Hey, welcome to Beering Gear.
Hey everybody, how you doing?
I mean, we're feeling pretty good over here.
I've got Shiner Bock in my hand.
Yes, you do.
Thank you, Chris.
Sure, no problem.
I appreciate the beer.
It's good to see your face.
It is.
Good to be back.
What are you drinking?
I have another one from Michigan.
It's Dragon's Milk Stout.
It's bourbon barrel aged.
See, I like the bourbon barrel aged.
Yes.
I've done beer bourbon barrel aged and I've done wine bourbon barrel aged.
Okay.
You ever experienced that?
Not wine.
Are you much of a wine drinker?
No, no, no.
I like wine.
And there's a few of them.
One of them is like the Thief or Cooper or something.
I don't remember.
But it comes in a really cool looking bottle.
It's like that short fat bottle, short fat wine bottle.
Okay, yeah.
It's like you're drinking at a tavern somewhere in London in the 1700s.
Anyway, and it's a wine, like some sort of red blend that's aged in bourbon barrels and
it's really good.
I'll try to get the name of it for next time.
Yeah, I'm afraid the extent of wine in our house is when we're stepping through the Lord
Supper with the kids and we try to keep it official and not just grape juice.
Yeah, right.
And so we pour just a little bit, take a swig and the rest of the bottle tends to go down
the drain.
Yeah.
You look Lutheran.
Yeah.
Like all my other blonde headed friends that are of the Lutheran persuasion.
I borrowed the idea from the Catholics.
There you go.
For sure.
I've only done actual wine with communion a few times and it's never like good wine,
which I feel like is a mistake.
Like sure.
It seems like if you're taking communion, shouldn't this be like the best wine you have?
I think that's why the Catholics do what they do.
It's a very specific wine.
Yeah.
Done for only that.
Yeah.
Hopefully it's good.
I've never actually had.
I've never had it.
Anyway, part taken of it.
Let's just stick to beer.
Absolutely.
Cheers.
Oh yeah.
Is it good?
It's good.
Good.
It's good.
The.
Thank you, Jason.
Yes.
Thank you, Jason.
This is the second one that he's given me recently.
Okay.
I had done the red label, which was a Porter and it was, I believe it was bourbon barrel
age as well.
Michigan man.
Yep.
All right.
Well, yep.
Got to log that one away.
Yep.
Dragon's milk.
There you go.
Go find it.
Anyway, or you already know about it because we just, you know.
Yep.
Know about it now for sure.
Yep.
All right.
Today we're talking about Wi-Fi.
Yes, we are.
All things Wi-Fi and if you're sitting at home thinking like, I, you know, my router
was just being weird.
You might be talking about the wrong thing because I will say you only have two of these
listed but the three pieces of gear that you probably have at home that you either are
the same piece of gear or they're all split out that you don't know that you have are
a router.
Yes.
Modem.
Yes.
And an AP.
Yes.
And depending on what you're using, there's also a switch.
Switch.
Yes.
Okay.
So four.
Thank you for that.
Yes.
So usually router and switches combined, usually in home situations, modem, router, switch
combined.
Yeah.
Especially if you get it from your ISP.
Yeah.
And then especially like if you're thinking I only have one box, it's because if you have
wireless access to your internet at home, you have a router or a modem.
I'm trying to do this in here.
Modem, router, combo.
Yes.
With an AP built into it.
Yes.
What do these words mean, Chris?
Well start with Wi-Fi.
Wi-Fi.
It really doesn't mean anything.
I was surprised.
All these years I thought it was short for something.
All it is is just a marketing acronym that was thrown together.
Yeah.
I mean you said that on here.
This is a marketing acronym, but this obviously is playing off of Hi-Fi.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
I mean you could think of it as wireless fidelity.
Yeah.
High fidelity is Hi-Fi if you've ever heard of Hi-Fi when it comes to like stereo.
Yes.
Whatever.
But wireless, like Wi-Fi, wireless fidelity is not a thing.
Like no, not really.
Not really.
So Wi-Fi was just like a catchy thing.
Absolutely.
It's not, it's like a brand, it's like Xerox.
They did a good job because it stuck.
Yeah.
It stuck hard.
Like nobody talks about it in any other way.
There's not, I talk about copying paper instead of Xeroxing things.
That only lasted for a while.
Yeah.
Wi-Fi is not going anywhere.
No, it's not.
It is not.
So I guess we'll kind of get into what we've got here.
We've talked about if you got your hardware directly from your internet provider or ISP.
ISP, Internet Service Provider.
There you go.
You probably have a poor experience in that opinion.
And poor experience number one, because every ISP it seems like is a poor experience.
You may have a better experience than you did with your last guy.
Yes.
But none of them are like knocking it out of the park.
No, no, they're not.
They're not.
Come on guys.
The gear that they're buying, you know, they're, I'm sure they're looking for, for best price.
Best price.
There's some reliability they got to be looking for because the number of questions that they
have to answer is just ridiculous.
Yeah.
If you like to twist the geek knob, then you're not going to want their standard hardware.
No, no, no, no, no.
So no.
And why is that?
Because you can't do anything with it.
If you even remotely want to get in and tweak things, make changes, add additional Wi-Fi
networks.
Some of them, I guess, will technically let you have a guest network.
But if you want to in any way get involved on the network side, you're not doing it with
their gear.
That's it.
You can't even change the password to the Wi-Fi most of the time.
It is stuck on what is on the sticker on the box.
It's on the sticker.
Yeah.
That's, that's the hard, I was, when I was, my parents, when they got Wi-Fi at their house
that they live in now, the, the, I was looking for the sticker on the box.
It was not on the box.
The sticker was on the router.
Yes.
And I was like, oh, okay, guys, like, yes.
That's why it's imperative to change the password.
You got to first thing, you got to figure this out because that's terrible.
Yep.
Anyway, do our listeners know that you're supposed to be changing your passwords at
all?
We haven't even talked about that.
I sure hope they do with all the hacks that we've seen.
Guys.
Yes, do change your passwords, change them often.
You're not going to change them often, at least make them fairly long.
And then at least change it once a year.
I used to not be a fan of password managers, but as I'm getting older, I'm getting older.
It's getting harder to remember those passwords.
Yeah.
Cause you don't want to just reuse the same password.
Oh my gosh.
No, don't do that.
That's terrible.
Your Wi-Fi password should not be your bank password.
Oh, don't do that.
Don't do that.
So yeah, if you, regardless of whether you have there, well, you can't change theirs,
but if you go buy something from Best Buy, like Linksys or D-Link, please change the
password.
