1 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Hey man. 2 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Hey, how's it going? 3 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Good, how are you? 4 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Doing good. 5 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Yeah, we're making it. 6 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Yes. 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,000 It's the end of the school year. 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,000 I'm a little bit tired, to be honest with you. 9 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,000 I bet. 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Yeah, Garrett has graduation tomorrow night. 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Ah! 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Yes. 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Ah! 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Yes. 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,000 No. 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Garrett. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Yeah? 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,000 I saw him at the renewing of your vows, I got to spend a little time hanging around him 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:08,000 and I just am, I mean, that's a man. 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Yeah. 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Wow. 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,000 That happened. 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Yeah, it did. 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,000 So, hey, what are we drinking tonight? 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Tonight, we have a can. 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000 It's a can. 27 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 It's a rare, rare appearance. 28 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,000 This is actually, I think they're Fort Worth, possibly, those guys? 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Fort Worth, yep, Martin House Brewing. 30 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Martin House, this is the Bach Slider, Toadies Texas Bach. 31 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,000 It says on the side, music and beer made in Texas by Texans. 32 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Yes, well, I do like the Toadies. 33 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Toadies. 34 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Yes. 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,000 I'm just saying, that was a very satisfying... 36 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Show beer. 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,000 ...open. 38 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Click. 39 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Yep. 40 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Oh, that is very nice. 41 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Way to go, Martin House. 42 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,000 I can recommend, good job. 43 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Oh yeah, that's good. 44 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Nice, nice, darker... 45 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,000 As we were saying, it's the Faux Shiner. 46 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Faux Shiner. 47 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 It's a little bit darker than Shiner, right? 48 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,000 I mean, I can't actually see it right now. 49 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,000 It might be a little bit. 50 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:17,000 It tastes a little darker than Shiner to me, which is, I mean, it is very pleasant. 51 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Yes. 52 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 So, don't be thinking like heavy, it's great. 53 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,000 I like that. 54 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Yep. 55 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Well done. 56 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Nice call, man. 57 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Yeah. 58 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:31,000 I had one single bottle in the fridge and I was like, well, I guess I'm going to go buy 59 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,000 something. 60 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Well, I really appreciate you letting me mooch off you because I've been up here working 61 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000 all day long. 62 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 No problem. 63 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 And did not get a chance to run out, but... 64 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Because I just came from practice. 65 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Yes, you did. 66 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,000 They are in there practicing still, and I was like, I gotta go. 67 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,000 I got stuff I gotta do. 68 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Oh, man. 69 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,000 Sometimes you just need a break. 70 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Sometimes you just need a break. 71 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 It's going to be good. 72 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Sunday is going to be great. 73 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Just not quite ready for it. 74 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Even Jesus took breaks. 75 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 That's right. 76 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 He did. 77 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 It was very necessary. 78 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Yes. 79 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Way more necessary than we want to think sometimes. 80 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Yep. 81 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaking of break, so with summer break coming up, do you all have any plans? 82 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Your summer break is the end of summer break. 83 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Hey, Mack, you're finally waking up. 84 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,000 My summer break is really work because camp kicks off. 85 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Camp kicks off and you're like going. 86 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Yes. 87 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 But then at the end of... 88 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,000 At the end of it all, yes. 89 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:45,000 I know next week, Victoria and Michelle are doing their trip with the flags. 90 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,000 They're going to whichever Disney is in California. 91 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,000 I'm sorry. 92 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,000 That's Disneyland. 93 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Sorry. 94 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Drinking the beer. 95 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Disneyland. 96 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 They're going to Disneyland. 97 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Yes. 98 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Something to do with flags and some event that they're going to be in. 99 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 So they're going to do that. 100 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Like marching band flags? 101 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Yes, but minus the band, I believe, on this trip. 102 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Interesting. 103 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,000 It's just flags. 104 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Just the flags. 105 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Yes. 106 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 So they're going to be out there for that. 107 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,000 So Garrett and I will be batching it, so to speak. 108 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Nice. 109 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Beyond that, I'm not sure what's going on this summer. 110 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Garrett is aged out of camp. 111 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,000 He sure has. 112 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,000 So we've only got one kiddo going to camp this summer. 113 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,000 I'm sure there will be some trip at some point in the second half of summer. 114 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,000 But as of right now, I think people are just looking forward to getting out of school. 115 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Yes, because graduation for Garrett. 116 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Tomorrow night. 117 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:48,000 I'm not ready. 118 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000 It's not something I need to be ready for. 119 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,000 You've got time. 120 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Yikes. 121 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,000 I'll be doing this again in three years. 122 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Only three years. 123 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,000 Only three. 124 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Yes, when mine happen, though, they're going to go one, two, and three. 125 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Yes, they are. 126 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Which also is like, wow, what were we thinking? 