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Hey, Kris, how are we doing? Good. How are you

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doing, John? I'm doing good. You're going to

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go ahead and pop the top? I am super excited

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about drinking this beer. I'm going to shield

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my eyes. This is the red Chimay. Chimay Premier.

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And it's got one of those champagne tops on it.

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Yeah, it does. Just everybody make sure that

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your face is properly not pointed in the way

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of the beer. Hold on. Wait. Come on. One, two,

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three. You've got me thinking of SNL cork soakers.

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Cork soakers. One, two, three. Oh, that didn't

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even fly. It just stayed in my hand. Wow. Ow.

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I did it wrong. That's pretty great though. Okay.

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Yeah. Give me your mug. Oh yeah. Oh, that smell

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folks. I'm just. Huffing the cork, I guess you'd

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say. Oh, my gosh. All right, well. Oh, that is

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so good. One way there. Well, last night, in

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preparation for this, I opened up my bottle,

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the little bottle at home of the blue, the Grand

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Reserve. Okay. Oh, but this smells so much better.

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I really like the red. Yeah, the blue, the Grand

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Reserve is a little more fruity. Mm -hmm. Still

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good. But the red, yeah, I think the red is my

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favorite. Chimay Premier is a copper -tinted

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brown ale. Mm -hmm. Agree. That combines generous

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hints of fruit, toast, and sweet caramel. Okay.

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The Trappist logo certifies that this ale is

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brewed in a Trappist Abbey. and that the majority

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of sales income is intended for social aid. The

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exceptional yeast isolated by Father Theodore,

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combined with the purity of the highly protected

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water of the abbey's wells, gives Chimay its

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unique richness since 1862. Chimay's secondary

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fermented ales have neither been pasteurized

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nor filtered, and only natural ingredients are

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used. Beer fermented in the bottle contains barley

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and wheat. Yep. So careful, barley and wheat.

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Yes. And I think in these larger bottles, you

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actually end up with some of the, oh, now I'm

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going to draw a blink on it, the yeast in the

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pour. I mean, it always looks like there's something

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in it. We call that sediment. Sediment. Yes.

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Sedimentary. It's good, isn't it? I mean. Who

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needs smelling salts when you got that? It's

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so good. Anyway. Good beer. Here we go. Cheers.

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Cheers. Mine is more than half head right now.

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Well, mine was there a while ago, but it's settling.

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Oh, yeah. That's good. It's smooth. There's not

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a lot of bitter. Yeah. No secret hints of anything

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once you've let it go down your gullet. No, it's

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great. It's a really good one. I mean, and this

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would probably be one of the lighter beers that

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you enjoy. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of in, it's,

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yeah, it's in that Shiner -ish range. Yeah, the

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Newcastle Brown Ale. Little. A little less translucent

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than Shiner. Yeah. You try to look through this

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thing, and you're like, no, I'm not seeing the

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other side of the mug. I'm looking through the

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mud, but it tastes so good. Yeah, it's delicious,

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though. Oh, yeah, it is good. Oh. What just happened?

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Don't do it. I just got the notification on my

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computer that it wants to run updates. Oh, no.

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Never run updates before or during the show.

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Definitely not during the show. Um, this is 7

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% by volume. Yeah. Yeah. That, that is a good

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one. Um, so we've had, this is our second time

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to have this one on the show. We've had the blue,

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the grand reserve. Uh, I had the door a at home

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and I still have one small bottle of that that

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I need to drop. And then I have a small bottle

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of the sink scent. Oh yeah. From them. And then

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that, once I kind of have that one, then that

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will complete the set for me. The Sink Scent

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is what color? It's the same. No, sorry. No,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's white, but

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it's also very similar to the Dore bottle. Okay.

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So. Well, there you go. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't.

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I just had the blue, the red, and the Dore white.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Highly recommend Chimay if you

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haven't tried it. Ah, so good. You will love

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it. And we really like the red. Yes, the red

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is very, very good. Anyway. It is an amazing

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ale. Yep, just going to keep drinking over here.

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What are we talking about tonight? We need a

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second bottle. We do need a second bottle. Next

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time we do this, we do need two. This mug is...

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Making it look pretty weak. Did I get any? I'm

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going to have to try to pace mine because I didn't

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bring a backup. This is where I need my little

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jingle that goes the backup to the backup to

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the backup to the backup. Also important. Tonight

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we're talking about wherever you're going to

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lead us in regards to Apple Business Manager.

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I'd love to talk about some of the... struggles

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that you've had okay and of course you would

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of course yeah well yeah we got to put it out

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there i mean get a chance to bash apple i'm going

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to take advantage of it yeah absolutely um you

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know especially before they bring out all that

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liquid glass i so help me um i said that on purpose

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oh gosh we haven't talked about it no we haven't

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and i think you know how i feel about it oh absolutely

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that's why i said it i mean i'm poking the bear

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are you kidding me I don't like I I it's not

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uh I'm not against Apple like I use so much of

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their technology I have given them so much money

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yeah um both mine and the churches the churches

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and the you know camps and yeah every you know

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everywhere that I've been um I've talked to people

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about how this is a good solution in different

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ways and why you might want to use this product

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that kind of gives you fits every once in a while.

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And it's like, could y 'all just like meet me

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halfway? Could you stop with the like? It was

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almost like that whole time they were talking

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during WWDC. I felt like. I needed to yell at

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the screen and Chad is right there next to me

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and Cody actually hearing me get frustrated,

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but I kept being like, they're talking about

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liquid glass. Like it's an actual, like they,

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they kept calling it a material. Yes. And I was

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like, folks, don't, don't get confused. They're

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not changing anything about the phone that you

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have in your hand. There is no actual material

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that's being used right now. They created a GUI

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that looks different. And I would say, as opposed

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to what it looks like right now, which is like

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a frosted glass, this looks more like a liquid.

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They're wasting clock cycles. Freaking talked

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about it like this was a revolution. Yes. I was

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like, you've got, do you not know that Johnny

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Ive is now working with Sam? Like, you know this?

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No, I don't. Okay. All right, here we go, folks.

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Going down the rabbit hole. Yeah, this is, we

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weren't going to talk about this at all. No.

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Um, but, uh, open AI. Oh, he's not over there.

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Is he? Uh, yeah. Oh, so they, uh, what do they

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call it? IO or is it, it's IO. Um, yeah, I see

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Sam and Johnny introduce IO. Um, so Johnny, I,

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when he left Apple, um, he, was consulting Apple

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for a little bit. Um, but yes, then he created

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this firm. Well, I guess while he was doing that,

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he created this firm, um, of basically former

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Apple engineers, which I don't know like exactly

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how that went. Like these were all open AI. Sorry.

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Did I say the wrong one? You're saying that Johnny.

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Okay, sorry. So Johnny created this firm, and

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he started pulling in these former Apple engineers.

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I'm sure there's other people, but, I mean, the

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huge majority of notables inside of it were former

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Apple guys. Yeah. didn't have a job at Apple

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anymore, or I don't know exactly how that went.

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I'm sure he poached them away. Um, but they made

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all these, like, I mean, basically they had this

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money, um, I'm sure from being paid a lot of

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Apple stock. Um, but I don't know exactly how

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all that happened, but they, they had this, this

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time where they were basically making very niche.

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Like they would, they would like, partner with

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somebody and they would make like a desk that's

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ridiculous but these one -off like design type

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things that are for all intents and purposes

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not valuable to the rest of us other than i'm

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sure like pieces of art some you know years in

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the future somebody's going to have a museum

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that's like all these things that johnny ive's

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team created um and so like i A lot of respect

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for how intelligent and the eye that this guy

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has and the people that work for him and with

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him, whatever, will then open AI. Well, I guess

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more than the way that they phrase it or the

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way that they kind of talk about it, Sam. collaborated

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with or started collaborating with or just got

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getting to know i don't know johnny and then

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they decided to make this partnership which boiled

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down to open ai bought johnny's like team of

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uh engineers and designers for 6 .4 billion dollars

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Good on you, Johnny. I mean, right. Wow. And

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so now they're creating this company, or they've

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created this company called IO. And IO and the

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whatever for it is co -founded by Johnny Ive

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and Sam Altman. They're going to create a family

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of products that help you interact with artificial

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intelligence. Basically, the pinch point that

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Altman was trying to sell inside of this was

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like, if I want AI to help me with a problem,

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you and I are talking and I want AI to like...

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Help me with a problem and be like, oh, hey,

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this conversation that we just had, I want you

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to summarize it for me and give me talking points

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and stuff like that. I would have to take out

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my computer and then I would have to type in

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all this stuff and then I'd have to input all

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this. And that's how your computer works with

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AI. Yeah. Or how you use your computer to work

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with AI. And that just doesn't make any sense

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for what actually this new. I actually think

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that whenever I heard them talking about it,

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they didn't reference AI that much. They talked

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about new technology. Okay. But it's kind of

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obvious what they were talking about if they

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didn't say it out loud. Anyway, so I don't know.

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But in the next year, it looks like they're going

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to make some pretty big waves. It does not appear.

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They said something about, Chad was saying that

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they, like, it won't be a, it won't be glasses.

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Okay. And it doesn't appear to be a watch. But

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some sort of wearable that is going to help you

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interact with AI. And then that's the first thing

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that they're working on. This is supposed to

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be a family of devices, so I don't really know

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what that looks like either. Okay. But you hear

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stuff like that and you're like, oh, I mean,

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or you see the Google announcement. Which one?

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Their AI like. Oh, the video? The video stuff.

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Yeah, the Veo or whatever it's called. Holy cow.

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Well, the thing that I'm seeing there is their

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polished demos look amazing, but the people who

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are now going and trying to use it are struggling

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to reproduce that type of an output. And so it's

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like, okay, what level of coding, or not coding,

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what level of prompt jockeying did you have to

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do to achieve the output that you got? Well,

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I mean, let's be honest about something with

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AI right now, and that's... Yes, the skill that

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is going to need to be taught to everyone or

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that they're going to need to learn or that is

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going to be valuable when you have somebody for

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these spaces is prompt jockeying, is the guy

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who can make it do. But in order to do that,

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you still need to know. how to achieve what you're

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trying to get the AI to do. Cause you have to

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know it in order to tell the AI how to do it.

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Right. You can't just sit down and learn how

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to do some prompts and achieve what somebody

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who's been a videographer or a photographer has

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always done. Yeah. I mean, to an extent that

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like, that's part of the like coding, like the,

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you, if you know how to talk to a photographer

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in a way that, um, A photographer understands

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you should be able to prompt an AI that has all

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of that photography. Jargon based or. All of

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the photography. Editing or, you know, whatever

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usefulness related to the jargon. Like, yeah,

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that's like one. Once you know. okay, this is

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what it expects. And this is what it means for

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output. Like that's going to be the, for everything.

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So, I mean, you know, there's a level where we,

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we think about this as a really complex thing,

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but we thought of the, like, you know, when the

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touchscreens first came out, we thought of it

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as really complex thing. And then Our children

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pick them up and we're like, and you're like,

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how did you know how to do that? Yeah. At some

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point, that's going to be AI where we're able

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to intuit what it's expecting in order to get

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there. I don't think it's going to be quite the

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same, but all of that's going to have to be baked

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in on the back end. I just don't think all this

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AI is going to get there because of the need

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for all of the compute and the need for all of

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the power. I think they're going to reach a point

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to where it's going to be stuck. Just like all

00:18:25.059 --> 00:18:27.259
the technology is stuck because of batteries.

00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.460
No one can figure out a better battery. So technology

00:18:30.460 --> 00:18:33.039
can't get any better. Your phone can't get better.

00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.160
Your laptop can't get better because you're stuck

00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.220
with what a battery can handle. And I think AI

00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:42.339
is going to be hamstrung by the compute and the

00:18:42.339 --> 00:18:47.799
cost of power. Yeah. And the space. So one of

00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.519
the things that I was talking to somebody about

00:18:50.519 --> 00:19:00.730
was the. Like they were sticker shock about how

00:19:00.730 --> 00:19:04.170
much per month I think it's going to take or

00:19:04.170 --> 00:19:08.509
it's going to go for, especially with the VAO.

00:19:10.309 --> 00:19:13.390
Which is less, I mean, you're paying less for

00:19:13.390 --> 00:19:15.269
that than you would an intern. So you got to

00:19:15.269 --> 00:19:17.210
imagine people who are actually doing a lot of

00:19:17.210 --> 00:19:20.650
videos and stuff like that. What are you expecting

00:19:20.650 --> 00:19:23.109
this thing to do? And can it replace a human

00:19:23.109 --> 00:19:28.569
being? Yeah. Yes. So, I mean, at some level.