That's the very first thing you should do once it's actually working.
Yeah.
And I was going to say, like we were talking about not, not settling for what the ISP gives
you with gear.
You don't have to go like find some ridiculous, like you don't have to have a, you don't
have to have a, you know, no, it doesn't have to be CDW account to get this.
Correct.
You do not have to have Cisco gear or Meraki or Aruba or whoever you may have potentially
heard of.
Right.
There's a few things you want to look for though.
Yes.
And what are those things?
Well, for one that you can actually manage it.
So what you'll want to look at is kind of roughly the size of your, of your house.
If you just go buy an all-in-one Linksys or D-Link.
What they give you when you, if you use your ISP.
Yeah.
If you use your ISP gear, you want to try to set it as I guess, as close to the center
of your house as you can to try to get the best coverage.
Yeah.
And it's going to give you about a thousand square feet of coverage.
Yeah.
At best 1500.
Yeah.
Because once you start going through walls, depending on what your walls are made of and
the thickness and any potential insulation in there, you're going to kill the signal.
All my walls are concrete and lead, man.
Oh, you need a AP on every side of the wall.
That's right.
I got it.
I just got straight up bunkers.
There you go.
Every room.
I feel like we know somebody that built a house like that.
Yes, we do.
And they probably do have APs in every room.
Probably do.
Yes.
So in my opinion, don't take the ISP's hardware.
Go buy your own.
Yeah.
Go buy a modem.
Don't take from that monthly rental.
No, gosh.
Don't do that.
Modems last a long time.
Now get a kit.
And you will pay for it in the first year.
Oh, absolutely.
Because they'll charge you five to 10 bucks a month to rent it.
10 bucks.
Absolutely.
Easy.
Easy 10 bucks for them.
Just waste of money for you.
Yeah.
You can pick up a great modem for a hundred bucks.
Easy.
What are some things to be looking for to future proof your modem?
I'm thinking of one thing in particular.
Well, you've got to look at the model of, or I guess the version of DOCSIS.
Please don't ask me to say what all the letters mean.
Just know that it has to do with the way that the modem is talking into their network.
You want to make sure that it is compatible with your service provider, which is a thing
that you can look up on your service provider's website.
They are going to have that.
Or if you have a death wish, you can call in and wait.
Don't do that.
It should be on their website.
It should be.
Yeah.
So at a minimum, you're going to want DOCSIS 3.
Ideally, you would probably want to at least pick up DOCSIS 3.1.
Yeah, I was going to say 3.2.
If you can get a 3.2 and they support it, that's great.
But even if you get DOCSIS 3.0, that will still support a full gig up and down.
Yeah.
And that's like a gig up and down, I would say is probably minimum of what you want to
buy at this point.
Yeah.
I guess the one other thing you do have to take a look at when you're buying your modem
is the number of channels.
More channels means more speed.
So I would buy more speed, more power.
Now wait, I thought that my internet service provider was the one who decided how much
speed I have.
Well, they kind of do in the end.
I was setting you up, man.
You have an illusion of speed.
Yes.
So get at least 32 channels.
That way you can effectively get, if you have the luxury of it, the ability, you can get
that sweet gig up, gig down, take advantage of it.
So yeah, it's there.
Like it's HBO, one of the channels that I get.
No, not that kind of channel.
Nice try.
So without getting too geeky, more channels means more bandwidth.
They do a process called channel bonding, which makes all those channels behave as if
it's one giant channel.
Oh, you mean like Disney and National Geographic and all those guys are one channel right now.
Is that what you're talking about?
They're trying.
So these channels will run a little bit separate from your cable.
Sorry, this is me trying to muddy this as much as possible.
I'm a little too far removed from working for Cox to remember quite how they did some
of the channeling.
But I do know that you had, I want to say at that time, there was at least eight channels
for data and there was possibly four channels for video.
And depending upon what package you had, determine which of those channels was potentially active
for the service that you're looking for because a given channel would come or a given TV channel
would go down a specific video channel with your service.
Yeah.
So that's Modem.
It just jumped right over the head.
Yes.
So skip the service provider equipment, get your own Modem.
At a minimum, get your own router.
If you're going to buy in now, I would at least buy into Wi-Fi 6E if you can get it.
Yeah.
I wouldn't, I mean, maybe absolute worst case Wi-Fi 6, I would not do anything.
What's referred to as Wi-Fi 5.
Okay.
So you just said, you just said Wi-Fi 6 and Wi-Fi 6E.
What are all the Wi-Fis?
Because I remember, I remember when we just called it Wi-Fi.
Yes, that's all it used to be.
Yeah.
So there's seven that I would say that are now official because they just finally released
the certification process for Wi-Fi 7.
Wi-Fi 8 is out there, but nowhere near ready.
Bleeding edge.
Yeah.
So we'll go back to the wee days of the internet with what is now referred to as Wi-Fi 1 back
then it was 802.11a and it gave you a whopping 54 megabits per second.
I don't know anybody that used that a, it was just 802.11.
802.11, that's true.
And that was typically referring to Wi-Fi version two, which is 802.11b.
11 megabits.
So not as fast, but it had punch and you could push it way farther.
Okay.
Then you could a, because a uses five gigahertz as you go up in frequency, it takes more power
to get the same distance as a lower frequency.
Right.
So that's the nature of...
We'll talk about the pluses of the higher frequency later.
Go ahead.
So you get into Wi-Fi version three, good old 802.11g.
Also in 2.4.
Also 2.4, yes.
But it got it up to 54 megabits, so it got basically b up to the equivalent of a.
And then from there we jumped to Wi-Fi version four or 802.11.
Big jump.
That's when it got interesting because now you can leverage 2.4 gigahertz and 5 gigahertz
and get it now this is theoretical, but you could technically get a maximum of 600 megabits
per second.
Yeah.
I never knew anybody who was getting that.
Sure.
But it was a nice marketing number.
It was.
I remember when N came out.
Yes.
And it was like, what?
Yeah.
I would say G was kind of that first one that a lot of people were probably buying into.
Yeah.
And then N, it really started to explode.
Yeah.
And then we jumped to Wi-Fi five.
Yeah.
802.11ac.
AC.
It doesn't keep you cool though.
Air conditioner not involved.
Again, theoretical numbers here, a maximum of 6,933 megabits.
Yes, that is the magic numbers for those who are listening.
6.9 gigabits.
Gigabits.
Gigawatts.
There you go.
Again using 2.4 and 5 gigahertz.
Yeah.