127 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Which we weren't. 128 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,000 I mean, that's not how adoption works. 129 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 No. 130 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 But still. 131 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Still. 132 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Yep. 133 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Okay. 134 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Is your Mac working? 135 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000 My Mac is working. 136 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 It just, it needed an update. 137 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 That's all. 138 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Don't, don't tell me you don't know what that's like, Windows guy over there. 139 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 I know what it's like. 140 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 But not during a show. 141 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Not during a show. 142 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,000 I should have, I, you know, sometimes you accidentally hit the button. 143 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 I'm going to mute it because that's too much noise. 144 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,000 There you go. 145 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Yeah. 146 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 So we, we're going to talk today. 147 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Try not to get too heated. 148 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 I'm trying not to get too heated. 149 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,000 We're going to talk Macs and PCs. 150 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Yeah. 151 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,000 So. 152 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 The computer civil war. 153 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 The computer civil war. 154 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,000 It has been, you know, since the eighties. 155 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Right? 156 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Yeah. 157 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Yeah. 158 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Yeah. 159 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Since the eighties, it was a little bit. 160 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,000 It was a little bit different before the eighties in terms of who the players were. 161 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Yeah. 162 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Cause it was, it was really more business than anything. 163 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Yeah. 164 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 You didn't, you didn't have business. 165 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Well, I guess there were technically some little home kit computers that you could buy. 166 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Well, that's technically how Apple started. 167 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Yeah. 168 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Being a home kit computer. 169 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Yeah. 170 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,000 But like the ones that I'm, I can't think of the model, but it literally just looks 171 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,000 like a box with blinking lights on the front. 172 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Yeah. 173 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,000 I mean, and I look, here's, here's what I would tell you. 174 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,000 I think that it's funny given where we are now and some of the things that I know are 175 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:06,000 going to come up here in a second that I think that there things started off very differently 176 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:15,000 than where we are now in terms of vision, I guess of what this could be. 177 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:23,000 So this, you know, little device that we have in front of us, and we're just going to stick 178 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 right now with computers. 179 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Okay. 180 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Fair enough. 181 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:33,000 We can, we can call in other things, but I feel like the main point of what we're talking 182 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,000 about needs to, needs to stay kind of in this realm. 183 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Okay. 184 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:46,000 I am definitely going to reference an ecosystem, but I think that, I think that that needs to 185 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 be like, that's secondary. 186 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Fair enough. 187 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Okay. 188 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 So why don't you talk us through some of the history here? 189 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Oh boy. 190 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Do you have this off the top of your head? 191 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,000 I'm, I'm totally throwing this at you right now. 192 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,000 No, I, I can't say that I prepared for this and maybe as much as I needed to. 193 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Okay. 194 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,000 So bear with me folks. 195 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,000 No, it's fine. 196 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,000 Just what you remember. 197 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,000 How about this? 198 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,000 As someone who was there. 199 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,000 There you go. 200 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Now you make me sound old. 201 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Well you weren't in California either, but. 202 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 No, I was not. 203 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:26,000 So I guess thinking back to childhood, I remember Max in the school, the only thing we ever did 204 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,000 was play Oregon trail. 205 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,000 That's right. 206 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,000 And almost nobody survived Oregon trail because you died of dysentery. 207 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Dysentery was a killer for sure. 208 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 And trying to forward that river. 209 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:42,000 There is a fun meme out there too about dying from dysentery, but it's not the disease. 210 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000 It's from dissing the guy named Terry. 211 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 That's hilarious. 212 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,000 I'll have to send that to you. 213 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Yeah. 214 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:53,000 My wife likes to, likes, likes the shirt that's come out. 215 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:59,000 That's it's got the Oregon trail like wagon on it in eight bit. 216 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Yep. 217 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Green. 218 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Yes. 219 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Green on black screen. 220 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 And it just says, bear with me. 221 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 I'm from the 1900s. 222 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 There you go. 223 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,000 So I wish I could remember what models those were. 224 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 That was early, early Mac. 225 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Yeah. 226 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000 You're talking 80. 227 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:27,000 First Mac that was in my, or Apple that was in my house was an Apple II GS. 228 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Okay. 229 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,000 And I don't feel like the ones we had at school were a lot further along than that. 230 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Because that was like when I was in the second grade. 231 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Yeah, for me, this would have been 80, 85. 232 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 That's earlier than 85. 233 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Yeah. 234 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Because that's when we, yeah, because we moved here in 85 back home in Indiana. 235 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,000 I didn't see this. 236 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Yeah. 237 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 It was when we moved here in 85. 238 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000 Okay. 239 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 I'm third grade. 240 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Okay. 241 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Yeah. 242 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Third grade. 243 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:04,000 There was, there was the Macs and you had the big bad computer lab, but all you ever 244 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 saw anybody doing was playing video games. 245 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 That's right. 