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Hey Chris.
Hey Jonah.
How you doing man?
Doing good man, doing good.
Good to be back for a show.
Yeah.
Had to take a little break with an unexpected trip for you.
Yes.
How'd that go?
Overall went good.
Didn't get the projects done that I had intended due to...
Projects that you didn't intend?
Well no, stuff not arriving.
Oh man.
Shipping.
So you do the...
Shipping.
So you do the...
Shipping.
So you do the...
Shipping.
So you do the...
Shipping.
So you do the...
Shipping.
So you do the...
Shipping.
So you do the...
Shipping.
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Shipping.
So you do the...
Shipping.
Yeah.
You do the about face, but still got some good projects done.
I can now tell you every single breaker in every building in Central Texas that would
turn my equipment off and on.
Really need to know that.
Yes, very important.
Really need to...
It's not...
I would say like it's important for you to know that, but it's also like you may want
to just put like a little note on each of those.
Like don't touch this without calling Chris Kincaid.
Yes.
I'm sending him a copy of Chad's project.
I'm sending him a copy so he can go back around.
Nice.
And get some proper labeling.
So we got that knocked out and then we did some badly needed cleanup in the server room
and then knocked out the DNS box.
Nice.
So still great projects, just not the endpoint cleanup I intended.
Well, I mean...
I'll take it though.
You'll take it though.
And in the middle of that you had to do some socializing.
Yes.
There is a lot of socializing.
Yes.
Especially getting up front and talking to everybody, which...
That's like your favorite thing, man.
Oh, let me tell you, it gives me so much energy.
You are all the way on the extrovert scale.
You better believe it.
As so many IT professionals are out there.
Exactly.
We're really just here to talk, folks.
Yes.
Talk shop.
Well, I mean, we can talk here to each other.
True.
It's just...
There'd not be anybody else in the room.
It's fine.
What was that shirt that was popular there for a little...
The Extroverts of the World Unite in your own places.
Introverts of the World Unite.
Introverts, yes.
Separately in your own space.
Yes.
All right, you brought the beer.
You get to tell us what we're drinking.
Okay.
So we've got three different choices.
Let me grab it.
All right, so we do have a bottle option as always.
Real ale.
Okay.
Remember last time it was the Commissar.
Yeah.
So this is...
They should not be judged on that one.
Correct.
Because I've had some real ale that was really good.
They're from like Fort Worth, right?
Yes.
Or something like that.
So I have hopes for this.
Okay.
Because this says, Trappist inspired.
Okay.
I know that they got my attention.
Okay, okay.
Yeah.
We're in.
We're talking now.
They need to understand the bar is set.
It is Trappist inspired though.
These people are not supporting their ministry.
No, they're not.
They're not.
They're beer.
So, but it's a quadruple.
So called the Black Quad.
Okay.
That's the only one in a bottle.
And then these other two are in cans.
Careful.
Made it.
All right.
So yeah, these other two are from local EETX Brewing.
The Dunkle.
Awesome.
I've had the Dunkle.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
Fail safe.
And then their Mexican Lager.
Okay.
I haven't had that yet.
I haven't yet.
I had a Mexican Lager in Athens, Georgia.
So I have hopes.
Okay.
That this is going to be good because that one in Athens was really good.
Okay.
Well, we got to try the Trappist.
I'm going to.
And there is a bonus.
Black Quad.
Oh man.
Look at that monk on the front.
Yeah.
Looks good.
What's the bonus?
The bonus is we have pretzels.
We've been missing that the whole time.
Oh, yes.
That's the good stuff.
Just going to set some of these in front of my computer here.
This is quite a smorgasbord.
Thank you, Chris.
Okay.
Very nice.
Oh, that smells good.
It does.
Midland.
Why does it say Midland?
Midland?
I didn't think they were Midland.
I didn't think so either.
But look at the cap.
Does your say Midland or does it say something else?
Underneath the cap.
Under the cap.
Mine says Bastrop.
Maybe they're just all towns in different places.
Yeah.
All right.
So can't forget the blurb.
Working in the hill country from a foundation of time-honored brewing tradition, real ill
believes minimal processing produces maximum flavor.
There's a government warning on this, Chris.
Well, that's what makes it more fun.
Yeah.
This says a Trappist-inspired ale.
Join us in paying tribute to the monastic brewing tradition.
Subtly sweet with a delicious dark complexity.
He hadn't had the berry yet, folks.
The pretzels are drying out my mouth.
Okay.
Cheers.
That is very nice.
Hold on.
Is that like apple?
Do you taste apple?
There's something fruity there.
I don't know what that is.
Not in a bad way.
No, it's not.
And it's not overpowering.
That's very nice.
So this dark, you can tell that it's dark, but it's like, I wouldn't mind drinking that
on them.
When I saw your face over there, I was preparing myself for the last minute bitter hit.
That last minute bitter hit is scary to us now.
We are definitely bracing for it every time, but no bitter hit on this one.
I feel like I apologize if you hear all the crunchy through the mic.
I mean, I'd be sorry, but it just tastes too good to be sorry.
Okay.
So we have a show that I'm a little bit nervous about.
So we have a fallback show in case this one goes off the rails.
This one goes off the rails or we just realize we have no idea.
I'm going to admit we've been trying to put this show together for a while.
And as I've been trying to do the research, I'm realizing just how little I know about
radio frequencies.
Sound waves have always been curious to me because I feel like sound waves function differently
than expected in a lot of circumstances.
