most of the time if you work in IT, you're
in a support role, which I love. Like I'm not
mad about being in a support role at all. I really
enjoy it. I know you really enjoy that. Yep.
If you don't know Chris, he's one of the most
patient people that I know, and it's really like.
The idea of helping people that don't know what
the heck they're doing is like another level
with this guy. Super patient with them and then
also super patient with people that think that
they know better. And I like I I'm I've always
kind of. I say been in all like I don't mean
that in a. Fluffy. meaningless way. I mean, like,
I really don't know how you do it without like,
without constantly losing your cool. Because
I was telling Colson, my boss today, like, I
feel, I feel like I'm losing the recording triggered
by so many things. I don't know. I'm not, it's
red. Okay. For some reason, the red button threw
me off. Like it wasn't supposed to be red. It
was supposed to be green. But no, it's supposed
to be red because the timer is still going. Yes.
Okay. Can you tell we're a little bit nervous?
Anyway. I can see the look. The look. But that
like, I feel like there's so many things that
like when somebody, because so many people have
been so critical in so many different situations
in ways that they don't really have like a backing
for. And what I've always seen in Chris, and
my partner here is the ability to not let that
change the way that he is interacting with that
person in the moment. I'm not good at that. I'm
really bad at that. And so what I wanted to talk
about today is that there are so many times that
in IT and in AV and some of these technical roles
that we have, Where it's like, you may know better,
but because of one reason or another, we're going
in a different direction. Sure. And the hardest
thing for me lately has been these things that
I know a lot about are no longer my responsibility
anymore. Yeah. And how do I... interact with
it in a helpful way while still like, it's so
hard because I think so many of us want to help
and want to like, I want to make this better.
I want to fix the problem that somebody is having.
I don't want something to fail. Correct. But
if somebody has taken the response, like the,
the responsibility away from me and the decision
away from me, like there, there has to be a,
and I got, I got in trouble for saying this wrong.
So I'd love to know the right way to say this.
You have to be able to kind of hand that over
and say, okay, well, like the, the wrong way
to say it, I guess was, You didn't do what I
said to do, so now it's your problem. Or you
took this responsibility away from me, so now
you have to deal with whatever comes of that.
That's evidently not the right way to say it.
I think there's a way to say that that's not
saying it quite as... as I feel it in my chest.
Well, I mean, that's tough. You know, I mean,
I guess kind of going back to where you started,
I can't take credit for the patience piece. That's
a God thing. I had a great example in my dad's
dad as well. Nice. To see that lived out, because
that's not my dad by any means. My dad is a...
loud dude we need to go to war we're going to
war let's go right now let's go right now um
type of type of person yeah so now that doesn't
mean that i don't lose my cool i do i certainly
do um there are things that come my way that
in my head i might be thinking one thing but
i'm verbally saying something else just because
you've got a For me, it comes into what I say.
You can't give people the rough draft. And I
developed that concept in my interaction with
my wife. And if I was to always talk to my wife
in what I call the rough draft, she would probably
think that I'm the meanest, horrible person in
the face of the earth. Really? But before I talk
to her, and I try to do this with my kids too,
but sometimes you... Fail. You fail miserably.
And then you have to come back and I'm sorry,
I apologize. I shouldn't have handled it that
way. I should have taken more time to process.
So I generally will go through two, three, maybe
four iterations in my head before I talk to her
about something that is truly upsetting me. There
have been some times that I've just kind of given
her the rough draft and you'd see that look come
up on her face. And it's like, oh, I stepped
in it. Too fast. Too fast. Too soon. So I guess
what I do feel like I do a good job of is being
able to compartmentalize that in the moment.
Yeah, I don't know. And try to address the person.
And regardless of my feelings in the moment,
you know, I may want to just grab them, shake
them and say, what in the world is wrong with
you? Right. But that's not going to get me anywhere.
I mean, so I have I have to try to meet them
where they are. And I don't mean that in a demeaning
way. Feels feels like it'll do something for
me. Yeah. So you don't mean that in a demeaning
way. As far as meet them where they are. I don't
mean that in a in a demeaning way. All right.
Let me step down to your level and I'll meet
you where you are. I don't mean it that way.
It's like, OK, you have. But obviously where
they are is not where you are. Well, I mean.
it's not their area of expertise. So I try, I
try to remember that. And I try to remember that
there is a time that I may have been like them
because I haven't always known what I know. Oh,
for sure. So I try to, I try to keep that perspective.
Sometimes I don't do a good job with it, but
I try. And I realized that they potentially have
a misunderstanding of the technology. And it's
like, well, hold up, let's walk through this.
