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Hey there, welcome back to Beer and Gear.

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We are having some technical difficulties today.

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Just a little bit.

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Just a little bit, but it's gonna be great.

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I'm super excited about this opportunity to work through all of the tech stuff that we all have to work through every once in a while.

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It's gonna be fine.

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Yeah, third time's a charm.

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Third time is the charm.

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Um, yeah.

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How you doing, Chris?

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Other than the technical stuff, I'm doing pretty good.

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I have a freshly mowed and weeded yard.

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That's always a nice thing to see.

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Yeah, it is.

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Um, it just, it's like, it's like when you clean your car or mow your grass, everything feels just, just a little bit nicer.

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Just right.

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Just that one less thing.

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Yes.

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Yeah, my only real concern for tonight is it's the homecoming dance that Victoria is going to.

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This is a first.

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So, um, we're not going with a boy, so that's a win for me.

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Oh, good.

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Uh, but obviously there's going to be boys there.

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Yeah, well, we can't kill them all.

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No, but I'm realizing I may need to invest in more guns.

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I have an insufficient supply.

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Insufficient supply for having a little girl.

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I also have a little girl.

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Yes.

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But I have not had to deal with the homecoming dance yet.

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Yeah, the game did.

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I had some sort of like social or something at school, um, the other day for her.

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And I was like, I don't even know what that means.

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Yeah, at that age, who knows?

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I know we went to the homecoming game last night and it looked like Lee through some crazy events was going to hang on, but they lost with five seconds to go.

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Oh no.

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Yeah, it's now that makes them 0 and 4 on the season.

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So I mean, at least they're being consistent like my Chicago Bears.

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Oh.

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So, but it's always roughly you lose your homecoming.

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We haven't talked to Bears.

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Uh, for good reason.

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Yeah, right now I don't want to talk Bears.

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They, they, they broke my heart.

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They did.

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I can understand that.

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Like, for sure.

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But at least you're not the Jets right now.

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That's true.

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That is true.

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Spend all that money and you're back to Wilson.

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Back to, well, I think they're going, um, what's his name?

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The other guy.

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Anyway, I don't know.

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Football.

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Football sport.

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Um, all right.

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So what are you, what are you drinking?

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I'm drinking old chub.

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We talked about it last time and I had to go get some old chub, um, because, and it's

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just so good.

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Um, it's a Scotch ale, um, from Oscar blues up in Longmont, Colorado.

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And I highly recommend I'm going to take a drink.

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From the can.

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I'm a bit of a weird looking can now.

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I will say they, they tried to, because it's a Scotch ale, they tried to go like, Hey,

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now we've got a plaid.

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looking and this is weird looking.

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Plaid is ruined for me because when I see it, I think of space balls.

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Space balls.

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So they've gone plaid.

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They've gone to plaid.

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So I'm a bit of a snob.

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I prefer a bottle, although I will drink from a can.

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I have founders Porter.

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Founders Porter.

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Which is a Porter.

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It is a Porter.

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L or is it a standalone Porter?

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I think it's a, it's a Scotch Porter.

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I don't know, but it, I don't know what the differences are.

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I have, I have friends for that.

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I don't, I don't pay attention to those details.

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I'm the guy who you ask how the Apple event went on Tuesday.

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So what I'm seeing online, it says that a Porter is darker and more full body.

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I like it when they talk about liquids, like they are women.

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This is a full bodied.

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So before we get into what I hope we're going to be able to talk about tonight, depending

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more technical is I did want to throw something out, an idea that hit me in the shower of

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We're the best ideas.

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So obviously I knew that the event happened, didn't pay attention to it.

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No, there's new phones and new watches.

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That's about the extent of what I know, but I've had, I've had people at work coming up

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to me saying, Hey, I'm getting the new iPhone.

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I'm trading my phone in.

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They're giving me a thousand dollars for my phone.

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And I'm like, wait, what, what model do you have?

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Most of them have a 13.

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And I'm like, wow.

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A grand kind of hard to pass that up.

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So I get home, confirm my wife has an 11 go on to AT&T.

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How much are they going to give?

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They were going to give $830 for her iPhone 11.

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Nice.

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And I'm sitting here going, where's the win here?

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AT&T gets you into a contract, but that doesn't mean they necessarily get any more money.

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There has to be a cat down.

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And I've been thinking and thinking and thinking.

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And then it was like, Oh, wait.

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They talked about the fact that they were using recycled materials.

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And so I'm sitting here going, did they work a deal either out with AT&T or with some

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recycler to bring these back because there's even more value to be stripped out of the

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phone and these materials.

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They're turning around and selling it either direct to Apple or some middleman.

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And then they're going to kick it all back.

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And that's how they're trying to reclaim all these materials to be more green.

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me that if you're talking about, we need to recycle more, we need to use these materials

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that we already have and stop mining for it and everything like that, that you have to

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get the old phones back for your toast.

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So it just, it'd been bugging me.

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I'm like, why are they giving so much money for an old phone?

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they could give less and still get the number back that they're talking about.

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Oh, I'm sure.

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I'm sure.

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But I mean, I was looking at, you know, them like they're giving me a thousand dollars.

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The phone I want calls 1300.

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It's not bad.

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I mean, that's, that's a, that's a steal.

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And so some folks are like, I'm just going to pay the 300 bucks and then I'm out clean.

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And then some are saying, well, they're going to just pay it out over two years.

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And my bill's going up a whole five bucks.

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Yeah, that's, that's not bad, but they are, I mean, they, they're trying to go more carbon neutral for, I think their, their goal is 2030 for being completely carbon neutral.

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So they're trying on the phones to be more carbon neutral.

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They're saying that the watch now, at least the, not, I don't think they said it about the ultra.

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I think, I think they haven't said it about the ultra yet, but the other series nine, I think is what we're at.

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The series nine watch is carbon neutral.

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Like they've, they've covered it, it's production for being carbon neutral, which is a feat.

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And I will say, if you watch the, whatever it's called, keynote, the announcement, they, I mean, they do like a whole skit.

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And I walked in in the middle of it and Chad Larsh, one of our friends who I watched it with, he was like, you walked in at a bad time.

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It's like they're having a conversation with mother earth.

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I heard that section was about 45 minutes long.

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It's just terrible.

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I mean, I understand, like this is what they are, is their highest priority.

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So of course you do something like this to some of us.

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It, it smacks a lot of, um, I don't know.

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It just, it sounds, yeah.

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It's I don't know what you want to call it.

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It's just, it's a little bit disingenuous is what it feels like, but you know, I'm sure that's the way they feel about Christians all the time.

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I'm sure I know on the carbon offset to me, it was fuzzy math.

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Cause something about a forest somewhere and they're using the carbon sequestration.

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There's my big word for the day.

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Sequestration.

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That the tree can do to offset the carbon.

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So it's not that they're reducing the so-called carbon pollution.

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We'll have that conversation another day.

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But it's just that, you know, Hey, these trees over here collect this much and we've paid X number of dollars to have lay claim to these trees.

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And now we're neutral.

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So they're going to make sure those trees don't go away.

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Until, you know, nature takes them.

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Let me tell you what, like, let's talk about how we don't clear forest anymore.

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And now we have huge fires in California.

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It's fine though. I think that's not related at all.

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Anyway, this is not the beer and political conversation you're looking for.

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Yeah. Let's talk about podcast.

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I wanted to talk a little bit about some of the history as I see it.

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I'm sure.

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Different people see it from different angles.

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But I think, I think you're a student.

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I'm really a student of this and so having an actual student of it makes that better.

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Potentially. But I mean, you're the, you're the actual practitioner.

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This is only my third show.

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You've got a few under your belt.

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Yeah, but I just record a meeting.

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Okay. So yeah, I want to talk a little bit about that.

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I think it's really good to be able to get that into the conversation.

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You know, I think it's really good to get the right kind of people involved and then kind of get into what is currently called podcasting 2.0,

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which is really what kind of got me going in the last few years.

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So I know a lot of people.

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I think it was an event.

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Was it possibly D3 where they were talking about that?

