Hey there.
Hey everybody.
Welcome to Beering Gear.
Yeah.
Sorry about my voice.
Although maybe it sounds better.
I don't know.
Yeah.
It's one of those things.
You doing okay?
Doing okay.
And the sound effects not working.
Yeah.
We're, we're, we're, I mean, just constantly trying to improve and constantly getting beat
back.
Yeah.
We'll figure it out.
What are you going to do?
Hey, what are you drinking?
Oh, I actually got what I've been wanting.
I got my breakfast out.
I'm happy.
What's up founders?
Yeah.
Where'd you find it?
It's fresh.
They finally had it.
Okay, great.
I mean, I knew it.
They couldn't not have it for that long.
Yeah.
It took them a while, but they've got it.
It's amazing.
Okay.
So I got, this is not my normal, but it, I'm, I'm excited because it's local.
This is true vines.
Okay.
Dragons and dinosaurs.
It's a hazy pale ale, which I don't know what that means.
I think probably if you could see it, it would look like cloudy.
It would look like they didn't filter it.
Yeah.
It looks like dragons and dinosaurs on the outside.
So all right.
Cheers.
Wow.
That's like fruity.
There's like a lot of lemon in that.
Really?
Oh, that's exactly what I remember.
This is going to be interesting.
I'm glad you're excited.
I'm going to have to muscle through this.
Yeah.
There's nothing against it.
I just, it's not mine.
This is not what I normally drink.
Yeah.
This is a double chocolate coffee, oat milk.
It is good.
Nice.
Very, very nice.
The stout is definitely the way to go.
Hey, I wanted to talk since we've been, since we've been doing a podcasting stuff for, for
a little bit here, I wanted to talk some audio because I actually got to experience something
pretty fun.
We went to, you're right.
We went to, we went to a conference in Chicago and that was fun just because it was in Chicago.
It was actually my first deep dish pizza.
Not deep dish, but Chicago style pizza.
Where'd you get it from?
I didn't know.
Luminati's?
Was it Luminati?
It was something like that.
It was like, it was one of the places that people told us to go.
Okay.
I feel, I feel good about it.
And they were really great.
The people that were there, they did it with cornbread crust.
That sound like a thing?
I don't know that I've had that before.
Okay.
Well, let me tell you what, it was a little bit weird.
I'm not going to lie to you.
So probably not Luminati's.
Everybody swore that this was the place to go.
Not everybody, but a lot of people said that this was the place to go.
I was near Wheaton and everybody was really nice.
And like the topping of the pizza was amazing.
I just couldn't get past the cornbread.
That was weird.
It felt really weird.
Yeah.
I don't know if I've been able to do that.
But we ate and talked and it was, it was a lot of fun.
And then I don't even remember what all we ate there, but while we were in Chicago.
Did you make it to Billy Goats?
It was a good trip.
No.
That's the burger place from the old Saturday Night Live skit.
Cheeseburger, cheeseburger, cheeseburger.
But then when I got back, I got to go to the WFX conference in Dallas, which I didn't go to the conference.
I just went to the, oh my gosh, the expo.
My brain, sorry, is like all cloudy right now.
But we went to the, or I got to go to the expo.
And the reason I really wanted to go to the expo, I'd gone to the WFX expo before.
That was like years ago.
I think I was still working for Panko then.
But we're actually talking about redoing our sound system in the great room at our church.
And so one of the speakers, speakers meaning actual speakers, not like people who come and speak.
One of the speaker manufacturers that we were looking at was going to be demoing their stuff at this expo.
And so I went up there and got to hear them.
And I was just honestly expecting there to be, you know, a room that had different systems in there because they were calling it this round robin.
And I wasn't really expecting much out of that just, you know, to be able to hear them.
But they had this whole thing set up.
And I'm telling you, this is the way to demo speakers.
I don't know if this is normal because I haven't done it before.
But I would not be surprised if this is like this is what everybody does because there were like six or seven manufacturers.
And they had like a small system and then they had like a line array system.
And so what they did was they would they went through the small systems first and they would like the person would talk for a second and they would play the same music on each speaker system.
Talk like intro what they were showing and then they would play the system and then they would move to the next person and they would play the system.
And I was like, well, that's cool. Like this is more what I was expecting. Like this is an explanation of it. And this is what it sounds like.
