Hey, John, how you doing? Good. How are you,
Chris? Good, good. A little different leading
the intro. Yeah, I was like, he just jumped right
in there. Here we go, folks. I love it. That's
great. Yep. Tonight is a sentimental episode
for me. This is sentimental. Yes, this is our
33rd episode. Oh, hey. That's a special number
for me. Yeah. Ever since I was a little kid.
33. I've always noticed it. Okay. Now, I understand.
It's all in my head. I get it. Who cares? So,
but I always see it everywhere. What's the, um,
I was probably Harry Potter. I was hoping it
was a Tolkien or, uh, not Tolkien Lewis that
does the, that is the, um, is, is this real or
is it happening in my head? I think I know what
you're talking about. And then I think, I think
it's Harry Potter. I think Rowling, um, Wrote
it, and then I believe it's Dumbledore that answers.
Of course it's happening in your head. What does
that have to do with whether or not it's real?
Yeah. Or something like that? And I was like,
okay. Kaboom. Y 'all hear that? We have some
sound effects tonight that is not brought to
you by us. No, but they are all natural sound
effects. All natural. Yes. So this is 33. 33,
yes. So a couple examples for me, when I was
in high school, went to Best Buy, bought some
really nice Sony speakers. Serial number ended
in 33. Really? Got my first bank account. It
ended in 33. I've had credit cards and debit
cards. They end in 33. It just kind of keeps
happening. It's everywhere. So to me, tonight
is a special show, number 33. The Chris Kincaid
show. where Chris is just going to talk the entire
time, and I'm going to sit here and look at him.
I don't know about that. I kind of got my talking
out today during chapel. Did you talk during
chapel? Very briefly. Jacob and I did a presentation.
And just kind of like, hey, here's the things
that we've been working on for summer. And so
we stood in front of the group and shared four
or five different things. Like what? We talked
about how we're leveraging QR codes now. Oh,
geez. This brand new technology. Let me tell
you. You would appreciate this. You walk up to
an AV booth and there's a QR code that you scan.
That QR code takes you to a document that tells
you everything you could ever want to know about
every piece of gear. How it works, how you should
use it, and there's even a link to a video. of
it actually being used. Okay, I'm jealous now.
Yes. How long did that take you to make? Well,
that wasn't me. That was all Jason Court. Well,
sure. How long did that take him to make? He
is still in progress on some of the documentation.
I bet he is. But all of the QR codes have all
been printed, took hours for all those to print,
but they've all been put in place. And so by
the time the rest of our staff show up and they'll
be hitting the ground on the 12th, it'll be ready.
Yeah, I'm going to steal that. Yes, it's a good
use of it. And what you don't have is the 3D
printer, though. That's true. I don't. We did
leverage the 3D printer for the plate. So we
discussed that. We discussed Ethan, who's our
new hire, who starts on the 12th. Okay. We showed
a before and after of the Cryer Creek main office
endpoint. You remember that one that was stuffed
in the cabinets? I'm sorry. Hold on. Let me.
Backtrack. Real old school Cryer Creek office.
The house. The house, yes. So when you would
walk into that little kitchenette area, cabinets
were on the left when you walked in. Yes. And
all that gear was stuck in that cabinet. Yeah,
in the cabinet. No ventilation. Not an actual
rack. Not a rack in any way. So we went in and
we yanked all that equipment out. rerouted fiber
into a real rack, put in some additional switching,
cable management. Any fans in? No, it didn't
need it. I mean, there's no black magic gear,
so you're fine. Yes. But we showed before and
after of that. What else did we? It was like
a little show and tell. Yeah, basically, yeah.
That's great. There's one other that Jacob discussed,
and I'm drawing a blank on it. But yeah, we did
a small, maybe five, ten minute thing in front
of people kind of talking about what we've been
doing. And Ruthie made cookies? No, Ruthie was
not there. I mean, I would have been disappointed.
IT's talking, Ruthie's not here. Yeah, then there's
no cookies. And no cupcakes. What's even the
point? That's fantastic. Yeah. I'm tired. Right
now, because we just cooked a lot of burgers
and hot dogs for everybody at the church, and
I stood longer than I realized I was standing.
Well, probably could have used some better shoes.
Hey, man, don't hate on my chacos. I'm just saying
for your standing comfort. Yeah, no, that's probably
true. I don't wear them as much as I used to,
so I really do notice when I put them on now.
I bet. Ouch. Goodness. Hey, what are we drinking?
We have a new one for the show. I don't think
it's new for either of us. No. I need a little
more light to try to read that blurb. Oh, there
you go. Yeah. So we have the Founders KBS, an
imperial stout aged in bourbon barrels. I actually
can't remember the last time I had this, but
it's 12%, so I'm going to be going slow. It's
a good one. So the official blurb. You know what?
I'm drinking this out of the bottle. That's fine.
We've got the opener too. I tried to lean over
and my back was like, no, you're not. You're
not going to grab that mug. It's hell getting
old, isn't it? All right, here we go. The beard.
It taught us that patience truly is a virtue.
This big, bold Imperial stout is brewed with
the premium chocolate and coffee. then aged in
bourbon barrels that introduce powerful notes
of vanilla, cocoa, or cocoa, however you want
to pronounce that one, and charred oak. KBS is
a luxuriant. Ooh, that's a big fancy word. Yeah,
that's an SAT word right there. Yeah, it is.
Full -body drinking experience that emanates,
right? Yep, emanates. That's what that says.
Sophistication while honoring our craft beer
roots. See, there at the end, they lost me because
they were just trying to sound like they're not
drinking beer. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. It was definitely cocoa. For the
heck of it, it was bottled on January 21st of
this year. Not too shabby. I was noticing, though.
I don't think I had ever noticed the chocolate
and coffee on the label. That is kind of a standard,
I think, for most stouts. Everybody's like, hints
of coffee and chocolate. So it's a stout. Yes.
You can already smell it. That's not bad. Okay.
Cheers. Cheers. Yeah. No, that's what I needed
for sure. A little bit of. Bitter on the side
of the tongue. Nothing bad. No, it's not like
it's not overpowering. You're still tasting them.
And I think that's the like I OK. So I didn't
really taste the coffee until I just inhaled.
And I think that's kind of that bitterness on
the side of the tongue is is kind of I mean,
that's a coffee. Yeah. I think it's more bitter
to me now than it normally is because I just
finished Dr. Pepper. Maybe just a little bit.