When we get into what's called spatial streams, we'll explain how they made some of these
magic numbers happen.
Yeah.
And then from there you go to Wi-Fi 6 and 6E.
That is referred to as 802.11ax.
You lost me.
Well, that, to me, that's, this is the minimum where you should buy in if you're buying.
Right now, yeah.
If you can afford the 6E or even if you can afford 7, go for it.
But the average person at least get Wi-Fi 6 if not 6E.
Yeah.
It'll give you some good future proofing.
Again, a potential maximum of 9,608 megabits per second using 2.4 and 5 gigahertz.
Now the difference in 6 and 6E is 6E introduced 6 gigahertz.
Yeah.
And that's how they're actually achieving some of those higher ridiculous speeds.
I mean, I was going to say, I feel like it should be 2.45 and 7.5 gigahertz.
I mean, why are we doing this weirdness?
We wanted the 6 gigabits.
6 gigabits.
So you may be kind of figuring out here as you go up in frequency, there's more bandwidth
to take advantage of.
More bandwidth, more channels.
Yes, more power.
Everything.
More power.
And then you've got Wi-Fi 7.
There has been some gear out for a little while with this.
None of it is officially certified.
So well, it's faster than what we can.
Oh, it's faster than the 6 and the 6E.
Yeah, and it's faster than what the internet service providers are.
Well, yeah, I mean, with AC, technically, you're already faster than what most service
providers would give you.
Although I guess there are a few fiber providers that I know that are pushing 5 gigabit.
Really?
Yes.
So none of them are around here.
I haven't met any of them.
No, they're not around here.
I know they're in Austin.
We're in Tyler.
We don't have that.
That's not one of the options on the little...
Don't get me started on how backwards some of our stuff is for as big a city as we are.
I'm just saying.
Okay.
And then coming at some point in the future, Wi-Fi 8...
You heard it here first, folks.
Yeah, you heard it here first.
Breaking news.
802.11 BN.
BN.
N is in Nancy.
Nancy.
A maximum of 100,000 megabits per second.
Bravo, November.
Yes, Bravo, November.
There you go.
100 gigs.
Yes, essentially gigabits.
Gigabits.
Not gigabytes.
Not gigabytes, gigabits.
That's different.
Yes, there's a big difference between bits and a byte.
Divide by eight.
Divide by eight, absolutely.
So again, 2.4, 5 gigahertz and 6 gigahertz.
So there's all the Wi-Fi versions and some of how they break down.
Are we going to put this on the show notes?
Absolutely.
I feel like we need to put this on the show notes because we just threw a lot of numbers.
We did.
Without...
We did.
Well, that's why I would say...
Breathing too much.
Depending on where we're at.
Dial in that NerdNob.
Yeah, check out the show notes if you want to know.
A positive four to six.
Yeah.
Because the NerdNob goes up to 11.
It goes up to 11 for sure, just like a sound box.
Yes.
What's up, Jason?
Yes.
Okay, so from there, let's jump into channels.
Yeah, channels.
I was about to say, we got to go backwards for a second.
Yeah, that's okay.
Did we jump anything else?
We did.
We did a little bit.
Well...
We didn't talk about...
Well, sorry, that's back on channels.
You've got two sections.
Channel width is what I was going back to.
Channels.
Let's go to channels.
Yeah, we'll go to channels.
So 2.4 gigahertz.
Yes.
11 usable channels in the US.
One through 11.
So in case you haven't realized this, there's this little...
Almost said company.
There's this little federal agency that likes to tell you where you can and can't be on
the spectrums of...
Yes.
Shout out to the FCC.
Yeah, the FCC is, they're awesome.
We are not trying to pick any fights...
No, no, no.
With anybody like that.
Slight sidebar, talking about government agencies on the way to drop the kids off and my phone...
The actual kids.
Yeah, the actual kids and my phone stopped working.
Oh my gosh, that was terrifying.
But here's the deal.
I was...
If anybody that knows me, I'm not a big fan of the government.
I saw a video of the Treasury Secretary, Janet Yellen.
I can't say anything good about her, so I just won't say.
Just keep your mouth shut.
Yes.
She basically said, it is not our responsibility to bring prices down.
And although she's technically right that isn't what the government should do, when
you cause them to go up, you should be on the hook to bring them down.
So it sent me on a ramp with my kids and I could see my kids going, oh boy, here it goes.
The eyes are rolling back into the back of the head.
Exactly.
And about the time that my phone dropped, I said, if they don't keep it up, it may be
time for a revolution.
And then your phone dropped?
Boom, my phone's single dropped and I'm like, oh, they're listening to me.
You're the reason.
They're going to come get me.
You're the reason AT&T just dropped everybody all at once in the state.
Yeah.
And they're still not talking about what happened.
No, they're not.
And I don't know that there's any hope of that.
Early story was a potential solar flare.
Sure.
So we'll see.
We'll see.
I feel like it was a solar flare we'd know faster than that unless they got shut up by
somebody else.
It started at 2 a.m.
AT&T would definitely blame it on something else if they could right now.
Absolutely.
Because right now they're just on the hook for being incompetent.
No, I'm not getting on that soapbox either.
All right, back to channels.
I got to get away from this.
I'm going to start preaching.
Okay.
Guys, it's not good.
It's not good.
As soon as we hang up with this call or call whatever, we're going to be talking about
this.
Oh, I'm sure.
I'm sure.
Okay, so let's hop back to channel.
So 2.4 gigahertz, 11 usable channels.
That doesn't mean that you should just use any old channel.
There is only three that are technically usable that don't interfere with other channels.
Channel one, channel six, channel 11.
So that joker not too far away who's using channel three, I'm not a fan of yours because
you're stepping on one and six.
You're stepping on both one and six.
Yes.
Okay, so how do we explain this in a way that makes sense to somebody who just heard you
say 11 usable channels and really there's only three?
There's only three.
So we'll have to put something in the show notes so you could see the visual.
So within the 2.4 gigahertz spectrum, they show you the channels and they show you the
frequency starts here, ends here.
Those channels technically, I mean, for all intents and purposes, they overlap.
Channels next to each other.
So channel one kind of overlaps with channel two, two with three and so on.
And because you have what are considered co-channels there, you get co-channel interference.
So if I have a radio on one and another nearby radio on two, they're not going to be happy.
My experience is not going to be great.
So if you do have a D-link or a link says that you can go in and change it, do turn
off the automatic channel because I've seen those choose those in between channels because
it looks clear.
Don't do that.
Be a good neighbor.
Don't do that.
I don't know, I'm trying to come up with like a way for people to understand this.