Let's me try to help you understand. And I realized
there are some, Sometimes I can see the look
on their face. They're glassing over and it's
like, oh, stop, back up. Let's take a different
approach to try to help them out. And I'm glad
that most people perceive that in the way that
I interact with them and that I'm not being a
bully and I'm not being a jerk, although I'm
fully capable of all those things. Now it's,
oh, I am. Ask my kids. My family's seen a little
bit too. Although when it's something that you
have owned and it gets ripped from you, and I
use rip on purpose because that's what it feels
like in the moment. Not in the moment. It lingers.
For a while. It lingers. But when you have your
baby ripped from you and handed to somebody else,
and you're going, wait, time out, what just happened?
There was nothing wrong with that. It worked
perfectly fine. It did everything it needed to
do. It gave us the growth that we needed. But
now you're basically ripping this out, handing
it off to somebody else, and what it can feel
like. is you're telling me I didn't know what
I was doing. I don't know my hind end from my
elbows, to say it nicely. And in that moment,
I'm looking at you and going, I think you don't
see reality. No. And yeah, you've got to be careful
in how you speak that to people, just because
you can make the situation much worse. And especially
if it's a situation where you either directly
know or your gut instinct is telling you they're
giving something to somebody who doesn't know.
Right. And you're sitting here going, I can't
stop this. This train is in motion. Yeah. And
sometimes it feels like you're sitting there
watching a train wreck in slow motion. And if
you attempt. Yeah, but it's like your favorite
train. Yes, it was. It was, it was your favorite
train. Oh my gosh. Can you hear that horn for
the foamers out there? Yeah. Um, so, but yeah,
you see it and you want to speak up and sometimes
you do and you're basically told this isn't your
domain. Yeah. And you're like, okay, so I'm going
to step back and I'm not going to say I told
you so. No, can't do that. I want to, but I'm
not. And when this thing derails, And it's all
upside down and backwards. And then you're coming
and talking to me. I'm not going to say it, but
I'm going to do what needs to be done to get
it fixed. And I know that that person is going
to sit there and go, they told me and I didn't
listen. And I have to let that be enough for
me to go. I did what I was supposed to do. I
did what I was supposed to do. I gave you the
warnings. it went the way it did. I'm going to
help try to pick up the pieces. And I know that
this person is sitting there going, I should
have listened. I don't, I don't know that they
are though. Like that's, what's hard for me is
like, I think that sometimes bad decisions get
rewarded in ways that I, I just find really unfair.
That preaches there. There's a sermon there.
I mean, it's just where you're like, Oh, you
didn't, you didn't completely fall on your face.
So you think everything's okay. And, and that's
just like, it's hard for me to really wrap my
head around inside of it because I know like
in a totally hypothetical, right. A decision
is made based on somebody's You've got a movie
running through my head when you say this. Office
Space, you've seen that? Office Space, yeah.
And it's the Bobs talking to him, and he goes,
and this is totally hypothetical. Oh, man, the
Bobs. Well, totally hypothetically, a decision
is made because somebody is an expert. And the
further you get into the process, and you're
not included in the process anymore. But the
further you get into or they get into it and
the further like it goes, the more you realize
this person doesn't know anything about the technical
side of what they're now in charge of. Yes. And
you realize like your limited knowledge about
something is higher than. and experts and it's
just that like oh no like i know like there's
no dunning kruger effect on this one like i know
i know very little about this because i know
that i could know a lot about this i could have
taken all of these classes that i whatever and
i didn't have time to because of all the other
things that i was trying to make happen and you
just like you don't have there are not enough
hours in the day i almost ran into that again
today With everybody needing, I came back from
vacation last night. And so I come into work
today and there's just a whole bunch of like,
oh, this has to, I need this by the end of the
day. And it's like, no, I've got meetings all
day. I can't be doing. So after we get done tonight,
like I'm going back to work to try to get all
of the other stuff done. which is fine. Like
it's not that big of a deal. And I came back
from a great vacation and it's, it's, you know,
it'll make the rest of the week bearable to not
be, you know, in debt time -wise all the time.
