Hey man.
Hey, how's it going?
Good, how are you?
Doing good.
Yeah, we're making it.
Yes.
It's the end of the school year.
I'm a little bit tired, to be honest with you.
I bet.
Yeah, Garrett has graduation tomorrow night.
Ah!
Yes.
Ah!
Yes.
No.
Garrett.
Yeah?
I saw him at the renewing of your vows, I got to spend a little time hanging around him
and I just am, I mean, that's a man.
Yeah.
Wow.
That happened.
Yeah, it did.
So, hey, what are we drinking tonight?
Tonight, we have a can.
It's a can.
It's a rare, rare appearance.
This is actually, I think they're Fort Worth, possibly, those guys?
Fort Worth, yep, Martin House Brewing.
Martin House, this is the Bach Slider, Toadies Texas Bach.
It says on the side, music and beer made in Texas by Texans.
Yes, well, I do like the Toadies.
Toadies.
Yes.
I'm just saying, that was a very satisfying...
Show beer.
...open.
Click.
Yep.
Oh, that is very nice.
Way to go, Martin House.
I can recommend, good job.
Oh yeah, that's good.
Nice, nice, darker...
As we were saying, it's the Faux Shiner.
Faux Shiner.
It's a little bit darker than Shiner, right?
I mean, I can't actually see it right now.
It might be a little bit.
It tastes a little darker than Shiner to me, which is, I mean, it is very pleasant.
Yes.
So, don't be thinking like heavy, it's great.
I like that.
Yep.
Well done.
Nice call, man.
Yeah.
I had one single bottle in the fridge and I was like, well, I guess I'm going to go buy
something.
Well, I really appreciate you letting me mooch off you because I've been up here working
all day long.
No problem.
And did not get a chance to run out, but...
Because I just came from practice.
Yes, you did.
They are in there practicing still, and I was like, I gotta go.
I got stuff I gotta do.
Oh, man.
Sometimes you just need a break.
It's going to be good.
Sunday is going to be great.
Just not quite ready for it.
Even Jesus took breaks.
That's right.
He did.
It was very necessary.
Yes.
Way more necessary than we want to think sometimes.
Yep.
Speaking of break, so with summer break coming up, do you all have any plans?
Your summer break is the end of summer break.
Hey, Mack, you're finally waking up.
My summer break is really work because camp kicks off.
Camp kicks off and you're like going.
Yes.
But then at the end of...
At the end of it all, yes.
I know next week, Victoria and Michelle are doing their trip with the flags.
They're going to whichever Disney is in California.
I'm sorry.
That's Disneyland.
Sorry.
Drinking the beer.
Disneyland.
They're going to Disneyland.
Yes.
Something to do with flags and some event that they're going to be in.
So they're going to do that.
Like marching band flags?
Yes, but minus the band, I believe, on this trip.
Interesting.
It's just flags.
Just the flags.
Yes.
So they're going to be out there for that.
So Garrett and I will be batching it, so to speak.
Nice.
Beyond that, I'm not sure what's going on this summer.
Garrett is aged out of camp.
He sure has.
So we've only got one kiddo going to camp this summer.
I'm sure there will be some trip at some point in the second half of summer.
But as of right now, I think people are just looking forward to getting out of school.
Yes, because graduation for Garrett.
Tomorrow night.
I'm not ready.
It's not something I need to be ready for.
You've got time.
Yikes.
I'll be doing this again in three years.
Only three years.
Only three.
Yes, when mine happen, though, they're going to go one, two, and three.
Yes, they are.
Which also is like, wow, what were we thinking?
Which we weren't.
I mean, that's not how adoption works.
No.
But still.
Still.
Yep.
Okay.
Is your Mac working?
My Mac is working.
It just, it needed an update.
That's all.
Don't, don't tell me you don't know what that's like, Windows guy over there.
I know what it's like.
But not during a show.
Not during a show.
I should have, I, you know, sometimes you accidentally hit the button.
I'm going to mute it because that's too much noise.
There you go.
Yeah.
So we, we're going to talk today.
Try not to get too heated.
I'm trying not to get too heated.
We're going to talk Macs and PCs.
Yeah.
So.
The computer civil war.
It has been, you know, since the eighties.
Right?
Yeah.
Since the eighties, it was a little bit.
It was a little bit different before the eighties in terms of who the players were.