So I'm not tasting a whole lot of chocolate,
if you know what I mean. No one's hating on you
for Dr. Pepper. Oh, my gosh. I drank so many
while we were cooking. My dad came up early and
was hanging out. I didn't know if we were going
to need because Jeff was going to run late. I
didn't know if I was going to need to be running
back and forth or if I could cook. But Cody was
going to cook. Sorry, these are people that we
know, but everybody else doesn't. Sorry about
that. But anyway, a bunch of guys. And my dad
showed up because I asked him to. He's the one
who taught me how to cook burgers. So I was like,
I know he's going to do it the same way I'm going
to do it. It was delicious, by the way. I wish
that there had been leftovers. I would have brought
you some. But we'll talk about it later. But
the whole time we were out there, I was like,
I just want a beer. But I drank a whole bunch
of these Dr. Peppers. And I was like, Dad, you
want a Dr. Pepper? He's like, no, I'll have one
when I eat my burger. And I was like, so. Like
not one now and just one when you're eating your
burger. What is that? Like you don't, you're
saying that you're only going to, you can have
one now. Like I've got enough. You can have one
now. And when you eat your burger and he's like,
he patted his tummy, which looks a lot like mine.
Um, maybe a little bit bigger. And he was like,
yeah, I've been doing that for a long time. So
I need to not cutting back. One's not going to
hurt. Yeah. But now we're drinking beer. Yeah,
we are. Seems like the storm has eased up a little
bit too. Yeah, I was like, did it just get quieter
in here? Oh, it's because there's not a low rumble
anymore. Correct. I mean, it has been going,
I don't know, since 4 o 'clock today. Maybe right
at 3 .30 or so. I mean, it's been a while. Yeah,
we've still got a queue. We have a few places
in camp that are still without power. Really?
Yeah, that's been kind of nice on these new battery
backups that we've been rolling out. They have
the cloud management card. So you can see. Yeah,
we get feedback in real time on what's going
on. So we're not sitting there going, hey, ops
guys, is there a power outage at this camp? We
already know, and so it's kind of nice. I know.
I already know. Yeah, I should do something about
that because that would be great to know. most
of the time I'm just like, Oh, I can't hit anything
anymore. So, yep. You know, I will say I don't
get a lot of the bourbon in the KVS. Um, I think
it's, um, kind of back of the throat. You know
what I mean? Um, it's the, it's the, it's the
syrupy ness to it to me because bourbon to me,
um, I always laughed at, um, paul a friend of
ours whenever he would talk about whiskey or
bourbon being sweet because it's never tasted
sweet to me you know you get a whole lot of fire
i guess is what i taste mostly but i mean i get
it when when you have bourbon flavored things
or bourbon you know there's like a mixture and
bourbon as part of the notes of it that it's
kind of a sweet almost syrupy -ness to it, which,
again, can be great or it can be not your favorite
thing. But this is delicious and not very heavy
for a porter. Correct. Now, I can tell you, if
we get into this one, the bourbon is strong.
The bourbon is strong with this one. Yes, it
is. It is strong. Okay, I just got bourbon on
the front of my tongue with that one, with that
drink that I just had. Okay. So let's turn that
off. Sound effects. Sorry, that was unintentional.
But I would say everybody out there, if you haven't
had a KBS, it is definitely a tasty beer. Founders
does really, really great beers with the exception.
of that blonde that we had oh that was horrible
that was nasty and i still love the way you described
it dawn flavored dish soap i mean that's exactly
what like you know that thing when you clean
out like a glass or something like that and you
don't get all of the soap out yeah actually if
i remember correctly you said lemon flavored
dawn dish soap Yeah, lemon flavored dog dish
soap. There you go. Yeah. I just, I can't, I'm
not, yeah, not a big fan of things tasting like
soap. No. No, the only time I ever should be
tasting soap is if I'm getting my mouth rinsed
out for inappropriate language. Yeah, it's been
a long time since I did that to my sons because
they said words that I'd. There's not a lot of
words that are going to make me really get on
to you. They go to a school now that they hear
racial slurs that they're not allowed to say.
And they just think because other kids are doing
it that they should be able to. And I was like,
uh -uh. Nope. Not. There's. Nope. Nope. You don't.
There's a lot of things that you get to do. This
is not one of them. Yeah. So we did the soap
in the mouth and I did it with them because I
have one son in particular who's sure that I'm
abusing him anytime there's discipline involved,
any kind of physical discipline involved. And
I'm like, no. Oh, goodness. Someday you will
be the parent and you will understand. Yeah.
Well, as you share a parenting story, I have
a new parenting story to share and learn that
I never subjected my dad to this. So it's kind
of a new all around. Really? I was working at
the house, installing some outdoor speakers and
started to hear something. I'm like, what am
I hearing? And I took my earbud out and realized
that it was a person. And I turn around. And
there's this big old country fed redhead dude
who's clearly upset. Is that your son's car?
Yeah. He needs to slow down. Okay. Tell me what
it did. He had to at least be 170. Where? Over
here on our street. Which street? Which one?
Iber? Not Iber. That's over by my mom and dad.
Anyways, it's a Cajun sounding street. Cause
that's my whole neighborhood. Nice. And it's
a short street. Yeah. And I'm like, sir, I don't
think he could have actually got up to 70, but
to your point, he may have been going too fast.
And he's like, there's kids. He needs to slow
down. I'm like, Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. You know?
And he just like, he's here for a fight. He was
definitely upset. Yeah. You know, I'm feeling
like I'm getting my butt handed to me by this
dude. Like, I will talk to my son. So I go in
and I talk to Garrett. And of course, I wasn't
speeding. We've already had to tell you you need
to slow down. I know you drive too fast. The
problem here is I just had a dad chewing on me
for something that you did. Yeah. That's where
the problem lies. Yeah. And also the speeding.
Listen, there's a different level now. Yes. Because
you have brought me into this. Yes, when I have
a dad griping at me over something you did, you
and I got a problem. And basically told him,
if it happens again, you won't be driving. Yeah.
So he was just like, oh. Yeah, power. Might lose
power here, folks. Don't do it. So a little bit
later, he comes up and he goes like, I really
don't think I was speeding, but I think I know
what happened. I'm like, okay. And he's like,
well, when I was driving by, his wife gave me
a look, and I gave her a look back. And I'm like,
well, that probably didn't help. Yeah, don't
do that. It's like, so let's not do that either
and still slow down. And Michelle gets home,
and I'm telling her, and she's like, well, don't
have him drive on that street anymore. I'm like,
that's one way to approach it, but at the same
time, he needs to slow down. So that was interesting.