So I'm not like, I'm not lamenting that really
at all, but it's that realization that like you,
you've got only so many hours and you've always
had only so many hours. And so there's some things
that you know that you didn't, get to spend as
much time on yeah in emerging technology that's
coming out and then you're like told oh well
this this person knows what that's gonna take
and they're so they're gonna take take it and
then the further you get into the uh you know
wheel of it or whatever you realize no they don't
they don't know anything about that they know
less than i do about that that's scary because
now like if somebody uh has a problem and they
would normally come to me i'm going to have to
say i don't know and is that okay that i don't
know because i i had a system that i worked and
i made it work with as little of my effort as
i could there's still i mean you know there's
not a single av or it system that i feel like
you can just set it and forget it I mean, there's
always updates. There's always things that need
to be changed or patched or somebody will ask
for some new, like, quirky thing for how it works
or can we get this to talk to that and can we
integrate this with that and, oh, this church
that I went to has this and why can't you do
it that way? And it's like, well, I can. But
my guess is that church has a whole team that
does that. Absolutely. And I'm one person who's
also doing these other things. So there's part
of me that is so grateful for the opportunity
to get to not be involved in these conversations
or how this goes. Yeah. But I just don't know
that I can really let it go. Because I don't
trust that I'm not going to be then slammed back
into the middle of fixing the thing that broke.
Correct. And I mean, I think that's where all
this anxiety is coming from. Sure, sure. And
I've worked with people, like what you're saying,
that come in and just kind of turn things over.
I refer to them as wrecking balls. Yeah, what
is that? And then sometimes they have the ability
to come in, wreck it. And then slip out the back
door as if, Oh, not my problem. I was like, no,
no, no. You came in, you, you, you, you destroyed
this. Everything was fine. And now it's not.
Yeah. Yeah. No, to your point, you know, I, I
interact with people on the support side and
I'm needing them to be the subject matter expert
because I've reached my limits. So it's like,
I have to come to you. you're the one that's
supposed to know. And when I interact with them
and I'm going, Oh my gosh, they don't know. Yeah.
And it's like, what are we going to do here?
And so then you literally just start digging
in the pages of Google where you probably shouldn't
be going that deep trying to find something or
it's literally, yeah. Holy cow. What does this
button do? What does this button do? I mean,
I did sit down the other day. I'm on this because
I was asking a question about how something was
going to work and I was met with a very clear,
I don't know, which I like, man, if you want
to get me fired up, be in charge of something
and then have someone ask a, I mean, I don't
feel like it was a technical question. It was,
I mean, it was not, it was a technical question.
It was not a. out of the scope of what is happening
right now question it was a okay but how do how
does this signal get to this box because once
it's coming in here you've you've got it routed
this way and i need to take it from this place
and put it in over here which the first reaction
was no you don't and i was like yes i do like
i don't I understand you don't see this as a
thing, but it is a thing. Sure. So there was
that. And then the actual answer to the question
was, I don't know. Like, I don't know how to
do that. Yeah. And I was like, I don't like you.
That is so scary. So I'm sitting at the, you
know, console or the whatever. And I'm just scrolling
through. Like, okay, they don't know. So now
I've got to figure out which one of these. And
it's based on a system that I've never worked
with. Correct. Because you don't want to see
it fail. No. But you don't know it. And what
you want to say, and I think there's a way to
try to word it. Maybe it's hard to find in the
moment, but they come to you and go. Fix it and
you have to go, you took this away from me. I
don't know the system enough. Yeah. You need
to go to the guy that you made the owner of it.
Yeah. And have him fix it. I can't. Yeah. And
that can be perceived a couple of different ways.
And it's like, I'm not trying to say that to
be spiteful or get back at you. No. Because I
don't want to do something. It's you've put us
in a position where this guy had to be the expert
and he doesn't know it. And then you're coming
to me asking me to fix a system that I don't
know. Right. It's like, I don't have anything
for you. I joked there that I was for a while.
I mean, it was not very long. It feels like because
I'd come up with the joke and then all of a sudden
it wasn't my thing anymore. But I joked that
I was related to this room because of the amount
of blood that came out of my hands and into the
cabling to then make it a blood relative. Yeah.
But, I mean, all of that to say, like, now it
feels like some of that wiring blood has been
taken out, so it's not my relative anymore. That
was a very short -lived relationship there, even
though it was years in the making. But, yeah,
that's... I don't know if that's like, I don't
think that it's pride. If it's pride, it feels
like it's more along the lines of not wanting
to have to say, I don't know, because I don't
want to be unhelpful. But like, I really don't
want to say, I don't know. I don't want to have
to have somebody have an emergency and then not
be able to fix it. Sure. I mean, there've been
so many emergencies that it just takes a second,
but I mean, run the traps. Cause I know all of
this, you know, in my head and now it's like,
Nope, don't have any of that anymore. No. I mean,
there, there's some truth to saying, I don't
know. You took it out of my domain. You went
a whole different direction with what I don't
know. And because it's not my domain, I didn't
research it and try to learn because you've got
me paying attention to other, other things. Yeah.