246 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,000 And I will tell you, five years later, that's all we were doing there too. 247 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Correct. 248 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Well, we had Where in the World was Carmen Sandiego. 249 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Do you remember that game? 250 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000 I do remember that game. 251 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Oh my gosh. 252 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,000 That, and I remember Mavis Beacon teaches typing. 253 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:25,000 Mavis Beacon teaches typing the quick brown fox jumping over that lazy dog. 254 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Yes. 255 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 No, absolutely. 256 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,000 These are all like, that's, that's what we started with. 257 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 And it was, and it was Apple. 258 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 Yes. 259 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Apple had that first foray into like, Hey, probably education's where we need to start. 260 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Correct. 261 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000 And that was brilliant. 262 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Oh yeah. 263 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Absolutely. 264 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Oh yeah. 265 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000 But it had an interesting effect on me. 266 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,000 I don't know if it had this effect on you. 267 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Having that computer at school actually made me want a PC more. 268 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Interesting. 269 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:04,520 Because there were freedoms that you had not at school and on PCs that you didn't have 270 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,760 with Apple. 271 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:12,320 I could put that stinking file folder anywhere I wanted. 272 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,320 That's true. 273 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,320 Anywhere you wanted. 274 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,320 Yes. 275 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:16,640 It did not snap to a grid. 276 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:17,640 Correct. 277 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:26,600 So looking back at this, we had the Macintosh Plus, which was the screen and everything 278 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:27,600 all in one. 279 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:28,600 All in one. 280 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:29,600 With the floppy. 281 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:30,760 Gone back to that, didn't they? 282 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,920 Yeah, they have gone back to the all in one. 283 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,320 So yeah, this is showing. 284 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,320 Like floppy floppy. 285 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:42,660 Three, is that three and a half? 286 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:43,920 I thought that was a big one. 287 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,560 I didn't think the three and a half was until later. 288 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:51,800 Well, at least the one that's in this picture is showing it with a three and a half inch. 289 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:52,800 How about that? 290 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Yep. 291 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:54,800 Yeah. 292 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,520 That's three and a half inch hard disk. 293 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,320 With the single button mouse. 294 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,320 Single button mouse folks. 295 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,680 And the big clickety clack keyboard. 296 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:08,600 PC came out with that right click and I was like, what is going on? 297 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,440 They just, I mean, they're just going to have all kinds of buttons on these things after 298 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:14,440 a while. 299 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,160 And they have now. 300 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,160 And they have now. 301 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,800 And of course they both stole it from Xerox. 302 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,800 Yeah. 303 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:20,800 Way to go Xerox. 304 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,320 Yeah, I'm afraid Xerox kind of got screwed. 305 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,320 Yeah. 306 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,520 They had some great stuff, but just didn't know what to do with it. 307 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,520 Poor guys. 308 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,520 Stolen. 309 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,680 Shouldn't have showed your product off. 310 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:39,160 Well, but you know, should they though? 311 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,760 We're so grateful that they did. 312 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:41,760 Yeah. 313 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:49,240 They're just not quite as cutthroat as it turned out it was going to be. 314 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,240 Which I can appreciate. 315 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,680 You get out there and you have some good ideas and then you realize, oh, these other people 316 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,240 are like playing for keeps. 317 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,400 I didn't realize this was going to be proprietary. 318 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,400 Yeah. 319 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,800 Well, even then, I mean, I don't think anybody could have envisioned the home PC market. 320 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:05,800 Yeah. 321 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:11,920 Cause I mean, you're talking that was still back 70s when they raised Xerox and saw the 322 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:12,920 mouse. 323 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:13,920 And I was like, oh, that's interesting. 324 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,240 I was like, why would, what would we do with that? 325 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,080 We don't even have a GUI yet. 326 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,080 It was all still command line. 327 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,080 You said GUI. 328 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,080 I did say GUI. 329 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,480 So GUI, graphic user interface. 330 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Yes. 331 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,240 So those don't remember the difference. 332 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:36,840 There was, there was a, like now if you open up your computer and you look at like, I'm 333 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,840 going to say terminal. 334 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,840 Terminal. 335 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,640 There you go. 336 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,680 You can, you can look at, you can look at a terminal. 337 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:50,520 You can actually like Seth Stone, one of our friends can just do everything you do with 338 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,440 the mouse in the terminal, in the terminal. 339 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,440 Yes. 340 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,400 He's, he's way smarter than me. 341 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,400 Yes. 342 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:06,160 But that's actually like, that's, that's speaking more of the language of what the computer 343 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,360 is actually speaking in that command line than what we're used to. 344 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:17,280 What you see on your device, in your screen all of the time now, all of the time is a 345 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,280 GUI. 346 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,280 Yep. 347 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,520 It's a graphic user, user interface. 348 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,240 It makes sense to your eyes what's going on inside the computer. 349 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Yep. 350 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,200 Back in my day. 351 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,520 Back in Chris's day. 352 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,000 All command line. 353 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000 MS-DOS. 354 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Yeah. 355 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,880 I don't, I don't, I'm not sorry that that evolved to be honest with you. 356 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,840 I miss it. 357 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:46,320 But we started to see, I guess in this GUI, started to see some of the differences that 358 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:52,280 would pop up between Apple and PC. 359 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,280 Yep. 360 00:14:53,280 --> 00:15:02,440 We're, I already referenced one that like SnapGrid that showed up on Apple. 