And then, you know, it just keeps going around the room like that.
But then, like, I was like, OK, well, then they'll move on to their big systems.
Like they're like, no, we're going to do this two more times. I think they did it at least two more times.
They picked a different song and they played them and they just reminded you in between what the speakers were.
But then they like they would play them almost back to back so you could really hear like the same song through all the speakers.
They played like three or four different songs.
Like one per round. And so you were hearing the exact same section over and over and over again in all these different speakers.
And it was amazing. So they did that with the small speaker set up and then they did it with the big speaker set up.
And I was like. Number one. In the like their premier speaker setups, there was it was really hard to tell a huge difference between them.
There were some like, well, that coloring, you know, this this speaker system sounds warmer.
The speaker system is definitely got a very crisp high end.
We'll say that like you could hear things like that, but they were all so high quality.
It's definitely like it wasn't anything that you wouldn't be able to like tune any of these to sound the way that you wanted them to.
And then they had this microphone in the middle of the room and they were showing you the SPL and everything on the side and while they were going through.
So you could you could be taking a lot a copious amount of notes on speaker systems.
And I was like. Man, I'll never go back. That was I mean, I'll go back.
You know what I mean? Yeah, that's the way to because, you know, you go to a music store or something and try to listen or even go to like.
You know, a lot of times you'll have a an installer or manufacturer say, well, we've got we've put our speakers in this room.
You can go listen to them. And it's like, yes, if I go to a room that has these speakers in it, that's installed.
I can hear. What a.
Like. What best case scenario they sound like, hopefully, I mean, hopefully if they've put the speakers in and they've tuned everything with the speakers to the room and they've done everything that they're supposed to.
When you go into an installation that has these speakers, you should hear them at their best.
And so that's great. Like to be able to go to like another sanctuary or something and be able to hear what the speakers sound like is awesome.
But to hear them all back to back in big rooms, I got to go listen to another.
There was another manufacturer who wasn't in around Robin, but had their own like they were giving demos of like their whole product line.
And so they were in a room by themselves and it was not a big room.
And I said, like, they turned on their speakers at one point and it was like, it was a pretty big system for us to be sitting in that small room.
And I was like, like, I. I don't want to.
I'm not trying to make everybody feel awkward about it, but like that was terrible.
Like that was not mixed for, you know, six of us sitting in this small room that was like trying to blow our heads off.
Anyway, like there was a lot of really cool.
Different things that they were at the expo is kind of fun.
I'm just in general because. I don't know if you've ever been to WFX. I have not. Probably not. No.
But it's it's like the worship facilities expo, I think is why it's WFX.
And it's so it's like everything from seats like chairs, manufacturers of chairs and.
Like safety team stuff like walkie talkies and things like that and those type of camera systems all the way over to like.
Big production type things. There was actually a booth in the far corner that I sent a picture to Colson.
My boss and it was.
They had this rig for like.
Putting somebody in like a bungee system and being able to like lift them up and things like that. And I was like.
I mean, you want to try this for Christmas?
Like a Preston Wood situation here where. Yeah.
So in the speakers that you were listening to, what were some of the brands that they had on display?
So they had.
By amp was one of the really good ones that I didn't. I don't know much about by amp, but they sounded really good in a box.
T.
It's like TCM or.
I can't remember what that one knows just T.W. T.W. audio.
R.C.F.
There's a German name. I can't remember.
That comment like I had all of the if we if we had recorded this a week ago, I would have had.
All of them. Yeah, off the top of my head, but there were some really good ones and I was really surprised at the.
Like some of them were doing it with really small speakers, which I was T.W. was one of the ones there, their speaker system that they brought out. I was like.
That those are little bitty arrays and they sounded great.
Like it didn't sound like little speakers. So.
Yeah, the last few that we put in a line array have been R.C.F.
Yeah, we've been really happy.
They've. Yeah, they've they've become very popular lately. They're Italian made or Italian designed.
I don't know if they're Italian made anymore. They started off Italian made.
It was really funny. I was expecting the guy because they said that I was expecting the guy to sound Italian and he did not sound Italian.
He was he was from Texas, I think.
Looking for that. It's a me, Mario. It's a me, Mario.
But it's a lot of fun to be able to do that. And honestly, like I've it's been a while since I was really particular about speakers.