If you're driving down the highway and you're just imagine, remember if you can, when we
had the knobs that you would turn to find the channel on the FMAM knob to get the channel
on the radio.
If you turn it close to a channel, you can hear the next channel.
The next channel.
Like you can hear what like the, the through the static and everything, you can kind of
hear something faint.
You're not exactly on the channel, but you kind of hear it.
Now imagine if you've got two weak signals and this is important because on FMAM, like
the part of it is how weak the channel is on whether or not it'll actually do this.
Because you can have two channels right next to each other and you can hear both of them
as long as they are pumping that wattage at you.
But most of the time that's not what's happening.
So if you imagine if you were in between two channels and you could hear both of them,
that's kind of what we're talking about here.
Yeah.
You kind of get that bleed over.
And that wifi has to have a very strong signal in order to pass without pass data without
dropping packets.
Correct.
Okay.
Yeah.
More interference just basically means you're potentially going to have to keep retransmitting
to get what you need.
So stay on the right channels.
And so where that kind of plays in too, if you're designing a network, depending on the
size of your building, you need three, four, five.
So now as you're laying those out, now you've got to think, think, think that through.
If I'm putting this one on one, I'm putting this on six, I'm putting on this 11.
Now when I put that fourth radio, I need to put it to where it doesn't step on number
one, but it could, or yeah, it doesn't co-exist with number one, but it could overlap on the
two that are running six and 11 and I'm fine.
And then if I have more radios, then I keep doing this to try to space it out.
And you can see how like in your house, this is not a problem.
No.
Well, depending on how geeky you are.
Wow.
Let me tell you what.
No.
I'm not, not, not, not nearly that geeky.
Not in my house.
I'm a little geeky.
Well, I mean a little bit.
I do have three APs at my house.
I should say that.
I have two that are functional, one that needs to be replaced.
Yeah, there you go.
But who has the money for that?
Anyway.
Okay.
All right.
So with that, that's kind of where 2.4 exists.
We've already talked about the overlap.
Did you talk about microwaves?
No, but that's coming up again.
I want to reiterate use one, six and 11.
Please be kind to your neighbors because your frequencies, your, I go, I go to the blockbuster
analogy, be kind, rewind.
There you go.
So be kind, whether or not you believe it because you walked out of your house and lost
wifi signal, you are close enough to your neighbors to mess with their signal as well.
Oh yes.
And if you look for wifi, you'll see your other people.
Yeah.
So that takes me to one quick sidebar.
Do have fun with your network names.
Oh yeah.
No, that's the best part.
Don't just leave it plain Jane.
No, you can't.
You, I mean, it's a sudden, you know, suddenly whatever.
That's not, that's not a wifi name.
If you come by my house, you will see FBI surveillance van number 33.
That's me.
So have as much fun with it as you want.
And now my wife's going, that's where he got that.
Yeah.
So I guess, yeah, a couple other things here to keep in mind.
There are other things that do operate in that 2.4 gigahertz range that can cause interference.
Okay.
Namely microwave.
Yeah.
So if you have a radio or access point relatively close to your microwave and you start noticing
bizarre behaviors.
Why does my Netflix cut out every time I make popcorn?
Yeah.
It gets a little choppy.
What's going on?
You may need to consider relocating your radio.
Maybe.
So, all right, go ahead and do it.
Another thing that you, again, depending on how geeky you are, if you're in the home automation
and you use Zigbee for connecting lights, whatever, Zigbee operates in 2.4 gigahertz
as well.
So be careful.
It is a very popular side.
Okay.
We're going to go on a side quest here.
Go ahead.
This became a big deal with all of us musicians out there.
When they first came out with wireless, not first came out with wireless, that's ridiculous.
When they started making, I'm going to go ahead and say lower budget, wireless, especially
like instrument stuff.
Okay.
Most of it was focused in the 2.4 gigahertz.
And I had a whole bunch of people that were like wireless guitars, like trying to go wireless
with your guitar or trying to go wireless is trash.
You don't need to do it at all.
This was the problem.
Everything was on 2.4.
Everything like the wifi router, if the wifi router was anywhere near your gear, which
it's always near your gear because you're trying to do stuff on wifi the entire time
that you're playing music, it was always interfering.
And you remember 2.4, three usable channels.
So I would assume they use 2.4 to get higher than 900 megahertz.
So again, more potential bandwidth, so better quality sound in theory.
Better quality sound.
Everybody was going for fidelity.
But what they got was all this like, you know, technology that's being put into cell phones
at the time was then becoming, oh, well, this could work with music.
Yes.
And it all just went downhill.
Yes.
So that's the story of 2.4.
Anyway.
All right.
So moving on 5 gigahertz.
5 gigahertz comes as the savior to all.
That was the intent.
Definitely.
So in the US, 22 usable channels.
I guess one other thing we skipped.
2.4 gigahertz.
Best case scenario, 300 feet of coverage.
Best case.
5 gigahertz, you're talking about 100 feet of coverage.
So if anybody has played with this at home, you'll notice that you have those great speeds
when you're on 5.
You get too far away, it slows down because you fall back to 2.4.
Not seeing a whole lot of just 5.
Got to have 5 and 2.4.
5 and 2.4.
So what gets interesting in here is radar.
12 of the 22 channels exist in the spectrum for some of the radar systems.
So those are referred to as DFS channels.
The way those work is your radio.
DFS, never mind.
We're not going to go there.
So your radio can exist on one of those channels.
But if it detects radar, it has to drop with no longer than 10 seconds and get out of the
way.
So it does not interfere with that radar.
So if anybody's ever been poking in their system logs and they see radar detected, that's
what they're talking about.
That's what they're talking about.
Not the MASH character.
No, not MASH.
So the other thing that's nice in 5 gigahertz is none of the channels technically overlap.
Yeah, so there's 12 or there's 22.
12 of them are radar.
10 usable channels.
And so as you can see, more channels, especially if you live in an apartment complex, more
channels is more better.
Thank you.
Yes.
So you can get away from what your neighbors are using and try to improve your experience.
Yeah.
Okay.
So from there, we jumped to 6 gigahertz, which again came out with 6E.
Still reasonably new in the Wi-Fi piece.
Most I would say probably phones within the last two to three years for sure are probably
going to have 6E built in.
Right.
So this gets really crazy.
59 usable channels in the US.
Pretty good.
That's game changing if you live in an apartment.
Right.
Absolutely amazing.
No channel overlap, just like with 5 gigahertz.
So depending on how many neighbors you have, there should be no reason that y'all would
be on the same channel.
