Hey Chris, how you doing? Good, how you doing
John? I'm doing alright. We are, oh my goodness,
it's Wednesday, so Thursday, Friday, Thursday,
Friday, Saturday. We're three days away from
the first Easter service for this year. Yes.
We do three at our church. We do one on Saturday
night and then two on Sunday morning. Yep. Anyway,
it's... You know, we're just in the middle of
it. Yes. Every project that you had that was
like, yeah, just whenever is now like get it
done before Easter. Pretty much. Also, speaking
of, well, let's start with, hey, what are we
drinking? We have a new one tonight from True
Vine. Okay. Sanctimonium. This is a. Belgian
triple, I believe. We haven't, so you say new
one. You and I have both had this. Yes, but new
for the show. New for the show. New for the show,
new for the listeners to hear about. Delicious.
It is good. It's 10%. Pretty confident it was
a triple. Yeah, and it's in a growler. It is,
yes. Feeling pretty good about our 64 ounces
here. Let's see. Good to know. I think our mugs
here probably hold 44. Okay, I stand corrected.
This is a Belgian quad. Oh, it's a quad, not
a triple. Not a triple or triple is the way it's
spelled. No, I'm not saying that. So yeah, it
is a triple. It's a quad. Sorry, quad. I'm looking
at too many things on the screen at one time.
Yeah. So let's crack this bad boy open. Yeah.
Way to go, True Vine. Oh. Wow. Oh. You need me
to undo it for you? What just happened? It didn't
open because there's tape. There's tape on it?
Well, so it's not. Oh, okay. Yeah, you can't.
Yeah, you're not supposed to. Okay, where's the.
You're supposed to take it home. Yes. If you
had opened that with the tape on it. Just saying.
I'm He -Man. Come on, tape. I see it. You're
working on it. It's almost there. Getting there.
You're doing great. Okay. That's some really
skinny tape. That's weird. Yeah, it is. Okay,
now I think legally this would qualify as an
open container because the tape is gone. Which
is frustrating because, you know, in Louisiana,
all it takes is the straw being... Not having
the paper on top? The paper on the straw counts.
All right, let's try again. That would be much
easier. Yeah, so there's kind of a double standard
there. I'm just saying. Would you like the first
pour? Oh, sure. I am honored. It's a good glug.
Oh, man. That's not even. I'm looking at the
level in the. In the growler there, and it didn't
really make a dent. I'm telling you, it just
smells so good. Please go over the top. No, no,
no, no. I got it. You did great. Yeah. Yeah.
So this is the quad in case, or a quad in case.
This quad, I'll put it that way. I don't really
know that much about quads, but this is a very
brown ale. Yes. So expecting the nuttiness. What
does it say? There's no blur. There's no blurb?
There's no blurb on their site for any of their
beer. Okay, no, we've got to figure that out
because they do have blurbs. I mean, I'm sure
I can find it on their site real quick. No, I
don't think you can. I think we looked last time,
didn't we? Didn't we? Well, we're going to find
out. Okay. Also helps if you can spell. Untapped.
Okay. Yeah, no blurb, but it does say in a faraway
land. Oh, no. Our brewing forefathers created
an ale so bold with such strength. Oh, I've got
to click the show more. With such strength that
we eat. With such strength that it was banished
from the land, never to return. We have brought
this legendary beer back to life with a heavy,
malty base and tasting notes of fig, cherry,
and a touch of warmth. The Belgian quad you hold,
well, Now I'm holding it. It's for those who
seek something bigger in both their beverage
and in life. Cheers. Well, there you go. Well,
there you go. Thank you, Untapped. That's just
weird. Yeah, I don't think that I tasted the
cherry last time, but let's see. Ready? Yep.
Cheers. Here we go. Cheers. No, I do taste the
cherry. A little bit. Yeah. I mean, now that
I'm saying it. Or now that they said it, I taste
it for sure. Kind of on the sides of the tongue.
Yeah, it's a little more tart than I remember
it being. A little bit. Maybe that's just because
of the cherry thing. I had this probably, I don't
know, two or three months ago. And it felt like
it was a different tasting beer then versus now.
I've had that a few times. But I think that's
kind of the nature of these. Small batch. Yes.
Artisanal small batch. Artisanal small batch.
It's not bad, though. No, it's great. Not bad.
So the tag says 41625. That's when they poured
it into this growler. That's what that means.
Okay. Yes. Because I think, I mean, yeah. Don't
know when it was put in the keg to be ready for
drinking. But. I do know they're running low.
Not too long ago. Really? Yeah. Running low on
sanctimonium and they're running low on giant
slayer. Oh no. Giant slayer is really good. Oh
no. Um, we're going to take this podcast and
relocate for a little bit. Oh no. That would
be interesting. That would be so good. We should
do. Figure out a way to do a show there. Well,
it would have to be one of the live shows. So
we need to figure out live and then we go. Yes.
And do it. And then we can, it'll be a all beer
show. Oh. Cause you got to taste the different
varieties. No, absolutely. We work them in. It's
a marketing gimmick for them. Yeah. It's a good
show for us. Yeah. Welcome to the brainstorm,
people. Yeah. This is great. Now there's just
a lot of pieces to figure out. Yeah, no big deal.
I wish it was just as simple as clicking go live.
Wouldn't that be nice? Well, it could be done,
but it's up to your hosting company to pull that
off. And we're not there yet. Not quite. Okay.
So what I was saying, well, no, let's talk about
the beer a little more because I don't think
we gave it its full. What else? It said cherry.
There was something else other than warmth because,
yeah, obviously the warmth, but that has more
to do with, you know, where it hits you in the
gut. Okay. And the fact that I haven't had dinner
yet. Oh, true. I'm there with you. Malty base
and tasting notes of fig, cherry. And a touch
of warmth. So fig, I don't really know what fig
tastes like. I've had Fig Newton. I don't think
it's the same thing. Okay. Yeah. So a sugary
fig. That's as close as it gets. Maybe that's
what they were talking about. You're the one
who's been to Israel. You didn't try a fig? No.
Oh, come on, man. I didn't eat olives either.
Oh, how could you go and not have olives? Well,
mostly I ate deviled eggs, hummus, and fish.
