Hey Chris, how you doing?
Hey John, good, how are you?
I'm doing okay.
Good.
I got a special surprise for us today.
Okay.
But what are we gonna, before I pull out the beer, what are we gonna talk about?
We are gonna talk about some fun gear tonight from a company called Audio Sigma.
Nice.
Yes.
Did you send this to me originally or did I send it to you?
Audio Sigma, I'm pretty confident it came from me.
Yeah, I was like, I know that like we were all, like this was a discovery for me whenever
we were trying to figure out like gear and stuff.
Yes, recently you did the setup.exe from, I can't think of the name of the company,
but it helps one person install heavy gear into a network rack.
Yes.
We actually have one.
Do you?
Tried it for the first time two days ago.
Worked quite well.
Game changer.
Yes, because I was putting in a nice heavy 1500 VA battery backup in the rack.
The kind of thing you don't want to hold with one hand.
No you don't.
Put it right in.
Beautiful.
Oh my gosh.
And then later on did it with a Cisco switch and it worked well.
I'm so jealous.
Okay, on this, we're recording this on December 19th, 2024.
On this, the Christmas Eve, Eve, Eve, Eve, Eve, you can count how many Eves that was.
Yes.
Congratulations.
I have brought you a Christmas gift.
Oh wow.
From the bottom of my heart.
I feel horrible because I have nothing to give you.
You shouldn't feel horrible because you gave me this first.
Jason gave it to us first.
I've got a four pack of Dragon Milk for you.
That's just for you.
Well, thank you very much.
So you know, if you finish all four of these during the show, you're going to be under
the table.
That's not happening.
But you've got your mug to pour it in.
I do have the mug.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
Absolutely.
I was like, why do you need two four packs?
I was like, well, one's for Chris.
His and his, right?
Yeah.
I may have already drank most of mine, but I've got one.
I've got one left.
Okay.
I think I'm going to have to go to my backup opener.
What happened to our opener?
Is it not on here anymore?
Hold on.
There's the one that typically that I bring.
No, I had one here.
Oh, I guess I've just always used the one that I brought.
So I, because you kept bringing yours, I brought a red one in here and now I don't see it.
So, yeah, it looks like we're going to be using your backup.
Okay.
You know what these mugs need is a bottle of frostiness.
So this is actually, and I think we were using these when you were still at Pikeville.
Yeah.
You recognize what that goes to?
I recognize what that goes to.
Opens up the black box enclosure.
And is also a bottle opener.
Well, it's about to be used for one.
Well, that's definitely why they put that lip on it.
I mean, I don't.
Yeah.
It's going to serve double duty.
I'm pretty sure.
I also had one attached to this Yeti bag at one point.
That worked quite well.
Can I borrow it?
Yeah.
Incoming.
One, two, three.
Oh, there you go.
Nailed it.
So bless it.
I'm trying to remember if I had this one on the show.
I don't remember.
Time for the poor.
I mean, these mugs look a bottle, make a bottle of beer look really, really small.
I'm just saying.
Like, isn't that a little bit pathetic?
Guys, I wish like I hold on.
We will take a picture real quick so we can put this on the show.
No, I mean, this is 12 ounces.
Yeah, that's not.
It's not nothing.
Hold on.
I'm going to get closer to you.
One, two, three.
Yeah, that's happening.
So it looks like there's so little in here.
I feel like I have to pour in a second.
I mean, I mean, I also need to make sure we got a whole hour in front of us.
So wow.
Beautiful darkness.
Think.
Oh my goodness.
I love that.
Love a good stout.
I told you about finding their merch after we drank.
Listen, I would gladly wear something that said Dragon's Milk on it.
But Jason Court definitely approves of this choice.
The Dragon's Milk.
Oh, I got a second one.
Age stout.
I'm going to go for two.
Going for two.
Hold on.
All right.
Where is.
Just so this beer mug doesn't look so empty.
There is the blurb.
Oh, that was terrible.
You could play for the Cowboys.
Or I could play quarterback for the Bears.
But you got to be able to run for your life.
Yeah, that's true.
You can't do anything.
You can't play long for the Bears.
No, no, no, no.
All right.
Here we go.
Dragon's Milk.
Throughout the ages, Dragon's Milk has been a term used to describe potent ales that were
bestowed in celebration at the end of a journey.
Hey, that's actually fitting.
End of a journey.
Show for the year.
There you go.
Way to go 2024.
You sucked something awful.
Yes.
Just me?
Okay.
Yes.
Our signature stout carries on that tradition today.
Roasted malt delivers notes of coffee and chocolate, married with sweet undertones of
vanilla and oak from a three month stay.
I love that.
A three hour tour.
A three month stay.
In a bourbon barrel.
A three day in a bourbon barrel, to create a truly legendary blend of flavors.
Legend.
All the way from Michigan.
Michigan.
To your lips.
I'm just saying, I only know a few good things that have come out of Michigan.
Looking at you, Jason.
Cheers.
Clink.
Yep.
Oh my gosh.
That's a good one.
I've talked to you about Old Chubb, right?
You have.
You've had Old Chubb on the show.
I have had Old Chubb on the show.
It's just been a while.
It has.
Early, early on in a can.
I just, I would like to thank Old Chubb for opening me up to the possibility of dark ales.
I mean, you know, the stout wouldn't have, wouldn't have been a thing if it wasn't for
Old Chubb.
Thank you, Old Chubb.
You get a hint of the bourbon, not too strong.
No, it's, it's just like, it's on the side of the tongue type.
Yes.
Um, a little, I can, I can catch a little bit of that vanilla that they're talking about.
Um, I taste a lot of coffee.
Yeah.
Coffee.
I don't get so much of the chocolate.
I mean, like a dark chocolate, that kind of bitter, you know what I'm talking about?
Maybe.
It's not milk chocolate.
I can tell you that right now.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
And I'm not a fan of the dark chocolate.
No.
Um, so my, I've got a, one of my sisters like loves dark chocolate, but she'll, she'll do
it with dark chocolate and sea salt.
Oh.
And that's not as bad.
I don't know what it is.
I'm not saying anything because I don't know what I'm talking about with it, but she's
a big like dark chocolate and sea salt.