Yeah.
There's no reason.
Unless they're just being a jerk.
Yeah, well.
Some of those neighbors do exist, I'm afraid.
We're not going to talk about being a good neighbor on this yet.
All right.
Let's talk about channel width.
Channel width.
Here we go.
So this is where things get a little interesting.
We'd already kind of alluded to, you've got to plan your channels carefully.
Yes.
Because again, you want to avoid multiple radios utilizing the same channel next to
each other so you don't have that interference.
Right.
So this width is like what?
An inch?
I'm not even going to go with that.
Moving on.
So channels and channel width is ultimately used to get you more speed, more power.
Okay.
I hear Tim Allen in my head.
So you get into what's called spatial streams.
I don't think so, Tim.
Yeah.
So this has to do with active connections to a given radio.
And if I remember correctly, Wi-Fi 7, I don't remember if it was 7 or 8.
So please don't hold me to this.
One of them, you could actually be connected to multiple radios, which gets a little interesting
because now you can pull data from two different radios.
It gets intriguing what you can achieve.
This isn't okay.
So we're going to talk in a little bit about like MIMO.
Yes.
Multi-user MIMO or Moo MIMO, whatever you want to call it.
This is not...
Okay.
Moo MIMO is going to be coming from the other direction, talking about radio, talking to
multiple end users.
You're talking about an end user using multiple radios.
Multiple radios.
Yeah.
So don't hold me to it.
It's either Wi-Fi 7.
I'm leaning towards 7, but it could have been something I was reading on 8.
So forgive me if I'm calling it wrong.
But it's an intriguing technology.
That sounds very interesting.
Especially in a business where you're more likely to have multiple radios.
And depending on where you're office, you might be right in between two and can take
advantage of it.
Which I mean, honestly, your network guy is trying to minimize that right now.
Correct.
But you're saying he may not be trying to minimize that in the future.
Depending on what he's trying to achieve in terms of your connection speed.
Wow.
That could start to change the way we do some of our design.
Now I'm just, because what you don't want right now are like really big hotspots in
your network mapping.
You do want to keep them a reasonable amount apart so they're not stepping on each other.
But you do need some overlap to help with roaming.
So that it's a clear, you're not falling off and then picking up again.
Correct.
So roaming is a whole other animal.
I didn't include that in here.
But just real quick to know there are different standards for roaming.
If you're going to turn it on, make sure all your devices support the version that you're
turning on.
Or you could potentially have devices that just can't connect because they don't, they
don't talk that language.
Yeah, I'm not sorry.
I'm still back on the multiple radios, multiple radios.
Your mind is blown.
I just didn't know that that was coming.
That's great.
Yes.
I think it's great.
I'm still trying to figure it out.
Okay, go ahead.
I would say if it's implemented right, it probably is going to be great.
So and then when we get into the wider the channel, the more bandwidth.
So 2.4 gigahertz uses 20 megahertz channels.
So you've got a finite amount of data that you can push down that.
And so you can't bond multiple channels together.
No, they're interfering with each other.
Yes.
Well, I probably shouldn't say that there is some I think there is technically some
older in that could do MIMO.
I'll confirm that and add that in.
Yeah, we need that.
Yeah.
So don't don't jump on that bandwagon.
Yes.
Yeah, don't don't beat me up.
Okay, so you jumped to five gigahertz.
This is where it starts to get intriguing.
Yeah.
So you could do 20 megahertz just like 2.4.
Or you could bond two of those together basically and achieve a 40 megahertz channel.
That's some slick math right there.
Yes, it is more, more bandwidth.
It's amazing.
More better, more better.
Then you could bond 240s or 420s or 420s.
However you want to take that for 80 megahertz.
Again, you're achieving more potential bandwidth and then ending with 160 megahertz channels.
Yeah.
So you have the potential to really grow this out in terms of the potential bandwidth that
you can achieve when you're connected to the radio.
Again with this, you've got to be the most newer devices, you don't have to worry about
this.
But there was a time you had to be careful on how wide you made your channels.
Right.
Because some older equipment may not have gone beyond 40 megahertz.
Yeah.
And as soon as you turn on 80, they're like, I don't have anything.
What do you want me to do?
Let's make sure and understand that bonding that is great for your speed and how much
you can handle and everything.
That's awesome.
But it's not like the number of channels actually increased because if you bond them, then you
are actually decreasing the number of channels that are available.
Yes.
And that leads me into the next section.
So we said with 5 gigahertz, there were 22 usable channels.
When you go to 14 gigahertz, that actually only shrinks to 14, which doesn't seem like
the math works, but it does.
And then when you go to 80 gigahertz, now you do truly cut in half.
Sorry, 40.
40 gigahertz.
Sorry.
Yeah, 40 gives you 14.
From 5 gigahertz, if you bond 20s all the way across, to have 40 megahertz channels,
then you only have 29.
Oh, sorry, 14.
29 is on the-
You only have 14 usable channels.
14.
And then if you bump it again to 80 megahertz, you have 7 usable channels.
Yeah, which is like a third.
Yes.
But again, as you bond these and you get more megahertz, you get more bandwidth.
And then ending with the 60 megahertz, and there you've only got-
160.
Three usable channels.
Yeah.
So more bandwidth is amazing, but it means fewer channels.
So as you grow those channels, that can complicate your design, depending on how many radios you
have to work with.
So now we jump to the newer 6 gigahertz.
Again, it can use 20, it can use 40, it could use 80, it could use 160.
And it now introduces 320 megahertz.
For the ridiculous people out there.
Yes.
Three channels of 320 megahertz.
Three channels of 320, yeah.
So with this, if you do the 40 megahertz-
29.
You've got 29.
That's where the 29 was.
Correct.
If you do 80, you've got 14 usable.
160, you've got 7.
And as we just said, 320, you've got 3 available.
Yep.
So again, as you increase these channels, be mindful of how many radios you have and
how you're designing this out.
Yeah.
So if you only got three radios, go to town.
If your devices can handle it, knock yourself out.
If your devices can handle it.
The other thing to keep in mind though, as you're increasing your channels and your number
is shrinking, your neighbors may not be using those bigger channel bindings.
Oh, that's true.
They may be on the 20s, maybe the 40s, and they now could potentially step over whichever
channel you're using.
So again, a lot of this to keep in mind, depending on how geeky you are and how you design your
network.
Yeah.
It's important.
It is.
Absolutely is.
We're all just used to go by from Best Buy, plug it in, and boom, it just worked.
Yeah.
You got a guy who's listening to this and like, wait a minute.