Oh, for sure. So yeah, but my dad got yelled
at a lot for anything that we did. So that's
what it, that's what it's like having kids when
you're in the ministry. Okay. Just all of a sudden
it's like free game. Oh my gosh. Everybody. So
to your point, any kind of community parenting
is tough. Sure. Because I think good parents
know there are hills that you die on and that
there, and there are hills that you don't. And
a lot of times we pick different hills to die
on. Yeah. Now I'm not saying that like speeding
in a neighborhood is not a good fight for a parent
or whatever. Um, but there's just, there's a
lot of, sensitivities that you're like, I don't
know that I would have called that speeding.
Like you, do you know that the speed limit is
35 on that road? Do you know what 35 looks like?
Yep. You're saying he's going too fast. What?
Yep. But you know, then people have bad days.
Oh, absolutely. What are you going to do? Yeah,
I have no doubt that he was probably going a
little faster than he should have. And they had
their kids playing out in the yard. And giving
the lady back the look just makes things even
worse. And, of course, she goes to her husband
and says, you need to fix this. And so he goes
into fixing mode and is driving around looking
for the vehicle and finds the vehicle and then
is like, hey, you need to talk to your son. Cool.
Like, okay, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
But the positive note to my story is I got my
speakers installed, and they sound great. That
is a positive note. Yes. So now we can sit out
on the front porch and listen to music. Nice.
Yes. I like that a lot. Yeah. With your, oh,
shoot. What amp did you use? Fosse. It's Fosse
Audio. I don't remember the exact model. And
then she decided she wanted. to be able to send
things independently to front porch, back porch.
Okay. Although back porch isn't installed yet.
Okay. Because I thought, okay, this has two outs.
That's great. We can run it to front and back.
No, no, no, no, no, no. When she's on the front
porch, she wants it on the front porch. When
she's on the back porch, she wants it on the
back porch. And it's like, well, that's going
to require either a more expensive unit, and
I don't mind spending the money. Yeah, don't
get me wrong. I'll get a multi -zone receiver
real fast. I will buy stuff. Yes. Did you just
give me permission to buy things? Yes. I will
buy things. So I basically bought the same thing,
but it's from a company called IEMA. Okay. How
do you spell IEMA? A -I -Y -I -M -A. Yeah, I
wasn't going to get there. A -I -Y -I -M -A.
IEMA. Oh, no, I've seen this. Okay. So it's basically
the equivalent of the Fosse. I mean, spec for
spec. AO7. It's identical. Or AO1. Let's see.
Pull that up on the Amazons. On the Amazons.
There's the Fosse audio. Is yours Bluetooth?
Yep, Bluetooth. Come on. So do you have the BT
-20A? I don't think so. It's 600 watts. No, no,
that's way more than what I... Wow, this does
not want to load. Come on. Phone, what are you
doing? Are you on our Wi -Fi? No, I'm on the
cellular. Oh. Because sometimes the Wi -Fi...
So the IEMA or however it's pronounced is the
A03 2 .1 channel. The Fosse is the BT30D. 30D.
Yes. And I had to crank back the volume coming
off of that thing because it was far louder than
I expected. So it's 50 watts by 2. Man, the IEMs
have a lot of different offerings here. So probably
not this weekend, but probably the weekend after
I'll get to the back porch. That one's going
to be a little bit more involved in going up
into the attic. Yeah, I love when my friends
install stuff. I, um, right now I'm installing
fans, ceiling fans. Okay. My old nemesis. It's
just, I mean, you know, it doesn't matter how
much planning you do. There's always some reason
that that install is not going to go well. It
can happen. Absolutely. I'm just like, guys,
can we just know? Uh, okay. Well, yeah, we didn't
think that through. Did you say AO3 or DO3? AO3
for the IEMO. Oh, I see it now. Bluetooth 5 .0.
Yep. They both work essentially the same. Mm
-hmm. Essentially the same spec for spec for
the most part. Really? So the Fosse, obviously,
the Bluetooth name is Fosse. Mm -hmm. Shocker.
Can't believe it. So join Michelle to that one.
Rename the Bluetooth name in her phone to Front
Porch. Nice. The IEMA actually shows up as Hi
-Fi Audio. That's better. Didn't expect that,
but okay. And so once we've got that one done,
we'll rename that as Back Porch for her so that
she has the ability to pick which way she's going
there. You should definitely say Hi -Fi. That
makes you sound like you came from the 80s. Hi
-Fi. My introduction to Hi -Fi actually was VCR.
No, yeah. Because if you didn't have a Hi -Fi
VCR, you couldn't get the rear channels. And
I remember the Hi -Fi being on the door for the
VHS. Yep. I had no idea what it meant. I didn't
either until I didn't understand why I wasn't
getting my rear channels. And I was like, oh,
you mean I got to go buy another VHS? Great.
Okay, here we go. Yeah, that's terrible. Man,
amplifiers. Yeah, I was actually talking to...
We have a bunch of amplifiers at the church that
we're not using anymore because our main system
speakers are now powered instead of passive.
But that means that we've got just this rack
full of... amps and they're, you know, big daddy
QSCs. Um, I mean, not the actual big daddies,
like they're not class a, um, but yeah, Chad
Larsh really, um, explained to me well, the difference
between the different classes of power and why
it matters whenever you're talking about, um,
fidelity since we're talking about hi -fi and
how you don't realize how like you're the curve
that you're listening to is not an actual curve
the stair step yep and you don't really hear
the difference until you put them next to each
other because I think we get we get a lot of
digital sound now But those old tube amps, man,
they sound different. Yep. I'm one of those guys.
Sorry. Well, if you saw, those are Class D. Yeah,
Class D. So. Super light. Low level, but works
well for the application. But super, I mean,
Class D now is kind of, it's not bulletproof
by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not
like there's. Very little maintenance. I mean,
now most of the time, actually, it's kind of
like if anything were to happen, it's just kind
of throw it away instead of trying to fix it.
