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Hey, Chris, how you doing? Hey, John. Real quick.

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Oh. I see those solid states sitting on the table.

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Does one of those happen to be plugged in? Yeah.

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Okay. Not one of these, but another one. Okay.

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All right. Check in before we get going. It doesn't

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give me a green light if I don't plug it in.

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Fair enough. So now it's red because we're recording.

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I know we've had some issues with the internal.

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It's happened once or twice or five times. Yeah.

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All right. Not even on this show. Like, it hasn't

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happened to us as much as it's happened to me

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on others. On others, yes. Oh, man. True. The

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struggle is real, guys. Yes. Living with ADD

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is not a joke. Yeah. Yeah, that feeling in the

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pit of your stomach when you go, I think I lost

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the entire show. I'm pretty sure we weren't recording.

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Or, oh, it stopped recording. Yes. That's fun.

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That's a good one because you're not looking

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at that light the entire time. No, you're not.

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I put it out of the way, which is sometimes good

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and sometimes bad. Yes. Anyway. Anyways. It's

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good to be back. Good to be back. Always good

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to hang out and talk and. Yes. Get some brewskis.

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Oh, yes. Speaking of. Speaking of tonight. What

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are we drinking? There's a bottle opener behind

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you, too. I won't need it tonight. You're not

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going to need it tonight. No bottle openers needed

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tonight. No, that's a big boy. This is exactly

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why I said tonight we slay giants. We slay giants.

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We are having from local True Vine. True Vine.

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Giant Slayer. Giant Slayer. It's a good one.

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Yes, it is. I was like, you've had this before,

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right? Oh, I have. Yeah, Giant Slayer has been

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on their menu for a while. Yes. Menu. Now, when

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they have it in the Nitro, it's even better.

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I'm sorry? The very first time I had this, they

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offered it in a Nitro. No, I didn't. I've never.

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I didn't know that they'd done that. I haven't

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seen it since. Oh, okay. It was just that one

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time. Yeah. Michelle and I went one time with

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Jacob and his wife, Laura. Okay. To Truevine.

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And it was on there. I'm like, Nitro, take my

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money. What happened? Where'd all my money go?

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Yes. But it was so good going down. Yeah, man.

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So yeah, I love this one. It's really good. Okay.

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And you bought a growler. Well, yeah. Nobody

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can see us. That's why I'm saying that. That's

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okay. We're excited. There's a picture of beer

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here. So we spent our $10 buy -in to get the

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growler. Nice. So going back, all we pay for

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is the beer. Nice. Yes. So $33. $10 is the bottle.

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Nice. And whatever we want to do again in the

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future, we'll go fill it up, and it'll be about

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$22, $23. And that's how many fluid ounces? 64

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ounces. I can sit here and just drink from the

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jug. Put it on your pinky. All right. She did

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put some electrical tape around it. Yeah, I see

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that. That's not joking around. You're lucky

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it's not wax. Oh, that'd be bad. Yeah. So this

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is their way. Electrical tape basically is wax

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though, right? Sort of. It's a plastic. And when

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you don't have fingernails, it doesn't help.

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Are you telling me you don't have fingernails?

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No, I have a nasty habit of biting my fingernails

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off. No, I, yeah. Getting nervous and stressed

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and next thing I know I'm chomping and it's like,

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that's not a healthy thing to do. Chris Kincaid

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would be the last person on earth I would expect

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to have fingernails. And not because I think

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he's nervous. I just, it's not a thing. All right.

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Oh, I should have put that in front of the mic.

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Yeah, that was nice. I wasn't expecting that.

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I could hear that through the headphones. I heard

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a little bit. I'll let you pour for yourself.

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Oh, come on. No, it is 10%. And it is very much

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all the way at the top. Yeah, they don't play

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around. We're not going to spill this. I'm trying

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not to. That looks good. There's a little drop

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coming down the side, so. That's okay. All right.

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Oh. I just licked the mug. That's worth it. Okay,

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well. Right about there is good. It is black,

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black. Oh yes, it is. I love it. Love a good

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time. Okay. Cheers with our big mugs. Yep. At

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least it didn't break. Oh my gosh. And I'll be

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up here the rest of the night cleaning up. Yes.

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Oh yes. Oh yes. I was actually at fresh. This

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is a callback to last episode, which not a lot

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of people listen to. No, it was bad. Don't know

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what happened. Here's a bloodbath. Um, but, uh,

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I was at fresh, um, today actually, and saw the,

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um, was it the, the Porter that we were talking

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about that, um, founders make? Yes. The one that

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was like coffee and chocolate or whatever. That

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is a very good one. Yeah. It was there. And I

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was like, ah, if I wasn't in such a hurry. Anyway.

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Well, I tried a new one and it didn't go so well.

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Oh yeah. What'd you try? Uh, well we had the,

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we've had the left hand stout and we've had the

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level. Jason had the, um, the nitro version on

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that show. Okay. So they're milk stouts. They're

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great. Yeah. They make a peanut butter milk stout.

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And when I saw that, I'm like, Oh, just take

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my money already. Yeah. And then I tried it and

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it was bad. I got to tell you, like, I like peanut

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butter, but when I see peanut butter stout on

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a beer, I'm not like super sure I'm going to

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like that. I was going in. Maybe I went in with

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too much. Too much zeal. Expectation. Man, that

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is good. Not, sorry, not the peanut butter stout.

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Oh, they don't have a blurb. The Giant Slayer

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is delicious. The Giant, oh, they have no blurb.

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Sorry, folks. Here's what I would say. Come to

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Tyler. Yes, go to True Vine. Go to True Vine.

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Whatever kind of beer you like, they're going

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to have something good there. Absolutely. So

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I was going back and forth between this and Sanctimonium.

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Sanctimonium, I think, usually wins out for me.

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But this is really good. It is. This is one of

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those, like, same exact recipe. I'm sure they're

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not doing a whole lot different. Yeah. But for

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some reason, this is, like, really good tonight.

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Because it was poured from a growler. Poured

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from a growler. That probably did it right there.

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Sorry, folks. No blurbs. That's weird. True Vine

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makes some good beer, though. They do. If you're

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ever in East Texas, go find them on Earl Campbell

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Parkway. yeah support your local brewing company

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support your local brewing company wherever they

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are um true vine is one of those uh ones though

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that started out pretty small and has become

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a much bigger deal it's almost like they're part

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of building a community over there in west tyler

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so i i'm the guys who yeah Run it and the. That's

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their thing. Love, integrity, and community.

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Yes. Oh, that's a TV. Okay. I like the old logo

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better, but love, integrity, and community is

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great. Yep. The owners are Ryan and Tracy Dixon,

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and they're great. Yep. And they got like a whole,

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like it used to be just them out there, and now

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there's. There's all these stores and there's

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a church and there's this place called Apple

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Gals or Apple Gal or something like that. Yes.

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My wife loves it. They do like caramel covered

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apples, but like all these different kinds of

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covered apples and stuff. And it's delicious.

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Lemon Yellow has amazing desserts. Yeah. Lemon

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Yellow has amazing desserts. There's a little

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coffee place over there too. Likewise. Is that

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the coffee place? Likewise. Anyway. And they're

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about to get a Chick -fil -A, like, across the

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street. They are. Not across Earl Campbell, but

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across the loop. Pretty darn close. Yeah. That's

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crazy. Anyway. Great beer. And they usually have,

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like, live music out there, too, and stuff like

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that. And good pizza with Solo. Yeah. The Giant

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Slayer, though. I knew I was going to like it.

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Sorry, didn't know I was going to like it. I

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hoped I was going to like it when I first got

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it. Because Giant Slayer, I think they're referencing

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David, King David. I don't know that that's true,

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but, you know, David and Goliath. Sounds good.

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But did you see that Prime has a... king david

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uh oh the tv show i've heard about it i haven't

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watched it yet i've watched one episode so far

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i was curious if they could keep it even remotely

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accurate um because they can't do lord of the

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rings no they can't and and it it is not uh okay

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so what i would say is that it's um it's not

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quite as good as like chosen in terms of like

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i think how much effort has been put in for that

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specific purpose okay but i mean there's there

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are straight up like there's a first episode

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there's um the confrontation with um samuel and

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saul um and You know, there's some theatrics

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involved, but it also like, that's exactly what

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the Bible says happened with some of the things

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that he said. He gave him the whole, like, you

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know, God has torn the kingdom from you. Saul

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grabs onto his robe and it tears. And anyway,

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there's like things that I was like, that's,

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that's exactly that. Yeah. But you know, Well,

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I know they've got to do a little embellishing

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to take it and turn it into a show. Yeah. But

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sometimes that's where they get completely off

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the rails. So if you can at least keep the core

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correct, then I can give you some of those added

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liberties that you need to do to stretch. And

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we'll see. They've got, at least in the way that

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it looks like, they've got Jonathan being portrayed.

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Quite a bit older than David. And I don't know

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if it's because their relationship is so close.

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I just always pictured them as being basically

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the same age. Yep. And I mean, there's not anywhere

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I think that says that. So Jonathan was fighting

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battles when David was. you know tending sheep

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and yeah was surprising to come in and try to

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fight a battle so uh there's there's a there's

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probably i mean it's probably a good chance that

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jonathan was actually like an older brother to

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david yeah um but i just never would have thought

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of it that way because they're so close and i

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don't know that it has to be that way but and

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then uh the other part of it um is they like

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i actually have had a suspicion for a while based

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on some of what David says in the Psalms, and

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then also the fact that Jesse doesn't call him

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in as one of his sons from the field whenever

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Samuel's there to anoint one of his sons, that

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David may have been born out of wedlock. Okay,

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yeah, I can see that. Possible. It's just one

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of those, like, I don't know. Maybe that's the

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case and maybe it's not. It's never, I think,

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said for sure. But regardless, like, there's

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a reference to it in this, which at least makes

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me think that these people have read the Bible

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a lot. Sure. So we'll see. That's not really

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what this podcast is for, but it did make me

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think of it with Giant Slayer. Okay. We're going

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to talk about some security stuff. Well, security

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is one way of looking at it. Sure. Another way

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of looking at it is MDM. MDM. Mobile device management.