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Because I know he had a couple of people on stage where he was making that announcement or it may have been an early Apple event,

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but he was announcing Apple podcasts.

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Yeah, I remember.

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And he played a specific podcast and dropped some language.

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And what are you going to do? It's live.

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And not only that, he was dropping language about his Mac messing up, which is just salt in the woods.

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It's just beautiful though.

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Yes. So when I go back to the beginning, you know, obviously podcasting isn't podcasting without RSS.

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I mean, that's what it's all built on.

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So just some quick things to throw out there just kind of just to know RSS 1.0 was December of 2000.

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So 23 years. Yeah.

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To me, RSS is like where so many other things started.

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Like it feels like people were doing RSS feeds well before they were in the internet was cool.

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And you could subscribe via RSS and know when there was a new post.

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So RSS.

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I remember all the blogs.

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What was the one everybody did there for?

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Blogger?

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Zanga?

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Zanga? I don't know that I knew Zanga.

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Was it Zanga? Oh my gosh.

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I think it was Zanga.

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Okay. So RSS 2.0 was 2009.

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And so again, that's still a ways back.

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And so nothing has really really been done.

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So in terms of going back to the origins,

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you know, I kind of go back to Dave Leiner and Adam Curry.

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Some people may know Adam Curry from MTV, depending on your age.

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Yeah. Although he doesn't have that hair anymore.

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Doesn't he? I don't know. I haven't seen it.

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No, he doesn't. It's really short.

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Oh man.

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So basically he saw the introduction of the original iPod

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and he connected that to his days in radio and going,

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that's a listening device.

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You can now bring audio to this.

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We need to figure this out.

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And so he had found Dave Weiner with his music radio land,

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which was basically you could go online,

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you could do some basic coding and put some software together.

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And so he, Adam makeshift through something together,

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sent it to Dave Weiner and said, Hey, here's what I'm trying to do.

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Dave Weiner looked at what he had done and he said,

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Hey, I'm going to fix this and please don't ever use my software again.

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He just didn't, he did.

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He was just so appalled by how he put things together.

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So, so basically Adam Curry put together iPodder.

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If you've ever heard of that, it was one of the first,

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if not the first piece of software that would run,

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that would see that there was a new show and automatically download that for you.

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And so really that was the first.

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At least that I've been able to find.

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So there may be some others, but it was the idea.

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Even back then our internet connections were slow.

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So it was great to have this piece of software that you're asleep.

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It sees there's a new change.

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It downloads the change.

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You wake up the next day and oh, wow, look, I have a new episode to listen to.

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Yeah. I remember doing that with like updates that you would always do updates overnight.

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Oh, yeah.

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And now a lot of computers, like that's what they're trying to do with all Apple stuff is that they,

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they will, oh, just type in your passcode.

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We'll do it overnight while you're plugged in.

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That makes sense.

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But it used to be you did that because that was the number of hours that it took to get the update done.

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Yeah, I feel like 2000, I may have still had dial-up.

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I don't know if I had a cable modem yet.

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So I could be wrong, but if I had cable modem, it was crazy slow by today's standards.

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So in 2001, here you go, Chris, sorry.

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I went to start my bachelor's degree in Oklahoma and we had cable in the dorm.

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And that's how we did like the, you know, halo land parties.

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There you go.

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Well, actually you didn't have to do because they were land parties.

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Anyway, but when we started doing, when halo started to be online,

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where you could actually do it across the interwebs, that was all Caleb, Caleb cable.

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Anyway.

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So, so he, somebody out there may know something older, but this is far back because I can at least find it.

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So he had an iPodder and so prior to that Apple event, spell iPodder real quick.

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I P O D D E R.

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Okay.

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Cause I was, I was hearing you say Potter, like P O T T E R like Harry.

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I was like, that doesn't make any sense.

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No, no iPodder could he took it from the iPod.

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iPod.

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So going back to that event where Steve Jobs was announcing it just before he went on stage,

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he actually met Adam Curry backstage because he, he already knew he was introducing podcasts.

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That was decided, but he put the meeting together with Adam Curry to say,

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Hey, you're, you're kind of seen as the person of podcasting.

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I want your blessing.

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And I understand that you have an index and I would love to have your index to help us build out our index of shows.

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And so of course he was excited.

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Yeah, sure.

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Here you go.

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Have my whole, here's my index, you know, here's my show.

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And so that was back in the very, very early days.

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You're talking.

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Oh, four, oh, five, maybe a little behind that.

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Cause he was doing, um, oh, now I can't think of his podcast, daily source code.

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If anybody's heard of that.

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So he gives anyways, he gives jobs his blessing and then jobs goes out and does that announcement.

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And the show he happens to play was the most recent episode of Curry show.

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And he was having trouble with his Mac and he just drops it.

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My Mac is messing up like a blank and you're just like, oh, we're live at a event.

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It is what it is.

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So that was obviously the big announcement of podcasting.

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And then, you know, he had a little bit of a surge for a while and then YouTube happens.

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Yeah, man.

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Changing everything.

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Yes.

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And then podcasting just kind of falls to the wayside.

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You know, and so there's nothing going on.

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People are still podcasting.

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I mean, you've, I mean, some of your earliest podcasters would be Adam Curry and of all

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people, even Joe Rogan.

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Joe Rogan has been at it for ever.

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Arguably, probably the biggest podcast of the moment.

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So, so anyways, podcasting goes quiet and you don't really hear anything about podcasting

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until about 2014.

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And that was the release of the serial podcast.

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And that thing podcast blew everything up.

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Yes, it exploded and then all of a sudden podcasting is fun again.

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It's cool again.

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Hey, yeah, we're all doing podcasts.

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And the next thing you know, everybody's got a show, including us, including us.

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And I will say like we were pretty particular about not particular specific about this when

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we started and when we like we were doing this for us.

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Yeah.

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This is a hangout time for grown men who have kids.

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Yes.

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And getting to talk about things that we don't really get to talk to adults about very often.

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But anyway, yeah, I mean, there's there's all kinds of reasons for it.

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I was going to say like after YouTube, then the blog made a resurgence, but it was as

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the vlog.

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Yes.

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So I think part of the resurgence of the podcast is is this like we're we're recording this

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podcast on Riverside, which has a video aspect of it.

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So it's actually going to record.

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I mean, I'm the only one with my camera on right now, Chris.

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This computer doesn't have a camera.

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It's a little mini desktop.

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There you go.

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But the fact of the matter is that's the like that's the kind of technology that's being

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invested in right now is that you don't just want to record online.

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You want to be able to record not sorry, not just your voices.

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You want to be able to record your voices and your camera.

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And then like, you know, this is this is the steady like we just loop in as many things

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as we can and get as much data as we can.

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And then you can choose whether or not you want to watch it or just listen to the audio.

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I noticed that because we also switched this week or this past week from the WordPress

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site that we were trying to like manhandle into doing what we wanted it to do and to

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do using RSS.com.

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And RSS.com now has the ability to link to a YouTube page.

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So if you've got RSS.com using your, you know, for your podcast, whatever, you can also

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link that to YouTube and show the video portion of your podcast or video and audio, which

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I thought was like, that's a big deal.

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It is.

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Now I'm probably of the ilk that would say if you have video, it's not a podcast anymore.

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No, it's a vodcast.

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Yeah, vodcast, vlog, whatever.

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Although I guess vlog, I kind of think that more is the YouTube stuff now more than anything.

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Well, the guy holding the camera and he's facing himself.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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I have to admit early on, I did love the video piece of it going way back.

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I'm a huge fan of John C. Dvorak technology column that's been around since the eighties.

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That name sounds familiar.

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Oh, he's PC world, PC mag, a couple of the, the, the Mac as well, famously known for saying,

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well, I got to make sure I get this right because he'll, if he could find me, he kept

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my head off if I get this wrong.

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He is quoted as saying no one needs, needs or wants a mouse.

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That's unfortunately his claim to fame with most people.

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What he actually said at that time at the introduction is there is no evidence that

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people want or need a mouse.

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Two distinctly different things.

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That is a very different thing to say.

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But unfortunately it turned into, he was the guy that said nobody wants or needs a mouse.

