1 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,480 Hey Chris, how you doing? 2 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:34,480 Hey John, how are you man? 3 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:35,480 It's been a while. 4 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:36,480 It has been a while. 5 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:37,480 It's been too long. 6 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:38,480 Yes it has. 7 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:45,720 I do want to say to everybody who's listening, we did try to record an episode. 8 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:53,960 The technical issues were too demanding for the time slot that we tried to fit them in. 9 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,640 The risk of new gear. 10 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,000 The risk of new gear. 11 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,680 It wasn't just the new gear, it was trying to do it differently with the new gear. 12 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,680 We were trying to do new gear and new software at the same time. 13 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,800 So it turned into kind of a weird mess. 14 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:13,800 It was just a disaster. 15 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:14,800 I'll say it. 16 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:15,800 It was a disaster. 17 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:16,800 It was real bad. 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,800 Every once in a while. 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:23,400 And for everybody who is an IT professional listening, you know there are just some days 20 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,100 that you cannot fix this problem. 21 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:28,240 Some days the gremlins win. 22 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,240 Yep. 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,240 It's too bad. 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,760 Hey, what are you drinking? 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,000 I actually have a new one. 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,080 I've never had it before. 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,520 It is the Rogue Dead Guy Ale. 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,760 This is a gift from Jason. 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,760 Nice. 30 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:44,760 Yeah. 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:45,760 Thank you Jason. 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,880 Again, a rare can for me. 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Not a fan. 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Not usually a canned guy. 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,760 Yeah so I'm not familiar with these guys. 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:04,560 So it talks about having hints of toffee, malt, it's nutty, it's bitter, and roast. 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,560 Okay. 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,360 So you're going to have to tell me. 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,880 We'll have to see what it's like. 40 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:09,880 Yeah. 41 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,960 I'm drinking a Shiner that my friend Chris bought me. 42 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:14,960 Yes. 43 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:15,960 Thanks friend. 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:16,960 You're welcome. 45 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,960 See if I can get this thing to open. 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,680 That was very satisfying. 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:23,680 Wow. 48 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:24,680 Whatcha drinking? 49 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:25,680 All right. 50 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:26,680 Cheers. 51 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:27,680 Cheers. 52 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Clink and all that. 53 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,680 Yep. 54 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,680 Yep. 55 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,680 What do you think? 56 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,880 It's not bad. 57 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,080 I'm just trying to figure out what it is. 58 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Like what are you tasting? 59 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,880 That I'm tasting. 60 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:45,880 It's different. 61 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,280 You said it was bitter. 62 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,280 Like how bitter? 63 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,240 I don't think it's that bad on the bitter. 64 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,320 Maybe it's the toffee. 65 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,320 Is it sweet? 66 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,320 A little bit. 67 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,320 Okay. 68 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,840 Not too bad. 69 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,120 Not like the, was it a chocolate beer that you tried? 70 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,920 Oh my gosh. 71 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:07,040 So I mean it's good. 72 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,040 I like it. 73 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,040 It's good. 74 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,440 It would just take a little, I probably need to drink a few. 75 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,440 Let it run through my system. 76 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,920 Yeah after the third one tastes great. 77 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:19,920 They all taste great. 78 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:20,920 It's my favorite. 79 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:23,040 What's your favorite beer? 80 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,040 The third one. 81 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,040 The third one, yes. 82 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,040 Sometimes the cake. 83 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,040 Yeah. 84 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,040 Dad comment. 85 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,600 Those years are long gone. 86 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,480 So I do have a beer tip. 87 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:35,480 Okay. 88 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:36,480 Beer tip. 89 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Don't know if we can turn it into a segment or not. 90 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,480 I love it. 91 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,480 Beer tip. 92 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,880 But we were at BJ's last night by the mall. 93 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Okay. 94 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,120 Because Monday night, and this isn't the tip, but it could be for a cheap family meal, half 95 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,320 price pizzas. 96 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,320 Deep dish. 97 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,320 Oh yeah. 98 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,320 You should definitely do that. 99 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Yeah. 100 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,320 So we went, the four of us. 101 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,560 So this is, sorry, we're recording this on a Tuesday. 102 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:57,560 Yes. 103 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,560 It was last night. 104 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,560 Monday night. 105 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,080 This is a hot tip. 106 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Monday nights, half price. 107 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:03,680 Half price. 108 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:04,680 Yes. 109 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,480 All the time. 110 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:12,920 So wanted to have a beer, but I needed to drive and I tend to move to their, to Tonka 111 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Stout, which is a little more than a normal beer. 112 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,560 Yes. 113 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Yeah. 114 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,560 It's kind of like drinking two. 115 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:20,560 Yeah. 116 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,560 So it was like, I'll stick with the light stuff. 117 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,920 I'll stay with my Dr. Pepper. 118 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,600 But on the way in, I came in by the bathrooms and realized that they were selling some of 119 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:33,240 their beers in the can, but they didn't have the Porter or the Tonka Stout. 120 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,560 And so I asked the waitress, you know, when we were paying and I'm like, any of these 121 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,840 dark beers, I saw these. 122 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:38,840 Yeah. 123 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:39,840 What about the dark beers? 124 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:41,480 And she's like, well, let me go ask. 125 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:48,000 And she comes back and she's like, yeah, those two are on nitro, so they don't quite do that. 126 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,840 But they do have two that are not on the menu. 127 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:53,840 I'm sorry. 128 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:54,840 So this is tip number one. 129 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:55,840 Yeah. 130 00:04:55,840 --> 00:05:03,080 They have a black lager and they have a bourbon barrel aged stout. 131 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,560 High gravity baby. 132 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:05,560 Woo woo. 133 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,720 What, what did you just say? 134 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,640 Bourbon barrel aged stout. 135 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,360 Is this like on a hidden menu somewhere? 136 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,480 Why would they do that? 137 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,480 Apparently, I had never known they had these. 138 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:19,480 That's mean. 139 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:20,480 Why would they do that? 140 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,760 So I've got to go back. 141 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,520 Yeah, obviously I have to go back. 142 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:24,520 Obviously. 