Yeah.
Cause it was, it was really more business than anything.
Yeah.
You didn't, you didn't have business.
Well, I guess there were technically some little home kit computers that you could buy.
Well, that's technically how Apple started.
Yeah.
Being a home kit computer.
Yeah.
But like the ones that I'm, I can't think of the model, but it literally just looks
like a box with blinking lights on the front.
Yeah.
I mean, and I look, here's, here's what I would tell you.
I think that it's funny given where we are now and some of the things that I know are
going to come up here in a second that I think that there things started off very differently
than where we are now in terms of vision, I guess of what this could be.
So this, you know, little device that we have in front of us, and we're just going to stick
right now with computers.
Okay.
Fair enough.
We can, we can call in other things, but I feel like the main point of what we're talking
about needs to, needs to stay kind of in this realm.
Okay.
I am definitely going to reference an ecosystem, but I think that, I think that that needs to
be like, that's secondary.
Fair enough.
Okay.
So why don't you talk us through some of the history here?
Oh boy.
Do you have this off the top of your head?
I'm, I'm totally throwing this at you right now.
No, I, I can't say that I prepared for this and maybe as much as I needed to.
Okay.
So bear with me folks.
No, it's fine.
Just what you remember.
How about this?
As someone who was there.
There you go.
Now you make me sound old.
Well you weren't in California either, but.
No, I was not.
So I guess thinking back to childhood, I remember Max in the school, the only thing we ever did
was play Oregon trail.
That's right.
And almost nobody survived Oregon trail because you died of dysentery.
Dysentery was a killer for sure.
And trying to forward that river.
There is a fun meme out there too about dying from dysentery, but it's not the disease.
It's from dissing the guy named Terry.
That's hilarious.
I'll have to send that to you.
Yeah.
My wife likes to, likes, likes the shirt that's come out.
That's it's got the Oregon trail like wagon on it in eight bit.
Yep.
Green.
Yes.
Green on black screen.
And it just says, bear with me.
I'm from the 1900s.
There you go.
So I wish I could remember what models those were.
That was early, early Mac.
Yeah.
You're talking 80.
First Mac that was in my, or Apple that was in my house was an Apple II GS.
Okay.
And I don't feel like the ones we had at school were a lot further along than that.
Because that was like when I was in the second grade.
Yeah, for me, this would have been 80, 85.
That's earlier than 85.
Yeah.
Because that's when we, yeah, because we moved here in 85 back home in Indiana.
I didn't see this.
Yeah.
It was when we moved here in 85.
Okay.
I'm third grade.
Okay.
Yeah.
Third grade.
There was, there was the Macs and you had the big bad computer lab, but all you ever
saw anybody doing was playing video games.
That's right.
And I will tell you, five years later, that's all we were doing there too.
Correct.
Well, we had Where in the World was Carmen Sandiego.
Do you remember that game?
I do remember that game.
Oh my gosh.
That, and I remember Mavis Beacon teaches typing.
Mavis Beacon teaches typing the quick brown fox jumping over that lazy dog.
Yes.
No, absolutely.
These are all like, that's, that's what we started with.
And it was, and it was Apple.
Yes.
Apple had that first foray into like, Hey, probably education's where we need to start.
Correct.
And that was brilliant.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
Oh yeah.
But it had an interesting effect on me.
I don't know if it had this effect on you.
Having that computer at school actually made me want a PC more.
Interesting.
Because there were freedoms that you had not at school and on PCs that you didn't have
with Apple.
I could put that stinking file folder anywhere I wanted.
That's true.
Anywhere you wanted.
Yes.
It did not snap to a grid.
Correct.
So looking back at this, we had the Macintosh Plus, which was the screen and everything
all in one.
All in one.
With the floppy.
Gone back to that, didn't they?
Yeah, they have gone back to the all in one.
So yeah, this is showing.
Like floppy floppy.
Three, is that three and a half?
I thought that was a big one.
I didn't think the three and a half was until later.
Well, at least the one that's in this picture is showing it with a three and a half inch.
How about that?
Yep.
Yeah.
That's three and a half inch hard disk.
With the single button mouse.
Single button mouse folks.
And the big clickety clack keyboard.
PC came out with that right click and I was like, what is going on?
They just, I mean, they're just going to have all kinds of buttons on these things after
a while.
And they have now.
