1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Hey man, how you doing? 2 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Good, John, how are you? 3 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 I'm doing okay. One foot in front of the other. 4 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,000 So it's obviously been a little while since we've recorded one. 5 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Yeah, Thanksgiving got in the way there. Other family business got in the way there. 6 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 How's your closet? 7 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 It's holding up. I think it's a little bit quieter. 8 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Made a couple of changes. Hopefully that comes across in the recording. 9 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 I mean, it sounds quiet to me. 10 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,000 The biggest thing is turning off those fans. 11 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:08,000 So I could turn those on right now and everybody would sure hear it. 12 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:15,000 I do have the luxury of having all that stuff somewhere else. 13 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Do you have some sound bites for us? 14 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 I do. I do. 15 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,000 I guess we can go ahead and kick off the one and start the first part of the show and then we'll roll into the rest. 16 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Here you go, folks. This is what you should have heard last episode. 17 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:34,000 What are we drinking tonight, boys? 18 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 I like it. Good job. 19 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,000 All right, I'll go ahead. 20 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 You go with it. 21 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:47,000 I've got a Shiner Sea Salt and Lime. 22 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:53,000 These are one of those flavored shiners and it's not bad. I gotta admit. 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Okay. All right. Much easier to drink than last time? 24 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Much easier. 25 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:10,000 So mine is a holdover from Thanksgiving. My wife needed a beer to do pretzel bread stuffing. 26 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:19,000 So I am drinking a German Dunkle. It is the Hofbrau Munchen Hofbrau Dunkle. 27 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,000 It is a darkish beer and it's not too bad. 28 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:32,000 I'm gonna have to try that sometime. You told me Dunkle and I was like, I'm not sure I know where that's gonna be. 29 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 It was the only one they had at Fresh. 30 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:43,000 What I did discover at Fresh and I think I'm gonna start tapping into that for these episodes is I guess this one section by the beer. 31 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:54,000 I always thought it was just wine bottles, but it's actually larger bottles of beer and a lot of them are stouts. 32 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,000 Now they're like five bucks a bottle, but they're a big bottle. 33 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:07,000 And it's like, I think I'm gonna start tapping into those. That's an untapped resource for me and see what I can discover. 34 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 That's a good idea. 35 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Yep. 36 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Yeah. So what do you want to talk about tonight? 37 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Well, first I'd like to talk about the explosion of the last episode just for the heck of it. 38 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Pat ourselves on the back. It was really weird. 39 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:31,000 So pulling that up, again, we have no idea what happened. 40 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,000 We didn't do anything different. We didn't make any changes. 41 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,000 But it was a really good episode for us in terms of numbers. 42 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Episode five has skyrocketed to our most downloaded show. 43 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Again, no idea why. 44 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:57,000 And then when you look at the locations, we really blew it out in terms of where the show reached. 45 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,000 I mean, we have now hit every continent with the exception of Australia. 46 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Come on, Australians, we need an Aussie. 47 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:12,000 But I mean, we've got like, of course, a lot of these countries are coming up all the time. 48 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,000 So it's hard to stay current. But we've got trying not to butcher this. 49 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,000 One of the new ones is Mauritius. 50 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Mauritius. Thank you. 51 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,000 We picked up. Let's see. We picked up Norway. 52 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,000 We picked up a couple of spots in Germany. We got somebody in India. 53 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Picked up Spain, Italy, Ecuador, Taiwan, which they have it on here as a province of China. 54 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 So you know where they stand politically. 55 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Picked up Malaysia. Yeah. 56 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Venezuela, Nigeria, Ireland. 57 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Two spots in Brazil. 58 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Again, no, no idea what happened. 59 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Somehow it just got a little bit of a reach and not bad. 60 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Yeah, I'll take it. I wish I knew what happened so I could reproduce it. 61 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:23,000 OK, so tonight we're going to discuss the impact of technology on the church and on Christian camping. 62 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,000 So John has the luxury. I think it'll hit wider than Christian camping. 63 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 I think most camping is probably in the same position right now. 64 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Yeah. So John actually gets to dip into both worlds. 65 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Well, so do you technically. 