You have really high frequency, high amplitude, low frequency, low amplitude, all these different
like words that describe waves and all of that.
And when you're talking about sound, I think it's normal to picture almost like ripples
in a pond or something like that, sound being created and then kind of going out in a bunch
of different directions from that.
But sound also operates, I don't know how to say that, like in a way that like a water
wave wouldn't.
The fact that you can hear sounds through objects and in spite of the blocking of objects.
Now there's some of that that has to do with the size of the wave.
Is it a wave or is it a particle?
I don't know, man.
They're bouncing into each other and also washing across.
Anyway, it's a bunch.
But as little time as I feel like I've even been able to spend with sound waves, I've
spent even less time with radio waves.
And so there's some of this that I'm just kind of figuring out for myself.
The reason this has come to mind is Sennheiser kind of hit the audio world or at least the
audio engineer world with a big old bombshell that I've got labeled here on our notes as
the Sennheiser bombshell, Spectera.
Now Spectera from the outside of it looks like a 1U audio rack, like a audio processor
could be a transmitter, could be a receiver, could just be one of those 1U rack mixers
now that they have.
Turns out it's a little bit of all three and maybe a little bit more.
The big thing that it is bringing to the table that there's a few here, so we're going to
get to it.
But the big thing that just kind of broke everybody the first time it came out or it
was released is what it is, is that this is a bi-directional box.
So this isn't just a transmitter and this isn't just a receiver, it's 32 in and 32
out wireless.
Now there's going to be a lot of things inside of this that's like, well of course it's that
because it has to be that in order to be this thing.
But the idea that you could have a single box do all of your, not just wireless microphones
but all of your wireless in-ear monitors as well is like, it's a big deal.
It's a big deal.
We haven't seen one of these in action, I haven't seen one of these in action, I haven't
gotten to play with one of these.
There's a few things that we'll talk about at the end of this little section that I think
are things that we need to be watching for.
But Sennheiser has come out with a big old like innovation here and I mean we just got
to give them props for it.
So the big like obvious thing is inside of this you've got a 1U rackable box, right?
You don't take up much space, you're not talking about, you know, they're there for a while
it was very common to have two like you would have a wireless transmitter, we'll just talk
about transmitters first, a wireless transmitter and it's about half a U, like it's a full
U but it's like half a rack space and then you would attach that to another one and so
in each 1U of rack space you could have two transmitters and then you just stack them
on top of each other.
Now the other part of that that's necessary then is for every about four of those that
you put together you need to put an antenna, that's not a combiner, that's a, oh my gosh,
what's the other name for that?
I thought that was receivers, is it a combiner for the antenna for receivers too or for transmitters
too?
I'm sorry, I've been doing so much research here over the last few hours that my brain's
a little bit muddled but you also have the box that is then bringing all the transmitter
antennas together into one and then you can just use two actually.
And I would still consider that a combiner.
Yeah like that's so that's been really handy but it does require that you have three U's
of space and that still only gets you four transmitters.
Correct.
Okay so then you know I think SURE is the first one that I saw do it, I actually haven't
researched because we use the SURE one here at the church.
There's a SURE 1U transmitter, or sorry, receiver.
There's a SURE 1U receiver that has four different receivers on it and so you could get multiples
of those and then combine them, the antennas for them and then you've got two antennas
servicing I think it's like 16.
So that by itself was like wow this is amazing.
Absolutely.
You still would need, I think it's to daisy chain because you would daisy chain four of
them together that's 16.
You still would need five U's of space.
Correct.
So this is not only talking about being able to do all of that in one but it's taking all
of that and putting into 1U and then taking the other however many U's of space that you
would use for your in-ear monitors and putting that all into the 1U.
And then there is the ability, I'll talk about this in a second, there is the ability to
run it over four antennas just to have redundancy when you're using, when you're talking about
this wide band stuff I feel like you want as much redundancy in a bunch of these areas
as you can have but even with four antennas externally on the outside of this thing you're
talking about 1U of space.
Correct.
And to your point on the monitor depending on if you're mixing it for everybody or if
you're giving them their ability to mix then you would introduce another U to hit those
personal mixers on the stage.
Yeah, unless you do, which is now really popular as well, mixing from a smart device over actually
using your board's Wi-Fi controllability in order to mix that way in which case you don't
even need that extra U, you just, I mean, it gets a little bit bonkers.
You just need some extra RF in there in the form of Wi-Fi.
Yeah see and that's the thing is like, I think my initial, like my initial insight of this
and what made us want to start doing a lot of research before we even really talked about
it much on the show is like there's some fears involved with this and we're going to get
to that in a minute.
But not only do you have the 1U that's doing all of that, you also have one body pack on
each and I'm going to call them a performer because that's the best way to describe what
this is.
So a person can have one body pack that has both the output which is either their, you
know, microphone on their face or the, you know, input into their instrument or whatever
that looks like.
Now this isn't really going to work or we haven't seen any offering from Sennheiser
in any of this that would indicate that they would be able to do like a handheld with this
setup and that makes sense.
Like you don't really want your in-ear headphones plugged into a microphone that you're holding
in your hand.
That would look a little strange.
But I don't know if they're going to figure out something that works for that situation
or for somebody who maybe is playing an instrument and doing something else but let's not get
greedy here.
We're talking about a very important distinction and one of the things that didn't even, I
feel like this would be a little bit overkill given that there are better options and you're
not worried about how you look in this situation but this could also easily be used in a like
AV team situation where you have a boom mic on you and you have a boom mic on your face
and you have a set of nice in-ears in your ear and as a technician at a live event you
are able to not only talk to your whole team but you're also able to listen to the whole
team inside of that.