Yeah. There was some chicken. I remember every
time that I've gone to Israel, what I like crave
the most. I mean, bacon, obviously, but is like
a cheeseburger because they don't do cheese on
anything. Correct. Because that would be a lot.
That's not kosher. So. No cheese on the burger.
They will make you a burger. It's not bad. I
mean, it's not great, but it's not bad. But you
can't put cheese on it. Can I get cheese on the
side? You definitely can't get a bacon cheeseburger.
No. You keep referencing bacon and Israel, and
you were making me think of Trump the other day.
He was announcing Huckabee as his new ambassador
to Israel, and he was just... off the cuff, just
trying to be silly. Like he's really going to
bring home the bacon for us. And then there's
this pause and he goes, although I guess bacon's
not really their thing in Israel. Wow. Okay.
So. Wow. Just wow. Anyway. You know, I like this.
Yeah. No, it's great. I mean, it's not, it's
not bitter. No, it is a little tart, a little
tart. So this is, Like when my wife gets all
excited about a summer shandy. Okay. I'm like,
no, it's a little too, I don't, I don't like
lemonade in my beer. Thank you very much. True.
But this, this kind of reminds me of that. Like
this would be a great hangout, you know, maybe
after mowing the yard, get it really cold. It's
not, it's not super cold right now. Well, maybe
that's why we can taste the cherry so well. If
we have any leftover, I'll be mowing on Saturday.
I'll let you know how it is after mowing. There
you go. I feel like it would be a great post
-mow beer. All right. Okay, so what I was saying
is that we also have, we do something called
an Easter bash. We call it an Easter bash. Most
people call it an egg hunt. Eggstravaganza. Eggstravaganza.
So we do that on the Saturday before Palm Sunday.
So it's not even during the Holy Week. It's just
the Saturday before. So partially that's because
we're just trying to get out of everybody else's
way. There's so many other. Tyler has a lot of
churches with a lot of extra programming from
those churches during Easter. So it's just a
good idea for everybody to. let everybody go
to everything and not try to compete with different
stuff but all of that to say that i was running
the sound system for our eastern um bash and
i had to get on and give a few announcements
and i had a few people tell me that my radio
voice was funny And I was like, I don't know
what you're talking about. I don't have a radio
voice. I don't have a, I don't have a, I have
a face for radio. I don't have a voice for radio.
Yes. But what they meant was that I talk different
when I'm on the microphone. And I was like, I
wonder if that was the case whenever I was like,
I wonder if it's the case right now. I don't,
I don't think I talk different when we're just
podcasting. Cause I feel like I'm just a conversation
very much. Just talking to you. Yeah. Um, but
evidently when I'm on a microphone on a loud
speaker, so this made me think like when I was
back, when I was a worship leader, did I do it
like this? Did I have a different voice from
when I led worship? Um, but especially if I'm
doing announcements, I talk very differently.
And I was like, I cannot get anybody to explain
that to me. But well, when you were leading worship,
I think it, I think it is just a part of it is,
you know, a little more amped up. You know, just
because you're like, hey, everybody, glad you're
here. Yeah. You know, that piece definitely came
out. Smile. Yes. But I didn't see it as like,
oh, that's not John. What's he doing? Yeah. And
maybe that's the case here, too, is there's a
lot of people, since I'm not leading worship
anymore, see me in my frowny face more often.
Yes. One of my kids call it the Eeyore. Yes.
You're just, you're just leaning into your realism.
That's all. Just leaning into the realism. Not,
not as much with the eyebrows up. Yeah. But yeah,
it was, it was funny to me because I was like,
Oh, I, I mean, I've been doing this job for a
little bit, which is, I've done parts of that
for a long time and nobody's ever mentioned that
before, but I think we have more people now that
don't. That weren't here whenever I led worship.
So they didn't hear me talk. More often. From
stage. So. But it is interesting to know about
yourself. That you have a different voice. That
you don't really realize that you're using. Didn't
happen to record it. Did you? No. I mean. Clip
for the show. Wouldn't have been good. That's
all I'm saying. There were definitely a lot of
times. I was in the middle of talking. About
you know. what we were doing for Easter egg hunts
or how you needed to try to limit your children
to seven. I was like, are you kidding me? You
want me to make what announcement? Children only
pick up seven Easter eggs. Got it. Like don't
nobody pay attention to me for the next 30 seconds.
I'm going to say something that I'm required
to say. Yes. It was funny. I told another one
of our staff who will remain nameless about that.
Like that. had been asked to make that announcement,
and he goes, I think they have participation
trophies at the church across the street. I was
like, that's right. Yes. Here at South Spring,
if you don't get your rear end out there and
get some eggs, that's your own fault. That's
on you. Anyway, it was really funny. So did they
at least tell you this afterwards? So you're
not sitting there in the middle of this and going,
what am I doing with my voice? No, it was in
the middle. Oh. No, I mean, that's, they're going
to tell me when they. At least tell you after.
Yeah. One of them, like, so I'm in the middle
of the sound system and we're pushing across
acres. So like it's, it's loud. And when you're
right behind the speakers, it's really loud.
So I've got them in pointed in three different
directions. I'm trying to cover as much ground
as possible. And so when people come and talk
to me, they are literally, you know, getting
right next to my ear and then screaming. Screaming.
Yes. But one of them told me like that, which
I thought was hilarious. Like you were, you were
screaming this at me. I mean, it's fine. Cause
it's the only way we're going to be heard. But
anyway, what's your radio voice? That's funny.
Watch your screaming voice. Ask my children.
Right. That's funny. But, you know, it definitely
reminded me of what we're talking about today
with doing podcasts and stuff. You know, a lot
of what's been interesting about trying to set
up podcasts and get ready to go with podcasts
is being aware of how it sounds. Yep. The fact
that it just clipped off the front of how. For
me there, because I was not leaning into the,
how not giving it enough decibels to cut off
the, or to start the gate gate. Um, but different
things like that. And then realizing like you,
you talk a certain way and you need to make sure
not talk too fast and you need to make sure that
there's not too much dead space and enunciate
and all of the, like there's, to the artwork
and the you know us trying to even get social
media stuff worked out like there's there's a
lot of things to to pay attention to yeah other
than the thing that we wanted to do which was
sit down and drink a beer and talk about gear
that's coming out or is exciting or is um that
we're thinking about using for one project or
another yep anyway That's what it reminded me
of. Yeah. Tonight's kind of the meta show. Meta
show. We're doing a podcast about doing a podcast.