66 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Yeah, I guess I've thinking myself more on the camping side, but I obviously know a little bit of it. 67 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,000 But you're you're definitely in the trenches day in and day out within the church. 68 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,000 And so you're seeing that that element of it. 69 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:01,000 I just get to kind of periodically peek inside the box and see what's going on. 70 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Yeah, I mean, I peek back into camping now, but yeah, it was interesting to me whenever you suggested this because I immediately. 71 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:19,000 I've got all kinds of thoughts about the church and I think you and I are both in that weird place where we both work in technology, 72 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,000 but we both have reservations about. 73 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 How much technology is used? Correct. 74 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:43,000 And how prevalent it is and how easy it is to be the go to answer for every question or every problem. 75 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:54,000 So but why this sparked immediately for me in terms of camping stuff is I was I was immediately thinking about how for everyone else, 76 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,000 like for people that don't work in camping that are thinking about camping, 77 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:06,000 you're thinking about plugging from technology to go do something that you don't normally like you don't have your technology with you 78 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:14,000 or you don't have access to all of the things you're camping. 79 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Yes, I mean, that's I mean, I'm right there with you. 80 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:22,000 That's the whole point. You go to you go to camp to get away from technology and society. 81 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:29,000 You know, you want to know TV, turn the phone off, no tablets, just you and your family. 82 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:36,000 And if you're doing old school, traditional camping with tent, you just want to be out in the middle of the woods. 83 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Maybe you're by a lake. You know, there's nothing there but you and nature. 84 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,000 And you can really kind of get back to the basics and really focus on the family. 85 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:55,000 And then, too, if you're going to some type of a structured camp again, you want to send your kid or you want to go as a family. 86 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,000 And you don't want to bring all the technology in the world with you. 87 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,000 You want to separate. You want that divide. 88 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:08,000 And so, you know, I obviously have some strong opinions on that. 89 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:18,000 You know, I feel like we do an OK job at youth camp and we still do a fairly decent job at family camp. 90 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,000 But there's definitely some creep that that's coming in that's coming into those worlds. 91 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:28,000 And it's easy for me to go cut the technology. 92 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,000 And then obviously the camp staff are like, oh, hey, wait, time out. 93 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:39,000 So there's a weird line to hear coming from the IT guy. 94 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Yeah, I like to admit it may be the right use of the term, but I the older I get, I feel like I'm a schizophrenic IT guy. 95 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,000 I love technology. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love it. 96 00:08:51,000 --> 00:09:03,000 I do it for a living. I have these wonderful toys sitting in front of me doing this show, you know, amazing gear back up behind me that runs this runs my house, lets us do everything that we do. 97 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Absolutely love it. New stuff comes out. 98 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:15,000 You know, I just want to consume everything I can about it, learn and understand, OK, how can we use this, regardless of where it's going? 99 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 You know, who's it a good fit for? 100 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:28,000 But I also have that growing whatever it is inside of me that's going just lose the technology life would be so much easier. 101 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,000 I mean, just just let it go. 102 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:55,000 So it's a weird thing because in my mind, like the this this creeps into another problem that I see just in life in general, and that's that like your Internet connection at your home is no longer a, you know, an extra that some people have and some people don't. 103 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:05,000 It feels more like a utility. Yes, it is one of the things that when you're if you're looking at a home, you're going to figure out where your water is coming from. 104 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 You're going to figure out where your electricity is coming from. 105 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:13,000 You're going to figure out where your sewage is going and you're going to figure out what kind of Internet connection you can get at your house. 106 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Yep. And like that's one of those questions that you're going to answer, along with like filling out your forwarding mail stuff like all all of that normal like these are the things that we need to function. 107 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:35,000 That's, that's a big deal. And, and we always joked whenever I was at camp. 108 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:45,000 That AC was a utility air conditioning in East Texas in the summer is not a. 109 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:52,000 You can have it if you want. It's a you have to have that or everyone is going to be miserable or in the hospital. 110 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Very much so. Yes. 111 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 It's just too hot. 112 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:08,000 But it's it's become that way with with technology that everybody has pinned themselves into being so connected all the time, where it's not just. 113 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:20,000 I mean, I look back all the way back to when when I was a kid and my dad got a mobile phone, and I say mobile phone, not cell phone. 