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Adam Curry.

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John C. Dvorak.

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It's May 16th, 2010.

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Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 200.5.

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This is No Agenda.

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Welcome to a special backstage tour of the No Agenda show.

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Coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West.

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In the People's Republic of Southern California.

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In the morning, I'm Adam Curry.

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And it's not really a media assassination today.

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It's a No Agenda assassination.

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I'm John C. Dvorak.

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It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.

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In the morning.

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We still get to say in the morning.

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Yeah, definitely.

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In the morning never goes away.

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You know the thing is we should tell people since this is really a show where we're just essentially going to talk about the show.

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And we're going to answer a lot of questions.

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And probably ask some.

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But you know one of the things you should immediately note.

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We actually had the debate as to whether we're going to play the opening jingle.

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It's kind of sad that we didn't put the debate on the backstage show.

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This is kind of where we.

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Yeah, I think on this show, which is driven by support from our producers slash donors supporters.

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Where we kind of bear it all.

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Not that we have any secrets, I don't think.

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But people just want to know a lot of stuff that we don't put into the show because little known facts.

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We make it look easy.

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And also a lot of this personal stuff that they're asking.

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Because we I sent out a message on Twitter to get some questions.

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And we also got a couple of emails and you worked up some questions yourself.

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To be honest about it, a lot of it is just plain boring.

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Yes, indeed.

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You know John and I have been in.

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In fact, you said this on episode 200.

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We've been in media in all forms of media from print.

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You've probably been around typesetting.

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Actual actually I used to be a typesetter part time when I was in college.

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See doesn't surprise me all the way through to today's reality based television programming.

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And everything in between on mainstream media.

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And I would say, well, I certainly gave up a number of years ago.

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And I am patently unhireable by mainstream media.

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In fact, the last especially after you did that CFC thing.

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Well, yeah, that's right.

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When I said Michael Jackson was probably killed and they cut me off.

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And of course now it turns out he probably was.

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But yeah, the last radio station I was on.

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Which was around the time we started this show actually.

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In fact.

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No, you were doing this show while we were doing this show.

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Yeah, but I think we started this show.

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Yeah, but I'd only done a couple like a week or two.

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And then we started doing this show, right?

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I was doing that first, wasn't I?

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No, I think you were fired during.

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I was fired during.

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We were doing No Agenda when I was fired, but it only just started that show.

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Yeah, no, I think we did it for about a month.

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So I was trying to think back because that was I think 26 of either October or November 2007.

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The first episode was like 35 minutes.

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The good old days.

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Yes, I was living in London, which did give the show a very different flavor.

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I have to say I was also baked out of my mind.

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Although, you know, to be honest about it, I don't think that was apparent.

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And I actually argue with you.

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I don't think your personality has changed that much since you stopped smoking.

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But I, well, there's a couple of episodes there where I remember one time I actually went off on some tangent and I said, dude, I'm so baked.

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I do remember that.

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But the personality, I'm happy to hear that.

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I'm just more awake and I can do more and I'm more focused.

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Yeah. And you finally got a rig that makes me sound decent.

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But that's well, you know, at the end there, at the end there, we had we had a pretty good setup.

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It sounded OK.

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But this is the best one.

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I have to say this is definitely the best one.

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So now we met at I guess.

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What did we meet, John?

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Was I in cranky?

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Well, tangents, tangents dot com on Twitter asked the question.

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The real Dvorak and Curry have a unique relationship.

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How did you guys meet?

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So did you hit it off right away?

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I'll tell you something I found in my crap that arrived from from the UK.

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I found a videotape of the CNET pilots where we actually first met for the very first time.

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Although I probably that was in 1993, three or four, maybe I think was three.

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Yeah. And I and I'm going to get one of those VHS to DVR thingies to to transcode all of this stuff.

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But this was when CNET did not have a website.

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In fact, I registered CNET dot com and said to Halsey Minor, hey, dude, you know, I'll do your email if you want.

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You know, you might want to have a web thing that I think that would be more appropriate for what you're doing here.

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But all right. They paid me like 20 grand to do that pilot, which was nice.

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And you were doing kind of a Glocklin group type roundtable as the pilot for that show.

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Yeah, they I that's kind of interesting because with CNET, they actually went through a whole bunch of people before they decided they wanted me to do it.

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And I didn't really want to do it.

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I actually, to be honest, I never wanted to work for CNET, but I did like the idea of watching Kevin Wendell at work once they brought him.

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He was the guy from Fox.

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Yeah, he's a guy from somewhere.

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He's a Hollywood guy. He had set up the Fox network.

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He was one of the driving programming forces behind Fox.

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I don't remember that.

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Yeah. Whatever the case was, he was a slick operator and it was fun to watch him work.

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And but they first wanted Leo Laporte to be the McLaughlin guy.

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And Leo wanted to do it badly.

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He was always wanted that torque, that sort of gig.

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And because because very serious and it's, you know, this and that.

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And but they had me do it, but that never got off the ground.

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It just wasn't going to work.

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And so then they gave me some other job being a kind of a clownish co-host with Gina St. John.

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Oh, yeah. Well, they offered me to move out to San Francisco and be there full time.

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And they offered like really low salary, but two million shares of stock.

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And I declined. Yeah.

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Well, that was an error. Well, who knows what I was like?

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Well, I know it's a crapshoot. I did the same thing.

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I screwed up.

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How many how many shares outstanding?

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Well, it's vague, right? I was like, you know, I got a pretty good thing here at MTV.

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I'm good.

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So anyway, so we met 93 casually, very casually, very casually.

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But, you know, we followed each other's careers a little bit.

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But then I was kind of triggered by that when you had your moment of richness

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and I was floating around Europe and I ran into a newspaper with one of these one of these papers.

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I think it was a Dutch story somewhere.

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And it had a picture of you and you're some superstar in Holland.

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And this is unbelievable. So this guy makes so much money.

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And so then you showed up in town again.

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And so then we just kind of forced myself.

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Wasn't it a yes. And that was nice.

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But wasn't it a wasn't I on Cranky Geeks when we connected?

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No, I think we met up first and then I put you on Cranky Geeks.

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Well, where the hell was it, John? Because we were.

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I we did some in the email exchange and I said, let's go have lunch or something.

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We had our lunch, our initial the remitting lunch at the Fringal.

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And we talked about, you know, getting some getting a daily news show, the Tech Five thing, ideas like that.

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And then then we went and had a big meeting with Ron in the office.

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Yeah, and you are in Cranky Geeks after that.

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I'm trying to look now in my email if I have something from you from that.

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Must have been 2007, right?

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Probably.

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How do you do that Gmail? Do you do date 2007?

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I don't know.

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Anyway, that's basically the story.

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And then we we I don't know.

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Then we I just we just kind of naturally got really don't know.

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That's the answer. We really don't know how that happened.

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We actually get along just in some funny way.

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It's not really explainable. It's like, you know, you meet somebody and you go, you've known him for a long time.

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So, you know, that they're obviously not assassins.

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Of course, that may not be true.

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But whatever the case is, you you've always had, you know, you had an acquaintance and then you decide that, you know, now you're working together.

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It's almost like, you know, where people meet on a Hollywood set and they're hanging out a lot and then go off their separate ways.

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But instead of going off our separate ways, since we were both at Mevio, we decided to start doing a show.

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And now it's debatable is that, you know, how it got named when we started.

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I think I came up with the name.

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I don't know if that's true. I think you're the one that approved the name.

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Are you going to tell me it was your brain fart?

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I think it was. I say, well, we got, you know, why we got no agenda.

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And then you said, let's call it no agenda.

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That sounds about right, actually. And that sounds good.

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Something like that. And then and then as it evolved, we got into other things which are kind of the same kind of like we don't know who came up with the idea.

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And the donation thing. Well, before we get to that, because the show started off with a very different format.

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It was in fact, I think our first show was on a Friday and like a Friday afternoon, Friday morning for you.

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And we would just talk about stuff and I would grab the Financial Times.

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But we would also just talk about stuff, you know, the difference between America and Europe.

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Right. And it was just like a casual conversation. Just like a conversation.

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Yeah. And this was in my opinion, I've always felt that two guys, an interesting conversation between two people is interesting to everybody.

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And I've always believed I could sell conversations I have with my wife.

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And I always felt that a good conversational show where there's not a lot of rehearsal or preparation, but just guys who just talking about stuff that they know a lot about.

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And coincidentally, because the two of us are so extremely well traveled, I mean, pretty much been everywhere and an observant because, you know, we're generally floating around looking at stuff.

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It turns out that we have enough life experience to have an interesting conversation.

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And we're both from slightly different backgrounds so we could complement each other in ways that I thought was interesting for those people to listen in on.

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Yeah. And from my perspective, I was looking to do a show with total honesty, not in the regard of, oh, let's all hold hands and tell each other a secret, but more like, you know, why don't we just say what it is and not be fake and just talk about stuff and we can contradict and we can have an argument and we don't have to.

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In fact, we had no thoughts even I think about making money doing.

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No agenda.

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Yeah, we had absolutely no agenda. And I was just happy that someone would listen to my bullshit.

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Like, hey, here's a guy who actually knows more than me, because he's been around longer for sure.

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And, and, and, and we'll listen to some of the because I think I was, I was maybe a late bloomer I was like, saying, oh, wait a minute, the world kind of works a little bit differently, because I was so embedded in the hits.

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You know, that's all I did. I played hits on radio on television like, you know, I knew what what all the celebrities were doing and all of a sudden like, this is something else going on here.

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I think I corrupted you more than you corrupted me when it comes to this show.

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Correct. I would agree.

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Mainly because of my natural cynicism. I you know, I took a test one. There's a there was a computer software program some years ago. I've always found it fascinating. That was a career guidance. It was almost like it was a very elaborate tech to computer test.

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You'd answer a million questions. It was like an MMPI or Minnesota multi-phase personality inventory that people takes in some companies.

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It's actually an illegal test. You shouldn't be forced to take it, but it can tell whether you're a psycho and all these other things. And this was the term what your what your career path should be.

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And I took the test a couple of times and it was the weirdest thing to get back at the top of a career path. This is telling you, this is what you should go be doing.

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Right. Critic.

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Really? Yeah. That's awesome.

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That's really good.

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I like that.

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So anyway, so yeah, we've got that thing. We when we started, there's a couple, you know, I got like hand worker on all my tests. You should be shoveling shit, boy. You shouldn't be in any kind of business.

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You might be surprised that test was pretty amazing. I had other people take it was just like nailing people left and right. I wish I could if I could find it in my archive. If you can find it, I'll take it and be producing in a modern format. It would be nice.

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So anyway, we started the show just casually and it had a it really started picking up a following quickly and people were feeding back into the mechanism encouraging the continuation of the show. And then somewhere along the line, this was your idea. I'm sure of it because it could have been mine.

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You decided to do two shows a week.

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Yeah.

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I don't remember why.

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There was some reason because I think we're starting the show was starting to get long.

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Get long. Yeah, we said, well, why don't we why don't we do two shows. Actually, that's when we made a real commitment, though.

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And for now that was much later in the game, we made a real commitment to do two shows after we we said, hey, you know, this is real. We're building an audience.

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But I think we were going for a good year there just on one show. We probably won a year building an audience. So we had kind of a weird audience because there were really your fans separate from my fans and my fans who say you should do the show by yourself.

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You should get rid of Curry and give that motherfucker to the head, man. And I can't believe that you get the same kind of commentary. And it's always made me laugh because it's like, oh, yeah, that's what you want.

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Just some guys talking for solid. By the way, I have never conversation, no pace and flow. I've never received never received an email of someone saying get rid of Dvorak ever.

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I've seen I have seen the get rid of Dvorak meme on Twitter on Twitter, and I've seen it here and I've never seen it. I can't. I've never seen it. Nice then.

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Well, then your fans are less less.

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Hostile. Yeah. Hostile. Okay. So at a certain point, though, I think that what what really drew us together is we're both radio guys at heart.

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I think we're and I know I am and I grew up in radio. Television was more like a sidetrack for me.

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I never felt I am too tall. I'm too lanky. I'm too geeky. I have Tourette's as a whole bunch of stuff that would make me not ideal for television. My head isn't big enough to be really successful.