About doing a podcast. That could be a show title.
The meta podcast or the. The meta show. Meta
show. Meta world peace. Oh, man. I saw an interview.
Never mind. We're not doing that right now. That
guy. Although I do think he got a bad rap for
a few different things that happened in his career.
Somebody throws a beer at you, you are going
to, like, if I throw a beer at somebody, I'm
starting a fight. I'm either in a fight or I'm
starting a fight. At no point would I ever throw
a beer at somebody and then not expect that person
to respond to me. So the idea that, I mean, he
went into the stands and that's totally inappropriate.
I'm like, not if somebody throws a beer at you.
Yeah, that's a different level. You, I mean,
don't be dumb. They may look small on TV, but
all those NBA players are big boys. They're huge.
Yeah. Anyway. Unless they're Muggsy Bogues. He
was a. personal hero of mine as a short man yeah
short kings as they call them now weird anyway
um but yeah the meta meta show the show about
the show yes and making a show and trying to
walk the line of is this is this fun because
we are doing what we want to do or are we I think
as long as we're having fun. Yeah. Who cares
how many downloads you get? That's true. I would
love, we'll get into this a little later. I'd
love to know what causes the ebb and flow. Yeah.
One show would do great and the next show is
just like crickets. Flat. And it's like, did
you just not like us? Yeah. Are we just randomly
showing up on somebody's front page and you get
some extra downloads? Yeah. Or what? Did we upload
it at the wrong time? Are we? I mean, there's
all kinds of things. I mean, it was actually
funny when you said that this is what we're going
to talk about. One of the things that I thought
about was there for a while. It was a really
popular thing for YouTube personalities to make
shows about how they like, you know, what the
secret sauce is of being, you know, getting a
million downloads or. whatever the thing is like
it was it was funny to me because it was almost
like they got an inside track from youtube about
hey we we want you all to make videos about this
for a little bit yeah and then everybody made
one um and then they would all make videos about
how you need to make sure and make uh videos
for yourself and videos for everybody else like
you know you make One for yourself. And then
you would make one for the rest of the world,
the rest of the world. And I was like, wow, that
sounds terrible. Like I get it. If you really
are like, this is your job, but that can't be
why you get into this. No. And you talk about
that. And Michelle just started watching. I'm
not going to know the name of the documentary,
but it's on Netflix about a kid named Piper.
And everything that was happening with her mother's
influence and what they were doing and crossing
the line and kind of creating this YouTube media
monster. Yeah. Yeah. Is this like the, I mean,
you know, they, they did, they've done different
documentaries about like Jojo Siwa and different
stuff like that. But so this is a girl named
Piper. Yeah. The girl, the young girl's name
is Piper. And then they had a bunch of kids.
I think the group was called the squad. Nice.
I'm not going to know the name of the. Of course
not. Of the show. Try not to watch that stuff.
We like what we're doing here, but we're not
trying to like consume it all the time. No. That's
just a terrible place to be. Yes. That and all
of the murder shows that she watches. Okay. Like
the murder podcast, like the murder mystery podcast.
Not podcast. I know I'm talking about like the,
and then the TV stuff. I told Lori, like, we
just, we've got too much going on in our lives.
We don't need to borrow somebody else's bad emotions.
Don't get traumatic. Yes. Well, I joke that Michelle
is actually studying. But when she's ready to
off me, she'll know all the ways to do it right.
And I get caught. Did you ever did you ever hear
that Jim Gaffigan bit about how he watches Dateline?
And he's talking about how he's super romantic.
But, you know, his wife doesn't his wife doesn't
mind. Like she she's fine that he's watching
Dateline. I mean, she's not thrilled that he's
watching it on their anniversary and taking notes.
Yikes. I mean, this guy's just sloppy. It's like
he wants to get caught. Anyway, it was hilarious.
Oh. Now I understand why I can't find that picture
you sent me. Really? H -E -I -C. Oh. My computer
doesn't like it. Yeah, no, it's, that's, yeah,
sorry. Non -Apple guy. You iPhone people. I didn't
mean to. A bunch of elitists. I didn't mean to.
I'm sorry. You got to do it our way. Yeah, I
didn't mean to. Thanks, Steve. You've been gone
for how many years and it's still there, man.
Oh, no, for sure. They're pretty excited about
that. Oh, yeah. Not being. Hey, even better.
Instagram says, even though I got it to work
now. Yeah. Hey, we don't support that file. Cool.
So I'll post it later. I mean, I can probably,
it's fine. I was just trying to get something
out there while the show was going. No, I like
it. It's perfect. That's what we're supposed
to be doing, right? Yep. Probably should actually
do it pre -show as an alert to people to know.
This is happening. Show's starting. Well. Start
setting the expectations for people when we go
live. There you go. They know, like, this is
about when it's going to happen. Are they going
live right now? Are they going live right now?
Now? Get your 2 .0 app and you'll know. Now,
now, now, now, now, now. Oh, no, we just missed
it. That was just, now was just then. No, now
was. I need to watch Spaceballs again. It's a
classic. It is a classic. I don't think my kids
are quite ready for it, but it's getting close.
Yeah, that one is more tame. It is. Than some
of the others. Yeah. Mel Brooks in that one is
a little older. He's mellowing a bit, yeah. Yeah.
But still. Yes. I see your shorts is as big as
mine. No, it's bigger. Your shorts is bigger
than mine. I thought it was. Anyway. All right.
Now we got to look at it. Anyway. So like the,
did you have like a, a plan for what all we were
going to talk about? Or are we just, are we just
bringing stuff up? I think just mostly off the
cuff, but you know, wanting to hit like what
it, what it has been trying to get the show going,
what it's the challenges of maintaining. Yeah.
Cause you know, life doesn't stop just because
you're wanting to do a podcast. No. You know,
trying to be consistent. At least on release.