That sounded like you broke it.
That was disappointing.
Okay.
Well, that was, that was pretty bad.
That was anticlimactic.
Sorry.
Sorry, listeners.
That there was no, um, well that sounds great.
Yes it does.
That on the other hand was very nice.
Is it?
Oh, stop.
Oh, it's going to be great.
But just go over the top, go right on that Dell.
It's fine.
No, it's like I knew what I was doing.
It's like, you knew what you were doing.
Just take a picture of that now.
Yes.
This stuff is awesome.
So I would, I would highly recommend the dragon's milk.
You do need to be careful with it because it is 11% ABV.
High gravity.
So not necessarily.
There's actually a good song called high gravity.
I wish I, maybe I can find a way to work that in cause it is technically value for value
music.
Maybe I can add that to the end of the show.
That'd be awesome.
At least in the notes.
Yes.
Always in the notes.
Yes.
Um, okay.
So let's talk about Mike.
So first off, I want to start off with a huge thank you to Fernando.
And I know I'm going to butcher this last name.
Pettis P I R E S Fernando is the basically the inventor of this product.
Okay.
So why did Fernando call it Mike?
Microphone.
Yeah.
But it's a, it's a pun.
It's a play.
Mike, M I K E microphone, Mike, M I C.
I get it.
But Fernando is a much better name than Mike.
So sorry, I've got a cousin whose name is Mike.
That was not personal.
And anybody out there named Mike, especially if your name is Mike and you live in Australia
and you downloaded us for the first time.
Yes.
Thank you.
Sydney, Australia.
Appreciate you.
Yes.
So he is the inventor of the product.
I've not necessarily talked to him over the phone, although he did offer if it needed
to go that far, top notch customer service.
I mean, I can talk to the guy who made it correct.
And his responsiveness to email tech support.
Unbelievable.
That's awesome.
Unbelievable.
When I thought I had a problem, which I didn't, I just didn't properly understand how to use
the product.
Okay.
That's, that's big.
He, I said, Oh, hey, I'm going to ship it to you.
And he said, yeah, here's my FedEx account number.
I'm like, Oh dude, that's awesome.
Thank you.
I didn't have to pay shipping.
I'm just going to ship it to you the way normal people ship things.
Exactly.
I was prepared to go pay 10, 15 bucks, whatever it was to get it to Oklahoma.
And he's in Oklahoma.
He's in Oklahoma.
All right.
One strike.
He works for, of all places, he works for kicker audio.
I didn't know kicker audio was in Oklahoma.
I didn't either.
There's not many things in Oklahoma and they're just mean people.
Lots of tornadoes.
Anyway, so, so this is his product.
He's got three different options currently in his, um, his stable, if you will.
We are going to be able to put our hands on two of those tonight.
So, I didn't wait.
Is this the, this is, this is the same?
This is the secret.
See now you, you got me.
Yeah.
So Fernando, um, you knew that this show was going to happen.
I will make sure I get you the link to this again.
I can't thank you enough for the time and attention that you put into this for me to
help me better understand the product because I was just being a bonehead and I'm, I'm pleased
with the product.
Uh, tonight there will be on the beginning end, it might be a little heavy, um, on the
near talk, the nerd knob, but then we can quickly get into some actual real tangible
discussion.
No, it's going to be great.
I'm super excited about this.
Um, so the, uh, Fernando's company is called audio Sigma, which great name.
Good job, Fernando.
Um, and he's got three different products who want to talk about here.
The first one being Mike hero, which, so that's, that was the, like, this was his original
product.
Originally, this is what it was.
Yes.
Um, so go in the show notes, um, look up this thing.
Um, it is, I like it.
I like the, the like, uh, bare bones black, like everything is very like, um, and it's
only $199.
And I will include a picture in the show notes of his business card.
His business card looks like the actual product.
Oh, nice.
That's awesome.
Very nice touch.
Way to go.
So, okay.
So Mike hero, Mike hero, $199 trademark.
Don't be trying to correct.
Call something else.
The Mike hero.
Correct.
I know you can't see it, but you, uh, well, if you have a podcasting 2.0 app, see, now
we're just going to assume that everybody has a podcasting 2.0 app because if you're
not using a podcasting 2.0 app, what's wrong with you?
Um, so go get a stop, pause, go get a podcasting 2.0 app, look us up and then come back and
you can see, um, the Mike hero that we are looking at right now on our screens.
Yes.
So you've got the Mike hero, $199.
I can't express enough how portable these things are and in my opinion, affordable.
Oh no, absolutely affordable.
Like the, we're going to talk about like the use case for each of these three products.
And we are going to talk about like each one of them being relatively same size.
Um, pretty close.
Pretty close and they, they are, I mean, smaller than cell phones on some, on some, uh, maybe,
maybe thicker because you know, it's got a XLR on this Mike hero.
Yes it does.
Um, that, that, that's going to be thicker, but I don't know.
There's some cases out there that I'm going to be like, what is going on?
So this is the mystery.
Oh, that's the, this is the mystery box.
That's a little bitty.
Would you like to see it?
I mean, I feel like we got to get to that last, don't we?
No, no, no, no.
It goes with what we're talking about.
Oh, I'm so excited.
Okay.
Unzip.
Uh, your limiter or what?
Not limiter.
Um, your gate did not let a lot of that come through, but let me tell you, it was a very
satisfying zip.
That's a bummer.
Sorry.
I blame the audio engineer.
I do blame the audio engineer.
I have to show you the Mike hero.
He sent this to me.
That thing is tiny.
I sent in this one because I thought there was something wrong and then learned that
I was just being a goober.
He sent it back with a Mike hero.
I'm sorry.
A exactly.
Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Fernando is freaking awesome.
Fernando and I, and I totally sent him an email.
I'm like, Hey, uh, I appreciate you sent that.
Do you need me to send this back when I'm done?
Right.
No.
Uh, thank you.
Exactly.
Okay.
So Mike hero that it's not much bigger than a credit card.
Correct.
Um, it's thick.
It's thick.
Yeah.
Because of the component.
Imagine.