00:19:29.470 --> 00:19:34.390
So, that's the, like, they were sticker shocked

00:19:34.390 --> 00:19:35.769
about that. I was like, no, you don't understand

00:19:35.769 --> 00:19:38.670
how much, like, they've got to start building

00:19:38.670 --> 00:19:42.130
an infrastructure. If they haven't already, they

00:19:42.130 --> 00:19:45.630
can actually handle the number of people who

00:19:45.630 --> 00:19:48.710
are going to try this. Not who are going to,

00:19:48.710 --> 00:19:50.660
like, stay with it. but who are going to try

00:19:50.660 --> 00:19:53.819
it because what it can't do is fail based on,

00:19:53.900 --> 00:19:59.960
we didn't have enough servers ready. And I was

00:19:59.960 --> 00:20:02.140
talking to somebody else about like, Oh, it was

00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:06.420
Cody talking to him about the jobs that we think

00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:08.980
are safe. And he was thinking like, you know,

00:20:09.019 --> 00:20:12.640
pest control is safe. You're always going to

00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:15.200
need somebody to come to your house and spray

00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.619
for bugs. And I was like, yeah, AC guys are,

00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.480
Because even the computers need AC. Yeah. And

00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:27.039
you're talking about all these huge servers and

00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:29.599
all these ACs running to keep them cold. Yep.

00:20:29.619 --> 00:20:31.960
That power draw by itself, that's an expensive

00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:34.680
building. Oh, yeah. Even if it's a big metal

00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:36.819
insulated building. Basically, all these data

00:20:36.819 --> 00:20:39.619
centers are going to need their own nuclear power

00:20:39.619 --> 00:20:43.039
plant. Insulated buildings. Yeti needs to start

00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:46.660
building. Get Yeti involved. I mean, you're talking

00:20:46.660 --> 00:20:48.579
about you've got to have these to do these things.

00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.779
That makes me think of the end of Tim Burton's

00:20:52.779 --> 00:20:55.420
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Right. The

00:20:55.420 --> 00:20:58.519
dad is now back fixing the robot that stole his

00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.880
job. Yeah. And that's where you're going to be.

00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:04.680
Yeah. It's going to be this weird thing. Switch

00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:06.720
back. So where I thought you were maybe going

00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:09.200
with Google, and then I need to point out a picture

00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:15.740
here. Recently, Google started announcing Gemini

00:21:15.740 --> 00:21:19.700
as an add -on to your Google setup. And you've

00:21:19.700 --> 00:21:21.420
probably already seen an email on this because

00:21:21.420 --> 00:21:24.700
the church uses it. Four or five. I've had a

00:21:24.700 --> 00:21:27.680
conversation with our rep today who is informing

00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:31.180
me that I'm so lucky and fortunate that they've

00:21:31.180 --> 00:21:35.420
now wrapped Gemini into the product. I'm like,

00:21:35.500 --> 00:21:41.009
oh, okay. Oh, and by the way, the... cost is

00:21:41.009 --> 00:21:44.849
going up a dollar per user per month. And I'm

00:21:44.849 --> 00:21:46.930
like, hold on, timeout, timeout, timeout. What

00:21:46.930 --> 00:21:51.049
if I don't want the? Yes, you can turn it off

00:21:51.049 --> 00:21:53.349
if you don't want it. So I'm like, let me get

00:21:53.349 --> 00:21:54.690
this. Do you get the dollar back if you turn

00:21:54.690 --> 00:21:56.410
it off? No, you don't get the dollar back. So

00:21:56.410 --> 00:21:58.690
I'm like, let me get this straight. You offered

00:21:58.690 --> 00:22:02.529
a service. Nobody apparently wanted it. So you

00:22:02.529 --> 00:22:05.730
rolled it into the service and raised my cost.

00:22:07.690 --> 00:22:11.329
That should tell you something. No, yes, absolutely.

00:22:12.009 --> 00:22:14.390
Because nobody wanted it at the cost that they

00:22:14.390 --> 00:22:17.809
were pitching it at. I guarantee everybody would

00:22:17.809 --> 00:22:20.250
be like, that was great. They don't understand

00:22:20.250 --> 00:22:23.190
the beta that they're in. I don't think when

00:22:23.190 --> 00:22:25.210
it comes to that stuff. Everybody thinks everybody's

00:22:25.210 --> 00:22:27.430
just going to jump on board. It's like everybody

00:22:27.430 --> 00:22:31.670
and their dog who's not like has all the money

00:22:31.670 --> 00:22:33.529
in the world to like throw at these things is

00:22:33.529 --> 00:22:38.089
waiting to see. Yes. everybody's going, uh, show

00:22:38.089 --> 00:22:42.490
me. Well, now they get to show me and an extra

00:22:42.490 --> 00:22:46.309
dollar per user per month. So, so the picture

00:22:46.309 --> 00:22:49.150
I want to go to going back to Sam and Johnny,

00:22:49.289 --> 00:22:53.309
um, I don't know who told them this was a good

00:22:53.309 --> 00:22:56.690
picture. I, the one where they look like they're

00:22:56.690 --> 00:23:03.589
on, um, they're a band. Uh, uh, no, I think I

00:23:03.589 --> 00:23:06.829
would. Well, show me. I'm going to swallow my

00:23:06.829 --> 00:23:08.490
opinion and I'll just show you the picture. Okay.

00:23:09.470 --> 00:23:13.190
That picture? Yeah, no, that looks like a Simon

00:23:13.190 --> 00:23:15.990
and Garfunkel picture to me. Well, yeah, yeah.

00:23:16.150 --> 00:23:18.289
You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I see that. But

00:23:18.289 --> 00:23:22.849
yes, they could also be framed in a living room.

00:23:25.150 --> 00:23:30.750
They look like a... Gay couple. I'll say it kindly

00:23:30.750 --> 00:23:33.910
that way. No, I was saying them. Framed in a

00:23:33.910 --> 00:23:36.089
living room. Framed in a living room, yes. Sorry,

00:23:36.130 --> 00:23:38.430
I meant their living room. Their living room,

00:23:38.509 --> 00:23:42.509
yes. I look at that picture and I'm like, that's

00:23:42.509 --> 00:23:45.170
the best picture you'll have. I think maybe it's

00:23:45.170 --> 00:23:47.430
because it looks like he's leaning his head on

00:23:47.430 --> 00:23:50.750
his head. Yeah, and he's got that hand on the

00:23:50.750 --> 00:23:53.849
shoulder. Yeah, but it also kind of looks like

00:23:53.849 --> 00:24:00.980
they asked AI to do it. Maybe, maybe. The light

00:24:00.980 --> 00:24:04.220
on. And there's just something about that bald

00:24:04.220 --> 00:24:07.240
head and his glasses and that half smirk on his

00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:09.359
face that just looks a little out of place. I

00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:11.500
just don't. I mean, that's probably what I'm

00:24:11.500 --> 00:24:13.759
reading about the AI. I'll have to put the link

00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:16.180
to this in the show notes. It looks like it's

00:24:16.180 --> 00:24:18.319
funny. It's just kind of funny. It's something,

00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:20.859
that's for sure. Man, I was having all kinds

00:24:20.859 --> 00:24:24.119
of weird things also during WWDC where I was

00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:29.559
trying to figure out why I was having. a brain

00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:32.420
glitch between the way that they were that it

00:24:32.420 --> 00:24:36.180
that it sounded the way it sounded and what i

00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:39.079
was seeing and it was only happening whenever

00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.359
somebody was on screen and they were talking

00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:48.000
and you know they they they record you know all

00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:54.400
that's done it's a production they're i get all

00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.829
that but the like this was the first time that

00:24:57.829 --> 00:25:02.029
it looked like they were the audio wasn't recorded

00:25:02.029 --> 00:25:05.549
on a sound stage it was recorded on a like in

00:25:05.549 --> 00:25:11.250
a isolation booth and my my head was just having

00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:13.849
a hard time it didn't match what you were the

00:25:13.849 --> 00:25:15.670
audio just doesn't line up with what you're seeing

00:25:15.670 --> 00:25:17.769
with what i'm seeing and i was like i've seen

00:25:17.769 --> 00:25:21.109
that with like you know you see an ai generated

00:25:22.390 --> 00:25:24.410
video or picture or something like that and you're

00:25:24.410 --> 00:25:26.170
like the light's coming in from the wrong place

00:25:26.170 --> 00:25:29.670
your your brain can like discriminate these things

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:31.549
yeah something's not right this was the first

00:25:31.549 --> 00:25:34.170
time i had that feeling with with audio where

00:25:34.170 --> 00:25:37.869
i was like oh i don't i don't like that like

00:25:37.869 --> 00:25:43.390
yeah that feels off intriguing i i just i saw

00:25:43.390 --> 00:25:46.710
a nine minute summary video on youtube watched

00:25:46.710 --> 00:25:48.809
you didn't watch the whole thing no i got halfway

00:25:48.809 --> 00:25:50.990
through the summary video and i had to stop yeah

00:25:50.990 --> 00:25:54.369
okay so at the very end um when they talked about

00:25:54.369 --> 00:25:57.910
it's so funny sitting there with these two guys

00:25:57.910 --> 00:26:00.210
these two other guys that use apple products

00:26:00.210 --> 00:26:02.849
it's not like we're looking for things to be

00:26:02.849 --> 00:26:06.069
upset with one of them in you know has stock

00:26:06.069 --> 00:26:09.349
so like i i think we're all you know we were

00:26:09.349 --> 00:26:13.549
all kind of hoping for better um and we get towards

00:26:13.549 --> 00:26:15.930
the very end and, and I was like, wait, wait,

00:26:15.930 --> 00:26:17.869
wait, wait. They're talking about, they were

00:26:17.869 --> 00:26:20.670
talking about the iPad OS, which immediately

00:26:20.670 --> 00:26:23.190
like my brain wants to shut them off whenever

00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:25.990
they start talking about iPad OS, because there

00:26:25.990 --> 00:26:30.789
shouldn't be a separate OS now for iPad and Mac.

00:26:31.430 --> 00:26:34.849
But whatever, they're not listening to me. And

00:26:34.849 --> 00:26:38.430
evidently they're a lot smarter than me or something.

00:26:39.069 --> 00:26:45.240
But like, The, I, so I was just, I was, my brain

00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.400
was, was starting to go in a different direction.

00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.940
I was starting to like play through emails that

00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:53.299
I needed to respond to in my head. I was in a

00:26:53.299 --> 00:26:57.099
different world. And then all of a sudden they

00:26:57.099 --> 00:27:02.960
have the windows separate. Yes. Um, in the, on

00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.859
the screen. And I was like, Oh, are they, is

00:27:06.859 --> 00:27:09.440
this how they tell us? And they like, they stopped

00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:14.029
short. of course but they did some unique stuff

00:27:14.029 --> 00:27:16.690
with the ipad os yeah for stage manager yeah

00:27:16.690 --> 00:27:19.049
i mean it's not even it doesn't look like stage

00:27:19.049 --> 00:27:21.450
manager it looks like oh yeah it looks like like

00:27:21.450 --> 00:27:23.769
the whole time they're showing like the they're

00:27:23.769 --> 00:27:26.349
showing the cursor and everything looking like

00:27:26.349 --> 00:27:29.750
a cursor and i was like guys they kept talking

00:27:29.750 --> 00:27:32.890
about how like familiar it'll feel or whatever

00:27:32.890 --> 00:27:35.490
and i was like it's familiar because it's a laptop

00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:39.650
yeah like i'm not trying to be that But like,

00:27:39.730 --> 00:27:42.809
are you kidding me? Yeah. It's familiar for a

00:27:42.809 --> 00:27:46.210
reason that, that, that, that's what we, that's

00:27:46.210 --> 00:27:47.990
what it looks like when you do it on a laptop.

00:27:48.349 --> 00:27:53.289
Yep. Don't, I feel like I'm being gaslit. Yeah.

00:27:53.369 --> 00:27:57.779
Yeah. No, this is totally new. And oh man. Do

00:27:57.779 --> 00:28:00.299
you know 12 South? You, you probably, I wouldn't

00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:02.160
expect you to know 12 South because they really,

00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:04.319
some of the Apple products like they make. Yeah.

00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.240
They're on the Apple store. Yeah. They make pretty

00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.579
specific products to Apple. Um, some things I'm

00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:14.019
sure are not, I'm sure. I know that some things

00:28:14.019 --> 00:28:18.259
would be able to, um, be used in, uh, on non

00:28:18.259 --> 00:28:22.700
Apple devices, but they've been known for being

00:28:22.700 --> 00:28:26.579
primarily Apple kind of unapologetically. Yep.

00:28:27.809 --> 00:28:32.710
Um, they, you're going to love this. Uh, I need

00:28:32.710 --> 00:28:35.170
to find it, but I need to also talk about it

00:28:35.170 --> 00:28:37.349
and I can't really do two things at once. Um,

00:28:37.369 --> 00:28:42.210
but the, uh, they came out with this revolutionary

00:28:42.210 --> 00:28:48.710
product. Okay. Revolutionary. Yeah. Very, very,

00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:53.869
um, Apple language in the like mail out for this.