Yeah. Whereas Class A was like, all right, I
got to go find some new tubes, figure out what's
going on with this thing. Yeah. But yeah, these
look great. Yeah, I think. I caught the Fosse
on sale for $65 at the time, and the IEMA I got
around $80 -ish when I bought it. So these things
aren't crazy expensive. It's saying $65 on their
site. Okay. Well, I caught them at the wrong
time on the IEMA. Yeah, I think probably you
can get both of them for $65 -ish if you're looking
for a small Bluetooth amplifier. Yeah. And it
will do, yeah. It'll do the RCA out left and
right, but it'll also do... It can also drive
a sub. Yeah, and it's got a sub out, like separate
sub out. And it has frequency control on the
sub, which is kind of nice. Did it come with
an antenna for the... It does. Okay. It does
come with an antenna. It shows the antenna, but
it doesn't really, like I didn't, yeah. A few
of the pictures don't have the antenna on, so
you always have to be careful with stuff like
that. Because you really want something this
small, you really want to hide it. And especially
if you're using it for the porches. And they
have great range on Bluetooth. I have them both
at the network rack, and they reach the front
and back porch. That's fantastic. Yes, I definitely
recommend these. You were strategic, though,
with your network rack, putting it in the middle
of the house. It's close as I can get it. Yeah.
As close as I can get it. Kind of front middle,
if I'm remembering. Yes, yes. But I would definitely
recommend these receivers to anybody that is
looking for something small like that. I have
them, the speakers that I'm using are Polk Audio
Atrium 4. And they're just the round speakers
that you can... No, they're kind of the standard
rectangular. Oh, okay. But they have the mount
that grabs from either side and you twist on
to lock in it. You can... And rock in the different
positions. Yeah. Point it down. Correct. So I've
got two on the front, two to go on the back.
More than enough volume that I could ever want.
I had to, like I said, I had to back off. on
the output once i kind of get out there and evidently
you got some picky neighbors that may be like
hey you can't be listening to your music yeah
in these parts well that's why you got to know
what the legal level is for decibels okay so
as long as you stay what's your legal level for
decibels well i've made i would have to look
and see what it actually is where i'm at I feel
like it's probably if I was standing at their
property line, as long as I'm under 75 DB, I'm
probably going to be okay. I mean, 75 DB is really
low. Yes. Um, I mean like a quiet room is usually
around like with the AC running or whatever is
usually around 60. Um, but I don't know why when
you said poke, I, I, automatically thought of
a round speaker and they don't really sell any
round speakers they're rounded yeah but not not
what i was picturing at all so i don't know what
i had in my head um but they've got a they've
got a whole bunch they've even got car and marines
so you can put them like outside outside um but
atrium atrium force fours those look great yeah
yep and they're paintable if you need to paint
them i'm not painting mine Not doing it. Do you
do black or white? They're black. Okay. So they
look like speakers. They do look like speakers.
Sometimes it's like, is that a speaker or is
that? Look up real quick. The Polk Audio Atrium
Sub 10. There is your round speaker. Yeah, no,
I saw this. Sub 10 or Sub 100? Sub 10. Wow, that
is strange. It's like a pendant on some kind
of mount. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like
the way that that looks. Downward firing. Oh,
okay. I see the 10 now. I was looking at the
100. Yeah, the 100 looks like what you would
see definitely in an outdoor installation. What's
the Gaylord? Although I think they use bows.
But it looks like something that the Gaylord
would have in their outdoor indoor spot with
all the water treatment and all that. Yeah. No,
that makes sense. It's just artistic. I don't.
Yeah. Don't get me wrong. Not don't have anything
against it, but. Man, home audio. That's just
a whole different rabbit hole. Yep. You can do
outdoor audio. You can do like your Bluetooth
speakers around the house and whether or not
you do like something networked for that. And
then you do like your. Oh, my gosh. Why am I
blanking on the home, not studio? Theater? Theater.
There you go. Goodness. I swear. It's been a
long day, man. It's fatigue is what it is. Yeah.
I haven't drank that much yet. So I'm not seeing
the actual law for our area. But this is saying,
generally speaking, any noise exceeding 70 dB
is considered disturbing. And it says residential
limits usually start at 60 or 55. Golly, that
is so low. And that typically applies from 10
p .m. to 7 a .m. So I'm going to be close enough
to that that I'm not worried about my neighbors.
No, and you're also not going to be bumping at
11 o 'clock at night. No. No. No, 11 o 'clock
at night, I'm laying in bed, not asleep, but
I'm at least laying in bed. Yeah, I couldn't
sleep last night. I had my job evaluation yesterday,
and so, you know. rehashing that in my mind over
and over and over again for hours on end. That's
what I do. Yeah. And I think about it. Yeah.
And I think about everything else. Depending
on what feedback you get, yeah, that could definitely
keep you going for a few hours. Quite a while.
Anyway. Wow, these poke speakers are... You just
finished? Finished. Man. I got a... You talk.
I'm going to drink. I haven't had all the Dr.
Pepper that you had. That's true. I have had
a lot. You're floating on carbonated beverage.
You don't have to chug it to try to catch up
now. I absolutely do. So if you haven't caught
on yet, we really don't have a subject to discuss
tonight. No, we're just hanging out. This is
just kind of a free flow conversation. Whatever
happens, happens. We'll see what the feedback
is. Yeah. From the whole seven people who seem
to download. Can't be much worse than that, which
is fine. But yeah, I mean, I'll get some feedback
from Mr. Court, probably from Michael Moore.
And of all people, I actually found out that
Chris Vasquez has at least downloaded it at least
one time. And he was telling me the last time
I saw him that when he's finishing up another
podcast, for some reason, his player goes back
to the last podcast and he was listening of our
show. And it's like, did you not finish it? He's
like, I don't know. Maybe I'm like, well, if
it does it again, you should just kind of scrub
it all the way over and it should clear out.
Right. And not come back. Cause he said, I'll
be listening to a podcast and it'll finish. And
the next thing I know, I hear your voice in my
ears. Not too shabby. It's like, well, that could
be disturbing. So. Oh, my gosh. There it is.
I mean, you know, there are worse voices. Sure.
Could be the most annoying sound in the universe.
Oh, don't do it. You know what the most? Never
mind. Just so bad. Yet another totally impromptu
thing in a movie. Not in the script. Totally
Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey. I mean, and they
rolled with it. Guys, guys, guys. Terrible. What
are you going to do? Yeah. Um, what else you
got going on? Just trying to be ready for summer.
A lot going on there. Oh my gosh. A lot of spinning
plates, a lot of, a lot of moving parts. And,
and like in the worst possible way at this point
in the. Sure. But I mean, overall we're in a
good spot. You know, Southeast is ready. Okay.
Central Texas is ready. We just are wrapping
up. East Texas. I think we'll have the last few
little things done by the end of the day tomorrow.