And of course they both stole it from Xerox.
Yeah.
Way to go Xerox.
Yeah, I'm afraid Xerox kind of got screwed.
Yeah.
They had some great stuff, but just didn't know what to do with it.
Poor guys.
Stolen.
Shouldn't have showed your product off.
Well, but you know, should they though?
We're so grateful that they did.
Yeah.
They're just not quite as cutthroat as it turned out it was going to be.
Which I can appreciate.
You get out there and you have some good ideas and then you realize, oh, these other people
are like playing for keeps.
I didn't realize this was going to be proprietary.
Yeah.
Well, even then, I mean, I don't think anybody could have envisioned the home PC market.
Yeah.
Cause I mean, you're talking that was still back 70s when they raised Xerox and saw the
mouse.
And I was like, oh, that's interesting.
I was like, why would, what would we do with that?
We don't even have a GUI yet.
It was all still command line.
You said GUI.
I did say GUI.
So GUI, graphic user interface.
Yes.
So those don't remember the difference.
There was, there was a, like now if you open up your computer and you look at like, I'm
going to say terminal.
Terminal.
There you go.
You can, you can look at, you can look at a terminal.
You can actually like Seth Stone, one of our friends can just do everything you do with
the mouse in the terminal, in the terminal.
Yes.
He's, he's way smarter than me.
Yes.
But that's actually like, that's, that's speaking more of the language of what the computer
is actually speaking in that command line than what we're used to.
What you see on your device, in your screen all of the time now, all of the time is a
GUI.
Yep.
It's a graphic user, user interface.
It makes sense to your eyes what's going on inside the computer.
Yep.
Back in my day.
Back in Chris's day.
All command line.
MS-DOS.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't, I'm not sorry that that evolved to be honest with you.
I miss it.
But we started to see, I guess in this GUI, started to see some of the differences that
would pop up between Apple and PC.
Yep.
We're, I already referenced one that like SnapGrid that showed up on Apple.
I feel like you started to see even then the beginnings of this, like we, in order to make
this not break, we need more control.
More control, yes.
And so Apple started taking the line of, do it our way.
We're going to, we're going to, we're going to give you as, as my friend Chad says, we're
going to give you what you want.
You just don't know it yet.
Yes.
I just, you don't know, you don't know what you want.
Let me tell you what you want.
Yep.
And there've been so many times that it's been like, holy crap, that was exactly what
I wanted.
And then there's so many times I'm like, why did you change that?
Yeah.
That was, that was not an improvement.
We want our ports back.
Yeah.
If it doesn't have ports, you can't call it a pro.
And you know what?
We got our ports back.
You did.
Yeah.
I'm just saying that's important.
You did.
Power to the people.
But PCs started having more freedom.
Yeah.
They definitely left it more open to expression.
Yeah.
Expression, your interpretation.
How did, how did you want to use the device versus we're going to show you how to use
it?
Right.
PC became more early on the language of business versus at home.
They got really heavily entrenched in business.
Again, they just took a completely different approach than Apple.
Apple's like, we're going to catch you in school.
Microsoft said, that's fine.
We'll take the businesses.
And so you just had such a proliferation of Microsoft, not just at the OS, but, you know,
the, uh, emergence of Microsoft office, office, baby.
Was it necessarily the best office package out there?
But they competed and they drove everybody else slowly out of the market.
Well here's what I think that they did really well.
And this is going to dovetail into what I think Apple has done really well.
So Microsoft, um, did not give you just a word document or word processor doc, a word
processor program, word processor.
They gave you a word processor program and they gave you a data management program data.
I don't know.
Field.
Talking about spreadsheets.
Yeah.
Or yeah.
Excel.
Yep.
I was like, not spreadsheets.
Let's Google.
Yeah.
Um, but they gave you a word, they gave you Excel, they gave you PowerPoint, which can
you remember like the insanity that was PowerPoint whenever that first came out, we had that
we, we immediately started making like that was a, that was part of school.
What you had to be doing was PowerPoint.
Yeah.
Presentations.
I mean, in high school we had a dedicated class at all you learned was Microsoft office.
Yeah.
That was it.
Yeah.
There's nothing else to the class.
You're just going to learn how to use office.
Yeah.
I think it was, um, I guess I was in high school.