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Know about that. Yeah, you got to have a huge not not metaphorically speaking, but physically a huge head that that makes you successful on TV.

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We've already established that. Well, but it was our it was our I think I really are our mutual love of radio and the I love radio.

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And the reason there's a lot of reasons I think it should be explored. One is that fact that you don't have to it's it's a different it's different.

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I mean, radio is and this is basically what we're doing is radio and it's a modern form of radio podcasting.

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You don't have to get dressed. You don't have to framp more than that.

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It's theater of the mind is what I like about it. Right. And you can also write the theater of the mind part, which is extremely valuable.

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I don't know. I mean, my first broadcasting training was in Ray. I went to Foothill College for a while and went on and I was on the radio station and I just loved it.

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I produced a radio play and I did a lot of radio. I was up. I got a third class license, which you had to have at one time.

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Oh, yeah. FCC license. I still have mine. Nobody needs them anymore. And I've always liked and I'm very kind of a sound nut.

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I like good quality sound, which is why I was always carping on the quality of this broadcast.

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Even when I was doing when I was doing Silicon Spin at Tech TV, sound is always forgotten on television.

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Yes. And so but as but I made a big stink about it because it sounded so bad. And to the sound engineers that were working there, I was their hero.

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I know. Hero of the sound engineers. Because the sound engineers couldn't get anybody to listen to the fact that they were using cheap mics and they weren't doing notching or anything.

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And so the sound it sounded like a cheap ass production.

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And I think that's interesting is that MIT during the Negroponte era when they had a media lab, they had studied this to death and they had double blind studies over and over again.

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And it kept coming up. If you take a group of people and have them watch a TV show with shitty sound and then have them compare and then show another TV show with really great sound like Dolby five channel longer.

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It's not just that. If when they do an analysis, they claim the pictures better.

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That's fantastic.

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That makes sense. And I'm a sound nut, although I've had a lot of trouble, you know, just because of the technology we've been using.

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But now, OK, so now it's where it should be.

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I am way into creating a custom sound that gives you something that affects the listener in other ways.

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By the way, you have the record button pushed.

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Oh, yes, I do.

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So, you know, we have compression.

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I put noise gates on because I don't want to hear when I'm when either I'm talking or this.

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By the way, I love silence when neither of us say anything.

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The noise gates kick in.

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It's completely silent. If I didn't have those on, then I'd hear your room.

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You know, I'd hear stuff, rusting of papers.

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And that's to me an important part of our sound.

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Because in the beginning, certainly when we had a huge Skype delay, people would be like, oh, you know, I keep grabbing my my iPod or my MP3 player because I think that the thing is stopped or it's crapped out.

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But then you guys talk again and it gets people's attention.

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Silence is beautiful.

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Yeah, yeah, it does work.

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And we have a moment of silence every so often.

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But anyway, so the two of us are kind of have a we have a meanable personalities.

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So we were complimentary.

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We're not, you know, people say, well, you work because you're the opposite.

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No, we're hardly the opposite. Not at all.

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We're just complimentary.

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We have different kind of needs and issues, perspectives, but they're not opposite.

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They're just different.

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And so it worked out.

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So we have a show that works very rare to do these kind of partnerships.

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Somebody else asked a question.

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Let me go to this one.

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Who is the star of the show?

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And of course, that's would be me.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Right on.

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I thought I'd get that in before you gave the same line.

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I was wondering if we could actually say it at the same time.

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I'm like, no, it'll never work on Skype.

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We'll never hit that.

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It's the same moment.

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But that would have been funny on stage.

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So, yeah, in a Smothers Brothers kind of humor way.

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There's no star of the show because and there's no like sidekick.

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I mean, it's not like there's a dominant character.

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I mean, Adam produces the show, so he picks up the dominant side of the production

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because he's the one who hits the buttons, it says in the morning,

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and he's the one who opens the show because he's got all that gear.

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But it's it's just happens to be what you have to do if you're producing.

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Because if I was producing, I would be starting the clips on my cue.

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I'd be starting to do the thing myself.

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But so it's not as somebody has to produce.

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You can't have two producers.

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No, but what happened and a lot of a lot of people talk about this.

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At least I've seen it around like, well, you know, used to be.

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In fact, we used to say the show that has we open we would open the show,

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the show that has no jingles, no sound effects, no agenda.

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And then I think you because people need to know that John is a is a kind of guy.

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And this is I really appreciate this, by the way, who will see something on television

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or find a crazy documentary or something that you're generally interested in.

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And it's often I think it's stuff that you don't even believe in or care about yourself.

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But he'll burn you a DVD and make a nice label on it.

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And, you know, and I'm always amazed by the labels.

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It's always nice art and it's, you know, it's labeled beautifully that way.

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If the feds bust in, they look at it, they say, oh, this bus, this isn't a bootleg.

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This guy's got to be the real deal.

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But that's not like movies.

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It's you know, it's documentaries, it's different shows that he's seen.

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And you handed me a copy of The Family Guy with the episode Weenie and the Butt.

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And that really got the because, again, we're both radio freaks.

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And we figured this would just be funny to do.

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And it kind of stuck.

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And I think that it will be fun.

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That's also where In the Morning came from, by the way.

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And it's such a takeoff on the morning zoo format and which we both,

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I would say, love and hate at the same time.

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Loathe, of course, now it's just so old fashioned.

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But when you listen to this, you can understand why radio guys get off on Weenie and the Butt.

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Two minutes this.

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Oh, that's the Hulu.

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The Hulu pre-roll.

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Watch your favorites anytime for free.

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Hulu.

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Hey, everybody, it's Weenie and the Butt here live at the Kohog Air Show.

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We're all ready for the Weenie Sound-a-like contest.

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I don't know, Butt.

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I don't think they can say my catchphrase because they ain't no funny.

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Oh, there it is.

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And if you think you can say that just like Weenie here, you could win $97.1 for the cool weekend ahead.

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Weenie and the Butt.

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Weenie and the Butt.

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Cool weekends in the morning, $97.1 at them.

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Weenie and the Butt.

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In the morning, cool weekends.

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Yes, I have.

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Weenie.

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Weenie.

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And the Butt.

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And welcome back.

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Excuse me, I gotta find a lost kid.

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Can I use your mic?

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That's what she said.

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Whoa, you got butt slam.

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Whoa.

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Listen, I could really use a hand here.

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That's what he said.

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Butt slam.

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That's Manic Monkey on $97.1.

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Manic Monkey, $97.1.

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Cool weekends in the morning.

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Oh, weekend long.

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Weenie and the Butt.

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In the morning, in the morning.

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On the right radio.

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F-M.

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Give me that.

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Stewie Griffin, will you please report to the radio booth?

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Stewie Griffin.

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Hey, that's quite a voice you've got there.

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You ever think about doing radio?

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Well, I listen to a lot of radio.

365
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Peter and Lois leave the radio on when they go out,

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so I feel like somebody's home.

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Well, here's my card.

368
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Call me if you're interested.

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Hey, OK, we've got our first contestant.

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Let's hear Weenie's catchphrase.

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Danofani.

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I think we have a weener.

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And that's Dickie the Punchline Donkey on $97.1.

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Dickie the Punchline Donkey on Cool 97.1.

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Cool weekends.

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On the radio.

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In the morning.

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F-M.

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Cool.

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WQHG.

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Cool weekends.

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In the morning.

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On 97.1.

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97.1.

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It's one of the greatest moments in Family Guy history.

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It really is.

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And you know they produced all of that stuff,

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and they must have had a ball,

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because it really was like that in the 90s,

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in the 80s, in the 90s.

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Radio was absolutely in the morning.

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On the radio.

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No content.

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97.1.

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No content.

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All filler.

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And I used to hate it.

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We'd have to do liner cards.

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Here, read this, hit the jingle.

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All right, $100.1 in cash for you on Z100.

401
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Z100 serving the universe.

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So we kind of decided, we didn't decide.

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It just happened.

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Most of the show, by the way,

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for people who are asked all these questions,

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it's really an evolution.

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Yeah.

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There's no meetings.

409
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We don't have meetings.

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We don't really talk about it.

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No.

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In fact, if there's a rule,

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we generally agree not to talk about

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what we're going to talk about,

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because we know that what will happen is

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we'll start talking about it,

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and then we bring it up on the show,

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and then it'll always suck.

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It's like, it's like it's been rehearsed.

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There's no tension there.

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Right.

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And you know, so anyway, so this evolved,

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but what happened was then of course you ran into Jeff Smith.

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In the morning.

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And so we ended up getting a bunch of these jingles and things,

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which some people complain about,

427
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but the fact of the matter is it paces the show well.

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It is a mockery of the other model,

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but it adds kind of a nice,

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I don't know what it is.

431
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The atmosphere is improved by it.

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The in the morning thing is used as a rim shot, generally,

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or it should be, and it is often.

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So I say something funny,

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which is very common on the show,

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and then he hits the rim shot.

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Or if you go off on a tangent.

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I'm just saying that it's the same thing.

439
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I'm just saying that it's the same thing.

440
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So we have a bunch of these things, which we use.

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And now we had a couple of questions.

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That's an old radio trick for a segue.

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It's it's really.

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It helps transition the listener's brain from one segment to the next.

445
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It jars you for a moment there.

446
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And if you listen to our last show,

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show 200,

448
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Adam was going off the deep end.

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On some topic.

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So these two, three minutes over, you just stop it.

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And I told him to play the Adam Curry's pet peeve of the day jingle,

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which I knew a transition.

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It would do it, you know, stop him in his tracks.

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I don't see.

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00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,360
That's right.

456
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:05,360
It also stops me.

457
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,360
You're right.

458
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,360
Yeah, it works perfectly that way.

459
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:10,360
So the show here's from one of our listeners.

460
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,360
The show you do today is very different from the show when you first started.

461
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,360
E.G. personal anecdotes are gone.

462
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,360
No, they're not.

463
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:20,360
Audio clips and jingles are now prevalent.

464
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,360
Originally less than an hour a week is now four hours a week.

465
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,360
And listeners are now asked to contribute cash is the show where you want it to be.

466
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,360
Are you planning more changes?

467
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:30,360
We did show just evolved.

468
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,360
So we don't plan anything.

469
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:37,360
Although we do things individually that may or may not stick.

470
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,360
In fact, if anything, we're always trying.

471
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,360
It's more like when I when I find something.

472
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,360
And by the way, we'll get into this, but a lot of people send me stuff.

473
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,360
That's that's how I get a lot of good information.

474
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,360
And either that's good or I'll find something else that is good that that relates to it.

475
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,360
I'm thinking, oh, man, I'm going to blow John away with this.

476
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,360
He's going to love this when I play this.

477
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,360
I can just hear what he's going to say.

478
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,360
That's what I'm thinking.

479
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,360
Yeah, there's that.

480
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,360
And there's the other time they curiously, though, we both tend to be on the same stories, which is kind of interesting.

481
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:18,360
But we had a show I can't remember was about six or seven shows ago where you had actually collected the clips that were all complementary to my.

482
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,360
Yeah. Yeah. Discussion.

483
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,360
And it was like because I didn't get some of these clips that I wanted.

484
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:30,360
You had them. And I actually thought that was the most unbelievable show we've ever done because it it was it looked rigged.

485
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,360
Yeah, it really flowed very nicely.

486
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,360
And that happens from time to time.

487
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360
But yeah, I'm on board with the evolution.

488
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,360
There's nothing is absolutely nothing is planned.

489
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,360
I have my own things.

490
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,360
John has his things.

491
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,360
Sometimes we might send each other a link from time to time.

492
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,360
And even then, usually the link doesn't get discussed because we saw.

493
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,360
Well, whatever, you know, it's over.

494
00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:00,360
But we have a couple of common interests of things that are funny that we think are funny.

495
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,360
Usually they have to do with mainstream media.

496
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:13,360
I think that's that's the most fun is when we when we rag on mainstream media and pull it apart and simultaneously open people's eyes as to what's really going on in on television.

497
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:27,360
You know, that may have been triggered by the weenie in the butt episode of probably of the family guy, because once we start once we became started mocking that model, we started looking at the media, bitching about it generally on a higher plane.

498
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,360
I believe than the than the people at Fox have ever thought of.

499
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:37,360
And we started we realized that it was actually we were entertaining ourselves and we knew it was very valuable information.