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Mobile device management. But I guess what I

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was referring to is, like, why do we even have

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MDM? Well. Why is that a thing? I need to break

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up that voice. When I was a young whippersnapper.

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I thought you were going to say, when one corporation

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falls in love with one device manufacturer, they

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get together and they have devices that are there.

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There you go. No, for me, it's more like, well,

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you see, when I was a young man, we didn't have

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MDM. No. At best, we had Active Directory. Okay,

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this is good. This is good because I don't think

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I thought of it from that side of things. Okay,

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so. Yeah, I mean, you go far enough back. Active

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Directory, I mean, most of the time, I think

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nowadays, you're just talking about, hey, this

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is how we distribute a login. Correct. Or whatever.

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But most people don't even really know what they're,

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they're logging into their computer. Correct.

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They're not really thinking about anything else

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that that is providing. It's kind of what it's

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been watered down to is Active Directory is nothing

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more than, oh, that's my user and I log in and

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occasionally I change my password. Yeah. You

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know, they don't think. Man, I get yelled at

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all the time by people that are like, I don't

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want to change my password again. I'm like, I

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don't care. Got to. Change your password. Change

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your password, please. So, yeah, I mean, they

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don't get the concept of group policy. and how

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powerful group policy actually is. Now, we're

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talking Windows here. We're not necessarily talking

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Mac. There are some third -party applications

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that you can put on a Mac to extend some features

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of Active Directory to a Mac. Right. But generally

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speaking, we're talking Windows. We're talking

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nerdy talk of, you know, like, I'm going to...

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Take away your ability to get into the control

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panel. Or I'm going to only let you touch certain

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pieces in the control panel. Or you're not going

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to be able to modify your start menu. Or however

00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.320
I want to lock your machine down. Right. I can

00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.059
lock it down. All right, big bad IT guy. Why

00:16:45.059 --> 00:16:47.840
would you want to lock down somebody's technology?

00:16:49.860 --> 00:16:51.620
There's a polite way to say this. I'm trying

00:16:51.620 --> 00:16:56.000
to change the wording. That is such an authoritarian.

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What do we get in trouble for being? We're talking

00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:06.940
about the good old days of IT. You are a fascist.

00:17:07.940 --> 00:17:12.059
You are a technology fascist. I'm a techno -fascist?

00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:20.279
Techno -fascist who doesn't like people. Yeah,

00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:23.000
yeah, yeah. Sorry, go ahead. It's all about protecting

00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:29.970
the device. the corporate data from intentional

00:17:29.970 --> 00:17:34.069
or even unintentional misuse of a device. That's

00:17:34.069 --> 00:17:37.369
what a fascist would say. Exactly. Exactly. The

00:17:37.369 --> 00:17:41.990
rest of us know you just want to control thought,

00:17:42.250 --> 00:17:45.930
Chris. Thought police. You are the thought police.

00:17:46.009 --> 00:17:49.150
Yes, yes, yes. And you don't like people being

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able to access solitaire. Well, if you work in

00:17:55.750 --> 00:17:59.029
the actual corporate world and you have to deal

00:17:59.029 --> 00:18:04.349
with HIPAA or PCI or Sarbanes -Oxley and on and

00:18:04.349 --> 00:18:06.309
on and on. I'm sorry, that last one sounded like

00:18:06.309 --> 00:18:10.170
something that you made up. No. No, these are

00:18:10.170 --> 00:18:11.910
government regulations that certain businesses

00:18:11.910 --> 00:18:15.089
have to adhere to. I mean, I agree with the others

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right there next to OSHA. Yes. So if you're...

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Sarbanes -Oxley. Oxley. If you're... stuck having

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to maintain these sarabeth oakley sarabeth oakley

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there you go i'm pretty sure no you made that

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one up no no no no hang on that's gonna show

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up in the show notes now yes sarbanes oxley there

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we go what year 2002 so not too far back are

00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:47.019
you kidding me no 2002 chris does exactly 23

00:18:47.019 --> 00:18:50.980
years ago That's a while back. No, if this had

00:18:50.980 --> 00:18:56.259
been, like, from the 70s and 80s, okay. So, this

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has, Sarge Bangs actually gets into financial

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record keeping and reporting for corporations.

00:19:00.940 --> 00:19:04.500
Oh, okay. So, if you've got to get into any of

00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:06.480
this, unfortunately, you have to have control.

00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:09.900
You have to know who's accessing what, when they're

00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:12.599
accessing it. You're recording all of this. You

00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:14.359
can't do certain things with this device. This

00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:16.759
is not your personal device. This is your company's

00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:18.279
device that they're giving you to do your job.

00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:20.519
Now, I'm going to say that most people don't

00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:25.019
realize that they shouldn't be playing their

00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:31.509
music in a public setting. Correct. Like there's

00:19:31.509 --> 00:19:34.230
no, there's no, I don't know. Most people don't

00:19:34.230 --> 00:19:36.809
understand the laws around intellectual property

00:19:36.809 --> 00:19:41.190
of any kind. So like corporate understanding

00:19:41.190 --> 00:19:44.490
of intellectual property and what you actually

00:19:44.490 --> 00:19:47.329
own and what you don't own because you sold it

00:19:47.329 --> 00:19:51.410
to your, the company that you work for, for the

00:19:51.410 --> 00:19:54.849
salary that you make. Yeah. Well, a good example

00:19:54.849 --> 00:19:56.950
on the music actually comes with Jason's dad.

00:19:57.660 --> 00:20:00.440
Who was playing music in his restaurant. Yeah.

00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.519
And one of those wonderful people that goes door

00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:06.759
to door looking for violators walks in and heard

00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:10.440
the music and they were like, Hey, are you, are

00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:12.500
you licensed for this? Are you, how do you, how'd

00:20:12.500 --> 00:20:14.380
you get this? He goes, Oh, it's on a CD that

00:20:14.380 --> 00:20:17.019
we sell on the gift shop. And the guy had to

00:20:17.019 --> 00:20:20.740
leave because he knew I can't touch that. Whereas

00:20:20.740 --> 00:20:22.700
if it had just been them just randomly playing

00:20:22.700 --> 00:20:25.069
music. Yeah. You don't have a license? Off somebody's

00:20:25.069 --> 00:20:29.089
phone. Oh, hey. We have a problem now. But I'd

00:20:29.089 --> 00:20:32.430
pay Apple Music. That's for you personally. Ooh.

00:20:32.970 --> 00:20:34.549
What do you mean, Chris? That's not for your

00:20:34.549 --> 00:20:37.650
customers. No, I don't know. It does technically,

00:20:37.690 --> 00:20:41.829
I guess, under the whole Apple family piece that

00:20:41.829 --> 00:20:44.289
you could, in theory, extend it to members of

00:20:44.289 --> 00:20:46.829
your household. Yeah. No, we do that all the

00:20:46.829 --> 00:20:49.369
time. But beyond that, not so much. It's weird.

00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:52.740
If any of you are scratching your head like there

00:20:52.740 --> 00:20:55.920
there really is. There's a lot. And, you know,

00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:59.779
some maybe this is not as blind to most people

00:20:59.779 --> 00:21:02.319
as I think it is. But I really do. Like most

00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:04.720
of the people that I know are just flabbergasted

00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:07.119
when I'm like, no, we can't we can't play that

00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.799
music. And they're like, why not? Because we're

00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.339
not licensed to play that music. Correct. We're

00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:17.319
only licensed to play music during certain times.

00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.779
Correct. Because that's what our license says.

00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:27.680
Because I've read the EULA. The EULA. Have you

00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.759
read the EULA? I will give you a copy of it if

00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.759
you would like to read it. It was funny. I saw

00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.140
a thing the other day that was the why is Generation

00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:39.660
X so angry all the time? It's because we bought

00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:42.880
records and then we bought tapes and then we

00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.019
bought CDs and now we have to pay somebody money

00:21:47.019 --> 00:21:51.000
to Stream music. That's not ours. Correct. And

00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.960
it's like, no, that's, that is exactly right.

00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:57.119
You've gone through all of the like iterations

00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.859
here and bought all of this music multiple times.

00:22:00.019 --> 00:22:02.660
Same thing on, on movies. We bought the beta.

00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:06.359
We bought the VHS. We bought the DVD. And we

00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:09.359
didn't buy any beta. Uh, we had made in my house.

00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:12.720
No, we didn't do that. Beta was the superior

00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:14.940
product. Unfortunately didn't win. I'm just saying,

00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.980
I don't know. if it was just where we were, but

00:22:18.980 --> 00:22:23.940
we didn't have any beta that I'm aware of. Maybe

00:22:23.940 --> 00:22:26.799
they had it before I was born. No, we had a beta

00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.640
player, and we bought some movies in beta, and

00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:34.259
one of the things that always bit me is because

00:22:34.259 --> 00:22:38.180
beta was losing, I wanted to see, and this goes

00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:40.240
way back, this is before we ever came to Texas,

00:22:40.500 --> 00:22:42.900
so I'd have to look up the date of it, but they

00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:46.160
did the movie that brought together He -Man and

00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:49.509
She -Ra. Okay. So this is how far back we're

00:22:49.509 --> 00:22:52.509
going now in the 80s. I have the power. Exactly.

00:22:52.789 --> 00:22:56.390
I wanted to see this, but it didn't exist on

00:22:56.390 --> 00:22:58.549
beta. So every time we would go to the video

00:22:58.549 --> 00:23:01.450
store, I would always go look. Do they have the

00:23:01.450 --> 00:23:04.869
blue tag, which is for beta in front of it? They

00:23:04.869 --> 00:23:07.609
never had a blue tag. Didn't get to see it. You

00:23:07.609 --> 00:23:12.130
say video store. Yes. What was it? It was Evan's

00:23:12.130 --> 00:23:15.089
video. Evan's video. Way back a long time ago.

00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:20.660
when i lived in get this evansville what an original

00:23:20.660 --> 00:23:24.400
name for your company so what i remember was

00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:27.779
that we would go to blockbuster yeah and if we

00:23:27.779 --> 00:23:32.619
were not living high on the hog we would go to

00:23:32.619 --> 00:23:37.259
tom thumb and tom thumb had some videos that

00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:41.119
you could rent from them really yeah Back in

00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:43.279
the day. I don't remember ever seeing any in

00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:45.779
a grocery store. Yeah. I'm just saying like we

00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:48.480
had a, we had a pretty swanky Tom Thumb evidently.