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Yeah, that sounds a little bit like a hot take that didn't age.

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Yes.

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So he did a show called Cranky Geeks that was, that was, you get audio, but he also

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had video.

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Oh, I absolutely loved it.

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He's kind of a cranky, cantankerous type of guy.

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That may be why I'm drawn to him.

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You know, I realized that one of my favorite from Sesame Street was Oscar the Grouch.

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Well, whose wasn't?

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I mean, there's kind of a reoccurring theme here.

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I'm like, this guy's cranky.

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This puppet was cranky.

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Do I just really like cranky people?

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Apparently like cranky people.

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Yes.

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Just drawn to them.

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Yeah.

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So he did that show, typical interview based show, but it was video and I, and I would

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get the video format just because I love to be able to see him do his thing.

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But eventually kind of became a so-called purist, but podcasting it's audio only for

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me.

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The only problem I have now is I try to keep up with too many shows.

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Yeah, that'll get you.

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Yeah.

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And I will say like, there's a few of the shows that have been my favorites and they're

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not out there anymore.

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Local show here in Tyler, that time I best podcast I've ever heard.

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And I think they're just not doing anything anymore.

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Very sad.

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So at current count, I actually have 20 podcasts.

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You're listening to 20 different podcasts.

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Attempting.

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I'm behind obviously, but I'm trying.

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I don't have that much time in the day.

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So I've got maybe five that I try to keep track of, but one of them is a sermon.

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And let me tell you podcasts that last 45 minutes, it's hard to fit those in.

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Okay.

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Well, then you don't want to know that at least two of mine hit a minimum of three hours.

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Oh my gosh.

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I'm sorry.

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How do you do that?

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I'm sorry.

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Three.

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I'm three.

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So I'm a huge No Agenda fan, Adam Curry, John C. DeVora.

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Of course I've been throwing those names out typically at least three hours.

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The next, go ahead.

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When do you have time for that?

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Driving.

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I have the luxury of when I'm doing work, I typically don't get a lot of interruptions

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so I can put headphones on and I'll listen while I'm working because I'm spending a lot

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of time at the keyboard.

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So next is one called Mo Fax.

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Huge fan.

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I highly recommend.

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Again, it's another Adam Curry show.

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He's meeting with a guy named Mo Fax.

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All I know is that he's a black guy.

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He's kept his identity fairly quiet just because he didn't want to involve his family.

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Well, that makes sense.

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I've learned so much from listening to this podcast, him giving a black male perspective

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of America and it's not woke stuff.

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I mean, he's just straightforward.

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Like, Hey, this is what it is.

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This is how it is for me.

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Yeah.

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Not necessarily like an agenda.

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Just saying what his thoughts on it are.

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Correct.

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On anything.

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So that one is that one again, typically three hours.

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And then you jump to Dan Carlin, Hardcore History.

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I'm huge history fan.

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Now thankfully his don't come out very often.

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But when he does drop a show, it's at least three hours.

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He has released some that are like five, six hours.

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Oh my gosh.

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But he's doing such a deep dive into what he's discussing that you need that amount

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of time just to get it into that episode.

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And so he'll do a series and there may be 10 to 12 episodes in that series and they're

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all at least three hours.

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I don't like, I don't know.

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I don't know how you, number one, like I wouldn't be able to sit and listen to that for that

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long.

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And I understand that you're not like you're, you're not saying that you never get interrupted,

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but then if I ever got interrupted in the middle of that, I'd have to go back at least

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20 minutes and recap what I was like when I went, when I went back to the show, I would

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have to rewind it at least that long.

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This is the way I was like, this is why I had such a hard time in college reading, like

488
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,740
all the required reading in college was hard for me because I would get interrupted or

489
00:28:36,740 --> 00:28:38,760
I would like lose my train of thought.

490
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:45,200
And if I did that, I had to go back like a ways in order to gain my train of thought

491
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,400
back and be able to connect those thoughts in my mind.

492
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:57,600
And it's like, if I do that with audio, like I, I would just never get anything finished.

493
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,560
I like to think that I get most of the stuff out of it.

494
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,680
There may, to your point, there may be stuff that I'm, I lose the connections on.

495
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:11,320
So, but yeah, so that's some of my, my consumption.

496
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:16,000
I obviously subscribed to all of the churches podcasts, try to stay current on those.

497
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,280
The church has three different podcasts.

498
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,280
Three, yes.

499
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,280
Count the sermon.

500
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,280
Yes.

501
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:34,120
Which is, yeah, but the in between, the way, the only, that's the only one that I'm on.

502
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,120
It is a podcast.

503
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,080
It is just a, like it, we have to have that meeting every week to talk about where we're

504
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,640
going in the sermon and with the music and all that stuff.

505
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,240
So that's a required like meeting that we would have no matter what.

506
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:55,000
And I was just like, especially it started, we started actually recording it during COVID

507
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,160
because at the very beginning of COVID, because I was like, we need a way to engage with people.

508
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,820
And I've been thinking about how some people would like to probably hear the like behind

509
00:30:03,820 --> 00:30:07,440
the scenes of sermon prep.

510
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,840
And sure enough, like we've been doing it ever since it's kind of the mindset behind

511
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:21,040
it, but it's not a, it's not the same thing as like the, the other big podcast from the

512
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,300
church is reconstructed faith.

513
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:28,840
And that thing, like they are, they have a reason for doing that podcast.

514
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:36,500
They are trying to educate inside of that.

515
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,560
And it's, it's a, it's a different, it's a totally different thing.

516
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,240
But it's worth checking out.

517
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,480
Look up reconstructed faith at some point on wherever you get your podcasts.

518
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,480
That's a good one.

519
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,480
All right.

520
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,480
There's your plug.

521
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,480
There's the plug.

522
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,480
Okay.

523
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,760
So I know we're already at 30.

524
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,760
We don't want these to go too long.

525
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,280
So I'll try to get through this without truncating too much.

526
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:09,800
So like we said, cereal comes around, podcasting explodes, you know, then everybody has a podcast

527
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,600
and then it kind of starts to go quiet again, because again, there's no real innovation

528
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:22,280
in podcasting other than now we've got famous celebrities who now have a podcast or we're

529
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:31,680
taking NPR or PBS shows and then repackaging them as a podcast so that in case you miss

530
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:39,280
the live show, you can at least download it later and listen to the show.

531
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:49,480
And so about two, almost three years ago, you get the introduction of the podcast index,

532
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,040
which again is Adam Curry, the reoccurring theme here.

533
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,000
So he kind of looks at what's going on and for him, this all kicked off because of what

534
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,520
happened with the deplatforming of Alex Jones.

535
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:09,280
I'm not going to get into Alex other than that man can be so entertaining.

536
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,040
Why they turn the frigging frogs gate type of stuff.

537
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,360
So but I understand why they all went after him, why they deplatformed him, but he looked

538
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,120
at it, it's a bigger picture and going, Oh, wait a minute.

539
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,840
That's actually a problem.

540
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,720
Yeah, they can say, okay, we don't like you anymore.

541
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,720
You're gone.

542
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,280
You can't, you can't have a platform.

543
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,280
Correct.

544
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,800
So Apple drops him and then everybody else falls suit.

545
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,600
You know, Google drops him.

546
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Spotify.

547
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,800
I mean, you, you name it, all the players in the market.

548
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,800
He's gone.

549
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:51,040
Now he's managed to survive, but he's not getting near the reach that he had.

550
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,840
And so he's going, Hey, this is a, this is a huge problem.

551
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,360
This is a free speech issue as well.

552
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,000
Granted, these are private companies, so they can kind of do what they want to do.

553
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,120
But this feels like collusion.

554
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,720
We need something that can push back against this.

555
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,800
So he starts working on the idea of the index initially.

556
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:16,200
So it's an index of all the podcasts, all their RSS feeds, anybody can access it.

557
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:23,040
You can download the entire database anytime you want and create your own index.

558
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,400
If you wanted to compete against the podcast index.

559
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:31,520
I mean, you literally could download the database every day, update your index and be a direct

560
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,520
so-called competitor.

561
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,760
And they don't care.