I was just trying to not use my ISPs.
Correct.
We turned up that dial.
We did, a little bit.
A little bit.
Okay.
So now let's jump to spatial streams or another way to say that is how many consecutive connections
do you have to the radio?
So single radio, how many devices can connect?
Yes, at one time.
At one time.
So when you go way back before MIMO and multi-user MIMO, one device at a time.
Now super fast connections, like even at their slowest.
You say one device can connect at a time.
Correct.
That's not, hey, I've connected my device to this AP, so.
Well, there's caveats.
Okay.
There's caveats.
So if you think back to the beginning, 802.11b, that was kind of where it was what we call
round robin.
One device can transmit and receive to the radio at a time.
So your laptop would do its thing.
Then my laptop would do its thing.
And then your phone and then my phone and then back to your laptop.
And it had to basically go in a round robin circle, trying to give everybody fair air
time.
Yeah.
So everybody could try to do something.
But let's talk about how fast that was happening.
Oh, it's happening crazy fast.
Crazy fast.
But it's not like I get it for an hour than you get it for an hour.
Correct.
But those of us that are old enough that we have some gray hair and remember the old times,
it was slow.
Yeah.
It definitely had that like, my page is going to load in a second.
Yes.
That I am looking at.
Not as bad as dial-up.
Give it a minute.
So.
Oh my gosh.
Dial-up.
So obviously by today's standards, if it's only one device at a time, not that big a
deal.
You've probably got a really nice internet speed, especially if you're increasing your
channels.
So that's the other benefit to channels is more bandwidth.
Your device talks faster, which means my device can get to it quicker and talk faster and
so on.
So from there, they introduced single user, multi in, multi out.
MIMO.
Yes.
MIMO.
Sue MIMO.
Big, big deal.
Still round robin.
Still jumping from device to device.
Device, device, device, device.
Yes.
But it allowed me to have, depending on how the radio was, I could have two connections
to that radio.
I could have three or possibly as many as four simultaneous connections.
In and out.
Yes.
So again, I'm getting my bandwidth faster.
So my device can hand off for the radio to go to the next device.
So again, we're speeding this thing up.
And then where it gets really intriguing is when they introduce multi user MIMO.
Now your laptop and my laptop can talk to that same radio at the same time.
Now we may not be able to talk to all of the antennas at the same time.
You may get to and I get to.
Right.
But now, again, we're making it faster, multiple devices talking at the same time.
What do you mean antennas, Chris?
My device, my AP looks like a discus.
Yeah, mine looks like a spaceship too.
So if you take it apart, they're in there.
What?
Yes.
They look like little pieces of foil.
I don't believe you.
I'm going to have to break that plastic apart.
Well, I'll have to find the one that we broke apart at work today and show you because it
was a dead radio.
Oh my gosh.
It's actually intriguing how small the antennas truly are and what they're not the big fins.
No, no, no, no, no.
Because we've all seen the octopus hanging from the ceiling.
Yeah, when you've got those external antennas, that is not a pleasant sight.
That's what the people jump up and high five them when they're walking by.
And break them off.
Like, why are we doing this?
You don't have to touch everything.
No, no, no, no.
It's not yours.
No.
Now, external antenna could technically get you better coverage.
Technically, but you also have people hitting it.
Yeah, you do.
If they damage it, it's no good.
So that is the benefit of multi-user MIMO.
And again, still round robin, trying to get everybody fair airtime.
But now more than one device can connect to that radio.
Nice.
So that was a really nice upgrade.
It was.
So getting into some of the last bit here.
Now we get into placement.
Placement of the radio for the access point.
Did we ever say access point or did we just say AP the entire time?
We probably said AP.
Sorry.
Or I was saying radio.
Radio, access point, AP, all the same thing.
Yes, all the jargon.
Go ahead.
OK.
So your access point, whether it's baked in the all-in-one router or it's an independent
access point or radio, it has what's referred to as a radiation pattern.
Not necessarily the bad kind.
What just happened?
Yes.
Why is my skin getting warm?
Oh, no.
So basically what that means, it travels in a horizontal plane and a vertical plane.
So most radios are going to produce that basically in the shape of a glazed donut.
You can imagine it just expanding until it basically.
I just got hungry.
Yeah, me too.
Is Dunkin' Donuts out there?
You're right.
Beer and donuts.
What am I, Homer?
So that kind of expands out again until that signal degrades enough that it's not usable.
There are different antennas that can do different coverage patterns.
We'll get into those in a little bit.
So most access points are meant, in my opinion, or designed to mount flush on your ceiling
so that the antennas are parallel with your ceiling and your floor.
That is how you get the best coverage out of that device unless it has some special
antennas that we'll talk about in a little bit.
But I doubt that would most likely be.
You say best coverage.
I say widest coverage.
Best coverage, widest coverage, yes.
If you have a two-floor home, you got to be careful with the disks, right?
You do.
Because they're not as up and down as the old ones used to be.
No, and just because you put it up on the highest level doesn't mean you're going to
get a great experience down on the bottom.
No, it's a very different...
Your floors are very different than your walls.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
So if you have two floors at a minimum, you probably need two radios.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Minimum.
So that radiation pattern matters.
If you want to know what it is, typically the manufacturer site will show you that.
Tell me how you really feel.
We got any Europeans listening out there?
Yeah.
So the pattern matters, again, we talked about it would be like a glazed donut for an omnidirectional,
which is what most access points tend to be.
So you do have certain antennas though that can change that, that can give you...
Generally, it will give you more punch.
So typically you would see this, especially outside.
Yeah.
You say...
Again, just using your words, you're saying punch, I would probably phrase it more like
directional.
More direction and more distance than a omnidirectional that's doing the full 360 degrees.
You've got like a, you know, almost picture like a sphere, like you said, the donut.
This is more like a spear.
Yes, depending on what the degree pattern is.
So when you get into that, you're going to be talking about...
I've seen them referred to as directional, I've seen them referred to as sector and yaggy.
Most of the time, those are going to be outdoor.
Directional is just that it's going to point in a given direction.
Like fins or cylinders or...
Yeah, they can, especially when you get into the sector.
Rectangles I've normally seen those as a square or a rectangle.
Yeah, it's pointed though.
Yes.
So 90 degree, 45 degree, depending on what your coverage that you're trying to get, the
tighter that the smaller that degree, the tighter that beam, the more potential you have for
distance.
When you get into a sector, typically those are going to go wider than 90.
A lot of times you'll see those 130, 180.
So I'm trying to cover everything in front of that antenna and out to the sides.