00:28:54.430 --> 00:28:59.839
You ready for it? Okay. They're introducing power

00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.900
cord. I'm seeing that here on the page. The ultimate

00:29:02.900 --> 00:29:08.519
all -in -one charging solution. Okay, so. What

00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.940
they did here. Oh. What they did here, Chris,

00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:19.640
is they attached the wall wart. To the cable.

00:29:19.940 --> 00:29:27.480
To the cable. Huh? It's a USB -C cable. Everything.

00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:31.960
It's a USB -C cable on one end and an Edison

00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:36.759
plug on the other. Yeah. Everything that they

00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:42.539
like. Hold on. One seamless solution. Just plug

00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:46.160
into the wall and charge. Easiest way to power

00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.519
up without slowing down. No separate blocks.

00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:50.940
No matter where you are. No extra cables. no

00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:52.900
extra cables. You're never having to, whatever

00:29:52.900 --> 00:29:57.700
it's made to fit thoughtfully engineered. Um,

00:29:58.180 --> 00:30:01.859
hold on, extend your reach. Okay. So it's like

00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:06.519
four feet and 10 feet. Um, the, like everything

00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.779
that they like posted in the, in the like mailer,

00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.960
like the email that went out, um, which sadly

00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:19.900
I got, um, was about how they re -imagined what

00:30:19.900 --> 00:30:23.190
this was, could be like, you know, I almost said

00:30:23.190 --> 00:30:25.589
supposed to be, it could be like, and I was like,

00:30:25.609 --> 00:30:31.829
so wait, every power cable that we've ever had

00:30:31.829 --> 00:30:36.250
before the last 10 years. Yep. That's what you

00:30:36.250 --> 00:30:45.880
re -imagined. Yeah. I like, I hope, I hope. Because

00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.140
I haven't watched any of the videos that they

00:30:48.140 --> 00:30:51.220
made because that would be way too much effort.

00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:54.180
Look at that. They're plugging it into a Google

00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:57.099
Pixel. So look, they're trying to reach out.

00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:03.759
How diverse. I really, really hope that the videos

00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:08.000
are as tongue -in -cheek as I hope this copy

00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.160
is supposed to be read as. Okay. Because if they're

00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:16.180
literally... Everything that Apple says that

00:31:16.180 --> 00:31:21.259
I make fun of, they're saying with all genuineness.

00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:29.160
That they are serious that this is the first

00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.440
time that this has ever been thought of. It's

00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:37.700
like, you missed the Android device that does

00:31:37.700 --> 00:31:40.039
that? i could see a company like this taking

00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.920
it very seriously and really believing what they

00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.700
believe okay if that's the case then like i'm

00:31:45.700 --> 00:31:50.119
losing all of my faith in humanity because you've

00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:53.700
just like no matter how big you are and you're

00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:57.339
not that big you you've got to have your head

00:31:57.339 --> 00:32:06.160
out of your butt well enough to be able To see

00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.920
this. I need, I need my jingle. Yeah, for sure.

00:32:08.980 --> 00:32:12.759
There's no hope for the world. I mean, it's so

00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.259
bad. So like stuff like that and you know, stuff

00:32:15.259 --> 00:32:18.859
like the Apple talking about how they, you know,

00:32:18.859 --> 00:32:26.259
Chad, Chad, uh, related it to the, um, whenever

00:32:26.259 --> 00:32:31.259
they, um, made the, redid the MacBook pros and

00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:34.329
they put the ports back in. and then talked about

00:32:34.329 --> 00:32:38.069
like in the keynote they talked about how we

00:32:38.069 --> 00:32:42.869
uh we understand that ports are like important

00:32:42.869 --> 00:32:45.309
to our power users or something like that and

00:32:45.309 --> 00:32:48.390
i was like are you kidding me you understand

00:32:48.390 --> 00:32:52.690
because everybody who has used dongles now for

00:32:52.690 --> 00:32:54.890
the past five years has been yelling at you that

00:32:54.890 --> 00:32:57.069
this is the stupidest thing in the world yeah

00:32:57.069 --> 00:33:00.130
i shouldn't have to use a hub to be able to use

00:33:00.130 --> 00:33:03.339
my laptop But, you know, whatever. It's fine.

00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:09.339
But this is... I hate for them to see the power

00:33:09.339 --> 00:33:12.279
charger that runs my Raspberry Pi at home. Oh,

00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:16.579
goodness, no. Because it is a fixed wall wart

00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:18.839
like that with a Type -C connector on the other

00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:23.039
end. But this one's revolutionary, Chris. Now,

00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.500
in fairness, mine only outputs about 5 volts.

00:33:26.380 --> 00:33:31.289
This one is 30 watts. I don't remember. Well,

00:33:31.369 --> 00:33:33.970
I guess I can do maybe the math, but I don't

00:33:33.970 --> 00:33:35.410
remember the wattage right off the top of my

00:33:35.410 --> 00:33:37.390
head. But theirs is obviously going to put out

00:33:37.390 --> 00:33:40.210
more than what a Raspberry Pi needs. Sure, but

00:33:40.210 --> 00:33:44.910
it's 30 watts. That's not going to charge some

00:33:44.910 --> 00:33:51.670
MacBook Pros. You might get an error. No, absolutely.

00:33:51.930 --> 00:33:54.390
It'll do an error. Even though I think the ones

00:33:54.390 --> 00:33:57.630
that ship with the ears now are 35. Yeah. I mean,

00:33:57.670 --> 00:34:00.869
it is one of those, like, this is a little bit

00:34:00.869 --> 00:34:04.630
hilarious for a number of reasons. Number one,

00:34:04.630 --> 00:34:08.750
that should have been 100 watt. Number two, like,

00:34:08.949 --> 00:34:13.110
are you kidding me, revolutionary? Because I'm

00:34:13.110 --> 00:34:17.250
going to lose my mind. You've stopped drinking

00:34:17.250 --> 00:34:20.130
the Kool -Aid, man. Reimagined, redesigned. I

00:34:20.130 --> 00:34:22.510
didn't ever drink that much of the Kool -Aid.

00:34:22.940 --> 00:34:28.780
I thought, hey, this is great, and I still love

00:34:28.780 --> 00:34:33.340
having devices that all talk to each other real

00:34:33.340 --> 00:34:37.199
quick. When you were about to show me the picture,

00:34:37.340 --> 00:34:39.579
I was like, well, just airdrop it to me. That's

00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:41.940
what I thought in my head. No, no, no, no, no.

00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:46.219
So I love that. I love the ability to do stuff

00:34:46.219 --> 00:34:52.740
like that. I think that that's great. understand

00:34:52.740 --> 00:34:58.519
why a company would hold all of that you know

00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.420
as proprietary and not whatever because that's

00:35:02.420 --> 00:35:07.900
how you make money um on selling multiple devices

00:35:07.900 --> 00:35:14.280
but there's definitely like always been that

00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.500
like did he just say magnificent i don't think

00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:19.659
magnificent is the word i would use for that

00:35:19.659 --> 00:35:23.519
beautiful Amazing. Can we, I mean, I've read

00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:26.960
enough C .S. Lewis to know, like, you say what

00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:31.320
you actually mean, not what you, like, that's

00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:39.500
just, that's a different thing. Oogie. I just

00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:41.659
love watching you slowly come around to my side.

00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:46.659
I'm not going. You're coming around to my belief

00:35:46.659 --> 00:35:50.119
of Apple. I, you know, it doesn't mean you're

00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.159
going to stop using the product. I know that

00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:56.019
we, I know that we have chosen different devices

00:35:56.019 --> 00:35:58.579
here, but I don't think that we actually ever

00:35:58.579 --> 00:36:04.579
saw this differently. It's just that for what

00:36:04.579 --> 00:36:07.559
I need to do. See, this is where your cognitive

00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.840
dissonance is kicking in and you just, you're

00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.219
like, I can't, I can't, I gotta still use. Yeah.

00:36:12.260 --> 00:36:15.340
I mean, I, I will tell you like part of me is

00:36:15.340 --> 00:36:21.059
hoping that You know, IO, whatever this new thing

00:36:21.059 --> 00:36:26.079
is, like, blows it out of the water. Because

00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.500
if they do that, then I could see a world where

00:36:29.500 --> 00:36:32.940
I don't have to have all of the devices that

00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:36.739
I have. Because I don't like having four different

00:36:36.739 --> 00:36:39.139
devices to make it through a day. Like, this

00:36:39.139 --> 00:36:46.380
is not good. But there are things that I like.

00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:54.619
To be a certain way. Sure. Just got to give up

00:36:54.619 --> 00:36:58.480
the other stuff. You'll come around. You'll get

00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:03.179
there. I have faith in you. I know you do. So

00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:07.780
we were talking, though, about... Apple Business

00:37:07.780 --> 00:37:11.480
Manager. And it logged me out. Because why wouldn't

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:15.320
it? I wasn't looking at the screen for like five

00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.300
seconds. It's got to be secure and make sure

00:37:19.300 --> 00:37:27.980
that this isn't somebody else. Cool. So the first

00:37:27.980 --> 00:37:31.679
time that we add and activate a backup account

00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.719
to avoid being locked out of, oh my gosh. Yes,

00:37:34.820 --> 00:37:37.219
I want to do that because I'm sure that you will

00:37:37.219 --> 00:37:42.300
try to lock me out for some reason. Yep. So basically,

00:37:42.380 --> 00:37:50.199
like the... reason for going down this path at

00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:56.780
all when you're managing a lot of devices um

00:37:56.780 --> 00:38:05.460
ouch sorry i'm sure that sounded great um when

00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:09.420
you're managing a lot of devices you you hear

00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:13.860
a lot of people's feedback on those devices yes

00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:18.199
um You're hearing people talk about their computers.

00:38:18.340 --> 00:38:19.960
You're hearing people talk about the tablets.

00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:21.599
You're hearing people talk about their phones,

00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:27.239
the Apple TVs in my case. But there's always

00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:33.719
inside of each one of those conversations, I

00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.139
feel like somebody who is ultimately in charge

00:38:37.139 --> 00:38:44.460
of technology in any organization. Of any size,

00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:48.800
probably. There's all of the decisions that have

00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:53.280
been made kind of lurking underneath that conversation.

00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.019
Yes. And you're taking all of those decisions

00:38:57.019 --> 00:39:00.940
and you're trying to pull inside of every conversation,

00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:09.840
every correlating string that you can down or

00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.409
up, I guess, to that. conversation to try to

00:39:13.409 --> 00:39:17.730
figure out what all is being talked about you're

00:39:17.730 --> 00:39:19.429
trying to understand where the person's coming

00:39:19.429 --> 00:39:24.530
from yes you're trying to understand their perspective

00:39:24.530 --> 00:39:27.530
on the problem you're trying to understand what

00:39:27.530 --> 00:39:32.090
the actual problem is you know and for those

00:39:32.090 --> 00:39:33.750
of you that don't know that there's a difference

00:39:33.750 --> 00:39:36.650
between a perceived problem and an actual problem

00:39:36.650 --> 00:39:41.539
correct you don't work in it Yes. Because we

00:39:41.539 --> 00:39:43.940
all have heard the person try to explain the

00:39:43.940 --> 00:39:48.800
thing that's going wrong and then be like, that's

00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.260
a feature, honey. Yes. That's expected behavior.

00:39:51.340 --> 00:39:54.420
Not a bug. Yeah. Like, or, you know, whatever

00:39:54.420 --> 00:39:58.960
the, you know, you're, they're explaining something

00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.400
and you're like, um, I think you pressed the

00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.199
wrong button or I think you. probably are calling

00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.739
that the wrong name or correct whatever the thing

00:40:09.739 --> 00:40:12.659
is so like you're there's just a lot of juggling

00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:14.280
that's going on whenever you're having these

00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:18.980
conversations and you have for a lot of us you

00:40:18.980 --> 00:40:22.760
have like days where you will have 50 of these

00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.699
conversations and you will have days where you

00:40:25.699 --> 00:40:28.519
won't have any conversations and then you'll

00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.380
have another day where you have 30 conversations

00:40:31.530 --> 00:40:33.889
and then you like you're spreading this out but

00:40:33.889 --> 00:40:36.590
you're trying to like then tie those conversations

00:40:36.590 --> 00:40:40.409
together to try to figure out like how how are

00:40:40.409 --> 00:40:42.550
all these things related what are the things

00:40:42.550 --> 00:40:46.670
that we can do to then improve overall how are

00:40:46.670 --> 00:40:52.070
we yes making sure that we don't just don't just

00:40:52.070 --> 00:40:56.389
have the wi -fi up every day the way that they're

00:40:56.389 --> 00:40:58.949
expecting it to be like the air conditioning

00:40:58.949 --> 00:41:06.360
you know And my favorite communications are the

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.380
ones where the power will be out and then somebody

00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:15.440
messages me and asks, does that mean the Wi -Fi

00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.579
is out? And I'm like, I don't know how to tell

00:41:19.579 --> 00:41:22.800
you this. This is not a chicken and egg conversation.