I mean, you need, it's got, it's got a, the, the thickness really, most of it is coming
from the XLR and the two, uh, knobs on the top of it, which, but that's, that's the,
those are the controls that you need using this thing.
And so it's got, it's got an XLR input.
It's got headphones out to headphone outs.
Yes.
Two headphones, two headphone outs.
It's got a, uh, uh, power.
Power via USB-C USB-C it's got, um, audio coming out of us or going out using USB-C.
It's got Mike out, uh, going USB-C and then it's got, um, I guess the USB audio is, um,
bi-directional.
It's got Mike out and then it's got ox in.
So you can actually do an ox in as well.
There are dip switches on the side, uh, for high pass filters one and two or normal, which
I'm guessing is no high pass filter.
And then, uh, a pre kind of a pre EQ or like a preset EQ, not a pre EQ, sorry.
Um, so there's normal and then there's EQ one and EQ two.
And then you can also choose between a dynamic and a condenser microphone.
Correct.
So this will power a condenser microphone.
It does have phantom power, which is amazing.
We're able to going out of that XLR, um, that it's got at the top of it.
Um, I mean, and on that high pass filter, I was able to find this.
That's quite a product at normal for $200.
Yeah.
At normal it's 32 Hertz high pass filter one is 80 Hertz.
I pass filter two is 120 Hertz.
Okay.
Um, in the space of audio interfaces, there, there are a lot of different, um, there's
a lot of different solutions out there.
Um, I, I'm constantly reminded of like, you know, well, if you get this, you're really
like the purpose for buying this audio interface is this and the purpose for buying this audio
interface is this and whatever, like all of these different things.
I'm going to tell you, we're going to get into this here in a second.
Um, what he's done at audio Sigma, what Fernando has done at audio Sigma is, is create these,
um, they're like, I mean, it's, it's not, it's not fully Swiss army knife, but these,
these different products that we're going to talk about are very much like utility.
It's essentially low priced.
It's close to plug and play as you can get.
I mean, you literally set it and you forget it.
Yeah.
Find the sound that you like, use that sound correct.
And you just plug your stuff in and I know y'all at home won't be able to see this.
I won't be able to do it with this particular mic.
Did you just try to plug the mic in directly?
Well, see, that's the thing.
Certain mics actually can plug what will fit.
You could literally plug this like, like a, the one that I think that I've seen people
are doing is the shotgun mic.
Yeah.
And this is literally sticking right off of the shotgun mic.
This plugs into USB into your computer and you're off to the races.
I think both of our shotgun mics are in the, or all of our shotgun mics are in the other
room.
I used to have one up above this setup that we have here.
I'm not going to go look for that now, but that's pretty awesome.
Yes.
I will find the pictures online.
That's amazing.
And include that so y'all can see.
And just plugged directly in and it's not like, it's not heavy enough.
I'm telling you, this thing is so small.
It's not heavy enough to like put a drag on your microphone.
0.24 pounds.
Components.
0.24 pounds.
Yes.
Not, I mean, it is, it's super like the mic here was tiny.
Um, thank you.
I know I get to actually touch it.
Get to touch the merchandise.
I'm just saying that is so cool.
So I'm going to go Fernando.
The pre-amp gain is actually pretty good at seven and a half DB.
Yeah, seven and a half DB.
So not, uh, not anything to tune your nose up at.
Yeah.
And these like the switches are, um, the dip switches on the side.
I call them dip switches because they're tiny.
Well, that one is actually a dip switch.
The EQ one is a little bit bigger than a dip switch.
Um, and so it's the high pass, but the dynamic and condenser is just straight up.
Like you should be, you should be doing that with a knife, like in a tiny hole.
Um, but so that they're plastic, but they, they do feel like they feel solid.
The whole thing, um, is kind of pulled all together with these, uh, screws, um, at the
four corners.
Um, and it's just like the, the board itself is metal.
Um, and then the, or the, not the board, the board, like you can see the circuitry in the
middle of it, but then it's got two, uh, metal, uh, plates on either side of it that just
make it feel very solid.
And because it's so little, I feel like there's just a lot there, um, to feel good about.
Um, so
So that particular one is 3.7 inches by 2.75 inches by 1.4 inches.
That's how small.
Yeah.
And I'm a, I mean, you know, like I'm a knob fader, like wonk.
That sounded bad.
Sorry.
Um, but I, I, you know, just the, the, the actual tech, uh, tactile feel of these things,
um, matters to me.
If it feels cheap, then it, it makes me nervous to have it.
Um, and this is not something that I would feel bad about carrying around in a bag, which
is, I think like that's the, that's kind of the goal.
It's a, it's a great, like, like we talked about plugging it into the microphone, but
it's a great, it's got the little rubber feet on the bottom of these screws.
Um, it's great for sitting on your, uh, desktop and you know, not scratching the surface or
whatever.
Yep.
And the, the actual like interaction of it, uh, that you're, that you have is this, you
know, these switches on the sides, um, the knobs on the top and then a mute button, um,
at the very top of it.
Um, and it's like, it's not, that's great.
Great job.
I like it when people come up with things like this, it's your patent number on the
back and everything.
Yeah.
And you scan the QR code on the bottom and it gives you the user's manual.
Nice.
Yes.
Cause who wants to look through paper?
Who wants another thing of, you know, to sit in a drawer for the rest of your life?
Yes.
And based off the purchase of the Pod Mobile, which we'll talk about in a little while,
which came with the case that it's sitting in here.
Yeah.
That was your purchase.
You didn't buy the MyKiro, you bought the Pod Mobile.
Yes.
You bought the Pod Mobile, but is it Pod Mobile or Pod Mobile?
Pod Mobile DSP.
So but that case that that is in, that is the case that comes with the MyKiro.
So when you buy the product, it comes with that case.
Well that's fantastic.
Yes.
I thought you just like had this from a no, no, no, no.
So you can have the Pod Mike on the one side, stuff your USB-C cable on the other side,
zip it up and you're on the go.
Well I mean, I'd be, I'd be not just doing a USB-C cable.
I'd be getting one of these solid state Samsung T7s or whatever and putting that in there
on the side as well.
Sure.
Cause you never know when you just want to.