But now you want me to pick this up and it's
like, I don't have it. Yeah. And there is like
the, oh, we're not going to do that. Okay. It's
great until there's not another option. Sure.
But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
So I guess, I don't know. Reading between the
lines here, what you've got is a guy that knows
how to. Potentially do the day -to -day operation,
but doesn't understand the technology enough
to configure it in the multiple ways that you
may end up needing it. Yes. So he knows he is
more comfortable with this system than he was
with the existing system. And he made it sound
like... the existing system couldn't do what
this system can do, which was really frustrating
to me because I was like, okay, that's just not
true. Like I don't, there's one spec, like one
spec that is significantly better because it's
a significant increase in cost. And I, I agree
like, there's a difference between 48 kilohertz
and 96 sure i get that like i'm not i'm not trying
to say that that doesn't exist i'm not trying
to say that people who really know can't hear
that like i really do think like this is auditorially
if that's a word um this is the equivalent of
going from i mean 720p to 1080 or I mean, 1080
to 4K or whatever the jump is that you remember
looking at and going, wow, you can really tell
the difference there. I get that. Not many people
have that ear, to be honest with you. Way more
people have that eye than have that ear. And
so there's part of it that's like, okay, but
can you overcome everything else that might be
wrong moving to a different? The further we've
got into this, the more I'm like, this person
does not appear to know how to ground up, fix
the problem if something goes sideways. Sometimes,
unfortunately, in that moment, you just have
to let people lie in the bed that they made.
And that's not it. It's not an easy thing to
watch. Nobody wants to see that. You know, your
inherent nature is let's not go there. Let's
figure this out. But eventually, and this is
an extreme example, but, you know, eventually
you got to have that intervention and go and
pull a Padme and go, I can't go where you're
going to pull some more references out. And you
have to, unfortunately, let people fail. And
then when they are like, well, why didn't you
do something? Like, that's not my domain. You
went into a direction that I don't know. My focus
is on the domains that you've given me. If you're
telling me that now this is going to be my domain
again, then I'll get right on it. But you took
this from me and you told me focus on these.
And so I did exactly what you asked me to do.
I'm not a mind reader. I'm not a psychic. You
give me my marching orders and I move forward.
Yeah, and even more than that, not even not being
a mind reader or a psychic or anything, I said,
I don't do this because I don't know how to do
that. I just came out and said, I don't know
anything about that. I mean, that's why I wouldn't
do that. I would not do that. I don't know enough
about that, but it's not my decision anymore.
Correct. And that's tough because you know that
you're going to be expected, but yet you weren't
giving any buy -in on the solution. Beer number
two. Yeah, this one's way more brown. Oh, yeah.
That's the Shiner that we know and love. Yeah,
I'm glad I handed the 1909 off to you. Yeah.
Sorry, dude. I really did think that that was
a darker beer than it was. Now we know. Now we
know. 1909 is not a crisp beer. No. And is a
lawnmower beer for me. Wow, that was... That
sounded great. That's a lot of head. Holy cow.
I'll let that sit for a minute. We've had this
one before. This one's actually pretty good.
Modelo Negro is a good beer. I like it, and I
like the Dos Equis Amber. I don't know if you've
ever had that, but it's definitely that good
side of the red. I feel like that's the one where
Jacob and I were at a Mexican restaurant in Georgia.
How about that? And they were listing, uh, Modelo
beers on the menu and they made it sound like
they had a dark, um, Dos Equis. And I'm like,
well, I want that. Right. I want to try that.
I've done had that before. And then you get it
and it's like, that looks like Dos Equis. Yeah.
I mean, there's a, there's a, the, the Amber
is, I mean, Dos Equis is just like a blonde.
Yeah. But the Amber is a little redder. It's
just not, it's not that. No, not, not really
red, not really Brown. Cheers again. Cheers again.
It's like coming home, baby. Yeah, it is. So,
um, yeah, I mean, that's, Mostly what I wanted
to talk about today is just like it's hard being
in a support role without feeling like you have
the confidence of the people you're supporting.
And that's kind of what it's felt like for a
while now for me is that like, I, I can say,
no, I don't, I don't think that's a good idea
or no, I don't. And I keep getting met with like,
Oh yeah, I totally understand what you're saying.
I understand like that, you know, when somebody
has had a critique about this, they have not
been able to be specific or when, you know, this
or that or whatever, but it's that like, but
we're going to try this other thing anyway. And
I'm like, but I, I mean, in that moment to me,
that would feel like a vote of no confidence
in my capabilities. Right. Because you can't
tell me what's wrong. No. You're just saying
we're going the way this guy says. Yeah. Yes.
That's exactly what that feels like. Oh yeah.