00:41:23.619 --> 00:41:29.739
No. Everywhere that the power is out, there is

00:41:29.739 --> 00:41:34.019
no Wi -Fi. Correct. Now I understand like if

00:41:34.019 --> 00:41:36.920
we had, if power was out means we're running

00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.019
on generators. If you're that kind of company,

00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.539
like great. More power to you. That's awesome.

00:41:42.900 --> 00:41:46.179
But a lot of us, that's not exactly the conversation

00:41:46.179 --> 00:41:48.559
that we're having. So you're like, you're instead

00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.599
of just having like just the general connectivity

00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.760
issues, you're instead wanting to move forward

00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.880
towards how do we make this a better experience?

00:41:59.739 --> 00:42:03.900
And how do we make this a more secure experience?

00:42:05.179 --> 00:42:08.320
Because everybody who's not thinking about security

00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:14.719
are just people that don't know. I mean. Security

00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.719
is everyone's responsibility. It is not just

00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.860
IT's. It's not. And I think that most people

00:42:20.860 --> 00:42:22.699
aren't thinking about it because they don't,

00:42:22.699 --> 00:42:24.480
they're thinking they don't have anything that

00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:30.179
they. could lose you gotta go phil baker and

00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:32.840
tell him remember everybody's in it everybody's

00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.880
in it i did i didn't i didn't handle that well

00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:42.820
i felt some i felt some feelings in that moment

00:42:42.820 --> 00:42:49.639
for those who don't know phil baker at that time

00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:51.500
he's still at pinecone but at that time he was

00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:53.679
in charge of marketing and he was letting us

00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:57.409
know that everyone is in the marketing department.

00:42:58.630 --> 00:43:01.150
And there's some truth to what he's saying. Yeah,

00:43:01.170 --> 00:43:06.510
we all need to be talking about our experience.

00:43:08.130 --> 00:43:10.150
See, now that makes me have feelings. Some of

00:43:10.150 --> 00:43:13.190
us probably need to not talk about our experience.

00:43:13.230 --> 00:43:15.230
You're right. But that's part of being in the

00:43:15.230 --> 00:43:17.829
marketing department is knowing when to talk

00:43:17.829 --> 00:43:20.730
and when not to. Correct, correct. But for me,

00:43:20.769 --> 00:43:22.849
it's all this social media stuff. They've ruined

00:43:22.849 --> 00:43:26.000
the whole concept of... Shared experience. And

00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.699
it's like, no, don't say these things. Don't

00:43:28.699 --> 00:43:33.500
ruin the language for me. No, for sure. And they

00:43:33.500 --> 00:43:35.599
put their money where their mouth was and we

00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.900
all made phone calls and it was horrible. And

00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:42.019
that's when we got to realize, no, there are

00:43:42.019 --> 00:43:44.460
people that are in IT for a reason. Absolutely.

00:43:44.780 --> 00:43:46.840
And not in marketing. We are not your frontline

00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.619
people. There are people who are in all kinds

00:43:49.619 --> 00:43:53.320
of positions that aren't in. development and

00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.320
that's a good thing yep um but all that to say

00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:03.760
like you're you're trying to to um we've got

00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:11.679
a so in a in a spiritual sense sorry to um derail

00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:13.579
us again it feels like a rabbit trail all the

00:44:13.579 --> 00:44:16.059
time but in a spiritual sense we talk about how

00:44:16.059 --> 00:44:18.980
um at the church we talk about how you want to

00:44:18.980 --> 00:44:25.699
um dig wells before you are thirsty. You want

00:44:25.699 --> 00:44:32.559
to invest in things that are, I mean, it doesn't

00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:34.880
even have to be spiritual. If you know the four

00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:39.820
boxes, the matrix of urgent and important and

00:44:39.820 --> 00:44:45.559
non -urgent, non -important. The idea that there

00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.719
are things that are important but not urgent,

00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.480
and those never get done because of the urgent

00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.440
and not important, and the urgent and important.

00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:58.480
Urgent and important, yeah, of course, they're

00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.659
going to get done. But it seems like then the

00:45:00.659 --> 00:45:08.619
other two, urgent and... How am I doing this?

00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.019
How the urgent and not urgent, not important,

00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.889
never gets done. And then urgent, important always

00:45:14.889 --> 00:45:18.469
gets done. Urgent, not important actually gets

00:45:18.469 --> 00:45:23.909
done before important, not urgent. Yeah. And

00:45:23.909 --> 00:45:27.909
there's so many times that you need to spend

00:45:27.909 --> 00:45:35.869
energy, resources, whatever, in that area. And

00:45:35.869 --> 00:45:39.070
that's what this well digging is. You're trying

00:45:39.070 --> 00:45:43.960
to get to the water. before you have to out of

00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.539
the water, you're going to die. Yeah. That type

00:45:46.539 --> 00:45:50.119
of thing. So that's what it feels like working

00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.340
in IT, I feel like, a lot of the time. And so

00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:56.260
one of the things that I have been trying to

00:45:56.260 --> 00:46:03.340
figure out is how do we carrot and stick our

00:46:03.340 --> 00:46:06.420
people? Yeah. Because we don't have a stick.

00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:11.360
True. I'm sure there are IT departments out there,

00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:14.460
there are IT professionals out there who have

00:46:14.460 --> 00:46:17.480
a stick. Yeah, but they probably don't work in

00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.960
a ministry. Yeah, no, we're not allowed to have

00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.539
a stick. There are people who are allowed to

00:46:23.539 --> 00:46:28.119
have a stick. Funny. I'm not going to go into

00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:34.079
it anyway. But there's no stick. So how do we

00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:39.739
carrot our people? into these good choices? How

00:46:39.739 --> 00:46:42.880
do we carrot our people into digging these wells

00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:48.199
before we're all dry and thirsty or a hacker

00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.079
comes in and demands millions of dollars? Too

00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:56.739
soon. Anyway, so looking at all of that, there's

00:46:56.739 --> 00:46:59.860
a couple of different things. Number one, we've

00:46:59.860 --> 00:47:04.079
got some children running around our campus.

00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.179
And they like to get on the iPads. Yeah, they

00:47:07.179 --> 00:47:14.019
do. And, you know, most of the stuff that happens

00:47:14.019 --> 00:47:19.539
when that stuff happens is very no big deal.

00:47:19.940 --> 00:47:23.480
And then some of it, nope, we really needed to

00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:27.719
lock that down. But then you have the, again,

00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:31.059
not having the stick and somebody can't make

00:47:31.059 --> 00:47:34.440
something work. Because it was locked down. And

00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.920
so there's just a lot of how do we do this better?

00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.659
Same thing with any device that we have. You

00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:45.119
know, they didn't think about needing this device

00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:49.559
for this person before they came on staff. And

00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:54.500
now they have to have it. And I'm not in the

00:47:54.500 --> 00:48:00.610
state or whatever the scenario is. And so there's

00:48:00.610 --> 00:48:06.050
just always going to be a need for managing.

00:48:06.929 --> 00:48:10.329
And there are new tools out there for helping

00:48:10.329 --> 00:48:13.650
IT professionals. And by new, I mean in the last

00:48:13.650 --> 00:48:18.250
25 years, there are tools out there for helping

00:48:18.250 --> 00:48:21.690
individuals who are working in IT to provision

00:48:21.690 --> 00:48:25.590
and monitor and do all these things. But they

00:48:25.590 --> 00:48:35.860
take some... Architectural knowledge. Yeah. They

00:48:35.860 --> 00:48:43.199
take. A higher level of. Thought. Especially

00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.000
with Apple devices. Because Apple devices are.

00:48:48.099 --> 00:48:52.880
And they're. They're made for individuals. Not

00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.559
for business. That's exactly what I was trying

00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:58.000
to say. Like their philosophy is. That they're

00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.010
making these. Devices for the individual. Now,

00:49:01.010 --> 00:49:02.869
that means that the individual should have complete

00:49:02.869 --> 00:49:05.630
control over their device. How dare you say that

00:49:05.630 --> 00:49:08.869
blasphemy? And I think every IT guy is going,

00:49:09.030 --> 00:49:13.409
I mean, sure, if it's theirs, but it's not theirs.

00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:17.050
No. I bought this for them. I mean, the company

00:49:17.050 --> 00:49:21.710
bought this for them. And so when I'm responsible

00:49:21.710 --> 00:49:25.929
then for making sure that nothing sensitive or

00:49:25.929 --> 00:49:29.889
whatever from the company. It's put in the wrong

00:49:29.889 --> 00:49:33.269
hands. It seems like a bad, bad situation to

00:49:33.269 --> 00:49:39.809
be in. So Apple's come around. There's been a

00:49:39.809 --> 00:49:42.269
few companies, of course, that have marketed

00:49:42.269 --> 00:49:51.789
to this and built complete businesses from this

00:49:51.789 --> 00:49:57.000
weakness in Apple. Yep. JumpCloud. It's one that

00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.460
we've talked about a lot. Yep. Jamf. Jamf, yep.

00:50:00.699 --> 00:50:04.380
What are some of the other ones that you're either

00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:09.079
using or have looked at? Just like in terms of

00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.760
pure mobile device management. Not necessarily

00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.599
even Apple because this is a thing across platforms.

00:50:17.019 --> 00:50:21.960
Oh, what's the – you're putting me on the spot.

00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:30.340
MDM, it was, they were bought out by Avanti.

00:50:30.940 --> 00:50:33.400
MobileIron. MobileIron is one that I've evaluated.

00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.500
What's the one that we used to use for iPads

00:50:37.500 --> 00:50:41.500
only? Air? Oh, AirWatch. AirWatch. And that's

00:50:41.500 --> 00:50:46.639
now VMware. VMware. It was bought by VMware.

00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:51.739
Bought by VMware, yes. We've used Hexnode. We

00:50:51.739 --> 00:50:56.739
use that primarily for managing Androids. Really?

00:50:56.940 --> 00:51:00.039
Yes. They've got a pretty good solution for that.

00:51:00.099 --> 00:51:04.559
You can manage Apple in it as well. It's not

00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:08.019
just, and you can, for that matter, you can put

00:51:08.019 --> 00:51:09.739
a Mac in it, you can put a Windows device in

00:51:09.739 --> 00:51:14.980
it. There was a couple other companies that we

00:51:14.980 --> 00:51:18.940
looked at. I think because of how much work it

00:51:18.940 --> 00:51:22.610
takes to actually backdoor one of these solutions

00:51:22.610 --> 00:51:30.469
and not be beholden to Apple or Google or Microsoft.

00:51:31.150 --> 00:51:33.570
There's a lot of work that has to go into it.

00:51:33.590 --> 00:51:37.309
So a lot of these companies started off only

00:51:37.309 --> 00:51:41.239
doing one type. they would either only do tablets

00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:43.719
or they would only do phones or they would only

00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.619
do computers or, you know, so they're there for

00:51:46.619 --> 00:51:48.900
a while. It very much felt like something that

00:51:48.900 --> 00:51:51.219
you had to have multiple of these in order to

00:51:51.219 --> 00:51:55.599
really do it well for the entire. Yeah. Cause

00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:58.579
you almost needed one per one per platform. Yeah.

00:51:59.099 --> 00:52:05.920
And, and so, you know, for some things like,

00:52:07.809 --> 00:52:09.889
That's always going to be the case. Like Apple

00:52:09.889 --> 00:52:12.849
business, as I'm looking at what we have and

00:52:12.849 --> 00:52:14.550
what we're actually going to be using this for,

00:52:14.690 --> 00:52:18.269
there are very few devices that we have that

00:52:18.269 --> 00:52:21.690
wouldn't fall under that umbrella as an organization.