00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.359
Sounds like it. Um, but yeah, I remember there

00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.420
being, and they were cheaper. That was, that

00:23:53.420 --> 00:23:55.599
was the point is that they, it was cheaper to

00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:57.079
rent from them. I think it may have been like

00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:00.200
a shorter rental set of five days. It may have

00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:02.019
been like two days or three days. It may have

00:24:02.019 --> 00:24:06.259
been one day. I don't remember. Um, but that

00:24:06.259 --> 00:24:08.220
was a thing. And they had, they didn't have the

00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:12.160
cool, like blockbuster black, Case with the insert

00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:16.460
that was white and blue. It was just clear. It

00:24:16.460 --> 00:24:19.160
looked like something you'd get at the library,

00:24:19.700 --> 00:24:24.460
the public library. Yeah. Wow. Just reminiscing

00:24:24.460 --> 00:24:27.900
about all of this stuff, because now what we

00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:31.740
have is all of this information, whether it be

00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:34.220
personal information that needs to be protected,

00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:36.140
whether it be corporate information that needs

00:24:36.140 --> 00:24:39.299
to be protected. there's a lot of things that

00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:42.460
are being handed off over and over and over again.

00:24:42.859 --> 00:24:48.779
Yep. I mean, we didn't even talk about PCI. No.

00:24:49.259 --> 00:24:51.880
So like there, there's all kinds of things like

00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.619
that, that just, it, it requires regulation.

00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.079
Yes. And, and that's why, what I mean with the

00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:01.380
security side of this is there's so much that

00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:05.819
is, it's regulated. It's, it's trying to be secure.

00:25:06.700 --> 00:25:08.720
Because in all of the things that we've talked

00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:13.000
about in terms of network and data transfers

00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:16.920
and how information is being moved from this

00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:21.160
point to that point, I don't think we've talked

00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:24.539
that much about encryption or any kind of security

00:25:24.539 --> 00:25:29.460
involved with these things other than firewall

00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:33.980
and different parts like that that would have

00:25:33.980 --> 00:25:42.750
security. um involved with them but mdm um in

00:25:42.750 --> 00:25:49.990
my understanding is the new carrot and stick

00:25:49.990 --> 00:25:53.869
sure for it well yeah and the beauty of mdm is

00:25:53.869 --> 00:25:56.130
that it's cross -platform now yes like we talked

00:25:56.130 --> 00:25:57.569
about active directory it's great if you had

00:25:57.569 --> 00:26:00.009
windows but as soon as you put a mac you put

00:26:00.009 --> 00:26:02.250
a linux device in there you put a unix device

00:26:02.250 --> 00:26:05.900
in there yeah game over Now you got to go for

00:26:05.900 --> 00:26:09.220
a whole nother system. So it is nice that I could

00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:13.380
get a, an MDM platform and it doesn't matter

00:26:13.380 --> 00:26:16.380
what devices I'm using. Um, you know, I can do

00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:20.039
windows, I can do Mac, I can do iPad OS, I can

00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:23.440
do iOS, I can do Android, I can bring in Chromebook.

00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:25.440
And that's, what's really like, I think blown

00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:28.799
some of our, uh, people's minds over the, over

00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:30.920
the years has been the, the understanding that

00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.859
like, I think when I was, when I was at Pine

00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:38.180
Cove, there was the transition from all windows

00:26:38.180 --> 00:26:41.640
into some Mac and then it was becoming more and

00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.160
more Mac and everything like that. So we were

00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:49.380
active directory. And again, a lot of what the

00:26:49.380 --> 00:26:53.480
like, Oh, well the login and we got to figure

00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:55.299
out how to do this and stuff like that. When

00:26:55.299 --> 00:26:58.400
it was mobile devices, that's when it became

00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.799
like mobile devices. Not BYOD, because we talked

00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:03.920
about that for a while, but bring your own device

00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:08.240
is an option. But when we're talking about, okay,

00:27:08.259 --> 00:27:12.900
we need to make sure that the devices that we

00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:20.619
own are secure. Yes. That's when MDM became a

00:27:20.619 --> 00:27:25.000
big deal. Yep. And we started back in that day

00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.720
with a product called AirWatch. Yep, I remember

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:33.740
that. Oh, that was, I feel like I just pulled

00:27:33.740 --> 00:27:36.720
out a tooth or something. That was a long time

00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.099
ago. Yeah. Out of the back of my brain. Because

00:27:40.099 --> 00:27:43.140
I don't think I could have remembered that if

00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:46.480
you asked me what the name of it was. I think

00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:47.859
somewhere along the way, they ultimately got

00:27:47.859 --> 00:27:50.900
consolidated into VMware. Yeah. VMware, I think,

00:27:50.900 --> 00:27:53.819
bought their stuff. But that's the one that we

00:27:53.819 --> 00:27:57.460
chose of the ones that were. available at the

00:27:57.460 --> 00:28:02.440
time and the idea was we need to be able to provision

00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:07.140
10 ipads at a time yep and we need to be able

00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:15.259
to help people who are not local anymore correct

00:28:15.259 --> 00:28:18.880
or in our office or town or anything like that

00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.359
yeah how do we do all this is at the beginning

00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.240
again i don't know how many of y 'all um Actually,

00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:33.480
we're using tablets when they first became prosumer

00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.400
things. iPad 2. That's kind of where it really

00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:43.819
exploded. I had an iPad 1 for work. You mean

00:28:43.819 --> 00:28:50.619
the iPod Megamax? Yeah, Megamax Pro iPod. And

00:28:50.619 --> 00:28:53.920
I remember thinking, like, I mean, this is not

00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.970
actually that useful. like it's super cool and

00:28:56.970 --> 00:28:59.589
i remember having all kinds of enders game like

00:28:59.589 --> 00:29:05.970
callbacks in my head of like oh it's just like

00:29:05.970 --> 00:29:12.670
the glass um pad or whatever that they uh had

00:29:12.670 --> 00:29:14.890
in that and i was i remember thinking like oh

00:29:14.890 --> 00:29:19.319
it's a shame they call it a pad but this is straight

00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.839
out of ender's game yeah well if you watch uh

00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.200
2001 a space odyssey you'll see them basically

00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.680
using what looks like the ipad as well that's

00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.279
funny yeah no i don't it's been a long time since

00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.880
i've watched the odyssey open the pod bay doors

00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:38.559
how i'm sorry dave i'm sorry to do that that

00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.539
red dot anyway um yeah but we've come a long

00:29:44.539 --> 00:29:47.220
way since then absolutely And the fact that,

00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:49.660
you know, most of the time people are doing,

00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:56.700
I don't, what would you say the percentage there

00:29:56.700 --> 00:30:02.259
is of like a, of an actual, like we, a laptop

00:30:02.259 --> 00:30:04.920
is a mobile device. I'm not saying that it's

00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.579
not, but when I say mobile device, I'm talking

00:30:06.579 --> 00:30:10.220
about either a phone or a tablet. How much of

00:30:10.220 --> 00:30:15.930
people's everyday um technology interface is

00:30:15.930 --> 00:30:19.430
with either a phone or a tablet uh that's going

00:30:19.430 --> 00:30:21.750
to be a high percentage of phone is probably

00:30:21.750 --> 00:30:27.170
at least 75 i would assume i would i would definitely

00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:29.970
think i don't think actually tablet is contributing

00:30:29.970 --> 00:30:35.069
much in that level no but when it's like you

00:30:35.069 --> 00:30:38.069
have to lump it in yep you know there for a while

00:30:38.069 --> 00:30:41.490
there wasn't a separate os for yeah tablets and

00:30:41.490 --> 00:30:43.869
even now it's like there's not really a separate

00:30:43.869 --> 00:30:46.490
os for tablets and even we're really trending

00:30:46.490 --> 00:30:50.869
away come at me apple from ipads try to try to

00:30:50.869 --> 00:30:53.609
tell me that i'm wrong you can call it ipad os

00:30:53.609 --> 00:30:56.750
all you want it is not that different it is way

00:30:56.750 --> 00:31:00.069
closer to a phone than it is a laptop and you

00:31:00.069 --> 00:31:04.430
know that you could do better yep i said it they

00:31:04.430 --> 00:31:08.420
just need to complete the merger of mac os And

00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:12.099
the mobile OS or pick one. Yeah. And to me, it's

00:31:12.099 --> 00:31:15.460
not even like, I don't, I don't care. I don't

00:31:15.460 --> 00:31:17.059
care if you want to make it harder for yourselves

00:31:17.059 --> 00:31:20.680
by having three different OSs that you're updating

00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.579
all the time, but iPad OS should be more like

00:31:24.579 --> 00:31:29.900
Mac OS than it is. There is no reason not to.

00:31:30.099 --> 00:31:33.500
And every reason that you've given for not doing

00:31:33.500 --> 00:31:37.319
it is not real. I mean, that's no, that's either

00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.519
lack of creativity or just lying to yourself.

00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:43.299
Yep. You want to, you want to put this big chip

00:31:43.299 --> 00:31:47.839
in these iPads, make them usable. Well, yeah,

00:31:47.859 --> 00:31:50.079
I mean, it's gotten, it's kind of gotten almost

00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:54.400
comical to their approach to hardware. I mean,

00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:56.980
it's okay. Which M series chip do you want? Yeah.

00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.579
And which form factor would you like me to stick

00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:02.880
it in? Right. Because I mean, if I get a M one

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:08.079
based iPad, and i have an m1 based macbook and

00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.599
i have an m1 base now i'm talking to older chip

00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:17.200
but um i get an m1 based mac mini you know it's

00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.660
the same processor now granted in a ipad it's

00:32:20.660 --> 00:32:22.480
not going to have as much memory available as

00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:26.700
they'll put in a laptop or the the uh the mac

00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.099
mini or even in the imac for that matter but

00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:31.319
it's still the same chip yeah and so it really

00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.119
comes down to do you want your processor to have

00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.519
a screen or not but that uh memory sharing like

00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.380
there's it's just not like it it's not fair yeah

00:32:42.380 --> 00:32:44.480
um and the fact that they're just i mean it's

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:49.099
just so limited um it just drives me crazy i

00:32:49.099 --> 00:32:52.200
i don't need it to i'm not saying that you shouldn't

00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.259
Tell people that this is what you need to be

00:32:54.259 --> 00:32:58.460
doing all of your video editing on or anything

00:32:58.460 --> 00:33:02.440
like that. I'm saying make this more usable.