114 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,000 I'm very, I'm talking about the bag phone. Yeah. 115 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:31,000 I'm talking about the phone in the car in the car, then I had to stay in the car that you, you don't want to carry that thing around with you. 116 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Yeah, because it's enormous is bigger than a briefcase. 117 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Yeah. 118 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,000 But I remember how that changed everything for him. He. 119 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:54,000 It was no longer like just people calling our house to see where the pastor was. He was getting called all the time and expected expected to pick up the phone all the time because he had one. 120 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Correct. I don't got it. 121 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:02,000 And so it's one of those like, well, now we've connected ourselves with our phones and with everything else and having Internet with us all the time. 122 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:10,000 We've connected ourselves and now we have to be able to answer that it really is a thing if you're not available. 123 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,000 And now people are like, well, I can't, I can't. Like, that's not part of vacation. 124 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,000 I get to go do fun things, but I still got to be connected. 125 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:25,000 And, you know, the bad enough when it's you have to be connected at work. 126 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 But like now people feel like they have to be connected socially. 127 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Correct. Correct. Yeah. 128 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,000 That's the point of going on vacation if I can't be Instagramming this. 129 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Yes. 130 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:43,000 So that kind of takes me to when we were looking at a phone for Garrett. 131 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,000 He didn't get one until he was in high school. 132 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,000 And he's 18 now. 133 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,000 I just turned 19. 134 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,000 He's a senior. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 135 00:12:52,000 --> 00:13:00,000 He was a year and a year and two months when I started at Pine Cove. 136 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 So there's that. 137 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,000 But I remember having a discussion before that with my with my mom and dad. 138 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 And they're like, the boy needs a phone. 139 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,000 And like, no, he doesn't. 140 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,000 What does he need a phone for? 141 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 He doesn't go out. 142 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,000 And if he does, there's always phones everywhere. 143 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 And they're like, where? 144 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:24,000 And I'm just sitting there going, well, there were paid phones, but those don't exist. 145 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:32,000 And you can ask someone to borrow their phone. 146 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:43,000 So for the record, I made a few collect calls from my pay phone at my middle school telling my mother that things had changed and I needed to be picked up. 147 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Correct. And so, you know, that's where we kind of came to because he needed it for school. 148 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Because he had started to develop after school pieces, baseball track and all and all of that. 149 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,000 And even some of the clubs. 150 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000 And it's like, well, he's going to be at school. 151 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 He can just use the phone. 152 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000 And the problem was, he wouldn't use the phone. 153 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,000 And then we're showing up. 154 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Yeah. 155 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,000 And then we're showing up and there's no there's no communication. 156 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,000 And it's like, well, we're going to work on communication and try to figure that out. 157 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:22,000 And then ultimately, unfortunately, unfortunately for me, we had to get the phone. 158 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:32,000 And then not too long after that, Victoria started getting into things with school and then all and then quickly it was, well, what phone are you getting her? 159 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:39,000 I'm like, when you get her a phone, he didn't get a phone until he was 15, 16 years old. 160 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,000 She's 11, 12. 161 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Why am I getting her a phone? 162 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 Well, she is after school, too. 163 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,000 And I'm like, this is insane. 164 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 What happened? 165 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Well, we took away the easy stuff. 166 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:59,000 We took away the keep a couple of quarters in your car and around because they're on property everywhere. 167 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:06,000 So in some ways, we have allowed technology to to take over and kind of dictate our lives. 168 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,000 And that's the kind of stuff that puts me on a soapbox. 169 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Yeah. 170 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,000 I mean, it makes sense. 171 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:19,000 So like the ways that it changes things, I think it starts very very small. 172 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Like, oh, this is handy. 173 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Yes. 174 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,000 And then it turns into everybody expects this. 175 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:38,000 I remember being at a camp and having that feeling, I think that you would agree with where all of a sudden you're you're hearing like through this through the. 176 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,000 You know. 177 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Channels of of camping feedback like that. 178 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:52,000 People are getting upset because they don't have access. 