00:52:22.050 --> 00:52:27.590
But for a company that has a lot of different

00:52:27.590 --> 00:52:29.289
devices, a lot of different things that they're

00:52:29.289 --> 00:52:31.750
trying to manage, you definitely need to be looking

00:52:31.750 --> 00:52:36.170
at one of these ones that has gone into more

00:52:36.170 --> 00:52:43.260
areas. And I would actually say, like, you know,

00:52:43.260 --> 00:52:47.659
the more I've looked into this, the more there's

00:52:47.659 --> 00:52:57.199
a part of this being. We will talk about also

00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:01.019
a part of this being single sign on where you're

00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:05.079
going to have to evaluate that side of it as

00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.599
separate from. maybe the way that you're doing

00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:12.880
all the other parts of it. Correct. And so like

00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:14.579
there's, there's just a bunch of things that

00:53:14.579 --> 00:53:16.960
have to come together. And so, like I said, that's

00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:22.019
the architect like mindset of it is this, this

00:53:22.019 --> 00:53:25.460
house is not just a kitchen. Yeah. This is not

00:53:25.460 --> 00:53:27.280
just a foundation. There's going to be a roof

00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:31.460
like, yeah. And so like trying to figure out

00:53:31.460 --> 00:53:34.079
how all of these pieces fit together and trying

00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.679
to do it in a way that does not cost whoever

00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:43.079
you are doing this for way too much money is

00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.840
everything is subscription based now. Yes, it

00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.059
is. And you're going to like, if you don't do

00:53:48.059 --> 00:53:52.340
it well, you're going to end up spending hundreds

00:53:52.340 --> 00:53:58.219
of dollars a month on solutions that only get

00:53:58.219 --> 00:54:02.670
you. part of the way there yeah yeah and i would

00:54:02.670 --> 00:54:05.210
say you know you're getting into the elements

00:54:05.210 --> 00:54:09.369
of zero trust yeah um so you're gonna identity

00:54:09.369 --> 00:54:11.750
is probably where you really want to start and

00:54:11.750 --> 00:54:14.650
what i mean by that is where is your source of

00:54:14.650 --> 00:54:18.909
truth for username and passwords and then from

00:54:18.909 --> 00:54:22.090
there then you do get into traditional mobile

00:54:22.090 --> 00:54:24.630
device management and then from there you're

00:54:24.630 --> 00:54:27.340
going to get into single sign -on yeah So we've

00:54:27.340 --> 00:54:32.860
been an Active Directory company for a long time.

00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:38.920
Yes. And that's fine. Like, it's great. It's

00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:42.679
where I think most everything started. Absolutely,

00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.340
yeah. Like, there's a concept here. But it does

00:54:46.340 --> 00:54:50.840
seem like now may be the time to move to the

00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:55.119
cloud in some of these solutions. And in fact,

00:54:55.219 --> 00:54:58.269
probably for us. all of these solutions and so

00:54:58.269 --> 00:55:04.349
um even looking at uh for us it's looking at

00:55:04.349 --> 00:55:07.289
like where our email provider being google i

00:55:07.289 --> 00:55:10.690
think there's there's a lot of okay how are we

00:55:10.690 --> 00:55:13.909
gonna how are we gonna leverage what google has

00:55:13.909 --> 00:55:17.889
to offer with other things now one of the things

00:55:17.889 --> 00:55:19.909
that i like about google is that they are trying

00:55:19.909 --> 00:55:24.329
to play with more people yes um that's the thing

00:55:24.329 --> 00:55:27.750
that i don't like about apple It's like use us

00:55:27.750 --> 00:55:31.590
or don't use anything. Pretty much. And that's

00:55:31.590 --> 00:55:35.949
hard to deal with. So, again, just trying to

00:55:35.949 --> 00:55:37.889
figure out how these things all work together.

00:55:39.969 --> 00:55:46.829
Making sure that you can reference synonyms in

00:55:46.829 --> 00:55:53.179
one place and not have to. have everybody's,

00:55:53.179 --> 00:55:55.199
oh, no, that's the password that you use for

00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:56.780
this, but it's not the password that you use

00:55:56.780 --> 00:55:58.840
for this. I cannot tell you how many times I

00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:05.559
get people help desking about, I can't log into

00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:10.840
my email. You're using your computer password.

00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:16.320
Yep. Yep. But I'm really grateful for those people

00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:18.340
because it means that they have more than one

00:56:18.340 --> 00:56:22.819
password. Yes, it does. Gotta applaud that. Anyway,

00:56:22.819 --> 00:56:24.320
there's a lot to it. So I guess the other thing

00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:25.960
that I didn't mention when we were talking about

00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:28.900
levels, when you're talking with Apple, the real

00:56:28.900 --> 00:56:33.340
foundation is business manager. There's a ton

00:56:33.340 --> 00:56:35.679
of features that you may or may not use, but

00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:37.760
you've got to get your devices in the business

00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.719
manager or getting them into a MDM is going to

00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.260
be difficult. Or even if you get it there, you're

00:56:45.260 --> 00:56:48.449
going to be hamstrung. That device is going to

00:56:48.449 --> 00:56:50.650
present as a personal -owned device and not a

00:56:50.650 --> 00:56:54.710
corporate -owned device. So we started down the

00:56:54.710 --> 00:57:00.429
Apple Business Manager route because it was a

00:57:00.429 --> 00:57:03.710
necessary evil for getting everything else done.

00:57:04.030 --> 00:57:08.329
Bring on the horror story, baby. So we start

00:57:08.329 --> 00:57:14.579
going. Number one, they've got a new thing called

00:57:14.579 --> 00:57:19.380
Apple Business Connect, which is like, you know

00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:23.900
how Google, in order to be represented correctly

00:57:23.900 --> 00:57:25.920
on Google Maps, you have to go through all the

00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:30.679
stuff with your Google profile. You have to own

00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:36.139
where you are. You have to own your domain, of

00:57:36.139 --> 00:57:39.210
course, but you have to own like. we are who

00:57:39.210 --> 00:57:41.530
like we are, where we say we are, we're who we

00:57:41.530 --> 00:57:44.230
say we are. I understand there's all kinds of

00:57:44.230 --> 00:57:47.869
really great reasons for that kind of security.

00:57:48.050 --> 00:57:55.489
Well, instead of, instead of leveraging somebody

00:57:55.489 --> 00:57:58.550
else's tool here, which I guess they did for

00:57:58.550 --> 00:58:01.150
a little while, Apple has now decided they're

00:58:01.150 --> 00:58:03.730
going to do their own, which is now this business

00:58:03.730 --> 00:58:06.630
connect thing. So you're connecting to where

00:58:06.630 --> 00:58:11.840
you are on there. uh map you're like all of it's

00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:15.980
separated now and it it's just kind of it's it's

00:58:15.980 --> 00:58:18.079
another headache and especially when it's called

00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:22.000
business connect and you've got business manager

00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:26.840
and for some reason i don't know if it was just

00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:30.820
when i started this process like they they acted

00:58:30.820 --> 00:58:32.820
like they like they don't have anything to do

00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:35.599
with each other yep um it was really a pain in

00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:40.630
the butt And so it's like they should tell you

00:58:40.630 --> 00:58:46.050
an order and they don't do that. So I'm doing

00:58:46.050 --> 00:58:48.590
all that at the same time. I'm also trying to

00:58:48.590 --> 00:58:51.670
do this. I'm doing all that and realizing this

00:58:51.670 --> 00:58:55.070
is not what I was. I didn't realize this is what

00:58:55.070 --> 00:58:57.889
I was spending my time on. So then I start trying

00:58:57.889 --> 00:59:00.630
to do the business manager stuff. And as I'm

00:59:00.630 --> 00:59:02.909
working through that and trying to like work

00:59:02.909 --> 00:59:06.599
through the. How would our organization leverage

00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:09.199
this? And is it like, how do I make sure that

00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:12.059
we've got the number correct to be able to do

00:59:12.059 --> 00:59:15.039
the management assignments and things like that?

00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:19.860
I'm getting these weird messages from, you know,

00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:23.260
on the profile for our business. And it's telling

00:59:23.260 --> 00:59:26.179
me that, you know, you got to do this in order

00:59:26.179 --> 00:59:28.179
to be verified and you got to verify this and

00:59:28.179 --> 00:59:29.539
you got to verify this and you got to verify

00:59:29.539 --> 00:59:32.639
this. And, you know, you're stepping through

00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.239
different parts of it. It's not like any of it

00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:37.860
is way too complicated. It's just like, you know,

00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:45.300
you've got to do your TXT file on your DNS for

00:59:45.300 --> 00:59:49.380
your domain. And, like, you're trying to figure

00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:53.179
out, like, you're telling it all this information

00:59:53.179 --> 00:59:58.400
about who you are. And, well, one of the weird.

00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.619
things. And again, like it wouldn't let me do

01:00:01.619 --> 01:00:05.320
tax information until I did all this other stuff,

01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.360
which I've got to make sure that that went through.

01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:11.219
But like in one of the verified processes, which,

01:00:11.260 --> 01:00:15.380
Oh yeah. The D the Dunn's number, the D. Yeah.

01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.139
The Dunn Dunn and Bradstreet. That was fun because

01:00:18.139 --> 01:00:20.679
we had already done all of that. And I knew we

01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:22.420
had done all of that. We did that when we were

01:00:22.420 --> 01:00:26.960
created, but like we. we had done all of this

01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.380
stuff but like because they call all of these

01:00:29.380 --> 01:00:31.780
things these different names you don't know if

01:00:31.780 --> 01:00:34.079
the organization id that they're asking for is

01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:37.460
that organization id or if it's one that apple

01:00:37.460 --> 01:00:41.320
has given you and so you're you're kind of floating

01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:45.780
through this in a very uh man the this is not

01:00:45.780 --> 01:00:49.500
well done no um and there was this one seemingly

01:00:49.500 --> 01:00:56.420
pretty innocuous uh request for They wanted me

01:00:56.420 --> 01:01:03.320
to put another employee of the church's information

01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:09.340
down in order to verify. And I was like, well,

01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:12.320
our executive pastor seems like who you would

01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:16.380
want to get to do that. And so I put his stuff

01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:18.260
down. I sent him a little message saying like,

01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:20.699
hey, just so you know, you should be getting

01:01:20.699 --> 01:01:26.280
a communication from them. Anyway, I'm doing

01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:30.559
that. That kind of feels very tangential. Didn't

01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:32.300
really think about it. And then I did all these

01:01:32.300 --> 01:01:36.960
other steps to walk through with trying to get

01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.820
to where we can manage devices that we have purchased.

01:01:41.179 --> 01:01:51.699
And then one day I get an email that says, you're

01:01:51.699 --> 01:01:53.980
just looking at your cup. I'm sorry. I'm sad.

01:01:55.690 --> 01:02:00.389
It's gone. All of it is gone. I'm sorry. I sidetracked

01:02:00.389 --> 01:02:04.150
your story. We get all the way through doing

01:02:04.150 --> 01:02:06.130
all this stuff, and actually I had kind of moved

01:02:06.130 --> 01:02:11.329
on to another project because until I was verified,

01:02:11.409 --> 01:02:12.690
there were a lot of things that I couldn't do,

01:02:12.750 --> 01:02:15.349
and it kept saying verification pending. So I

01:02:15.349 --> 01:02:18.789
was like, that's fine. I don't know what you're

01:02:18.789 --> 01:02:20.929
waiting for because there's nothing saying like,

01:02:20.969 --> 01:02:23.050
hey, this is the part that you've missed or anything

01:02:23.050 --> 01:02:25.489
like that. And then all of a sudden I get this

01:02:25.489 --> 01:02:28.929
email. We're on staff retreat. And it says your

01:02:28.929 --> 01:02:36.289
Apple account has been deactivated. And there's

01:02:36.289 --> 01:02:40.369
an email for that. There's an email for my email

01:02:40.369 --> 01:02:44.389
account has been deactivated by Apple, which

01:02:44.389 --> 01:02:46.590
is one of those like, yeah, you can't do that.

01:02:46.690 --> 01:02:49.250
But like, oh, I mean, it means that I can't sign

01:02:49.250 --> 01:02:52.090
in with that email. Correct. Cool. That's fine.

01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:56.320
And then our, our profile has been deactivated,

01:02:56.360 --> 01:02:58.500
like all of these things. And it like, it sent

01:02:58.500 --> 01:03:02.360
four different emails. And so I'm not like a

01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:06.739
freak out guy, but there was a little bit of

01:03:06.739 --> 01:03:09.400
me that was like, should I be worried right now?

01:03:09.460 --> 01:03:13.159
Like what, what exactly did I just miss? Yes.

01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:21.710
And so I did have that. So. did i like i lost

01:03:21.710 --> 01:03:24.989
everything like what worst case scenario i have

01:03:24.989 --> 01:03:28.070
to do this whole thing all over again the only

01:03:28.070 --> 01:03:32.590
thing that i can point to as i don't know if

01:03:32.590 --> 01:03:37.409
it got done right is that uh communication that

01:03:37.409 --> 01:03:40.590
they sent to our executive pastor which i don't

01:03:40.590 --> 01:03:42.090
even know like that could have been in his junk

01:03:42.090 --> 01:03:45.929
mail like sure i have no idea so the next time

01:03:45.929 --> 01:03:49.829
i did it We walked through all of that excitement

01:03:49.829 --> 01:03:56.030
and then put Chris's email on there. Chris, I

01:03:56.030 --> 01:04:00.010
know that you will make sure that this communication

01:04:00.010 --> 01:04:04.389
gets done even if it's not on an Apple device.

01:04:05.110 --> 01:04:07.949
Yes. Maybe because it's not done on an Apple

01:04:07.949 --> 01:04:12.230
device. Anyway, we get all the way through it

01:04:12.230 --> 01:04:16.349
and we're verified now. So it only took two times.