That's so nice.
It is.
It's very, very well done, very well designed.
Big fan.
Good job.
Okay.
So tell us some specs on this bad boy.
Cause it looks great.
It feels great.
Okay.
You, you talked about 70B.
70, sorry.
70.5 dB.
70.5, sorry.
Pre-amp gain.
Signal to noise is minus 115.
Yep.
A weighted.
Yep.
I need to fix a typo.
That says BD.
I don't think, I don't think that's how sound is.
No, it's D, it's DB.
DB.
Signal to noise ratio.
Of a minus 115.
No, minus 115.
Dynamic range.
Dynamic range is 98 decibels A weighted.
Okay.
My favorite THD, total harmonic distortion.
Love that.
It just rolls off the tongue.
It does.
Less than 0.01% at 25 millivolts RMS.
If you followed that, then congratulations.
Yes.
So we talked about.
You are our.
Yes.
Your did it.
Target market.
Yes.
So we already talked about the Palosive that is in the high pass filter.
Okay.
We'll go with a few more little geek things.
The XLRN impedance is three kiloohms.
The output impedance is one ohm.
Power is 400 milliwatts minimum power draw.
I was really intrigued by this.
1.1 watts at 0.22 amps maximum power draw of 2.1 watts at 0.42 amps.
And we talked about the size and again, it is less than a quarter of a pound.
It is a really great product.
I have used it.
It was again, very easy to set up.
There's there's it's not like you take it out of the box and you have to do a bunch
of software to make it work.
You don't have to be an audio engineer.
You don't have to know how to use a mixer.
You don't have to know how to EQ.
You literally just take it out.
You can make the adjustments one at a time.
Find the sound that you like.
And that's it.
You plug it into USBC.
You're off to the races.
And I mean, I just love that.
Yes.
I'm not going to say the company that it sounds like because I don't like that company.
But it just works.
But he is it's kind of magical.
He is that company.
It's it is so spectacular, spectacular and fantastic.
Stupendous, stupendous.
Wonderful.
All you need is a turtleneck and you have to look.
You have to look jeans.
So if you are wanting to get into podcasts, but you don't want to spend a lot of money,
this is a great place to start.
The mic hero.
Hundred ninety nine dollars.
Easy.
There are plenty of good mics anywhere from one hundred to two hundred dollars.
Right.
There's a lot of them clustered around ninety nine dollars.
There are now.
Yeah, there there are.
So you could get started crazy cheap.
Definitely.
And I mean, have a really quality sound here.
Yes.
And I had no problem getting it to work with Riverside FM.
As you know, we've had some trouble using the road caster.
Guys, I feel like we have we have experienced a lot of a lot of failings and different difficulties
in different places with different products that should have been plug and play and just
work and all of that stuff.
And this this one actually did work.
So very impressed with that.
So I think one thing we did skip is it works with essentially all the major operating systems.
Yes.
So you can use it on Mac, Linux, iOS, all of these like it right in your phone.
OK.
iPad OS.
Yeah.
Plug direct in and let me tell you, that is a much bigger deal than it used to be.
But like, yes, all three of these are all three of these products are agnostic.
You can use them on all these different correct operating systems.
So super well done, Mike.
OK, so we the step up from the Mike Hero, though, if you've got a little bit more money
to to to blow here, you've got the Mike Hero DSP still an crazy and affordable two hundred
and eighty nine dollars.
Yes.
Not bad at all.
And I have like your first line here.
I know that came from them.
That's not me.
Oh, is it?
It's directly from Fernando himself.
I am.
I'm very impressed, Fernando.
Well done.
Yes.
We put a rocket on a bicycle.
So secret special for the Mike Hero DSP.
OK.
If you go to and I guess this is a free plug for them.
B.S.W. USA.
OK.
B.S.W. USA is something you should go check out anyway.
Correct.
They're that's where I got my Pod Mobile from.
I've got my my e.v. microphones from there as well.
Every now and then they still have the listing, but they just don't have any available at
the moment.
Uh huh.
But on the Mike Hero DSP, they have what they call B stock.
Nice.
Which means it may have a slight blemish or it's something that somebody purchased and
returned.
Yeah.
You can get this specific one for two hundred and twenty nine dollars.
Wow.
Yes.
You can get a rocket on a bicycle.
Yes, you can.
For two hundred twenty dollars.
And let me tell you what, that is that marketing is speaking my language because there was
nothing more that I wanted as a kid than to put a rocket on a rocket on a bicycle.
Absolutely.
I was the kid who was trying to figure out how to strap bottle rockets to my bicycle
in order to shoot at kids that I didn't like.
That was me.
I just put firecrackers in between the arms and legs of the GI Joes.
I'm just saying when the when when PlayStation finally came out and I got to play Twisted
Metal, I was like a pig in mud.
It was amazing.
Pig in slime.
So Mike Hero DSP.
What's the difference here?
What are we talking about?
Why?
Why does it have this DSP moniker?
DSP is where the magic happens.
Oh my gosh.
It was so.
Yes, it is.
So even whisper.
Now I did add this this one.
So I will say again, very portable, very affordable.
And then I add the little thing that says like having a studio in your go back.
I mean, who doesn't want a studio in their go back?
Exactly.
And again, it's going to come with the zipper enclosure, works with all those same OS.
Again, it's going to work with condenser, dynamic shotgun, you name it.
But DSP is where the fun stuff happens.
DSP introduces D noise to remove background noise.
Obviously, you've got the limiter because nobody wants to clip.
No, you don't want to lose part of your recording.
No, you've got the D pop to help reduce.
Hello, sis EQ settings for crisp audio.
This gets interesting.
It introduces loop back.
So you could bring in your podcast intro, background music, or if you want to do commentaries
over video.
Yep, that's pretty awesome.
And this one, this one, I actually really like the idea of it.
It has a monitor channel for playback recording without getting feedback.
That's what DSP brings to the table.
Yeah, the ability to analyze the signal as it's coming in and either augmented or to
yeah, I mean, argument is really the word that I'm looking for there.
But yeah, the ability to do that as it's coming in and not have to do that in post or not
have to do that by some physical means.
Yes.