500
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,360
And we had the time.

501
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,360
It's not like anyone can't do this, but most people work for a living.

502
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:49,360
If you're to have a job at Goldman Sachs and you're there till, you know, seven at night and you have to get in early, whatever.

503
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,360
And then you have to drink all day, which seems to be what the job is about.

504
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:59,360
And strippers, you know, what strippers, you don't have time to go and start digging around these stories.

505
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:05,360
To find the one, you know, the missing element or the kind of the crazy connection.

506
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,360
You just haven't got time to do it.

507
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:13,360
And then, you know, the fact that the mainstream media doesn't do it and they don't is just makes you wonder.

508
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:21,360
So I will say that there were two seminal moments when we had our equivalent of a meeting.

509
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,360
And the one is when we spoke on the phone and said, you know what?

510
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,360
This thing is real. This is really catching on.

511
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,360
Let's do two shows a week that I do remember.

512
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,360
And that was like, oh, you know, something's happening here.

513
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,360
This is really special. We should just do it.

514
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:40,360
And then I even I even recall you saying, OK, I've got to switch this around.

515
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,360
I've got cranky geeks on Wednesday.

516
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:51,360
I mean, this is when we started to really integrate this show into our daily schedule, into our lives, because actual work does go into it.

517
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,360
I don't know about you, but I every single day.

518
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Here's my system. I have labels set up in my email, like Gmail labels.

519
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:10,360
And whenever I come across something that I think is interesting or that someone sends me or that I find, I'll email it and tag it with that label.

520
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,360
So I have a label now for show 201.

521
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:22,360
And then the night before the show, that is, if I haven't found anything that that showed up that I really needed to dig into,

522
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:34,360
which, of course, can take hours of extra work and investigation, then I sit down and I start to start to assemble everything into a huge outline of stuff.

523
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,360
And then I have to read everything, look at all the YouTube clips.

524
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:47,360
And in the meantime, whenever I can, without destroying my relationship, I'm watching C-SPAN, C-SPAN one, two and three.

525
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:55,360
I'll skim by HLN, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, just to see what they're doing, see if I find anything funny.

526
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,360
I find myself watching less of Fox these days. It's just too annoying for me.

527
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:08,360
But C-SPAN, I find to be just I love it so much. To me, that is it is actual entertainment.

528
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:15,360
And of course, C-SPAN has done a great job with their video library, because all you have to do is remember a line that someone said,

529
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,360
which is typically what I'm looking for. You go to the archive, you type it in, search transcripts.

530
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:26,360
It'll search the transcripts and come up with that actual piece of video and cue the video to the spot where the line is.

531
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,360
I mean, it's amazing what they've done there. It's a very valuable resource.

532
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,360
And you know, the thing is, on the weekend, they have this what I really like.

533
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,360
I mean, I like the regular C-SPAN, but on the weekend, they have this book TV. Yeah.

534
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:44,360
They bring these various writers in, and many of them have written crazy books, one way or the other, right wing, left wing, everything.

535
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:51,360
And they sit them down with a guy who really is a good conversationalist or sometimes somebody that's in their same field of study.

536
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:57,360
And they talk to him for an hour or more, usually an hour. And it's like a whole hour.

537
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:03,360
And it's basically it's like books on tape. I mean, you get the whole pretty much the perspective you're looking for.

538
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:11,360
You find everything out from this person. It's just amazing. It's much better than any talk show, Charlie Rose or any of these commercial things.

539
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,360
And what's nice about that is I know I kind of know what you're watching.

540
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,360
So I know that I don't have to. And I must say from time to time, it happens every other week.

541
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:29,360
Probably you'll either you'll send me. Sometimes I send you an SMS, a text message saying, dude, C-SPAN 3 now.

542
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,360
Right. And then we'll both sit down and watch something at the same time.

543
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,360
This has happened to me that I've been in the car and I get like C-SPAN 2 now.

544
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:42,360
I'm like, oh, crap. But I luckily have the C-SPAN iPhone app and I'll listen to the audio. It's like it's sickening.

545
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,360
We're like we're like the guys from The Muppets. It's a little crazy. Yeah, it is.

546
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:54,360
But it's not as though, you know, and the funny thing is, I don't think when we first began the show that we're going to get so heavily embedded into current events to this extreme.

547
00:34:54,360 --> 00:35:00,360
And like somebody says, you know, your show was about you guys going out to dinner and, you know, and it's yeah, it was a lot of moments.

548
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:13,360
And we still discuss wine and food occasion when it comes up. And but we don't instead of sitting around talking about our meal that people can live vicariously through our, you know, steaks and and Cabernet.

549
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:22,360
It did get pretty much kind of just went by the wayside because it wasn't I don't know if the audience also drove that.

550
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:30,360
And the only way to measure that is by feedback that you get and the growth of the audience. And it was pretty clear what people were interested in.

551
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:37,360
And they were interested on our take of current events were interested in our unveiling, if you will.

552
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:46,360
And this is purely because of our experience, our unveiling of the bullshit and the I would say the deception of mainstream media.

553
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:53,360
And it's and and I think it's helped a lot of people see things in a different light. And that's what the audience wants.

554
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,360
And, you know, John, you and I are both in the audience business at the end of the day.

555
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,360
Yeah. And in fact, it is. You can tell by the way people send you notes.

556
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:09,360
I mean, yeah, every once in a while, somebody that was there from the original show and they kind of like the fact that we have a wine tip once in a while, which I can still do.

557
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:21,360
Or there's some observation we made about the trends in food. That's fine, which which is now different than me complaining on the earlier show, the show 200 about the raw milk issues.

558
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:37,360
That's a kind of a foodie thing. But the point is, is that the people that really got jacked up and the ones are pretty much financing the show because they send in big contributions and say, wow, we like the way you deconstruct these stories, the way you tear them apart, the way you show us.

559
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,360
Me, as it were, the way you show me that this that I'm being led astray.

560
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:48,360
People, it's very valuable for people to have some sense of understanding of what they're being bombarded with.

561
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,360
So when did we start asking for donations?

562
00:36:53,360 --> 00:37:00,360
That began sometime in 2009.

563
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,360
I believe we semi-seriously may have done something in late 2008.

564
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:11,360
And I know is I can say this because I can look at the PayPal account since we did it as a PayPal thing.

565
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:20,360
And we did it at the beginning, I think, with trepidation, not complete trepidation.

566
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:29,360
But I think you may have a little more night because I've always felt there is a model of direct support.

567
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:36,360
And I was thinking about this, I kept to keep thinking of different arguments because the ones that do it the best are public broadcasting.

568
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,360
And you're right. That's what it was.

569
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,360
We were talking about that. And then we were talking about PBS.

570
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:52,360
And I said, why do those dickheads who are clearly shills, not all and all the time, but why do they get away with this?

571
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,360
And why do people support that?

572
00:37:53,360 --> 00:38:01,360
It appears that we have a large number of people who like us the same way they either currently do or used to like public broadcasting.

573
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:07,360
Right. And public broadcasting also has the issue with the fact that they have commercials.

574
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:15,360
And we really played up a couple of clips that we developed, we found, about admitting that they're underwriters.

575
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,360
Let's play that one because we can't play that enough.

576
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:30,360
This was the president of PBS. NPR. Was NPR? Yes, NPR. Being asked about underwriters.

577
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,360
Yeah, about their underwriters and how the state of affairs. And here was our answer.

578
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:39,360
OK, moving on to money. How are NPR's corporate underwriting revenues holding up in the recession?

579
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,360
And what about foundation grants? Two different stories.

580
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:50,360
Underwriting is down. It's down for everybody.

581
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:59,360
I mean, this is the area that is most down for us is in sponsorship, underwriting, advertising. Call it whatever you want.

582
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,360
Right. Call it whatever you want. And then I think we started to open people's eyes.

583
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,360
This is kind of the way it went. We started to open people's eyes about how it really worked.

584
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,360
And people are like, wow, you know, Monsanto sponsors this.

585
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,360
Arthur Daniel Midland sponsors that. And we're like, well, OK, so how about the objective reporting about those companies?

586
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,360
Well, that doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot of it.

587
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,360
And I think a lot of people's this is maybe how it really started, John, and I'm just vague on it.

588
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:30,360
But as people start to send us like a hundred dollars and say, well, this is what I would have normally spent on PBS, the national treasure.

589
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:36,360
I want to spend it on you. And I think that's where we said, oh, wait a minute, there's something here.

590
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,360
Well, we definitely had again, this is what this is the problem with answering questions like this.

591
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,360
We don't know what we're doing. Yeah, we're idiots.

592
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:53,360
No, it is an evolutionary show. And like with anything in evolution, just a model, it's very difficult to put your finger on a spot.

593
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,360
I mean, we can do the weenie and the and the butt spot. And that had some influence.

594
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,360
And we can point right to it. But the rest of it is always vague because it just kind of evolved.

595
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:10,360
We were actually very, you know, being an open source show, which is another idea that we decided to go with.

596
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,360
In other words, we don't care if you steal the show.

597
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,360
I actually do remember I was in New York with Mickey and it was winter.

598
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:31,360
It must have been winter 2009. And I remember I called you and I said, you know, hey, this this model that we've been kind of well, not really working on, but that has evolved.

599
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,360
It seems to be working. We should really go for this. We should really try.

600
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:42,360
And I think at that point, I said, boy, I would love to do this full time. I would love to do nothing else but this. I enjoy it so much.

601
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:52,360
Well, I mean, well, the model, as I remember, I was always for it from the get go because I've always admired the model itself.

602
00:40:52,360 --> 00:41:00,360
I always admire the fact that you can get if you get you give people what you know, essentially, you if you're doing it, it's like the Max Headroom thing where they had the direct numbers.

603
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,360
You know, the guy was the show was going downhill. The numbers would go down and you can see it in real time.

604
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:11,360
You can see if we're doing the right thing, if we're doing a good job directly, it's not as you can't.

605
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,360
It's value for value. You can't go off the deep end.

606
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,360
We can't turn the show into like an analysis of the 60s music.

607
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,360
And that's all we talk about for two hours and expect to get any money from anyone.

608
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:30,360
So we're only doing it at the same time. We don't obviously don't want to be pushed around by the audience.

609
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:36,360
We have to lead them as as opposed to just doing whatever they want.

610
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,360
So you have to have some leadership. This is like a company that, you know, you don't focus group everything.

611
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,360
Focus grouping takes you. It shows you what they used to like.

612
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,360
But if you want to move the show in new directions or try different things, you actually have to experiment with it.

613
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,360
But you will get that feedback. You're going to get a pushback.

614
00:41:53,360 --> 00:42:00,360
And now, you know, this sucks. Don't do that again. And, you know, and then the donations go way down.

615
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:06,360
So it's an interesting tightrope walk, but it's direct support from the listeners.

616
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,360
And people have come up with all kinds of different complaints about it.

617
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Well, you know, you know, why do we have to spend a hundred dollars?

618
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,360
Because I can go see a movie for 50 bucks and they put a lot of money into making those movies.

619
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,360
And you guys don't put any money into making this show.

620
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,360
And they this is kind of weird kind of complaints about production costs.

621
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:33,360
I've been getting every once in a while. And I might I never had a real good retort for it, except, well, it's, you know, it's different.

622
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,360
Like you're paying for books on tape. It's like a book. We're really competing with books on tape.

623
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,360
We're not competing with Avatar. And then I started thinking about the world's competing with radio.

624
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,360
But, you know, radio, you get twenty two minutes an hour of action. Well, less radio is terrible.

625
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:53,360
Seventeen minutes of programming and thirteen minutes of commercials. You know, make your choice.

626
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,360
Right. And how much is your time worth? So I've used that argument.

627
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,360
But then I also found another one which I really haven't exploited on the show.

628
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,360
But, you know, because people that this production well, it costs a lot of money to make a movie.

629
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:11,360
What about a novel? Novels are one of the first in that one of the first businesses that are directly user supported.

630
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:17,360
Good point. You buy a book. Good point. And you read the book and you've you know, you've already paid your money.

631
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:25,360
Of course, unlike our show, the book you pay in advance for the book and you pay in advance for the for the Avatar movie.

632
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,360
You pay in advance for a lot of these things. We don't do that.