It's like a backyard.
Nothing behind.
Yeah.
Think of it as a way that some microphones will actually pick up.
I was about to say microphone.
You're going to get rejection from the rear.
Rejection from the rear.
It's looking at the front.
All at the front.
Forward facing.
Yeah.
So that's how a sector would work.
Yaggy, if you've ever seen them, they look like somebody pulled the guts out of a radio.
I'm sorry?
It's what it looks like.
Basically, it looks like somebody took a piece of metal.
Sorry, I got to Google this real quick.
Keep talking.
Go ahead.
And they will have basically like they've cut out little fingers or fins and it would
mount.
It looks like something that you could actually put inside of a Pringles can almost.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
These things have incredible punch or distance because of how tight they're making that beam.
That's crazy looking.
Yes.
You'll see a lot of these two with hams if they've got any ham radio guys out there.
There you go.
Ham radio is exactly what I was thinking.
This one looks like a, what's the, like the weed or not the weed.
A hedge trimmer.
The hedge trimmer.
Yeah.
Hedge trimmer.
Yeah.
That's exactly what that looked like.
And you can get ridiculous punch and distance with those.
Oh wow.
Especially if you're trying to do like a site to site bridge, you're going to want something
like that because you want that tighter beam, maximum distance so you can get that reach.
Pasternak put a cylinder over it because it's so ugly.
Oh man.
Sorry, go ahead.
You're fine.
So keeping in the world of placement, you don't want to put your radios too close together.
No.
Again, you're not going to hurt the equipment, but they are going to overlap far too much
in coverage.
Perform the way that they're supposed to.
Correct.
And your device is not going to be happy.
It's going, do I want to, do I need to talk to you?
Do I want to talk to you?
And it's generally going to try to take what is the best signal or quality.
And if that is fluctuating in any way, it's going to bounce from radio to radio.
And you're not going to be happy.
So you want to keep 30 to 50 feet, depending on, again, this also comes down to how many
walls you have, how many walls you have, how many, like what, again, what kind of directional,
you know, correct.
Now one thing you can do if you don't have a lot of luxury and where you can place your
radios, again, this depends on how geeky your system is, you can turn down the transmission
power to pull back how far they go.
So you get the overlap that you need for roaming, but not so much overlap that it's causing
issues with your device.
And the other thing that we didn't talk about with distance is like, again, remembering
the difference between like 2.4 and 5 and 6 and how far they reach.
Yes, 2.4, you're going to get your best option, again, for distance.
You're going to lose bandwidth, but you're going to get that distance.
So placement is important.
And again, you've got to take into consideration your walls.
You know, most interior walls in homes in Texas typically are not insulated.
So you've got gaps with drywall.
You can get, I feel like that became a code at some point.
I can tell you at least in 2007 it wasn't.
Really?
My house was built.
You don't have insulation in between?
Not in the interior walls.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Well, there you go.
So I feel like for the longest time they didn't do it just because it wasn't necessary.
Outside is way more important.
Outside is far more important.
Attic way more important.
Absolutely.
Inside walls, not so much.
Know your walls, know your materials.
Know your materials.
Makes a big deal.
Well, and I guess even if you don't know your walls or materials and whatever, just understand
that that may be something that's playing into why your radio doesn't reach as far as
you think that it should.
Correct.
Like we're saying 1500 square feet is pretty typical for a single radio.
But that is kind of a best case scenario.
In a best case scenario, if you're like, I've got an 1800 square foot house and I've only
got two rooms covered by this.
Wow.
Yeah.
There's some other stuff going on probably there.
There's a ton of factors.
So a good rule of thumb is no more than three, four inch thick walls.
If you've got insulation, you may start to see more degrading, especially depending on
the type of material.
If you've got rock wool, great for you for what that's capable of, especially killing
sound, your wifi is not going to be happy.
Sorry about you.
That's just way too dense.
Oh, and the other thing that I was going to say is again, making sure that you understand
the math of this, like in what we're saying, we're saying like, if you put your, if you
put your antenna, just say antenna instead of the modem or whatever, if you put your
antenna in the center of a 1500 square foot house.
Yep.
I had an 1800 square foot house for my first house and my, where the cable came into my
house for our network was on one side of the house.
And I was like, well, I've got a, you know, 1800 square foot house.
This should cover most of my house.
No, it was like half of my house.
Yeah.
Why was it half of my house?
Placement is important because it was covering my neighbor's yard too.
Yes, it was.
So again, general rule is three.
You can go four to five again, depending upon installation, depending on how thick your walls
are, materials.
So that's just a good, a good general rule to work with.
If you have concrete walls, sorry, I highly recommend you put a radio on both side of
the walls.
Yep.
It is not pleasant and what it does to wifi.
And even though some may get through, it is going to be degraded and it is not going to
be a good product.
It's not quite as bad as rock wall, but pretty bad depending on how much steel is in it.
Yeah.
So like if you're doing, Oh, what is it?
Concrete, polymer.
Oh, Cody did it on his house.
Yeah.
I don't remember.
It's a concrete wall with little chunks of metal instead of full rebar.
Yeah.
I should know this.
My dad's in construction.
That stuff is terrible.
He's going to smack me upside the head if he hears this.
So that can increase density, which can cause a bad experience.
So placement is critical, especially when you know the materials of your house.
If I'm looking for gear, Chris, what are some names that you trust?
If you're going to do the stuff from Best Buy, I tend to like D-Link for one reason.
And it's been a while since I've used their product.
So if it's changed, I'm sorry, they used to have a parental piece built in that would
work with open DNS that you could set content filtering.
You could pick your level and you could even say from this time to this time, I want it
to be ridiculously strict.
What gear was this?
D-Link.
Okay.
You said that.
I was like, huh?
Yeah.
This was something that they D-Linked.
I mean, other manufacturers may have it now, but they're the only one that I had ever run
into it.
So I could say when my kids are home, and I know they're potentially, I'm not home yet,
my wife's not home yet, give me absolute maximum strict filtering.
No shenanigans in my house, please.
D-Link.
We get home, there's a little more accountability.
You could back off to medium.
Because my wife doesn't like getting stopped from some of her shopping.
Correct.
And then some of it, you could even do some custom levels of allow this, but actually
block this.
So I, again, assuming they still have that feature, I really love them for that.
Another good dependable product is going to be Linksys.
That used to be, it seemed like that used to be the go-to for everybody.
All over the place.
Back in the days of 802.11B and A, and even G and N.
Yeah, I would say G and N for sure.
Everybody had the Linksys of some kind.