562
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,080
They just want to be out there.

563
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,480
We're trying to be as independent and unbiased as we can.

564
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,480
Here's everything.

565
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,480
Yeah.

566
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:51,040
So that then turns into, Hey, we actually need to protect and extend open podcasting.

567
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:59,320
And I say open because Apple and Spotify and Google and Amazon and all the others out there,

568
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,800
there's nothing open to what they do.

569
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,120
It's very much a closed system in my opinion.

570
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,120
It is.

571
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:12,280
And like, I think the reason people don't see it is because it's free.

572
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,280
Correct.

573
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,360
You know, there's so many, there's so many aspects of it that are free.

574
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:24,800
It's free to do like, it's not, it doesn't cost money for me to put a podcast on Apple,

575
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,800
but they review.

576
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,800
They do.

577
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:33,840
And all I have to do is sit through these crappy ads that get dropped in.

578
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:41,920
And sometimes at the worst times, I mean, so I don't, don't do that to me.

579
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:42,920
I didn't.

580
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,920
Yeah.

581
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,920
Anyway.

582
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,920
Yes.

583
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,300
So again, I view those as closed.

584
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:49,960
Some people may view it otherwise, but that's how I see it.

585
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,040
Open podcasting in my opinion is just pure RSS.

586
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,160
Here's my feed.

587
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,680
Here's where my episodes are.

588
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,120
Now your application can download it.

589
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,000
You've got to listen to it.

590
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,480
So they extend the podcast index to what they call a podcasting 2.0 with the intentions

591
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:16,520
of introducing features to podcasting that would hopefully expand the, the user base,

592
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,620
draw more people in and get people going.

593
00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:24,720
So they've introduced a ton of tags.

594
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,840
Some that we're actually taking advantage of.

595
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,440
We'll get into those in a minute.

596
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,600
Hopefully if you haven't had a chance to look at some of what, what we have, we can go through

597
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,480
it in real time and maybe people listening to this could do the same.

598
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,400
That'd be fun.

599
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:50,720
So, so right now, well, I guess as of a few days ago, they had 4.29 million podcasts.

600
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:51,720
4.2.

601
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:54,640
I mean, wrap your head around that.

602
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,800
That's a big number.

603
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,560
Now that's now that could know if that obviously includes dead podcasts.

604
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:11,200
That includes a ton of one episode listed and it's the guy going fart poop.

605
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,400
That kind of stuff is literally just people playing around just being stupid and silly

606
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,400
because they could.

607
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,400
Yeah.

608
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,400
Because it's free.

609
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,400
Yes.

610
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:29,360
So of that 4.29 million in the last 30 days, only 355,000 have had a new episode posted.

611
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Oh, wow.

612
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,840
That is a huge gap.

613
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,840
Huge gap.

614
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,840
Yes.

615
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:41,160
So you listen to Apple and especially Spotify bragging about, we have 4 point something million

616
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,120
shows, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

617
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,120
Don't you dare.

618
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,120
No, you don't.

619
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,160
No, you don't.

620
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Not worth, not worth listening to.

621
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Yes.

622
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,760
So that's kind of, and I love that you can go to the podcast index.org.

623
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,880
There's a plug.

624
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,960
You can see all the, all these stats in real time.

625
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,760
They kind of put it all out there.

626
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,080
Here's how many shows we have.

627
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,960
Here's how many have updated in 30 days, 60 days, 90 days.

628
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,240
You can kind of view it all.

629
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,240
Yeah.

630
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:11,260
So, um, highly recommend even go check that out.

631
00:37:11,260 --> 00:37:18,360
So the primary components, the podcasting 2.0 is to expand the podcast namespace to

632
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,800
enable web app friendliness and then value for value.

633
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,640
What do you mean space?

634
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,880
The namespace is within the RSS feed.

635
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:38,160
I think the most common one that maybe some people have seen would be chapters.

636
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,080
I know that existed before podcasting 2.0.

637
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,160
I don't remember the company who came up with it though.

638
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:53,280
Um, but you, so in that previously you could have, uh, basically the TXT, which you can

639
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,280
use.

640
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,720
So you can include your email because until recently that was used to prove ownership

641
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,200
of a feed.

642
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,160
They could send an email to the, to what was in the feed.

643
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,120
You could get the email and respond and go, okay, yeah, you're really the owner of this

644
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,120
feed.

645
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Yeah.

646
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:14,760
Um, and then Apple has a lot of what was in there was Apple proprietary.

647
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:21,640
So like the, like a GUID, a unique identifier for your show, there is an Apple GUID for

648
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,200
every single show.

649
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,320
And so all the podcast apps know, okay, this is the podcast.

650
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,900
This is it's GUID.

651
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:30,520
This is what it is.

652
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,940
I can talk to Apple and say, here's what I'm after.

653
00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:38,680
So there really wasn't a whole lot going on there.

654
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,600
So they have come up with a ton of tags.

655
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,800
I won't try to go into full detail on all of them.

656
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,560
There are a ton of tags.

657
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:54,160
So they were looking at it and re within recent memory, there was the lawsuit with ADA and

658
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,040
going, Hey, y'all aren't compliant.

659
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,040
My clients can't partake in your podcast.

660
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,040
And it's like, no, they can't.

661
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,040
They're deaf.

662
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,040
You're right.

663
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,920
And so this has even happened to some web pages for, for the blind.

664
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,240
It's like, my, my client can't use your website.

665
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,700
So huge lawsuit, ADA ultimately won.

666
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:21,520
So that for podcasting 2.0, that leads to transcript tag.

667
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,200
Pretty straightforward.

668
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,320
Transcript of the show.

669
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,040
We actually have it currently active on the previous two shows.

670
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,840
I'm not saying it's a hundred percent accurate.

671
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,680
Oh no, of course not.

672
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:38,400
It is we're taking a look and reading and seeing how the so-called AI thinks what you're

673
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,400
saying.

674
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:46,800
But again, it extends the show to people who may be deaf and want to know something about

675
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:47,800
the show.

676
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,160
They can get the transcript and they can at least read the transcript and know what's

677
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,720
being discussed.

678
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,200
They introduce what's called the funding tag.

679
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,440
That really just kind of points to like a PayPal.

680
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,720
Hey Chris, give me a second.

681
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:02,720
Go ahead.

682
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:10,360
If there are any no agenda listeners out there, the power ball number is 33.

683
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,360
Good.

684
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,880
Where were we?

685
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,200
I think we just started talking about funding.

686
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,720
So I'll pick up with that.

687
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:17,720
Okay.

688
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,880
So the funding tag is pretty straightforward.

689
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,880
It can, oh, that's fine.

690
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,880
Okay.

691
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,640
I was going to say, cause I've, I've got it recording on my side as well.

692
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,640
I'll send that to you.

693
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:28,640
We're just going to do it off yours.

694
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,640
I think.

695
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,640
Okay.

696
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,400
So the funding tag pretty straightforward can send a link to a PayPal.

697
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:41,560
Cause in a link to a Patreon to way for listeners to send money to the podcaster, obviously

698
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,160
to help them keep going.

699
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,760
And what, whatever means possible, we'll get a little deeper into that when we get into

700
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,560
value for value and why some of that is important.

701
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,440
Next is chapters.

702
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,440
We actually have chapters set up on episode one right now.

703
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:03,000
I still need to work on episode two and we'll work on this one.

704
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,480
Chapters I really like.

705
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,160
You can break your show apart for whatever you're talking about.

706
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,640
What I really enjoy about chapters is the ability to introduce artwork.

707
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,240
So when a chapter changes, the artwork changes in the player.

708
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:23,160
Now in order to take advantage of that, you have to have a podcasting 2.0 enabled app.

709
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,880
Standard apps are not going to support the tag.

710
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,440
It's not going to work.

711
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,360
What's really nice is depending upon what app you're using, it's compatible with Apple

712
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,360
carplay.

713
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,520
It's Apple with Google, um, Lincoln on their car stuff.

714
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:42,200
But anyways, it can work with your car's audio system and you can actually see, thank you.

715
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Android auto should have known that since I use an Android.