And the, like the, No confidence is hard for
me to stomach. Oh, of course. Because, you know,
there's most of me that wants to be like, listen,
I, number one, am not an idiot. Number two, have
done most of what I've been doing for the past
however many years trying to serve people, not
trying to. You know, make everybody think I'm
awesome. The goal was to fade into the background.
Yeah. In so many ways. Yeah. But it's almost
like because you fade into the background, now
you have less weight. You have less carry. Yeah,
and I deal with that even where I'm at. You know,
I'm not a flashy guy. No. I'm a behind -the -scenes
kind of guy. Yeah. I feel like my 19 and a half,
almost 20 -year track record speaks for itself.
Yeah, it does. I'm not a brash kind of guy. I'm
not out there feeling like that I have to constantly...
Drive people in the direction that I want them
to go. No. So I tend to lead more by example.
That's just what I'm comfortable with. That's
my style. That's a good style. I agree. But with
some folks, it's not perceived that way. And
so, you know, I've recently been given some guidance
on find ways to be more visible. find ways to
be more of an influencer. You mean like brighter
shirts? Do you have to come to work wearing one
of those neon vests? Look at me. So, I mean,
I'm trying to process that and understand that.
It doesn't give me energy to think about doing
some of that. No. Can I do it? Yeah, I absolutely
can do it. I'm more likely to do it in a one
-on -one interaction with people rather than
getting in front of a group and trying to cheerlead
into something. So, you know, again, I'm processing
it, trying to figure out what that means, what
that looks like. You know, how can I do some
of that? Because, again, we all know if you keep
constantly putting yourself in a position where
you're constantly stretching and you're constantly
going way outside of your zone, eventually you're
not going to be good to anybody. Yeah, that rubber
band either breaks or loses all of its tension.
Correct. And so you've got to figure out how
can I take pieces of this and get comfortable
and go, okay, now I can take that next step out.
Okay, I can take that next step out instead of
having to feel like you've got to go all the
way out there because you don't want to burn
out. Yeah, but when you feel like you've been
burnt out for five years. Sure. Sure. And again,
speaking to some of this, running a filter, knowing
who's listening. It can be demoralizing when
you speak to something as a subject matter expert
and it feels like you're being told, well, that's
not what I want. Just do what I want. Yeah. And
it's like, okay, I can do that. Just give me
the marching orders. I mean, to tell you the
truth, what's more demoralizing is when you try
to explain why. And you get told that you're
overselling it. Or that that's not true. When
I have somebody tell me that I act like I'm the
only one who knows in a certain situation, and
I want to be like... Well, I don't think I'm
the only one who knows, but I think the people
who are saying different than I am right now
don't know. So I don't know how to express that
in a way that is palatable for everyone else.
I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm not trying to
just bully my way across everything. I'm actually
really bad at... debating things i feel like
i've got a lot of knowledge but sometimes that
knowledge gets kind of pushed into separate categories
in order to make this like decisions that are
helpful to uh tactical issues and when i get
asked for strategy i'm like well i know that
that doesn't work And they're like, well, why
doesn't it work? And I'm like, give me a minute.
Like, I just need to run that back in my head
because you've got it so like pulled around in
different areas that you're like, I think that
was like five iterations ago that we tried that
and that didn't work. But like it was, oh, it
did work. It's just unreliable or, you know,
like whatever the. decision making was and then
you're told like no you got to be able to explain
that to everybody because everybody wants it
to be different and you're like oh okay but either
i'm the one who knows sure or i'm not and i don't
like i don't value i think probably because the
way that i was raised i don't value everybody
knowing what i know sure i don't need to know
everything that you know I need to know the things
that I'm responsible for and know them so well
that I can problem solve them immediately when
there's an issue and try to like come up with
the solution and, you know, be able to walk somebody
through that solution. But I don't like, I don't
like my, my parents were the like, because I
said so parents. Yes. So there's a lot of times
like Lori is really great with our kids. This,
you know, bringing it back around to family.
Lori's really great with our kids about telling
them why. When they ask why and she gives them
an explanation, I get agitated by that. And I
say that she's so good at it because I know that
that's a good thing that she can do for them.
But I get really agitated by that because I thought
that becoming an adult and gaining all of this
knowledge and figuring all that and being able
to do all of these things really came down to
being able to accomplish things. Being able to
do all these things meant that I didn't have
to then explain it. Yeah. We have teachers. We
have colleges. We have all of this in place.