And so getting back and being able to listen that I really wish that we could have had more people go with me because that was just one of those really busy.
It was a week after we got back from Chicago. Yeah. Who wants to be gone again at that point?
Does it happen about the same time every year?
Yeah, it is about the same time every year. And it's been in Dallas, I feel like pretty regularly.
But next year, it's going to be in Tennessee. Bummer. So bummer.
I'm sitting there going, a year from now, I need to get Jason and Jacob and we can go up there.
And if you were available, we could all kind of write up and check it out. Now we've got to figure out how to get to Tennessee.
Yeah, right. We'll just have to write up to Tennessee. No big deal.
Yeah, we're going to go scope out a new possible camp property.
And while we're there. Far away from your camp property.
Maybe we fly to the other camp property and then we go. Yeah, short drive up something like that.
But we so we spent that week that week. It was like three days in Chicago at this worship innovators conference.
And there was a lot of software at that one.
But there were still quite a few like talking about hardware and talking about how to maximize things and different.
I actually there was one guy who's pretty well known as a.
Audio technician and he is I got to talk to him a little bit about my king because I don't know if like.
Other guys that are audio technicians like when you're my king, like a drum set in a room.
You kind of get that's a room that's not huge. We've got like a 800 person room.
I know that like fire code is more than that. It's like a thousand.
But we've got big chairs. So the most we can get in is like 800.
But it. The drum set is.
Sounds really big. Yeah, it's anyway that problem that I think a lot of people have the drums sound bigger than the room.
And the drummers don't want to play softer. But I was talking to him about like.
Because at one point he made a comment about not doing a shield and I was like, I hear it like I've heard that like whatever.
And he was like, I mean, you might as well put him in that little apartment building that they build on stages now for drums drummers.
Which I totally we've talked about whether or not to do that.
But he was like a shield was the worst thing that you can do.
And I was like, well, crap, I've been doing that for a while.
And he was saying like you you have reflection immediately off the drums.
And you've got the mic set up a certain distance from the drums.
And so you're hearing.
At best phase cancellation at worst, you're hearing just a muddying of everything.
And so like just being real particular about which mics you're using and everything, how you're directing them.
And he was like, if you if you can't do a full enclosure, you need to be doing baffles instead of.
A full shield and you need to be pointing them off the stage or angling them so that the sound reflects off of the stage as opposed to back into the whatever.
And I didn't have the heart to tell him.
Everywhere that I can reflect the drums in our room is reflecting right back into the drum pretty much.
Yes.
We just got to figure out our system at some point.
But it's exciting to be like talking about.
I know that we don't.
All all gear is expensive.
There are very few times that you're looking at a piece of gear and like, oh, it's only that much money.
Most of the time it's like, oh, that'd be really nice if we could.
Oh, hey, yeah.
Thousands of dollars.
I'll probably not ever own that.
Like your ribbon mic from last show.
Oh, my gosh.
I would love to be able to spend fifteen hundred dollars on a ribbon mic.
But that was one of the things like this guy was so excited about these ribbon mics because of, you know, ribbon mics respond differently.
I feel like they're a little bit warmer.
I mean, somebody said something like, well, a ribbon mic records the way that your ear.
Listen, like, that's that's a weird thing to say, not sure that I totally understand what they're talking about.
But they were saying that because it records that way, then it's more natural here listening to it whenever you listen to it back.
But I mean, there's so much like the veil on that has been totally lifted for me.
I know when before I was at all involved in mechanics, stuff with cars like I used to know that there was an engine under there, but it might as well have been like little guys with like little hamsters on wheels.
Yes. And little guys banging away at stuff to make things work because I had no idea what what happened inside of the engine.
And now, like with sound technician, like audio engineering stuff like there's there's so much going on, like there's so many factors involved with getting tone or getting certain sound out of whatever you're using.
Yep. We're learning like I'm learning.
It's it's it's impressive that we make any of it work. So I definitely I love hearing from guys that have been doing it a lot longer than me, though.
And that's that's a lot of what that conference was.
Okay, that sounds like it was a lot of fun.
That was a lot of fun. And it was in Chicago. So, I mean, can't argue with that.
Yeah, it's not bad to get a trip to Chicago every now and then.
No.
What?
You said when we were talking before that somebody sent us a.
Yeah, we've got some booths.