Yeah. Because I think that's important. People
get used to that schedule. Yeah. And when you
veer off the schedule, it might get a little
cranky. Yeah. Right now, everybody kind of knows
that every other Tuesday. That's when this comes
out. You're getting a show unless life gets too
crazy. Yeah. So it's about, you know, maintaining
that schedule. And then just kind of, we're trying
to figure out this whole, how do you get. yourself
out there more exposure. Like we talked about
before, kind of that ebb and flow. Why does one
show explode? And the very next show is in, is
in the tank. Like what just happened? Yeah. And
just kind of the, you know, just in everything
that we can kind of come up with in between,
but just really just kind of talking about, you
know, you don't get into podcasting, get rich.
You don't get into podcasting to make money.
You do it for fun. Yeah. And then if the money
comes later, that's just a, A bonus. Yeah. So,
I mean, starting at the beginning. Yep. What
is the thing that like you want to talk about,
you know, or what is the, like, what's the idea?
Is there information that you want to like put
out there? Is there. Yeah. I mean, I guess there's
a little bit, you know, kind of pulling the curtain
back a little bit, you know, it's like when I
listened to a podcast. Yeah. I'm just kind of
sitting there kind of going, well, I wonder how
they do it. What is their setup? How do they
configure this? How did they do that? Why does
they not have this particular artifact in their
audio that I have? Yeah. You know, we've been
talking about doing this for quite a long time.
Yeah. It was me just kind of like, yeah, we'll
get there. We'll get there. We'll get there.
And then finally we came up with one. It was
like, oh, that's it. We got to go. Yeah. And
so it's just been trying to, because, I mean,
you've obviously done a few with the church,
and now we've got this one. So for me, this has
been kind of a multifaceted journey of what does
it look like to do a podcast? And you try to
do one well. I'm not an audio engineer, so you're
not going to get the best sound ever, but it's
going to be good enough to want to listen. Yeah.
And it not be, cause to me, I realized that if
you can't get the audio right, it didn't matter
what your content is. Yeah. And that's, I mean,
that's the case for audio content as well as
video. It's amazing what you can live through
watching, but you can't live through listening
to. That's really annoying. If the audio is grating,
you're just going to skip it or turn it off.
Exactly. So, you know, for me, it's, it's been
a learning curve on how to do. The audio, because
we do a lot of post -production, if you will.
Yeah. We're not to the point to where it's record
live to tape, and then you literally just put
an intro and outro on the end and maybe a little
kicker, and off it goes, and it's ready. We record
typically on a Tuesday or a Wednesday, and then
I'm at home with Reaper going, okay, what if
I do this? Oh, I didn't like that. Okay. What
if I do this? I don't like that. Oh, that's okay.
But okay. So what if I give it a little bit more
and it's like, oh, that just got really bad,
really fast. What happened? Don't do that. Um,
so yeah, for me, it's really been a, you know,
it's about learning how to do it. Um, becoming
comfortable with doing this in the beginning
for me, I was nervous as all get out. There was
nobody else in the room. It's just you and me.
And that was nervous. But just the idea of people
are going to download this. They're going to
listen to this. And it's like, Oh my gosh. It's
not like being in front of people kind of nervous,
but it's still that nervous of like, Oh yeah,
this isn't just you and me talking and nobody
hears this ever. And it just goes off into the
ether and that's it. Right. So there was kind
of working through that and trying to feel comfortable.
And as I've heard people say, finding your podcast
voice, which I guess is like having your radio
voice. Yeah, exactly. W N B C trying to find
that type of thing. Um, but, but learning, uh,
you know, learning from you and some of the audio
hitting up Jason for some of the audio. Uh, he's
still after me on my, on my tone talking about,
I just need to EQ your mic and it's, well, tell
me, help me. I understand you want to EQ my mic.
Why don't you tell me how I can EQ my mic? Correct.
Correct. And then we also have the added challenge
of sometimes we're here and we don't want to
mess with this because it's not our setup. Whereas
if we're at home, we can do whatever in the world
we want. We can tweak it, fine tune it. And then
once you find what you want, that's great. But
you can't necessarily take that with you to another
place unless. everything is going to be roadcaster
based and then you grab the show file and you
bring your show file and you load it. Right.
And then when you're done, you put back the other
shows file. Yeah. Or all of your gear is so portable
and so a lot like the pod mic. Yeah. And that,
and that could be, it could be that maybe when
we come here, it's just lay out the pod mic and
show up with a pod mic, plug it in. Here's yours.
EQ. Here's my EQ. Go. it's pumping right into
the computer, recording it into audacity or whatever
it may be. Yeah. It was interesting to me to
hear you talk about the, even the beginning of
this because you know, my, my mindset is always
in the like, well, what are, what are we trying
to, what are we trying to accomplish here? And
what was really fun about this one was I am trying
to accomplish talking to my friend about stuff
that interests me and drinking beer. And that's
perfect. Cause that makes it easy. but you and
I are both also like we're, we're problem solvers
by trade and by personality probably more so.
Yeah. So like even the idea of approaching a
podcast as like, Oh, how listening to another
podcast and being like, how are they doing that?
Like what, what, what exactly is involved with
that? And less like, man, want to be famous like
no I don't want to be famous I'm not trying to
be famous I'm trying like I didn't I want to
know what that what is that what are they what
what does it take to do that and so then you
know then you look at the gear because gear is
sexy I don't care what Stephen Myers says yeah
gear is sexy oh yeah it's so cool like oh my
goodness it leads to gas it does get your acquisition
syndrome yeah every time I, you know, I knew
gas first as guitar acquisition syndrome, but
yes, it works. I knew it personally as gear acquisition
syndrome because I just didn't know what to call
it because that, I mean, all the time it's like,
Ooh, that toy looks fun. Yep. Or, Ooh, that could
solve a lot of problems. I mean, how many times
did we want a new pocket knife? i don't really
like i'm not i'm not doing a lot of whittling
over here yeah i'm not even opening a lot of
boxes right now but man that new pocket knife
has a spring in it that's the coolest thing ever
click yeah but stuff like that it just kind of
piques your interest and you're like what can
you do with that what what why would that be
a oh that does this and then that okay so then
you need one of those because once you get the
you know, voice out of your mouth, then you've
got to be able to capture that. Like the, okay,
so I need a microphone, but then like, is there
a better XLR or is it like, they're all the same
and then, okay, okay, okay. So, you know, I can
just get a, I'm pretty cheap here. So I'm just
going to get a stand that sits on the table,
but all the guys that do this professionally
have these arms that they do. stick over the
top of it i mean you know it's like just it just
keeps going down the line of this thing and that
thing and i'm my wife's like so patient with
me but it's so hard for me to not like when i
start something new to not like go uh all in
all in and i mean like like i'm not gonna buy
the cheap stuff because the the cheap stuff is
like i'm just gonna have to repurchase that and
then i'm yep whatever and when we registered
for um wedding or whatever she was like what's
the cheapest uh can opener we can find and i
was like no and so finally like the story was
we're in bed bath and beyond and she makes me
put down the can opener that's the right can
opener in my mind it's not the most expensive
one But like, this is, this is a quality one.