01:04:17.099 --> 01:04:21.360
From start to finish, I think it was two months.

01:04:21.659 --> 01:04:26.739
Yep. But now it's like making sure that we're

01:04:26.739 --> 01:04:29.539
pointed in the right direction before we actually

01:04:29.539 --> 01:04:33.139
pull the trigger on anything. Because right now

01:04:33.139 --> 01:04:35.840
I'm looking at 21 unmanaged Apple accounts found.

01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:41.300
I don't know what you mean by that. Unmanaged

01:04:41.300 --> 01:04:44.500
accounts? Mm -hmm. Which section do you see that

01:04:44.500 --> 01:04:52.840
in? Managed Apple accounts? Surely you have this.

01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:55.900
Well, it wouldn't let me into my one for the

01:04:55.900 --> 01:04:57.940
church, so I went into my one for Pine Cove.

01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:01.420
Okay. So I see subscription, activity, locations,

01:05:01.739 --> 01:05:05.199
users, groups, access management, devices, assignment

01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:07.739
history, and apps and books. So go down to your

01:05:07.739 --> 01:05:10.119
name at the bottom and then go to preferences.

01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:16.190
Okay. And you've got my profile then. Yep. And

01:05:16.190 --> 01:05:20.349
then down three below that is. Org settings?

01:05:20.949 --> 01:05:23.869
Nope. Managed Apple account. Yeah, managed Apple

01:05:23.869 --> 01:05:29.110
accounts. And this is, I think, where any. Oh.

01:05:30.349 --> 01:05:35.849
Yeah. Oh. User sign -in and directory sync. Oh.

01:05:37.550 --> 01:05:43.889
I couldn't. I got to do it. Unlimited power.

01:05:44.909 --> 01:05:48.210
I could totally do that. One click of a button.

01:05:49.210 --> 01:05:55.190
Domain capture. I got it all. What are you exactly

01:05:55.190 --> 01:06:01.110
getting all of? All of the 527 Apple accounts

01:06:01.110 --> 01:06:04.710
that have a ending of at pinecove .com, but were

01:06:04.710 --> 01:06:08.269
never created by our department. And it's like,

01:06:08.489 --> 01:06:12.719
click. Thank you. If that's like, hmm. So think

01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.539
back to all those. I have 21 of those. But think

01:06:15.539 --> 01:06:18.380
back to all those accounts that probably started

01:06:18.380 --> 01:06:20.340
with you, that you created. Oh, yeah, they absolutely

01:06:20.340 --> 01:06:24.300
did. iOS and a number at Blanco .com, IWS and

01:06:24.300 --> 01:06:26.880
a number at Blanco .com, and on and on and on

01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.800
and on and on. Oh, I did. I made so many because

01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:31.739
they wouldn't let us have more than five devices.

01:06:33.460 --> 01:06:36.000
Now I've got all kinds of stuff running in my

01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:40.250
head. Oof. I need to purge this so we can get

01:06:40.250 --> 01:06:42.590
back on task. I'm really sorry. That's okay.

01:06:42.610 --> 01:06:44.130
That's okay. I've got something to do tomorrow.

01:06:44.309 --> 01:06:47.809
There was a lot of work that I had to do there.

01:06:48.050 --> 01:06:52.369
Yes. No doubt. No doubt. Sorry about that. Okay.

01:06:52.409 --> 01:06:55.449
So you've got your Apple Business Manager all

01:06:55.449 --> 01:06:59.070
set up. You've moved into the modern. I wouldn't

01:06:59.070 --> 01:07:01.469
say all set up. Well, I mean, you've got it active.

01:07:02.210 --> 01:07:04.210
So you've got this. It's better than pending.

01:07:04.409 --> 01:07:08.179
It's better than pending. So help me. So help

01:07:08.179 --> 01:07:11.579
me. Where are you looking to go? Um, that's the

01:07:11.579 --> 01:07:17.079
thing is we gotta, we gotta figure out, um, are

01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:23.360
we going to, is this going to be our, um, authenticator

01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:25.699
or non authenticator, but our, like, is this

01:07:25.699 --> 01:07:28.539
going to be our directory? Is Google going to

01:07:28.539 --> 01:07:31.360
be our directory? Are we going to use a, um,

01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:36.219
Oh my gosh, who was the forerunner in my head

01:07:36.219 --> 01:07:43.809
for, The Unify piece? No, actually, Unify was

01:07:43.809 --> 01:07:52.789
the other option there. There was a company that

01:07:52.789 --> 01:08:00.710
I was like, oh, they do this well. Were they

01:08:00.710 --> 01:08:04.550
just identity? No, but I was going to use their

01:08:04.550 --> 01:08:08.559
identity offering. because they had it separate

01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:12.380
from everything else. And I kind of liked there

01:08:12.380 --> 01:08:16.180
for a minute there. It may have been Okta. Okay.

01:08:17.619 --> 01:08:21.560
Yeah. It may have been Okta. And, and the, the

01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:24.319
idea being like, if, if that part is separate,

01:08:24.380 --> 01:08:28.840
then I feel like it's not, if something changes,

01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:32.640
we don't have to go through the headache of redoing

01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:35.180
all of that. Yeah. So now you're getting into

01:08:35.180 --> 01:08:38.869
the argument of, Should your identity be separate

01:08:38.869 --> 01:08:40.829
from your mobile device management, be separate

01:08:40.829 --> 01:08:43.569
from your SSO so you don't have all your eggs

01:08:43.569 --> 01:08:46.949
in one basket? Yeah. Or do you put all your eggs

01:08:46.949 --> 01:08:50.609
in one basket because of the seamless integration?

01:08:51.010 --> 01:08:54.489
And seamless integration is great, but it seems

01:08:54.489 --> 01:08:58.710
like there are a lot of, again, like if you can

01:08:58.710 --> 01:09:01.109
find the companies that will work with other.

01:09:01.630 --> 01:09:04.850
people will work with other companies. Like that's,

01:09:04.850 --> 01:09:06.670
that's one of the things that I liked about Google

01:09:06.670 --> 01:09:12.810
is that gives you a little more freedom than

01:09:12.810 --> 01:09:17.229
if I had done, like if I had made Apple management

01:09:17.229 --> 01:09:20.909
the way that we do that, which I don't think

01:09:20.909 --> 01:09:25.010
that we are. But again, there are offerings now

01:09:25.010 --> 01:09:27.890
in all these different sectors for all these

01:09:27.890 --> 01:09:35.010
different Well, from what I remember about Okta,

01:09:35.149 --> 01:09:37.369
and I guess we'd have to see if it's still true,

01:09:37.590 --> 01:09:41.810
at one point when you were non -profit, they

01:09:41.810 --> 01:09:46.569
would give you up to 50 users for free. And so

01:09:46.569 --> 01:09:49.170
obviously for the church, that's advantageous.

01:09:49.670 --> 01:09:53.529
Because you're under that. It gives you room

01:09:53.529 --> 01:09:57.149
to grow. Now what I don't remember specifically,

01:09:57.449 --> 01:09:59.329
and we'd have to get clarification from them,

01:10:00.060 --> 01:10:05.119
is when you hit user number 51, is that when

01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:08.539
you start paying including user one through 50

01:10:08.539 --> 01:10:11.899
or is one through 50 always free? And then you

01:10:11.899 --> 01:10:14.920
would start paying at user number 51 and then

01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:16.920
go beyond that. That's a good question. That's

01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:18.699
the piece that I don't remember. It's been a

01:10:18.699 --> 01:10:21.600
while since I had that conversation with them,

01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:23.979
but I'm pretty confident you can have up to 50

01:10:23.979 --> 01:10:29.529
for free before. any cost would come into play

01:10:29.529 --> 01:10:32.649
for a nonprofit. And then you've got to look

01:10:32.649 --> 01:10:35.869
at, okay, so now who's going to be my MDM solution?

01:10:36.689 --> 01:10:39.569
Do you want to leverage Apple? It's a part that

01:10:39.569 --> 01:10:41.390
could be extended out of Apple Business Manager.

01:10:41.989 --> 01:10:49.069
Do you want somebody like a Jamf or like a, let's

01:10:49.069 --> 01:10:52.789
see, we looked at Miador. We looked at Kanji.

01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:58.439
There's another one that we looked at. Even JumpCloud,

01:10:58.539 --> 01:11:00.560
you could get just their mobile device management

01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:04.520
if you wanted it. And so if you're getting your

01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.300
identity for free, then you have a little bit

01:11:07.300 --> 01:11:10.180
more wiggle to pay what you want to get that

01:11:10.180 --> 01:11:16.359
better MDM. So you get some give and take there.

01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:20.140
Or do you look at somebody like a JumpCloud,

01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:22.909
which we... which we use and I, and I would vouch

01:11:22.909 --> 01:11:25.670
for it. Right. But you know that because they

01:11:25.670 --> 01:11:28.850
do identity, they do mobile device management,

01:11:28.930 --> 01:11:31.710
they do single sign on, they do zero trust. It's

01:11:31.710 --> 01:11:33.369
great that they have all those pieces. They all

01:11:33.369 --> 01:11:37.369
seamlessly integrate. Yes. Which is nice, which

01:11:37.369 --> 01:11:40.949
is Apple's whole model of come play in our playground

01:11:40.949 --> 01:11:43.250
and everything will just work. Right. But you

01:11:43.250 --> 01:11:46.710
do run the risk that if they got attacked, then

01:11:46.710 --> 01:11:48.470
you lose all, you could lose everything. Yeah.

01:11:49.340 --> 01:11:51.100
Thankfully, we haven't seen that happen. We've

01:11:51.100 --> 01:11:53.579
seen where this particular piece of the puzzle

01:11:53.579 --> 01:11:55.260
is having a problem, but it doesn't necessarily

01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:59.399
impact your ability to log on and do whatever

01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:03.500
you need to do. So it's nice that they've siloed

01:12:03.500 --> 01:12:06.680
those systems enough that one doesn't necessarily

01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:09.279
cause typically a cascading effect through the

01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:13.140
others. But the caveat to that is because they

01:12:13.140 --> 01:12:18.829
have all these pans in the fire, None of those

01:12:18.829 --> 01:12:22.390
offerings are as feature rich as somebody that

01:12:22.390 --> 01:12:25.770
that's all that they do. So there's give and

01:12:25.770 --> 01:12:27.550
take and you have to look at what are they capable

01:12:27.550 --> 01:12:31.069
of and does it meet what we need? And if it does,

01:12:31.229 --> 01:12:33.390
great. If it doesn't, okay, then I need to go

01:12:33.390 --> 01:12:38.270
get an NDM or whatever it may be that is more

01:12:38.270 --> 01:12:40.789
feature rich and gives me what I need from day

01:12:40.789 --> 01:12:45.229
one. Right. And I think that's the question is

01:12:45.229 --> 01:12:49.119
like how, I mean, I, I really wish, I really

01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:53.899
wish that my, my brain works better if I can

01:12:53.899 --> 01:12:56.739
tackle a project and then see it to completion

01:12:56.739 --> 01:13:00.800
or take a, take a task and see it to completion

01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.420
and like, or at least see it to like where I

01:13:04.420 --> 01:13:06.720
don't have to worry about it anymore. I don't

01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:11.279
do well with then having to like juggle on finished

01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:15.920
things. Correct. Um, I can do that like in a

01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:20.020
day. like trying to like have, I've had to do

01:13:20.020 --> 01:13:23.739
this thing with part of my job of trying to have

01:13:23.739 --> 01:13:25.880
multiple conversations happening at the same

01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:29.199
time over email. And you're trying to customer

01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:31.920
service for all of them. We all do stuff like

01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:34.119
that. That's probably the part of my job that

01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:38.420
drains me the most. And so the, the idea of being

01:13:38.420 --> 01:13:46.739
able to take the solution that gives me a win

01:13:46.739 --> 01:13:54.640
now and like throw it through its like finished

01:13:54.640 --> 01:14:00.520
pile stuff. That's really appealing to me. I

01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:02.899
don't think that that's actually the best way

01:14:02.899 --> 01:14:06.060
to do any of it. It seems like the diversification

01:14:06.060 --> 01:14:11.840
of those solutions, the diversification of those.

01:14:17.579 --> 01:14:21.680
Yeah, solutions of the offerings is a better

01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:27.399
idea in terms of both security and maneuverability

01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:34.500
in the future. Sure. But I'm done with this is

01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:37.920
really appealing right now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Especially

01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:39.779
if it's only part of your job that you're talking

01:14:39.779 --> 01:14:42.399
about. Yeah. And the driving force for us really

01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:46.699
came down to cost. You know, because I started

01:14:46.699 --> 01:14:49.159
looking at Okta when I was asked to get rid of

01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:52.560
Active Directory, which broke my heart. I still

01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:54.899
love Active Directory. I think it's still a great

01:14:54.899 --> 01:14:59.020
resource that could be expanded with some of

01:14:59.020 --> 01:15:02.060
these things that we're talking about. But, you

01:15:02.060 --> 01:15:03.520
know, I had to look at it. So I started with

01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:07.640
Okta. They, in my opinion, they are the best

01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:13.650
option out there in the identity. offerings.