You want to you want to read the boosts?
Yeah. Yeah, I wish the the jingle would work.
I'm sorry.
What y'all were supposed to hear right now is something that said something to the effect of boost to gram sound booth, but it had a little more emphasis in the words.
So yeah, this is we have to to boost.
Yes. So these are our first that have come in beyond the feel good one that I did just for a test.
Yeah. So the first of well, actually, I guess I need to back up. I need to explain some of this in boost to grams or these boosts.
There's a lot of numerology that goes on.
So you don't just randomly just send you. Well, you can just pick a random value and send it. And there you go.
But the beauty of the system is you can play around with the numbers and do just about anything that you want.
There can be different meanings behind it.
So these two particular boosts have numerology to them.
And I will try to explain because it comes from the no agenda podcast.
So and those of us that don't know just don't know. Yeah, we all are going to learn.
We're all going along for the ride. Exactly.
So that's that's what's kind of fun is, you know, you can send it and you get to pick the numerology.
And if it means something to you, include it in the boost.
So we know what it means. Nice. So so this first one was two thousand two hundred and twenty two sets.
That is referred to as a row of ducks.
A row of because it looks like that because it looks like ducks. Yes.
So two, two, two, two, a row of ducks and the message.
You're going to to love this one, John.
Have a row of ducks so that John can get a beer.
Well, probably not enough for a beer. T foul. I love it. That's perfect.
Yeah. So that's from the beer. Yeah. Jason Kord.
That was for you having your red solo cup. There you go.
And then the second one is one thousand one hundred and eleven.
You could call that a row of sticks.
You could call because it's one you could call that making it rain.
So sky's the limit on how you want to go with it.
And so this one was actually referencing something that we discussed in the last episode.
The message is just simply nerd knobs.
So if you remember in the last show, I was explaining, I had never heard that before
about the idea of like how nerdy you want to be. Turn the knob up and down.
Turn the nerd knob. Yes.
So he just simply sent in the message. Nerd knobs. Both of those.
You got to go ahead. You got to own your nerd hood.
Exactly. One of my professors.
OK, so this is really nerdy.
My minor in college was music because I started as a music major.
And anyway, I had a music minor by the end of my first semester or by the first year.
I had to go a full year as a music major to get a music minor.
But that's how intense it is.
So one of my professors, though, this is my music history professor.
OK, she was one of my favorites. She was amazing.
And she would always say, you know, we're all nerds.
You got to own your nerd hood.
Like the fact that you are nerdy about this does not make you not.
It's not something that you should be ashamed of.
Like you've got to own that. So own that knob. Absolutely.
Absolutely. So I do want to say before we get away from that,
that both of these are from our friend, Jason Court.
They're both from Jason. They're both from Jason. Yeah.
Thanks, Jason. Yeah. Thank you, Jason. Appreciate it.
Good, good dude. Oh, yeah.
Jason. OK, so every job that I left at Pine Cove,
like whenever I would move on from something at Pine Cove,
I left it in more capable hands.
And Jason was the second of those.
Micah McHugh was the first of those.
When I left my job in maintenance, Micah took over and it was like,
man, I'm glad John left.
It was the same thing with Jason. Like I left and Jason took over doing
AV stuff and it's just, I mean, it's so nice over there now.
Yeah. Yeah. We were very fortunate to find them when we did.
And now it's continued at the church.
Yes. Oh, shoot. Anyway. Anyway. Yeah.
So nothing like being replaced to make you feel obsolete.
Yes. So if he's listening, you know, I send another boost.
And we'll keep the conversation going. Yeah. Thanks, brother.
Yeah. Anybody who's listening, go ahead and send a boost. Yeah.
You can send us anything you want in the message.
Yeah, I'm I am.
Intrigued by this new level of podcasting that is available to us like it does it, you know, to me, I think I've always been, even though.
You know, technology is awesome and I've been trying to understand and further myself in technology.
As long as I can remember.
The fact that they're like there's such a specific.
The everything is gaining so fast that there can be such amazing growth in such a specific area is like that's intense.
Yeah, there there's an amazing group of guys behind the development that's happening.
You've got the apples and the spotifies of the world who are just kind of pulling the Microsoft and just kind of just sitting back and going, we're not worried about it.
We got this. And it's all just going to pass them by.