179 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:59,000 And I think at the beginning of hearing that there was it was a very easy thing to say, like. 180 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Well, you came to camp like correct. 181 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,000 This is part of it. 182 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:15,000 I think that that that very much was as an IT guy at camp, your job was to facilitate the technology that's necessary for the back end of camp happening. 183 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,000 Correct. 184 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:29,000 We've got to make sure that there's AV stuff, we got to make sure that there's, you know, connection for certain things, but we're not we're not part of the camp like no experience. 185 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,000 Yeah, it was amazing. 186 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Trying to think of how many years ago it really started to creep in to to get the what do you mean you don't have Wi Fi. 187 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,000 It's like, well, no, don't get me wrong, we have Wi Fi. 188 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,000 You don't have Wi Fi, but we have. 189 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 You're absolutely wrong. 190 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000 We do have Wi Fi. 191 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000 You don't. 192 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 You don't. 193 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 You're here to unplug. 194 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,000 You're here to to hear the gospel. 195 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,000 You're here to partake in learning about Jesus. 196 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000 That's what this is about. 197 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,000 And if we can use some little bits and bobs of technology to make that better. 198 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Great. 199 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000 But no, you don't need Wi Fi. 200 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:18,000 I can remember seeing dads, because we didn't have it. 201 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,000 They would literally be sitting in the parking lot by themselves staring at their cell phone. 202 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,000 And I'm going, Dad, what are you doing? 203 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Put the phone up. 204 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Get back in there. 205 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Don't do it. 206 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Your counselor. 207 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Yeah. 208 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:40,000 And you hear like, well, he's a financial guy or he's a lawyer. 209 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,000 And I'm like, no, you came to camp. 210 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,000 You're a dad. 211 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000 Yes. 212 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Yes. 213 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Work and wait. 214 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,000 Technology can go to a side. 215 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Be dad. 216 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Be a husband. 217 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Get engaged. 218 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 You're only here for a short period of time. 219 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Make the most of it. 220 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,000 So here's the I guess the church side of them. 221 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,000 We're not. 222 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 There's an aspect of it being the same. 223 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:19,000 The church is supposed to be a respite from the rest of the week. 224 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:28,000 The church is supposed to be the the time where you are re centering. 225 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:36,000 I think on our website we have the renew refocus. 226 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 I can't remember what the other one. 227 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 It's like recent or renew refocus or something like that. 228 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:51,000 But it's that that idea that we we want to as we come together, we want to, you know, 229 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,000 the rest of the week, hopefully you are letting your light shine to the rest of the world. 230 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:06,000 You are pouring out what Christ is putting inside of you. 231 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:15,000 The opportunity and on a Sunday or on a Wednesday night or whatever when you come to the church is to be with other Christians and to. 232 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Yes, if there's a guest and if they don't know Jesus to be able to tell them about that. 233 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,000 But that's the rest of the week as well. 234 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:44,000 The experience on Sunday morning was or is supposed to be a corporate time of worship where we together as a body of Christ as the body of Christ as a local body of Christ as we come together and we focus on worshiping and learning. 235 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:51,000 And so there's the same kind of element of man, I wish that we could unplug from everything else. 236 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Hey, you probably shouldn't be texting while the pastor is preaching. 237 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Stuff like that is a is kind of in the same mindset, but it's so hard for people to be off of devices because, hey, that's where my Bible is. 238 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000 It's on my phone. 239 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Yeah, you know, 240 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:26,000 I really, I don't like, I want when we go into small groups for the small groups to be able to talk together about what's going on and to learn together. 