361 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:08,000 I feel like you started to see even then the beginnings of this, like we, in order to make 362 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,520 this not break, we need more control. 363 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,760 More control, yes. 364 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:18,680 And so Apple started taking the line of, do it our way. 365 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,240 We're going to, we're going to, we're going to give you as, as my friend Chad says, we're 366 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,400 going to give you what you want. 367 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,640 You just don't know it yet. 368 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,640 Yes. 369 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,360 I just, you don't know, you don't know what you want. 370 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,800 Let me tell you what you want. 371 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Yep. 372 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,800 And there've been so many times that it's been like, holy crap, that was exactly what 373 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:35,800 I wanted. 374 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,320 And then there's so many times I'm like, why did you change that? 375 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,320 Yeah. 376 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,160 That was, that was not an improvement. 377 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,160 We want our ports back. 378 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,160 Yeah. 379 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,800 If it doesn't have ports, you can't call it a pro. 380 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,300 And you know what? 381 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:49,560 We got our ports back. 382 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:50,560 You did. 383 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,560 Yeah. 384 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:52,560 I'm just saying that's important. 385 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:53,560 You did. 386 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,640 Power to the people. 387 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,160 But PCs started having more freedom. 388 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,160 Yeah. 389 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,760 They definitely left it more open to expression. 390 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:05,760 Yeah. 391 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:06,760 Expression, your interpretation. 392 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,320 How did, how did you want to use the device versus we're going to show you how to use 393 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:12,320 it? 394 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,320 Right. 395 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:22,040 PC became more early on the language of business versus at home. 396 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,600 They got really heavily entrenched in business. 397 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,400 Again, they just took a completely different approach than Apple. 398 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,960 Apple's like, we're going to catch you in school. 399 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:31,960 Microsoft said, that's fine. 400 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:32,960 We'll take the businesses. 401 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:41,240 And so you just had such a proliferation of Microsoft, not just at the OS, but, you know, 402 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,760 the, uh, emergence of Microsoft office, office, baby. 403 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,960 Was it necessarily the best office package out there? 404 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,120 But they competed and they drove everybody else slowly out of the market. 405 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,340 Well here's what I think that they did really well. 406 00:16:57,340 --> 00:17:03,020 And this is going to dovetail into what I think Apple has done really well. 407 00:17:03,020 --> 00:17:12,120 So Microsoft, um, did not give you just a word document or word processor doc, a word 408 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:14,620 processor program, word processor. 409 00:17:14,620 --> 00:17:22,960 They gave you a word processor program and they gave you a data management program data. 410 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,000 I don't know. 411 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Field. 412 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Talking about spreadsheets. 413 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Yeah. 414 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Or yeah. 415 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Excel. 416 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Yep. 417 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,000 I was like, not spreadsheets. 418 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Let's Google. 419 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Yeah. 420 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,640 Um, but they gave you a word, they gave you Excel, they gave you PowerPoint, which can 421 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:45,960 you remember like the insanity that was PowerPoint whenever that first came out, we had that 422 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:52,120 we, we immediately started making like that was a, that was part of school. 423 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:55,800 What you had to be doing was PowerPoint. 424 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:56,800 Yeah. 425 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:57,800 Presentations. 426 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,240 I mean, in high school we had a dedicated class at all you learned was Microsoft office. 427 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,240 Yeah. 428 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,240 That was it. 429 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,240 Yeah. 430 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,240 There's nothing else to the class. 431 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,360 You're just going to learn how to use office. 432 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,360 Yeah. 433 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:13,160 I think it was, um, I guess I was in high school. 434 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,520 I feel like it, like we started to do some of it in middle school, but the, the like 435 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:24,460 you need to know, like you need to be proficient in order to be a college student, you need 436 00:18:24,460 --> 00:18:28,040 to be proficient in word and Excel. 437 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,040 Yes. 438 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,040 And probably PowerPoint. 439 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,040 Yep. 440 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:36,360 And I remember thinking like these like programs that are not this, like they're, they, they 441 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:41,040 serve different, um, purposes, very different purposes. 442 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,000 They are very different, but they work together so well. 443 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,040 Yes. 444 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,320 And I feel like that's what, uh, they did so well. 445 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,200 There was that they, they were like, Hey, there are all these different aspects of work 446 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,080 or life. 447 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,920 And what you really want is a unification of those things. 448 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:04,680 You want to, you want to be able to look up at the file menu or whatever and, and know 449 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,200 what to expect there. 450 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,200 Yep. 451 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:13,600 Which I would say like, honestly, they did a fantastic job of making that so predictable. 452 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,600 Yep. 453 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:15,600 They did. 454 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:28,680 And I think, I think that that is underrated in terms of not only a lot of our intuition 455 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:36,000 now with computer programs, um, but also what, what it then brought to like their products 456 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,000 in general. 457 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Yep. 458 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Yeah. 459 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,760 Looking at this, the first official release of office was October of 1990. 460 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:55,040 So, so, so when I took that class in high school, it was a required class. 461 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:04,800 And so looking at this timeframe, we would have been using like word version six. 462 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:13,440 And I think now they're technically up to 14 or 16 or whatever the 463 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,920 It's 365. 464 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,920 I'm sorry. 465 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,920 Sorry. 466 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:17,920 All right. 467 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,320 Yes, it was oh, three 65. 