633
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:33,360
We're more of the church model where you, you know, if you don't like the sermon, you don't have to put anything in the coffers.

634
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:39,360
But it's the same thing. Your books are user supported. And there's no ads in a book.

635
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:47,360
No. And once you get over the personal hurdle coming from mainstream, where, by the way, we hate commercials.

636
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,360
I've always hated commercials. I hate that's what the TV are such a godsend.

637
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,360
But I mean, just even as a creative as a creator of content, I'm like, oh, you know, I got it.

638
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,360
I got to hit the commercial break. I got to wait for the commercial.

639
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,360
Oh, yeah. No, they're terrible. You got to interrupt your flow.

640
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,360
Watch one of these shows. Anyone listening to this on Fox or any places and they get somebody in a really heated debate.

641
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:13,360
But they're on a hard break. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I've seen this with Tom Brokaw and the president.

642
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:21,360
And, you know, and they got some some guys screaming in his ear, counting down the commercial and the president's actually just saying something really interesting.

643
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,360
It's annoying. It's very, very annoying as a creator to go through that.

644
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:35,360
But then it was kind of weird. At least for me, it was, you know, you feel embarrassed to ask people for money.

645
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:42,360
And there is a psychological hurdle. But once you're over that, it's not over it pretty quickly.

646
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:48,360
It's easy sailing. You know, it's like, hey, I had a little I had some pushback from the family.

647
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,360
It's like and I won't say who, but they know who they are.

648
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,360
Yeah. So how can you bring yourself to begging for money for this?

649
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,360
How can you do that? It's been you to can't you get some advertisers?

650
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,360
I don't want any advertisers if I can get money directly from the listeners.

651
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,360
I mean, why would I want that? It screws up the product.

652
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,360
It ruins the product. I mean, there's nobody.

653
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,360
And the thing is, most of the people have not.

654
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:20,360
We've taken it to one of the reasons we do this show and we do this the money asking for money and support donations is because whatever you want to call it,

655
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:26,360
it's because it's it's it gets as closer to the audience.

656
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,360
It's actually a good close connection. You know, you know, you know what you're getting for your money.

657
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:37,360
At some point it becomes a it just it just makes you feel more honest.

658
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,360
And there's another thing we did, which I know was my initiative.

659
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:47,360
And I think it it helped us in a number of ways is we decided to stream it live when we do the show.

660
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,360
And that that did a number of things. One, it gave at least me.

661
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,360
I appreciate the instant feedback loop of the chat room.

662
00:45:54,360 --> 00:46:02,360
Now, I can't watch it all the time, but sometimes a punch line will come through and they're always on a 25 second delay.

663
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,360
So it's interesting how that works.

664
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,360
But a punch line will come through or someone might drop a link in there.

665
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:18,360
But I personally, even even if I didn't have the chat room, just knowing that people are listening live at that moment gives me an energy that I've always loved doing things live.

666
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,360
I'm not a big fan of recording.

667
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:28,360
If I have to record something, it's got to be live to tape like I do daily source code, like you do cranky geeks, all of that stream live as well.

668
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:35,360
Now, I just want it live, live, live, because then you can leave all the warts in there and all the all the crazy shit.

669
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,360
And that actually makes it more interesting when it's not highly produced.

670
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:45,360
And it also forces us to kind of, you know, I think before we were doing it live, it's like, hey, what time should we do the show?

671
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,360
Well, I got this. I got that.

672
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,360
Now it's like there's my schedule is Thursday morning.

673
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,360
I get up at the same six thirty.

674
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,360
I get up and from then on out, it's no agenda.

675
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,360
Sunday morning, six thirty. I get up from then on out.

676
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,360
It's no agenda. Yeah, I know.

677
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,360
I have the same thing. I said occasionally we've had to move the show to Wednesday night.

678
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,360
It hasn't. We haven't had that in a long time.

679
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,360
No, we're going to have it next month because I have a travel thing that's interrupting both shows.

680
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,360
Which brings me to.

681
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,360
Oh, well, let me finish one more thing about the donations.

682
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:25,360
One of the things that when we went into the donation thing, we started asking for money, direct support from the listeners.

683
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,360
This has never really been.

684
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,360
I've been figuring this out because it's a form of marketing that interests me.

685
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,360
But one of the things that people say, well, you can't make it.

686
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,360
I'm sure you're starving to death and you can't do it.

687
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,360
Why don't you get an advertiser?

688
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:45,360
They always say no one except us. And I believe me, I haven't seen anything close.

689
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,360
And there may be some religious programing that I'm not aware of.

690
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:57,360
But nobody doing podcasting professional level, good quality podcasting as we're doing, has taken it serious.

691
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,360
Yeah, we are seriously, you know, we have programs we can with the night thing.

692
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,360
We've got a different kinds of this. We also don't call it a tip jar.

693
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,360
We don't work for tips. Yeah.

694
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,360
We do this. We're seriously doing this. And it's like take it or leave it.

695
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,360
This is the model we're working with. It's going to be a lot better.

696
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,360
The product you're going to get a lot better if you forget anything out of it, you get something out of it, you know, contribute.

697
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,360
I mean, just the way it was just new.

698
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,360
Do you feel the show serves as more than just a source of entertainment?

699
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,360
If yes, what do you hope to accomplish?

700
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:40,360
Well, first of all, let me say from my perspective, I absolutely see this as a form of entertainment.

701
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:46,360
I hope everyone is entertained by our show. They have to be. If you're not entertained, we have blown it.

702
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,360
You have there has to be a moment where an entertainment comes in in different ways.

703
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,360
It can be funny. It can be dramatic. It can be sad.

704
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,360
It can be frightening, whatever emotion button we're hitting.

705
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,360
It has to be entertainment. Otherwise, why listen?

706
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,360
Let me just be boring.

707
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,360
I remember somebody sent us a link. So, well, there's a couple of people that do a show like yours.

708
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,360
And they sent us a link to somebody's show that was very much like ours.

709
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,360
They deconstructed the news a bit. They tended to not to have our perspectives.

710
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,360
But they, you know, they did a fairly decent job. And it was so dull.

711
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:28,360
They had no it was just like this academic. You can't get, you know, it's just the modern audience is the modern audience.

712
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:38,360
And no matter how intellectual you might think you are, you will be better served by someone who feeds you information in a way that that keeps your attention.

713
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,360
And to keep your attention, you have to have an element of entertainment.

714
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:48,360
Our personalities, generally speaking, I think are are are the entertainment.

715
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,360
Also, and I've only had this one my humor, of course.

716
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Obviously, I've only had this one other time in my career. Sometimes you just find these magical combinations and it's not by design.

717
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,360
You can't train for it. You can't go to school for it.

718
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,360
It just happens. And you have these combos that just work.

719
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:13,360
And this is one of those that just work. In fact, my biggest fear now, and I know what yours is, John, but my biggest fear is you're going to roll over and die one day.

720
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,360
And the show will be over. And I know you're in years at least.

721
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,360
And you're afraid I'm going to go crazy and leave Mickey and go off the deep end.

722
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,360
I mean, I know you're thinking, yeah, I think that can happen any minute.

723
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:34,360
Our pledge asks on Twitter, Mr. Devorek, your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train.

724
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,360
There's the meme. Why are you so popular?

725
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,360
I think we answered that question just now.

726
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:49,360
Also, the no agenda chat folks wanted the moderator should be invited. They've donated a lot of their time. Well, they're invited to listen to the show and we're done with it.

727
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,360
Next time, maybe we can do something more for them.

728
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:58,360
This show is the first one a long time that we're not streaming live, but also this is a different type of show.

729
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:04,360
We're just kind of. So let's answer the second part of that question, though. What do you hope to accomplish?

730
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,360
What do you hope to accomplish, John, with this show?

731
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:18,360
I think at something and this is going to be this sounds really this is not going to sound good because I because it makes you sound there's a kind of a.

732
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:31,360
Well, you'll see what I eat cake. No, no, I think that we I think honestly believe that we're doing it a serious public service to bring people generally people that are listening to the show.

733
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:46,360
I've always believed this with me, even when I'm a writer, people always say, well, what do you what when I'm writing like in PC magazine, when I was writing all those years and inside track, I always had a vision of what what was I trying to accomplish and what I was trying to accomplish because I knew it would get me more readers.

734
00:51:46,360 --> 00:52:04,360
It's a selfish reason, by the way, I knew it would get me more readers. My concept was if I could if somebody read my column and they're working in a cubicle and my my column was designed to give them an edge over the guy in the other cubicle who wasn't reading my column.

735
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:18,360
And I've always believed that this is your value proposition. It's a phrase I hate, but was one of the things I've always it's always in the back of my mind. I'm trying to give people some edge over the people who aren't paying attention to me.

736
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Oh, no, this is basically we want you the audience to be able to get laid because you sound smarter listening to us.

737
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:39,360
Exactly. I mean, at the end of the day, isn't that it or a job or a promotion or anything it can enrich your life because you had that one little bit of information that someone went, oh, like I said something interesting.

738
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:52,360
Well, she has an interesting take on stuff that and for me, it's that maybe it's just that this is for you know, I'll tell you what it is for this is I think I was born to do this.

739
00:52:52,360 --> 00:53:15,360
I think everyone is born to do something and it took me a long time with a lot of detours and I've been counting down the hits and I've you know I've pretended to run companies with varying degrees of success but but basically riding off of fame and fortune, which in itself is interesting to have a perspective from from that angle.

740
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:33,360
But this I love this I so love it and people say man you work really hard you do a lot we have house guests and they'll be like my god Adams always on that thing and he's editing and he's recording stuff I love it and it's not it doesn't even feel like work I love this I love what we do I love what I do.

741
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:49,360
It is that's also completely selfish but forget your late. Hey, no, no good actually good works generally are selfish at some level because you, you know, if you think you're helping somebody sometimes it's selfish because you get a good feeling from it and that's a selfish thing.

742
00:53:49,360 --> 00:54:01,360
Although it wouldn't be defined as such by anybody in their right mind. So let's talk about the open source model for just a way before we do that since you brought kind of brought it up I want to bring in Simon Smith's question from Twitter which says when you, when you offer relationship

743
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:07,360
advice on no agenda my wife doesn't react well to the hookers and blow angle.

744
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,360
Really, she should try it.

745
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,360
What does that mean. I don't know some people just.

746
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:37,360
You know we do get. I hear a certain thing, two things I hear. One is, people don't like the hookers and blow because they put some people off. Okay. That's just who we are I guess and we find it amusing, you know, I don't think, John, I've never done blow, and I certainly have never done the combination

747
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,360
of hookers and blow at the same time.

748
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:46,360
So you admit to doing hookers. Yeah, absolutely. You like you've never done hookers.

749
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,360
I don't discuss these things in public.

750
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,360
By the way the hooker situation is a cycle.

751
00:54:52,360 --> 00:55:03,360
And the 30s of the 70s, big lots of hookers and so we're going to we're going into a new cycle of hookers in the probably were starting around 2012.

752
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:10,360
I am not against hookers I think that there's a lot of bad stuff that happens in the sex industry.

753
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:23,360
But if you know there's a lot of women who support their children and, and themselves and if that's what they want to do and it can be done in a safe manner power to you I grew up in Amsterdam I saw it working quite well thank you.

754
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:32,360
What's the problem is when it gets driven underground. Yeah, that's a whole separate show. So now what was your right now what was the second one.

755
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:44,360
Well I try to help people listen to the show but then they hear the opening and the whole in the morning thing I think it's some BS, top 40, you know we need in the butt show and then they don't listen.

756
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:51,360
And I don't know what we can do about that nothing but I actually like it because you have to once you get over that hump.

757
00:55:51,360 --> 00:56:07,360
And then you can get kind of sucked in so no, that's also a mask that's probably important you imagine like some meeting going on at the NSA or the CIA and they're like, Yeah, we've got to get rid of these guys I hear bad things about that curry and devour actless listen to

758
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:13,360
the show, and they hear this whole in the morning bit, and like, that can't be anything.

759
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:26,360
That definitely puts like puts people off maybe echelon you know echelon is is snipping our show and they're like, Oh, this can't be just just what you said the guy goes into a meeting says these guys are there they're subversive these two guys.

760
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:36,360
And the guy says really well let me hear what let me hear the show and then they start playing it with that opening.