241 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:33,000 So now we have in a lot of our, you know, 242 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:49,000 life group rooms or Sunday school rooms or small group rooms, whatever you want to call them. We have TVs and those TVs are there to be a resource for like if you want to put your slides up or if you want to put your scripture verses up or something like that. 243 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:55,000 But now they got to have Apple TVs up there in case they want to watch a like right now video and now they're, you know, 244 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:04,000 at some point it turns into just another like we're going from one video into another video into another video into another video because that's all we have. 245 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:12,000 That's all we have space for in our brain is watching somebody else on a screen. Yeah. Yeah, you start to 246 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:31,000 lose a lot of the human element with the more technology introduce and there's good good reasons for bringing it in and you know right now media is a great resource, but don't but don't let that be the, hey, we're going to watch a video this week, because that was easier than putting something together. 247 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:39,000 I'm guilty of that, you know, it's, it's easy to, you know, and we're trying to do something to go here, watch this video. 248 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Yeah, you know, there's a lot of great resources but you know Michelle and I have been looking at some other options to remove the technical piece from it. 249 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:59,000 And it's almost, it's, I can't think of what it's called but it's basically, you just pull a card out of the box. 250 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:09,000 And it gives you something to discuss. And you just sit around turn the TV off put the phones away. And it's just, just us talking. 251 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Remove that element, our pastor Chris was was talking about recently, I wasn't there for this conversation but I got filled in later about it that he was saying that Google had destroyed conversations. 252 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:40,000 We used to say like somebody would ask a question and everybody would kind of speculate about it. And yes, like the amount of BS thing going on inside of those conversations and, you know, talking over each other and stuff like that. 253 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Let's, yes, there are, there are bad conversations to be a part of. But now it's like, instead of having a conversation about it. Somebody just pulls out Google and looks for an answer. 254 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 They got Google on their phone. 255 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,000 I'm going to search engine that bad boy. We're going to have the answer. 256 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,000 And then the engine like then the conversation stops, because we got the answer. Yeah. 257 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:13,000 I mean I see it maybe we could push through and talk about what the answer. 258 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Then, 259 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:21,000 I mean you know, like, what's next after the answer to that question. 260 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,000 This is where I need the jingle fact check false. 261 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Because that's, that's what it feels like you just pick a room full of fact checkers. 262 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:38,000 And I'll tell you, just because it's on the internet. Google pulled it up. 263 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Oh yeah, now we're, now we're not lemmings. Now we know everything. Oh, you're, you're a lemming. 264 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000 If it's on the internet, it's got to be true, right? 265 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,000 Following a much bigger crowd. 266 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Yeah. 267 00:23:51,000 --> 00:24:03,000 But that type of like, I need, I need this. That's a, like, that's a tough place to be. The idea that 268 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:09,000 I am, I was encouraged by some friends of ours 269 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,000 to stop like putting notes. 270 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:20,000 When I'm taking notes or when I'm trying to remember something, stop putting that in my phone. 271 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000 And instead start writing it down on paper. 272 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:29,000 And I was like, well, it's just one more thing to carry around. I don't know if I want to do that. 273 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:36,000 Evidently, this is one of those, I'm trying not to just believe it because it's on the internet things. 274 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:46,000 There is some veracity that's being given to 275 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:52,000 the idea that our brains do 276 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:59,000 because I mean, even from an early age, one of the things that you're, you're cognitively learning that your 277 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:05,000 your brain is putting into place is object permanence. 278 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000 When you play peekaboo, peekaboo for the baby, 279 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,000 you don't know what you're doing. I mean, you do know what you're doing. You're playing with the baby. 280 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:20,000 But one of the things that you are teaching them whenever you play peekaboo with the baby is object permanence. 281 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:29,000 Because to a child who is brand new to this world, not seeing something, I mean, you know, you tell them to hide and they cover their eyes. 282 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:35,000 You can't see me. If you can't see me or if I can't see you, you can't see me. 283 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,000 It's like, no, that's not how object permanence works. 284 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,000 Just because you cover my eyes, I'm still there. 285 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Like, you know, like you start to work on those things till their brains catch on. 286 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Oh, this is just because I dropped something does not mean it doesn't exist anymore. 287 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,000 You ever been upset with a baby because they drop something and they just burst into tears? 288 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,000 They have no idea that that thing still exists because of object permanence, because it hasn't whatever. 289 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:13,000 There's something inside of our brains with things that we write down as well that if it's just in our phones and then you close your phone, 290 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:19,000 that challenges object permanence because you're not actually sure that you're going to be able to get it back. 291 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Whereas if you write it down. 292 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:28,000 Now, I'm not a psychologist. I don't or psychiatrist, psychologist. 