468 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,800 Now it's in three 65. 469 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,160 Oh, in three years, we'll call it something else. 470 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,160 Sure. 471 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,160 Why not? 472 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,080 They're going the opposite direction though. 473 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,360 They shouldn't be in and then in and then, oh, it's fine. 474 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:39,600 So I guess looking at this, technically the last version of offices, they're calling it 475 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,240 was version 16. 476 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,520 Okay. 477 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,240 Don't you go over 365. 478 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,400 It's looks like it's a whole nother whole nother animal. 479 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:55,040 Okay, but here's where I think Apple has kind of run away with it. 480 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,040 Okay. 481 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,400 And I'm just going to say this. 482 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:05,120 And I understand what it does to your insides when I say this. 483 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:10,520 I do I get it. 484 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:17,920 I guess partially because of their control, like their obsessive compulsive control thing 485 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:29,480 that they have, they have made it possible for their I mean, it's called the ecosystem 486 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:36,180 for a reason for their ecosystem to be so far reaching. 487 00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:39,080 I'll talk about the problem with that in a second. 488 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,080 Okay. 489 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:54,320 But the fact that I have seamless and by seamless, I mean, almost not like I don't have to set 490 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,160 it up. 491 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:11,600 Seas integration through a computer, a phone, a watch and a tablet and my TV. Now, I have 492 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:19,080 the ability to read messages, like text messages and respond read and respond to text messages, 493 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:30,520 I can read and respond to emails. Maybe not so much on the TV with the emails. I can I 494 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:37,400 can my like browser history is across all these devices. If I'm like, I can't remember 495 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,080 what was I looking at the other day that I Oh, no, it's just right there. It shows all 496 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,640 of that. 497 00:22:45,640 --> 00:23:02,120 I can now use apps from like a mobile operating system on a computer operating system. Yeah. 498 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:12,040 There's so much like so much integration within itself that their ecosystem makes it hard 499 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,040 to leave. 500 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,240 Sure, that's by design. 501 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,240 Once you've gotten in. Yes. And I don't I don't just mean hard to leave because you 502 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,560 might miss some messages. I mean hard to leave because it's so nice to just not have to worry 503 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:33,000 about it. Sure. In so many ways. And I'm not saying that other places don't do this to 504 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:39,440 some extent or have some of these features, or even had some of these features first. 505 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,520 Correct. 506 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:46,880 But it's not the same level. In my opinion. 507 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,480 Yes. So trigger warning, but he just described is what I call the mindless drone effect. 508 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:58,000 Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Just I'm not hurt. I'm not hurt. Just come right on along. Don't 509 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:05,280 look over there. Just put blinders on. Okay, it's fine. It's fine. This will be fine. I'm 510 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:13,600 following the end front of me. Yes. That was your saying? Yes. Lennings baby Lennings. So 511 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:20,240 I guess I still kind of maybe I've still got something stuck in my crawl. Yeah. Microsoft 512 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:27,440 tried to go that way. Did they and they got destroyed in the 90s. Okay, tell me about 513 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:33,360 that. Oh, you can't you can't make people use your your browser. What do you mean it 514 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:40,160 can't come pre installed with some other browser? Why do we have to use your stuff to get other 515 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,680 stuff? Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's that's why they got beat the heck and back to try 516 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,240 to put it politely for trying to go their own way and all the business for like, Whoa, 517 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,760 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. They like start if they want to strip out legacy. It's a nightmare. 518 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,000 Because business like we still use that you can't remove that. You're going to cripple 519 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,840 our business. And it's like, Yeah, you you should have updated by now sucker. Let's let's 520 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:16,600 move on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they got totally roasted for that. And in the end, they ultimately 521 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,400 didn't have a court case, it kind of got settled. Because the government and everybody had to 522 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:27,640 admit that they really didn't have much of a case. They don't have a case. No, they didn't. 523 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,200 That that wasn't the perception. Yeah, it's Court of Opinion. Court of Opinion. They got 524 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,120 Yes, they got destroyed. Yes. And if even to some degree now, if they still try to do 525 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:44,480 that, there's a lot of screaming and him and and howling going on. And it's like, guys, 526 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:53,000 this legacy codes got to go. You got you got to you got to let you got to let it be. So, 527 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,520 I mean, there's good and bad to being in an ecosystem. Yes, I'm stuck in some of that 528 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:06,480 with Android. Yes, I can't. I cannot deny that. I am thankful that some things do translate 529 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:15,960 into other operating systems in terms of applications. Huge fan of what is it movies anywhere? That 530 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:24,240 lets my library. Yeah, that's your library from one such a great thing. Yeah, that I 531 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,640 leave here and I go to some other platform that supports it just comes right on over. 532 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:37,560 And that nice. It's amazing how that how that works. Do I think I could leave Android? I 533 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:47,280 do. I would give anything for this to just be a basic flip phone with a hotspot, bro. 534 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:53,400 And then I would just have my computer with it. I am I'd be done. I am there as long as 535 00:26:53,400 --> 00:27:00,520 I get to keep the blue bubbles. That's not the way it works in Apple land. No, it's not. 536 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:07,560 I give everybody the green dot. Yes, you do every time, every time, which is, you know, 537 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:15,960 less of a thing. And it's so funny that they turn that up on on its head for Apple. We 538 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,300 I got the you were we were talking about this the other day. So there's a funny thing that 539 00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:25,000 happens and I think no matter which side of this you're on, you know that this is the 540 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:32,360 case. So there's a green dots or the green bubbles on an Apple device whenever an Android 541 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:42,400 device is or non Apple device when a non Apple device is in a chat with your a message, a 542 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,880 text message with you. They're green bubbles instead of blue bubbles. Yes. And it used 543 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:55,720 to be that when you would respond to a blue or a green bubble with like an emoji emoji 544 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:02,880 or something like that, it would like, you know, reply to that message, it would look 545 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:14,880 fine on an Apple device. And on an Android device, you would see the or no, it was when 546 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,280 an Android device responded to an Apple message, you would see the Apple device would see the 547 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:27,480 like regular response and an Android device would see the like explanation of the response. 