And it'd be pretty low key in terms of what it looks like you're carrying anyway.
But the single body pack also has both of those things included in it so the body packs
are transmitters and receivers.
Now you may automatically be starting to think about battery life but I don't want you to
go there quite yet because we've got to get to some of the other heavy hitters inside
of this.
So that's a bi-directional part.
It boasts that it has 11 audio link modes which you'll see in the show notes I'm like
I don't it drives me crazy when new technology tries to like find the way to like say something
simple but like when they release it with these bullet points of like talking points
it's like I have no idea what an audio link module or audio link mode is.
Best I can tell and I think this is correct so don't whatever.
They call these audio link module or modes they say that they control it is the control
of audio quality latency channel count and operating range.
The best I can guess or understand inside of it is that there's so much flexibility
inside of this design.
There's also because of the flexibility there are restraints on different things.
So if you want you know a higher channel count you may have to decrease some other options.
If you want higher quality like audio quality you may have to come down on channel count
or operating range or something like that.
In order to make the system work the best for what you actually need there are a lot
of like levers to push and pull and so they've got basically 11 modes which are just presets
for that larger configuration of the box to kind of help you out.
Now I don't know if that's something that you start with and then you can tweak or if
the 11 modes are very like this is all that it is.
Now one of those would be very Apple and the other one would be very Windows.
So correct I'm gonna let you guess which one Chris hopes that it is.
I okay I won't say it out loud.
Really?
If you want him to guess I won't say it out loud.
Okay that's fine.
Anyway so that's that that's the 11 audio link modes.
I feel like that's a pretty good understanding and also gives us a better understanding of
the box itself in that with all of this capability there's gonna be some like oh you're gonna
like you you need to be aware of this when you're doing this.
Yeah there's gonna be trade-offs I mean you can't just have all the things be exceptional.
You've got if you want to your point if you want something to sound better you've got
to give something up.
Yeah can't have the what's the what's the trifecta there the quality speed and affordability
mm-hmm always always always in AV and IT there's always a trade-off between those three things.
Unless you have bottomless pockets.
Well that's the that's the affordability like it doesn't mean that you can't afford it it
just means that if you want quality and you want it fast you're gonna pay for it.
Not all three of those sliders can be down at the same time.
Okay so real quick because this is I didn't actually put this in the notes but I should
have before we move on past this I do want to like we've talked a little bit about like
we talked about the like the I think they call it the base station or something like
that.
Yes.
The body pack and the antenna we've talked about all of those things of course those
are parts of this system that they had to come out with they made they made a broadband
antenna because that's not what we've had before and we'll talk about that as well in
a second.
They had the stationary device which is the rack mounted like one you piece of gear looks
similar to what we've seen before but is not in really any way and then the combined body
pack all of those three at least have some semblance of what we've seen both in transmitters
and receivers in the past but they also in order to do all of this and again I'm talking
about this right after I talk about the audio link modes on purpose because the other part
that they had to do was create a system or a way to control it and if you know one new
devices you know on device control of that one new device is like the worst thing in
the world so they made a software called link desk link desk is a software runs on both
Mac and PC and it is how you are controlling not only the modes but making sure that your
frequencies are picked well that you that you have your wireless it's funny like that
you have your wireless connection to your wireless connectors and then just all the
other like levers that you can push and pull on this thing oh I think I said link deck
link I think it's link desk yep sorry about that they do have one funny thing on the page
okay in particular because we're talking about software yeah if you scroll down past features
in the little video mm-hmm and I'm gonna make a movie reference here because of what their
wording says and there's a section called right under the video uh-huh there's a section
in there called what's in the box why would there be a box for software you're gonna download
it it's the installer for Windows and the installer for Mac that's funny there's no
box there's no box I mean you can call your computer a box I guess so anyway what's in
the box yeah what's in the box good job yeah I like it so the link link desk software pretty
cool it says that you get an intuitive workflow I mean we'll be the judge of that I anytime
somebody says that I'm like okay for your for your engineer correct well that doesn't
make sense to anybody else mm-hmm but so intuitive workflow you have remote control which I mean
it's just yep monitoring and monitoring capabilities so when they say that I don't know if they
mean levels on the like being able to see the levels on your computer for each one or
if they're talking about actually being able to hear now I would imagine that if they're
talking about actually being able to hear what the artist can like if you can choose
on site and if you can plug it into your headphones because you wouldn't want to do this over
your computer speakers that's not gonna help you at all but if you can plug into your headphones
on your computer if you can you know run through your MUDAC or whatever you know converter
you have to be able to have the highest quality option of this if you can then listen to what
your artist is listening to or listen to the the raw signal from each input I feel like
that's a that's a big step there's no way that they're doing that without latency I
would agree I mean it may not be huge but they're not they're talking about they're
talking about the latency being so low in this being point seven I don't I don't think
you're getting point seven if you're if you're listening to to the audio through a computer
that's remotely connected to the to the one you box but you also have visibility on the
I am volume so you can see how loud each person has you see the latency that they're dealing
with you see the audio level and settings RF health which is we'll get to that in a
minute battery status and more so there's some there's some pretty cool stuff that they're
doing here and they've also got some automation inside of it that they're again we'll see
like everybody everybody's making these premix like EQ for dummies setups and stuff like