761
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:52,360
And then they say, Oh, I'm going to get out of my office you crack pot get out of here. By the way, that is, now that you mention it. I purposely love, and I don't know who came up with the moniker but I love being called the crack pot because it is the ultimate shield.

762
00:56:52,360 --> 00:57:06,360
And some of the stuff we say and I think we get pretty close to the truth and a lot of issues. I would rather people say I he's just a conspiracy theories he just a crack pot, because that will save me from getting killed.

763
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:22,360
Yeah, I think it's a good theory. And it's an unlikable theory but the guy you know we shout to track down the guy who who coin coin crack pot and buzzkill. It was an email I got and we mentioned on the next show we mentioned it and you thought it was great to be called the crack pot.

764
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:37,360
Yeah, I love it. And so, then we are artwork started to have a crack pot and buzzkill put on it so we just reiterated the whole thing we should. So now please let's move into that open source nature of the show so two amazing things which are a part of the model,

765
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:45,360
a part of the, the openness and the and the freedom and the and the support through donations is we don't own anything.

766
00:57:45,360 --> 00:58:02,360
We don't. Well, I mean, I guess technically if you really looked at it we do but we don't microphone. Yeah, but the show is whatever it is. And we have people cutting this up splicing it putting it into all kinds of you know making a rants ring tones, making

767
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:16,360
music out of it. But we also have people who who create things to a lot of our jingles by the way we could use a lot more and we love them but we are very critical we don't just use everything people send in a lot of people send in stuff that we just feel is not good enough.

768
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,360
We have

769
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:30,360
artwork, and we have two main artists, sir Randy Asher and Sir Paul T. And they, you know, these guys have jobs they do. Who knows what they do.

770
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:41,360
And, and they, they spend their time they create artwork for us for almost every single show now there's no agenda art.com where people can drop art and we've used the art from different artists.

771
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:49,360
If anything, we, so after every show people should know we have a discussion. So the first thing we say is what do we think of the show.

772
00:58:49,360 --> 00:59:00,360
And there's been a couple times we said well that sucked and we're pretty brutal with each other although john never agrees with my criticism of him. If I say well you sucked on that it's like no that was really good.

773
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:05,360
And if you criticize me you're usually right and I just take it like a man.

774
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,360
So we, we talk about that.

775
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:17,360
And then we talk about what essentially support post mortem that most publications do. Yeah, then we'll say what, what do we call the show.

776
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:25,360
We think about what will get the best SEO results what will people be searching we want all those accidental hits.

777
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:40,360
And then we have to choose from the artwork and that is sometimes the hardest part because it's so good we don't want to, you know, have one guy put off over the other guy because they both sent in something great it's that's a hard choice sometimes.

778
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:55,360
It's amazing we have. And there's other artists waiting in the wings that contribute on an occasional basis. We have some tremendous support from these guys and then you know Asher set up his own t shirt shop and through I don't know what it what mechanism and you know we

779
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:10,360
have no agenda stuff calm stuff. Yeah, and we have you know all these guys and we've encouraged it and we don't we don't have our name trademark somebody came up with an email the other day that sent it sent it well I think I got a good promotional idea.

780
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:25,360
And then every time you hear anybody saying it on any show whatsoever, send them a cease and desist order and then they'll vote you, and you'll get free publicity, although it's actually a funny idea but it's not our model at all.

781
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:40,360
And we hate work. Yeah, we don't we actually don't want to do anything. We just want to do the show. We don't want to have any extra work we don't want to do any, you know, extra promotion stuff that involves leaving a computer.

782
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:50,360
Yeah, and I had these other guys the guys that mevio say come up, you know that come up to me oh you know why don't you guys, you guys should at least sell some t shirts you should do we tried that once.

783
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:59,360
And it was like, we can't get it together. We were we stink. Yeah, we suck at that we're absolutely horrible at organization.

784
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:04,360
People also know the donations come into john's PayPal account.

785
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:18,360
Actually now and now we do have our own PayPal account no agenda show, you know, there's like, you know, just like, we just you know every month or six weeks or whatever we just split it down the middle and you know there's no accounting there's no spreadsheets is

786
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:23,360
like we don't need the accounting is done by the banks. Right.

787
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:39,360
Right. But it's just like, whatever I mean, real work not necessary. In fact, Eric, who you brought in actually does the hardest part which we were starting to really suck at which was a list of donors for each show, because that was, you know, we get people you know people

788
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:53,360
want to want to hear, hear their name and I think we pretty much have established anything over $50 gets mentioned unless someone puts in expressly that it's anonymous and also that we have to track closely.

789
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:59,360
And it's a it's a lot of administrative work that we're no good at.

790
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,360
No, we suck. Yeah.

791
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,360
We do Eric. Yeah, we do.

792
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:24,360
Eric sends us a spreadsheet with the you know the producers and all this stuff so we don't have to do anything. We just go down the list and say well here's the guys that gave us money we do have to mention the, we had a number of people I think we have about 87 to 95 people that

793
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:38,360
are in the deuce club which by the way closes at midnight even though we're not going to promote it by the time you hear this is probably close time you hear this is going to be over. But, and we have to thank them all and then we did many of them made some comments but we're probably

794
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:53,360
going to put we're not going to restart reading comments on today's show I just don't want to do want to acknowledge everybody and do you I have an older spreadsheet apparently I have a couple of them here I don't have the I have to go to PayPal to get the latest

795
01:02:53,360 --> 01:03:05,360
Well why don't I start with this with the nights, because it was nice a couple of people became a night through their support for the deuce club, and a couple already were nights and supported this show in addition.

796
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:19,360
So why don't I start with that and go down the list. All right, well you do that I'll go open the PayPal thing okay Sir William are cancer Troy Walters Sir Tom Derry Sir Todd Simon Sir Stephen Sir Roman Sir Rob C.

797
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:40,360
Lock Sir Lawrence Royk Sir Jordy Ramirez Sir John Matthews Sir john Kilbum Sir Jeffrey Gerlach Sir Daniel stack China Neils. I don't know if China Neils is that Neils Neils China Neils I think he's a he may not he may be a night and war on the way.

798
01:03:40,360 --> 01:04:05,360
Also, Sir night noir Philip Evans, then we have just running down the list of people by the way most of them I think from the United States. I actually have a want to talk about the breakdown sports show later, and I'll Carlos Quimby Ryan story Brian Kaufman, Andrew black bomb, Jeff Brown Ruben Zhang, Tim.

799
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:30,360
He, Homer, Adam Birk pile Adam Birk pile is a creator of the pocket no agenda app so he's donating from his proceeds from that, Mike Scalora Aaron Cole Christopher Scalenda, Mark, but afford David overbeck Brian man Q so Randy Asher that's there to be Sir Randy Asher Roy pledge Matthew Walker Robert Johnson

800
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:54,360
Chris Slovowski, Slovinsky, Fred, Slovinsky, Fred lust Kevin Schneider, Simon Alicia Lee Canyon Bruce Salkovitz Luca Capodoro Matthew Peyton Terry Heyman Eric Thomas and David Rudolph Bucker backer bad Baker Baker no it's from phony so it'd be da for the Rudolph

801
01:04:54,360 --> 01:05:17,360
Bucker. He's from it would be because in though that's interesting because that's pronounced Baker in the United States. Yeah, but we call that Bucker. Okay, Bucker. McTank, Jonas Astrum, Craig Lennox J Brown Joseph ransom Keith Bradshaw Stefan Springer, Nina, Kristin Hetland. Okay, first woman.

802
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:33,360
This is this. Yeah, but then it follows up with another one. Claudia Gerber. So I will say this is a problem that we have the report the the balance of men to women is really skewed heavily male.

803
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:45,360
And, although our age ranges I love the demographics of our, our audience. Yeah, we got everybody it's really from 13 to 88.

804
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:52,360
That would be me. Yeah, but, but women, not so many. Sam Lung Ling.

805
01:05:52,360 --> 01:06:00,360
Edward Hillman David Evans Tommy Horton Matthew Gref Michael stodgy horror.

806
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:16,360
Stodgy horror. That's a tough one. I don't know stodgy horror starts that you start you. I don't know. Samuel Funderplunk, our buddy. Niven Brooks Cliff Wilson, Charles Anderson, Alan Bose.

807
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:43,360
Max, LaCret's, Josh Feldman, Jesse, Simone, or Simenon Simone Simone and James Callahan Malcolm Blair James Murray, Matthew Moss, Simon Reed, Adam Colby or Colb I think Colby probably Robert tenant tenant, James Spitzer David Rosa, Eric Bowden stop.

808
01:06:43,360 --> 01:07:01,360
Hunter Hillygus, who sent us number. I know so many of these people feels kind of weird. Michael Snyder Trevor voucher Barry Wilson, Tony Drews Jake Kelly, Andrea Garnier and our favorite name, who was the sexiest woman in Canada.

809
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:17,360
Dorothy Doring, so that's four women now, Daniel Rudolph and Carrie washamoto. That's what I have on my list. Yeah, and then there's a few that came in late. I mentioned them which is whoops, the right page up here.

810
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:32,360
We like five monitors.

811
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:37,360
Okay, slower.

812
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,360
W O U T E R voucher.

813
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:47,360
SEL J E E.

814
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,360
That's what it says.

815
01:07:51,360 --> 01:08:11,360
SEL J E E maybe no, it'll be gay. Okay, Jim Kaitola, Luke from hold.

816
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:25,360
Cool man Ray baby. Cool man Ray. I'm cool man Ray Lena no boo hara. That's another woman so it's five. Five. Carlos Quimby Ryan story.

817
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,360
And I think we already have Brian Kaufman and he came in last night.

818
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:35,360
So, or do we do we have a Roman visiting on there. I did not.

819
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:44,360
I don't think I read the name. Okay, well then we have Brian Kaufman Roman visiting Andrew Blackburn and Jeff Brown.

820
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:52,360
So, john, would you, would you, would you like to basically do this full time and quit everything else.

821
01:08:52,360 --> 01:09:01,360
Well, I'm never going to quit being a writer because that's a cross promotional thing and it's something I can just do casually as a form of meditation it's like quitting cooking.

822
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:08,360
Or breathing or breathing so yeah but I would but you know I don't really have anything else to do but this show.

823
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,360
Oh bull crap.

824
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:14,360
Seriously, while you're right I got to finish that book.

825
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,360
Yeah.

826
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,360
Yeah, I wish that.

827
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:24,360
What do you think do we have to quadruple quintuple our.

828
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:37,360
I think I'd be honest about it I think if we triple if we keep doing the promotions like we do, and we you know there's another one down the road every about once a month we do one and I really by the way we really thank everybody who joins the deuce club we're going to put a

829
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,360
page up with all your names if you didn't get mentioned.

830
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,360
Let us know. And we'll mention you on the on a real show.

831
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,360
And, but I think we got it all.

832
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:52,360
Yeah, the point is is that we have.

833
01:09:52,360 --> 01:10:05,360
We have people that have been financing the show essentially and a lot of them do you know over the top version of financing by becoming executive producers of individual shows or night but, but the kind of our night.

834
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:17,360
But this is the kind of thing you know if we if we can triple our audience, we could probably sustain this, even though it will take a lot you know we still have to do the promotions we still have to go to deuce club and these other ideas.

835
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:26,360
And you know the founding producers and we do we do these things and they're all very valuable and makes people or helps people become more engaged with the show.

836
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:35,360
They're now part of the show essentially. And I think if we tripled our numbers, which of course would then make it get critical mass it should go even higher.

837
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:42,360
But we do have a couple of issues with that one is that you're right if we get people can get put off by the beginning of the show I've gotten mail on that.

838
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:49,360
And we really have a shortage even though you have some good looking women that follow the show because they're on Twitter, and you have their picture there and they're pretty.

839
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:57,360
So it's not like that it's not like the show is a barrier to women is not a show done for men and by men.

840
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:02,360
But it's a it is done by men but it's not a show for men.

841
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:13,360
But we do have an issue there so we losing about half the audience because of that and I blame actually the mechanism of podcasting itself and I could actually blame you.

842
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:30,360
Oh, I think podcasting they when done right where you actually have the automatic download that puts itself on your iPod or other device and then you take that and you jump in your car to drive to work and you plug the USB into your car which has got a USB port now.