If you want to go learn how to do this, I would
encourage you to go do that. It's not my job
to make you knowledgeable on everything or explain
to you why. And I understand some people will
probably listen to that and hear that as maybe
even a character flaw inside of me. see it as
a character flaw i see it as a um it's a feature
it's a feature listen it's a feature it was made
that way no it it is a it is a byproduct of a
worldview that says you don't like you i'm not
telling you not to like think outside of the
box or anything like that but i am telling you
stay in your lane yeah And it's so hard for me
to, like, accept that anybody can critique anything
without knowledge of it. Yeah. And by knowledge
of it, I mean real knowledge of it, not experiential.
Like, I went to Disney World, so now I have knowledge
of the rides. Okay, well, I need you to fix the
track on the Haunted Mansion. Like, no, I can't
do that. Well, you said you knew about the Haunted
Mansion. And it's like, I went on the Haunted
Mansion. And it's like, well, you don't know
anything about it. You just experienced it. But
I can say now, like, oh, well, I know the Haunted
Mansion. Okay, well, that's not like, I don't
value that. I don't value the person who says,
I know the Haunted Mansion. Who doesn't actually
know anything about it, except what they felt
like when they went through it, what they experienced
and saw, even if they were looking at the track,
like I, I value the guy who like, when we're
talking about the haunted mansion, I value the
guy who put it together. Yes. Who said like,
okay, it's gotta be at this incline. It's gotta
be at this. Like we need the pumps to do this.
We need the track to be rated to this. We gotta
be able to, drop them this far and it can't go
further and it needs to go back up to this mark.
Like, so we need this piston to do this or whatever
the thing is. Yep. That's the guy that I want
to talk to whenever something goes wrong with
the haunted mansion, not the guy who was like,
well, I wrote it five times. So therefore I know,
therefore I know it. Yep. I mean, does that make
any sense? Like it, there's, It does, because
what you're what you're reminding me of is recently.
Whoops. Hi, Mike. Yeah, there was a Joe Rogan
podcast that had Douglas Murray on it. I don't
remember the guy that he was debating with on
that show, but it was the subject matter of do
you have to be an expert in order to speak on
something? Yeah. And they were going back and
forth and back and forth. And there are some
subjects where maybe you don't necessarily have
to be a true expert. Right. But when it comes
to certain things. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. You
have to, because you have to understand the history.
You've got to understand the context. You have
to understand the technical piece that you're
in. Yeah. And that's what makes it. And I, I
like. the concept, but it doesn't always translate
to reality. And that is the idea that if you
can't explain something, then you don't know
it well enough. And I get what they're trying
to say by that. Yeah. And that if you truly know
something, you should be able to explain it to
anybody. Right. But I think there's a limit because
there are, and again, not trying to talk bad
about people. I'll use my mom as an example.
There are just some people in this world that
are just not meant for technology. No. She can
do certain things. Yeah. And I'm proud of how
far she's come. Right. But there is just a limit.
Yeah. And it's just like, she can't go any further.
And it doesn't matter how I say it. How do I
try to explain it? It doesn't matter what real
world scenarios I pull. Right. It's just not
going to be there. And that's okay. Right. And
so when you're being asked, we need to explain
it to everybody. And it's like, well, I need
to explain it. to that person and where they
are and that person where they are and that person
where they are, I can try to explain it. Yeah.
And I think I've explained it well. Yeah. One
of you might get it. The other four is looking
at me like I'm talking a foreign language. Yeah.
I mean, I, I agree to an extent. Um, I, I then
immediately for some reason, think about my grandmother
who made the best French fries. and chicken fried
steak that I think has ever existed on the planet.
But when you asked her, I'm just saying like,
and I feel, I feel terrible. I really do because
nobody can go back and like, try it, try it because
she's gone. And honestly, one of the things that
I hate about it is that she's gone and she couldn't
really explain how to do it. She just knew. she
knew like the measuring of things based on the
size of the cuts that she made on the potato.