Yeah, I mean, I think probably especially because of the attitude that these guys have had that so like we don't we don't have to own this to make it better.
And everything Apple and all these other companies that are like that.
I have an iPhone. I'm not trying to like pretend like I'm something that I'm not here.
I'm doing this on a Mac computer.
But their mentality has always been, you know, this scarcity, like we, we have to own it or we don't really want to spend time on it.
And it's like, you don't like that's not how a community works. Like you got to learn how to not just build a community around the people that you can own everything that they do.
Correct. And they just don't seem to understand the, the fact that RSS is really designed to be open.
It's not it's not designed for anybody to own it.
Well, Steve Jobs didn't like anything open. He wanted to be able to control everything because he wanted it to be great. And if you make it open, there's a risk of it not being great.
But I think that I think the benefits outweigh them negatives there.
I agree.
Got to learn how to give everybody space to create.
Yeah.
Yep. So hopefully the podcast hosting companies out there stay on this train.
Yeah.
Man, that was a big sneeze.
Good save.
So yeah, hopefully they'll stay with it.
And all these guys will continue this development.
And again, it's a it's a community of people. It's not any one person.
I mean, you do obviously you've got Adam Curry and Dave Jones podcasting 2.0 that are kind of the figureheads of it, so to speak.
But it's a huge group of people that are that are putting this thing together and making it a reality.
I mean, oh yeah, me too. Absolutely. Let's have fun with it. Yeah.
My voice is about to go.
OK, we can start wrapping it up real quick. Talk to you about this mic before we go.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Mike. Yeah. I'm I tonight I'm using the Lulit LCT 440 Pure.
I have LCT 440 Pure 440 Pure large diaphragm.
I have absolutely fallen in love with this mic.
Unfortunately, you all are probably hearing the network equipment in the room because of it.
But the sound reproduction, the quality, the.
The tones that I'm able to hear. Yeah.
From it that I don't get from my electric voice, not that my electric voice is bad.
It's a it's an amazing mic, but it's just that difference between dynamic and condenser.
Yeah, your EV is a dynamic. Yeah.
This is a condenser. Yeah. Now it's one of the hotter dynamics because of the neodymium magnet.
Right. But I mean, condensers are just better for tonal reproduction.
Listen, buddy, you say better. I say tomato.
Well, this is one of those. If you remember the last show, I said, hey, I'm the guitar center.
People may get tired of me. I had intended to just use this and send it back.
But I've absolutely fallen in love with it and it's not going. It's not going.
Well, I'm telling you, like if you're going to fall in love with a micro condenser microphone
that sounds that good for two eighty nine on the water, that's not bad. No, no, no.
As as any of the guys listening that, you know, are geared nuts like two eighty nine for a high quality microphone is nothing.
Yeah. And I know you all can't see the video, but John can.
Everything you see here, it came with it came with the shock mount. It came with the pop filter.
Yeah. All of it. You don't have the windscreen on it. It comes with the windscreen.
I have to if I can do this without making too much noise.
Yeah, there's the pop filter. Yeah, there's the pop filter right there with their little logos.
You can see it. It's pretty looking. Yep. I love that it just kind of slides, slides on magnetically catches.
Yeah, it did. Also, yeah, it's magnet. How do they work? They work pretty well.
Yeah, you did also come with the foam windscreen, but I really like I like the look of this.
Oh, yeah. You don't need a foam windscreen if you're not, you know, breathing real heavy on it or something like that.
Correct. Or out in the wind. Correct.
So I'm I'm two for two on a product that I am endorsing people to go buy. Nice.
I'm sure eventually we'll find one and be like, oh, don't don't do that. Don't don't buy that. Yeah.
Yeah, I think it sounds good. Yep. I've just got to work on.
Do I stay in here or do I need to find another room in the house to try to avoid some of this background noise?
If I'm going to stay on this mic or go back to the US is more of a thing now. Yeah.
Yeah, we need to get you some the the bedding, like the whatever you call it.
The egg, egg, great, great. Yeah. I try to put a barrier between me and the gear behind me.
Wrap yourself in it. Yeah. Little cocoon over the mic.
So, all right, man, well, let's get you out of here so you can get your rest your voice.
Hope you get to feeling better, man. Thanks, brother. All right.
Be in here with you as always. All right. Sounds good.
See you.