This is not, but we're whatever. It's a can opener.
I mean, we're not talking about like hundreds
of dollars here. Correct. But it's a, it's a
can opener. It's a nice can opener. And she makes
me put it back and she hands me like the little
crap, like just junkie can opener. And so with
my fiance. They're right next to me. I take the
little scanner and I scan the crappy can opener
and I said, we'll be buying another one of you
later. Yes. Don't buy the crap. I heard it put
well the other day that if you're going to be
using something every day or almost every day,
you should really buy something good. Don't buy
trash. And I really don't like buying trash for
anything that I get because I don't, I don't
like, and it's to me, the funny part, I know
this is explaining my white middle classness
to everybody. And I'm so sorry. But like the,
the idea that like I, even if it's something
that I don't use very often, I don't want to
come to something that I like a tool. that I
don't use very often, but I, but I need it to
do something and I go up to it and it's broken
or it's not working because I didn't buy the
right one. And it's that like, I just need it
to be reliable. I just need it to do what it's
supposed to do. This is annoying. And you get
into that mentality with podcast gear and all
of a sudden, like number one, it is super fun.
Oh wow. That was, that was very sharp. It was,
it is super fun to look at all of the solutions
that are out there and find like all of the different,
like even the fact that PodMic has been out there
for a while, but I didn't know anything about
it. And you bring one and it's like, wow, this
thing is awesome. Like the, you, you research
this enough and you find these little niche products
or these things that were built for this specific
purpose. Yeah. And it's like, that's amazing.
I want that. Oh yeah. But you know, we're also
not realists. What's the, um, you would say realist
for sure. Um, the, uh, pessimist, practicalist,
practicalist, practical. No, that's not the word,
but practical. We're both practical. Yep. And
so you want to find something that's useful for
a bunch of different things. Yep. So my first,
one of my first, like, microphone searches was
trying to find if there was a, um, a podcast
mic that was a good reference mic. Cause I'm
like, well, if I'm going to buy a microphone
that does everything that I need it to do. And
then you are like, no, I don't, this is not,
this is not one for one. Like I want the reference
mic to be as flat as possible. And I want the
podcast mic to not make me sound like I only
have, coming out of my nose. Because that's real.
Yeah. Yeah, I guess what I've kind of learned
is, you know, you want to kind of put this in
terms that maybe some people understand. Everybody
wants the Milwaukee or the DeWalt. Yeah. And
if you have the money. Great. Great. You're never
going to complain. But it is okay to buy the
Ryobi. You're not buying. I thought you were
going to say Porter Cable. No, no. You know,
Ryobi is maybe not the best, but it gets the
job done. It gets the job done well. Right. What's
the Harbor Freight? Yes. That's what you got
to stay away from. Maybe, maybe, maybe some hand
tools. Okay. But if it's a power tool. Don't
touch it. Don't touch it. It's like you're looking
at a microphone. Don't buy the $30 microphone
off of Amazon because it has lights and. Looks
fancy. I mean, especially if it's got lights,
don't buy it. You're going to regret it. Yeah.
That's a mistake. You know, kind of hit that
upper level. So, you know, most of the microphones
that I have, on the higher end, I think the RE27
was $450, and that's a lot of money. Now, you
can go $1 ,000. You know, and however high up
you want to go. Right. So that's kind of the
peak for me, but most of mine that I've bought
because I can't have just one, it's like Lays.
You can't have just one. No. Or anywhere from
$250 to $350. Right. You know, and again, that's
kind of that Ryobi middle of the road. It's going
to work well. Yeah, that's what you should be
expecting. Correct. And then it's also nice that
when you start digging into, well, what is this
particular person using? And then you start finding
out, oh, they have some of the same gear that
I do. Yeah. It's like, okay, well, I'm on the
right track. Yeah. Hardware wise. And it makes
a difference. So make sure you buy something
good. Right. Because you can't fix a bad mic.
And yeah, the source has to be right. Yeah. And
then once you've got the mic figured out. then
you've got to get the right mixer, whatever you're,
whatever you're going to use. Yeah. Preamps are
a big deal. You know, do you want it to make
you sound washed out? Do you want it to super
color your audio? What are you looking for? So
again, you've got to buy a good quality product.
Right. And then for me, you know, you buy the
nice mic, you buy the, the road caster. You look
like you know what you're doing. And then you're
like, oh, now I have this recording. What do
I do? Yeah. And it's like, I'm going to YouTube.
Well, that guy's doing that. So let me try that.
Oh, that guy's doing that. I'll try that next
time. And this is trying to processing like this
is the post post work that you're talking about.
Yeah. You know, this guy sets his gate this way.
This guy, you know, sets his EQ this way. you
know, just, you're just experimenting and kind
of like, there is no simple way to do it. Yeah.
You know, I think that's the step that I usually
take for granted because I've been doing one
version of that or another for a while, which
was why it was exciting to me when you said you
wanted to do that. It was like, that's awesome.
Cause that's a skill. Yeah. Like you got to hone
your ear to be able to hear, yeah the difference
between you know um too much bass and you know
i i mean muddy and thin and correct what's the
you know okay like that was too much on the sibilance
like okay so which frequency do i need to look
at for Trying to tame that. I'll say something
to do with the mic that you're on. Yeah. No,
but like just talking about figuring that out
and then it's amazing how whenever you've spent,
you know, hours trying to fix that in a recording,
it changes the way that you record the next time.