716
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,960
So you can actually see on, if you have the screen in your, in your car, you can actually,

717
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,760
the app will work through that.

718
00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:00,360
You can actually see the artwork changing there as the show is going.

719
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,600
And you can, you can chop the chapters up all you want.

720
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,680
So you, if you're still technically talking about the same thing, but you want to change

721
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,520
the pictures constantly for what you're doing, you can totally do it.

722
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,600
It just depends on how much time and effort you want to put into it.

723
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:21,920
Um, I've heard, I haven't tested it that you could even potentially use a GIF.

724
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,680
Some people may call that a GIF, um, with that art, we'll have to try to try that and

725
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,880
make sure we don't potentially blow people's podcast apps up.

726
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,760
So totally love chapters.

727
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,280
It's also now I don't like this, but I could, I want people to actually listen to a show,

728
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,280
but chapters is actually a way to jump ahead if you want it to.

729
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,280
I'm not saying that you should do it, but you can't.

730
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,200
I would say instead of that, I would say it's a, it's an easy way to find the part of the

731
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,440
show that you wanted somebody else to hear because they were talking about something

732
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,600
after you've listened to the whole show.

733
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Sure.

734
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,360
Well, there's actually a tag coming up for that, but we'll, we'll, we'll get there.

735
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,040
Uh, so the next tag is person tag.

736
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,920
Again, this is just about being able to say, this is the host of the show.

737
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,240
This is the different hosts of the show.

738
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:14,480
These are the guests who were on the show.

739
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:21,920
So you can actually go into podcast index.org or some other podcasting 2.0 compliant index

740
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,480
and actually searched by a person's name.

741
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:31,600
And now you can see every podcast they're either a part of or an episode of a given

742
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,760
podcast they went on.

743
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,680
If they're using the person tag.

744
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,680
Yeah.

745
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,680
Kind of nice.

746
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,640
That's really nice.

747
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,780
Next is season slash episode.

748
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:44,680
It's kind of been around for a little while.

749
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,160
Uh, but again, if you have, if you're doing seasons in those seasons of episodes, you

750
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,320
can totally throw that in as a tag.

751
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:58,480
You don't necessarily now have to type that out in your RSS trailer tag.

752
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,760
Uh, again, pretty straightforward.

753
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,080
This is the lead in trailer for our new podcast and put that out there.

754
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Uh, license tag that gets into creative commons and other copyright you could have out there

755
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:20,680
value tag is where reusing like somebody else's music for, uh, no, I think, I actually, I

756
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:26,080
think the intent behind the license tag is really you protecting your content and it's

757
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,120
copyright to you.

758
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:36,280
And you can say, Hey, this is available under creative commons or some other open public

759
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,880
copyright system, not the traditional copyright system.

760
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,600
So you could go, you could go that way as well.

761
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,600
Yeah.

762
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,020
Uh, so then you get into value tag.

763
00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:49,200
This gets really interesting and we'll play in a little bit more into value for value.

764
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:57,480
The value tag actually introduces the ability for you to pay the podcaster in such a way

765
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:02,760
that it circumvents other people getting a chunk of the money, so to speak.

766
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:09,560
So like if you use PayPal, uh, or if you use Patreon, they're taking a fairly good chunk

767
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,280
depending upon how much money you're potentially taking in.

768
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,280
Yeah.

769
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:20,520
So with the value tag, now you can introduce Bitcoin or the lightning network, which is

770
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:29,680
a subsection of Bitcoin or any other potential, um, alternative way of paying people to be

771
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,440
able to pay direct to the podcaster or some of the new things that's coming.

772
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:41,640
And we'll get into some of that in a little bit is to pay direct to a music artist or

773
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:48,680
a potential audio book person, or even the potential for a documentary or a movie that's

774
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,720
being released value for value.

775
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,160
Um, alternative enclosure.

776
00:45:54,160 --> 00:46:02,000
This gets into, um, moving just beyond podcasting, you know, getting into really think for that

777
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,000
think of video.

778
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:10,480
Um, so again, I have a documentary or I have a movie and now with the alternate enclosure,

779
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,800
I can say, here's where to go to get the 480.

780
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,820
Here's where to go to get the 720.

781
00:46:15,820 --> 00:46:19,760
Here's where to go to get the full HD, the 4k, so on.

782
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,200
Because ultimately these people hosting this or if they're self hosting bandwidth still

783
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,200
costs.

784
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,880
So it gives them the ability to say, Hey, go here.

785
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,120
You can still get it without breaking the bank.

786
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,480
Uh, location tag, our bank, yeah.

787
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,840
Breaking our bank location.

788
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,400
Pretty straightforward.

789
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,440
Where are you at when you're recording this?

790
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,320
We're using this with rss.com.

791
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,400
Obviously if you search for location, Tyler, Texas, you're going to find us.

792
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,320
They introduced their own version of the good.

793
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:56,400
So that do it is unique to the podcast index, but they also allow for you to link that to

794
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,320
your Apple good as well.

795
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,920
So you can have, you can have both.

796
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:04,920
Yeah.

797
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:10,480
A medium tag that kind of gets into, is it audio?

798
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,920
Is it music?

799
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:17,040
Is it an audio book movie, whatever it may be?

800
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,280
Images is if you want to have images, particularly in the chapters, the image tag will allow

801
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,240
you to say, here's the image.

802
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:25,240
Here's where it at.

803
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,320
Here's the format that it's in.

804
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,960
Here's the size.

805
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:35,560
The live tag is really interesting and this is a new growing thing in the podcasting 2.0

806
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,520
group is you actually can set the live tag.

807
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:44,300
And so if again, if you have a podcasting 2.0 app, they go live, you get a notification

808
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:45,800
in your app that, Hey, they're live.

809
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,780
They're doing a show right now.

810
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:52,960
You can tap on that notification and go right to the live stream right there.

811
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,340
Really, really cool.

812
00:47:55,340 --> 00:47:56,340
Really cool.

813
00:47:56,340 --> 00:47:57,340
As they're, as they're recording it.

814
00:47:57,340 --> 00:48:01,080
Yes, as they're literally recording it, you're listening live.

815
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,680
So obviously if you listen live, you may hear some pieces that aren't in the final product,

816
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,840
depending on what kind of post-production they do.

817
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,840
Yeah.

818
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,160
No, that's for sure.

819
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,160
You wouldn't hear that.

820
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,840
We just had a break in the middle of this because of a coughing fit.

821
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:15,840
Correct.

822
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,840
Correct.

823
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:22,560
So social interact that gets into comments is how I would describe that.

824
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,240
You can link.

825
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:29,320
So what they're, what they're leveraging right now is Mastodon, which is kind of what Twitter

826
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,560
was before Twitter introduced the algo.

827
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,040
So it's literally just a time.

828
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:40,220
Mastodon is that's well, I'm playing in a different, different pool of things.

829
00:48:40,220 --> 00:48:41,760
So you definitely are.

830
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:42,760
Yeah.

831
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,360
So a lot of this comes from Adam Curry, no agenda.

832
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,640
So Mastodon, if you remember the old days of Twitter, there was no algo to say, Hey,

833
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,760
we actually think you would like this because you said this, it was literally just a timeline

834
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,920
and you could scroll through that timeline feed and see things.

835
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,960
That's basically what Mastodon is.

836
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:09,720
It's Twitter minus the algo that feeds the vitriol or the hate or whatever it is that

837
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,640
it's feeding to you.

838
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,400
So you take a post on Mastodon and then you link that to a given episode.

839
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:26,640
And now anything that gets attached or responds to that post on Mastodon now becomes comments

840
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,280
to that podcast.

841
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,400
And the beauty of it is now this can go across applications again, that support podcasting

842
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,880
2.0 tags.

843
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,880
So I can open up fountain as an example of an app, see the comments.

844
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,680
I could open up Curio caster, see those exact same comments.

845
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,800
I can post in from one app and see it show up on the other app.

846
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,800
So very similar to the way comments work in YouTube.

847
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,360
Wow.

848
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,360
Very interesting.

849
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,840
That's just one, I mean, that's just one medium provider.