I feel like it, like we started to do some of it in middle school, but the, the like
you need to know, like you need to be proficient in order to be a college student, you need
to be proficient in word and Excel.
Yes.
And probably PowerPoint.
Yep.
And I remember thinking like these like programs that are not this, like they're, they, they
serve different, um, purposes, very different purposes.
They are very different, but they work together so well.
Yes.
And I feel like that's what, uh, they did so well.
There was that they, they were like, Hey, there are all these different aspects of work
or life.
And what you really want is a unification of those things.
You want to, you want to be able to look up at the file menu or whatever and, and know
what to expect there.
Yep.
Which I would say like, honestly, they did a fantastic job of making that so predictable.
Yep.
They did.
And I think, I think that that is underrated in terms of not only a lot of our intuition
now with computer programs, um, but also what, what it then brought to like their products
in general.
Yep.
Yeah.
Looking at this, the first official release of office was October of 1990.
So, so, so when I took that class in high school, it was a required class.
And so looking at this timeframe, we would have been using like word version six.
And I think now they're technically up to 14 or 16 or whatever the
It's 365.
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
All right.
Yes, it was oh, three 65.
Now it's in three 65.
Oh, in three years, we'll call it something else.
Sure.
Why not?
They're going the opposite direction though.
They shouldn't be in and then in and then, oh, it's fine.
So I guess looking at this, technically the last version of offices, they're calling it
was version 16.
Okay.
Don't you go over 365.
It's looks like it's a whole nother whole nother animal.
Okay, but here's where I think Apple has kind of run away with it.
Okay.
And I'm just going to say this.
And I understand what it does to your insides when I say this.
I do I get it.
I guess partially because of their control, like their obsessive compulsive control thing
that they have, they have made it possible for their I mean, it's called the ecosystem
for a reason for their ecosystem to be so far reaching.
I'll talk about the problem with that in a second.
Okay.
But the fact that I have seamless and by seamless, I mean, almost not like I don't have to set
it up.
Seas integration through a computer, a phone, a watch and a tablet and my TV. Now, I have
the ability to read messages, like text messages and respond read and respond to text messages,
I can read and respond to emails. Maybe not so much on the TV with the emails. I can I
can my like browser history is across all these devices. If I'm like, I can't remember
what was I looking at the other day that I Oh, no, it's just right there. It shows all
of that.
I can now use apps from like a mobile operating system on a computer operating system. Yeah.
There's so much like so much integration within itself that their ecosystem makes it hard
to leave.
Sure, that's by design.
Once you've gotten in. Yes. And I don't I don't just mean hard to leave because you
might miss some messages. I mean hard to leave because it's so nice to just not have to worry
about it. Sure. In so many ways. And I'm not saying that other places don't do this to
some extent or have some of these features, or even had some of these features first.
Correct.
But it's not the same level. In my opinion.
Yes. So trigger warning, but he just described is what I call the mindless drone effect.
Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Just I'm not hurt. I'm not hurt. Just come right on along. Don't
look over there. Just put blinders on. Okay, it's fine. It's fine. This will be fine. I'm
following the end front of me. Yes. That was your saying? Yes. Lennings baby Lennings. So
I guess I still kind of maybe I've still got something stuck in my crawl. Yeah. Microsoft
tried to go that way. Did they and they got destroyed in the 90s. Okay, tell me about
that. Oh, you can't you can't make people use your your browser. What do you mean it
can't come pre installed with some other browser? Why do we have to use your stuff to get other
stuff? Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's that's why they got beat the heck and back to try
to put it politely for trying to go their own way and all the business for like, Whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. They like start if they want to strip out legacy. It's a nightmare.
Because business like we still use that you can't remove that. You're going to cripple
our business. And it's like, Yeah, you you should have updated by now sucker. Let's let's
move on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they got totally roasted for that. And in the end, they ultimately
didn't have a court case, it kind of got settled. Because the government and everybody had to
admit that they really didn't have much of a case. They don't have a case. No, they didn't.
That that wasn't the perception. Yeah, it's Court of Opinion. Court of Opinion. They got
Yes, they got destroyed. Yes. And if even to some degree now, if they still try to do
that, there's a lot of screaming and him and and howling going on. And it's like, guys,
this legacy codes got to go. You got you got to you got to let you got to let it be. So,
I mean, there's good and bad to being in an ecosystem. Yes, I'm stuck in some of that
with Android. Yes, I can't. I cannot deny that. I am thankful that some things do translate
into other operating systems in terms of applications. Huge fan of what is it movies anywhere? That
lets my library. Yeah, that's your library from one such a great thing. Yeah, that I
leave here and I go to some other platform that supports it just comes right on over.