that and there's some of that that I'm like okay I can understand how a computer like
I I very much understand how a computer can tell you whether or not the gain is too high
like that that seems like you just say if the level hits here the gain is too high I
want you to adjust it and I want you to do it on a in a very dynamic way so I I don't
I don't have any problem trusting a computer to do that but trusting EQ is a different
thing and it seems like it would just be probably setting presets on EQs more than anything
else sure I can see where they could have a preset for somebody that has a really deep
bassy voice I can come across muddy yeah put the high pass filter yeah on that or I mean
somebody who's got some real simple symbol symbolence right sybilence sybilence I always
get them wrong yeah that it could know hey I need to make an adjustment for that mm-hmm
beyond that yeah you're gonna get into things where the presets may not be what you want
to okay so in in in a lot of other transmitters and I think receivers or sorry in a lot of
other receivers and I think transmitters especially the high-end ones we've had before the ability
to do spectrum analysis obviously for a while you can do like and this is simple in most
situations like you just see the scan button on your device and it would do a scan and
see if anything's you know super loud and by loud I mean high amplitude on any given
range of in the spectrum but this also has that but you got to remember like one of the
like huge pluses to this is that both your transmitters and your receiver both your transmitters
and your receivers are being controlled in both directions by the same device so not
only are you not having to worry about buying the same you know wireless band for your all
of your receivers or transmitters but you're also not having to worry about what that then
affects in terms of your your you know in-air monitor receivers and transmitters and it's
like this is huge to be to be controlled by the same thing to not have to have some sort
of go between between them or to you know have to run you know a big fancy big fancy
they're never big but the the really fancy scanners that you can that you can buy for
wireless analysis that's even better than the ones that are equipped in the devices
like that I mean it's a big deal to not have to do that part of what it is they had to
come up again with another acronym for their new technology that they're calling W mass
will mass yep insert joke here insert joke here but it seems to be wireless multi-channel
audio and then all I've ever seen next to that is technology so we've got technology
on our notes here but anyway more and more more jokes I guess I didn't want well Matt
I guess I don't know but they were trying to bring in the ass at least for Sennheiser
audio in highs audio technology signal audio something yeah and so when mass be careful
there it is is a single wide band RF carrier so this is where you start like breaking your
brain a little bit if you're not already a an RF guy correct so do you want to talk
a little bit about wide band and narrow band do you know not in this regard I don't okay
so we mean not in this regard for wireless speaker or not speakers wireless microphone
yeah no I know what wide band is obviously for internet okay so talk to me about that
because it's probably the same thing wide band is now actually kind of technically dictated
by the FCC they determine the minimum rate that is qualified as wide band used to be
the same as broadband yes so it used to be even if you go back far enough I mean it was
not much more than a dial-up modem was considered wide band I feel like in the most recent change
that they made it's in the 250 to 300 megabit is now what they're qualifying is is a wide
band broadband so some a lot of us are no longer qualify for that wide band if I had
to take a stab at this just has to do maybe it's similar to the concept of Wi-Fi where
they're taking channels that are next to each other and literally treating them as one larger
channel for more more bandwidth more throughput that would be my guess at what they're trying
to what they're doing here without having more to read okay so from what I can understand
you know you have the UHF which is the ultra high frequency correct you have in the weird
owl movie sorry my brain was trying to process something else and then that hit me I was
like oh my gosh okay and then so UHF and VHF I think are the ones very high and ultra high
yeah very high and ultra ultra high are lower frequency signals or lower bands than this
level right the best or not the best the the like phrase that keeps coming or not phrase
the the descriptor that keeps being used for this next level is called 1g4 makes perfect
sense like when you said 1g h like 1 gigahertz I was like oh that would make sense maybe
that's just a typo no 1g4 is what they're calling it this feels a lot like when Apple
decided that like 3 and 3g and whatever was not going to refer to the band that it was
on but instead was going to refer to the phone correct no you can't what is going on so then
you get a you know year where you got to jump to 10 even though you're actually at 8 yep
all kinds of stuff going on there in my brain but so this one this 1g4 is like okay so the
this device can use UHF or and I think probably and from some of the things that I'm reading
UHF and or 1g4 UHF is in the 470 to 608 megahertz range or the 630 to 698 megahertz range is
that right I believe so yes and again this is all classified by not classified but like
dictated by the FCC 1g4 is like 1350 to 1400 or 1435 to 1525 yeah and so to me again that's
the 1gigahertz range yeah even though they're saying 1g4 right and that's what I'm saying
like I'm not really sure exactly this feels bleeding edge to me in so many ways like I
don't know how much of this is what they're calling it and it's not actually going to
be called that like we don't we don't have they needed another marketing term to go along
with this technology yeah what's the other one that didn't didn't make it the blu-ray
beat out HD DVD HD DVDs which HD DVDs made so much more sense in terms of what it was
being called anyway yeah but blu-ray was the superior product yeah and had the name is
what mattered just like beta max was better than VHS I mean there you go but that didn't
matter no okay so you've got this this range or these two ranges that this product can
use now this is where it gets a little bit hairy because I don't I don't fully understand
and we're gonna attach the to these show notes we're we are going to attach the spec sheets
that were on the bottom of that so it seems like you've got these up to 64 channels it's
32 and 32 out but 64 channels and that matters because you've got 64 different channels correct
you can't send on the same channel that you're receiving in this like it's different information
yes so you are not you're not sending you know 40 channels of audio you're you know
you're you're sending one channel of audio you're receiving from your body pack you're
receiving you know probably somewhere in the range of 40 channels all mixed together and