143 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,680 And I've got to try the black lager. 144 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,720 Obviously, we've got to go back. 145 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,200 Well, I'm all for that. 146 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,880 I'm all for that. 147 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:36,720 Now the bourbon barrel aged, that probably does need to go with pizza because you're 148 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,160 saying it needs a little. 149 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,760 It needs something to soak it up. 150 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,920 Because if you've ever had a red bourbon barrel age, that's kind of tough to say. 151 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:45,920 Yeah. 152 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,920 That's not the beer yet guys. 153 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,920 Yeah. 154 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,120 Bourbon barrel aged are strong. 155 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,120 Yeah. 156 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Strong. 157 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,120 So. 158 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,120 10 to 12%. 159 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,120 Yeah. 160 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,760 Again, it's like drinking two at a time. 161 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,760 Yeah. 162 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,560 So tip number two. 163 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:02,560 Yeah. 164 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:09,960 You can get any of the other beers as well as the black lager or the stout and a growler 165 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:16,440 for $15 and you can bring it back and get it refilled for $10. 166 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,280 I mean, that sounds like a good idea. 167 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:20,280 Oh, it does. 168 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,480 Every night of the week, baby. 169 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,480 Every night. 170 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,360 Getting a different one tonight. 171 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,560 Wow. 172 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,560 I was shocked. 173 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,000 I'm like, I didn't, this isn't on the menu. 174 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,320 And she's like, well, yeah, I guess they don't necessarily share this with everybody. 175 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,320 And I'm like, well. 176 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,120 Why don't they share that with some of us? 177 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,120 How do they know? 178 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,120 How do they know? 179 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,120 How do they know who to share it with? 180 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,120 Well, now it's getting out. 181 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,120 Okay. 182 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,120 Well. 183 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,120 With this huge reach that we have. 184 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,720 This huge reach that we have all the way to New Zealand. 185 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,720 New Zealand. 186 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:48,720 That's right. 187 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:49,720 We didn't get an Australian. 188 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:50,720 Listen. 189 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,560 We got a New Zealander, Bay of Plenty, close enough for me. 190 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,800 Oceania, baby. 191 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,800 We'll take it. 192 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:58,800 Yes. 193 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:59,800 I love it. 194 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:00,800 Yes. 195 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,400 We've got a lot of New Zealander across the continents. 196 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Yes. 197 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,600 I'm going to say that we've officially done them all except Antarctica. 198 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,600 Well. 199 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,000 And I don't anticipate an Antarctica, and I typically don't even see that as an option 200 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 on the list. 201 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Yeah. 202 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:20,080 I don't think that probably there's a whole lot of listening going on down there. 203 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,380 No. 204 00:07:21,380 --> 00:07:22,800 That's a lot of marine biologists. 205 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,720 They're talking to the aliens down there, man. 206 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,040 They're talking to the penguins. 207 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,040 The penguins, yes. 208 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,040 Yes. 209 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,040 So. 210 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,040 Oh, goodness. 211 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,040 Well. 212 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,400 All right. 213 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:41,680 So we wanted to spend a little bit of time, since it's been so long, kind of go and we 214 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:47,320 just at least want to mention that the last thing that we talked about was kind of the 215 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,440 Apple versus PC conversation. 216 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:57,000 And I haven't said it directly to you because I wanted to say it on the podcast and make 217 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,440 sure that I got this reaction. 218 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,480 I don't know if you noticed, but I am using a Mac again. 219 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:05,960 Yes, you are. 220 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,600 It just it turned out it turned out to be more than I could bear. 221 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,240 And I don't I don't say that lightly. 222 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:19,480 I was not trying to be a quitter because I don't like quitting. 223 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,720 But that was that was pretty tough. 224 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Tell me your hurdles. 225 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:30,960 My hurdles are connectivity to all the other computers that I service. 226 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:31,960 Fair enough. 227 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:32,960 Fair enough. 228 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,200 So it's not technically not the PC's fault, though. 229 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,200 Not the PC's fault. 230 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,440 I will say that. 231 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:43,760 Yes, it has been very Apple driven that there is this divide. 232 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:49,240 And there's no reason why Apple can't bring their remote desktop to a PC. 233 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,440 That's not going to kill their mojo and what they're trying to do. 234 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,600 It's really not, especially with how much the remote desktop costs. 235 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,040 Correct. 236 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,800 So I like if you're even like, I don't know how to even say that. 237 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,360 Like it costs a lot of money to buy it. 238 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:10,040 The remote desktop controller, whatever. 239 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,880 For Mac to Mac control. 240 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:21,580 You know, it's really hard to get your entire organization set up well to be able to handle 241 00:09:21,580 --> 00:09:24,080 that even after you've done that. 242 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,000 But I just I don't I don't see it. 243 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,600 There's no reason that they shouldn't be able to correct be controlled by any other hurdles. 244 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:33,960 PC. 245 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:42,180 So I really missed wouldn't hurdle, but I really missed the integration with my phone 246 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:45,040 and well, mostly phone. 247 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:54,800 I'm not really on my tablet anymore with not only like files being more accessible. 248 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Sure. 249 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,840 Like automatically appearing places. 250 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:00,840 I missed that. 251 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:08,000 But I also missed the ability to copy and paste from one of these wireless devices. 252 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,080 OK, I'm just saying it's very nice. 253 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,480 You don't know that you miss it until all of a sudden you're like, but that's on my 254 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:15,480 phone. 255 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,440 No, it's just not as fun. 256 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,000 PC makes you stronger. 257 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Yes, it does. 258 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000 It is. 259 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,080 You have to actually think you have to flex those muscles. 260 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,080 Yes, you do. 261 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,240 I don't have time to flex muscle. 262 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,680 There's always ways to fix it. 263 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:31,680 There are always ways to fix it. 264 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:34,160 So yeah, I feel like it was the same. 265 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,760 It was it was the same type of thing. 266 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:41,720 So I we've talked about this, I think back when I was at Pine Cove, I tried to go iPad 267 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,200 only a couple of different times. 268 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,320 And it's the same type of thing. 269 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,160 I feel like because iPads very capable tablet. 