Yeah. On what kind of, what the meat looked like
after she had tenderized it to then like, she
knew all of the, it's like my grandfather was
an incredible baker and he knew by walking out
of the house in the morning, how long it was
going to take the bread to rise. because he could
feel the barometric pressure or whatever it is
i don't know i don't know like the humidity the
like yeah temperature all of those things he
knew that but if you asked him he would have
to experience it in order to tell you what the
right answer is he couldn't say well here's the
formula in order to get it sure or here's the
like whatever and and so like there's there's
a like Those are just innate abilities. There's
an innate ability. There's a learning that you
get. I don't know if you've ever done this in
an IT problem that has happened, but where you're
looking at the problem and you're looking at
the... whatever the settings are that you're
walking through and you're like i don't know
let me try this and you just try a thing and
it works yeah and you're like i can't really
explain to you why i knew that that was yeah
what was going to fix this problem i mean other
than turning it off and on again sure we you
know universal fix universal fix just used it
a second ago but like uh the like There's some
of that that I want to be like, I, I, I, I value
that. I value the person who knows it so well
that they don't really even know how to explain
to you how they fix it. Like that's the guy I
want on my team. Sure. And great. If he can like,
you know, help somebody else to learn how to
do that. Like, that's awesome. I hope that. You
can do that, but more than likely that's going
to take somebody being alongside that person
for an extended period of time. And you being
trusted with that. Sure. And that's, I guess
that's the kind of confidence that I wish that
somebody had in me inside of these moments is
I wish that it was like, I don't know how he
does it, but it's the, I mean. You just got the
juice. That's amazing. Sure. And to your point,
there are people who could literally be by that
guy for 10 years and still never figure it out
and get it. There are just some things that are
just a gift from God. It's innate in the person.
And there are some things that just can't be
taught. Yeah. You can get close. You can get
close. But there are just some things that just
cannot be taught. My uncle worked all summer.
He was an athlete. and he worked all summer with
my grandfather and he could he could pull out
uh six donut or one donut hole for every six
that granddaddy could do or the pavar could do
he he just had incredibly fast hands and i i
mean you know i really do believe that if if
someone is dedicated to something there's far
more likelihood that if you spend 10 to 12 years
doing it dedicated to it you know along some
alongside somebody who is really good at it you'll
probably be way better at it than reading a bunch
of books on it oh yeah but some of that has to
do with that like oh well it always oh it's this
you should check this first well that doesn't
seem to have you should check that first the
number of times that it's that problem Instead
of this other problem. Yep. And it doesn't seem
related, but all these systems work together
and it's hard to explain to somebody a system
as interdependent as a network or as a sound
system or as a, you know, engine. Yep. Goodness.
Like it's hard to explain. why all of these things,
like how much time do you have? Like I could
talk about this for hours, but we don't have
that much time. Like you want me to, what you
want is a five minute answer. And I don't have
a five minute answer for that. I have a 25 minute
answer for that. And that's the short version.
Yep. And you're going to get really tired of
me and think that I'm just upselling or talking
it. in a circle or whatever it is. It's like,
no, I mean, part of this is me trying to figure
out what the, what is going to make the light
dawn on you that this is the right answer. And
I don't, I'm not sure what that's going to take.
Yep. And I don't know. It's just that like, I
think some of us are made to debate. And some
of us are made to get our hands dirty. Yeah.
Yeah. And, and it's hard as a hands dirty person
to then have a no confidence because of not being
a debate person. Yeah. You don't want a debate
person right now. You don't want a theoretical
person right now. You don't want somebody who's
all up in the clouds with this right now. You
want somebody who can make this thing work. Yeah,
get it done. Make it happen. Yep. You know, going
back to you saying you're in it and you just
innately go, okay, I'm going to try this and
see what happens. Sometimes you can explain why
it worked. But there are plenty of cases to where
you do it and you go, that shouldn't have worked.
That shouldn't have worked, but it worked. We're
going to go with it. And I'm going to have to
chew on that for a while and see if I can figure
it out. And I've had my fair share of those.
I mean, it's usually like at 1130 at night when
you've been pounding on something for so long
and you're like, okay, I'm going to try this
thing that I've had an itching in the back of
my head to try this, you know, past four hours.
But I just, I can't explain why that would work.
Oh my gosh, it worked. Yeah. What the heck was
that? Well, that was the tiny voice speaking,
but we weren't listening. No, we weren't listening.
And there have been so many things. And I know
you've been there. I've talked to you about this
as well, that you've been at it and it's just
not working. And you finally reached the point
of going, I'm walking away. Yeah. And I clear
my head and I get on my knees and I pray and
I go, God, it's me again. Yeah. I'm still depending
on me. I don't know how many times you've taught
me this lesson, but we're here again. So I'm
going to let go of this. I'm asking you to figure
this out because if you don't fix this, I don't
know how it's going to get done. And just kind
of walk away from that and you walk into the
problem and it's just like immediately it's fixed.
And it's just kind of like. You know, if I would
have done that four or five hours ago, I would
have avoided all this stress and all this headache
and all this downtime. And it's just like, how
many times do I have to keep learning that lesson?
Yeah. Because I read my Bible and I read about
the Jews and the Exodus and it's just kind of
like, how are they doing that? Yeah. Stop doing
that. Stop doing that. You're a bunch of idgits.
Yeah. And then it's like, oh, I do that too.