00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.960
You're putting a stinking keyboard and a trackpad

00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:12.579
on it now. Pretty much. So I don't, I don't know.

00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.480
I don't know why they even maintain the A -series

00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.069
chip anymore. Oh, I mean, just... Just make it

00:33:19.069 --> 00:33:22.329
all... That's got to be because they have more

00:33:22.329 --> 00:33:24.769
of them than they... I guess. I mean, to me,

00:33:24.769 --> 00:33:28.150
at this point, where they're at, you, other than

00:33:28.150 --> 00:33:31.829
maybe struggle for battery life on the phone,

00:33:32.049 --> 00:33:35.990
you could put that M1 in the next iPhone. Yeah,

00:33:36.009 --> 00:33:44.039
Tim Cook is a supply chain guy. at his roots

00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.359
i feel like there's some efficiency that he's

00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.039
going for perhaps and some of it that i don't

00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:57.400
again as the consumer i don't appreciate it um

00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:01.960
but this is i mean you know this isn't just an

00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:07.039
apple no thing at all um the idea that it's cross

00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:12.739
-platform in terms of um any of these you know

00:34:12.739 --> 00:34:19.980
you got android and uh windows and um and you

00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:21.840
can bring linux yeah you can bring linux into

00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:26.199
mdm as well um all of that is is fantastic yes

00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.900
and now we're talking about um as i said the

00:34:29.900 --> 00:34:33.579
stick and the carrot is the um i mean the analogy

00:34:33.579 --> 00:34:38.860
speaks for itself i feel like but in this you

00:34:38.860 --> 00:34:42.719
know world you've got the carrot and basically

00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.460
the stick is, or I'll take it away from you.

00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.000
Yes. The carrot being, being accessed, all the

00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:54.500
things, your wifi credentials, your, uh, corporate

00:34:54.500 --> 00:35:00.500
data and, um, access to your files and, you know,

00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:03.059
your personal, your, what is it? The you folder.

00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:08.539
Um, U drive. Well, yeah, we used to use the U

00:35:08.539 --> 00:35:11.280
drive. Yeah. U drive is kind of a personal drive,

00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.659
but you've like on windows, although I think

00:35:13.659 --> 00:35:17.440
the concept is on just about gone now. Um, my

00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.679
folder, my phone now it's kind of become the

00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.000
documents folder, the documents folder. It's

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.380
kind of become an archaic way of storing now.

00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:26.139
Yeah. And everybody's like, well, I'll just put

00:35:26.139 --> 00:35:29.420
it in, in iCloud. I'm like, you know, that's

00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:32.940
your stuff. Yes. I'm talking about the, like

00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:35.469
the, Stuff that doesn't belong to you. Well,

00:35:35.469 --> 00:35:38.170
it's all belong. No, none of that belongs to

00:35:38.170 --> 00:35:41.329
you. Yep. That is a, that is something that we

00:35:41.329 --> 00:35:47.309
are in the middle of. I say fighting. Fighting's

00:35:47.309 --> 00:35:50.050
maybe not the best term. More about educate,

00:35:50.090 --> 00:35:53.570
still educating staff on. Yeah. No, this is Pine

00:35:53.570 --> 00:35:56.769
Cove's data. Yeah. This is Pine Cove's resource.

00:35:57.090 --> 00:35:59.929
Yeah. You can't have this in a personal account.

00:36:00.230 --> 00:36:03.559
Yeah. Because I can't tell you how many. People

00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:07.860
who have come and gone, and I guarantee at a

00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:10.679
minimum they have Pine Cove data, whether it's

00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:14.159
in their Dropbox, their Evernote, whatever it

00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:18.320
may be. And there's probably a reasonable percentage

00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:22.639
of it is truly sensitive data that should not

00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.800
be out there. No. But we have no way of knowing.

00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.400
No. Because back then we didn't have as many

00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.639
of the tools to try to lock it down. To prevent

00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:35.920
it. We still technically don't have all the tools

00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.480
for that. We're getting better. We're able to

00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.019
control it more. But it's really become about

00:36:42.019 --> 00:36:45.119
education, education, education. You can't do

00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.820
this. This is not yours. You can't think of this

00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:52.480
as me and mine. You have to think about this

00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.400
as the organization as a whole. And it'll stay

00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.940
an ongoing battle. Well, I think, I think because

00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:04.039
of how personal technology has become, it is

00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.599
not intuitive anymore to this generation that's

00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:12.760
grown up with phones. I blame Apple. I don't

00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.500
think that you're wrong. No. And I, and let me

00:37:15.500 --> 00:37:16.920
be clear for those of you out there listening.

00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:19.800
In radio land. Those of you that haven't heard

00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.820
this spiel, I'll let Chris take it for the next

00:37:21.820 --> 00:37:24.699
15 minutes. No, no, no. Those of you that don't

00:37:24.699 --> 00:37:28.119
know me, Apple makes a good product. I'm not

00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:29.900
going to deny that at all. They make a solid

00:37:29.900 --> 00:37:32.559
product. But it is made for the individual. It's

00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.000
made for the consumer. The end user. The end

00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.420
user. It's not made for corporations and businesses.

00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.119
And they're very specific about that. Yes, they

00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.559
are. You have to listen to them now because now

00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.019
they just kind of assume. That theirs is the

00:37:47.019 --> 00:37:49.559
right way and that, you know, everybody agrees

00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.480
with them. And I think it's not that everybody

00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.400
agrees with them. It's that everybody, nobody

00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.619
makes that distinction anymore. Correct. But

00:37:57.619 --> 00:37:59.860
you got to understand whenever they made this

00:37:59.860 --> 00:38:04.800
distinction originally, it was very different.

00:38:04.980 --> 00:38:09.219
Yes. Yes. So in the IT world, we have to jump

00:38:09.219 --> 00:38:12.119
through a bunch of extra hoops to make Apple

00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.260
products work in business, to work in the corporation.

00:38:16.319 --> 00:38:19.079
To try to convince the product that the person

00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.880
who's using it doesn't own it. Correct. It's

00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.719
very much the old joke of I'm trying to get the

00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.139
Apple device to do what I want to do while it

00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:31.059
does what it wants to do. Yeah, what it thinks

00:38:31.059 --> 00:38:34.380
that you should want it to do. Yes. It's like,

00:38:34.420 --> 00:38:36.139
I'm not telling you to do this over here, but

00:38:36.139 --> 00:38:37.739
if you would like to do this and I'll tell you

00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:41.699
I don't want it, maybe you'll do it. Because

00:38:41.699 --> 00:38:43.619
if I expressly tell you what I want, I know you're

00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:48.570
not going to do it. No, that sounds right. But

00:38:48.570 --> 00:38:51.230
that like the difference between the, um, end

00:38:51.230 --> 00:38:58.670
user being, um, being, uh, the buck stopping

00:38:58.670 --> 00:39:02.110
there. Yes. Um, I mean, there's, there's an element

00:39:02.110 --> 00:39:05.090
of it where I almost like, I, I almost feel like

00:39:05.090 --> 00:39:09.269
they're also now just being just straight up

00:39:09.269 --> 00:39:12.030
dishonest about things in that sense because

00:39:12.030 --> 00:39:16.679
they know people don't know. No. And they know

00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.820
people aren't reading and they just, no one reads

00:39:21.820 --> 00:39:25.219
the documentation. Oh my gosh. Like the, the

00:39:25.219 --> 00:39:28.159
idea that they really did just do a complete

00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.800
bait and switch with like, Oh no, no. Like we'll

00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.000
make it easier for you. All of your music will

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.760
be available and all of the music you want will

00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.159
be available and it'll all just be. And all of

00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.219
a sudden I'm like, wait a minute. That says that

00:39:42.219 --> 00:39:46.130
I don't own it anymore. Like they're going to

00:39:46.130 --> 00:39:49.010
use the other, like, I don't know. You still

00:39:49.010 --> 00:39:51.889
aren't like, no, I don't know where to go. You,

00:39:51.969 --> 00:39:54.349
you, you essentially bought a license to that

00:39:54.349 --> 00:39:57.269
music or to that movie for as long as you pay

00:39:57.269 --> 00:39:59.650
for it. Well, and until they decide to pull it

00:39:59.650 --> 00:40:01.789
too. And until they decide to pull it. Yeah.

00:40:02.409 --> 00:40:04.510
Yeah. Cause that was the thing is I think originally

00:40:04.510 --> 00:40:09.250
whenever I, you know, signed up for, um, I don't

00:40:09.250 --> 00:40:11.309
think it was even Apple music at the point at

00:40:11.309 --> 00:40:13.349
that point. Was it Apple Music? What did they

00:40:13.349 --> 00:40:15.809
call it at the very beginning? It was all iTunes.

00:40:15.849 --> 00:40:20.369
Match. Oh, iTunes Match. iTunes Match. Yes. When

00:40:20.369 --> 00:40:24.050
they did that originally, it was, oh, well, all

00:40:24.050 --> 00:40:27.329
of the music that you own will be available everywhere,

00:40:27.510 --> 00:40:30.130
and then all of the music, and we will give you

00:40:30.130 --> 00:40:32.949
a better copy of it. We'll allow you to use a

00:40:32.949 --> 00:40:34.929
better copy of it than the one that you actually

00:40:34.929 --> 00:40:38.449
own because we have that in our servers. And

00:40:38.449 --> 00:40:41.670
then the copies of music that you have that we

00:40:41.670 --> 00:40:44.829
don't have, that'll be available to across all

00:40:44.829 --> 00:40:47.309
of your devices and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

00:40:47.309 --> 00:40:50.769
blah. And then all of a sudden it was like, wait,

00:40:50.989 --> 00:40:56.769
these are all protected. Like file types. Yep.