270 00:10:54,160 --> 00:11:02,080 But you have to like do that extra bit of thought to figure out how you're going to 271 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,840 accomplish the task in front of you. 272 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,240 And that's just at some point, I've got three kids. 273 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,960 I don't need my brain to work harder. 274 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,480 Well, I appreciate the fact that you actually called it a tablet. 275 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,080 Yeah, because that's what it is. 276 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,080 It is a tablet. 277 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,080 Yes, the iPad. 278 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,080 The iPad. 279 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,080 Oh, yeah, no, it's a tablet. 280 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:27,920 Well, iPad is kind of become synonymous like Kleenex and things for the leader in a particular 281 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:28,920 market. 282 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,160 Yeah, no, I can't do that with this. 283 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,560 I was there when they started this. 284 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:37,800 I feel like if I was there when Kleenex started, I could call it a facial tissue. 285 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,840 Sure, without any hesitation. 286 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:47,080 Well, I will tell you, Gen Z, they're killing me on the terms. 287 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,080 Are they? 288 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,080 Oh, they're killing me. 289 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,080 They're killing me. 290 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,080 That's not cool. 291 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,120 They say they have a they have a Dell all in one. 292 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,240 Yeah, you would think that they could translate that to being like an iMac. 293 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,840 Yeah, it's an all in one computer. 294 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:02,840 Right. 295 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,760 They call them a monitor. 296 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:05,760 No. 297 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,720 And they say we have a problem with our monitor. 298 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:09,720 No. 299 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,560 And I'm like, what monitor are you having trouble with? 300 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:13,560 This. 301 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:17,080 And then you start asking and they're like, that's an all in one computer. 302 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,080 That's not a monitor. 303 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,080 Yeah, that's a computer. 304 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,080 Oh, that's a PC. 305 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,480 You didn't connect the dots? 306 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,960 That's a personal computer right there. 307 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:24,960 Yes, it is. 308 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:25,960 It is. 309 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:26,960 Wow. 310 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:27,960 Wow. 311 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,960 Yeah, this is OK. 312 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,960 So this is a fantastic segue, Chris. 313 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,160 I don't know if you did this on purpose. 314 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,800 Sure, I did. 315 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,920 You are a master. 316 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,920 So the next thing we're going to talk about is kind of modern support. 317 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,360 Yes, where we are in this world of being. 318 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,760 I.T. support. 319 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:59,600 Because Chris, you remember because you were actually doing it. 320 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:06,280 What I.T. support looked like at the turn of the century. 321 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Make me sound old. 322 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,320 I'm just saying, we're both old. 323 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,160 You were actually doing training and then support. 324 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,200 Sure. 325 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,200 Early 2000s. 326 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,560 Yeah, yeah. 327 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:32,640 So I just like I don't think that everyone fully appreciates the difference between, 328 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:39,960 say 2004, I.T. support and 2024, I.T. support. 329 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:48,720 Sure, because there's so many people out here now that they either were possibly not born 330 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,720 yet. 331 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,720 Yeah. 332 00:13:50,720 --> 00:14:01,200 I mean, we did have a conversation earlier today with our staff where somebody referenced 333 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,240 graduating from Chris reference graduating from seminary in 1997. 334 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:13,840 And we had a staff member who remained nameless, who was like, I was born in 1998. 335 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,040 That's when you feel old. 336 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,320 Chris was graduating from seminary. 337 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,320 I was in high school. 338 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,680 It's not like I was. 339 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,440 I should have been graduating TJC in that year. 340 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,760 Instead, I was being a loser. 341 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:30,760 Oh, whatever. 342 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:31,760 But you know what? 343 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:32,840 I stayed with it. 344 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,440 It's an important journey, Chris. 345 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,480 And well, it is on this side of it. 346 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,480 Sure. 347 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,760 But on that side of it, you know, my mom and dad should have whipped me on one side down 348 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:42,760 the other. 349 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:48,320 So, you know, but yeah, I yeah, I hear what you're saying. 350 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,160 It was definitely different. 351 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,240 Back then, you really could say that Macs really did suck. 352 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,320 Mac OS was wretched. 353 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,160 And everything then was Windows versus Novell. 354 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,560 Oh my gosh. 355 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:09,080 And then the real Uber geek just send us a boost if you know what Novell is. 356 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,120 That's that's that's who I want to hear from. 357 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,120 Novel Netwear, baby. 358 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,120 Hmm. 359 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,840 IPX, SPX. 360 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,520 You remember that with Novell? 361 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:19,520 No. 362 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:20,520 Yeah. 363 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,440 Their version of basically TCP IP, if you will. 364 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,640 Oh, yeah. 365 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,400 Incredible for communication on a network. 366 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,600 It's like LaserDisc. 367 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,600 One of these one. 368 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,640 I love LaserDisc. 369 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,440 I know people would hate on it. 370 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,920 Man, I tell you what, LaserDisc was amazing. 371 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,840 It still is. 372 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,000 Imagine in today's I know we're getting off tangent here. 373 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Yeah. 374 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,960 In fact, we just had this conversation the other day. 375 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,120 Imagine LaserDisc updated for now. 376 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,200 Imagine that disc with Blu-ray level quality and compression. 377 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,200 Yeah. 378 00:15:55,200 --> 00:16:01,080 You could have the full Lord of the Rings Extended Edition trilogy. 379 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Sure. 380 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,080 On one disc. 381 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,080 Yeah. 382 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,840 But that's because it was the size of a record. 383 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Exactly. 384 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,840 I mean, exactly. 385 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,480 I mean, to carry that around. 386 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,920 I went the opposite direction. 387 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,280 I really liked when they came out with many discs. 388 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,280 Yeah. 389 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:21,440 They were like the discs that were in the little tape looking cartridge. 390 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:22,440 That was awesome. 391 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,560 But hear me out here. 392 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,040 This would be if George Lucas still owned Star Wars, that would be his dream. 393 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,840 He could re-release everything on a whole new format and soak us all for money. 394 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,440 And we would all go, please, Papa. 395 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:37,440 He would do it too. 396 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,780 Can we have more? 397 00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:40,920 I would not buy the new stuff. 398 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,080 Oh, man. 399 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,640 I will always be a fan of LaserDisc. 