548 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:33,080 Is that right? Yeah, you I would I would get the I can't remember emphasize emphasize. 549 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:39,080 It's like, oh, it's like, oh, my gosh, it's not social media, but it is social media. 550 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:47,360 Stop it. And now it's the other way around. I'm just saying it's a power move. Don't 551 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,120 don't don't like my text message. Don't like your text message. Okay, don't give me. I 552 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,080 do need to remember that because sometimes I do that instead of giving a thumbs up for 553 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:03,040 like I got it. Yeah, I think you did that earlier. I'm sure I did. Because that sounds 554 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,280 like me very much to me. There you gave just the normal thumbs up, which I'm okay with. 555 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,560 It's its own. It's its own thing. But I thought on one of these, maybe it was somebody else 556 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:17,360 that I like that somebody it was like the little thumbs up type like on on the message 557 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,720 on the message itself. And it's like, oh, come on, man. Yeah, no, I've done that before 558 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:31,160 for sure. I really like doing it to Paul because sending emojis to Paul is just kind of funny. 559 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Our friend Paul is he's a year younger than me. And he's he's already an old man in so 560 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:46,040 many ways. Like if you want to really treat Paul to some sort of candy, he wants black 561 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:53,520 licorice or where there's originals. He's like 80 years old already. Okay. Really against 562 00:29:53,520 --> 00:30:01,120 anything that tastes good except for steak. So anyway, so I'm going to throw my boss 563 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:07,320 under the bus here. Oh, here goes. He was the last one that I see that did it, who responded 564 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:16,500 to a text message with the emphasize thumbs up to the message itself. Yeah. Not an emoji 565 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:26,040 return thumbs up. I'm just saying it's Apple's fault. It's Apple's fault. But they do want 566 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:35,520 it to be social media. They want it to to feel like you're social media is the devil 567 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:45,360 socializing. I'll be Bobby Boucher's mom. It's the devil devil. Devil woman. But how 568 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:51,760 do you like Okay, here's here's the thing. Like I have never been able to like someone 569 00:30:51,760 --> 00:31:07,400 who really likes PCs. Someone who really likes the operating system of windows. Guilty. I 570 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:19,640 have never been able to convince anyone who likes the other that they should like this 571 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,880 one better. I don't know what that is. It's it's almost like it's not a personality type 572 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:33,080 thing. I don't think it's it's more of like a comfort level is what it feels like to me. 573 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:41,040 Yeah, I think it comes down to what is intuitive to the individual. You know, I can use a Mac. 574 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:47,320 I have to for work because I've got to support them. But if I had to work every day on a 575 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:54,840 Mac, I would pull my hair out. Just because I intuitive to you. It's not comfortable to 576 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:02,520 me. No. And some of that is I've just known windows since I was a kid. And the Mac is 577 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:09,600 fine. It's got some pretty stuff. You know, but it's pretty. Yes. But it's just it's not 578 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:18,440 home for me. Well, and a PC was home for me for so long. I feel like I went all the way 579 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:26,760 through college from from I don't know, I feel like it was high school and college. 580 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,080 But that was the huge majority of when I was actually doing anything functional on a computer. 581 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:37,400 Sure. Other than playing video games, video games, or can't do well on a Mac. But you 582 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:44,120 know, back in the day, Oregon Trail worked just fine. Yes, it did. There was a flight 583 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:51,280 simulator that I feel like worked fine too. Anyway, at some point. No, that's what it 584 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,640 was. My friend had a flight simulator and it worked on his PC at home. And I was like, 585 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:06,080 wow, that's nice. I can play putt putt on my Apple computer. Anyway, so but I would 586 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:13,840 say like I was until after college was still knew how to use a Mac was kind of keeping 587 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,360 up with some of the changes that were happening because there were so many changes that were 588 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:27,560 happening. Yeah, they're in the late 90s and early 2000s. graduated from college in 2005 589 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:42,520 to 2008, which is also the year that I got married. The iPhone becomes a big deal. Yeah. 590 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:53,800 And I remember like this change in in that. Like, oh, this is a thing. Like, my Blackberry 591 00:33:53,800 --> 00:34:00,360 was cool. And now it's not cool. Best physical keyboard ever. Best physical keyboard ever. 592 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,800 And the pearl that had that little of the little ball ball. Yeah, that was amazing. 593 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:14,080 Yes. But it was hard to compete with just using your finger. Yeah, they tried with the 594 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:22,360 storm. I think was there the storm. I think it was storm. That seems right. 595 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:32,760 Anyway, it kind of turned everything on its head. That's when I also switched to Mac. 596 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,200 And I've been using Mac ever since. Part of the reason I wanted to have this conversation, 597 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:44,520 though, is that I'm using a PC at work. I see what you're looking at over here because 598 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,840 I have this Mac still on this table. Yeah, this is the last week for me using this Mac 599 00:34:49,840 --> 00:35:01,800 is like a backup. OK. So I have a PC at work that I am mostly working off of now. The Lenovo? 600 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:11,200 Yeah. OK. Yeah. It's an X1. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm trying to get used to it. Right. There 601 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,360 are things that I realize like, oh, that's not as easy as it used to be, because I also 602 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:27,160 have a lot of Macs in my work area. Sure. Because all of the AV computers that we have 603 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:34,720 are currently Macs, except for one computer that's technically running our live stream. 604 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:43,260 But I don't ever see the operating system for it because it's just that ubiquitous rack 605 00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:52,320 mounted PC. Yeah. And all it does is run the studio that live streams for us. It's pretty 606 00:35:52,320 --> 00:36:01,240 cool how they have that functions. Resi. Yeah. If you don't know, look that one up. But I 607 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:10,000 find myself being a little bit confused sometimes because my old PC mind does not recognize 608 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:17,200 a lot of the operating system anymore. A lot has changed since 95. A lot has changed since 609 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:25,840 95. They tried to make it look pretty. I don't know if they achieved that, but like there's 610 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,320 some of it that I'm like, oh, wow, that I mean, you just have to press there. And that 611 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:36,080 makes sense. It's more in the center. Like, OK, that's that feels a little bit Apple to 612 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,320 put the things in the center as opposed to putting it on the left side bottom row. If 613 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:46,320 you look at mine, whoops, I moved it to the left. See, I didn't even know you could do 614 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,840 that. I don't leave it in the center. I can't do that. Yeah. I didn't even know you could 615 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:55,040 do that. So like there's some things that I got to figure out. But I'm back to using 616 00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:03,160 all. Well, there's still some like our work stuff moved to Google. So I'm trying to figure 617 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:14,040 that out. But anyway, the Microsoft suite, like the office suite is as easy to navigate 618 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:22,640 as it has always been. Absolutely. So appreciate that. Anyway, there's just like there's a 619 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:30,080 lot. And now I'm now I'm like between worlds as opposed to being. Firmly in one. Correct. 