Shoot. Yeah, I know why they did that. I would
never sacrifice to a gold. Oh crap. I did that
yesterday. Yes. Yes. Movie. If anybody knows
that reference. So, but yeah, um, there are just
some, some things that are just innate in people
and you can't, you can't teach it. It's unfortunate,
but you just can't teach it. And those are, those
are the people that you want around. Yeah. Because
they're still going to be able to teach people
a ton and take them from not knowing to knowing
so much. But it's going to take that person putting
in the hours to hopefully build out that innate
ability. And sometimes it doesn't matter how
many hours you put in. It's just not. You're
going to be good at what you do, but not everybody
can be the great ones at what they do. Yeah.
My mom calls it being born with a chip. She's
like, that didn't make any sense to me, but okay,
you were born with a chip. um and i joked with
her that like she started using that when it
came to like technology stuff but i mean it's
it's all the time now yeah any physical usually
it's physical um ability or i guess mental capacity
for some sort of problem solving it's like oh
no you're born with the chip you can see it as
soon as as soon as the person tackled that problem
and they got real quiet and then all of a sudden
it was fixed i was like Oh, they were born with
a chip. Yeah. Anyway. Hey, thanks for talking
through that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We need to make
an apology here. Yes. Yes, we do. Jason. Hey,
Jason. From the bottom of our hearts. It was
Albie. It wasn't me. Yeah, it wasn't our fault.
But, you know. So, I will not trust the Albie
Hub anymore. And I will just go back to... Signing
in to the wallet. Because as I'm sitting here
now, it says, we had issues. Well, this is funny.
It says, we have issues reaching your wallet.
Please review the connection and make sure you
have the correct permission set. Thanks, Albie.
I'm going to have to. This is about three months
late. Correct. I'm going to have to go through
this now and figure out what in the world are
they talking about? Because I know right now
my Albie hub is on. It's running. And yes, Albie,
I logged in. So it's unlocked. Yeah. Don't tell
me it updated or rebooted and I didn't unlock
it, which is a whole nother mess. This should
work regardless of whether I have logged into
the Albie hub. Again, somebody who thinks they
know better. Just, yeah. So, but we do have two
boosts. They are from Jason. So he, it's still
his segment. Thank you, Jason. Yes. Thank you.
Both of them. Three 33. Uh, the first one came
back in on May 13th. got to send something for
show 33 show 33. Yes. And so he sent 333 sets.
Thanks man. Yes. And then on June 3rd, he sent
that same amount saying three 33 in case you
missed the last three, three 33 for episode 33.
We did. We unfortunately did miss it, but we've
got them now. So this episode 35, this is episode
36, 36. We're turning along. Goodness. We are.
We're turning along. Every other week thing,
we're cranking through them. Got to figure out
how to make it every week. Yeah. Like I said,
not enough hours in the day. Definitely not enough
hours in the week. Correct. And definitely, I
was telling this to somebody the other day, they
were talking about like self -care or something.
crappy like that and i was like um number one
that is against my religion um self -care sounds
like exactly what i was told not to do yep my
entire growing up years but okay let's talk about
self -care um how exactly do you have time for
that like i'm i'm waking up in the morning going
can i shower or do i gotta just go yeah don't
talk to me about It's self -care time. And then
we go all day long. And then we fall asleep at
the end of the day. Yep. And we get up and do
it again. Do it all over again. And sometimes
we can't turn our brain off at night. No. And
you lose sleep. Bro, I have got to get off my
phone at night. Because I tell myself, you haven't
had any time to veg on something. And then I
veg and then I'm like, oh, I can't go to sleep
now because I was vegging and that's not actually
vegging. Yep. You think it's vegging. It feels
like vegging. It's not vegging. It's, you know,
ramping your brain up. Yep. But it's hard to
convince yourself of that. Yep. I've been a midnight
bedtime guy roughly since Conan O 'Brien first
took over late night. Sometimes I stayed with
him for the full 1230, but generally midnight
was kind of it. And I still can't get that out
of my system. So it's midnight. Doesn't matter
what I do. But the biggest thing for me is when
you wake up and it's like two, three in the morning
and you're like, Oh, I wish an idea slips into
your head and you're like, Oh, we're going to
turn on this for an hour. And now that's, that's
going to be there for a little bit. Yeah. So.
Anyway. Thanks, brother. Enjoyed it, man. We
didn't get to the extra stout or the Boston lager.
Maybe we can just put those in the fridge for
another day. Or we're going to sit here and drink
them while we're off air. Well, yeah, because
I do have some information to share. Okay. Well,
then we're going to turn you all off. And then
we're going to drink these. Thanks for joining
us. Yeah. Thank you, everybody. Oasis