400 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,040 I know I was young when it came out. 401 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,040 So that's hilarious. 402 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:52,120 There's some romanticizing of LaserDisc and what it could have been. 403 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,360 We had a LaserDisc player in our elementary school. 404 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,360 Yeah. 405 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:01,140 And I remember thinking like, whoa, that is amazing. 406 00:17:01,140 --> 00:17:03,640 And also, that is enormous. 407 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:04,640 Yes. 408 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:05,640 Yes. 409 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,240 So I guess we'll circle it back. 410 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:18,320 IPXSPX was essentially their TCPIP. 411 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,520 Tremendous protocol for a network. 412 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:21,520 Chatty. 413 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:26,120 So you had to be careful with how you segment and how that worked. 414 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:28,520 But it was rock solid. 415 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,400 Absolutely rock solid. 416 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,900 And Microsoft was trying to make a name for themselves. 417 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:40,160 And they literally reverse engineered the protocol and baked it into Windows and said, 418 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,320 oh, it's no problem if you have a Novel network. 419 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,320 We can talk that language. 420 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,320 Look at that. 421 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,320 Oh, yeah. 422 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,040 That was back when Microsoft was still scrappy trying to compete. 423 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,000 And they literally pummeled Novel. 424 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,360 Well, I mean, you get a computer that can talk both languages. 425 00:17:58,360 --> 00:17:59,360 Oh, yeah. 426 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:00,360 They're going to win. 427 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:01,360 Oh, yeah. 428 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:02,360 Oh, yeah. 429 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:05,120 So it's a director thing of beauty. 430 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:06,120 Some people hate it. 431 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:07,120 It's amazing. 432 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,120 It's amazing. 433 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:15,240 I love that you're geeking out over AD. 434 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,240 I love Active Directory. 435 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,240 Yeah, sure. 436 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,720 We don't use it at work anymore. 437 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,560 We've got a great product in JumpCloud. 438 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:22,560 Shout out. 439 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,920 JumpCloud does your AD. 440 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,820 It's essentially AD in the cloud. 441 00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:29,360 It's a whole lot more than that. 442 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:30,400 But it's doing that. 443 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,400 But it's doing that. 444 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:32,400 Yeah. 445 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,160 But yeah, love Active Directory. 446 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,160 So robust. 447 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,800 You could build anything off of it just about that you wanted. 448 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,300 Yeah. 449 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:49,400 So back then, all Windows basically, lots of Cisco. 450 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,520 So that hadn't changed. 451 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:59,960 And that was back in the good old days of when the IT guy said, this is what we're doing. 452 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,680 And it got done. 453 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:02,680 Mm-hmm. 454 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,920 And today, it's a little bit different. 455 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,720 OK, let's talk about why that is. 456 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,480 So you want to get me in trouble. 457 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,960 No, I don't think either one of our bosses are listening to this. 458 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,680 Seth, are you out there? 459 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,360 He could be. 460 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:21,520 Maybe. 461 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,960 He's not going to disagree with this. 462 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,400 It's anyway. 463 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,520 Feel free to take the fifth. 464 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,720 I don't think that that's going to have to happen, though. 465 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,720 Here's what I was going to say. 466 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:43,360 So there was a time when I likened this a lot to when I first started. 467 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:46,400 We may have talked about this already on this podcast. 468 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:54,440 When I started, my father did not care about cars. 469 00:19:54,440 --> 00:20:00,040 I asked him what his first car was when I was in high school or something like that, 470 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,880 and he said a blue one. 471 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,600 That's never been something that he's cared about at all. 472 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:15,560 And I've always been fascinated with go-fast machines of all sorts. 473 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,120 So loved cars, loved like matchbox cars when I was a kid. 474 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:27,480 I love just the look of so many cars. 475 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,600 Stingray Corvette was one of my favorite. 476 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,920 It looked like something out of a comic book to me. 477 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:42,280 This should be Batman's kind of car. 478 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,000 There was always this fascination with things. 479 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:50,440 I remember when I first found out about the million-dollar muscle machine, the McLaren 480 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,640 F1, and that they had the driver's seat in the middle because it was, of course, built 481 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,840 by an F1 company. 482 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,040 But that didn't even register at that point. 483 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,560 It was the fact that this is just the coolest thing I've ever seen. 484 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:13,200 And finding cars that could go so fast, so quick. 485 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,080 I just remember really enjoying that, motorcycles, planes, all of these different things. 486 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,440 I just really loved. 487 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,320 But my dad didn't relate to that at all. 488 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,320 And so I didn't really know that much about them. 489 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:31,440 And when I realized my love for driving, when I was 15 and 16, actually before that, because 490 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:39,760 my mom's awesome and let me drive before I was legally allowed to, but really started 491 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:46,840 driving and enjoying that, I had a love for driving, but I didn't. 492 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:54,080 Everything that was happening underneath the engine was, or underneath the hood, was very 493 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,600 elves with hammers to me. 494 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,680 That's the only way I can describe it. 495 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,320 I had no idea what was going on. 496 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,320 I knew there were moving parts. 497 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:10,800 I knew it wasn't a fantasy world of little small moving creatures or anything like that. 498 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,440 But I didn't have any clue. 499 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:20,600 When I got out of college, I got to work in a maintenance group for a while, and quite 500 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,940 a bit of that was working with one of the mechanics. 501 00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:24,880 And he taught me a lot. 502 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:33,640 And so in that transition in my brain, loving this thing and knowing how to use it, because 503 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:41,840 I even knew how to drive a stick by the time I was in college, but still had very little 504 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:49,840 understanding of the vehicle itself, would very easily have just torn up engines, not 505 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,160 understanding them well. 506 00:22:51,160 --> 00:23:05,920 So then being able to know how they work, this is where a lot of modern IT is now. 507 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:12,760 There was a while when it felt like the IT guy was the, like he could say how things 508 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:18,360 were going to go, because it was very much like a... 509 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,760 There almost was no other alternative. 510 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,640 You have no idea how this works. 511 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:30,720 You know that you want to be able to send an email, but you know that you want to be 512 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,640 able to hit the internet, but you don't know how to get there. 513 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,440 You don't know anything about it. 514 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:43,840 And now it's like everybody has just the smallest bit of knowledge about it, enough to be dangerous 515 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,640 with it. 516 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:54,520 And now, well, this place that I used to work did it this way. 517 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,560 And they don't understand. 