01:15:13.650 --> 01:15:18.550
I mean, ping still makes a good solution. I'm

01:15:18.550 --> 01:15:20.630
going to draw blanks on some of the others. I

01:15:20.630 --> 01:15:24.489
should have done more show prep. So, but there's

01:15:24.489 --> 01:15:25.989
a ton of, there's a bunch of different ones out

01:15:25.989 --> 01:15:29.149
there, but Okta, I really zeroed in on them,

01:15:29.250 --> 01:15:32.390
went through, saw all what they had to offer.

01:15:32.649 --> 01:15:35.729
You know, I did look at ping and one login and

01:15:35.729 --> 01:15:38.630
some of the others that exist. And I really kept

01:15:38.630 --> 01:15:42.909
coming back. to Okta because they're, I guess

01:15:42.909 --> 01:15:44.350
they technically give you a little bit more than

01:15:44.350 --> 01:15:46.789
just identity. They also have bring in the single

01:15:46.789 --> 01:15:52.250
sign on and their single sign on the depth of

01:15:52.250 --> 01:15:56.989
what they've built out is unbelievable. Yeah.

01:15:57.609 --> 01:16:01.170
Heads above the other players in the market,

01:16:01.189 --> 01:16:03.430
in my opinion. And so to be able to bring those

01:16:03.430 --> 01:16:06.689
pieces together and I got what I thought was

01:16:06.689 --> 01:16:08.880
a fair price. I'm like, this is actually not

01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:11.180
bad for the number of users that I need. And

01:16:11.180 --> 01:16:13.979
it's like, okay, now let me go see. Okay, I already

01:16:13.979 --> 01:16:17.619
know what I'm paying for Jam for MDM. Okay, now

01:16:17.619 --> 01:16:19.520
I got to bring in Windows and I got to bring

01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:23.720
in Android. What am I looking at? And got those

01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.079
numbers and it's like, oh, that's a little rough.

01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.619
And so then, you know, we get, say, hey, you

01:16:28.619 --> 01:16:31.079
need to look at JumpCloud. And we look at it

01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:32.819
and they bring all these pieces to the table.

01:16:33.619 --> 01:16:36.989
And for what was just the cost of Okta. they're

01:16:36.989 --> 01:16:39.710
giving me all the other pieces of the puzzle.

01:16:39.930 --> 01:16:42.590
And it's like, hold on, time out. Where's the

01:16:42.590 --> 01:16:48.050
catch here? What am I missing? Where's the fine

01:16:48.050 --> 01:16:51.069
print? Where's the little red tape that I overlooked?

01:16:51.529 --> 01:16:53.550
And you get into it and you just come to the

01:16:53.550 --> 01:16:58.010
realization that not all of the MDM is as built

01:16:58.010 --> 01:17:00.989
out as what Jamf would have, but Jamf is all

01:17:00.989 --> 01:17:04.329
they've ever done is Mac forever. Not as strong

01:17:04.329 --> 01:17:08.069
as... a mobile iron, but all mobile iron has

01:17:08.069 --> 01:17:11.470
ever done is MDM for devices. And then you go,

01:17:11.590 --> 01:17:13.149
okay, well, let's look at their single sign -on.

01:17:13.430 --> 01:17:15.850
They have most of the major pieces that I need.

01:17:16.130 --> 01:17:17.770
There's a few things that may still need some

01:17:17.770 --> 01:17:19.979
time to develop. So it's like, okay. That's where

01:17:19.979 --> 01:17:22.699
you see they have all these offerings, and typically

01:17:22.699 --> 01:17:25.119
they have just enough to give you what you need.

01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:27.880
And then you can see that some things are on

01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:30.300
the roadmap for the future. And so you have to

01:17:30.300 --> 01:17:32.600
start that evaluation of can I make this work?

01:17:32.859 --> 01:17:36.479
Am I hamstringing myself? Are there some third

01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:40.859
-party tools that I can bring in to extend some

01:17:40.859 --> 01:17:46.340
of the mobile device config? And there are. The

01:17:46.340 --> 01:17:48.979
Mac side of it, there's iMazing. I don't know

01:17:48.979 --> 01:17:51.239
if you've ever seen that one. I have, yeah. You

01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:55.840
can use that to build out the basic config that

01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:58.920
you need. And we also had the luxury of having

01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:01.420
Jamf before, so we exported all of those mobile

01:18:01.420 --> 01:18:05.399
configs. And you can get them in an XML format,

01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:09.180
and you can read XML and go, oh, okay, I need

01:18:09.180 --> 01:18:11.800
to do this, this, this, this, and this. And then

01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:15.130
we were able to leverage that. as an IT department

01:18:15.130 --> 01:18:18.250
and go, okay, so these are the applications I'm

01:18:18.250 --> 01:18:20.210
allowing. This is what I'm saying should be on

01:18:20.210 --> 01:18:23.670
the dock. Okay, I can now modify that, but I've

01:18:23.670 --> 01:18:27.909
got to go find the com .apple .whatever that

01:18:27.909 --> 01:18:31.449
is the package name for the application. Okay,

01:18:31.569 --> 01:18:33.350
I've got that package name. I can plug that in.

01:18:33.449 --> 01:18:35.430
I can modify it. Now I have a whole new config.

01:18:35.909 --> 01:18:40.130
Here, you can go be on this device. So there's

01:18:40.130 --> 01:18:42.489
some of that that would come into play. And thankfully,

01:18:42.569 --> 01:18:45.270
once we got the main ones that we needed, we

01:18:45.270 --> 01:18:47.329
haven't had to worry about spinning our wheels

01:18:47.329 --> 01:18:52.449
on that. Whereas if you had a Jamf, it's all

01:18:52.449 --> 01:18:54.489
feature -rich. It's all built out. It's all GUI

01:18:54.489 --> 01:18:56.350
-based. You just say, I want this application.

01:18:56.670 --> 01:18:58.569
This is where I want it to go. And it builds

01:18:58.569 --> 01:19:01.930
out that mobile config file for you, and you

01:19:01.930 --> 01:19:04.430
don't have to worry about it. But there's a premium

01:19:04.430 --> 01:19:06.789
that comes with having that level of feature

01:19:06.789 --> 01:19:11.329
built out. And that's... And that's where the

01:19:11.329 --> 01:19:14.430
rub is. Because you've got a budget, you've got

01:19:14.430 --> 01:19:16.710
to stay within the budget, but you've got to

01:19:16.710 --> 01:19:18.670
find the best solution that you can put together

01:19:18.670 --> 01:19:22.510
for the church that doesn't break the bank, that

01:19:22.510 --> 01:19:26.189
also doesn't compromise on security, and doesn't

01:19:26.189 --> 01:19:27.970
compromise on the pieces that makes you feel

01:19:27.970 --> 01:19:30.649
like you've got to stay up all night long hacking

01:19:30.649 --> 01:19:34.210
something together. Right. And that's important.

01:19:34.550 --> 01:19:39.779
It is. I was trying to figure that out. How do

01:19:39.779 --> 01:19:46.119
I not devote all of my time to this thing that's

01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:49.060
supposed to be saving me time? Correct. And you

01:19:49.060 --> 01:19:50.779
know on the front end, there's going to be some

01:19:50.779 --> 01:19:54.180
heavy lifting to get it off the ground, to get

01:19:54.180 --> 01:19:56.979
it functional. Okay, I have it rolling. Now it

01:19:56.979 --> 01:19:59.640
should just be maintaining. At some point it

01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:01.779
has to turn into maintenance. Yes. And that's

01:20:01.779 --> 01:20:05.560
important because not everything turns into maintenance.

01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:09.060
Seems like a lot of things are not maintenance.

01:20:09.300 --> 01:20:12.939
No, they just keep coming back. Yeah. So dad

01:20:12.939 --> 01:20:21.199
comment. Anyway, it's a lot. It is. Um, you wanted

01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:23.239
to say something to the end of the, yeah, uh,

01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:26.640
we'll call this the, uh, the last call. So, you

01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:29.779
know, that I've been to some numbers and been

01:20:29.779 --> 01:20:32.560
checking analytics on the show and kind of watching

01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:34.500
things and like, Oh, okay. That's interesting.

01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:37.779
And rss .com gives us that, and we can kind of

01:20:37.779 --> 01:20:41.260
see downloads per show. We can kind of go into

01:20:41.260 --> 01:20:43.399
an individual show and see, okay, these are the

01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:45.560
countries that it's being downloaded from. That's

01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:49.619
intriguing. Thank you. Yes. Australia. For finally

01:20:49.619 --> 01:20:52.760
closing the loop. Yes. So we've hit all the major

01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:55.840
continents that people typically live on. Obviously,

01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:58.579
we haven't gotten Antarctica, but they also don't

01:20:58.579 --> 01:21:01.939
have Antarctica on their map. We've hit all of

01:21:01.939 --> 01:21:05.159
it, you know, including the one off of, I believe

01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:08.500
that's Greenland. Because I think Greenland is

01:21:08.500 --> 01:21:11.460
the big one that's nothing but ice. And Iceland

01:21:11.460 --> 01:21:14.819
is the smaller green one that actually has vegetation.

01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:17.960
Pleasant to be around. Yes. It's funny how they

01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:20.890
name those. The way that they did. It's like,

01:21:20.930 --> 01:21:24.430
hey, don't come over here. This is Iceland. You

01:21:24.430 --> 01:21:28.109
want to go over to Greenland. But we can see

01:21:28.109 --> 01:21:31.090
countries where things are coming from. And that's

01:21:31.090 --> 01:21:34.329
great, especially if you like numbers and you

01:21:34.329 --> 01:21:38.050
want to be trying to look for patterns and going,

01:21:38.130 --> 01:21:41.949
okay, we named the show this. We use these tags

01:21:41.949 --> 01:21:46.239
on a show. Can I find some correlations? Between

01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:48.119
what works and what doesn't. Yeah, these tags

01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:50.079
seem to work better. These types of titles seem

01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:54.119
to work better. And I haven't found it yet, but

01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:59.520
whatever. But in the beginning, we then also

01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:03.539
added what's called OP3 Project, which is a small

01:22:03.539 --> 01:22:07.539
stream that gets added to our RSS feed, which

01:22:07.539 --> 01:22:11.079
offloads our... basically our downloads and locations

01:22:11.079 --> 01:22:14.600
of that nature to a company that is open source

01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:17.340
and they're very transparent in what they do

01:22:17.340 --> 01:22:20.619
and how they do. Okay. So in the beginning they

01:22:20.619 --> 01:22:24.899
made it look like rss .com was padding because

01:22:24.899 --> 01:22:28.619
they were showing way low numbers compared to

01:22:28.619 --> 01:22:32.939
rss .com. And it's like, okay, well maybe there's

01:22:32.939 --> 01:22:36.020
something going on where the hosting companies

01:22:36.020 --> 01:22:40.579
want you. To see everything. And eventually what

01:22:40.579 --> 01:22:43.479
happened, RSS .com did make a change. And they're

01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:45.640
like, okay, it's pretty clear that these are...

01:22:46.029 --> 01:22:48.970
bots that are downloading or this is apple coming

01:22:48.970 --> 01:22:51.770
along and scraping something in or it's spotify

01:22:51.770 --> 01:22:54.210
or it's amazon and so they made some adjustments

01:22:54.210 --> 01:22:56.670
to their numbers okay to where you can go okay

01:22:56.670 --> 01:22:59.270
these we are going to say are your actual unique

01:22:59.270 --> 01:23:02.989
downloads and this down here is if you wanted

01:23:02.989 --> 01:23:07.229
to see the bot total yeah but consistently rss

01:23:07.229 --> 01:23:11.909
.com has showed more downloads okay op3 okay

01:23:11.909 --> 01:23:16.130
but for some reason on the most recent show It's

01:23:16.130 --> 01:23:21.989
flipped. So when I go to rss .com, then it's

01:23:21.989 --> 01:23:24.329
not a major flip, but I've never seen it be this

01:23:24.329 --> 01:23:27.810
way ever. Shoot the Breeze, the most recent show,

01:23:27.970 --> 01:23:31.510
rss .com says we've got 13 unique downloads.

01:23:32.050 --> 01:23:35.510
Okay. Like, okay, that's consistent. It's only

01:23:35.510 --> 01:23:38.050
been two weeks. No big deal. Right. We'll see

01:23:38.050 --> 01:23:39.890
if we get our little bump that we typically do

01:23:39.890 --> 01:23:42.250
that ramps it up a little bit. Yeah. But then

01:23:42.250 --> 01:23:47.140
I go to op3 .com. And they're like, oh, you've

01:23:47.140 --> 01:23:49.979
got 17. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait,

01:23:49.979 --> 01:23:53.460
wait, wait. You get the same thing that rss .com

01:23:53.460 --> 01:23:57.560
gets. And you've always said, no, rss .com is

01:23:57.560 --> 01:23:59.199
probably inflating your numbers a little bit

01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:01.659
based off of what we're seeing because they both

01:24:01.659 --> 01:24:04.939
are supposed to be getting the same downloads.