maybe then that's 80 channels because it's over two different anyway it's two channels
but you know what I mean it allows for up to two independent wideband RF channels in
UHF or 1g4 it keeps saying six to eight megahertz next to 1g4 I don't know what to do with that
like is that the width of the channel I mean that's what it would be again thinking in
terms of Wi-Fi yeah you've got a 20 megahertz channel a 40 megahertz and 80 megahertz of
160 no that's that's got to be exactly what it says because it talks about how you get
again this is part of that like configurability mess hold on let me find my notes real quick
you get this is down here a little bit where did I put that yeah you get 40 channel diversity
like you get 40 options at 8 megahertz you get 30 options at 6 megahertz doesn't that
seem like it's it would be reversed I would have expected the opposite yeah more megahertz
means more bandwidth in theory yeah so I don't know if that means because the the 8 megahertz
is bigger yes yeah think of it obviously think of it in terms of lanes yeah you can argue
that 8 megahertz is 8 lanes and 6 megahertz is 6 lanes so it would make sense or at least
if we're comparing it like we are to Wi-Fi that if you have more lanes than you have
less options so I don't know what's going on with the 40x maybe I just read that wrong
I don't think so though that's not like me at all sorry that was a joke okay vastly more
resistant to dropouts from RF fading than traditional narrowband systems via innovative
Sennheiser WMAS technology equal to 40 times diversity that's at the 8 megahertz and 30
times diversity at 6 megahertz so I wrote it down right okay but I'm not sure exactly
what they're talking about with that now I need more detail okay again like we're we're
just like this is right at the beginning of this it feels like I don't it's not even released
is it like hold on let me see if I can buy it you can you can pre-order it there you
go somebody may have one but we don't have one send us something in Sennheiser even if
it's just no more material I yeah more more material would be great I don't really know
that I want to mess with one of these because I'm afraid I would break it yeah and we'll
talk about that in a second oh I do want to put that information on there dadgummit okay
so there's there's a lot there there's there's no cross-frequency worry though and there's
no antenna like placement guessing involved because you're not trying to put these systems
next to each other it's one system and the the device itself is doing the cross-frequency
worrying for you it's not gonna let you put something on a frequency that's you know being
interfered with with its own stuff maybe I'm an idiot but it still feels like antenna placement
is still important antenna placement is still important but it's not important it's not
as important like that you keep the antennas away from another set of antennas a nearby
you know neighbor that could cause an issue yeah okay you're supposed to keep even the
even the ones that are related like if you've got if you've got a Wi-Fi you don't or not
Wi-Fi if you've got a wireless system and you've got two external antennas you don't
want to put them right next to each other not only are you beating yourself over the
head because they're getting the exact same look at the body pack or whatever it is or
handheld or you know that's that's kind of a no-brainer there is the like okay it is
actually like the box is having to switch between these antennas and if they're too
similar to each other I mean how often is it switching you're gonna increase your probability
of some sort of drop inside of that or at least a signal degradation or it not knowing
which anyway all of that so yes but as long as you've got some distance to play with if
they're all coming from the same thing like there's very little worry in terms of antenna
placement in regards to that and they're all like I said controlled by that same box that
you can then look at in one window we've talked about the one window like magical feeling
with unify so many times before like that you've got that one window to look at all
of these things together link desk being the accompanying software component of the config
it's got some really important redundancies inside of this there's redundancy on power
which is really important and we'll talk more about power here in a second it's got signal
redundancy you not only have Dante you've got Maddie it's it's interesting to me I'm
not sure many people are going to actually run those side-by-side but maybe maybe if
you're using this type of system that's exactly what you're doing I don't know and then you've
got four antenna you're not probably going to be utilizing all four antenna at the same
like the system is not going to be doing that but the fact that you can plug for antenna
into this one you box just has got to be a peace of mind thing like I said it's got it's
boasting point seven milliseconds latency here the like things we got to look for inside
of this whenever it comes out really in mind thought process this is we've already gone
45 minutes this wide band in order to do wide band it's got to use more power there's a
couple of reasons for this but the biggest reason in my mind has to do with noise which
is the audio guys biggest competitor naturally the idea that we're using any equipment that
is powered or whatever means that there's always going to be a noise floor that we're
battling we want when you're listening to this podcast we want you to be able to hear
our voices and not hear you don't want to hear the room or whatever the thing is no
AC you just don't want that you don't want to you don't want to hear the wind across
the thing but you don't like them electronic noise is why good bass players are hard to
find man they they are terrible at finding their own noise but that noise floor because
you have a wider band that noise floor is closer to the level it is harder to closer
to the level that's not that's not a good way to put that because that has to do with
amplitude the the noise floor is harder to pull out of the signal using a filter true
and it's your you're going across more frequencies so it's harder to just dismiss the noise that's
not in that frequency so there's there's a few things that play here but what it means
is you always like you have to power that signal you have to put more power into that
signal to push it higher to then be able to compensate for the note noise floor and that
signal to noise ratio whenever it reaches is going to be distinguishable like that we
can see the signal over that like the signal amplitude over the noise amplitude yes and
again the distance that that's traveling also plays a part in it now wide band is supposed
to go further than narrow band okay I I I really wasn't expecting that either but in
researching it that's a thing interesting I would have thought wide band would be not
as far not as far thinking and I'm thinking I'm thinking in terms of ham radio yeah because
you hear about shortwave yeah going all the way around the world right and that just has
to do with the fact that as the frequency goes down it requires less power right to