850
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,880
Like you're talking about different apps being able to see the same content and, and not

851
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,160
just the same content, but the same reaction to that content.

852
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:19,120
And that reaction being not just a nice show, like an actual comment, conversation about

853
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,120
it.

854
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,120
Correct.

855
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,120
That's intense.

856
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,000
It's that's, that's an interesting one.

857
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:32,280
TXT, they had to introduce this because they, for whatever reason, everybody decided having

858
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,680
your email in your RSS feed was irrelevant.

859
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,280
I don't know why they came to that conclusion.

860
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,600
So the TXT is a way to reintroduce your email.

861
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:51,640
So they, again, you can do proof of ownership of your RSS feed because they strip that out.

862
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,960
Again, this gets back to Apple and they're kind of in control and they're the behemoth

863
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,960
and whatever they say, people fall in line.

864
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:04,500
So not trying to bash Apple in this case, but that's, no, no, no.

865
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,360
Other times I am absolutely, but not in this case.

866
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,360
So they come up with a TXT tag and there's other things you can do with it, but that's

867
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,400
the most common one.

868
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,340
We're going to reintroduce our email address.

869
00:51:15,340 --> 00:51:16,480
You can now confirm it.

870
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,480
You send it.

871
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,480
I respond.

872
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,840
You know, I know own this remote item is a fairly new one.

873
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,580
That gets interesting.

874
00:51:24,580 --> 00:51:30,200
So that you can actually call literally a remote feed.

875
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:38,160
You could recall a remote image, a remote MP3, whatever it is, and pull that into the

876
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,280
feed.

877
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:47,080
This gets really intriguing around doing music because I don't necessarily have the file

878
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,080
local.

879
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,080
Interesting.

880
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:57,740
Now I can call it remote where it's hosted and it gets fed into the feed.

881
00:51:57,740 --> 00:52:00,800
So there's a lot that you could potentially do with that.

882
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,800
That'd be interesting because it would have to be something that like, I mean, you can't

883
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,520
just do that with Apple music because that person would have to have, whoever's listening

884
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,040
to it would have to have a subscription on things like that.

885
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,160
Apple's not going to let you do that.

886
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:21,520
So again, caveat to this is you probably have to self-host in order for this ultimately

887
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:22,520
to be useful.

888
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,800
But again, it's an intriguing tag.

889
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,960
Frequency, really nothing to say about that.

890
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,960
That's pretty straightforward.

891
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:34,800
Pod ping is fairly new.

892
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,520
I probably should have read a little bit more of this to be able to explain it.

893
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,400
The general thing, going back to the beginning with Apple talking about we're carbon neutral,

894
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,400
carbon neutral.

895
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,680
If they really want to be carbon neutral, they will leverage pod ping because the current

896
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,920
way that it works is all these applications and all these phones and all these apps are

897
00:52:52,920 --> 00:53:00,800
constantly checking and checking and checking and checking, utilizing CPU cycles, electricity

898
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,200
to whole nine.

899
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,480
Instead, you let pod ping take care of that.

900
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,520
One person is checking those feeds and then they send a notification to the app.

901
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,520
Nice.

902
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:20,500
You cut down on all the so-called carbon and you're more carbon neutral.

903
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:21,600
Every little bit helps.

904
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,960
If you're listening, Apple, you should introduce this.

905
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,640
That's an interesting idea.

906
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:26,640
Yes.

907
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:34,440
The last one, this gets into what's happening around music and that is the value time split.

908
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:41,560
I've heard it recently referred to as wallet switching technology, which makes it sound

909
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,680
fancy and cool.

910
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,160
Literally what this is doing, and this is getting into where podcasting 2.0 is going

911
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:57,400
and really kind of gets me excited and gets me rolling is this is being leveraged currently

912
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,400
for music.

913
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,800
Adam Curry, I'm saying his name again, does a new show.

914
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,160
I think they're like six episodes in called the Booster Grand Ball.

915
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,840
He is playing music from independent artists.

916
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,360
You told me about this.

917
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,360
Yes.

918
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,360
He's pulling from Wave Lake.

919
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,840
I think he pulls from Ellen Beats.

920
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:28,320
There's one other, I don't remember SoundCloud maybe is the other one that supports this.

921
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,240
He is literally doing a live podcast.

922
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:38,560
So the live tag, you can listen in live to the music that he's playing, him being a radio

923
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,480
DJ pre MTV.

924
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,000
This is his bread and butter.

925
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,120
This is what he grew up on.

926
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,800
He did pirate radio when he was in the Netherlands.

927
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,320
So this is really him back in his element.

928
00:54:51,320 --> 00:55:00,360
He's able to put on basically a live radio show, but he's calling these songs that are

929
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,080
hosted someplace else.

930
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:09,760
So with that, when he's not pulling out a disc from his library, no disc, no record,

931
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,080
no eight track, no nothing.

932
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,480
So the DJ is used to.

933
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,480
Yes.

934
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:22,240
So live on the fly, he is calling a show and what's happening live, now he's actually manipulating

935
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:23,240
this behind the scenes.

936
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:28,200
I don't want to make it sound like it's automatic, but he starts a track from a musician and

937
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:34,240
immediately any potential streaming, sat, Satoshi's, this gets into the lightning and

938
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:41,200
Bitcoin that we're going to the podcast are redirected now to the music artist.

939
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,200
That's pretty cool.

940
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,200
Yes.

941
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,640
So you can use boosts, which is called a boost to gram.

942
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:51,160
Think of that as, um, why don't they call that on YouTube where you can send a dollar

943
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,160
amount with a comment.

944
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,280
Um, they don't usually do that on YouTube.

945
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,720
They do it on like Twitch and yeah, Twitch has it.

946
00:55:58,720 --> 00:55:59,720
YouTube has it too.

947
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:00,800
It's like a super chat.

948
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,360
I think is what YouTube calls it.

949
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,960
Basically you can send a chunk of money with a comment.

950
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,840
So any boost to grams that happen while that music is playing again, that's going over

951
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,440
to the artist, which is amazing.

952
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,320
There is a, let me pull it up.

953
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,360
So I'm kind of getting this right.

954
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:30,400
There is a young girl right now who kind of exploded on the scenes, um, on wave Lake,

955
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,260
uh, Ainsley Costello.

956
00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:41,420
She released a song called cherry on top about the time that boosted grand ball started exploded.

957
00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:46,720
She was the first person on wave Lake to be able to get more than a million Satoshi's

958
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:48,760
for one song.

959
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:49,760
Dang.

960
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,720
That's now granted.

961
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:52,920
That's not a huge chunk of money.

962
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,880
I think that's in the ballpark of three to $400.

963
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:58,880
Yeah.

964
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,120
But that's, that's not the point.

965
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,120
Correct.

966
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,440
It's the fact that she got it.

967
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,200
No record labels, no middleman, no five.

968
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,200
Yes.

969
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,200
No, anybody.

970
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,320
So like right now she's at 1.1 million to toe.

971
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:18,920
She's just for the song cherry on top, very, um, poppy type of song.

972
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:19,920
Sure.

973
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:27,320
Um, so she got all, she got all of that while that song is playing streaming and boosts.

974
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,040
And then when the song is done, then it rolls back to him.

975
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,800
So he's paid for whatever he's speaking about.

976
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,760
He cuts to the next song.

977
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,800
He switches it to that artist and now that artist gets any money that's coming in.

978
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,220
That's pretty neat.

979
00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:42,220
It's a minute.

980
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:43,220
Good.

981
00:57:43,220 --> 00:57:45,220
Like you said, value for value.

982
00:57:45,220 --> 00:57:56,640
It's not a, uh, um, he's not inserting himself into the value of, um, playing something.

983
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:57,640
Correct.

984
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,320
And what I love about it, it is not the typical Apple says you can buy my song and it's worth

985
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:03,800
99 cents.

986
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,800
Yeah.

987
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,800
You now as the listener can say, I have to say that says to you, yes.

988
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,800
So the artists it's worth 13 cents.

989
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,400
Oh yeah.

990
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,440
They're getting next to nothing.

991
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:21,800
So going back to Ainsley, she had had her music out for three years on all the major

992
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,920
streaming.