843
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:38,360
And it plays our show automatically is not being done it enough but people just do wrong.

844
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,360
How is that my fault invented the whole process.

845
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:46,360
Well, yeah, but so didn't I do everything right. What part that I do wrong. I don't get it.

846
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:59,360
I was wrong is that you never set up the marketing channel so this became a second name became second nature to everybody is extremely difficult to use iTunes is setting up the automatic mechanism you know with some people like

847
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:10,360
Jan aleman was talking to me we just got one of those iPads he says he plugs it in. And the next thing you know he's got the cranky geeks and no agenda shows already downloaded on the iPad whether he wanted it or not.

848
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,360
And he's not even sure how that happened.

849
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:20,360
But that kind of thing is just is vague bullshit of this podcast. Hold on a second. You are not a user of an iPhone.

850
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:37,360
But if you have an iPhone, and you go to iTunes, and you search for Adam Curry or Dvorak, you can, you don't have to download anything you just you can either click on it it starts playing immediately right from the store, or you click download and it downloads that one episode to

851
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,360
your phone.

852
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:44,360
I mean, it's not like what what's the mechanism for subscribing.

853
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:59,360
Well, I, the subscribing thing. It's an it became an issue for a number of reasons. And so you can blame me all you want. But here's the problem here's where it went wrong. When this first started out.

854
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:13,360
There was not a lot of bandwidth. In fact, I never invented quote this or never came up with it. Really for the subscription model I came up with it because I wanted you to be downloading something when you're remember when you had always on access.

855
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:27,360
It wasn't like he had a huge bandwidth but you didn't have to dial in your computer was just kind of sitting there. And I wanted this to be triggered at night or whenever, so that, and you wouldn't know about it and then your computer would say oh there's a new show and just click on it

856
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:35,360
and would play you wouldn't have to play, you know click and wait for something to download before you could play it that was the original idea.

857
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:51,360
And then it got all messed up with RSS because you would change your feed and then all of a sudden you'd be downloading 100, you know previous episodes and hard drives would fill up and, and I think actually people want for some reason people want to think they need some control

858
01:13:51,360 --> 01:14:06,360
over their computer and they don't just want stuff downloading in the background. So it's more of a cultural problem than anything. And you and this is why I think we, we got the stream going and we have a lot of sustaining and founding producers for that.

859
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:21,360
And the future of course is going to be you get in your car it flips on a three or four G connection, and you'll be able to get stuff, and it will be either in real time on a stream or it'll be on demand and we'll just start playing for you.

860
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:28,360
I think that that's where it's going to go we have to get remove the idea from people, you know you don't think about what's happening when you get a movie on demand.

861
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:37,360
You don't think about it just like oh I'm just clicking some buttons on the remote control. You don't think about all the packet streaming into your into your house and all this digital stuff that's happening in the background.

862
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:46,360
It's just there. So, you know, but someone's got to make that device and that interface and they're coming and they will happen it by the way if anyone can help us.

863
01:14:46,360 --> 01:15:00,360
One thing was get us in all of the, you know, all the top menus, you know, put us there with the good stuff and by the way we got kind of screwed by Apple, because if you'll recall Apple jumped on board with podcasting early and I'm very happy they did.

864
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:10,360
And then they started to promote all the NPR national treasure shows like that was the only thing that was worth it and podcasting independent stuff got pushed to the back.

865
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,360
That's what happened there.

866
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:18,360
Yeah, you still need. And this comes down to the device manufacturers.

867
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:26,360
You still need them to promote what's on the interface that they have that they control I don't control that I can only make the show.

868
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:45,360
So, and that's a call out to producers, they need to be doing that. They need to be pushing us into the, into the top selections and the favorites and, you know, have we ever been on the most. What is it the featured selections of Apple's iTunes no.

869
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:49,360
And will we ever unlikely.

870
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:54,360
Unlikely

871
01:15:54,360 --> 01:16:05,360
Well, blame me anyway so that's an issue. Yeah, that's a tremendous issue but so tripling the audience yeah yeah I agree and you know what I would pretty much quit everything else I do.

872
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:11,360
We could double the audience if we had the same number of women that we could have our own health care.

873
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:15,360
This is the only this is the only thing we ever talked about.

874
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:24,360
Until the show can actually help us afford health care and a cell phone.

875
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:32,360
We can't quit our day jobs not until somebody you know people always ask you what do you do with the donations we do we buy equipment and we pay bills.

876
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:38,360
And it's not just bills related to this show I mean yeah we got some bandwidth bills. Honestly, it's not huge.

877
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:48,360
You have to you know this is what when what he's like asking the right. So, Mr. Mailer your new best selling novel What do you do with all the money you made from that book.

878
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:49,360
Exactly.

879
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,360
Does it make. Yeah.

880
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:59,360
A couple questions here from either way I find it weird that people even ask that question.

881
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:05,360
By the way, it's very few people that that care, but they're annoying the ones who do because it's like, well, what do you do with your money.

882
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,360
Yeah.

883
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:15,360
Couple of couple of questions from Sir Troy Walters I just want to go down the list make sure we didn't miss anything.

884
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,360
How did you come up with promotions like the knighthoods.

885
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:24,360
And although the knighthood thing by the way I will take credit for that and I'll tell you why.

886
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:32,360
I, although I think we discussed and I think you're the one that probably pushed the idea, probably the name of a knighthood is probably what I might contribution.

887
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:46,360
Well, the knighthood thing and I'll tell you one of the one day and I said this I've done this with everybody who knows me will have heard this probably one time or another and I know I took random past Adam every time some American and I think it's supposed to be illegal to receive a knighthood from the Queen but they do.

888
01:17:46,360 --> 01:18:02,360
Anyway, every time somebody say why is what's the Queen what's so special about England that they're granting knighthoods. Why don't we grant knighthoods right now I can't we just grant it we can anybody work at Ford Motor Company grant knighthoods what differences in that.

889
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:13,360
Yeah, that's good. So we so ours are just as good as the Queen's, I think so and I think we have a better group that's for sure that nights that have been on our list or they're fantastic people every one of them.

890
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:23,360
I have a plan by the way of making a night iPhone app that will only be for nights.

891
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:34,360
And it'll be limited for a number of reasons but only be for nights. And, and it'll be like our, our communication model, like a network a night network.

892
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:43,360
Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be kind of fun, and and we did like a bat signal I still want a bat signal we're going to need it one of these days. Oh, we've got a lot of professional people in the knighthoods.

893
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,360
We don't have a doctor we have a dentist, we have a lawyer.

894
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:57,360
Oh, you know, as we get a lawyer, that's what you need right you need a lawyer, we need a butcher. Yes, a farmer.

895
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,360
Farm.

896
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,360
What drives the new promotions.

897
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,360
That's a good question. Depends on how you interpret it of course.

898
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:16,360
And I will say, all the emails promotion ideas john does all of that. I do the production of the show. John does all of that stuff.

899
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,360
Yeah, I'm the marketing guy.

900
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:44,360
Well mainly because I've always admired certain forms of marketing they're never they're very rarely executed by the general public. And by that I mean, or by general companies are little operations like ours. And by that I mean, PBS, and, and religion, churches, because the model is so interesting that you get people that like you so much because you're doing something for them.

901
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:54,360
And that's what what PBS and churches are perceived as doing they once give you give you helping your spiritually and the other ones educating you out of mainstream media supposedly.

902
01:19:54,360 --> 01:20:10,360
And, and I their model for getting money and by the way I have a background in public radio. I had a couple of shows two different shows that were on public radio for over almost 10 years about computers.

903
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:25,360
And I saw the mechanism how it works and how much money they get and all the rest of it. And I always said you know why, you know, why does it just have to be those two groups. And then of course the publishing you know the direct payment for a novel is a different kind of a thing.

904
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:33,360
Why are these the only two groups that are using this model, a, and, and does anyone notice that they're actually pretty successful with this model.

905
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:47,360
Thank you. There's some churches out there that have, you know, not counting the mega churches but but some decent sized churches and maybe 2000 to 3000 parishioners, and they got the guy with a Cadillac and a big house and they got plenty of money.

906
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:57,360
And it's only like 2000 people that are supporting this the entire parish. And it's like, does anybody notice that this is looks like a you know these course the tax free thing doesn't hurt the guy.

907
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:08,360
But it's like obviously it's a model that works and people don't mind the model I mean, we're not getting knighthood donations because people think this is the dumb idea.

908
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,360
So anyway, so I do the promotions I, I come up with them.

909
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:23,360
You know every once in a while we one comes forward so well here's an idea we this is this people would like. So you know it's kind of like selling the dream kind of thing I'm not sure.

910
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:33,360
And I do I used to be in direct marketing so I say that you know when people ask me about this or say look you know we have a church, and our religion is the truth, or as close as we can get to it.

911
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:43,360
There's that element, I think you know we seem to offend a few people if we go over the off the deep end with the church angle but the fact of the matter is we do the thing on Sunday morning.

912
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:55,360
And I'm sure a lot of people don't go to church and listen to us instead. I just but the or football. It'd be interesting to see what since we're in full tilt here trying to maximize our incomes.

913
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:04,360
It'll be interesting to see what the drop off is on listenership on the live stream during the football season. Oh, interesting. Yeah, well, and by the way we do look at that kind of stuff.

914
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:23,360
We look at all the numbers we keep track of stuff Eric likes to dream up weird reports, and we look at them and we know where we're headed and we're doing fine and we're not doing well enough that we can quit and do this full time and, and, you know, that's which is okay being in a struggling situation is not a bad thing.

915
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,360
And the show I think is not sound.

916
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:36,360
If I can say it harder to be excited for the next show if donations are down on the previous show. It is for Adam.

917
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:52,360
That's not true. It's not like I'm less excited. You said so once. No, and then you misinterpreted what I said what I what I meant was, first of all, it bums me out because I take that as a, as a direct result of the program of the product that we produced.

918
01:22:52,360 --> 01:23:01,360
It bums me out. Yeah, it bums me out. Does it make me less excited. No, it motivates me. It gets me motivated to do a better show.

919
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:21,360
And we deconstructed and john by the way you got to know this he's like, like the horrible uncle you never wanted. He'll send you notes like, well that thing you did that made donations drop through the floor as horrible and I know and it took me like two months to figure out that this is bullshit that he's just writing that just to piss me off.

920
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:27,360
And then all I was writing it for a good reason because I believed it to be true.

921
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:41,360
It's the way you write it is like, sorry, grandpa. Yeah, sorry, don't be such a dick. I suppose I should put a bunch of smiley faces and that would make you happy. Yeah, good. This is what I love about you.

922
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:48,360
What is the single most enjoyable element of the show for each of you.

923
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:53,360
That's a great question and I don't like saying the term a great question.

924
01:23:53,360 --> 01:24:00,360
But it's a thoughtful question makes you think I think we'd like to. I think when the show ends.

925
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:05,360
I think ours. The world. First of all, there is no element in the show.

926
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:13,360
I think that's that's the that we have no fixed elements. That's the only thing that's fixed is donations.

927
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:24,360
We do that about an hour and 45 minutes to an hour. Yes. And we've talked about that because we know it's a donations fall off if we push the thing off to near the end because a lot of people to be honest about do not listen to the entire show.

928
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:30,360
I agree. I agree. I get a lot of emails from people like we just we just did that two weeks ago.

929
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:36,360
Like how can you send me this email. And yeah, I agree. A lot of people don't get through the whole show, which by the way is okay.

930
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:46,360
And and and for people who listen who like oh that was you know there's a fact this is what I love this fast forward. You can fast forward through something you think is boring.

931
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:50,360
I guarantee you'll be backing up. I think so too.

932
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:55,360
For me.

933
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,360
Wow, this is going to sound kind of weird.

934
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:07,360
But most enjoyable personally enjoyable. I like it when I have either an article or a clip and I get praise from you.

935
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:14,360
Yeah, I'll do that because I actually keep a running score. But it's just for me. But you I know you're paying attention to it.

936
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:23,360
And I'll and I'll score a goal for you when you hit one that is like completely catches me flat footed. I got nothing on it.

937
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:28,360
But maybe my take is even wrong because your take is better and it's and it's interesting.

938
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:33,360
And so you get I so I give you a kudos right on the spot. And it's very innocent.