Now you may need to get the second level of Linksys, but...
Correct.
So the other thing that you can do with those types of systems, and some service providers
are doing this now, is the newer generation, you could actually buy a repeater that is
specific to your device.
So in your scenario, you had your router, modem, all the Wi-Fi combo, all the way on
one side of the house.
You're hurting on the other side.
You could plug one of these into the wall.
It would pair up and repeat the signal and give you improved coverage.
Yeah, that was actually what I was looking at before we moved.
So that's not a bad way.
Linksys has a lot of these, by the way.
There's a lot of options for repeaters.
I would highly recommend not trying to do repeaters off of repeaters.
You can do that.
Just don't.
You can do...
I mean, it's like anything else.
You're just going to get a degraded signal.
You are.
You can do a repeater on either side.
Correct.
Or all four sides, however you want to.
Correct, depending on how it's laid up.
So now if you don't care, yeah, you can absolutely take the product from the service provider.
I don't recommend that, but for some people, if it works for them, great.
It works for you.
But instead of doing what I did, best thing to do is just roll up your sleeves, get in
the attic, run a cable into the center of your house and run everything from the middle.
Yes.
So the next level up is, again, it's still going to be Linksys, D-Link, TP-Link, some
of the other vendors that are out there.
I've seen them sold in sets of three, sets of four, sets of five.
And it creates a mesh, which is sort of like having...
This is how Eero made its name, right?
Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
I think they're an Amazon product now, too.
Really?
I think so.
I think it's what's being sold with a local internet service provider right now that shall
remain nameless.
I think that's what they're putting in.
Yeah.
Eero is now an Amazon product.
Wow.
There you go.
So in this...
Careful.
We saw what they did with Alexa.
And what they've done with Ring.
I'm just saying.
Watch out.
So you would have one of them that would basically be the router access point combo that could
sit ideally in the center of your house, or it could be shifted.
But then you have mesh points that you can put in other places around the house to extend
your coverage.
So it's a much better experience with doing mesh versus a traditional repeater.
Right.
Because it's not the same thing.
It is not.
No.
It's not.
Mesh is used especially outdoors on a lot of college campuses to extend Wi-Fi to the
outdoors and cover large spaces.
So that's kind of that next level up.
That can get a little more expensive depending on what you're looking at, but still a good
solution for a lot of people.
Then from there, then you really start cranking the geek knob up.
And you're like, this is my system.
Yes.
You may be giving me a connection to the internet, but I'm making this happen.
Yes.
I have sovereignty and total control.
So this is where you would buy your own modem.
Right.
Then you're going to buy your own network gear and build out your own network.
So this is where like a UniFi comes in.
This is where TP links, Omana, which is a competitive piece that's out there and even
Meraki Go that is out there.
And so in this scenario, you would buy essentially a router.
Some people call it a gateway.
That is the first device that connects to your modem.
Right.
That handles all of that routing internal to your network and external going to the
internet.
Then from there, it may have a switch built in.
If not, you're going to buy your own switch that's going to come off of that router or
gateway.
And then from there, you're going to have fun in your attic and you're going to pull
network cable.
Got to.
Yes.
It's important.
And I would highly recommend do it when you first buy your house.
If you wait, odds are you probably won't go back and do it.
Or you'll put stuff up there and it'll make it a lot harder.
That's true too.
So in this scenario, you'll run network drops from that switch out to where you're going
to place your radios to give yourself the best coverage.
And when you're going into that level, now you tend to have a whole ton of control.
You can get as geeky as you want, or you can keep it as simple as you want.
But you have at that point, you have total control every every aspect of your network
turned up to 11 up to 11.
So if you buy a unified product, there is no reoccurring cost.
That's my favorite part.
Yes.
Now the give is the support isn't always the best.
I mean, who wants support really?
So is it give and take?
I'm not here to ask directions, Chris.
I'm not paying any ongoing and I've got to see what's in the forums on their site to
try to help.
Same thing with TP link, Omada.
YouTube videos.
That's all I'm saying.
You know, there's probably a lot of that.
And then even now, Meraki, who is a Cisco company, is getting into this with a product
called Meraki Go.
It's technically geared towards small business, but it would work great in your home.
Great in your home.
The advantage to Meraki Go, depending on the individual, is you manage it all from the
app and you can also manage it from a cloud portal.
Unify there is an app.
Yeah, as well.
I've been on it.
I use it a few times.
Yeah.
So again, you can have that mobile ability to control and see what's going on.
The Omada system has the exact same thing.
Does it?
Yes.
Now, if you have deep pockets and you want to buy full bull Meraki, more power to you.
Those reoccurring are going to sting.
But if you've got deep pockets, you're not going to complain.
Not in this inflation, whatever we got going on now.
Yeah.
This is 30% inflation over the last three years.
Feels that way.
I'm just going to be quiet.
And for those that are out there and you want to go full blown Cisco and you've got that
capability and that knowledge, go for it.
There are a lot of great dependable places out there that you can buy quality used Cisco
gear and Meraki where you can get some really nice equipment at a cheap rate.
Meraki, you've obviously got the reoccurring, but Cisco, there's no reoccurring.
You can't.
Now, if you did like a support contract or something like that, that's a different thing.
That's different.
And the main thing you would get out of that is they'll help you with configuration.
If you don't know what you're doing, that's always a win.
You get the software updates, assuming the equipment still is getting updates.
Then with the, depending on what you've got, you could have within five business days,
you could have a replacement product if it was to die.
If you want to go more, you can get next business day.
Depends on how much fun you want to have.
I mean, sure.
Why not?
So made of money.
Again, what is your level of geek and how deep are your pockets?
How deep are your pockets?
Yes.
Always those two questions.
Yes.
And if you're married, please talk to your wife first.
Don't do this on your own.
Yeah.
Don't say, but dear, they told me on the show.
You might want to fill a cart and then figure out what that price actually is.
Absolutely.
Yes.
Man, that was a good one.
That was like drinking from a fire hose though.
Yeah.
We've had a couple of those.
Yeah.
Thanks for bringing the hammer.
Yeah.
We'll definitely get this in the show notes so anybody can go back and kind of look at
what we were going over.
Well, there was a lot of numbers for sure.
There's a lot of numbers.
You're not going to remember that off the top of your head.
No, no, no, no.
Maybe some links to some of these devices or manufacturers and stuff like that too.
Yep.
I'll be curious to see how well the transcript does this particular show.
Yeah, that'd be interesting.
All right, thanks brother.
You enjoyed it, man.
Good time.
Good to see you.
All right.
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