518 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,600 You're coming from a completely different infrastructure for these things. 519 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,560 And you don't know how it works. 520 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,460 You just know that it works somewhere else. 521 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:11,760 And you actually don't know if it's still working there or not, to be honest. 522 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,760 Yeah, I mean, that's been an interesting transition to see. 523 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:23,680 You know, starting out, you just use whatever the company had. 524 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,600 And most of the time it was a shared resource. 525 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,040 It wasn't dedicated to you. 526 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,740 And it wasn't a full blown computer. 527 00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:33,800 It was a dumb terminal. 528 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,800 Some had amber, some had green. 529 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,160 Depends on who you work for, who they got it from. 530 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,840 You know, Toys R Us, it was always a green, dumb terminal. 531 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,800 Nothing but text, basic menus, jump around with tab and your arrow keys. 532 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,800 And that was it. 533 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,800 Yeah. 534 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,600 Go to Office Max, they had amber. 535 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,040 Screen sure looked a whole lot alike. 536 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,040 Really? 537 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,300 Menus sure looked a whole lot alike. 538 00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:58,800 But there were subtle differences. 539 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,000 But I mean, that's all it was. 540 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,880 And it really wasn't until I got to working for Cox Communications to where I technically 541 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,280 had a dedicated computer being support. 542 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,560 So everybody had to have a computer because you were having to get into systems and check 543 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,560 it out. 544 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,320 And there was a lot of graphical pieces at that point. 545 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,640 You know, and then make it to Pine Cove. 546 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,840 And it was very much you have what you have because it got donated. 547 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,640 And it was like, oh, this is a whole different perspective. 548 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,640 Yeah. 549 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:41,080 You were literally piecing together components from dead computers to make a functional computer 550 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,480 just to keep things running. 551 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,560 Yeah, I remember the computer that I started on in maintenance. 552 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,160 That was a shared computer, by the way. 553 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,160 Oh, yeah. 554 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,120 The only reason that I spent most of my time at it and other guys didn't get to spend much 555 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:58,120 time at it is because they kept offloading their computer work to me. 556 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:02,040 They didn't want to mess with that newfangled computer. 557 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,040 Yeah. 558 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,640 So, yeah, I mean, there's been a lot in that. 559 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:11,920 And there's it's not all bad. 560 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,340 You know, there are there's there's some give and take. 561 00:26:16,340 --> 00:26:21,480 You know, you need your people to buy in to some degree. 562 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,000 At some level, it's hey, guys, this is just where we are. 563 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,400 You're just going to have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and we're going to move 564 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,680 forward. 565 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:37,440 But there is some there's some give and take a good example of. 566 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,160 Our user base bringing something to us that actually ended up being better versus what 567 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,000 we had at the time was it was Zoom. 568 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:51,280 We were using Cisco at the time and it worked great, but it wasn't the best for interacting 569 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,000 with people who were outside of the company. 570 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:03,080 But see, that was the thing is Zoom appears as a solution to everybody else in a in a 571 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,160 time where all of a sudden everyone needs this tool. 572 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,160 Yeah. 573 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,360 Whereas before, when you're making a decision about this, you're thinking, what is the most 574 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:15,440 stable tool that I can buy for my company? 575 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,560 Not thinking, well, in a few months, everybody's going to need this. 576 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,560 Yeah. 577 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:28,200 So I'm thinking, how do I set this room up to be the best possible solution for something 578 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,200 that's going to be so rock solid? 579 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:36,960 I mean, honestly, we all saw what happened when all of a sudden everybody has Zoom. 580 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,960 It's not great. 581 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,960 No. 582 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,960 But it's what we had to do. 583 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,720 No, but it was more robust than what we had. 584 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,720 Yeah. 585 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,040 And it gave you the freedom to have to get out of the office. 586 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:53,960 So but that's a great example of our users going, hey, we really think this is a better 587 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,960 product. 588 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,080 And you look into it, and you're like, OK, so what would it take to get the existing 589 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,680 hardware up to that level? 590 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,200 And you're like, well, for that cost, I can just go ahead and go to Zoom. 591 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,200 Yeah. 592 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,800 I do have the sunk cost in this other hardware. 593 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,880 But the beauty of that Zoom had is I could still reuse that room equipment, point it 594 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,720 into into Zoom, and you can still leverage it. 595 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,720 Yeah. 596 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,960 And now over time, that year's aged out, and we've gone to pure Zoom gear. 597 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:29,840 But that's a good example of where the user base can actually have a good idea and go, 598 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,320 hey, you should evaluate this. 599 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,200 Now everybody's always going to be like, well, I have to have this because I'm most efficient 600 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,200 here. 601 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,800 And that may be. 602 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,120 But sometimes you get down to sheer numbers. 603 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,280 When it's going to cost $1,600 to $2,000 to buy you a laptop that's going to get used 604 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:54,800 for three months, or I can buy you a $500 Chromebook, and it's literally just running 605 00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:01,280 a browser, everything you do exists out of a browser, I'm going to buy a $500 Chromebook. 606 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:07,680 And then we're going to make the argument for why we didn't buy you a $2,000 laptop 607 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,860 that collects dust nine months out of the year. 608 00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:14,280 And then on top of that is some of the additional licensing when you get into something like 609 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,280 JumpCloud. 610 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,280 Yeah. 611 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,120 It's $30 for a permanent license to manage a Chromebook. 612 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,520 I'm at $12 per user per month. 613 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,480 And once I had that license, I had that license for perpetuity, and I'm paying for it every 614 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,920 single month. 615 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,400 So I'm going to pay for it nine months out of the year that I don't need it. 616 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,760 You got to factor all those costs in. 617 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,760 And then you can go and say, this is what I know. 618 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:45,160 I know we're saying we don't like this, but this is a huge savings. 619 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,320 And you're literally just going to open the Chrome browser, and that's where you're going 620 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,320 to stay. 621 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,360 I may need to show you how to print. 622 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,240 It's not that hard, but I can show you. 623 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,240 Not anymore. 624 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,360 Here's some subtle ways to add some additional applications that you potentially need, or 625 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,360 we can even push it to you. 626 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,800 And you're rocking and rolling. 627 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,520 In a corporate setting where you're having to make sure that all of the computers that 628 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,240 are going out at any given time are fitted with the same stuff. 