push it yeah and so I would have thought the same thing here UHF would require less power
to go a given distance whereas 1 gigahertz or 1g4 requires more power to push that the
same distance yeah that's what I would have thought too in fact if you look at the difference
between UHF and VHF a lot of time they're going to reference the fact that if you are
using something outside with a clear line of sight then VHF is a better choice than
UHF because it will travel farther but what they're saying inside of this is that because
wide band is that bigger wave or whatever it it will actually go through more in order
to hit its target now if you've ever driven up next to somebody listening to rap music
in their car you know that where you may be able to hear a high-pitched noise from further
away if there is an obstacle between you and that thing it is actually more likely for
you to hear a rumble true than for you to hear the high pitch you're you're this true
this guy is obviously listening to music but all it sounds like from the outside is exactly
yeah so like there's this there's this like it goes further because there are always going
to be obstacles in the way I guess that's what they're saying I don't really know but
again this is this is one of those things now wide the wide band is really important
because the wide band is necessary to have the amount of data that's being that this
thing is trying to send that's that's happening inside of this really ridiculous piece of
equipment that we're talking about here yes we're going to include a lot of different
things on here but the biggest the biggest catch inside of this by far is the price for
most of us so that single base station costs ten thousand dollars now mic drop you may
be saying to yourself John it does not cost ten thousand dollars I would have been saying
self self maybe saying to yourself some really bad things crap that's the tame version yeah
ten it only costs nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine dollars you so why'd you
round it up because taxes I'm just saying I don't see how I mean again if tax on nine
thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars was one penny I would pay that tax yeah I
know for sure so what I'm saying is at least ten thousand true maybe if you get a discount
it'll be ten thousand it's not going to be nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars
though holy cow it is sixteen hundred dollars for one antenna you're going to need at least
two of those and then the body packs hold on I had this a second ago oh I don't want
the body pack so it the this body pack no that's right it's showing the body pack with
with a set of headphones and a microphone that's that's got to have some stuff on it
that says not included what's in the box yeah wait a minute what's in the box no I don't
you had it right the first time yeah no I'm trying to figure out if it actually does have
it I don't think so I wouldn't think so no no okay so the but the body pack which is
pictured with a set of headphones which look likes yeah those are Sennheiser I was like
are those sure because that would be hilarious it's got like a over ear microphone and set
of Sennheiser earbuds but that's listed at one thousand nine hundred ninety nine or yeah
one thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars and zero cents so two thousand dollars for
that that's just one of those did that at least include the battery probably not it
I guarantee that they will send you two double A batteries with it really oh yeah they're
gonna send you two double A batteries with it hmm so you get one shot at this that's
dirty yeah no you if you want the if you want the rechargeable batteries and the and the
charging station and everything like that rather they are going to charge you for that
that's true although on their page they do show that yeah it's a little portable to you
the base station on the top the wireless charging packs on the bottom looks really really nice
I'm telling you like they this is slick it is and if you like if you really think about
how many wireless transmitters and receivers you have to buy like if you if you look at
even if even if you just do even if you just like you just budget you know seven hundred
dollars per body pack or transmitter like that's still fourteen hundred dollars and
you're talking about two thousand dollars for this combined one it's not out of the
range and if you this is their highest end product if you're talking about the highest
end body packs and receivers or and transmitters you're you're well over a thousand dollars
for each of those well sure I mean anybody who's investing in this knows they're just
dropping a ton of cash yeah because you're getting again with that base station you're
getting thirty two in and thirty two out that's ridiculous there's stages that don't like
we don't you know they don't have that many inputs in them and correct holy cow so plenty
of stages that don't have that yeah so it I mean it really is quite a thing for ten
thousand dollars for one part of it again you're gonna spend way more than that but
I really do think like that that is like that sticker shock of that goes away when you realize
how much you're taking out of your system in order to put this thing in I'm not saying
it's cheap because it's not cheap the higher power consumption I wanted to talk a little
bit about because it is going to take a toll on your because we talked about more noise
signal which is the higher power consumption as well but the higher power consumption is
going to take a toll on your body packs because those are run by little bitty batteries and
where you may be used to getting a few sessions or whatever out of a battery you I doubt you're
going to get that now they have made like these rechargeable batteries and these packs
that they put in they have made considerable gains in that realm they're still not as I
don't think they're as strong as the you know fresh out of the pack double A's or something
like that but you just like it you you make that money back easily with recharging them
and they tend to last long enough to make them useful you know what I mean yeah so that's
side of it is is great and it also makes sense why the power redundancy is extra important
on the almost said link desk that's not what I meant the base station whatever they're
calling it side yeah and that's not because like a normal system wouldn't go down if you
had a you know a spike or a drop in power but if you're just seeing like browning that's
happening or something like that that would be pretty horrendous for this absolutely machine
and it seems like there's there's some thought put into like oh we need to make sure that
the power is right yeah so there's there's all kinds of stuff involved in this and I
think that they've really done their due diligence this immediately made me think of something
that I saw I have 64 audio nice I had to interrupt what is that this is the Mexican logger okay
so we get to see what the Mexican logger is like well I do you get to see what the Mexican
I I get to see on your face what the Mexican logger could be so real quick yeah Mexican
style logger this Mexican style logger is a bright and refreshing pilsner and with flaked