939
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,360
By the way, and I and you usually only do it when I know I can't top you.

940
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:43,360
You can actually come up with something that's better than that where you got the kudos something really stunning.

941
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:48,360
But I know I've got a topper. Yeah. And so I won't give you the kudos then.

942
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,360
So that's kind of interesting. Do we have a weird father son relationship?

943
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:56,360
No, no, it's not. No, it's a teammate relationship where you're trying to compete for that position of dominance.

944
01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:02,360
OK, yeah, I think it's a team. It's a team orientation where the two guys are working to win.

945
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:06,360
But you know, but you want to be the guy that did that if you score the goal.

946
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,360
Yeah, you scored the goal. OK, you scored the goal. Next time I'll score the goal.

947
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,360
You prick. Yeah, that's a good analysis.

948
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:17,360
So now the father is something doesn't work that way because father and son would be it's be more patronizing.

949
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,360
I'm not patronizing him. I'm straightforward. That's true.

950
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:24,360
That's true. I'll give you that. I know how much you'd like that to be the case.

951
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:29,360
But no, not going to happen. I don't think so.

952
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:40,360
I got a little thing here, a little aside. I had Eric run the numbers on which country listens to us and where we get most of our support from.

953
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:44,360
That's actually that is a question. So and here's the answer.

954
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:56,360
OK, I'm going to do it because I have the numbers and you don't. So this is my rare opportunity to make you do what we do on the show quite a bit, which is make one the other person guess, knowing full well that they'll never guess it correctly.

955
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:00,360
And it's just kind of a stalling tactic. But guess who's number one.

956
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:05,360
Now, is this in total amount of donations? This will be both donors in the amount.

957
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:15,360
But it's going to go by the total amount. But it's this. But it turns out the numbers match pretty well with the it's one to one pretty much with the donors versus and totals.

958
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:24,360
I will say that the Netherlands is very high on the list. Who's number one?

959
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:31,360
Oh, please. Well, number one's got to be America. Of course, by a factor of nine.

960
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:35,360
Yeah. All right. So now it gets interesting.

961
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:41,360
Number two, and I before you answer, I'm going to tell you right now, you're not going to get it.

962
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,360
Australia. Oh, jeez, you got it.

963
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:51,360
Yes, he shoots, he scores. Oh, no, I know. I knew I knew Australia had to be really high.

964
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:58,360
I shouldn't have given you the tease. No, no, I knew it. I knew this because I mean, we've had to.

965
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:02,360
I try to kind of in my head and like, man, I get stories.

966
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:08,360
The Aussies are they're really into us. But don't mess with them, man.

967
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,360
These guys will mess you up. And they don't like what's going on.

968
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:17,360
And I can almost guess, you know, by which country is is the most suppressed.

969
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:21,360
So, of course, America wins and then Australia.

970
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:25,360
And I think the Netherlands has got to be third or fourth on the list.

971
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,360
No, actually, the Netherlands actually comes in sixth.

972
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:32,360
It goes like this. United States, Australia, Canada, Canada. Right.

973
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:36,360
I forgot United Kingdom and Netherlands, UK as well. Of course. Yeah.

974
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:40,360
Yeah, that's that. I actually thought the Netherlands would come in a little higher.

975
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:44,360
But no. And we have a couple of the guys.

976
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:52,360
The reason is because the Netherlands, the guys who do contribute to the show from Belgium are very they're they're aggressive.

977
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:56,360
Right. You know, Pels markers. Oh, he's in Belgium.

978
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,360
Belgium. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Belgium comes in.

979
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:03,360
Then it comes Germany, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland,

980
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:11,360
Mexico. And then we have an anomaly with Japan, which has very few people listening,

981
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,360
but they give a lot of money. And so same with Hong Kong. That's where all the money is.

982
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,360
We've got Spain, Italy, France.

983
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,360
Denmark is actually higher, but they don't give any money.

984
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:25,360
They're like they're cheap, cheap.

985
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,360
Damn Danes. Yeah, they're the Danish are obviously cheap.

986
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,360
And then Poland, Poland, which is like that doesn't count.

987
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,360
They don't even you know, this the non-English speaking countries.

988
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:44,360
It doesn't bother me. This is very interesting for the amount of that's really interesting for the amount of time we spend on or have spent on stories about Poland.

989
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,360
They're way down on the list. Oh, they're way down.

990
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,360
The amount of time we spend on the UK and Australia. That's about right.

991
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:55,360
Yeah. And say and and Canada, we probably should do more on Canada.

992
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,360
The Canadians are complex starting to complain about it.

993
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,360
And they're right. And you know, it's easy enough to do.

994
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:06,360
I mean, it's kind of hard to beat this hour has 22 minutes or whatever the name of the show is that nails them constantly.

995
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:15,360
We've got some support in Singapore. I mean, almost every country's Estonia, Dominican Republic, Malaysia, Qatar, Israel, one person.

996
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:20,360
Which is that actually is the one that really surprises me the most that we'd have one listener in Israel.

997
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,360
We may be blocked there for all I know. Could be.

998
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:29,360
And Portugal, we haven't got much.

999
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,360
You think I'd have more from Brazil since I'm a writer there and fairly well known.

1000
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:38,360
But again, it's in translation. They may be writing all kinds of crap.

1001
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:42,360
You don't know what they're translating it to. No, they I know what they're trying to say.

1002
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:46,360
I know a lot of people. I know a lot of Brazilians and they did one guy said to me once.

1003
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:53,360
And I know the translator. He's a great guy. I've sat down with him and PowerPoint like in 10 minutes.

1004
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:58,360
The guy's fantastic. Let me. What was the.

1005
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:04,360
Oh, here's one that I can't answer. What are the current subscriber numbers?

1006
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:13,360
The word subscriber is a misnomer because we really don't know how many people listen to this show by downloading.

1007
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:21,360
We absolutely just don't know. John, how often and by the way, I don't think anyone knows in podcasting what their actual real numbers are.

1008
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:29,360
There is so much smoke about numbers. You have to guess.

1009
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:42,360
And what would you guess? Well, based on normal direct marketing returns and the kind of money we get, it's hard to say.

1010
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:46,360
I mean, it could be anywhere from fifty thousand to four hundred thousand.

1011
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:54,360
Yeah, that's about the same range. I mean, it's impossible to tell from the downloads and the proxies.

1012
01:31:54,360 --> 01:32:00,360
And of course, I'm sure there's a small percentage that is maybe not downloading at all.

1013
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:13,360
Listening only to the stream. There's people get a bit torrent because we only have, you know, in terms of pure subscribers that are paying the five dollars, we only have about fifteen hundred of those people.

1014
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:18,360
We have not pushed everybody. That's a very hard to do the five dollar thing.

1015
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:29,360
Some people have done the 30. Some people say I'm not going to do it till you make it 10. And I haven't put that up. So I mean, that's you know, and then they every time they change their credit card or some number, they get bounced by PayPal.

1016
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:37,360
So they don't have the subscription anymore. I get letters saying, well, I'm sorry, but I didn't realize I haven't had a subscription for six months because PayPal bounced it.

1017
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:43,360
And I got to resubscribe. Sorry. You know, they apologize. And some people get bounced for no good reason.

1018
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:49,360
It's you know, we were not that stable that we need more subscribers for sure. We'll push.

1019
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:54,360
They will be pushing that probably on the show more. OK, I have two more things. One more.

1020
01:32:54,360 --> 01:33:03,360
One is I actually would like to know how you prep for the show. I think I already explained what I do. I don't do.

1021
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:17,360
I don't generally what I do is I typically take the articles and things that I found and I print them out and pile them up as they as they come because I get most of my stuff online.

1022
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:23,360
And then I'm always making clips because I have an H2 recorder by the by my side at all times.

1023
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:28,360
And I'm constantly jumping up even with the full family can be watching a movie or something.

1024
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:33,360
And I'm jumping up and stopping the movie, backing it up and then getting a clip.

1025
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:40,360
And then, you know, so I collect a lot of I spend most of my time collecting clips and articles and I don't organize them very well.

1026
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:50,360
I because of the nature of the show, I'm always assuming that it's going to go anywhere because you never know what you know, who's going to bring up a topic that gets interesting in the conversation itself.

1027
01:33:50,360 --> 01:34:00,360
So I so I'm probably underprepared in terms of pure preparation, not in terms of the work that goes into getting the clips and all and reading a lot.

1028
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:06,360
But in terms of like thinking about what I'm going to do, I do occasionally will take a bunch of notes early if you watch the or listen to the show.

1029
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:11,360
Maybe a year ago, I would have these notes. I used to ridicule myself for having taken terrible notes.

1030
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,360
I can't read. And that was a little more preparation.

1031
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:27,360
But I found that it really hasn't that didn't do anything to improve the show. And it also kind of puts you if I prepare too much, I'll try to dominate the show and which kind of ruins the pace and flow.

1032
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:39,360
And the for me, the only thing I do collect everything because I find if you look at the show notes versus what we talk about in the show, I mean, the show notes are often four times as much information.

1033
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:47,360
And I think that is a valuable part of the show for people to be able to go and research stuff and look at things.

1034
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:53,360
And there is a reasonable segment of the audience that really uses that and appreciates it and looks at it.

1035
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:58,360
Some of the iPhone apps give you good access to it and search ability.

1036
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:07,360
But I'm I'm typically always hoping, just hoping that I can find from a radio production perspective.

1037
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:13,360
Here it is. I'm hoping that there's one or two zingers that I have, either it's a clip or it's a story or something.

1038
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:21,360
And I'll work on that. And I cannot go to bed on a Wednesday night or a Saturday night without knowing I have something.

1039
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:29,360
And I sometimes will try out my my rap on Mickey. I'll say, how does this sound? And usually I get shot down.

1040
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:33,360
Yeah, I refuse to do that. I think that's overdoing it. I get shot down.

1041
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:39,360
Good. So here's a question question that somebody has for you.

1042
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:44,360
What happened to the global blank fund? Adam was supposed to have a big report on it.

1043
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,360
The what?

1044
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:52,360
Remember that fund you were talking about that that money that was hidden during the Reagan administration or something?

1045
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:59,360
Oh, you know, yeah, the it was a French name.

1046
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:03,360
Yeah, this is from my Monday. OK, wait, we'd not. Now's there's your answer, Brian.

1047
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:08,360
Yeah, no. Well, I hit so many dead ends and I just don't have the time to spend my life.

1048
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,360
Yeah. And it's not going to bring anything.

1049
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:21,360
You know what is there's there's I guess the answer is no one has done enough reporting that at least that I could find that makes it believable, believable or credible enough.

1050
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:25,360
And the only way to really get into it is I'd have to do the investigative work myself.

1051
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,360
And that's obviously not going to happen.

1052
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:31,360
OK, hugs a lot asks, what's the actual cost of producing the show?

1053
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:35,360
Most podcasts have zero budgets and still produce shows.

1054
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,360
DSC is done free. No, no, it's not.

1055
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:46,360
That's not true. DSC is a part of what the founding and sustaining producers of the No Agenda stream donated their money for.

1056
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,360
And we'll have to do another drive.

1057
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,360
And what is the actual cost?

1058
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,360
What does it cost you to go to work?

1059
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,360
You know, there's actual cost. This is actual time.

1060
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:02,360
It's the there's preparation money value for value.

1061
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,360
That's the way it works. Time is definitely money.

1062
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:09,360
So is there is there actual, you know, would you like me to charge by the hour?

1063
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,360
The amount of time it took me to set up the studio?

1064
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,360
That's just one little thing. No, you don't.

1065
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,360
Not sure what actually the question to me is vague.

1066
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:17,360
I don't know what it means.

1067
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:24,360
DZ picks asks what iPhone iPad app does Adam use for the Jingles Sound Bank?

1068
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:32,360
I use a program called Sound Byte BYTE.

1069
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,360
One word sound bite on the Mac.

1070
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:41,360
It is created made by Black Cat Software.

1071
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:46,360
And I've just kind of been they essentially replicated a cart machine.

1072
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,360
They look like cart. You can color them like you would color.

1073
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:55,360
And a cart is a cartridge. That's the old school way of putting Jingles into a jingle machine.

1074
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,360
And it's pretty customizable.