So we've got lots of time before staff show up,
but there's still other little things that we're
working on. You know, like we, Jason is trying
to finish up some of his documentation. We've
got documentation that we need to get knocked
out for medical and for retail. None of that's
really heavy. Working on some residual pieces
from our Fortinet rollout. I don't know if you
and I have discussed that much. I don't think
so. We had full intentions of going all Meraki.
I think I remember you saying that. And then
Cisco pulled a Cisco and said, oh, hey, we're
not going to make that Meraki gear anymore. You
need to buy our gear that's way more expensive.
Yeah, that sounds right. So that really kind
of. sent us reeling and started looking around
and asking questions and kind of, you know, kind
of from talking with other church ministries
at some of the events that we've been at, as
well as talking to some of our companies that
we work with, everybody was kind of like, Hey,
you should really look at Fortinet. And they
offer a compelling product for the price. Can
you say that a little slower? Hey -o. Hey, there
went the power. Thank you, battery backup. Yes,
thank you, battery backup. Oh, and there it is.
So this show may be ending fairly quick. Yeah.
So, but Fortinet offers a compelling product
for the price. If you're going to go off, stay
off. Don't keep blinking. Yeah, this is bad.
So we've got it in place at the ETMO, which is
our main office in East Texas, working on some
one at the, oh, stay off or stay on. Don't do
that. So one fiber distribution switch at the
woods still to go, one at the towers. Okay. I
think the biggest thing I'm staring at is that
I'm probably about to put together a proposal.
And to argue that we should get rid of our three
-year -old firewalls from Cisco and replace them
with the Fortinet FortiGate. Well, I mean, I
guess, yeah. If you're moving in that direction,
that's... Yeah. And it really is, it's all about
dollars and cents. Which makes total sense. Yeah.
And what I like when Fortinet is offering is...
I can put the cloud management on the firewall,
and then my switches and my access points that
are behind the firewall do not need cloud licensing.
I can manage them all from the FortiGate. Now,
I still have to put support on those, but I don't
have to have a cloud license per device, which
is the Meraki model. Right. fully prepared to
commit to that right but the cisco model that
still has that doubles the price and so it was
like yeah we've got to throw that one out we
can't go that way i mean it's just it's hard
not to be um i don't know jaded by it because
you're like i i'm trying as hard as i can to
justify to other people how much all of this
stuff costs. Correct. And y 'all are not helping.
Yep. So it's going to be very weird to go, hey,
I know three years ago I said we need to buy
this equipment, and it was the right decision
then. But stuff changed yesterday. Everything
is now out the window, and this is where we need
to be. I mean, but that's how fast it changes.
Unfortunately, yes. I really wish that Cisco
would not have touched Meraki. You know, it was
a solid product for the price. Yeah. Yeah, there
is a lot of licensing involved. And for some
folks, that's not palatable. Ooh, and I get it.
Okay, I think the power's going to stay this
time, folks. Don't say that. That's a football
fan right there, not a baseball fan. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. I'm just saying baseball fans know better.
You don't talk about it. Yeah. Y 'all are a little
too superstitious. I, you can say that all you
want, but if changing my seat makes them win,
I am going to do it. Yep. I wore this hat and
this shirt on the last game and we won. I'm going
to wear it again. That's right. Yep. Cause anyway.
Yeah. So trying to tie that up. along with a
few little odds and ends for summer, and we're
going to be full bore. Goodness. So it's coming
on, whether we want it to or not. Well, this
episode clearly brought to you by Battery Backups.
Yes. Thank you, Battery Backup. You were noisy,
but you did your job. APC, knocking it out of
the park. They make a good product. Yeah. Make
a good product. Who was I talking to? Oh, we're
trying to chase a power ghost right now in our
main audio system, and it is a beast. Yeah, there
was some slight buzzing going on there. And I'm
not talking about the beer. Man, I wish. Yeah.
So you had said that you were having some Wi
-Fi troubles at the student building. Let's talk
through that. Yeah, so the grade school building
on our campus is a two -story. What is that?
Well, 12 classrooms, but that's because upstairs
there is a large. um meeting space um that's
got a large uh lobby um and then a big old uh
two -story uh playground in it yeah um and the
playground is really cool because it kind of
feels like five stories to kids because of um
how you know whatever so you get all the way
up to the top and then you go down the slide
and it's like holy cow that thing anyway Pretty
fun for adults, too. Anyway. Dang. Kaboom. I
think we just lost the internet. But all that
to kind of set a picture. We started our network
in that, especially our Wi -Fi. Now, this was
a good, like, At our church, we actually have
had really good history of, except for the first
building, the other buildings that were built,
they did include a lot of data drops. And then
when we did the grade school building, which
was the last building that we have built, we
did a lot. of data drops. I'm trying to just
make sure that we don't have to come back. And
sure enough, I'm going to have to come back on
one of the walls. Okay. But I'll tell you about
that later. Okay. But the, the first round that
we did with, with everything was, was to put
just APs in the ceiling, kind of in the couple
in the, meeting room one in each hallway kind
of by there's a downstairs western you know quad
of rooms so put one up there and then on the
or did we do two did we do one on the north side
one on the south side of each i think we did
yes um and then we did that on the west side
downstairs and then we did that on the earth
sorry the east side downstairs and then we did
it on the east side upstairs so really we were
running off of and then two in the lobby one
upstairs in the lobby one downstairs in the lobby
yep um again that's off the top of my head but
i believe that's what we did first then um it
was always the plan to put in tvs in the classrooms
Um, and I don't know if we decided before we
put in the TVs or like as we were putting together
that, um, package for the ministries to approve.
It was one of those, like we could do like a
bunch of different offerings. Like you could
do a HDMI cable out. You can do, uh, DVD players
and all of them. I do think we bought Blu -ray
players for every room that we didn't install
them in every room. Um, because. Really? Who's
carrying a Blu -ray around with them anymore?
True. But regardless, the idea was to have three
inputs. You do an Apple TV, you do a Blu -ray
player, and then you do an extra. We may have
only been able to do two, and that's why some
of them automatically don't have a Blu -ray player.