293 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:39,000 I'm not any of these things. I have not done that whatever, but I am willing to try this to see what happens because in my mind, 294 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,000 I'm like, I've got technology with me. Technology should be able to fix this problem. 295 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:59,000 And I'm starting to understand here in my 40s that technology may not be the strongest solution to most of our problems. 296 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Correct. And I would say there's some there's definitely some. 297 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:12,000 At least for me, there's personal evidence that backs up what you're discussing, because when I think of when I was in school, 298 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:20,000 whether it's high school, middle school, college, if I the classes that I took detailed notes in, 299 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,000 I almost felt like I didn't have to study for a test. 300 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,000 But if I didn't take good notes, I'd get to a test and realize, oh, I need to study more. 301 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,000 And so there is some there's something about that. You're listening. 302 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:43,000 You're writing it down. You can read it. It just kind of gets ingrained in there and has more permanence, if you will, 303 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:51,000 versus just kind of sitting and listening or, you know, putting it putting it on an iPad or whatever. 304 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:57,000 And then it's just kind of poof gone until you can go search and find it again. 305 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,000 So, yeah, I would say writing it down is huge. 306 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:09,000 I think that's even changed for me recently, even at work, instead of creating tasks on my phone. 307 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:17,000 I now have a little notepad. And when I'm in a meeting, I'm now actively writing that down. 308 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:25,000 You know, if I'm being given a task task to work on or I'm meeting with somebody from another department or a whole department 309 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000 and they're they're telling me what they need or what they want. 310 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:34,000 I'm writing all that down and I'm finding it easier to remember what they asked for. 311 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:40,000 And then it's also so much easier to know where to go get it if I'm missing a particular piece. 312 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:50,000 So there's definitely something to to writing in conjunction to to hearing or whatever it may be that definitely makes a difference. 313 00:28:50,000 --> 00:29:00,000 I'm just like I'm more convinced, I guess, by things like that, that, you know, the easy is not always best. 314 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:08,000 And it's not that like easy isn't necessary. Sometimes sometimes we just need the like, let's power through this, whatever. 315 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000 And the more easy buttons we can hit, the better. 316 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:19,000 Believe me, I'm a parent. I know like that you just there are times when it's like the rest of this is too hard 317 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,000 for me to be spending too much time on the stuff that's not as important. 318 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:32,000 But there are other things that we need to prioritize, even though easy would be nice. 319 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Yeah, yeah. It's important to like as a Christian, I'll say let's put it this way. 320 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:45,000 I'll say it's important for you to memorize scripture, even though you have a Bible in your pocket. 321 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Even though you have a search engine in your pocket that can pull up whatever scripture commentary you want. 322 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,000 Like it's important for you to memorize scripture. 323 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:09,000 It's important for us to prioritize the things that we actually know are important, even though they're not urgent. 324 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:21,000 There's a book about that somewhere. Yeah, there's definitely some intelligence behind writing scripture on your heart. 325 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:30,000 And so that comes back to the reading, committing it to memory, because, you know, you may find yourself somewhere 326 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:37,000 and you don't have the luxury of pulling the Bible out or you can't you can't find it on the phone or Lord forbid. 327 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:46,000 We have other scenarios play out like a good example of why not to depend on technology for us in Texas with snowmageddon. 328 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:54,000 You lose power, we lost water. And so bad. It was like, oh, wow, this is kind of interesting. 329 00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:01,000 We've got a little bit of a water store. You know, we've got some a little bit of food and we were OK. 330 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:09,000 But that was kind of eye opening to go. What if we actually had a really bad winter? 331 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Oh, we'd be in trouble because we're dependent on all this technology to take care of us instead of learning to depend less on technology 332 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:29,000 and more of what we can do not only to help ourselves, but to help our neighbors and the people around us. 333 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:35,000 So, I mean, that I mean, even that's just kind of a good reminder of. 334 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:43,000 If you can depend too much on technology and when it's taken away from you, you're hosed. 335 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000 Yeah, you're hosed. And I'm going to correct myself. 336 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Technological terror. That's what Darth Vader said. 337 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Technological terror. 338 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,000 So the Star Wars people can leave me alone now. 339 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,000 Oh, be careful of this technological terror that you're building into your life. 340 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:05,000 And and I think what you kind of hit on before that it's it's slow creep. 