And for those that are wondering, the equalizer is parametric.
Yes.
Okay.
So this is also he introduced a cool portion.
So the physical, you know, manipulation of the mic hero are those two knobs on the top,
the switches on the sides, and then the mute button on the top.
Now on the DSP, if you flip it over, you actually have like these capacitive touch buttons to
turn these to adjust the various levels.
They typically, if I remember correctly, they have three levels and plus I guess off with
nothing turned on.
But that first level is going to be green.
That next level up is going to be yellow.
Highest level is going to be red.
So again, it's one of those that depending on your environment, you just kind of go through
one at a time.
Get that sound that you're looking for.
And if you think in this thing, like those buttons are on the bottom of this thing.
If I, you know, set it down or whatever on a surface, it's not ever you can lock the
touch.
There is a slider on the side so that lock so that if anything did hit those capacitive
buttons, it's not nothing's going to change in the middle of your recording.
Love it.
Way to think through it.
Oh my gosh, that's the there's the there's the microphone of it with the mic hero DSP
attached to a shotgun shotgun mic.
Yes.
And then plugged in to the computer.
So if you are a voiceover guy and you're looking for something simple to move around with,
that would take care of business.
I don't.
Yeah.
And all you're doing is if you're in a hotel, you're grabbing pillows and cushions and you're
creating some makeshift booth and you're going to get in there.
You're going to have your computer outside of that.
You're going to start recording and it's going to be amazing.
Well done.
And I'm going to get a borrow from Mike DelGaudio, go record something amazing.
Starts at two eighty nine.
You can also get it if you like you.
Like Chris was saying, be stock, be stock, be as B.S.W. B.S. B.S.W. USA B.S.W. USA.com
and go look for that.
OK, third product here.
This one's actually my favorite.
We are not sponsored by B.S.W. all the way.
No.
The guys are listening.
They're saying we love you.
OK, so.
So those those are are really cool products and like great job, Fernando.
I mean, the the appetizer, the amuse bouche, very, very tantalizing, super grateful for
it.
And then then you went ahead and the piece de resistance gave us the, you know, rib eye
medium rare.
So rare.
This is this is the one that got my attention.
Probably rare.
Thank you, Adam Curry.
Oh, did he?
That's who I got it from.
OK, so there you go.
So this.
I mean, had had I known about this before the road caster just wouldn't have bought the
roadcast.
I probably wouldn't have bought the roadcast.
No reason to buy it.
The road casters amazing.
Don't get me wrong.
It's great.
Don't it's whatever.
Like, are you kidding me?
This is amazing.
So again, now this is a little bit bigger, not huge.
Oh, gosh, no.
Compared to the others, but it is a little bit bigger.
No, it's so it is three points.
Well, no, it's not.
No, it's not.
That's wrong.
That's a lie.
You put that wrong on there.
That's a lie.
Why would you lie to the people?
Don't lie.
Four point seven by four point one point eight inches.
Yeah.
So again, small.
Yeah, not a whole lot bigger than, you know, your phone.
To be honest, you know who you are.
It still fits.
You people with your crazy in the palm of your hand phones.
It's smaller than a tablet.
Absolutely.
Way smaller than a tablet.
You know what that reminds me of?
All you Southern Baptists out there.
It's like the size of a Gideon Bible.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I'd absolutely agree.
So and what do you get with this amazing piece of gear?
You get an extra XLR.
You do to XLR in here.
I'm telling you to XLR the two separate headphones out obviously because you've got two mics,
right?
You have the equalizer.
You've got the D noise.
And that's for both that separate for each channel.
You have so have loop back.
You've got monitor.
And then this is actually I think I understand what it means, but we'll see what you have
to say.
It has the recording mode where you can actually set an audible stage.
Yeah.
Would you like to explain that to the people?
So stage recording for two or more people at an audible stage to your visual stage.
So what I think and Fernando, please tell me if I'm wrong here that you're doing it
because this is just based on description.
I actually haven't talked to you about this.
So please forgive me.
So your ears are in case you don't know this are incredible, incredibly designed pieces
of gear attached to your head.
So because you have two ears, you can tell not only like the you can tell where the sound
is coming from and you can tell roughly how far away it is from you.
There's a bunch of things that your ears are doing that you don't even really realize because
we don't like we don't do this math in our head.
It's not technically math.
I guess at that point we have to do math to understand it like a lot of really complicated
math.
But you sound is not just pressure.
It's not just waves of pressure coming through the air.
There's actually molecules hitting each other and a whole lot involved with it.
So like we're not we're not going to get into velocity and all that stuff.
But the way that you perceive sound as a human being is pressure being put on your eardrum.
And because you have two ears, you not only hear the pressure difference on the two ears,
but you hear the like delay difference between the two ears and that gives you an idea of
the direction that things are coming from.
And it's like it is truly impressive the way that your ears work.
So a lot of sound recordings when you're you're not listening to something live, they can
sound really flat.
They can sound really one dimensional.
They can sound really.
I can tell that that's not like that.
It doesn't sound like that's in a room.
So what I think that he's introducing here in stage recording, I don't think that it's
just reverb or anything like that.
But I think that he is giving there's there's probably you know, that DSP involved to to
make sure that the you can tell whenever you're listening to the whatever is being recorded
off of this with the two mics that these these are not these are not the same source and
they are in open space.
So part of what's frustrating me right now about what we're recording or like the way
that this is being recorded are recording that's happening right now is that this gate
is like cutting me off.
And when that happens, it's great because you can't like you have a gate in order to
take off the little sounds that are happening in the room, the things that aren't they're
not the source of what we're trying to record.
But you also miss some of the feeling of being in a room.
Correct.
So I believe that that's what he's saying that you can do with this stage recording
is not only that it would I don't know if it shifts it.
It says normal like the options here on record mode are normal, which would be nothing and
then stage, which I'm guessing would make it feel like there's not just ambience but
also the separation of the two.
You know, one may be panned a little bit more than the other or not paying more but paying
one direction and the other one a little bit more.
I don't know how he's doing that.
I would love to know.
But I'm not asking for anything proprietary here.
Fernando, sorry.