maze the base ingredients impart a neutral sweet note up front with a very dry flavor
in the finish this brew is easy drinking and very well balanced you will surely find yourself
asking for uno mas uh-huh I see what they did there okay okay it's uh it's a lot lighter
than I prefer but let's see what we're looking at yeah I'm looking at that and I'm like oh
did I just open up a can of water yeah this black quad is very dark oh yes it is and that's
that's my cup of tea so here we go cheers cheers oh I'm giving you the face hold on
contemplating oh no no no the nose curled there's something there what is that it's
beer Chris what are you talking about I'm trying to express yourself there's something
in the flavor I mean use your words that's the problem I can't find the word I'm a simpleton
I have few words I'm a simpleton and it's the end of the day I've used up almost all
my words yeah I know I get that I don't know what it is okay you think about it for a little
while I'm going to talk about this 64 audio thing go ahead so I have 64 audio is a um
in-ear monitor maker manufacturer thank you and 64 audio is who did the I've had two different
sets of their custom in-ear molds because I mean they're just I think that they're fantastic
I don't I don't think that I've ever experienced something quite as good as being able to hear
audio with custom in-ear molds it's a different level if you're a professional audio person
of any kind I would suggest if you're an audiophile and have money to burn I would suggest it
the reason I suggested for professionals is like this is a tool that you use every single
day like you should have a nice one I just think that that's the case so when I was on
their site one time I looked at the accessories and I was looking at I was trying to figure
out if they had a longer cable for the monitors that I had and they did but as I was there
I also noticed that they had this thing and I was like what is that and it sure is a TRRS
tool that doesn't just have like the microphone built into the cable they have that so you
can use it with your phone to take your phone calls okay but this one has a boom mic coming
out of the attachment to the headphones so on one of your ears you would have a boom
mic then coming down and I was like where the crap are you gonna use that because like
are you serious that's that's what you need for a telephone call but oh Siri just thought
I was talking to her that's fun what an idiot stop it Siri yeah okay it didn't come up that
time so I was like that's a lot of mic for a phone call so I was thinking okay maybe
maybe it's like a talkback situation like we talked about with being able to do with
this new specterra system y'all are about to get a verdict and it's not looking good
for the old Mexican lager over there but I was like okay so maybe they're thinking like
a talkback situation like if they're if if you have a you know I don't know what all
the connectors look like for talkback like your I say talk back you like your comm systems
for your team but if you had if you had one that could accept a TRRS situation then this
would be really cool because you could have your like super high quality in-ear monitors
and you could have this super high quality microphone it looks like and it's just plugging
in over a normal you know eighth inch headphone jack but I was like what if they saw this
coming what if this was the like you know they did this right before and specterra did
this because if you ask me like there's the only problem with having the body pack attached
to or your body pack for your in-ear monitors attached to your body pack or being the same
body pack for your over-the-ear microphone is that you don't want both of those things
on your ear at the same time but if you had one solution for that that they were actually
going through the same cable now the reason that I don't think that's actually what happened
here is number one timing number two the cable that they came out with does not have two
different ends on it it's got it has a TRRS not a TRS and a another TS is that this picture
here that you've got yeah that's what that is that's the 64 audio I don't know headworn
microphone cable for their in-ear monitors okay but part of that is not this boom mic
that you're referring to what do you mean I mean just looking at this I mean none of
this it doesn't have the earphones attached oh wait wait wait so those connectors that
go into the headphones that long swoop is the boom mic that's the microphone yeah that
looks like the talkback mic on a digital board talkback mic on our digital or maybe not talkback
but what did they call it it looks like a countryman to me that looks like a lot more
than a countryman it's thicker but it's not that much thicker what do you I can't think
of the name of this stupid thing on the board where you could actually use the producer
could speak in and everybody can hear you yes no that is a talkback mic okay there you
go yes it's that that looks like a very flex I almost said lavalier that's not what it
is like a pulpit mic yeah yeah exactly there's a name for those and I'm blanking but it is
like that I give you that but it is smaller than that I promise okay so the scale just
doesn't yeah make it fair okay because what plugs into those double prongs on the ends
are little headphones about the size of a quarter in okay fair circumference or whatever
not so yeah sure why not circumference but it sure had me going that was funny I had
to give sure a shout out because we use sure more than we use Sennheiser so I was like
what what are they doing yeah you know you see something like Sony comes out with this
amazing full-frame camera and you're like Canon what's up and they're like just give
us ten years and we'll get there so sure sure enough has not done anything in this area
what they've been spending their time on is doubling down on the axiant line which is
their higher quality digital offering and making sure that they are doing you know well
that's five years man exactly like let's not call these the same thing not the same thing
they're definitely still in the where they've been which is great like I don't I don't like
number one even with this huge leap that Sennheiser is making number one we have not seen it succeed
no on a consistent basis so I don't want to pretend like hey let's all jump in on this
like we got to see what this actually is but we're sure seems to be doing that stuff right
now is the axiant line they came out with a copycat of the road and DJI small microphone
like dual microphone with a single receiver yeah system which they call their move mic
yeah and then a lot of their innovation it seems like we're sure right now seems to be
very focused on small room conference room setup so small room meaning like meaning like
classroom and then conference room meaning like multiple people talking on a single call
or something like that and I think that this is like this is a fantastic use of sure's
innovation because between the microflex wireless and the next system which is what they're
calling that other thing they they they seem to be aware that so much like one of the things