Oh yeah. Cause now I'm turning my head a little
bit differently to try to not make that same
mistake again. And that's, what's going to make
the, live in drinking. Right. Because if you
don't have your levels right before you go live.
Right. You're just going to get what you get.
And you don't throw a fit. No. And if it sounds
like trash, it's just going to sound like trash.
It just happens to be life. Live trash. Live
trash. There you go. Trash that stains your,
you know. Close. Yes. Anyway, sorry. So just,
yeah. So for me, it's really been a, a journey
of learning. Yeah. Journey sounds kind of cheesy.
Sure. But you know, learning not just hardware
hard to me, the hardware part is easy. Yeah.
It's the, that's what, what's your appetite.
Correct. It's setting the EQ, you know, okay.
I need a pop filter for this or. I need to know
if I go off axis on this microphone, what is
that going to do? So I've got to make sure I'm
like up on the mic. Don't get off on the side.
You know, all these little things that go into
the recording that you're going to get. What's
the proximity effect? What does it do on this
microphone? That type of thing. This one should
have a really good proximity. Oh my goodness.
Really good. Well, and that's, and that's the
thing. So like the mic that you're on and already
re three 20. they try to eliminate the proximity
effect. Yeah. So you try to get that real voice
as much as you can, no matter how close or how
far away you are. Right. Other mics, you know,
people love the proximity effect. That's why
so many people like the Heil PR -40. You get
up on that thing, you're almost eating that mic,
you get all that extra basic boom in your voice,
and you sound like you've got a radio voice.
Yeah. I mean, that's the SM. 7b is a lot of that
yep which is kind of kind of funny to me because
you know it was made popular by michael jackson
using it in thriller but or you know anyway um
because if if there's one thing michael jackson
is not it's woofy no he's definitely not he's
not no that is kind of crazy to think that the
original version of this just the sm7 yeah was
used on that, on that album. And really hasn't
been changed that much. No, just minor tweaks
until the most recent one that kind of basically
put the cloud lifter in the mic, the DB, I believe
they call it. Yeah. Pretty good idea. Anyway.
But, you know, then after post, then you're,
then you're talking about like, well, how do
I get this out there? And what, like what platform
am I using for this? Do I have a webpage? Do
I have a, am I hosting this somewhere else? Does
it matter? Like what is, what is even the, you
know, the difference between all of these things?
You mean I can't just like have it on my computer
and then everybody can download it, Chris? You
could try to pull it off, but I wouldn't suggest
it. Yeah. Don't do that. Yeah. So, I mean, it
really does come down to who is your hosting
company. And we looked at a ton. We did. You
know, I had grandiose visions in the beginning.
Yeah. We tried actually, I think two or three
different ways of doing this. Yeah. For this
show. Yep. Yep. I thought, you know, we're going
to, we're going to self host. It's going to be,
this is going to be amazing. I'm going to personally
build out all of this RSS. um, XML behind the
scenes for all this podcasting 2 .0. This is
going to be amazing. Watch what I can do. Right.
And then it just was like, Oh yeah, I'm not going
to do that. Yeah, no, that's, that's, I'm not
doing that. So we settled with rss .com. Yeah.
They do some things that are 2 .0. Yeah. They're
slowly adding more. Yeah. You know, but they're
not going to add it if they're paying, um, people
aren't asking for it. Right. So, and there are
some others that they're, Pure 2 .0, and that's
great, but their pricing models don't necessarily
fit as well. No. And so you try to find that
compromise. What are you willing to pay for?
And what are you remembering as a hobby? Correct.
And I love the idea that if someday we did ever
explode... It's their problem to deal with all
the bandwidth. Yeah. We don't have to keep up
with that mess. That's nice. Like that's y 'all's
problem. I'm going to keep paying you 20 bucks
a month. Suckers. Yes. Y 'all are going to eat
that. Yeah. So, but yeah, there's a lot that
goes, that goes into that, you know, to your
point. And once you've kind of got it, you know,
okay, where's this artwork going to come from?
Is it going to stay the same art every time?
Right. That's fine. A lot of most podcasts do
that. Yeah. I like the idea of changing it up.
Make it something different. It makes it obvious.
Oh, that's not the same art from the previous.
And we're rotating art. So it is eventually going
to loop back. And I'm feeling the itch to get
some more. Yep. So it's been a while. Where'd
you get it? I went to Fiverr. Fiverr. Yeah. I
could try experimenting with some of the AI tools
and try to put together something, but that's
not my forte. Sure. I'm not a, I'm not a prompt
jockey. If we need to do a show on AI prompts,
then maybe that'll be a reason to do it. So I've
been pleased with what we've got. I really want
to, I'm not a prompt jockey. I'm not, I'm not
a prompt jockey. There are some people that are
excellent at it and the art that they can, that
they can produce is off the charts. But I would
love to actually hone in on a logo. For the show.
And then that can reoccur in the art. Yeah. But
I still want that etched on these mugs. Yeah.
We got to figure that out. And I still want to
figure out once you've donated so much to the
show, you get a mug, you know, kind of gamified
a little bit, but that also gets into, okay,
now how do we get that reach? Yeah. Jason, you've,
you've, you've made it, man. Yeah. Yeah. As soon
as we get into etch mugs, Yours will be hand
delivered. So, yeah, once you've kind of, okay,
I figured out I've got my hosting company. It's
going to get out there. They're going to put
me in all these various services or whatever
you want to call it, you know, Apple, Google,
Amazon, Spotify, you know, all these other companies.
And you know that you're kind of just giving
them your product. And they're going to advertise
on it all they want and make money off of you,
and you're not going to get anything in return.
Boo. But that's kind of that entry of like, well,
if that's what it takes to get some exposure,
then that's what it takes. Right. Which is, again,
now we've moved into the reach side of it. Correct.
How do we get more exposure? So making sure you're
on different platforms. Different platforms and
just kind of looking at shows. So I will pull
back the curtain and give people some real numbers.
There you go. We'll go back, what, five shows?
Five shows. One, two, three, four. Okay, so five
shows ago was Dave, my mind is going, I can feel
it. The AI Show. I don't know who comes up with
these titles. I do. Some of them are good. 18
downloads since that show came out. 18. Again,
that's why I say we're doing this for fun. We're
not doing this for money. Right. If we were doing
it for money, we'd be crying. Yeah, 18 downloads
is hard to stomach if you're doing it for money.