00:40:57.090 --> 00:41:04.309
I, I need my music. Yep. What happened? Fished

00:41:04.309 --> 00:41:09.440
in. painful so and of course they didn't realize

00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.159
that there were people like me who were out there

00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.280
ripping it at such ridiculously high quality

00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.159
yeah and then i get their version of it and i'm

00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.219
like no this isn't good where's the fidelity

00:41:19.219 --> 00:41:26.219
what happened yeah yeah so thank you apple fighting

00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:30.780
some hardware over here um but anyway all of

00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:37.320
that to say i think because of their Like you

00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.139
said, they make a solid product, and because

00:41:39.139 --> 00:41:42.739
of the widespread adoption of it, there's a lot

00:41:42.739 --> 00:41:52.139
of things that new technology users don't realize

00:41:52.139 --> 00:42:02.179
has been... This road is paved for a reason.

00:42:02.659 --> 00:42:07.119
You didn't just happen upon a... paved road like

00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.559
all of this infrastructure and all of this you

00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:16.360
know um diligence towards certain things are

00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:19.719
like they're laid by actual people and you've

00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:21.900
got it professionals now that are saying like

00:42:21.900 --> 00:42:23.860
oh you can't do that and they're like yes i can

00:42:23.860 --> 00:42:29.000
and you're like i understand that you can we

00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.719
can't yeah like the the company that you work

00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.480
for is not allowed to do that You want to buy

00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.239
your own computer. You can do that. Yep. And

00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.300
do it however you want. Yep. We're not allowed

00:42:41.300 --> 00:42:43.539
to do it the way that you're proposing. And I

00:42:43.539 --> 00:42:47.760
got into that so many times at camp and less

00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:50.239
now at the church because I just have less people

00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:54.519
that I have to like persuade of that. Sure. Like

00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:58.219
the like, Oh no, you're not, you can't just plug

00:42:58.219 --> 00:43:02.699
your phone in and play me, but you don't have

00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:04.099
the music that I want. I was like, I don't care.

00:43:04.759 --> 00:43:07.619
If it's not there, you don't need to play it.

00:43:07.659 --> 00:43:11.420
Please don't do that. That's not how this works.

00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:18.099
Yep. But again, I didn't read the EULA. True.

00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:22.420
Anyway, so mobile device management. What else

00:43:22.420 --> 00:43:24.579
do we get with mobile device management? I think

00:43:24.579 --> 00:43:27.320
we've only mentioned a few things. Well, at the

00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:32.059
core and essence of it, compared to when we didn't

00:43:32.059 --> 00:43:36.670
have it, is i configure it once and then i just

00:43:36.670 --> 00:43:39.949
push it to the device and i still very much remember

00:43:39.949 --> 00:43:43.190
the days of no mdm all right i'm configure this

00:43:43.190 --> 00:43:46.829
device here's your device oh this device is unconfigured

00:43:46.829 --> 00:43:48.929
let me configure this device okay here's your

00:43:48.929 --> 00:43:51.570
device and you literally had to repeat that process

00:43:51.570 --> 00:43:54.650
over and over and over and over depending upon

00:43:54.650 --> 00:43:58.190
how many devices so just the fact that i create

00:43:58.190 --> 00:44:01.420
the policy once i test it it's great I can apply

00:44:01.420 --> 00:44:03.599
it to every device that we own that needs it,

00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:07.980
and it's done. It's mischief managed. It's all

00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:13.079
over. So, I mean, you can go as simple as you

00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.500
want as, yes, it's managed, and I'll push you

00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:18.679
some of the applications if you need them. But

00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:20.659
for the most part, the device is open. You can

00:44:20.659 --> 00:44:23.420
kind of do what you want all the way to the extreme

00:44:23.420 --> 00:44:26.579
of, no, you're locked down. You're either in

00:44:26.579 --> 00:44:29.460
a single app kiosk, and that's all you get. Because

00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:32.059
that's all it's needed for. Or you get into the

00:44:32.059 --> 00:44:34.920
concepts of you're locked down into a multi -app

00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.059
kiosk, but you only are going to have maybe the

00:44:38.059 --> 00:44:39.820
four or five applications that I put on that

00:44:39.820 --> 00:44:42.599
screen. That's it. You can't change the order.

00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.119
You can't remove. It is purpose -built for what

00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.239
you need. And then there's obviously a whole

00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:52.260
bunch of variations there in between. You can

00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:59.090
get into, you can control updates. that's kind

00:44:59.090 --> 00:45:03.650
of nice um so i i would say controlling updates

00:45:03.650 --> 00:45:08.849
is kind of nice having an update server that

00:45:08.849 --> 00:45:13.710
everything is pulling from is super nice and

00:45:13.710 --> 00:45:16.409
it's probably only nice for like it guys well

00:45:16.409 --> 00:45:20.139
we are at the idea that it's like Oh no. Like

00:45:20.139 --> 00:45:23.019
when they're on property, it, we don't pull it

00:45:23.019 --> 00:45:25.699
from the internet. We have this. We're actually

00:45:25.699 --> 00:45:27.760
having an open debate right now at work within

00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:33.179
our department on how useful is the caching server.

00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:38.619
I mean, it depends on your data flow. Because

00:45:38.619 --> 00:45:42.940
for us, we kind of perceive there are maybe two

00:45:42.940 --> 00:45:45.860
times a year that it makes sense. And the rest

00:45:45.860 --> 00:45:49.079
of the time it's kind of meh. So when a brand

00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.199
new operating system comes out. Well, I would

00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.820
say when you release a brand new operating system

00:45:54.820 --> 00:45:57.739
to be downloaded by everyone, whether that's

00:45:57.739 --> 00:46:02.480
in policy, your management, or when it actually

00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.980
comes out. Yeah. Because then there's just a

00:46:04.980 --> 00:46:08.219
ton of downloading it. Correct. So for us, it's

00:46:08.219 --> 00:46:11.639
that scenario. And this is unique to us. This

00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:16.480
isn't necessarily everybody. And it is once in

00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:20.059
the spring, per physical locations like we were

00:46:20.059 --> 00:46:23.599
just in central texas yeah and we updated every

00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:28.699
single mac on property yeah it was nice to have

00:46:28.699 --> 00:46:34.699
but out of those two scenarios nothing's happening

00:46:34.699 --> 00:46:37.539
it's not it's not serving anything you've got

00:46:37.539 --> 00:46:40.320
fiber running to all of your locations we do

00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:44.420
yeah we don't we don't have we don't have fiber

00:46:44.420 --> 00:46:48.289
in here so the fact that it you know on um But

00:46:48.289 --> 00:46:51.289
you're gig everywhere, with the exception of

00:46:51.289 --> 00:46:53.670
Wi -Fi. No, that's what I'm saying, is internally

00:46:53.670 --> 00:46:59.289
we're gig everywhere, and we're fighting a small

00:46:59.289 --> 00:47:03.909
hose most of the time on the other side. Your

00:47:03.909 --> 00:47:05.630
download is actually bigger than our download.

00:47:05.989 --> 00:47:09.289
Really? Yeah, our maximum download right now

00:47:09.289 --> 00:47:12.789
is 250. It doesn't act like it on a regular basis.

00:47:12.789 --> 00:47:14.769
Well, but you're also talking about dedicated

00:47:14.769 --> 00:47:18.280
fiber internet versus... shared medium that is

00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:24.840
a cable modem yeah and it's just unreliable the

00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:32.159
what do you call it oh my gosh the the not the

00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.960
speed but the no yeah we can just say optimum

00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.480
optimum optimum is not reliable um it's not the

00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.820
speed though it's the um throughput throughput

00:47:40.820 --> 00:47:46.710
is not Well, I will be able to tell you very

00:47:46.710 --> 00:47:50.110
soon how good their fiber product is. It just

00:47:50.110 --> 00:47:53.289
went live for us today at the Bluffs. So it's

00:47:53.289 --> 00:47:54.949
going to be a dedicated connection. How does

00:47:54.949 --> 00:47:57.570
the Bluffs have fiber and we're not able to get

00:47:57.570 --> 00:48:01.630
fiber? You got to talk to their engineers. So

00:48:01.630 --> 00:48:05.349
literally just got installed today and it'll

00:48:05.349 --> 00:48:09.489
be functional this summer for Ranch Timbers Bluff

00:48:09.489 --> 00:48:12.269
Shores in the Med Shed so they don't have to

00:48:12.269 --> 00:48:14.960
ride the bridge. Why don't y 'all just come over

00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.719
here and office out of here for a little bit,

00:48:17.780 --> 00:48:23.500
and then I bet they'll make it happen. We've

00:48:23.500 --> 00:48:27.719
just been fortunate. Yeah, we'll call it fortunate.

00:48:27.739 --> 00:48:29.980
You've been working there for a long time. Yes,

00:48:29.980 --> 00:48:32.800
and we've also been knocking on that door for

00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.800
I don't know how long. I'm sure eventually we

00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.039
became the squeaky wheel so we got the grease

00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:41.960
in order to get them to finally come do it so

00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:45.170
we would be quiet. Cause there, there definitely

00:48:45.170 --> 00:48:47.829
is some benefit to, you keep knocking on that

00:48:47.829 --> 00:48:49.590
door and you keep knocking on that door. And

00:48:49.590 --> 00:48:52.050
finally they go, if you'll just give these guys

00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:53.869
what they want, they will shut up and leave us

00:48:53.869 --> 00:48:55.949
alone. They'll stop talking to us. Yeah. And

00:48:55.949 --> 00:48:58.429
we'll just get their money. We like their money.

00:48:58.510 --> 00:49:00.929
We don't like their voices. Yes. Everyone wants

00:49:00.929 --> 00:49:05.769
our money. I mean, that's pretty normal. Sorry.