But then he's also got split, which would make me think that stage may be like a little
bit left and right or a little bit like, you know, but split may be like you're sitting
right in between these people and one is hard panned to the left and one is hard panned
to the right.
Now the other reason that you might want to do that on a recording mode is if you pan
something hard left and pan another thing hard right, then when you go into manipulating
them, you can split them apart and basically you're getting the right and left as like
signal one and two and then you can manipulate one source differently than the other.
I don't know if that's what's happening, but that's what I would assume.
And then, but I would love Fernando, if you listen to this, if you could just tell me
how I'm wrong or, I mean, what a dream it would be just to, you know, have him call
in or something, right?
Are we, are we, are we, are we stretching too far here?
Are we bigger than our britches?
Probably anyway.
Great opportunity there with the record modes to be able to give, again, that like studio
in a box feel with this tiny box that you're purchasing for way less than you should be
able to purchase this for.
I'm not asking Fernando to increase the price.
Please don't increase the price, but like, I think he could get away with selling this
for more.
He's got a cool, you should probably put this picture on them.
Show notes of these six mics.
Cause he's got three of these mobiles daisy chain to each other.
Yes.
That actually, to me, that is an intriguing feature of this because it looks like an ethernet
port.
It does look like an ethernet port and you can run the splitters and you can, I believe
you can run as many as four of these together.
Yeah.
So you're running an ethernet like a RJ.
You shouldn't call it ethernet at that point.
Just RJ 45, RJ 45, RJ 45 connection that he's got, got it labeled as an expansion port expansion
port.
That's correct.
And so you can grow your rig as it says, yes, to up to 10 participants.
So that would be five, five of them.
Thank you for doing the math there for me.
Nice.
Just get some, you know, get some buddies, everybody bring your own.
Yeah.
Like a LAN party.
It would be interesting.
Fernando, again, I feel like I'm, I'm just throwing stuff out there.
Like it would, it would be nice if maybe that expansion port was on maybe the, it's too
much to ask for the Mike hero, but the Mike hero DSP.
So if like Chris had one and I had one and I just plugged mine and his together and then
he recorded on his computer, then maybe I could, but that's why we have the pod mobile.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Don't listen to me.
We have the pod mobile.
It's fine.
We do.
Um, you do coming back real quick to denoise and EQ.
There are four levels of denoise, four levels of denoise.
Yes.
And then it's really important to you that it, it can really behave almost like a noise
gate.
Well, I mean it is in some way.
Yeah.
So, but if you really start hitting that, those upper two, you can really tell that
you have got to get on the mic and you've got to get louder or you're not going to get
anything recorded.
And then you've got three levels of VQ.
Yeah.
And the, the really nice thing in the EQ, um, if you crank it up and get that, that
beautiful radio voice with that low bottom, I don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
I don't have it either.
Unless I have a sinus infection and then I get that really good low.
Did you ever watch friends?
Not really.
No.
Okay.
Well, I don't blame you.
I think she's got a lot of control, um, more than she should.
Um, and there's a, there's an episode where Phoebe is, uh, you know, Phoebe's a singer.
Yes.
I don't know if you know the characters.
Yeah, I know the characters.
So Phoebe's a singer, um, songwriter and horrible, but you know, whatever.
Um, but there's an episode where she has a cold and so she's got like, not only is it
nasally, but it's like, you know, raspy and sexy or whatever.
And so she loves doing her gigs when she's got her sexy voice.
Yeah.
And it's that like, you know, you don't really need an equalizer if you, if you're sick.
Yeah.
If you've got the voice.
Some people do, some people don't.
You'd be surprised how many radio voices don't have the radio voice and they hide behind
the fat bottom.
I mean, lots of EQ on that.
Good boy.
Yep.
Anyway.
Yep.
So, um, obviously with this, with two XLR, you've got two mic out.
Each of you get your, your own little hearing goodness.
Super important.
You've got separate gains on it for each channel.
Again, the same 70.5 dB pre-amp gain, same minus 115.
Again, I just had a bad day spelling.
It's not BD, it's DB.
Yeah.
I don't know what's going on there, man.
Man.
Is that auto correct or what?
Maybe.
Okay.
Sounds better than I made the mistake.
Yeah.
The same dynamic range of 98 dB, a way to total harmonic distortion.
I just love that.
Tell me about this mix knob that he's got on here.
Mike and USB.
So that you can actually, if you, so like that's where you, if you were leveraging the
loop back, you'd have an audio feed coming in via USB.
You could essentially pan is maybe not the right term that I'm looking for, but you can,
as you turn the knob to the left, you're going to get more from the mic and less of the USB.
As you turn the knob to the right, you're going to get more of the USB, less of the
mic.
Yeah, it's not pan.
It is a mixer.
So I, well, the way I see it is you would, you could start off a show, hard, right, all
USB, play your intro song.
And then as you're ready, you could then slow feed it back to bring in the mic.
You can start talking and then continue all the way over to all mic and completely shut
out that intro, the US, the USB feed.
And then you can stay on Mike.
And if you wanted to throw in a clip, then you can just kind of bring it back, bring
in as much of that USB feed as you want and then bring it back to Mike.
It is, I mean, it's a, it's a great little product.
I, I, again, this, this one, a couple more settings, but again, it's literally take it
out of the box, plug it in.
Your system just sees it.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter if you're using audible, if you're using a garage band on a Mac, it
shows right up.
You select it.
You're off and running.
You set your sound the way you want it.
Flip the toggle to lock the touch so it can't get changed on you.
Yeah.
And you're ready to go.
Maybe play with those equalizer and denoise settings a little bit to figure out which
one you like the best.
Yep.
Um, and then no big deal.
Yep.
And surprisingly enough, the power draw on this is the same on the low end.
It's 1.1 Watts at 0.22 amps on the max.
Again, it's only 2.1 Watts at 0.42 amps.
Yeah.
I don't know how he's doing that.
That seems like that should be bigger, but that's great.
So it's just, it's a very efficient system.
So if you were running this off your laptop, you forgot your charger, but you've got a
full battery.
You're not going to hit the battery all that hard.
Yeah.
Same signal to noise ratio.
Yes.