And that nice. It's amazing how that how that works. Do I think I could leave Android? I
do. I would give anything for this to just be a basic flip phone with a hotspot, bro.
And then I would just have my computer with it. I am I'd be done. I am there as long as
I get to keep the blue bubbles. That's not the way it works in Apple land. No, it's not.
I give everybody the green dot. Yes, you do every time, every time, which is, you know,
less of a thing. And it's so funny that they turn that up on on its head for Apple. We
I got the you were we were talking about this the other day. So there's a funny thing that
happens and I think no matter which side of this you're on, you know that this is the
case. So there's a green dots or the green bubbles on an Apple device whenever an Android
device is or non Apple device when a non Apple device is in a chat with your a message, a
text message with you. They're green bubbles instead of blue bubbles. Yes. And it used
to be that when you would respond to a blue or a green bubble with like an emoji emoji
or something like that, it would like, you know, reply to that message, it would look
fine on an Apple device. And on an Android device, you would see the or no, it was when
an Android device responded to an Apple message, you would see the Apple device would see the
like regular response and an Android device would see the like explanation of the response.
Is that right? Yeah, you I would I would get the I can't remember emphasize emphasize.
It's like, oh, it's like, oh, my gosh, it's not social media, but it is social media.
Stop it. And now it's the other way around. I'm just saying it's a power move. Don't
don't don't like my text message. Don't like your text message. Okay, don't give me. I
do need to remember that because sometimes I do that instead of giving a thumbs up for
like I got it. Yeah, I think you did that earlier. I'm sure I did. Because that sounds
like me very much to me. There you gave just the normal thumbs up, which I'm okay with.
It's its own. It's its own thing. But I thought on one of these, maybe it was somebody else
that I like that somebody it was like the little thumbs up type like on on the message
on the message itself. And it's like, oh, come on, man. Yeah, no, I've done that before
for sure. I really like doing it to Paul because sending emojis to Paul is just kind of funny.
Our friend Paul is he's a year younger than me. And he's he's already an old man in so
many ways. Like if you want to really treat Paul to some sort of candy, he wants black
licorice or where there's originals. He's like 80 years old already. Okay. Really against
anything that tastes good except for steak. So anyway, so I'm going to throw my boss
under the bus here. Oh, here goes. He was the last one that I see that did it, who responded
to a text message with the emphasize thumbs up to the message itself. Yeah. Not an emoji
return thumbs up. I'm just saying it's Apple's fault. It's Apple's fault. But they do want
it to be social media. They want it to to feel like you're social media is the devil
socializing. I'll be Bobby Boucher's mom. It's the devil devil. Devil woman. But how
do you like Okay, here's here's the thing. Like I have never been able to like someone
who really likes PCs. Someone who really likes the operating system of windows. Guilty. I
have never been able to convince anyone who likes the other that they should like this
one better. I don't know what that is. It's it's almost like it's not a personality type
thing. I don't think it's it's more of like a comfort level is what it feels like to me.
Yeah, I think it comes down to what is intuitive to the individual. You know, I can use a Mac.
I have to for work because I've got to support them. But if I had to work every day on a
Mac, I would pull my hair out. Just because I intuitive to you. It's not comfortable to
me. No. And some of that is I've just known windows since I was a kid. And the Mac is
fine. It's got some pretty stuff. You know, but it's pretty. Yes. But it's just it's not
home for me. Well, and a PC was home for me for so long. I feel like I went all the way
through college from from I don't know, I feel like it was high school and college.
But that was the huge majority of when I was actually doing anything functional on a computer.
Sure. Other than playing video games, video games, or can't do well on a Mac. But you
know, back in the day, Oregon Trail worked just fine. Yes, it did. There was a flight
simulator that I feel like worked fine too. Anyway, at some point. No, that's what it
was. My friend had a flight simulator and it worked on his PC at home. And I was like,
wow, that's nice. I can play putt putt on my Apple computer. Anyway, so but I would
say like I was until after college was still knew how to use a Mac was kind of keeping
up with some of the changes that were happening because there were so many changes that were
happening. Yeah, they're in the late 90s and early 2000s. graduated from college in 2005
to 2008, which is also the year that I got married. The iPhone becomes a big deal. Yeah.