629 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,240 Yes. 630 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:20,840 It's nice to be able to set it up once and push it to a multitude of devices. 631 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:21,840 That's amazing. 632 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,800 So I mean, there's always going to be some back and forth there. 633 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,480 In the corporate world, I don't know how much of that is happening. 634 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,920 I still hear a lot of initiatives around BYOD. 635 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,800 I remember talking about that 10 years ago. 636 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,800 We're talking about it again. 637 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,240 It doesn't mean we're going to go down that road, but it's one of the things that's being 638 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,240 considered. 639 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,240 Where we're at right now is we're literally, here's the cost for a Chromebook, here's the 640 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,560 cost for a PC, here's the cost for a Mac. 641 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,600 Here's who has to have a device year round, so they're probably going to have a Mac or 642 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,600 a PC. 643 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,060 But these summer use devices, that's what we're really trying to hone in on and go, 644 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:05,360 this is where the real savings is at. 645 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,960 And this is why we have it. 646 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:13,160 And I understand that you want this shiny Mac over here, but we're trying to save money 647 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,880 for the ministry, because every dollar that we don't spend could go into scholarship. 648 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:24,040 It could go into upkeep on facilities, whatever it may be. 649 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,760 So let's be mindful of how we're spending money. 650 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:40,200 I want to talk about that mentality of actually measuring the cost. 651 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,920 That feels to me like something that a lot of people can relate to in just general. 652 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:53,480 But I want to make sure that we talk about the fact that that measuring the cost is present 653 00:31:53,480 --> 00:32:02,120 in so many more things than just a cost of the actual money that it takes to get something 654 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,120 done. 655 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,000 You're talking about the cost of training with a lot of these things. 656 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:15,940 You're talking about the cost of support in terms of man hours and with how well something 657 00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:17,640 happens and stuff like that. 658 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:28,440 And your organization is probably, I don't know, are they? 659 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:35,720 I would say, yeah, they have to be more cross-platform than we are. 660 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:46,560 We are now almost solely Mac, which is part of the reason for me going back to a Mac. 661 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,120 That's fair enough. 662 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:54,720 We still teeter around 60% Mac, 40% PC. 663 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,840 So I mean, it's still fairly close. 664 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,960 And we'll probably say that way for a while. 665 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,800 I guess maybe some of those numbers shift when I consider Chromebook. 666 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,800 But Chromebook is only in a handful of spots right now. 667 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,560 But it has the potential that it could spread out. 668 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:19,080 I know you experimented, there's a hard word, with that yourself. 669 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,600 And some of the other hidden things in that is when you are cross-platform, that didn't 670 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,600 necessarily mean you always have a single pane of glass to manage everything. 671 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,400 Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. 672 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:40,520 You may have to go to AD to manage some elements of your PCs and some pieces of a Mac to a 673 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,080 certain degree. 674 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,920 And if you've got a Chromebook, you're going over here to Google. 675 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520 If you've got an Android phone, you're going to Google. 676 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:53,840 If you want to manage a Mac well, you need to find a system like Jamf to bring your Macs 677 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,120 into that, bring your iPads into that, your iPhones. 678 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,120 Yeah, I know we've been talking about that. 679 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,120 And before you know it, you're managing out of three or four different systems. 680 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:08,320 And so you're always looking for that holy grail of give me one pane of glass. 681 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,920 And JumpCloud is the closest thing that we found. 682 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,600 The only thing they don't manage currently is a Chromebook, but I can get everything 683 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,320 else in there. 684 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,320 But again, if you're so dependent on Active Directory, it's hard to bring in something 685 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,400 like a JumpCloud or an Octa or whatever that may be to manage that. 686 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,920 And you have multiple systems. 687 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:36,680 And when you lose somebody and you bring somebody new in, and maybe they're green because it's 688 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:42,440 a lower position, and you've got to spin them up one at a time on each of these management 689 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,680 systems and what that looks like, the amount of time and effort and documentation that 690 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,520 has to go into that. 691 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,560 And so you're really pouring time and resources into that person and you want them to stick 692 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,080 around because you don't want to have to keep redoing that. 693 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:02,460 And that person is having to spend so much of their time in the menu browsing portion 694 00:35:02,460 --> 00:35:06,160 of their job, as I like to call it. 695 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,760 We all have seen it and probably done it where we're just looking at the... 696 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,840 We open the application and we just look at the menus one by one. 697 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,080 Where is this thing that I'm looking for? 698 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,080 Yeah. 699 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,080 I mean... 700 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,160 I did that the other day with Google. 701 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,360 And I would say that the more panes of glass that you have to open, even if you're familiar 702 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:30,640 with them, the more times you will find yourself in that position of going, oh, where is that 703 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,640 here? 704 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:41,040 And I'm like, I don't do this every day from this management site or this view. 705 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,200 I was trying to just find something as simple as the strike through in Google Sheet. 706 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,800 It wasn't a sheet, it was Doc. 707 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,160 And I'm like, where'd it go? 708 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,160 It used to be on the bar, I thought. 709 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,040 And then finally I found it buried in a menu, two layers in, and I'm like, well, that's 710 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,040 weird. 711 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,320 Okay, boom. 712 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,640 I guess nobody else is using this. 713 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,640 Let's be for it to come off the bar and be buried in a two layers. 714 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,960 No, I get that for sure. 715 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:17,200 There's a lot of figuring that out. 716 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:23,040 And I would say the other thing that makes it hard right now, kind of in the same aspect, 717 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:38,040 is whenever, because there's a lot of push now for iterations of software and hardware 718 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:45,160 both to improve every year and significantly improve. 719 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:51,200 I think there's probably some market research going on inside of that, that if you're not 720 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,280 giving a significant bump in either hardware or software every year that your market share 721 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,840 is going down. 722 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:04,200 So it seems like that because the number of things that they will change. 723 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:14,480 And I joke with our senior pastor that a lot of times they're fixing things that aren't 724 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,640 broken in order to make these changes or whatever. 725 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:27,800 And I was trying to explain to somebody, they were like, oh, you're a real Mac fanatic. 726 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,680 And I was like, I don't really see myself that way. 727 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,200 And they're like, well, you watch the keynotes. 728 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,440 And I was like, I feel like I have to watch the keynotes so that I know what's changing. 729 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:44,040 I have to watch these announcements of not just the hardware, but all of the software 730 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,680 that they're changing and the stuff that they're bringing in. 731 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:52,800 Because I have to be able to support everything that they're saying is coming down the pipeline. 