But regardless. Also, it was just the other step
of having to mount because all of these are wall
mounted TVs. And we put network at the same spot
that we did. And this was really great for those
of you that are actually planning rooms like
building or anything like that. As you're planning
for any kind of wall mounted, whatever it is.
um if if you've got a network drop that you're
putting in the middle of the wall for something
like a tv or anything like that make sure you
get them to put uh wood in the wall behind the
tv and i'm not talking about like this is a big
metal building so most of the um studs are metal
but um even between the metal studs even or even
if you had wooden studs between the wooden studs
in the area that you're going to put it, just
get them to put just big old, you know, blocks
of wood or, you know, like three quarter inch
plywood between and secure it to the studs, whatever
you have. Like anyway, you're not going to regret
it because the ability that I have to walk into
a room and be like, that's where the, um, network
drop is so right below that is where that piece
of wood is and i just hammer this yep um tv mount
into that and i don't have to find studs i don't
have to try to figure out if i'm doing anchors
or anything like that i'm just you know lag bolting
this thing in basically pretty much but let's
off the topic so all that to say all of that
was set up When we put in the TVs, we decided
to, instead of one of the problems that we were
having, this was 2019, early 2019, because we
opened in August of 2019. So this would have
been right before we opened that building. We
started to realize in the rooms that we had that
we were using Apple TVs. Or the big rooms that
we were using that use Apple TV. The connectivity
issues, the dropping or whatever, can be mostly
solved by putting the Apple TV, not even both
devices, just the Apple TV, wired onto the network.
Now that seems like a no -brainer. Don't use
Wi -Fi for... whatever, but it, you only have
to do it in one direction. As long as you can
take off one of the wifi. I just, I can't really
like, I wish I could quantify it for you. I wish
I had the data for that. But the amount of stability
that, that you gain by just putting the Apple
TV on the network. So basically at that point
we were like, what if instead of just doing the
Apple TV wired in, what if we did a, um, ubiquity
has the, um, wall mounted, um, APs, but they
have wall mounted APs that have, uh, four. Um,
I mean, it's just a dumb switch, right? It's
not, yeah, there's not, it's not actually, The
ones that we have, maybe the new ones are better.
I don't know that there's port. You can configure
the ports. You can? Yeah, you can give them VLANs
and the whole nine. Wow, okay. I didn't even
think that that was the case. So it's got four
port configurable or four configurable ports.
The KBS is taking effect. Oh, my gosh. I'm just
tired. And, yes, 12%. um you want to pass the
opener chris is over here on his second beer
i'm going in um so yeah so now you have the whole
picture now in each of these thank you in each
of these 12 classrooms um we left up a lot of
the singular aps um i think we took a few of
them down No, we took most of those down, I think,
because we wanted to increase in a couple different
areas. Correct. You want to tell us what you're
drinking? Yeah, real quick. No blurb on the label.
That's a bummer. But this is the Kentucky Bourbon
Barrel Imperial Milk Stout. Milk Stout. It is.
It smells good. I've enjoyed the ones that I've
drank, but there's something about calling it
a milk stout that just makes me want to kind
of gag. I don't know what that is. It's not bad.
No, I'm sure it's great. Smells good. Now this
one, as I had said before, the bourbon really
comes out in this one. Okay. So bottoms up folks.
Nice. So we took out some of the multi -room
APs, and basically every classroom has one of
these APs in it. Correct. And this is great.
They're all kind of facing the same direction
on each side. You know, they're on opposite walls
when you cross the center line of the building.
in in each classroom actually i don't know that
that's true i think some rooms there i think
that they're pointed at each other well they're
on opposite sides of the wall right yeah no they're
on opposite ends they're pointed back towards
each other okay i guess i thought we had some
where they were literally back to back but the
transmission was going out in into the room and
they see that that would have been better because
now that i'm realizing some of this like this
some of the problems that we're having are making
sense because they put the doors back to back
in these rooms and so when you walk in the the
door opens and then you kind of walk more into
the opening in whatever direction And you want
to walk in or they wanted people to be able to
walk in more at the back of the room than at
the front of the room. So if they put the TV
on the wall that the door is closest to or basically
on, then that would be opening to the front of
the room. So they put the TV on the opposite
wall, which means that with the doors close together,
the TVs are pointing at each other, which means
the APs behind the TVs are pointing at each other.
So it's been quite a few months. I don't think
it happened right at the beginning of us installing
all these. But it's been quite a few months.
And every time I open the UniFi app, it tells
me that especially one of them, C103, is like...
Offline. Well, it's not even offline. Like it's,
it's just having a terrible experience. Um, and
so it's like negative 30. Um, so the, um, I've
had a few like, you know, in the negative 45,
50, maybe negative 50 range. Um, upstairs in
the same area so 203 um it actually says that
um but the the uh 203 um upstairs i've actually
that's the one i've actually had people um tell
me like hey we're not able to connect in exactly
the way that we should like we're We're having
a hard time connecting to the Apple TV or whatever.
And so, you know, is there something you can
do about it? And I'm like, yes, absolutely. Thank
you for asking me. And also dad comment. Like
we, we tried to make this kind of bulletproof.
So that, that's kind of what's going on. Open
the portal here. Really quickly. See exactly
where we are. If it'll actually connect. Please,
please. Come on, Internet. You can do it. You
can do it. I believe in you. Oh, it took me to
the store. Don't take me to the store. Okay,
there we go. Hey, it sees a new device. That's
fun. I got to do some phone work. Tomorrow. Uh
-oh. We moved offices. Or we didn't. A lot of
the staff moved from the grade school building
to the preschool building. Everything's fine.
It's just hard to get everything plugged in again.
Network. Dashboard. There it is. So, yeah, right
now. C -103 and C -204 are in the negative...
What is that? 81. Okay. Yeah, negative 80s is
getting into a bad spot. Yeah. So right now we're...
I guess I had that wrong in my head. But the...
Man, I didn't think I did. But I didn't feel
like I was that way. Maybe it's... Nope. it's
not different between uh 2 .4 and five so it's
a little different but not much different um
but yeah that that dispersion is not like there
there's some serious interference going on on
that east side of the building um and it is both
both of them are the the wall mounted there's
it's not one of them uh Flying saucers. Yeah.
I put more credence to people saying they're
having a problem than I do Unify's dashboard.
But I mean, the dashboard could give you an indication
that you might have a problem. It is interesting.
Okay. I thought they were the same, but it's
actually in the 2 .4 gigahertz. The dashboard
shows C103 and C104 having problems, and the
5 GHz has C204 and C103. So C103 is just inconsolable.
It doesn't know what to do with its life. Help
me. Help. Help. I'll tell you what's been more
finicky than I was hoping it would be. because
they seem to do fine in actual practice, but
in terms of them dropping randomly and me getting
a notification about it, have been the extenders.