Same dynamic range.
Yes.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
I can speak to this one because it came with it when I bought it.
I didn't see it come in the one that Fernando sent of the Mike hero, but he did send that
direct so that may not be quite the same as if you bought it outright.
But what the pod mobile came with is USB A to C. It came with a C to C and it came with
lightning to USB A. No way.
Yes.
In the box.
So if you were running this into your older iPhone or older iPad, number one, Fernando,
please don't, please don't do that anymore.
You don't, you don't need to give Apple any money.
Um, they, but also like, this is not the apple brand.
And just to be fair, I don't care.
Like I'm sure that whoever manufactured that had to pay for that lightning connector.
Sure.
And all those things, um, like that is like, that's just, again, I think, I feel like this
speaks to the just over the top nature of, um, audio Sigma trying to help you out.
Like they're, they're not, they're not just selling you a thing and then being like, peace,
I got your money.
See you later.
Sucker.
Like the, the cannot emphasize enough.
I'm grateful.
I mean, you know, I haven't talked to Fernando, but I took care of my friend, man.
He did.
I finally talked to him.
I say talk.
We've community packing back and forth via email.
He did offer, Hey, if you get this and you're having trouble, let me know.
We'll get on the phone.
Yeah.
I mean, he was willing to go to whatever length he had to, to help me.
And so coming back to not understanding the product, I was coming at it from a traditional
I guess I'd say audio background.
Yeah.
And when you're speaking and you see a red light, what do you think?
Clip.
Exactly.
And so I kept seeing red and I'm like, Oh, too hot, too hot.
Back it off, back it off, back it off.
Yeah.
But then I couldn't hear well in my ear, in my headphones.
So I'm cranking up the headphone jack and it was introducing so much noise.
Yeah.
I feel like that was what I said to you whenever we recorded that one.
I was like, I mean, it sounds clear, but there's some noise that I feel like you're going to
have to take care of in post.
Which actually wasn't there.
Really?
It was not there.
It was all in my headphones.
Well, in my headphones.
Well, what I learned from him is you want to see some blinking red because that's not
actually yet a true clip.
Okay.
So when you speak, you want to see some of that, not all the time, but it doesn't need
to be always.
Yeah.
If it's just kind of periodically coming up, you're right where you need to be.
Okay.
And that allows you to now back off the headphone and all that noise that I was hearing, it's
gone.
I believe it.
And that's where the DSP kicks in.
So picture the red light that you're going to see is like the orange lights on your fader.
Yes.
You want to see those light up every once in a while.
You don't want to be on the low end of your green lights.
You want to be at the top end of your green lights and you want to see orange on a pretty
regular basis, but not always lit up.
And then that red light is the one that says like, it's distorting.
You went too far.
But I feel like, again, we would have heard it if it was distorting.
Correct.
And that, again, that's where the DSP kicks in.
The DSP is also taking care of limiting.
So it's okay if you see red light.
Pretty great.
It's not clipping.
And if you did somehow get to there, the DSP is going to kick in and save you.
Go Fernando.
So I had to unlearn as you had said, what I've learned.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not, again, this is totally nitpicking.
Maybe change that light to orange.
It's fine.
Don't, don't change anything.
Don't change it.
Good job.
So well done.
The documentation for all of these very simple, very easy to read.
And I will tell you what you actually can do.
Cause I tried it.
If you go to, I did this from BSW.
You could probably even do it from audio Sigma.
Yes, you can.
You can literally scan the QR code right off the website and pull up the manual.
Nice.
I was having fun playing around with that.
That's awesome.
So being able to look at the manual in particular of the Mike hero DSP to see how it compared
to the others.
Pod mobile DSP three 59.
Yes.
I just like, it's hard to argue with that man.
Yes.
You get to two XLR inputs.
Correct.
And then auxiliary, you know, from your USB connection, being bi-directional like that.
And because you've got loop back and you can bring stuff in via USB, you can run any software
that you need to for audio clips, whatever cart, whatever you want to call it.
And just bring that right in.
And you're not limited to just a handful of pads.
Now you've got to change pages like you have to do on the roadcaster.
So not that the roadcaster is not portable.
It certainly is.
Well, it's not portable than what we were coming from.
It's not like trying to throw a 32 channel mixer on your back and go into the airport.
No, this is, this is roughly the same size of, and you know, one XLR, XLR, sorry, XLR
pop on the like stream X.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Like there's no video, whatever that I'm not comparing these two.
Actually, I'm just saying size wise or portability wise, because the, the roadcaster pro two
and the roadcaster duo, both much larger than any of these products.
Absolutely.
And there's like, you know, it's a different thought process on how to fix this problem
for people.
Yep.
Even the, even the duo, like I'm not, I don't, I don't really think of that as something
that I'm throwing in a backpack.
I know they have a bag for it.
I know all of the things, but that's not like, this is a, this is an actual, I'm throwing
this in a bag set up.
And man, the number of times where that's what's necessary.
I just need to, I need to take the interface and the microphone and my computer or tablet.
Yep.
Thank you, Fernando.
Yeah, absolutely.
Golly.
Anyway.
So well done.
Yes.
So again, thank you, Fernando.
You were a huge help in helping me understand the product.
And again, the level of support was off the charts.
Yeah.
Huge.
And how many times you reach out to support?
Yeah.
It's really huge.
It's the best support.
I don't think you're going to find better support anywhere.
So, but how many times do you reach out to support and you actually get the inventor
of the product these days?
Oh my gosh.
Never.
I've only had it happen one other time.
What was that?
Serial IO.
Really?
The guy who did the RF readers that we do for camper bands.
Yeah.
He, I, I, I'm assuming he gets bored from time to time.
He just jumped on the-
And he likes to take phone calls.
Oh my gosh.
They're, I mean, probably close to half of my calls for support ended up being their
CEO, the guy who invented the product.
That's amazing.
And he's just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Cause he knows the product.
I love it.
This is my brainchild.
I actually know what I'm talking about here.
Yes.
I'm sure that-
I didn't know it was that way, but then I decided to do it this way for this reason.
Yeah.
I did it my way.
Like, uh, thank you for your time.
Yeah.