that I hate about our system that we have right here just trying to record ourselves
is how many wires are going across the table they're like wireless microphones are important
for people even though we're not really necessarily worried about amplification we're worried
about transmission and we're worried about recording and so you want high quality stuff
that's not necessarily worried about like the big venue it's worried about the or not
worried about but concerned with the big venue it's more concerned with the small venue it's
more concerned with the daily what I would call daily use but you know what I mean it's
not necessarily daily use but like in a classroom it sure is they're going for the big
bigger piece of the market yes Sennheiser is their their option is hitting very specific
customers yeah and I would say Sennheiser also did come out with their what do they
call it profile wireless two-channel microphone system everybody's got one of these now I
still like DJI's Rhodes is great don't get me wrong but like I don't know if it's just
the like form factor of the DJI it's just anyway how Rhodes connects with their other
offerings is by far the but it's an ecosystem thing anyway but the you can check out the
micro flex and the next systems I think both of those are really good I think it's good
eyes towards how much focus right now is on content recording or content creation or like
the classroom the classroom to me is everything the fact that the fact that we still like
we want to feel like every time I'm in a meeting that we've got to bring somebody in remotely
to I'm always so dissatisfied with that there's no like there's you never have what you need
for that setup they never have what they need for that setup you never have on your end
what you need for that setup and the fact that they're like no like conference rooms
we should be able to do this well and so they really put some thought into that and I think
that those are great offerings it's just not quite the innovation that we're seeing from
Sennheiser in this ridiculous thing that they've just come out with which has taken up this
entire show that's okay I don't I don't think that we completely lost our reputability in
this but like I please like when you when you find out things that we said that were
not quite right or something be merciful there's a lot here that we're trying to figure out
and again like I said I'm not a I wish I was a ham radio operator I wish I knew more about
wireless or RF you know transmissions and stuff like that yep I feel like I'm gonna
have to learn it yeah well I applaud you for picking a show that allowed me to essentially
fill my belly full of pretzels and fill in the gaps with the beer bro I'm not done with
my like I'm not even halfway done with my beer I've been talking this entire time exactly
I'm just kind of sat back and chilled and just in the sidekick well thanks sidekick
appreciate you you got anything to add it's an amazing product I would really love to
see Sennheiser put more information out yeah about how they're truly handling the wireless
aspect of this product yeah I'm hopeful that they will once the product goes officially
on sale mm-hmm I think it'd be certainly worth revisiting the wireless aspect of this
mm-hmm to know what they're doing and especially this oddity of eight megahertz gives you more
channels if you will if I'm understanding it correctly then six yeah doesn't add up
right I don't know if that's if that has more to do with like the the the bigger like eight
megahertz is definitely bigger so maybe it's talking about like the the span of the wave
being 40 times instead of 30 times I don't know yeah I really want them to release some
really in-depth information on the wireless aspect of this product yeah but that that
1g4 is an interesting they need a better name what doesn't need a better I mean the the
fact that like it that's that's the advantage there to being the first end of something
is that you get to name it and it gets to be that name for a little while at least everybody
wants to be the Kleenex of their their product you mean the facial tissue no Kleenex the
Kleenex you're right this is a Xerox question yes exactly um appreciate you enjoyed it man
I'm gonna drink this beer now no that's good that's good it's probably a little warm though
there you go again I apologized for the it's been nice noises in this episode it's been
it's been fun for me I guess we'll call this the whole time we'll call this the ASMR episode
there you go there you go folks yep no booster grams I mean Jason is slacking yeah I know
Michael still we just bled him dry we may have you we may have depleted his wallet
Michael still listening hey Michael comes up in periodic conversations you can find
us on Facebook now yes yeah we have some social presence tell the people what we have we have
Facebook we have X we do not have Instagram no they're being jerks I don't really understand
what happened there but every time I try to it's like no so they're not taking new requests
at this point we have to let it die what 60 days I don't know potentially try it try again
I was really aggravated by that like I'm on Facebook you're the same company just let
me do this exactly do we have any official social media posts for people for people like
me that don't do social media you mean like to us or from us all the above I guess they
are no we we we have said this is us we have not I do know that my wife she did follow
us she followed us on Facebook so I'm surprised that we just haven't blown up completely yeah
it shows that we're on we have a post that says that we're on X there are no folks so
and then it says to also check us out on your favorite podcasting 2.0 app oh well played
sir well played I'm just saying podcasting 2.0 is the way to go gotta be consistent with
our messaging well the fountain listeners out there are number one most used podcasting
app for the show there you go I do appreciate that I go fountain yes so yeah no no boost
so nothing to talk about there yeah we only have one follower and it's your wife hey that's
okay now you get to go home and tell your wife say like you know his wife is following
the show on Facebook Michelle is you know a real fan must be nice to have a wife who's
a fan I wouldn't say it that way not much you want to be on the couch anyway all right
so excellent show I enjoyed sitting here again like I said just stuffing my face with pretzels
and beer not too bad not a bad way to spend a Thursday night nope thanks brother enjoyed
it man appreciate it see you everybody bye.
Thank you for the Dodges and the Toyotas thank you for the Fords and most of all we thank
you for Rauch and Yates partnering to give us the power that we see before us tonight
thank you for GM Performance Technology and the RO7 engines thank you for Sunoco Racing
Fuel and Goodyear tires that bring performance and power to the track Lord I want to thank
you for my smoking hot wife tonight Lisa my two children Eli and Emma as we like to call
them the little leaves Lord I pray you bless the drivers and use them tonight may they
put on a performance worthy of this great track in Jesus name boogity boogity boogity
amen.