993
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:32,040
She had made a total of $600 in that time in a matter of a handful of months doing value

994
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,560
for value.

995
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:38,680
She has made over $400.

996
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:39,680
That's pretty cool.

997
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:40,680
Yes.

998
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:41,680
It really, really, really is.

999
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,700
And so the, again, the heart of value for value is you're listening to a podcast.

1000
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:49,040
You could be listening to music.

1001
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:54,320
Eventually it could be some type of audio book or it could be a movie or a documentary

1002
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,840
or whatever it is.

1003
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:01,760
And you get to now give back what you see the value, not just the value that Apple or

1004
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,840
Google or whoever is saying.

1005
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,880
If you listen to that song and you're like, Hey, that song's worth five bucks.

1006
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,520
You send them five bucks.

1007
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,040
If you say that song is worth 30 bucks, you send them 30 bucks.

1008
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,320
It's up to you.

1009
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:21,640
Whatever value you're getting, you should give that value back.

1010
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:22,640
That's kind of the whole...

1011
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,520
You used to have to buy whole albums to be able to listen to one song.

1012
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:32,840
You'd spend 10 bucks on an album, but really you were spending 10 bucks on one song.

1013
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:33,840
Yeah.

1014
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,520
There's plenty of those that I bought an entire CD.

1015
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,000
Maybe two.

1016
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,000
Yeah.

1017
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,640
And there was one good song and that's it.

1018
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,440
The rest of the CD was just trash.

1019
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,880
So this is amazing.

1020
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,440
You can listen to...

1021
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,800
They basically have it all out there.

1022
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,440
You can listen along.

1023
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,600
You can be streaming or you can send Boost or however you want to do it.

1024
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,680
And again, this is all wrapped in the Podcasting 2.0.

1025
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:08,800
If you're not using a Podcasting 2.0 app on your phone or a web-based app, you're not

1026
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,680
going to be able to take advantage of any of this.

1027
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:17,040
I encourage anybody out there who doesn't have it, go get a Podcasting 2.0 enabled app.

1028
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,240
There's a bunch.

1029
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,360
I'm not getting paid to tell people to go do this.

1030
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:22,540
We're not.

1031
01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:23,540
New Podcasting...

1032
01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:24,540
Is it new?

1033
01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:27,540
Well, they recently changed it.

1034
01:00:27,540 --> 01:00:30,240
New...

1035
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,240
You sent me a whole list.

1036
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,240
We can put some...

1037
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,960
We're going to tag this show with some of these details.

1038
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:42,400
If you go to newpodcastapps.com, that will take you to more than just apps.

1039
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,940
You can see hosting companies and everything else.

1040
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:48,640
And so when you and I were going back and forth and I was telling you, hey, I'm looking

1041
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,600
at all these different hosting companies, this is where I was going and setting these

1042
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:53,600
filters.

1043
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:59,280
So I was choosing Hosting and going, okay, what do these hosts do?

1044
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,400
So we're using RSS.com.

1045
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:04,880
We looked at Blueberry.

1046
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,320
We looked at Captivate.

1047
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,640
We looked at RSS Blue.

1048
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,720
Yeah, we looked at RSS Blue.

1049
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,320
All of those are great services.

1050
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,880
We settled on RSS.com.

1051
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,560
These apps are cross-platform.

1052
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,680
Some of them, some of them are unique to Apple.

1053
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,640
Some are unique to Android.

1054
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,840
They're web-based apps.

1055
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:32,000
So you can literally have a podcast app that's in the browser.

1056
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,200
You can do all your subscriptions there, whatever you want to do.

1057
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,100
And it's all out of the browser.

1058
01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:38,360
That can work on your computer.

1059
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,480
That could even work in the browser on your mobile device.

1060
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:47,040
It's not unique to just your computer.

1061
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:52,480
So I like, and this again is Android, iOS.

1062
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,720
I would suggest people go check out Fountain.

1063
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:02,520
The nice thing about Fountain is you can actually earn free Satoshis just for listening to shows.

1064
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:09,440
And then you can then take those free Satoshis and then pass them on to your favorite podcaster.

1065
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,120
Maybe it's Bering Gear.

1066
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,960
We can listen to those over our way.

1067
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:13,960
That would be nice.

1068
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:14,960
Yes.

1069
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,760
So I encourage people to go here.

1070
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:18,760
Check it out.

1071
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:19,760
Fountain podcasts.

1072
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:20,760
Yes.

1073
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,240
So again, I love where podcasting is going.

1074
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,680
I love what Podcasting 2.0 is doing.

1075
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,240
At least somebody's trying.

1076
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,240
Yeah.

1077
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,800
I mean, there's a lot of ethics involved in all of this that we haven't been able to talk

1078
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:34,800
that much about.

1079
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,440
Because this, I mean, this was, this episode was drinking out of a fire hose for sure.

1080
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,440
Yes.

1081
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:44,120
And I think the drive behind so much of it is the, again, ethics of it.

1082
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:50,840
Like how do we, how do we do this without the sleaziness of what it can turn into?

1083
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:51,840
Yes.

1084
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:57,080
And then let me ask you, John, have you had a chance to look at some of the things unique

1085
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:58,480
to our show?

1086
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,880
Like the chapters that are up for the first episode?

1087
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,480
Or have you even attempted to take a peek at that?

1088
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,480
Not yet.

1089
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,800
No, I haven't even, I haven't even gotten to look at it.

1090
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,560
Because I was sick for like all of this past week.

1091
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,040
I mean, I still am not a hundred percent.

1092
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:22,240
But we've, there's been, you know, family stuff and work stuff.

1093
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:26,920
And then also being sick, not, not helpful for even us being able to get together to

1094
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,240
have this third episode.

1095
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,240
Okay.

1096
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,560
I plan on it.

1097
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:32,560
That's going to be great.

1098
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:39,160
So if anybody out there has an existing podcasting 2.0 app, you go right now, episode one has

1099
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,160
chapters.

1100
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,360
You'll see the images change.

1101
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:47,200
You know, it leads in with the show.

1102
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,600
It's got our, our, our logo.

1103
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,320
And then it switches to the various beers that we were talking about.

1104
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,040
You can see images from those.

1105
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,040
And then as we were kind of going through, I even found an image to throw out there for

1106
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,520
the 3.2 beer that you discussed.

1107
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,520
Really?

1108
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:04,520
Yes.

1109
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,560
And it kind of talks a little about, I don't know how well it's going to show up in a podcast

1110
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:12,600
app, but it's referencing 3.3.2 beer.

1111
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,680
And then we talked about it.

1112
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,560
Look at that.

1113
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,600
Are you looking at it now?

1114
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:24,040
So I just download fountain because I had the one that I had downloaded before was

1115
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:32,760
Testimony, no, it doesn't have the name on it.

1116
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,760
It's throwing me off.

1117
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:36,760
Shoot.

1118
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:37,760
Fathom.

1119
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:45,800
I don't know that what I was trying to use and fathom.

1120
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,960
It's on the list of ones, but it didn't have our podcast on it.

1121
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,200
So I was, I was trying to find a new one.

1122
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,200
Okay.

1123
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,200
So I'm going to put a fountain on here.

1124
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,200
That's the one I'm going to use.

1125
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,200
But you can freeze it.

1126
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:58,200
Fountain.

1127
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:05,280
I just, I just saw our podcast and that it has the new, the new logo.

1128
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,280
Yeah, that's right.

1129
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,800
The new show art show art.

1130
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:10,800
Yes.

1131
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,200
And then sub to that, you can have different for each episode.

1132
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,320
And if you notice, there is technically a slight variation between episode one and episode

1133
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:19,320
two.

1134
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:20,320
Yeah.

1135
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,360
So Jen is the gray background episode two has the white background.

1136
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,480
But then you can look at those, those chapters.

1137
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:31,960
And so I've got, we talked about, talked about the show.

1138
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:37,640
So I've got Jen and everybody sitting on the couch to that reference.

1139
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,360
I found a random chair for like the feelings chair segment that we talked about.