01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:08.180
So numbers should be identical. They never have

01:24:08.180 --> 01:24:11.720
been. But now it's flipped the other way. And

01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:15.090
I'm like, so why does OP3, say that we have more

01:24:15.090 --> 01:24:20.930
downloads than rss .com uh what yeah and i'm

01:24:20.930 --> 01:24:23.529
like it's minor it's no big deal it's only off

01:24:23.529 --> 01:24:28.010
by four but op3 has always been fewer so like

01:24:28.010 --> 01:24:29.890
you go back just to give it a couple of examples

01:24:29.890 --> 01:24:32.229
so we don't drag the show out too long that's

01:24:32.229 --> 01:24:35.550
great um go back to the previous show they're

01:24:35.550 --> 01:24:39.869
relatively close 33 it's the magic number rss

01:24:39.869 --> 01:24:46.310
.com has 52 And OP3 has 51. That's pretty, that's

01:24:46.310 --> 01:24:48.510
kind of what I would expect. And you go back

01:24:48.510 --> 01:24:51.430
to the show before that. Back in my days, got

01:24:51.430 --> 01:24:54.810
a whopping 10 downloads from rss .com. Whopping.

01:24:55.010 --> 01:24:56.949
I know, man. Good thing we're not trying to do

01:24:56.949 --> 01:24:59.970
this for money. Goodness. And then, well, actually,

01:24:59.989 --> 01:25:02.529
that's intriguing. I go back to OP3 and they

01:25:02.529 --> 01:25:07.050
show 11. So one more, but okay. No big deal.

01:25:07.149 --> 01:25:10.569
And you go, let's go back a couple more. RSS

01:25:10.569 --> 01:25:13.770
.com for non -alcoholic analog versus digital.

01:25:14.470 --> 01:25:18.890
I'm trying to remember what... RSS .com for non

01:25:18.890 --> 01:25:22.029
-alcoholic versus digital. What was non -alcoholic

01:25:22.029 --> 01:25:27.710
versus... Oh! You got... You ended up with a

01:25:27.710 --> 01:25:30.229
non -alcoholic beer. Yeah, that happened. Yeah,

01:25:30.250 --> 01:25:34.130
it did. And then the previous one before that,

01:25:34.289 --> 01:25:36.750
and this is where I expected us to get a cease

01:25:36.750 --> 01:25:39.069
and desist, but we didn't. Because it was our

01:25:39.069 --> 01:25:42.149
30th episode, I did the 30 for 30. And at that

01:25:42.149 --> 01:25:43.989
point in time, we talked about mobile device

01:25:43.989 --> 01:25:47.729
management as well. That one had 37. So I go

01:25:47.729 --> 01:25:52.689
to OP3. Back in my days, shows 11, so it's a

01:25:52.689 --> 01:25:59.090
couple bit more. And analog versus digital. Is

01:25:59.090 --> 01:26:01.569
that right? Well, that's intriguing. I don't

01:26:01.569 --> 01:26:06.460
know how I missed that. The 30 for 30, rss .com

01:26:06.460 --> 01:26:12.220
says 37. Oh, no, there it is. It's 41. 41. So

01:26:12.220 --> 01:26:13.779
I guess I need to go back and look at some of

01:26:13.779 --> 01:26:15.380
my numbers. I'm talking myself out of my own

01:26:15.380 --> 01:26:17.979
argument as we go here. That's weird. But it's

01:26:17.979 --> 01:26:20.859
weird to see these discrepancies. Right. Because

01:26:20.859 --> 01:26:24.279
every download that rss .com sees, OP3 should

01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:27.359
see. And for the most part, OP3 has always been

01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.739
a little bit less. And so you're kind of getting

01:26:29.739 --> 01:26:33.079
into... okay, how are you guys actually calculating

01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:36.680
your numbers? And maybe that's the biggest thing

01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:42.020
here. But I love OP3. They give you a little

01:26:42.020 --> 01:26:45.720
bit more detail. You can look at some of your

01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.319
historical a little bit more. You can actually

01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:50.479
download it, which is great, so you can maintain

01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:52.479
your historical numbers if you want to see it.

01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:55.819
So all that to say, there's some shenanigans

01:26:55.819 --> 01:26:58.399
going on in the downloads. I don't know what

01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:01.539
that means. I don't know who's doing what or

01:27:01.539 --> 01:27:06.119
where. But for me, it comes back to, if you remember,

01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:09.739
the Apple apocalypse when they changed the downloads.

01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:12.560
Yeah, that was really weird. And everybody got

01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:14.460
freaked out. And everybody kind of got to see

01:27:14.460 --> 01:27:17.180
a little bit behind the curtain. Behind the curtain.

01:27:17.180 --> 01:27:19.680
Of like, oh. And behind the curtain is messy.

01:27:19.939 --> 01:27:22.699
Yes, it is. Yeah. Yes, it is. And so a lot of

01:27:22.699 --> 01:27:24.720
people lost a lot of money because of that move.

01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:27.760
Did not like that. But at least. I understand

01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:30.640
why Apple did what they did. But yeah, that changed

01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:33.659
a whole lot. And so as I continue to look at

01:27:33.659 --> 01:27:35.960
this, I'm kind of going, someone's fudging numbers

01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:39.220
somewhere. And it's not making me money. No.

01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:40.880
So I don't know what they're doing. Holy cow.

01:27:41.380 --> 01:27:45.560
Yeah. We're not doing this for that. No, this

01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:47.920
is not an exit strategy. This is just for fun.

01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:50.619
Chance to hang out, excuse to drink beer. That's

01:27:50.619 --> 01:27:53.520
right. And I will always take both of those.

01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:57.489
Absolutely. Absolutely. So, well. I may have

01:27:57.489 --> 01:27:59.569
gone off the rails on that one and kind of talked

01:27:59.569 --> 01:28:01.970
myself out of my own argument. I mean, I understand,

01:28:02.029 --> 01:28:04.649
though, that there's a lot of there's a lot of

01:28:04.649 --> 01:28:08.630
the discrepancy is there. It's trying to figure

01:28:08.630 --> 01:28:10.649
out why it's moving in one direction or another

01:28:10.649 --> 01:28:14.029
is kind of a different thing. But that makes

01:28:14.029 --> 01:28:17.789
sense. Yeah. Now, let the public shaming begin.

01:28:18.750 --> 01:28:21.390
Yes. Jason, I don't know what the deal is. Oh,

01:28:21.390 --> 01:28:24.270
here we go, folks. We got we got no messages

01:28:24.270 --> 01:28:28.140
from you for like no boosts. Two episodes here?

01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:32.140
At least. Maybe three. I guess we can't call

01:28:32.140 --> 01:28:35.520
it the Jason Court segment anymore. Jason Court

01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:38.239
segment is officially retired. It's open for

01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:39.960
somebody else who wants to swoop in and start

01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:41.119
making donations. Anybody who wants to just,

01:28:41.220 --> 01:28:46.000
you know, give us some information about the

01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:50.279
world and how they see it. If you're not using

01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:53.359
a podcasting 2 .0 compliant app, you need to

01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:57.479
be there. Yeah, why not? New podcast apps. That's

01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:01.359
new, not nude. Oh, please don't. Well, I heard

01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:03.220
that in my ear and I'm like, I may have slurred

01:29:03.220 --> 01:29:06.300
that a little bit. Okay. So new any W podcast

01:29:06.300 --> 01:29:11.039
apps .com. Go get one. Lots of great options

01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:16.020
for multiple platforms. Get plugged in. Then

01:29:16.020 --> 01:29:17.880
you get more information about the show, like

01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:20.359
whatever show you're listening. Yes. And eventually

01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:22.100
before the year's out, we're going to go live.

01:29:22.420 --> 01:29:23.680
It's going to be great. And you're going to need

01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:26.029
a 2 .0 app. to be a part of that. That's true.

01:29:26.090 --> 01:29:27.810
You're going to get a notification that says

01:29:27.810 --> 01:29:32.050
we're live. Come listen. You tap the button.

01:29:32.229 --> 01:29:34.890
It brings you right into the live stream. Don't

01:29:34.890 --> 01:29:36.869
worry. We'll let you know from our social media.

01:29:39.210 --> 01:29:41.890
Oh, he just threw his own self under the bus.

01:29:41.989 --> 01:29:45.489
Go follow us on our social medias. Yes. To, you

01:29:45.489 --> 01:29:47.329
know, we're going to have to ramp that up to

01:29:47.329 --> 01:29:52.789
make the live pay off. I mean, sure. So, so for

01:29:52.789 --> 01:29:57.930
speaking of live, Michelle is potentially, and

01:29:57.930 --> 01:30:02.569
I think she's confirmed it, end of week nine,

01:30:02.609 --> 01:30:05.050
beginning of week 10, she's going to be on a

01:30:05.050 --> 01:30:11.409
mission trip to Africa. To Mexico? To Mexico.

01:30:11.970 --> 01:30:15.649
No, she's going to Africa. I'm blanking on which

01:30:15.649 --> 01:30:18.130
country. I can get back to you on that. But I

01:30:18.130 --> 01:30:21.149
want to try to use that as my window to do some

01:30:21.149 --> 01:30:25.390
experimentation with life. But I'm going to link

01:30:25.390 --> 01:30:28.649
it into our feed. So those of you that are out

01:30:28.649 --> 01:30:31.670
there that don't have the app, get in on it because

01:30:31.670 --> 01:30:36.090
you may get some interesting activity as I'm

01:30:36.090 --> 01:30:37.689
trying to figure this out. Interesting activity

01:30:37.689 --> 01:30:39.989
is a great way to put that. And hopefully you

01:30:39.989 --> 01:30:41.949
don't hear any choice words where I don't think

01:30:41.949 --> 01:30:43.810
it's working and it's working. Yeah, that would

01:30:43.810 --> 01:30:48.289
be funny. But, I mean, also very real. Yes. But

01:30:48.289 --> 01:30:50.829
I do want to try to leverage that. So there's

01:30:50.829 --> 01:30:52.430
probably a couple of days there that I might

01:30:52.430 --> 01:30:56.829
actually take off so I can focus on that because

01:30:56.829 --> 01:30:58.949
Garrett will be working. I'll be dropping off

01:30:58.949 --> 01:31:02.010
Tori at Flags. And then it'll just be me and

01:31:02.010 --> 01:31:05.390
the cats. So it's a great time to get in there,

01:31:05.449 --> 01:31:08.319
start experimenting with live. Try to figure

01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:10.340
it out. And I got a guy that's a resource because

01:31:10.340 --> 01:31:12.619
he always is complaining that people don't come

01:31:12.619 --> 01:31:14.800
to him. And he would love for them to because

01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:17.739
he's experienced it. He's seen it. Just come

01:31:17.739 --> 01:31:20.319
to me and I'll help you out. So I remember that

01:31:20.319 --> 01:31:22.699
when I get stuck, I'll be reaching out to him.

01:31:22.979 --> 01:31:27.819
I like it. All right. So there we go, folks.

01:31:28.739 --> 01:31:34.619
Very excited about what's coming and also excited

01:31:34.619 --> 01:31:39.460
to go to sleep now. Just me? Okay. You need one

01:31:39.460 --> 01:31:40.779
more bottle. One more bottle. It'll help you

01:31:40.779 --> 01:31:45.180
drift off. I mean, the place is just around the

01:31:45.180 --> 01:31:48.420
corner. Yes, it is. And they close in about 30

01:31:48.420 --> 01:31:50.760
minutes. All right, we got to go. See you, folks.

01:31:51.020 --> 01:32:17.500
See you. Bye. Bye. And we will much about that

01:32:17.500 --> 01:32:22.319
be committed. So there's no real conflict. Michael

01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:46.220
Drew Nisky. Drew Neat. People don't want to have

01:32:46.220 --> 01:32:49.960
their social security overall. The Republican

01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:55.079
savior. Mark Rubio's big night in evolution and

01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:57.859
Galileo. I mean, this whole thing of Galileo.

01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:03.079
America's changed, uh, changed. Unless, uh, I

01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.319
.T. and Skillet's President Putin doing something

01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:09.619
similar back in... It won't change this fundamental

01:33:09.619 --> 01:33:14.000
fact about the GOP. Just how absurd these attacks

01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:18.300
is. Nearly six months after the dangerous traffic

01:33:18.300 --> 01:33:22.140
jam, the Thai military says, my friend for many

01:33:22.140 --> 01:33:27.000
years, there's nothing there.