And I remember like this change in in that. Like, oh, this is a thing. Like, my Blackberry
was cool. And now it's not cool. Best physical keyboard ever. Best physical keyboard ever.
And the pearl that had that little of the little ball ball. Yeah, that was amazing.
Yes. But it was hard to compete with just using your finger. Yeah, they tried with the
storm. I think was there the storm. I think it was storm. That seems right.
Anyway, it kind of turned everything on its head. That's when I also switched to Mac.
And I've been using Mac ever since. Part of the reason I wanted to have this conversation,
though, is that I'm using a PC at work. I see what you're looking at over here because
I have this Mac still on this table. Yeah, this is the last week for me using this Mac
is like a backup. OK. So I have a PC at work that I am mostly working off of now. The Lenovo?
Yeah. OK. Yeah. It's an X1. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm trying to get used to it. Right. There
are things that I realize like, oh, that's not as easy as it used to be, because I also
have a lot of Macs in my work area. Sure. Because all of the AV computers that we have
are currently Macs, except for one computer that's technically running our live stream.
But I don't ever see the operating system for it because it's just that ubiquitous rack
mounted PC. Yeah. And all it does is run the studio that live streams for us. It's pretty
cool how they have that functions. Resi. Yeah. If you don't know, look that one up. But I
find myself being a little bit confused sometimes because my old PC mind does not recognize
a lot of the operating system anymore. A lot has changed since 95. A lot has changed since
95. They tried to make it look pretty. I don't know if they achieved that, but like there's
some of it that I'm like, oh, wow, that I mean, you just have to press there. And that
makes sense. It's more in the center. Like, OK, that's that feels a little bit Apple to
put the things in the center as opposed to putting it on the left side bottom row. If
you look at mine, whoops, I moved it to the left. See, I didn't even know you could do
that. I don't leave it in the center. I can't do that. Yeah. I didn't even know you could
do that. So like there's some things that I got to figure out. But I'm back to using
all. Well, there's still some like our work stuff moved to Google. So I'm trying to figure
that out. But anyway, the Microsoft suite, like the office suite is as easy to navigate
as it has always been. Absolutely. So appreciate that. Anyway, there's just like there's a
lot. And now I'm now I'm like between worlds as opposed to being. Firmly in one. Correct.
And again, what it came down to is a lot of the devices that I need to support. Are either
better supported from a PC. Or only supported from PC. Yep. And that's kind of the way that
some of this is gone. And that's I guess it's more in the AV world for you. Yeah, it's driving
you that direction. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, well, as you say that, I'm thinking about Jason.
He purposely runs a Windows virtual machine on his Mac to use those PC specific applications
for what he does. Yeah, that's definitely a way to do it. He just hasn't been willing
to go full PC yet. Well, I'm doing it for him. You're gonna see. Come on. I'm gonna
get a dirty message. Hey, it's in a booth. That's all that matters. As long as it's in
a booth, man, just keep sending those booths. Jason, really appreciate you, man. Anyway,
it's a lot. And it's also like there's there's definitely days that I'm like, oh, I wonder
why nobody has texted me. And I realize, oh, I don't have that pop up on my computer anymore.