Correct. It's just for fun. Oh, actually, I guess
that wasn't the AI show. I thought that was.
Because the very next one is Bearing Gear AI
Edition. So no, we did it. We did. Remember,
this was the we did the show on AI. Yes. And
then we did the show that was the AI like fed
back into itself. That's right. Yeah. So the
yeah. So my mind is going was us talking AI.
Right. AI edition was me using a notebook and
feeding it back into itself and showing how it
hallucinates and falls apart. Yeah. Because and
can't say Redfern can't say Redfern. And you
didn't go to Oklahoma for college. I did. Yeah,
no, that's exciting. Yes. Oh, I didn't mean to
click that. Go back. So AI edition got a whole
whopping 11 downloads. Maybe it's because our
voices sound so much alike. Our radio voices
are very similar. I'm just kidding. Yeah. So
after that, it's altered reality with beer donations.
That was a good show. Eight downloads. It was
a good show. It was a good show. Let's talk about
this for a second. You don't... It was a good
show if it was a good show. It's not a good show
based on... Downloads. Downloads. Correct. Can't
do that to yourself. No. Now, I will admit that
probably the show that we could have skipped
or maybe try to find a way to make it be a little
better was the Wi -Fi show. Yeah. All we were
doing was literally reading specs. I was so tired,
but that got 38 downloads, which is hilarious.
Cause that's not a good show. No, no, it was
not. It was, it was okay. It's fine. So it's
just not like, you know, there's nothing really
original about what we were doing. Okay. So then
the next show still haven't got a cease and desist.
It'll come someday. I'm sure. Sure. It was our
30th episode. So I thought I was being creative.
30 for 30. I mean, you are being creative. Mobile
device management. Yes. 30 downloads. Okay. No
idea why it changed. Yeah. I'm essentially using
the same base tags, if you will. Right. With
some modifications based off of what we may be
talking about. And then you go to the most recent
show. Non -alcoholic because we didn't have any
beer. That's right. We were both drinking Dr.
Pepper and Coke. Dr. Pepper and Coke. Analog
versus digital. Six downloads. And it's like,
again, I used all the base tags that we normally
do. Nobody knows. Exactly. So no idea what's
going on. Because all you ever see are downloads.
Right. You have no idea what's going on. Nope.
If you do get somebody who happens to be 2 .0
capable, maybe they'll send you a boost and say,
hey, your show sucks. You should stop doing this.
Or they'll send it and go, actually, that was
a pretty good show. Have you considered this?
So finding ways to get feedback would be huge
to helping us try to figure out how do we get
more reach? How do we get out there? What are
people more interested in? Maybe we're talking
about topics. most of the time that people really
don't care about. And so it's there, but there
is no rhyme or reason to the shows that seem
to hit. And so there is some SEO like magic that
we haven't discovered yet. And I'm sure people
could tell us that. Well, sure. RSS .com. If
you want to pay the money and sit down and talk
with them, they'll talk about how they would
help you increase the reach of your show. Do
this differently. But that's real numbers. I'm
not afraid to put them out there. No. I'm not
trying to outdo Joe Rogan. Oh, gosh, no. I have
fun doing the show. And as long as I'm having
fun and you're having fun and we like the beer.
I mean, I like this beer. We'll just keep coming
back. If we were doing the donations every time,
we might have a problem. Yes. That or if every
episode was the old Rasputin. Oh, my gosh. That
did the show quickly. So we do this. We do a
beer for you and then a beer for us. Yes. And
there have been some episodes where we were bringing
something new that I brought a backup beer because
you're trying something new. You don't know what
you're going to get. Old Rasputin is a classic
example for us. And I don't want to have a bad
night. No, no. That's not why we're here. So
far, I've been a trooper and I've powered through
everyone that I've opened. I have not. That's
okay. That's okay. So, but you know, so that's
kind of a piece that now I'm trying to figure
out. It's like, okay, I'm still working on audio.
We've got good hardware that covers a multitude
of sins. It really does. But now what's going
on with reach? Because we, let me find it. When
I go to distribution, we're on Spotify, Amazon
music, podcast index, go 2 .0. Listen notes.
I've never heard of that one. Listen notes. I
don't know anything about it, but it's one that
they offer. And of course we're in the RSS community,
Apple podcast, Pandora tune in. I heart radio
and Deezer of all things. Yeah. And we do convert
the show over for YouTube. Yeah. YouTube audio.
Yep. So on YouTube, you're basically seeing the
chapter art. With the audio. So it's not impressive
on YouTube. No. By any means. But we're getting
something out there. So we're doing everything
we can to cast the net as far as we can go. Right.
Without spending way more money. Correct. And
I'm sure if we went to somebody and paid them
a bunch of money, they'd be like, well, hey,
we're going to do this and that. And we're going
to. Get you sponsors and whatever. And then the
show starts changing because now we've got money
dictating what we can and can't say about things
and what we can talk about. Gross. And I don't
want to get into that. No. So now it really is.
Okay. What are the keywords that seem to hit?
Let's keep bringing those back as long as they
make sense. I don't want to throw out a keyword
just for the sake of downloads. No. So it'll
just be kind of continuing to. see what I can
learn from this and what you can learn from this
and things that we can do to, to improve the
reach. I mean, it is a slow process or stuff
like that. And I feel like the, you know, part
of what makes it so slow is the, like how beside
the point it feels from where it was started.
Yeah. You know, so it has to be like, there has
to be a desire to, to learn about that in order
to really spend time on it. Yeah. Because we're
busy guys. Yep. Both have full -time jobs. Yep.
And kids. Yep. Which is another full -time job.
Correct. Or two. Or two or three. Yeah. So, so
yeah, so it's just kind of continuing to figure
this out. Yeah. So if anybody out there, if you're
listening, you have ideas, throw them our way.
Love to hear from you. We'd love a boost. Yeah.
Can't beat it if you can do it. Otherwise, Beer
and Gear Podcast at gmail .com. There you go.
Always looking for something to come in there.