1140
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:46,240
When we talked about specific gear, I threw some images out of the gear that we were talking

1141
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,240
about.

1142
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,240
We talked about the feelings chair.

1143
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:49,240
Yeah.

1144
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,880
And then we referenced clean feed.

1145
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,280
Now that's out there.

1146
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,280
We talked about Dennis Miller.

1147
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,320
I grabbed an image of Dennis Miller.

1148
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,760
We briefly talked about podcasting 2.0 and then that's actually a picture of Adam Curry

1149
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:01,760
current.

1150
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:08,200
So, um, chapter still to come for episode two and obviously for, for this episode, once

1151
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:09,880
it kind of gets out there.

1152
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:16,280
Um, I, I enjoy this when I'm on a road trip and I'm watching, I'm watching this change

1153
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,320
on screen while I'm listening.

1154
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:19,320
Right.

1155
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:24,480
It's, it's almost like you were watching, you know, people doing it, but no, where this

1156
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,960
is just the information that they're giving us about what they're talking about.

1157
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:28,960
Yes.

1158
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:29,960
Yes.

1159
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,280
So, um, and then one other thing, let me see if I can get to it real quick.

1160
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,600
Cause I know we probably need to be wrapping this.

1161
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:36,600
That's fine.

1162
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,760
Um, in fact, you actually want to go along with me here.

1163
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,760
Log into RSS.com.

1164
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,960
Going ours, log into ours.

1165
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:46,960
Yes.

1166
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:47,960
Log into ours.

1167
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,680
Oh, apparently I can't type.

1168
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,280
Can't type, can't spell.

1169
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:53,280
Blame the beer.

1170
01:06:53,280 --> 01:07:00,680
I don't think you can blame it just yet.

1171
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,560
I mean, unless you've had more than one.

1172
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,840
I've had two, but I wouldn't think that that would make me unable to type.

1173
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,400
There we go.

1174
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,600
You just never know.

1175
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:12,600
Okay.

1176
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,280
So are you logged in?

1177
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,280
Yeah.

1178
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:16,280
Okay.

1179
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:23,040
So you go up at the top, go to monetization and third section down, you'll see value for

1180
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,040
value value for value.

1181
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:29,800
And you'll see 35 stats, one, one boost to Graham.

1182
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,440
So you see where it says, visit Albie's website.

1183
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:33,800
Go ahead and click on that.

1184
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:34,800
Yeah.

1185
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,960
And you can see that I sent it.

1186
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,200
I sent this as a, as a test to make sure it was working.

1187
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,920
And then out to the right, you've got the little carrot pointing down.

1188
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:50,360
If you click on that, it expands and you can see the details.

1189
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:55,600
But more importantly is you can see the note and the note says, love the show.

1190
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:56,600
Keep it up.

1191
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:57,600
Nice.

1192
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:02,720
So that, again, this gets into the interactivity of podcasting.

1193
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,800
Now we're not doing live, so we can't respond to you live, but if we were live, we could

1194
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:08,800
be seeing these.

1195
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,920
I'm not saying it's not happening in the future.

1196
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:11,920
Sure.

1197
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:17,560
But what I would encourage folks, if you want your name called out, this is a way.

1198
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:18,560
This is a way.

1199
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,000
Send us a boost to Graham and we'll read it.

1200
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:29,000
Now don't write us more in peace, but this is a way to say encouragement or to say, Hey,

1201
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,240
I don't like you covering that.

1202
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,240
Whatever it may be.

1203
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,240
It's encouragement.

1204
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,240
Yes.

1205
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:35,240
Encouragement.

1206
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,640
So this is a way again, through podcasting 2.0 for the listener to interact with the

1207
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,560
podcaster that changes everything.

1208
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,120
And if you're doing a, you can imagine being in a live show, these things are hitting you

1209
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,140
live in the middle of the show.

1210
01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:55,360
You see it come in and you can now react in real time to that listener and they get to

1211
01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:00,840
hear that basically from their end, which is almost real time interaction coming back

1212
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:06,520
from the podcaster starts to make podcasting very interactive, which completely changes

1213
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,920
the nature of what podcasting has always been.

1214
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:10,920
Absolutely.

1215
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,760
I mean, actually live interaction.

1216
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,960
That's a big deal.

1217
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:16,960
Correct.

1218
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,240
And then we have the ability to actually determine the splits.

1219
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:22,520
That's something that we didn't talk about well ago.

1220
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:23,520
I know we're getting long.

1221
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:24,520
We'll try to wrap this up.

1222
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:25,520
You gotta stop saying that.

1223
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:26,520
Yeah.

1224
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:27,520
Yeah.

1225
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:32,360
I know it's going to mess me up because the last time, last couple of the first episode,

1226
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:33,360
we kind of made it clear.

1227
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,640
We were wrapping up so I was able to label it last call.

1228
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:41,160
So, so you can actually set the split when it comes in right now.

1229
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:45,200
We keep 95%, 5% goes to RSS.com.

1230
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:50,480
We can set up our own wallets and say, percentage goes to you.

1231
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:51,480
Percentage goes to me.

1232
01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:52,760
Percentage stays for the show.

1233
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:53,760
Yeah.

1234
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,680
Or however we want to break that up and you can now spread this out.

1235
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,000
So this is obviously huge for, for music.

1236
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:06,400
You have multiple artists when those Satoshis come in, this percentage to the singer, this

1237
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,120
percentage to the guitars, the drummer, the bass, whatever it may be.

1238
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,000
So the drummers always get less.

1239
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,000
It's just the way that it is.

1240
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:19,000
I would love to see the drummers at least get an equal split to everybody else.

1241
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,000
That's just not going to happen.

1242
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,440
Ringo kind of messed it up for all of us.

1243
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:26,800
So I have a whole ton more of what we need to stop.

1244
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:27,800
I know we're running long.

1245
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,240
Cause there's plenty of content for future shows.

1246
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:37,880
Plenty of content and also like, man, we're going to have to debrief this one just by

1247
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,800
itself because that's, that has, it has been a lot of information for sure.

1248
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,600
I've been along for the ride.

1249
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:46,600
Yeah.

1250
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,280
So I love this.

1251
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,400
I love what they're doing.

1252
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,960
I would love to see it grow.

1253
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,960
Love to see it take off.

1254
01:10:54,960 --> 01:11:01,720
And, you know, a lot of the, the big players in the market that hold back music artists

1255
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,440
or hold back podcasters in general.

1256
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:11,680
This is an opportunity to circumvent all those people in the middle and people actually get

1257
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,480
better value for what they're, what they're putting out there.

1258
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,520
I love it.

1259
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:17,520
That's fantastic.

1260
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:18,520
Yes.

1261
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,520
All right.

1262
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:20,520
Thanks for hanging out with me.

1263
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:21,520
Yeah.

1264
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:22,520
Thank you for going along.

1265
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:23,520
Having a beer.

1266
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:24,520
Yeah.

1267
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:30,440
I need to get a refrigerator here next to me for these long shows so that I can just keep

1268
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:31,440
pulling them out.

1269
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:32,440
Yeah.

1270
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:39,240
That, that second one was a little, a little warm, but, but good.

1271
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,080
Maybe in future shows I can send my, my wife a text and she can slip me a cold one.

1272
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,760
There you go.

1273
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,240
She would do it for sure.

1274
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:48,240
Yeah.

1275
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:49,240
Enjoyed it.

1276
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,840
I was glad to share some of this.

1277
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,040
Absolutely.

1278
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:59,840
So we're not necessarily a value for, I mean, I guess we technically are, we're set up a

1279
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,720
value for value podcast.

1280
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,800
So throw a jink, throw this out real quick.

1281
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:09,880
If you got any value from this show and you happen to have a podcasting 2.0 app, this

1282
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,400
is a great way for you to throw back value.

1283
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,920
You send us a Boostergram.

1284
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,040
I'll gladly read it out on the show.

1285
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,040
I love it.

1286
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,040
So, all right.

1287
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,040
Enjoyed it, John.

1288
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,040
Thanks brother.

1289
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,040
All right.

1290
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,040
See you next time.

1291
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,040
All right.

1292
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:53,040
Thanks.