620 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:40,400 And again, what it came down to is a lot of the devices that I need to support. Are either 621 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:48,960 better supported from a PC. Or only supported from PC. Yep. And that's kind of the way that 622 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,880 some of this is gone. And that's I guess it's more in the AV world for you. Yeah, it's driving 623 00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:03,820 you that direction. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, well, as you say that, I'm thinking about Jason. 624 00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:12,360 He purposely runs a Windows virtual machine on his Mac to use those PC specific applications 625 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,500 for what he does. Yeah, that's definitely a way to do it. He just hasn't been willing 626 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:27,680 to go full PC yet. Well, I'm doing it for him. You're gonna see. Come on. I'm gonna 627 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,800 get a dirty message. Hey, it's in a booth. That's all that matters. As long as it's in 628 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:39,780 a booth, man, just keep sending those booths. Jason, really appreciate you, man. Anyway, 629 00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:44,640 it's a lot. And it's also like there's there's definitely days that I'm like, oh, I wonder 630 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:52,840 why nobody has texted me. And I realize, oh, I don't have that pop up on my computer anymore. 631 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,480 That's telling me I have a text message. Correct. So you've had to revert back to looking at 632 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,160 your phone, revert back to looking at my phone. I've got a charger now on the right beside 633 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,080 my where my computer says, okay, so that's better anyway, because then it's sitting there 634 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,920 on the charger as opposed to in my pocket. Well, as long as this doesn't get you in trouble 635 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:18,640 with your wife, I think you're okay. No, she doesn't. Because she may have been used to 636 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:27,420 your responsiveness before. I will tell you, my wife is a teacher. I hear from my wife 637 00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:33,200 way less than she hears from me during the day. Okay, fair enough. I'm like sending her 638 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:40,820 Instagram stuff, like little videos and things like that. Because I don't know if you other 639 00:39:40,820 --> 00:39:44,960 husbands out there know this, but it's really important that your wife knows that you think 640 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,760 about her during the day, not when or when she's not there. Yeah, during the day. Yeah, 641 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,680 when she's not around you, it's really important that she knows that you think about her. I 642 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,660 will tell you, it does open you up if you have a wife who has a job that's as taxing 643 00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:07,240 as say a fifth grade teacher. It does open you up to feeling a little bit neglected, 644 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:11,560 because they're not going to respond until five o'clock. Sure. Whenever they get off 645 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:20,880 work. It's still important. Yes. So make sure, especially if you have a wife that's is in 646 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,640 a position to be able to respond, that you somehow, however you can figure it out, it's 647 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:35,640 better if it's different from person to person, if you somehow figure out how to let her know 648 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:42,880 that she's on your mind. That's a little relationship advice. Yeah. That one was for free. No satoshis 649 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:49,200 needed. Yeah. So I mean, I guess to your point there, you don't have to worry about it as 650 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:56,480 much. I know my wife has adjusted some, because there are some days that I can be very responsive, 651 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,880 and then there's some days that I'm just so in it that I'm not looking at my phone. And 652 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,080 then I finally see it, and it's like six or seven messages deep, and it's like, oh hey, 653 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:16,480 how you doing? Love you. Whoops. No, I feel that. For sure I feel that. Yeah. But you 654 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,760 know, there's just little things, and it's going to be little things until it's absolutely 655 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:28,560 until it makes complete sense. See, but now you get to get on my soapbox and you go, there's 656 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:35,520 no reason why you can't make this app available for Windows. There's no reason why it can't 657 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:50,080 be made available for an Android. Yeah. It's funny to me though, like how many apps the 658 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:56,800 way that it's made available is through a browser. Yes. I'm like, this sucks. I don't 659 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:04,240 like using a browser for mail. Sorry. It was just weird to me. Yeah. Google, get your crap 660 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:14,400 together. Like, what's going on there? I don't get that. That doesn't no likey. But I was 661 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:22,840 trying to play music. I have had like all of my music through Apple Music now for so 662 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:29,160 long like it's like all my friends that are on Spotify. I'm like, I don't I don't know 663 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:38,000 what to do with you. You can install the world's worst malware on your PC and install iTunes. 664 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:45,480 Really? I don't recommend it. Let's not do that then. But the way that they have it is 665 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:53,800 through a browser. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is disgusting. Yeah. Why? Anyway, I don't 666 00:42:53,800 --> 00:43:01,840 know why they have this perception internally that if we make our killer apps available 667 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:08,080 to another platform, now people are just naturally going to leap to that other platform. Like, 668 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:13,700 I don't see it that way at all. You bring your apps to another platform, you're now 669 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:19,640 just growing the people using your application. I mean, there's a lot of people who would 670 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:29,880 love to have iMessage and FaceTime on an Android. Yeah, but then they have a crappy camera. 671 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:37,000 Hey, don't get me started. Don't get me started. Pixels have a pretty sweet camera. Pixels 672 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,000 have a fantastic camera. Yes, they do. Marques Brownlee has a side by side that he or he 673 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:49,000 always does like the end of the year, I guess, or something like that. He does a camera, 674 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:59,480 like bracket. Yeah. Right. And I mean, pixel is very commonly the top one. Yes, they've 675 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:10,320 come a long way. The cameras on my not Microsoft on Google phones for a while were pretty subpar. 676 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,840 But since going into pixel, they've really kicked up what they're doing. Well, and what's 677 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,400 interesting to me is it seems like because he does like he'll show you the whole thing, 678 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,320 like he does a side by side people vote. And like there's a bracket and you're a and being 679 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:32,040 all of these different same picture, but taken from two different phones. And you're a and 680 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:37,280 being all these different things. It's funny to me how many times it's just the brighter 681 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:43,800 picture that wins. And, and I'm not like there, there are people that are trying to like figure 682 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,920 out contrast and stuff like that. And they're there, whatever pixel peeping you can actually 683 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,160 do in something like that. But they're they're looking at the that and now they're they're 684 00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:02,440 judging how well the AI responds and different things. All of that is a is is a thing but 685 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:08,320 it is very much like a hey, we took these two pictures side by side, like at the same 686 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:15,840 time, same person or, you know, subject the same like they do all of that the same. And 687 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,760 they are just saying which one's better left or right. They're not giving you anything 688 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:29,560 other than that. And it's so funny, like, the pixel is legitimately a really good camera 689 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:38,560 taking device that it is. And now it all comes with AI. Hmm. Which is just a totally different 690 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:51,360 like what are we even doing anymore? No telling. I love the I love the AI like, you know, pictures 691 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,840 of like, Trump and Biden cooking Thanksgiving together and things like that. It's just like 692 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:05,440 it's good for funny pictures. There you go. I mean, it happened. And it's good for obviously 693 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:16,260 it's on the internet. Morphed up, messed up hands. Oh, yeah. Chris used an AI picture. 