That's telling me I have a text message. Correct. So you've had to revert back to looking at
your phone, revert back to looking at my phone. I've got a charger now on the right beside
my where my computer says, okay, so that's better anyway, because then it's sitting there
on the charger as opposed to in my pocket. Well, as long as this doesn't get you in trouble
with your wife, I think you're okay. No, she doesn't. Because she may have been used to
your responsiveness before. I will tell you, my wife is a teacher. I hear from my wife
way less than she hears from me during the day. Okay, fair enough. I'm like sending her
Instagram stuff, like little videos and things like that. Because I don't know if you other
husbands out there know this, but it's really important that your wife knows that you think
about her during the day, not when or when she's not there. Yeah, during the day. Yeah,
when she's not around you, it's really important that she knows that you think about her. I
will tell you, it does open you up if you have a wife who has a job that's as taxing
as say a fifth grade teacher. It does open you up to feeling a little bit neglected,
because they're not going to respond until five o'clock. Sure. Whenever they get off
work. It's still important. Yes. So make sure, especially if you have a wife that's is in
a position to be able to respond, that you somehow, however you can figure it out, it's
better if it's different from person to person, if you somehow figure out how to let her know
that she's on your mind. That's a little relationship advice. Yeah. That one was for free. No satoshis
needed. Yeah. So I mean, I guess to your point there, you don't have to worry about it as
much. I know my wife has adjusted some, because there are some days that I can be very responsive,
and then there's some days that I'm just so in it that I'm not looking at my phone. And
then I finally see it, and it's like six or seven messages deep, and it's like, oh hey,
how you doing? Love you. Whoops. No, I feel that. For sure I feel that. Yeah. But you
know, there's just little things, and it's going to be little things until it's absolutely
until it makes complete sense. See, but now you get to get on my soapbox and you go, there's
no reason why you can't make this app available for Windows. There's no reason why it can't
be made available for an Android. Yeah. It's funny to me though, like how many apps the
way that it's made available is through a browser. Yes. I'm like, this sucks. I don't
like using a browser for mail. Sorry. It was just weird to me. Yeah. Google, get your crap
together. Like, what's going on there? I don't get that. That doesn't no likey. But I was
trying to play music. I have had like all of my music through Apple Music now for so
long like it's like all my friends that are on Spotify. I'm like, I don't I don't know
what to do with you. You can install the world's worst malware on your PC and install iTunes.
Really? I don't recommend it. Let's not do that then. But the way that they have it is
through a browser. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is disgusting. Yeah. Why? Anyway, I don't
know why they have this perception internally that if we make our killer apps available
to another platform, now people are just naturally going to leap to that other platform. Like,
I don't see it that way at all. You bring your apps to another platform, you're now
just growing the people using your application. I mean, there's a lot of people who would
love to have iMessage and FaceTime on an Android. Yeah, but then they have a crappy camera.
Hey, don't get me started. Don't get me started. Pixels have a pretty sweet camera. Pixels
have a fantastic camera. Yes, they do. Marques Brownlee has a side by side that he or he
always does like the end of the year, I guess, or something like that. He does a camera,
like bracket. Yeah. Right. And I mean, pixel is very commonly the top one. Yes, they've
come a long way. The cameras on my not Microsoft on Google phones for a while were pretty subpar.
But since going into pixel, they've really kicked up what they're doing. Well, and what's
interesting to me is it seems like because he does like he'll show you the whole thing,
like he does a side by side people vote. And like there's a bracket and you're a and being
all of these different same picture, but taken from two different phones. And you're a and
being all these different things. It's funny to me how many times it's just the brighter
picture that wins. And, and I'm not like there, there are people that are trying to like figure
out contrast and stuff like that. And they're there, whatever pixel peeping you can actually
do in something like that. But they're they're looking at the that and now they're they're
judging how well the AI responds and different things. All of that is a is is a thing but
it is very much like a hey, we took these two pictures side by side, like at the same
time, same person or, you know, subject the same like they do all of that the same. And
they are just saying which one's better left or right. They're not giving you anything
other than that. And it's so funny, like, the pixel is legitimately a really good camera
taking device that it is. And now it all comes with AI. Hmm. Which is just a totally different
like what are we even doing anymore? No telling. I love the I love the AI like, you know, pictures
of like, Trump and Biden cooking Thanksgiving together and things like that. It's just like
it's good for funny pictures. There you go. I mean, it happened. And it's good for obviously
it's on the internet. Morphed up, messed up hands. Oh, yeah. Chris used an AI picture.
He was he was looking for pictures of Jesus taking selfies. And he used those for Sunday,
which was hilarious. Evidently, there are some that are not like, not necessarily respectful.
But they're the one of the ones that he used had the whole like, common problem with with
AI photos is if there's a table in it, and then that table like gets blocked by a person,
the other end of the table will be like bigger than the first end of the table. Yeah, like,
or the person will have a head and no body like, or the horse has five legs. Yeah. Anyway,
it's funny. Like I just think it's fantastic. But that's the world we live in now. Yeah.