Absolutely. So send it our way. Other than the
spam. Well, we're not good enough yet to have
spam. It's kind of where I'm at. That's true.
It's just the normal spam. There's not a whole
lot coming in. Well, I mean, when I look at you.
We were joking about this, but we're getting
stuff from blueberry. That's a hosting provider.
Yeah. We get stuff from Albie, which is for our
boosts. We get stuff occasionally from rss .com.
Oh, what else is out there? And some YouTube.
Google is like, Oh, uh, is this still active?
Yeah. And we've still got some stuff where you
set up Instagram for us and you set up X. Yeah.
That was terrible. Yeah. Um, so there's not a
whole lot going on there. But again, yeah, if
you're listening and you've got ideas, send them
our way. Absolutely. I'm open to any feedback
that anybody can offer. I'm not afraid of constructive
criticism. Not at all. Send it on over. I'm not
afraid of unconstructive criticism at this point.
I mean, what can they do? True. So what did Jason
say? Oh, you want to hit the boost? Yeah. Well,
before we do that, I do want to say that we did
pass one milestone. Yes, we did. Since the last
show, we broke a thousand total downloads. Boom.
Big deal for me. Sure. I mean, that's a lot of
downloads now. It took a year. It took a year
and a half, but that's okay. It's fine. That's
what. We're a little podcast. Correct. And I
realized that with rss .com, you've got to do
that every month. Yeah. To get into their monetization.
Listen, I've been downloading it five times a
week. Well, apparently what I need to do is,
yeah, I need to. Here's what I need to do. I
need to take advantage of some of these download
farms over in India. Yeah, that's right. And
artificially crank up our number. It's like,
listen, what is that cost based off what RSS
will pay me? Let's find a let's find one in Australia
just because they were the last Aussies. Yeah,
they were the last to show up. They might want
more money. Nevermind. Let's go to the lowest
bidder. There you go. Okay. So yeah, we do have
a boost for the show. For those that don't know,
boost is a part of podcasting 2 .0. It enables
you to send Satoshi's, which is fractions of
a Bitcoin to us. And with that, you're, you're
helping push the show, promote the show. Right.
And you get to throw a little message in and
your message gets read on the show. And we get
a fraction of a cent toward them. Fractions upon
fractions of a cent. We have a whole whopping
$6 .26 out there. Dadgum right. Yeah. So Jason
sent us. My kid's college fund. There you go.
As long as we get deflation. So Jason sent us
111 sats with a message that says mini row of
sticks. Yeah. Think about that one once. Goodbye,
the days of copper snakes. Bring on the STP with
Ethercon. Dadgum right. Heck yeah, man. I mean,
Jason, I know you knew exactly what I was talking
about. Oh, yeah. It's just that moment that you
see the coil of Cat 5, and you're like, wait,
what? Uh -huh. I remember thinking, like, that's
not possible. There's no way. There's no way
that, oh my gosh, it does. If I remember correctly,
that's AES 50. Yeah, AES 50 was the one that
we used for anything Behringer or Wing. AES 50
is Clark Technics. Yes. Not everybody uses the
same. That's a different show. I'm talking about
that, right? We need to do a snake show. We need
to do a, well, we need to do a, um, an audio
show, an AV show or whatever that, that talks
about the, um, the same type of thing that we
talked about with computers, you know, when we
did PC and Mac and how, when you have different,
uh, when you have companies that are competing
with each other, the idea that, They have to
have the same standards or the same, I don't
know. Protocol? Protocols. I mean, insert what
you want to when it comes to how they interact
with each other. There's something to be gained
by. making it available for everybody yeah everybody
talking the same language and there's something
to be gained from making it exclusive and the
weighing of that happens in every industry i'm
sure um but the fact that some of this is not
settled in the av world i'd love to hear jason's
thoughts on this so jason if you're listening
anyway maybe that's a future show Yeah, this
does say that it's primarily used by Behringer
and Midas. Which is the same company. Correct.
Now. Yes. And Clark Technic is a part of them.
So they actually... I believe so. Music Tribe
bought Clark Technic. Yeah, I believe so. Let
me confirm that so I'm not doing any... Oh, what's
the term? Fake news. He totally was wrong. They're
not owned by those people. Anyway, it is like,
but it's one of those things that they, like
I talked about, then you have to, it makes sense
for people to have everything in house. And it
makes sense for people to have things that talk
to other companies or other products, products
made by other companies. And as the end user,
sometimes it's awesome when everything is made
by the same company. And sometimes it's kind
of a pain in the rear. Yep. So, yeah, Music Tribe,
formerly Music Group, does have Behringer, Midas,
Turbosound, TC Electric, Clark Technic, TC Helicon.
I don't know that one. TC Helicon. Yeah. Sorry,
we'll talk about that. But they're all under
the same umbrella. I don't think I realized that
they had a TC Helicon or TC electric. That's
interesting. They've got them both turbo sound
to know in lab grouping and Aston microphones.
Really? Yeah. I know you like your Aston. I do
like my Aston. Let's say that a little slower.
Well, what's going in my. I don't remember if
it was a commercial or what it was, complimenting
a guy about his ascot. And he says, you bet your
ass I do. That's funny. No, I definitely did
not know that. Yeah, they have Vasta microphones.
I wouldn't wear that either. I mean, I could
say all kinds of things about this. We'll talk
later. Yes. Save it for the next show. Hey, man,
thanks for hanging out. I enjoyed it, man. It's
good beer as always. Always. Dadgum. Can definitely
recommend Sanctimonium. We definitely need to
look at True Vine as a location for a live show.
That would be a good one. There in East Texas
Brewery. It would probably be hard to pull one
off at BJ's Restaurant. Yeah, I mean, I feel
like East Texas Brewery, if we did it outside,
we wouldn't have the problem. But East Texas
Brewery and BJ's would have the same. This is
really loud. Yeah. Well, East Texas Brewery,
they do have that. If we can go down the stairs
and they have that separate room with a whole
nother bar. Yeah. If it's not too crazy there
and they don't have live music, you could totally
pull it off. Absolutely. So True Vine, they've
got a lot of potential. or options. Yeah. It's
kind of out of the way. Yep. Anyway, thanks for
joining us. Enjoyed it, man. See you, everybody.
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