732 00:37:52,800 --> 00:38:02,180 And it's like, this is not like the number of things that you expect your IT guy to know 733 00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:06,400 off the top of his head is a little bit insane. 734 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,400 Yeah. 735 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,500 And even if you are predominantly one platform, it's still hard to know it all. 736 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:17,800 And then when you are spread out across three, four, five different platforms, you can't 737 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,800 know it all. 738 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,120 At best, you're a jack of all trades, but you're not going to be an expert in anything, 739 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,920 especially if you're a small team. 740 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,520 What you're an expert in are the things that break all the time. 741 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,200 Well, yeah, there is that. 742 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,420 Those are the things that your IT professional will be an expert in. 743 00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:33,920 I guarantee it. 744 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,360 If it breaks all the time, this guy is going to know exactly what to do. 745 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,560 And he can probably do it with shortcuts. 746 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:48,160 Because oh my gosh, the number of times there for a while that I was having to get back 747 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:57,080 into the kernel on Max in order to allow certain things to happen because they'd locked down 748 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,080 all these permissions. 749 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,240 Anyway, it was just ridiculous. 750 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,520 Like guys. 751 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,320 Anyway. 752 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:10,520 I blame Apple. 753 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,880 You do blame Apple. 754 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,960 They're the one that spun all this stuff up. 755 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,240 I understand. 756 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,200 But I watched the keynote. 757 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:25,120 I saw the flow guy. 758 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,120 And what did it remind you of? 759 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,320 Yeah, maybe Apple. 760 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,680 They had their different terminology. 761 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,680 They do. 762 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,680 And it was just as they're trying to be slick. 763 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,760 I mean, I'll be honest, anymore, the keynotes have almost become a drinking game. 764 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,960 I would. 765 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,960 I mean, not. 766 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:45,960 I'm not. 767 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,000 I'm not advertising that that happens or anything. 768 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,720 But maybe it does. 769 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:54,720 Yeah. 770 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,960 At a minimum, it's a bingo game. 771 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,960 Yeah. 772 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,960 And a middle. 773 00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,960 Yeah, for sure. 774 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,160 But it's an absolute drinking game. 775 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,000 Like are you kidding me? 776 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000 Say it one more time. 777 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,000 Amazing. 778 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,000 Yeah. 779 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000 Spectacular. 780 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,000 Magical. 781 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,000 Magical. 782 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,000 That was my favorite there for a while. 783 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000 It's magical. 784 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,000 It's magical. 785 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000 It just works. 786 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000 Sure. 787 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,840 It does, buddy. 788 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:24,160 You got a lot of guys sitting there with their I fix it kits going. 789 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,280 I don't know that he knows what that word means. 790 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,200 Yeah, I don't think he knows what that word means. 791 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,680 Can't remember the guy's name, but the one guy on YouTube out of New York, he sure lets 792 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,680 him have it. 793 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,680 Oh, yeah. 794 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,680 Are you talking about Marquez? 795 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,760 No, he does it all the repairs. 796 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,120 Oh, the repair guy. 797 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,960 Yeah, I can't think of his name. 798 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:40,960 Shoot. 799 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,960 But he blasts them. 800 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:42,960 Oh, yeah. 801 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:43,960 Like crazy. 802 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,400 And he's a huge proponent of being able to at least have the ability to fix your own 803 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,400 stuff. 804 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,400 Yeah, right to repair. 805 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,400 Yeah. 806 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,400 Is for real. 807 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,400 Oh, yeah. 808 00:40:52,400 --> 00:41:00,560 Like that doesn't make any sense that I can't, you know, look at this thing and say like, 809 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,520 oh, well, the battery needs to be replaced. 810 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,480 I should be able to do that. 811 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,120 Couple of screws, the back should come off, pop it out, pop it in, call it a day. 812 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:18,920 I'm not saying that we all need to, you know, be able to solder the motherboard, but there's 813 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,240 a few things that we should be able to do. 814 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:22,240 Sure. 815 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,640 And if Jason and Jacob are listening, they probably just took a drink because I said 816 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,640 call it a day. 817 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,640 Call it a day. 818 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,360 They have identified that I say that quite a bit. 819 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,080 Well, you know, we all have things. 820 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,240 So I'm trying to break it. 821 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:41,760 The first step is realizing that you do it and then you try to catch yourself. 822 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,760 Yeah. 823 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,080 I think Pine Cove has a way of doing that. 824 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,720 They make a cheer out of it. 825 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:49,720 Yeah. 826 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,320 And then every time you say it, you got to listen to them cheer at you. 827 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,320 Yep. 828 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,320 Let's count them. 829 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,320 Anyway. 830 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,600 Bro, I got nothing. 831 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,720 It's okay. 832 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,680 It's a first show back in a while. 833 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,680 Yeah. 834 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,480 It's good to hit the ground running again. 835 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,480 Absolutely. 836 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,760 We don't have any boosts. 837 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:13,760 We don't have any. 838 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,760 No, no boosts. 839 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,640 But in fairness, we haven't done a show in a while. 840 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,440 No blades, no bows. 841 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,440 Yeah. 842 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,000 Leave your weapons here. 843 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,480 Did we talk about OP3? 844 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,480 No. 845 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,560 Some of the open podcast standards. 846 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,760 As far as being able to track stuff. 847 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,120 I don't think so. 848 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,360 If we did, it was a while ago. 849 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:41,080 So it's been interesting to compare it against RSS.com, who we use for hosting to see. 850 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,080 And the numbers are way different. 851 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,080 Okay. 852 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,240 And so the question is, which one of these is lying? 853 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:46,240 Yeah, right. 854 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:47,240 So, but. 855 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:48,600 But you've plugged in OP3? 856 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,520 Yeah, I can send you the link. 857 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,520 Yeah. 858 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,400 I can put it in the show notes if anybody else wants to follow it. 859 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,160 But it's interesting to see. 860 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,520 You know, again, we haven't done a show in over a month. 861 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:00,520 Yeah. 862 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,960 So in the last seven days, we've still had three downloads. 