1075
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:02,360
And what's nice about it is they released an iPhone app, which I can run on the iPad,

1076
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:07,360
although it kind of sucks because it's it runs in iPhone mode and you kind of enlarge it.

1077
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:11,360
And it doesn't work very well. In fact, today I didn't use it at all.

1078
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,360
But normally I do.

1079
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:20,360
And it brings up the screen of your cart deck the way it looks on the computer screen.

1080
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:28,360
And the only if I had it, I would prefer to have an extra monitor instead of having the the iPad run that

1081
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:32,360
because I use two monitors because I have a lot of stuff that I have to monitor.

1082
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:37,360
And really what I need is I need to be able to connect a third screen to my laptop.

1083
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:41,360
I don't think that's an easy thing to do, though.

1084
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:45,360
OK, here's an interesting question.

1085
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,360
You mean I should be able to answer. I'm going to have you do it if you can.

1086
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,360
I bought a Nokia 71 because you said you like it.

1087
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:54,360
How do I get the stream to work on it? Can we do that?

1088
01:38:54,360 --> 01:39:03,360
There is actually in the Nokia Ovi store, which is their version of the app store, there is a just released.

1089
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:10,360
If you go there and it's like create your own Nokia app, I think they're actually calling them apps.

1090
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:17,360
You enter the RSS feed for no agenda and it will create an app for your phone.

1091
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,360
And then you can put that on your phone.

1092
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:30,360
It does not do the streaming bit, but you can get streaming programs all over the place for for the Nokia.

1093
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:37,360
But I think it's more interesting just to be able to to make your own app for the for the for the episodes.

1094
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,360
So that's how you do that.

1095
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,360
And Blackberry, by the way, also was coming out.

1096
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:45,360
They called me again. We're going to do podcasting on the Blackberry.

1097
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,360
Can you log in and put in your shows for your company?

1098
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:54,360
And I put in no agenda, daily source code, tech five, top five cranky geeks.

1099
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,360
And then I got bored.

1100
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:02,360
So apparently there's some podcasting thing on Blackberry.

1101
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:06,360
So, yeah. Anymore from the chat room?

1102
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:07,360
This is actually Twitter and Twitter.

1103
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,360
Let me see if there's one more here. There was one.

1104
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,360
Hold on one second. Just go to see who's texting me.

1105
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:21,360
Hold on. Keep guy says the show's gone from a show with no jingles and no talent to a glut of both.

1106
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,360
I thought that was kind of unique.

1107
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:24,360
It's gone to a what?

1108
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,360
And we have a glut of talent, apparently, on the show.

1109
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:28,360
It's just the same two guys.

1110
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:32,360
Somebody else asks, the show's changed a lot since its inception.

1111
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:33,360
It's the same guy, actually.

1112
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:37,360
Opera Now. Do you prefer the new format?

1113
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,360
And obviously we do.

1114
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:40,360
Or we wouldn't be doing it.

1115
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:42,360
And the audience does. More importantly.

1116
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:43,360
The audience does, too.

1117
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,360
This show has its...

1118
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,360
But I've been broadcasting long enough.

1119
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:51,360
You always have people who say, oh, it was much better then.

1120
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:52,360
Oh, it was better then.

1121
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:54,360
Oh, no. I have the same thing as a writer.

1122
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:59,360
You get this. I have people that still say, when you were writing that column for Infoworld, it was much better.

1123
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:00,360
And I looked at those.

1124
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:04,360
I could go back and look at that old crap and it wasn't.

1125
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,360
Generally speaking, things improve.

1126
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:10,360
Yeah, I guess it's just the nature of the beast.

1127
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,360
That's the nostalgia or people.

1128
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:19,360
At some point, people either like you more in time because they hear you more, they read you more, or they like you less in time.

1129
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:23,360
And then they associate that with maybe you were doing something different before.

1130
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,360
Generally speaking, you weren't.

1131
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,360
All right. So wrapping this up.

1132
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:30,360
What's the future?

1133
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,360
Well, we got another 200 shows to do.

1134
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,360
At least? No, we have...

1135
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,360
Well, we have at least until episode 333.

1136
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:41,360
Well, before we do another promotion like the Deuce Club.

1137
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,360
Well, we got to thank all the Deuce Club members profusely.

1138
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:48,360
We'll do that over time and on the web page.

1139
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:54,360
And I think, you know, we're not showing any indication of slower growth.

1140
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,360
People still like the show.

1141
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,360
I think they've done a great thing.

1142
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,360
And we've talked about this off the air a lot.

1143
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,360
There is so much material for us.

1144
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:09,360
Yeah, I think the show, there's only growth because it just comes automatically.

1145
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:11,360
The media is getting worse.

1146
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,360
They're laying everybody off.

1147
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:17,360
The Obama administration is getting worse.

1148
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:21,360
They're lying to the public just straight out.

1149
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,360
You know, there's these crazy things that Hila Nolten are doing.

1150
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:27,360
I mean, now that I find that they're behind all the global warming stuff,

1151
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:30,360
you know, we're doomed that that's going to go through

1152
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:33,360
because you can't stop Hila Nolten.

1153
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:34,360
I don't know.

1154
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:39,360
Are you worried that the show will ever get, like, taken off the air?

1155
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:41,360
Not seriously, but it could be.

1156
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,360
It could be taken off the air. I don't think...

1157
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:47,360
This, by the way, is a huge benefit of our model

1158
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:50,360
because if you have advertisers, that's the attack mechanism.

1159
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:52,360
That's where you're weakest.

1160
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:56,360
The minute someone doesn't like what you say, look at Imus, you know,

1161
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,360
and that's just one example.

1162
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:00,360
The minute you go somewhere that they don't like you,

1163
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,360
then the audience, for us it's easy.

1164
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,360
The audience like what we do, we get no money.

1165
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,360
It's like, OK, we can turn that around in one episode.

1166
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:10,360
We can go, OK, we went off the track there.

1167
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:12,360
We can get it back on.

1168
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,360
But when your advertisers pull out, then the network goes nuts,

1169
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:16,360
and then you're out of a job.

1170
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,360
You're dead. You're gone. You're history. You're out.

1171
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:22,360
In other words, you don't have control from the get-go.

1172
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:26,360
And that's another reason I think the direct support is the way to go.

1173
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:28,360
It's open source. We don't care.

1174
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:30,360
One of the things that's great about it, I always say,

1175
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,360
well, if somebody's bootlegs the show,

1176
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:34,360
puts it on their own website, takes credit for it,

1177
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,360
say they produce it, I don't care.

1178
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:40,360
The fact is our messages are embedded in the show,

1179
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,360
and it goes with us. We don't need to prove numbers.

1180
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:47,360
We don't say, oh, our numbers from Arbitron came in,

1181
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:51,360
and we got a 3-3, and this is here. Look, Mr. Advertiser.

1182
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:54,360
Give us some more money. We have a better CPM.

1183
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:57,360
We have a certain demo. They have to prove our demo,

1184
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:00,360
and we have to prove the CPM and this and that and the other thing.

1185
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:01,360
I mean, it's ridiculous.

1186
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:04,360
Remember those days when you'd wait for the Arbitrons to come out,

1187
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:06,360
and the whole station was like tiptoeing around?

1188
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:10,360
Well, we know the trends are down, so how bad will it be?

1189
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:12,360
Oh, man. I hated that.

1190
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,360
Yeah, we don't deal with any of that. We don't want to.

1191
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,360
It's ridiculous, and we're completely independent.

1192
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:19,360
We don't have anybody telling us what to do.

1193
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,360
We don't have advertisers telling us what to do,

1194
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:26,360
which is the real danger here, and without exception,

1195
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,360
the only way we would be taken off the air is if the government

1196
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:33,360
or somebody sued us or the government decided to pull the plug.

1197
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,360
Who knows? I mean, but that's not going to happen.

1198
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:39,360
We're below the radar. We're crackpots.

1199
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:41,360
We believe it. We're conspiracy theory people.

1200
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,360
Ooh, no. Conspiracy.

1201
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:46,360
And maybe we'll get taxed for being conspiracy theory guys.

1202
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,360
Yeah, that's the worst thing that could happen.

1203
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:49,360
Well, I can live with that.

1204
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:52,360
It seems to me that Alex Jones will get taken out before we do,

1205
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:54,360
and that would be a nice warning shot.

1206
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:56,360
He's the canary in the cage, as far as I'm concerned,

1207
01:44:56,360 --> 01:45:00,360
even though I don't think he does have to do what we do.

1208
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:03,360
I think he has good guests, but that's a different format.

1209
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:04,360
No, that's another thing.

1210
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:08,360
That's the one question we should at least before we finish.

1211
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,360
We cannot do two hours.

1212
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,360
Yeah, we've done it again.

1213
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:16,360
Before we finish, people say, well, can I be a guest on your show?

1214
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:18,360
How can we not do this? How can we not do that?

1215
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:21,360
We may do some separate interview shows separately that will be on the stream,

1216
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,360
that will be part of some other initiative.

1217
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:25,360
This show is what it is.

1218
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:29,360
It's two guys talking to each other about the current events,

1219
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:31,360
just like you do in the coffee shop with your buddies.

1220
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,360
There's no guests.

1221
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:37,360
When you're in the coffee shop, you don't say, man, coming in to have a guest doughnut.

1222
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:38,360
Here's a guest.

1223
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:40,360
You know, so-and-so who just finished a book.

1224
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,360
So what was your book about?

1225
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,360
This is not the Larry King show.

1226
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:45,360
Right.

1227
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:49,360
Well, anyway, so yeah, we were going to do an hour.

1228
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:51,360
We're moving up now on what are we at?

1229
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,360
I have the exact recording here.

1230
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,360
We are at 1.45.

1231
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,360
Good job.

1232
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:02,360
Thank you again to everyone who supports No Agenda, who supported this show,

1233
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:04,360
The Deuce Club.

1234
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:08,360
Thanks to everyone who's out there making websites and crazy ideas

1235
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:10,360
and promoting us.

1236
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:13,360
It is also your show.

1237
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,360
So I could just say thank you.

1238
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:16,360
John, thank you.

1239
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:18,360
Thank you.

1240
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:20,360
It's the highlight of my week.

1241
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,360
And it happens twice a week.

1242
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:26,360
And we'll try to do these special third shows every so often.

1243
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:29,360
And yeah, what are we going to talk about?

1244
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,360
Well, I think we talked out.

1245
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:34,360
If anything is, I'll bet we could do another two hours.

1246
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:37,360
You know, I was just about to say, not a problem.

1247
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:42,360
And our spouses wonder why we don't talk to them at night.

1248
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:44,360
I've got nothing to say to you.

1249
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,360
That's the problem right there.

1250
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:48,360
I'm all talked out, baby.

1251
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:50,360
We only have so many words in them.

1252
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:51,360
Exactly.

1253
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,360
All right, so on Thursday, we'll be back.

1254
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:59,360
Hope you all enjoyed this special 200.5 episode of No Agenda, the backstage look.

1255
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,360
I think we've answered just about everything.

1256
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:07,360
And if not, then, yeah, we'll have topics for another one of these shows.

1257
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,360
Yeah.

1258
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:14,360
And I am glad we're winding up right on time so I can watch Twit.

1259
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:15,360
I love Twit.

1260
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:16,360
I love watching it.

1261
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:17,360
Yeah, why don't you go do that?

1262
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:18,360
Yeah.

1263
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:19,360
I wish Leo would have me on.

1264
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:21,360
Well, that's not going to happen.

1265
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:22,360
I know.

1266
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:23,360
That's upsetting to me.

1267
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:25,360
So, OK.

1268
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:26,360
Well, we'll start Thursday.

1269
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:27,360
We got more stuff coming up.

1270
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:34,360
Obviously, it's going to be the same crap coming out of Washington and the crazy news

1271
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:35,360
stories.

1272
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,360
And we're going to see what this blowout, this oil thing, we'll be talking about that

1273
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,360
for the next month or two.

1274
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:40,360
And trains.

1275
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:42,360
And trains, yeah, the trains thing.

1276
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:45,360
Coming to you from Gitmo Nation West from the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center

1277
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:48,360
in the People's Republic of Southern California.

1278
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:50,360
In the morning, I'm Adam Curry.

1279
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:53,360
And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

1280
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:57,360
See you again on Thursday, early morning service right here on No Agenda.