00:49:05.969 --> 00:49:14.210
I was burning up. That's okay. Anyway. That's

00:49:14.210 --> 00:49:17.909
what I think the internal update server is good

00:49:17.909 --> 00:49:20.769
for. I just got a lot of people that all of a

00:49:20.769 --> 00:49:25.250
sudden are like hammering the network. And I'm

00:49:25.250 --> 00:49:27.909
going, I would really like for that to just be

00:49:27.909 --> 00:49:31.650
my internal network because I have way more faith

00:49:31.650 --> 00:49:38.739
in it than what goes out of here. I guess kind

00:49:38.739 --> 00:49:40.820
of what we've been looking at and even when we

00:49:40.820 --> 00:49:42.800
were running an internal windows update server

00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:48.380
and looking at what was happening, I mean, yeah,

00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:50.300
you're, you're getting a lot of updates internally

00:49:50.300 --> 00:49:54.019
and you are approving it and it's going out,

00:49:54.099 --> 00:50:00.480
but it was, it almost became at times it felt

00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.539
like it became hard to quantify the benefit when

00:50:04.539 --> 00:50:08.840
our internet connections were smaller. It was

00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:12.739
easy to say, yes, this is a win. Yes, we have

00:50:12.739 --> 00:50:16.480
to have this. But as we, over time, have been

00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:19.679
able to increase our bandwidth, and bandwidth

00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:25.480
has gotten so cheap, it's become harder to, at

00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.599
times, to feel like we can justify the update

00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:31.099
server. So a great example, when we went to JumpCloud,

00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:36.000
we no longer have Windows update servers. And

00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.679
so everything is coming direct to those PCs,

00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.239
but we haven't felt a hit on our internet connection

00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:47.980
for those updates. It's good to know. So that's

00:50:47.980 --> 00:50:49.900
why we're having this internal discussion with

00:50:49.900 --> 00:50:53.559
Mac and going, yes, when we say, hey, you can

00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.750
now download, it's a claw, as we called it. We

00:50:57.750 --> 00:51:01.349
like to have fun names. Oh, sure, yeah. Not Sequoia.

00:51:01.349 --> 00:51:04.110
Yes, you can have Sequoia now. So there was a

00:51:04.110 --> 00:51:07.550
benefit, obviously, initially, because everybody's

00:51:07.550 --> 00:51:08.849
like, oh, great, download, download, download,

00:51:08.849 --> 00:51:11.909
download. It's like, whoa, hold up. And then

00:51:11.909 --> 00:51:14.269
when we go and we have to run a bunch of updates

00:51:14.269 --> 00:51:18.630
right before summer, it's huge. So what we actually

00:51:18.630 --> 00:51:22.230
are looking at is instead of having a dedicated

00:51:22.230 --> 00:51:27.750
caching server, we might... periodically grab

00:51:27.750 --> 00:51:30.550
a device and go hey you're a caching server right

00:51:30.550 --> 00:51:33.429
now you're going to handle this load for us and

00:51:33.429 --> 00:51:35.010
then when we're done we're going to turn you

00:51:35.010 --> 00:51:38.070
off that's a good idea because the need for you

00:51:38.070 --> 00:51:40.869
is gone is very limited like in time correct

00:51:40.869 --> 00:51:42.949
yeah so like when we were doing updates down

00:51:42.949 --> 00:51:45.969
there hey iMac you're not doing anything right

00:51:45.969 --> 00:51:47.869
now but you're going to stay on and you're going

00:51:47.869 --> 00:51:50.469
to download this update anyways you are now the

00:51:50.469 --> 00:51:53.489
caching server for this camp But even the ability

00:51:53.489 --> 00:51:57.590
to do that, what you just said is, is part of

00:51:57.590 --> 00:52:00.690
what we're talking about here is tied to the

00:52:00.690 --> 00:52:04.869
idea that this is not just a random person's

00:52:04.869 --> 00:52:10.610
device that you're connecting to. It is a device

00:52:10.610 --> 00:52:13.610
that's owned and managed by fine cove. Correct.

00:52:13.750 --> 00:52:16.090
So the one thing that we definitely don't do

00:52:16.090 --> 00:52:19.730
is we don't do caching of iCloud. No, because

00:52:19.730 --> 00:52:23.949
we do not. want anybody's personal data no again

00:52:23.949 --> 00:52:25.710
this is this is kind of the flip side of this

00:52:25.710 --> 00:52:27.489
we're like yeah hey no no that's corporate data

00:52:27.489 --> 00:52:29.789
you can't have that no and this is the we're

00:52:29.789 --> 00:52:31.889
going this is personal data we're not going to

00:52:31.889 --> 00:52:35.590
touch that no so we don't cache anything related

00:52:35.590 --> 00:52:38.210
to iCloud just so we know that we're not caching

00:52:38.210 --> 00:52:41.190
somebody's personal data man and that that's

00:52:41.190 --> 00:52:43.110
the other part of this that's been such a nightmare

00:52:43.110 --> 00:52:47.909
in terms of personal versus uh corporate is the

00:52:52.660 --> 00:52:58.679
The cloud availability to the end user and the

00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:06.099
normalcy of that is like it. It's great. You

00:53:06.099 --> 00:53:09.000
know, there's a there's an element of you. You

00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.139
love it when people are competent and that they

00:53:12.139 --> 00:53:14.719
understand what you mean when you say the cloud

00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:20.239
or, you know. I don't know, whatever. But there's

00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.039
the other side of it that's like, you're dangerous

00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.980
with that knowledge. You don't actually know

00:53:25.980 --> 00:53:29.320
what you're doing. The idea that somebody's like,

00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.179
well, I just have that saved over here. And I

00:53:31.179 --> 00:53:34.519
was like, that's your personal drive. And they

00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:41.420
were like, that's iCloud. Your Apple ID is signed

00:53:41.420 --> 00:53:44.019
into that, not the church's. And they were like,

00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:46.440
well, I don't have a church Apple ID. I was like,

00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.719
yeah. That's right, because the church does not

00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:54.099
do that. Like, we're not going to provide. Do

00:53:54.099 --> 00:53:58.500
you remember all of the Apple IDs? We still have

00:53:58.500 --> 00:54:00.940
the spreadsheet. Okay, great. I was like, I don't

00:54:00.940 --> 00:54:03.559
know if that spreadsheet is still. No, hundreds.

00:54:03.739 --> 00:54:06.059
No, actually, every now and then we have a need

00:54:06.059 --> 00:54:08.340
to pull one of those out. Yeah. Because those

00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:11.659
don't have two -factor turned on. Nice. And so

00:54:11.659 --> 00:54:14.920
you can, you can leverage one real quick. I don't

00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.119
want this to have two factors. Now, eventually

00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:18.760
they're going to grandfather all that, or they're

00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:20.360
going to remove that grandfather and you're going

00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.480
to be stuck. But for now we pull one of those

00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.960
out every now and then. Man. Yeah. The number

00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:31.239
of Apple IDs that I created, I was like, there's,

00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.500
it's a ton. And I, like you had to go in individually.

00:54:36.570 --> 00:54:38.090
And they would only let you, I mean, there for

00:54:38.090 --> 00:54:39.590
a while, it was like they would only let you

00:54:39.590 --> 00:54:42.429
do a certain number a day. Well, they still have

00:54:42.429 --> 00:54:43.849
some of those restrictions. Okay, I was like,

00:54:43.869 --> 00:54:45.849
I don't know if that's still a thing, but I remember

00:54:45.849 --> 00:54:49.010
being like, are you kidding me? I'm having to

00:54:49.010 --> 00:54:51.989
do this for 20 iPads. Even if you just do something.

00:54:51.989 --> 00:54:53.989
I can only do five at a time. If you do something

00:54:53.989 --> 00:54:57.730
as simple as just looking up the warranty state

00:54:57.730 --> 00:55:01.829
of your device, once you do number four, you're

00:55:01.829 --> 00:55:04.260
stopped for a while. And it's like, all I'm doing

00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:06.099
is looking at warranty information. What are

00:55:06.099 --> 00:55:08.820
you doing? Nobody owns that many iPads. I remember

00:55:08.820 --> 00:55:13.820
thinking that with the device limits. Yeah. And

00:55:13.820 --> 00:55:16.539
I remember thinking, oh, they're thinking like

00:55:16.539 --> 00:55:20.840
a normal guy. Yeah. This is the end user. No

00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:23.400
normal end user is going to have this many iPads.

00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:24.940
Nobody's that rich. It comes back to they're

00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:26.440
not thinking about business. They're designed

00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.800
around the individual. I'm like, listen, actually,

00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:34.420
I am very wealthy. And I like to have one in

00:55:34.420 --> 00:55:41.159
every toilet of my 23 toilet abode. I would like

00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.659
for all of them to be synced to the same thing.

00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.880
Can you do that for me, Apple? You can have five

00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:52.840
computers and, what was it? It used to be five

00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.519
computers max in ten devices? Yeah, that's what

00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.900
it was. five computers 10 devices once you hit

00:55:59.900 --> 00:56:02.639
number six or number 11 sorry and it's still

00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.760
like it is still five computers oh yeah i remember

00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:09.199
being like actually i am getting close to that

00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:12.179
with with when you bring your kids into the equation

00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:13.980
you bring your kids into the equation you have

00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:17.360
a few like work computers that you work from

00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:20.219
i've got like three different computers at work

00:56:20.219 --> 00:56:22.719
that i'd have to jump between four different

00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:28.010
reasons and it's like i can't not have The stuff

00:56:28.010 --> 00:56:32.130
that I need. Correct. I just got to, you know,

00:56:32.130 --> 00:56:38.010
leverage the old airdrop. There you go. That's

00:56:38.010 --> 00:56:40.650
the fancy version of the poor man's sneaker net.

00:56:41.309 --> 00:56:44.630
Yes. Yes. There's an old reference for y 'all.