I'm not sure he's got some people going, Hey, your time is way too valuable to do support.
I mean, I feel like this is Fernando's going to be listening to this podcast going, yeah,
I thought about the orange light and just shut up, dude.
Yes.
So turns out the orange light is like 50% more expensive than the red light.
Yes.
Or doesn't exist.
Yes.
So I can't recommend these enough having used it again in fairness, I bought the pod mobile
DSP out of my own pocket.
This is not Fernando sent me a bunch of stuff to try to blow smoke at people.
He did however, send the Mike hero free of charge.
Yeah.
Can't say thank you enough.
No, like that's, uh, again, above and beyond the, the real thing though here is that, uh,
that like, you know, number one, we're not going to be anybody's yes guys.
It's just like, ed, yes, if you make it your mission to take care of people, then it's,
it's going to feel like we're saying, you know, over the top, fantastic things about
you correct.
Because that's what you deserve for taking care of people.
Absolutely.
Good job, Fernando really appreciate you.
And I want to thank Fernando for making actually a dream of yours come true.
Oh yeah.
Because what you've wanted is to have somebody send product for review.
Oh my gosh.
So here it is.
I mean, I'm just saying that's so check it off the bucket.
The box man.
Yeah.
Check it off the bucket list.
This is amazing.
Yes.
I, I, I personally do plan on buying a pod, sorry, a Mike hero DSP.
Yeah.
It won't necessarily be mine, but technically it would complete the set.
Yeah.
Uh, Garrett is wanting to get into a Twitch streaming and gaming.
So a Mike hero DSP with a simple microphone, it sets him right up and he's often, he's
often running.
He doesn't have to, doesn't have to do really anything on the back end of that.
That's no, no, we could get him something even like a little, um, a road pod Mike.
Yeah.
And he, he, he's going, you can probably find those for even cheaper than a hundred dollars
now.
I don't doubt it.
Um, especially with the USB model.
Oh gosh, Fernando.
Um, this is fantastic.
Uh, we got a, we got a boost.
We do.
We have a boost.
You're never going to believe who this is from.
Yes, definitely not.
Cause I don't want to like, what did you catch?
What I called this segment on the previous show?
No.
Oh, come on man.
Don't you?
I do, but like I didn't notice what it was.
It's the Jason court segment.
It is the Jason.
No, I didn't notice that.
You gotta read the chapter note.
Well, I'm sorry, not the chapter note.
She's got to look at the chapters.
Yeah.
I, I, yeah, I will, I will tell you, I missed that.
And bonus or anybody out there listening certain chapters, you can actually click on and it
will take you to a page.
No, yeah, no, I have noticed that.
Do that specifically for the beer.
Very handy for finding the beer.
Yes, absolutely.
So from Jason, let me confirm.
Cheers.
Yeah.
Cheers.
So this is a hundred and 21.
It looks like that looks right.
And 21 sets.
And the comment is for the 1.21 gigawatts or is it gigawatts?
Oh, it's gigawatts.
It's gigawatts all the way.
One point 21.
Yeah.
So, um, last week's or the last episode, I think qualifies as a comedy show.
I mean, I was laughing through most of it with the gigabits and the jigger hurts the
jigger bits and the jigger hurts still make me like, yeah, there's not a lot of things
that are just going to make me smile involuntarily every time, but that's, that's one of them.
I just, it's, it's nostalgia.
It's well-placed.
Good job.
Yes.
Five stars.
Very big fan.
But Jason, honestly, I got to tell you what I was hoping you were going to comment on
with your, um, uh, boost was, uh, whether or not your wife can etch these glasses for
us.
We did talk about that.
Okay.
I did send him two different images.
I need to follow up and see where they may be on that.
If this is possible.
If it's possible.
The thing is, um, I have done my own YouTube video research.
Have you?
Of course I don't have a cricket.
Yeah.
Right.
The cricket is like, it's no gosh.
No.
Although Michelle used to have one.
I feel like it's one of those things that you just find somebody whose wife is a, uh,
you know, crafty and whatever.
Can you cut me?
I just need you to cut this out for me.
Yes.
So saw how it's done.
Two of them.
Not bad.
I mean, it seems like something that you could do for sure, but also, that's somebody who
does it all the time.
Right.
So anyway, big fan.
Absolutely.
So just thanks Jason.
Appreciate you.
Thank you, Jason.
Oh, guess what literally just happened during the show recording.
What?
We had over 8,000 total downloads.
Wow.
We were four short before the show.
We're now at 801.
Wow.
Now obviously to Joe Rogan, that's chump change.
Right.
No, well, that's not, I don't, we don't need that comparison.
But to have 800 total, that's amazing.
We're super grateful.
Closing in on a thousand.
And it looks like those were all for the previous show, unified wireless with the Trappist delight.
So I try to have fun with those names.
I mean, they're pretty great.
I'm, I'm, I'm a fan every time and I'm surprised by it as much as y'all.
I try to have fun with those chapter names as well.
Yeah.
So very cool.
Hey, thank you again for, uh, to Fernando for making a great product and giving us something
to talk about.
Yes.
And for sending us this, uh, little guy to, um, play with.
Yep.
Um, and then, I mean, just knocking it out of the park anyway.
Uh, Chris, probably the last one for the year.
No, it is the last one for the, it is the last one for the year.
But here's something I'm willing to commit to in the, in the break here.
I will do a recording with the pod mobile and with the mic hero, with the various settings
so people can hear it.
What the difference is here.
Here are the differences.
Now it's only going to be me.
So it's not going to be quite as fun.
Oh, whatever.
But, but I will, I will, I will do that.
Get it out there.
It's kind of the, the gap show, if you will.
And then we will be back in the new year with more shows.
Ready to go.
So Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas.
Happy New Year.
Happy Hanukkah to those of you out there.
If you're listening, happy Hanukkah.
So happy Kwanzaa.
It has in terms of podcasting, it's been a good year for us.
Yeah.
A lot of things happening, but also good year.
So thanks for sticking with it, Brad.
Yep.
Absolutely.
Appreciate you.
You too, man.
See you everybody.
Happy Hanukkah.
It's pretty good stuff.