863 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:03,960 Wow. 864 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,880 It's like, who's still out there downloading? 865 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,880 We haven't updated it forever. 866 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:07,880 Yeah. 867 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,080 Seven in the last 30 days. 868 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,640 Okay, cool. 869 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,840 Six whole downloads in July, baby. 870 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:15,840 Yeah, well. 871 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,840 Woot. 872 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,100 So it's interesting to look at. 873 00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:19,100 You just wooted. 874 00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:20,100 I did. 875 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:21,100 I wooted. 876 00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:22,100 That wasn't even a woot. 877 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,100 That was a woot. 878 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:24,640 These are big numbers for our show. 879 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:25,640 Absolutely. 880 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,360 Especially in a month that we were basically silent. 881 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,360 Doing nothing, yeah. 882 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 883 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,200 So yeah, the most, wow, look at that. 884 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,640 Listen, summer is hard. 885 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,000 It's been even longer than we realize. 886 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,920 The last show was May 31st. 887 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,240 No. 888 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,440 Yes. 889 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,920 Two months ago, man. 890 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,640 Well, I can, like, I can very much explain being gone for the entire summer. 891 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,640 Oh yeah. 892 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,640 Oh yeah. 893 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,080 So most of us are kind of ridiculously busy. 894 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,080 Slightly busy. 895 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,080 Slightly busy. 896 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,400 But wow, that doesn't seem possible. 897 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,320 Well, I guess it does because we were going to do a show in the middle of that and that's 898 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,760 the one that just cratered. 899 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,760 Yeah. 900 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:15,000 I'm checking RSS.com real quick to make sure that date is right. 901 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,600 I'd be interested. 902 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,600 May 31st. 903 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,600 May 31st. 904 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,600 Wow, okay. 905 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,600 Well. 906 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,600 So that was intriguing. 907 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,880 So in May, we got a show out on the 27th and then we turned around and got a show out on 908 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,880 the 31st. 909 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:33,600 I remember because the 27th was actually done before that and it took a little while to 910 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,600 get it out. 911 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,680 Yeah, it was in the can for a bit. 912 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,960 And then the 31st was recorded and then basically released. 913 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:45,880 And then one other fun statistic, our big show where we really exploded on the scene. 914 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,880 Yeah. 915 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,760 So we were like, yes, your speakers are working, we're talking about going to the event and 916 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,760 seeing everything. 917 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,320 We're up to 93 whopping downloads. 918 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,800 We're closing in on 100. 919 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,800 Wow. 920 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,800 Yeah. 921 00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:59,800 There's no reason that should be. 922 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,440 For whatever reason, that episode just like poof. 923 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,120 Next closest is at 58. 924 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,120 We said all the right things. 925 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,120 Third episode. 926 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,120 Third episode. 927 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,120 Yeah. 928 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,680 Which wasn't the third episode though, the one that we were like, this is amazing. 929 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,120 All of a sudden people are listening. 930 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,720 Well, that would have been episode, I think that was actually episode six because five 931 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:22,400 is the one that exploded before that. 932 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,480 It was like 10, maybe 20. 933 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,840 And then that one came out and then like three days we had made it to like 50 or 60. 934 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,560 And it was like, what in the world? 935 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,960 And we still don't know what triggered it. 936 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,960 Yeah, I know. 937 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,800 I don't know if it just randomly ended up on somebody's front page of like new podcasts 938 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,800 to listen to. 939 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,440 Showed up at just the right time. 940 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,440 Who knows? 941 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,440 Yeah. 942 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,440 Who knows? 943 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,360 Episode three was the big one on podcasting 2.0. 944 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,560 Oh yeah. 945 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,760 Yeah. 946 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,760 Podcasting 2.0. 947 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,760 Podcasting 2.0. 948 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,840 That was a fire hydrant. 949 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,840 Yes it was. 950 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,840 Yes it was. 951 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,280 Yes, and we are 2.0 compliant. 952 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,280 Yes we are. 953 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,280 We need a little badge. 954 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,800 Man, they should definitely give out a badge for that. 955 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,800 They've joked about it. 956 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,800 Have they? 957 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,800 They have, yes. 958 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,800 Okay. 959 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,000 Well, I'm beyond joking. 960 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,120 They should definitely do that. 961 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,040 So yeah, I'll send you the link to OP3. 962 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,040 Nice. 963 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,400 Get it out there for everybody else that potentially wants to track it. 964 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:26,360 Interesting resource just because you're trying to, basically it gets appended to your RSS 965 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:32,960 feed so that everything that hits your RSS feed gets redirected into them. 966 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,120 So that's why I say one of these two is lying. 967 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,120 Yeah. 968 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,120 Or at least skewed. 969 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,120 Let me say that. 970 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,120 One of them is skewed. 971 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,120 Yes, they're skewed. 972 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,120 Because they don't line up on the numbers. 973 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,120 No. 974 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,120 So. 975 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,000 I mean, do they ever? 976 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,600 The words don't mean the same thing in these two things. 977 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,600 Yeah. 978 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,120 So here's a great example and then we need to get out of here. 979 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:02,160 RSS.com, in the last 30 days, they say we've had 12 downloads. 980 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,960 I go to OP3, they say seven in the last 30 days. 981 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,280 I mean, that's a pretty significant difference. 982 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,280 It is. 983 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,880 I mean, that's like a 50% difference almost. 984 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,880 So somebody's got it wrong somewhere. 985 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,840 So all right. 986 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:21,840 Well enjoyed it, man. 987 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,840 Yeah. 988 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:23,840 Thanks for hanging out. 989 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,160 We need to do this again in two weeks. 990 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,640 Yeah, not two months. 991 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,120 Yes, get back on cadence. 992 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,120 All right, bro. 993 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,120 Grateful for you. 994 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,120 Yes, sir. 995 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,120 You too. 996 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:51,000 Have a good one. 997 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:58,000 India, Tango, Mike, standby, 33, 33, 33, verbalizer out.