341 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:11,000 You don't you don't notice it. It's just it's, you know, death by a thousand paper cuts. 342 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000 You know, just just this one little thing. Oh, just this one little thing. 343 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:21,000 This one little thing. And then eventually you get far enough down and you turn around and you're like, how in the world did I get here? 344 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000 I was just over there. Yeah. 345 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:33,000 And then you're finding that you've now become so ingrained into it, so dependent that you almost don't know how to function without it. 346 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:44,000 Well, and yeah, I mean, not not knowing how to function without it, not knowing. 347 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:53,000 I think the skills that you had before you had that easy button, you know, yes, not knowing how to function without it. 348 00:32:53,000 --> 00:33:06,000 I think that covers it. But I do want to make sure that's framed in a way that you understand or people understand like them. 349 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:20,000 What am I trying to say? That you necessarily when you stop like there are people that my cousin's a ham radio operator. 350 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:28,000 How many people know how to use a ham radio? You have to get like you've got to go. 351 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Typically, a couple of generations back to find people who truly know him. 352 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Yeah. And it's like. That's that's a long distance communication that. 353 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,000 Would still be around with certain things, not working anymore, put it that way. 354 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,000 Yeah. And how many people know how to do that? Many. 355 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000 No, it's not a necessary skill anymore. 356 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Well, I'll admit I have two ham radios and they're up above me. I need to get a fair day back for those, by the way. 357 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Just to protect it. Now, I'm not licensed yet, so I'm not doing anything illegal with them, but I'm intrigued by it. 358 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000 And there's some interesting things out there that they're doing. 359 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:23,000 And again, this kind of gets into where do you want to keep this balance with technology? 360 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:32,000 But they're doing some really cool stuff with ham in terms of peer to peer networks and actually being able to pass data and traffic. 361 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,000 And it's not just, hey, I talked to this guy halfway around the world. 362 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000 There's so much more than when all these repeaters. Correct. 363 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,000 So, I mean, they're doing some interesting stuff with it. And that's what initially drew me in. 364 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,000 And then when Snowmageddon happened, it was like, oh, I actually have this. 365 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,000 I can turn this on and I can now listen to whether and hear other people out there talking. 366 00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:00,000 I wasn't responding because I don't have a license. I'm not going to transmit, but I can listen. 367 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,000 So when the government's not here to regulate me anymore, let me tell you what. 368 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:10,000 Yeah, people. Yeah. If it all ever fell out, people are just going to do whatever they need to do. 369 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000 Oh, mercy. So. 370 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:21,000 But yeah, to your point, I think it's that, you know, there are really nice skills to have. 371 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000 And, you know, ham could be one of them. 372 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Again, going back to Snowmageddon, realize that probably should put some more effort into being able to start a fire. 373 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:38,000 Something simple. Can you actually start a fire in your backyard? 374 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000 And it's not as easy as you think it is. 375 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Yeah, I just need the lighter fluid and one of them big. 376 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Yes. And so and that was in, you know, we we've watched some of the primitive survival stuff on TV 377 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,000 and you watch these people trying to make a fire and you're like, come on, dude, it's just a fire. 378 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000 I make a fire. And then you have it so hard. 379 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:09,000 And then you have something really happen in your life and you're like, oh, I have all these extras and I still can't keep the fire. 380 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,000 That's why they struggled because they didn't have anything. 381 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,000 You know, they're trying to do bow drills and various friction fire scenarios. 382 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000 And I've got an actual lighter and I have lighter fluid. 383 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,000 And, you know, I can get started, but I'm struggling to keep it going. 384 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:30,000 Yeah. It's different. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 385 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,000 So it's important to go camping. Yes. Go camping. Not with your phone. 386 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Not with your phone. That's correct. You use your phone to get you there with GPS if you can't read a map. 387 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Although reading the map is a map is a very important skill. 388 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000 Let me tell you what. Yes. Yes. 389 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:55,000 All these things that you learned as a kid because the technology wasn't there. 390 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000 And then now I talk to my kids and they're like, what are you talking about? 391 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,000 Like, oh, we missed a step. Yes. 392 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,000 Or if you're lucky, you had the book. The Atlas book or whatever. 393 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000 Yeah. Rand McNally. That was the one we always had. 394 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:18,000 Yeah. We I remember we had those as a kid and they were but we traveled a lot from Texas to Indiana. 