00:56:45.849 --> 00:56:49.449
So the emerging market for me for mobile device

00:56:49.449 --> 00:56:54.670
management is SAS management. So that agent on

00:56:54.670 --> 00:56:57.489
that device is monitoring all these SaaS services

00:56:57.489 --> 00:57:00.829
that you're using, and it's reporting back. And

00:57:00.829 --> 00:57:04.489
you can say, yes, I approve that. No, you can't

00:57:04.489 --> 00:57:08.590
do that. That, to me, you don't have to necessarily

00:57:08.590 --> 00:57:11.530
just get that from MDM, but it makes the most

00:57:11.530 --> 00:57:13.489
sense that it would come from your MDM provider

00:57:13.489 --> 00:57:16.489
that they're going to give you that ability to

00:57:16.489 --> 00:57:20.409
control that. Well, I mean, I like that we talk

00:57:20.409 --> 00:57:23.579
about ubiquity a lot. uh ubiquity is leveraging

00:57:23.579 --> 00:57:27.360
it also for just physical location stuff that

00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:30.480
they're like they're like push for hey use us

00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:34.719
as an mdm is also tied to you can use your device

00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.099
to get into your building and you can use your

00:57:37.099 --> 00:57:39.739
device to make your phone calls and you can use

00:57:39.739 --> 00:57:44.300
your device to charge your tesla i mean i still

00:57:44.300 --> 00:57:46.639
don't get that it's fine you don't have to there

00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:49.820
we don't live where they live um but that like

00:57:51.019 --> 00:57:55.059
The idea being like, no, we can make the carrot

00:57:55.059 --> 00:57:59.260
look really good. Yep. You don't like carrying

00:57:59.260 --> 00:58:02.800
a keychain, like a fob? Well, just put it on

00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:06.480
your phone. Yep. You have to enroll in MDM. Digital

00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:10.440
fob. Digital fob. Yep. I'll let you onto the

00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:13.460
elevator or whatever they're new. Digital fob.

00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:21.460
You can see who's at the front door. I need access

00:58:21.460 --> 00:58:25.360
to your device. Yes. I'm here to talk to you

00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:29.039
about your car's warranty. Yes. Your car has

00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:30.960
been talking to our system lately, and it sounds

00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:33.179
like you're mistreating your vehicle. We need

00:58:33.179 --> 00:58:34.800
to talk. We need to talk about your extended

00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:42.559
warranty. I've kind of been surprised that Unify

00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:46.519
hasn't announced the end of the Tesla Charger.

00:58:47.369 --> 00:58:49.489
because of all the shenanigans i'm not going

00:58:49.489 --> 00:58:53.289
to try to go too far into that realm but tesla

00:58:53.289 --> 00:58:57.630
is not the golden company anymore oh no no no

00:58:57.630 --> 00:59:00.369
no no it's for these people i've kind of been

00:59:00.369 --> 00:59:02.730
watching and waiting and going is that device

00:59:02.730 --> 00:59:06.050
about to become end of life it would be very

00:59:06.050 --> 00:59:12.230
interesting to me if uh never mind like it's

00:59:12.230 --> 00:59:15.289
just it's one of those things that i don't i

00:59:15.289 --> 00:59:19.710
don't i I mean, most of the people that were

00:59:19.710 --> 00:59:22.750
pushing for everybody driving electric vehicles

00:59:22.750 --> 00:59:24.889
didn't understand a lot of the consequences to

00:59:24.889 --> 00:59:27.030
what they were talking about anyway. Yeah. But

00:59:27.030 --> 00:59:29.630
it's now to the point where, you know, because

00:59:29.630 --> 00:59:32.409
they bought in so hard to Tesla before. It's

00:59:32.409 --> 00:59:34.429
one of those like, do you realize what you're

00:59:34.429 --> 00:59:40.170
trying to shut down now? Yep. Because I'm not,

00:59:40.210 --> 00:59:43.289
I don't care. It's a good time to buy a used

00:59:43.289 --> 00:59:46.179
Tesla. man, people are trying to get rid of them

00:59:46.179 --> 00:59:49.079
like crazy all over the place. Yeah. And in Tyler,

00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.400
it's not like we're a big, you know, Evie market

00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:54.440
anyway. And there were a ton of those trucks

00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:59.219
sitting around in the lot. Yes. My son, like

00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:04.119
he, I mean, my, my, my sons were both like incredibly

01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.760
infatuated with the Tesla because, you know,

01:00:06.780 --> 01:00:08.639
they go to school and people talk about things

01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.820
like this. Dad, did you know it's, it's like

01:00:10.820 --> 01:00:13.380
one of the safest vehicles has ever, you know,

01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:15.599
been made or something like that i was like i

01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.239
guess that depends on what you mean by that let's

01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:22.719
talk about lithium batteries yeah i don't um

01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.780
ticking time bomb under your hind i'm not saying

01:00:25.780 --> 01:00:30.400
a combustion engine has never exploded by any

01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:33.860
stretch of the imagination but uh i i don't i

01:00:33.860 --> 01:00:36.699
don't know i know that they made some hummers

01:00:36.699 --> 01:00:40.289
there for a little while that were you know Pretty

01:00:40.289 --> 01:00:44.590
unflippable unless you fired an IED at it. True.

01:00:45.489 --> 01:00:49.590
They also had body armor on them. My son was

01:00:49.590 --> 01:00:53.250
like, what? I was like, yeah. Military vehicle.

01:00:53.550 --> 01:00:56.670
It's a military vehicle that then was able to

01:00:56.670 --> 01:01:00.889
be purchased by normal consumers. Somebody got

01:01:00.889 --> 01:01:02.909
smart and said, hey, we're missing the market

01:01:02.909 --> 01:01:06.690
here. We could sell these for a lot of money.

01:01:07.409 --> 01:01:10.820
Anyway. people will overpay for this bad boy

01:01:10.820 --> 01:01:15.480
and Harvey. Yes. But, and then all of a sudden

01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.519
I said, I said that one, I think one line to

01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:20.679
him. And then like, he was like, Tesla never

01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:24.840
existed. They like, they like to point them out.

01:01:24.900 --> 01:01:30.699
I love the idea. I love the concept. If you just

01:01:30.699 --> 01:01:33.739
need it to get you to and from work, it's a great

01:01:33.739 --> 01:01:37.079
car. But as soon as you want to take a road trip,

01:01:37.579 --> 01:01:41.159
Forget it. The battery life is just not there.

01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:45.840
Which is fine. Again, we don't need everything

01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:50.019
to be everything for everything. And if what

01:01:50.019 --> 01:01:52.599
you're worried about people being able to use

01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:57.039
is that type of vehicle, but the idea that everybody

01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:59.679
has to own two vehicles because they may need

01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:06.039
to go further than Dallas is a little bit ridiculous.

01:02:06.059 --> 01:02:08.840
Yeah, it is. It is. And it's crazy that we made

01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:11.039
it from mobile device management. We also live

01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:16.139
in Texas. To Tesla. How did we do that? Via Unified.

01:02:16.340 --> 01:02:19.980
Via Unified. So there is a real connection here,

01:02:20.019 --> 01:02:21.719
folks. We're not just going off in the weeds.

01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:25.340
I mean, your Tesla did have the digital or the

01:02:25.340 --> 01:02:32.760
key fob for the car. It was like a, you know,

01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:40.619
not a. What do they call the transmitters in

01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:44.800
the fobs for most of the cars that are out there?

01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:51.980
Anyway, they had the actual NFC chip that was

01:02:51.980 --> 01:02:56.139
communicating with the car and saying, this is

01:02:56.139 --> 01:02:58.280
me. I guess I just always just thought of it

01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:07.860
as just a fob or a key fob. Anyway. Yeah. Somehow,

01:03:07.980 --> 01:03:10.239
we've talked about a lot of different things.

01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:12.920
We have. And we didn't even really talk a lot

01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:16.659
about too many specific mobile device companies

01:03:16.659 --> 01:03:22.980
that are out there. That's true. I mean, AirWatch,

01:03:23.219 --> 01:03:25.699
which is not out there anymore, but was bought

01:03:25.699 --> 01:03:28.219
by... We didn't even talk about Jamf. We didn't

01:03:28.219 --> 01:03:32.550
talk about Jamf. We talked about Jump. JumpCloud.

01:03:32.670 --> 01:03:35.989
JumpCloud. And Unify. So yeah, if you live in

01:03:35.989 --> 01:03:40.030
Apple world, you really need to be looking in

01:03:40.030 --> 01:03:47.289
Jamf. Which is, yeah. Yeah. Now, changes a little

01:03:47.289 --> 01:03:52.550
bit if you're trying to consolidate your authentication.

01:03:53.730 --> 01:03:55.909
That's where something like a JumpCloud becomes

01:03:55.909 --> 01:04:00.769
incredible because they are your replacement

01:04:00.769 --> 01:04:04.960
for, Active Directory or whatever local authentication,

01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:07.159
whatever you've been doing. And they happen to

01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:09.780
have an MDM product that they offer that's baked

01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:13.840
in. Yeah. And I mean, it's like single sign -on,

01:04:13.900 --> 01:04:17.460
right? They're doing. Yeah. Single sign -on is

01:04:17.460 --> 01:04:19.719
a part of what they offer. Yeah. Two -factor

01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:21.860
is a part of what they offer. For those of you

01:04:21.860 --> 01:04:25.579
that hate login information, single sign -on

01:04:25.579 --> 01:04:27.539
is what you need to be looking at. It can be

01:04:27.539 --> 01:04:30.219
nice, but it just becomes that much more important

01:04:30.219 --> 01:04:33.719
to have two -factor. And to strengthen your passwords.

01:04:35.059 --> 01:04:37.360
For those of you that don't know what he means

01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:40.059
by strengthen your passwords, I'm going to have

01:04:40.059 --> 01:04:46.599
a little anecdote here for you. I had I was explaining

01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.900
to a lady that I was trying to remember a password

01:04:49.900 --> 01:04:52.219
and then just gave up on and started trying to

01:04:52.219 --> 01:05:00.619
look up on my not too shabby. I was just looking

01:05:00.619 --> 01:05:03.559
up. than like what the password was and he's

01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:05.679
done stopped trying to remember it and i was

01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:07.380
like i just have too many passwords and they're

01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:09.659
all very complicated yep and she was like oh

01:05:09.659 --> 01:05:13.460
you need my password uh solution and i was like

01:05:13.460 --> 01:05:16.260
are you have like an app she's like no it's the

01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:18.820
way i like come up with passwords and i said

01:05:18.820 --> 01:05:23.699
you're the problem to like the nicest lady i

01:05:23.699 --> 01:05:26.380
don't have anything against her but like you

01:05:27.309 --> 01:05:30.250
The fact that you just like tried to explain

01:05:30.250 --> 01:05:34.570
to me that you have a password that is not like

01:05:34.570 --> 01:05:37.090
you're saying that you don't, you don't use the

01:05:37.090 --> 01:05:43.409
same password, but you have a password like system.