I've seen those notifications. And I found out
one of them was because people keep unplugging
it. And I was like, don't. Don't unplug the gear,
man. I took the LED off of it, or took the LED.
I turned the LED off on it, and I was like. If
the big bright blue light is what's drawing you
to touch this thing, just don't. Don't. But you
never know. The last time that I remember seeing
those, and so when I started seeing it coming
back, I'm like, oh no, not again. Was that started
right before the... The controller being confused
on what was on what port and some of the throughput
issues that we were having for Sundays. Yeah,
that would be bad. And so when I saw it come
back a couple of times, I'm like, oh, please,
no, not again. Yeah, so those are like their
mesh setups. They're just extenders. They're
not actually hard -lined into anything. But I
know for sure. like the the southwest one in
the great room has been pretty rock solid but
the um northeast has had more problems i think
i just need to move the northeast closer to that
uh ap you know there are two um uh power power
blocks there's yeah two two plugs on that wall
two outlets and and i just need to move it to
the one that's closer to where Whatever, I was
just trying to get closer to the, there's a little
desk in that corner that people sit at for no
good reason other than it's a desk. And are like,
why can't I get the Wi -Fi to work? Because it's
not like oxygen. I don't know what to tell people.
Well, what I find interesting on both of those
extenders, is that they're indicating their parent
device is the family room access point. Both
of them? As of right now, yeah, as I look at
it. I could see the North coming off the family.
Well, I could see it coming off the family. The
North should come off the family. The South should
come off the stage. Stage or the booth. Yeah.
Interesting. So, I mean, that is intriguing unless...
It's extender to extender and then that extender
over to the family room. And that would be kind
of weird as well. Yeah, if they're just dead
set on trying to be in the same one, maybe. And
I don't know that you can pin it to another AP.
I did shut down some of the... I did shut down
some of the Wi -Fi's. Oh, the SSIDs? Yeah, sorry,
the SSIDs. Thank you for using real language.
I did shut down some of the SSIDs on a few of
the APs because we were having problems with
people jumping on. And I added one to the...
kiosk area for the main building because, and
that one only has check -in on it. Okay. Yep.
But anyway. Okay. Can't remember what I did to
sound booth. Maybe I'd, Hey, that says insufficient
power detected. Oh, on the sound booth. That's
the one that we, yeah, that's, that's the wifi
seven, but didn't you put the injector? Yeah.
So I gotta go check that out. that's i wish like
that that's just kind of on that it's not actually
on them like it's not telling me that anywhere
else i wish that that uh i wish i got something
on that that wasn't me looking for it because
that would have been good to know yeah i think
i i think i locked that one down to just be staff
okay and identity in the hopes that we could
make that do better. I don't know what I did
to stage. Probably the same. That's probably
why those are pulling from. Dang. Kaboom, baby.
Yeah, look at the AP itself. I don't see anything.
Where it says that it's underpowered. Where were
you seeing that at? I'm on the network app or
interface, and then I went down to unified devices,
and then I went down to wherever it is, sound
booth, great room number 16, and when I clicked
on it, now it doesn't have it. Yeah, I was going
to say, I didn't see anything talking about.
Insufficient power looking at the access point
itself. That must have been like a caching weird
thing because I don't see it anymore. Nope. Cool.
That makes me feel better because I was like,
I fixed that problem. And I noticed you've got
that one in two different AP groups. I didn't
know if that was on purpose or not. No. It's
in SSBC staff and all APs. Yeah, I don't really
know how all APs, because the only thing that's
being propagated with all APs is the identity,
unify identity stuff. So we should either rename
that in order to make it obvious what it actually
is or use it differently. Because I don't know
what we would provision with. all aps well originally
that's where all of them were and then we decided
hey we want to break this up because we need
these radios to only be check -in yeah the check
-in was the impetus yeah so we we broke that
into uh check -in staff and then south spring
i believe yeah which was the guest yeah and some
of them We're in multiple groups. Some of them
were only in the check -in group. Sorry, I'm
shaking my head because the number of people
that feel like the guest network, even though
it's not called the guest network, I wanted to
make sure that we didn't call it the guest network
because I feel like there's a mindset about guest
networks. It's just called South Spring. Because
there's no password on it, the number of people
that are like, oh, I need to get on the other
Wi -Fi. I'm like, no, you don't. It's not like
there's not a bad experience going on. And somebody
tell me it doesn't work. I was like, it does.
I see that it does. I will get on it right now
and show you that it does. I don't know what
that is, man. Well, I think people are just used
to guests being throttled. Yeah. And they're
like, oh, I can't be throttled. I need total
power. All of it. You know, it's that whole Tim
Allen, more power. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
So I guess we haven't gone to that level. We
still have guests. Well. It's specifically your
own guest. I think it makes sense in other places.
I think that if we had set it up earlier than
we did, then I probably would have called it
guest and we wouldn't have changed it before
now. Yeah. But we're about to have to change
the staff password because freaking Apple keeps
making it too easy for people to share passwords
with each other. But John, you're an Apple guy.
I am. You're right. How can you talk trash about
Apple? I feel like it's like a family thing.
If I talk bad about my family, that's fine because
it's my family. If you talk bad about my family,
then we're going to have to talk about this in
a different way. We're going to come to fisticuffs.
Right, fisticuffs. Good job. You've got to love
a product built around people. And individuals.
Yeah. And yet you're just supposed to go, oh,
it worked for business too. No, it doesn't. No,
it doesn't. And it doesn't like, like there's,
you know, like I want to be able to trust everybody,
but that's not reality. Yes. And so the idea
that you, you know, I do appreciate that they've
gone to pretty, pretty extreme lengths in some
ways to. make sure security is happening in different
ways i get that and and sometimes it's a security
because like you can't actually touch that yep
which gets annoying but i i get it i get it i
get it i really do get it and then you're like
you know what you just have to hit this little
button and it'll share your yep known wi -fi
with anybody who you have in your contacts pretty
much no don't do that I feel your pain. I feel
your pain. That's why we've got to get to an
MDM solution so that we can push it via policy.
And this goes away, bro. Okay. So no, I was really
like, I was, I was on all kinds of websites the
other day looking at, is there any part of this
that we can kind of retrofit based on what we
already have? Cause Apple does have MDM. Sure.