So you know, we didn't really come up with a winner here. But
Well, that's a tough debate. I don't it's not in my mind. It's not even a debate. Like
it's it's a there are obviously two very, like, popular options. Correct. Sorry, Linux,
you're useful for some things. But good for a server. Yeah, the majority of the time,
I think, this like huge revenue stream that is personal computers. Yeah. Yeah, I don't
know that Linux is ever going to make the leap. I've been hearing it forever. Kind of
like I've been hearing about IPv6 forever. It's becoming generational, man, IPv6. That
is going to be the wave of the future. Three, we're going to have no choice. We've got to
have we've truly officially ran out of IPv4. Yeah, there's no there's supposedly, which
is probably why our internet so shoddy right now, because somebody's using our IP address.
So yeah, it's, it's tough. I mean, you can get, you know, a bunch of people in the room
and put both in front of them. And it's sometimes hard to know who's going to pick which. Yeah.
I mean, the creative types are naturally going to go Mac, it appears to me still. And that's
definitely who they try to cater to. Yes. And then you're more geeky type, if they can't
get a Linux box, they're going to take Windows, because you can install a full Linux kernel
and run it in Windows. That's true. So you get you get a bonus computer. Why not? Why
would we make you not be able to do that? And it's so seamlessly integrated into Windows.
I mean, it's amazing. But then you got guys like Chad. And I'm like, what? Well, you are
like firmly in the Mac camp. He drank the Kool-Aid. He is pretty nerdy. I mean, he drank
the Kool-Aid. Really good friend. Love that guy. He's a nerd. Him and Cody both drank
the Kool-Aid. Yeah. Oh, for sure they did. Drink the Kool-Aid, no going back. So anyway,
if Chad or Cody are listening, they're probably yelling at me for using the PC at work. I'm
sorry. You finally come around. That's what's necessary right now for my journey. He found
out the cookies weren't so good on the Mac side. I don't know. Those cookies are pretty
delicious. Anyway, so well, before we sounds like we're wrapping. Yeah, we're wrapping
up. We've got a boost. We got a boost. Is it Jason? It is. Of course it's Jason. It is.
I love you, Jason. Yes. And there's numerology to go with it. Okay. What's the numerology?
Can you figure it out? 5424. So 5424. The life world and everything is in the middle
of it. I don't know. No, that's 44. That's yeah. 42. Yes. Life, the universe and everything.
5424. 5424. 5424. I don't know. May the 4th, 2024. Hey, may the 4th be with you. Yes. His
message is may the 4th be with you. Couldn't resist. Couldn't resist. So way to go, Chris.
There it is. So anybody else out there listening, you can send the boost too. Especially if
you're from Australia. Yeah, I need a download. Come on, guys. Just one. Just one. Like I've
said before, you don't even have to listen. I just need the download. Give me the download.
I complete the set. It's all, I'm good. I don't care if you listen. I just want the
download. Don't make me have to use a VPN and fake it. Because we can do that. Yeah,
we can totally do that. Because I'm not, I'm not going to get into Antarctica. I'm okay
with that. That's fine. But I want Australia. But Australia would be really nice. Yes. It's
the one continent we haven't hit. Man. Other than Antarctica. Yeah. We're not going to
get. Yeah, no, you're not going to get that. Those penguins, they have a hard time with.
Yeah, they don't like podcasts. Clicking on the button. So. But I did see a study the
other day that said people who listen to podcasts are more intelligent than those who don't.
Well it would definitely be the, that would be the case with penguins. If there's a penguin
listening to a podcast, I guarantee he's more intelligent than the other penguins. Yes,
yes he is. Yes he is. So. Well, I don't know if we've swayed anybody. Oh gosh. One way
or the other. We technically pulled in some Android into that. But. I mean, of course,
because it's necessary to talk about now that everything is related. Yeah. Well, I still
say PC for the win. I know you do. It's still the language of business. It's still the language
of business. Yeah. I just had to get a license of M365 in order to run mobile apps on an
iPad. Really? Yeah. For work. Oh yeah. Yeah. So. Sorry, I was looking for a.
Meme that I saw the other day that said that some language, the word for penguin is business
goose. Business goose, okay. If you just translate it directly. Anyway, business goose. For those
of you that are. Oh yeah. The world is a vast hellscape right now. But remember the Mandarin
word for penguin literally translates to business goose. Just trying to let you know. Penguin's
business geese. Business geese. All right. Keep that in mind. Appreciate you brother.
Thanks for buying me a beer. Yep. Enjoyed it. See you everybody. See you. Hey everybody.
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