01:05:46.650 --> 01:05:54.110
That's a problem. Yeah. That's. That's not good.

01:05:54.210 --> 01:05:56.269
My only complaint with the password manager since

01:05:56.269 --> 01:06:01.050
I've embraced it. Yeah. Is that I've been, I've

01:06:01.050 --> 01:06:03.409
become so dependent upon it. So dependent. I

01:06:03.409 --> 01:06:05.670
can't remember my password. Oh my gosh. I used

01:06:05.670 --> 01:06:09.090
to be able to be like, Oh, no big deal. But I

01:06:09.090 --> 01:06:11.650
mean, and now it's like Chris, a number of things

01:06:11.650 --> 01:06:15.690
that I have to log into is insane. Yeah. But

01:06:15.690 --> 01:06:18.349
it was, I'm realizing it was actually good exercise

01:06:18.349 --> 01:06:21.750
for my brain. Yeah. I just can't keep doing.

01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:27.599
20 letter passwords with very different thoughts

01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.699
behind them every time. And then remembering

01:06:30.699 --> 01:06:34.019
what they are and then changing them. That's

01:06:34.019 --> 01:06:37.760
why you choose a phrase. Yeah. A fairly long

01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:40.099
phrase. And then you can pick where you want

01:06:40.099 --> 01:06:42.940
to put numbers, special characters, and it's

01:06:42.940 --> 01:06:46.400
much easier to keep up than just trying to grab

01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:50.019
some randomness. No, I mean, that's, I'm, I was

01:06:50.019 --> 01:06:53.179
trying not to give it away too much. But like

01:06:53.179 --> 01:06:56.300
the fairly long phrase, that's not repeating

01:06:56.300 --> 01:06:58.780
the fairly long phrase or repeating the password

01:06:58.780 --> 01:07:01.260
over and over and over again, then becomes the

01:07:01.260 --> 01:07:05.300
same type of like shell game. Especially when

01:07:05.300 --> 01:07:08.219
I've only got five attempts before it locks me

01:07:08.219 --> 01:07:14.420
out. Oh no. True. So I have to like, I just don't

01:07:14.420 --> 01:07:17.500
have the brain power for him. Yeah. I was looking

01:07:17.500 --> 01:07:19.980
the other day. I think I had like 97 passwords

01:07:19.980 --> 01:07:26.719
in mine. But I've also got some of Lori's. Man,

01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:33.340
it's a complicated world. You're not using a

01:07:33.340 --> 01:07:38.239
company -specific password manager for your work

01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.699
and personal for personal? Is that what I'm hearing?

01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:48.039
Are you in violation? Oof. I just got called

01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:54.110
out. We're going to end this podcast on that

01:07:54.110 --> 01:07:57.829
note. We'll catch on two weeks. I have some work

01:07:57.829 --> 01:08:00.829
to do. Well, but I can help. I can help you fix

01:08:00.829 --> 01:08:05.949
that. Yeah. Not that I'm a jump cloud evangelist,

01:08:05.969 --> 01:08:13.409
but you kind of are. You can get for free, manage

01:08:13.409 --> 01:08:16.069
up to 10 devices. And the beauty of the free

01:08:16.069 --> 01:08:19.069
is you get all the features and password manager.

01:08:19.659 --> 01:08:23.619
Is one of the features. Put it on all your personal.

01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:27.920
Correct. So I use my JumpCloud password manager

01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:32.140
on my phone for personal. But when I left my

01:08:32.140 --> 01:08:36.140
work computer at work and I'm at home and I can't

01:08:36.140 --> 01:08:39.420
remember a password, I'm like, oh, personal phone,

01:08:39.579 --> 01:08:42.640
personal passwords. I guess I'll have to do that

01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:44.859
when I get to work tomorrow because I can't remember

01:08:44.859 --> 01:08:47.739
the password anymore. Isn't that nice? Yes and

01:08:47.739 --> 01:08:52.119
no. I just mean, thankfully it's never come to

01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:54.300
the point where it's like, well, I guess I'm

01:08:54.300 --> 01:08:55.880
going to the office because this is critical

01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:58.239
and it has to happen now. Yeah. This is also,

01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:00.079
I would say one of those differences between

01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:05.600
generations that we, it's much harder for us

01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:10.060
to like stop once we get started on something

01:09:10.060 --> 01:09:13.380
like that. And I think the next generation and

01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:15.680
the one after it, especially are much more like,

01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:20.560
Oh no, that's my personal time. Whatever, man.

01:09:20.979 --> 01:09:26.340
Yeah. So. I got work to do. Yes. Get out of my

01:09:26.340 --> 01:09:28.560
way. So, but there are a lot of great MDM solutions

01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:31.159
out there. Xnode, I've used it. I can recommend

01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.800
that. JumpCloud, as we've talked about. Jamf.

01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:37.359
AirWatch, as we talked about, has kind of been

01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:43.100
rolled into VMware. Meraki's system manager.

01:09:43.300 --> 01:09:46.970
Oh, my goodness. Meraki. That's a good one, especially

01:09:46.970 --> 01:09:50.130
if you leverage Meraki hardware. When you get

01:09:50.130 --> 01:09:53.270
into their Sentry policies, when you can integrate

01:09:53.270 --> 01:09:56.430
your switches and your access points into your

01:09:56.430 --> 01:10:01.329
MDM, really amazing things can happen. If you're

01:10:01.329 --> 01:10:03.829
totally locked into Microsoft, you're probably

01:10:03.829 --> 01:10:09.090
going to want to leverage Intune. Okay. So, because

01:10:09.090 --> 01:10:15.270
that's Microsoft's MDM. And right now, I really

01:10:15.270 --> 01:10:19.310
wish Microsoft would change this. So for those

01:10:19.310 --> 01:10:21.149
of you who have never done an MDM with Apple,

01:10:21.289 --> 01:10:22.909
they have what's called an Apple Business Manager.

01:10:23.430 --> 01:10:28.409
And I go buy their products from an Apple -certified

01:10:28.409 --> 01:10:31.489
partner. Yes, it has to be a partner. Correct.

01:10:31.569 --> 01:10:33.350
You can't just buy it from Best Buy and expect

01:10:33.350 --> 01:10:38.590
this to work. Or Amazon. Correct. Yes. Or Wawa.

01:10:39.369 --> 01:10:43.460
Yes. I give them our Business Manager ID. that

01:10:43.460 --> 01:10:46.279
device shows up in business manager which will

01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:50.060
kick it immediately to my mdm server and i can

01:10:50.060 --> 01:10:52.920
totally set it up well microsoft has their version

01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:56.460
of it but they hold on to it uniquely for intune

01:10:56.460 --> 01:10:58.779
nice and i understand what they're trying to

01:10:58.779 --> 01:11:00.359
do they're trying to keep you locked into their

01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.560
product but i really hope that eventually they

01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:06.340
go hey the writing's on the wall we need to open

01:11:06.340 --> 01:11:11.060
this up yeah and then we can bring a really nice

01:11:11.060 --> 01:11:14.380
uh solution to other mobile device platforms

01:11:14.380 --> 01:11:19.460
for windows yeah one of these days but there's

01:11:19.460 --> 01:11:22.920
a ton of them out there um different ranging

01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:26.319
in pricing depending upon what your your budget

01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:31.500
is um if you're getting into android and chromebook

01:11:31.500 --> 01:11:35.739
google obviously has their own and if you're

01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:39.479
in either the the non -profit package or if you're

01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:41.100
paying for one of the business packages it's

01:11:41.100 --> 01:11:44.859
going to be baked in and so if that's what you're

01:11:44.859 --> 01:11:47.560
really leveraging you should take advantage of

01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:51.720
it for sure so google's isn't as pretty as some

01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:53.560
of the other options that are out there but it

01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:59.220
gets the job done yeah you say it's pretty and

01:11:59.220 --> 01:12:02.619
just i think it's functional but yeah oh it's

01:12:02.619 --> 01:12:06.149
the the google solution is very much engineers

01:12:06.149 --> 01:12:10.810
came up with these things and some engineers

01:12:10.810 --> 01:12:13.109
slash a little bit of UI guys were like, well,

01:12:13.130 --> 01:12:16.310
we'll clean this up a little bit, but they definitely

01:12:16.310 --> 01:12:19.289
did not have dedicated GUI people developing

01:12:19.289 --> 01:12:23.729
what you're doing. No. I got some best practices

01:12:23.729 --> 01:12:26.130
they missed, which they nail on so many things.

01:12:26.229 --> 01:12:29.550
So it's a little bit jarring. Anyway. So, but

01:12:29.550 --> 01:12:32.470
ultimately if you are managing, I would say,

01:12:34.430 --> 01:12:40.229
More than 20, maybe 30 devices at the most. You

01:12:40.229 --> 01:12:43.189
really need to be thinking MDM. It's life -changing.

01:12:43.329 --> 01:12:46.369
I was going to go much fewer than that. I think

01:12:46.369 --> 01:12:49.090
that it's life -changing for anybody who's managing

01:12:49.090 --> 01:12:54.909
somebody else's device. Correct. It's life -changing.

01:12:56.050 --> 01:12:59.350
It's an important thing. Yeah. You just got to

01:12:59.350 --> 01:13:01.289
convince people who are in charge of the money

01:13:01.289 --> 01:13:03.319
that it's worth it. Yep. You got to give me the

01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:05.699
money. I have to spend it. And yes, it comes

01:13:05.699 --> 01:13:08.319
every month. Every. It's not a one and done.

01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:14.539
Man. Every time. Yep. Anyway. Hey, good to talk

01:13:14.539 --> 01:13:16.199
to you. Yeah, enjoyed it. Thanks for hanging

01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.380
out. That was good beer. It is. You are the man.

01:13:18.899 --> 01:13:21.659
Yeah, I'm going to finish the second mug. Yeah.

01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:24.880
Yep. Waste not, want not. We're going to be sitting

01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:27.380
here for a while longer. That's okay. All right.

01:13:28.500 --> 01:13:49.819
See you. See you. Thank you so much for joining

01:13:49.819 --> 01:13:50.060
us.