395 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,000 And so we stuck in the it was stuck in the back of the passenger seat. 396 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,000 Yes. Whatever. Like that little pocket back there. 397 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:33,000 Yep. Rand McNally book in it. Yep. You never know. Yep. Yeah. 398 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Use it to get you there. But then once you're there, turn it off, unplug and just be a human being. 399 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:47,000 See what happens. Yes. But listen to this podcast first. 400 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,000 You got to listen to the podcast so you know what to do and what not to do. 401 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:59,000 Because clearly we're experts. We are. We know all of it. Just solving all the problems right here. 402 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:16,000 If it was only that simple. That would be amazing. 403 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:26,000 I felt like we had a boost to Graham to call out. 404 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,000 I'm checking on that now. I don't know. We're kind of getting close to needing to rap. 405 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,000 This is what happens when you don't do your pre show prep, folks. 406 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Yeah, you do it in the middle. You're telling me that we didn't like plan every minute of this podcast. 407 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,000 Apparently not. And apparently I can't spell. 408 00:38:50,000 --> 00:39:01,000 You can't get a code if you don't spell your email right. That's true. 409 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Oh, boy. Exactly. How many times is it going to take the IT guy to actually get into an email address? 410 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:17,000 That's embarrassing. It is. Hey, there's my code. 411 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:26,000 I remember the time that I was working in IT and I replied to everybody instead of forwarding an email to my wife. 412 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:38,000 And it wasn't like I said anything bad, but it was very obvious that I was sending something to other people or to someone else instead of everyone on the email. 413 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:44,000 Anyway. All right. So I am finally in. 414 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:54,000 Pardon my slowness. And let's see if I can hit the right jingle. 415 00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:01,000 All right. Here we go. I think this is the right one. The Booster Graham sound booth. Got it. Nailed it. Nailed it. 416 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:11,000 So we have a Booster Graham. Nailed that one too. So you didn't say that just now? No, no, no. I'll play it again. 417 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:24,000 Booster Graham. That's a recording. So we have one from the last show. Is it Jason again? It is. It's Jason. 418 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:33,000 Oh, Jason. Clearly he's the only person listening. And he sent... He got back in town or back in the state from Turkey just in time to listen to this one. 419 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:45,000 Well, I think he sent this... Did he send it from Turkey? November 23rd. So was he? Is that right? 420 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:55,000 November 24th. No. Yeah, this is November 23rd. So that would have been Thanksgiving Day. If I'm looking... Yeah, this is what Albie says. 421 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:02,000 So he was out of the country. I could have sworn he sent it before. 422 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:18,000 So we... Well, I'm kind of going off the rails here. What's the Booster Graham? Well, first off, there's significance to the value as we've talked about. The numerology. He sent 3,322 Satoshis. 423 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:26,000 Thank you, Jason. Appreciate it very much. Very much. And the message is for the 33 minute and 22 second episode. 424 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:39,000 The previous show was that time. 33 minutes 22 seconds. So there's a couple ways that you go with this. Since he and I are both no agenda guys, you've got 33. That's kind of a thing. 425 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:58,000 But the fact that you've got 33 minutes in 22 seconds. 3,322. Right on the dot for both. The only thing would have been better if he could have got it down to the milliseconds and maybe had it as 11. 426 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:12,000 11 milliseconds and you could have done a 3,2,1 type of thing. So, but yeah, that's the one. So thank you, Jason. Appreciate that very much. And I'm very thankful that you came back from Turkey. 427 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,000 Yes, I would have been in trouble if he didn't come back. 428 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,000 It's important. 429 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,000 It is. It's very important to have people like him come back. 430 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:34,000 It's okay. It's okay to go camping and you just got to come back from camping. Yes. So we haven't had a full debriefing yet but it sounds like they had a really good time on the trip. 431 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:44,000 And pictures were nice. Yeah, and he was sending us random pictures of technology that he was seeing in the various hotels and places that they were staying in the wild technology in the wild. 432 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000 Yes, yes, yes. 433 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,000 And there was not surprising there was ubiquity. 434 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,000 Yes. It's not surprising at all. Great, great product, cheap. 435 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:01,000 Way to go UI. Yeah, you can send some free gear our way. 436 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000 If you're listening. 437 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,000 No, they're not I'm afraid they're not. 438 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:13,000 All right. All right, john I think that's all I've got unless there is anything else specific that you had. 439 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000 I'm grateful for you. Great for you as well sir. 440 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,000 We made it through some of the technological challenges again. 441 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,000 One more time, we'll see how well I can fix that in the edit. 442 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000 It's gonna be great. I sure hope so. 443 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:55,000 All right. See you, john. 444 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,000 Bye.