694 00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:25,440 He was he was looking for pictures of Jesus taking selfies. And he used those for Sunday, 695 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:36,560 which was hilarious. Evidently, there are some that are not like, not necessarily respectful. 696 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:43,000 But they're the one of the ones that he used had the whole like, common problem with with 697 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,720 AI photos is if there's a table in it, and then that table like gets blocked by a person, 698 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:54,640 the other end of the table will be like bigger than the first end of the table. Yeah, like, 699 00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:02,840 or the person will have a head and no body like, or the horse has five legs. Yeah. Anyway, 700 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:15,320 it's funny. Like I just think it's fantastic. But that's the world we live in now. Yeah. 701 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,280 So you know, we didn't really come up with a winner here. But 702 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:26,680 Well, that's a tough debate. I don't it's not in my mind. It's not even a debate. Like 703 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:38,360 it's it's a there are obviously two very, like, popular options. Correct. Sorry, Linux, 704 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:46,760 you're useful for some things. But good for a server. Yeah, the majority of the time, 705 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:56,880 I think, this like huge revenue stream that is personal computers. Yeah. Yeah, I don't 706 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:04,400 know that Linux is ever going to make the leap. I've been hearing it forever. Kind of 707 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:11,320 like I've been hearing about IPv6 forever. It's becoming generational, man, IPv6. That 708 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:18,400 is going to be the wave of the future. Three, we're going to have no choice. We've got to 709 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:24,320 have we've truly officially ran out of IPv4. Yeah, there's no there's supposedly, which 710 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:31,560 is probably why our internet so shoddy right now, because somebody's using our IP address. 711 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:38,480 So yeah, it's, it's tough. I mean, you can get, you know, a bunch of people in the room 712 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:44,760 and put both in front of them. And it's sometimes hard to know who's going to pick which. Yeah. 713 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:52,240 I mean, the creative types are naturally going to go Mac, it appears to me still. And that's 714 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:59,760 definitely who they try to cater to. Yes. And then you're more geeky type, if they can't 715 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:05,800 get a Linux box, they're going to take Windows, because you can install a full Linux kernel 716 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:14,360 and run it in Windows. That's true. So you get you get a bonus computer. Why not? Why 717 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,400 would we make you not be able to do that? And it's so seamlessly integrated into Windows. 718 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:26,320 I mean, it's amazing. But then you got guys like Chad. And I'm like, what? Well, you are 719 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:35,320 like firmly in the Mac camp. He drank the Kool-Aid. He is pretty nerdy. I mean, he drank 720 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:41,760 the Kool-Aid. Really good friend. Love that guy. He's a nerd. Him and Cody both drank 721 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:51,040 the Kool-Aid. Yeah. Oh, for sure they did. Drink the Kool-Aid, no going back. So anyway, 722 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,560 if Chad or Cody are listening, they're probably yelling at me for using the PC at work. I'm 723 00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:01,560 sorry. You finally come around. That's what's necessary right now for my journey. He found 724 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,440 out the cookies weren't so good on the Mac side. I don't know. Those cookies are pretty 725 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,760 delicious. Anyway, so well, before we sounds like we're wrapping. Yeah, we're wrapping 726 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:17,280 up. We've got a boost. We got a boost. Is it Jason? It is. Of course it's Jason. It is. 727 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:25,120 I love you, Jason. Yes. And there's numerology to go with it. Okay. What's the numerology? 728 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:37,520 Can you figure it out? 5424. So 5424. The life world and everything is in the middle 729 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:45,040 of it. I don't know. No, that's 44. That's yeah. 42. Yes. Life, the universe and everything. 730 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:56,880 5424. 5424. 5424. I don't know. May the 4th, 2024. Hey, may the 4th be with you. Yes. His 731 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:05,800 message is may the 4th be with you. Couldn't resist. Couldn't resist. So way to go, Chris. 732 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:12,440 There it is. So anybody else out there listening, you can send the boost too. Especially if 733 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:18,720 you're from Australia. Yeah, I need a download. Come on, guys. Just one. Just one. Like I've 734 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:24,880 said before, you don't even have to listen. I just need the download. Give me the download. 735 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:31,040 I complete the set. It's all, I'm good. I don't care if you listen. I just want the 736 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:37,120 download. Don't make me have to use a VPN and fake it. Because we can do that. Yeah, 737 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,280 we can totally do that. Because I'm not, I'm not going to get into Antarctica. I'm okay 738 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,280 with that. That's fine. But I want Australia. But Australia would be really nice. Yes. It's 739 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:52,640 the one continent we haven't hit. Man. Other than Antarctica. Yeah. We're not going to 740 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,000 get. Yeah, no, you're not going to get that. Those penguins, they have a hard time with. 741 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,920 Yeah, they don't like podcasts. Clicking on the button. So. But I did see a study the 742 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,200 other day that said people who listen to podcasts are more intelligent than those who don't. 743 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,800 Well it would definitely be the, that would be the case with penguins. If there's a penguin 744 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,800 listening to a podcast, I guarantee he's more intelligent than the other penguins. Yes, 745 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:22,960 yes he is. Yes he is. So. Well, I don't know if we've swayed anybody. Oh gosh. One way 746 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:28,680 or the other. We technically pulled in some Android into that. But. I mean, of course, 747 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,520 because it's necessary to talk about now that everything is related. Yeah. Well, I still 748 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:41,520 say PC for the win. I know you do. It's still the language of business. It's still the language 749 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:51,240 of business. Yeah. I just had to get a license of M365 in order to run mobile apps on an 750 00:52:51,240 --> 00:53:00,520 iPad. Really? Yeah. For work. Oh yeah. Yeah. So. Sorry, I was looking for a. 751 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:12,560 Meme that I saw the other day that said that some language, the word for penguin is business 752 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:21,560 goose. Business goose, okay. If you just translate it directly. Anyway, business goose. For those 753 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:28,280 of you that are. Oh yeah. The world is a vast hellscape right now. But remember the Mandarin 754 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:37,600 word for penguin literally translates to business goose. Just trying to let you know. Penguin's 755 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,880 business geese. Business geese. All right. Keep that in mind. Appreciate you brother. 756 00:53:41,880 --> 00:54:09,600 Thanks for buying me a beer. Yep. Enjoyed it. See you everybody. See you. Hey everybody. 757 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,680 Hearing gear is a value for value podcast. If you made it this far, then I would like 758 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:19,240 to think you found some value from the show. If so, send us a boost with your modern podcast 759 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:24,680 app like Fountain or Podfence. You can find modern podcast apps for Apple and Android 760 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,920 at modernpodcastapps.com. When you send a boost, make sure to include a note that we 761 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:44,000 can read on the show. Thanks everyone.