You know, and we've, now that we've, done the
business side of it in order to start making
gains towards what's going to be necessary for
enrolling our devices um you know there's some
of that that i'm trying to look at and figure
out and then it's like oh okay so no it really
does become like a we need to figure out like
a single sign -on solution that's not Active
Directory dependent if we're using our internal
server for Active Directory. Yep. So then, you
know, going down the Active Directory rabbit
hole at 11 o 'clock at night at home, sitting
on my bed. This makes me happy. What are you
doing, babe? Just trying to figure out how to
do this. Yep. That makes you happy? No, no, no,
no. As much as I hate to say it, you've really
got to get away from the active directory. No,
we definitely do. And I agree. It's one of those,
there's just too many drawbacks now. I mean,
it's not really too many drawbacks. It's a single
drawback that you just keep running into in different
situations. Yep. But anyway. So, but I mean,
we've looked at the Univice solution. Yeah. It
could work. We looked at some other solutions
that are out there. There's definitely options.
It just comes down to. Who you want to pay. Who
you want to pay. Absolutely. And what do you
want to get for that money in return? Yeah. Maybe
we should have just been talking about that the
whole time. Which one of these do you want to
build the rest of them? Well, we've obviously
hitched our wagon to JumpCloud. Yes, you have.
Works well for us. Yeah. Replaces Active Directory,
gives you mobile device management, gives you
single sign -on. Yeah. They offer some non -profit
pricing, which is always nice. I was looking
at the JumpCloud integration with Google. Yep.
Is that both directions? Well, that depends.
When you add somebody, who do you? Well, when
you add somebody to JumpCloud, it will go out
and create a Google account for them. That's
what I was asking. So that you can get. I guess
where I'd say it depends is who do you want to
be the source of truth for password management?
Right. Do you want that to be JumpCloud? Do you
want that to be Google? Yeah. And I understand
like there's the. weirdness of that and what
i don't want to do is pick one of these and then
use the wrong one correct uh be creating these
accounts and everything because what we were
stuck in and are actually still stuck in right
now is that like i have to create accounts in
a bunch of different areas and then tell people
like okay you can use the same password it's
not advised yep um Yeah, we still have not done
the directory integration with Google yet. Really?
Yeah. I would have expected you all to do that.
It's on the list. There's a lot of pieces there
that we're still working on. Like even single
sign -on, we're still primarily just using it
in our department. Really? But we've tested it.
It works great. Do you have intentions of rolling
it out to Salesforce, Workday, other? other pieces.
I think what we're ultimately waiting on is the
integration with Workday because that has the
ability to trigger multiple pieces for us. They
create the person in Workday. It syncs in the
JumpCloud, syncs them in the Google, and then
single sign -on says, okay, you can go here,
you can go here, you can go here. So it's kind
of that let's get the integration working with
Workday. And then the other things will just
naturally flow. Yeah, I'm kind of trying to hold
off on mandating two -factor authentication until
I can make a single sign -on work. Because I'm
going to get a lot of pushback. Sure. But if
I can temper that pushback with, but you only
have to remember one. Yes, yes. But as somebody
who got bit. Yeah. From not having two -factor,
I would encourage you to go two -factor as soon
as possible. Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
Because we got bit pretty hard on that one. Yes,
you did. Could have been worse than it turned
out to be, but we got bit. But still hard. Yes.
And you're okay until you get bit. Yeah. And
then you're like, okay, we don't have an option
anymore. Here we go. Right. No, I get that. It's
so funny to me when people don't understand everything
that's being... Held digitally. What? Nothing.
Ah, yes. I think I'm talking more than you. I
don't think so. Fine. You just drink faster than
I do. Again, you're full of carbonation. It's
true. I'm not. I'm so full of carbonation. Don't
burp into the microphone. Anyway, yeah, I have
Jamf and JumpCloud stuff open right now. Yeah.
I mean, Jamf is obviously great for managing
Macs, which is what you have. Yeah. I think they
offer their own single sign -on. Yeah. And I
think they even have their own identity. Or they
were working on it at one point. Okay, so single
login, Jamf mobile assist, and return to service
app. Healthcare listener. I don't need that.
Automate bedside device management based on a
patient's journey in electronic. Ooh, that sounds
scary. Yeah, I don't know. Y 'all are talking
to a lot of hospitals, I'm guessing. That was
just Jamf for mobile. I thought. I really thought
they had their version of identity. Small and
medium -sized businesses. I actually don't think
that we classify as that because of the number
of. So they have. No, we do. Yeah, it's called
Jamf Connect. That's their identity. Yes. Piece,
yes. Yep. And they even have their Jamf Executive
Threat Protection. Sounds fancy. Anyway, it's
just a lot of trying to figure out. Yeah. There
are a lot of options to consider and it all comes
down to what's best for the organization. I think
Okta is still the big player in identity. You
got to have some deep pockets because you've
still got to bring MDM to the table. And that's
what ultimately drove us to. Jump Cloud was the
significant savings when you didn't also have
to bring an MDM solution to it. The caveat there,
the trade -off, is because Jump Cloud is trying
to be all things, they're not as feature -rich
as somebody who focuses on a single thing. Yeah.
They're closing the gap, but there is still a
difference in terms of the features that they
offer. But I would say that JumpCloud probably
offers more than what most organizations need.
But I could see as you get large enough, you're
going to realize that they're missing some of
the pieces that you need. And then you would
look at an octa, maybe a ping, and then you're
bringing in something like MobileIron or Jamf
or... Oh, what's the Microsoft product? I should
know this. Yes, you should. I shouldn't know
this. I'm drawing a total blank on Microsoft
MDM. Intune, there you go, Intune. Yeah, they
just made that up. Well, it's their flavor of
the moment, and then in a couple of years, they'll
change it and it'll be something different. That's
what Microsoft is good at. Google, on the other
hand, is good at killing stuff. That was pointed.
Yeah. They have a proven track record. They do,
of killing things. They bring something out.
People love it. They decide, ah, this isn't working
for us, and they just kill it. I'm done with
you. So. Well, there you go. I think that's what
we've got for tonight, folks. Yeah, I've got
to get home. Yeah. Wow. It's almost 940. Good
job. That's a pretty good show for no real content.
120 minutes. Holy cow. It's because we found
content there at the end. Yeah, we did. All right.
All right. Thanks for hanging out. Enjoyed it,
man. And thanks for bringing the beer as always.
Not a problem. Not a problem. Appreciate you,
brother. Yeah. Enjoyed it, man. See you, everybody.
See you. Wow, that was something, right? That's
what I call a great podcast. These two guys are
not bozos.