1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,860 Hey, guys! 2 00:00:20,860 --> 00:00:35,420 Hey guys, welcome to the second installment of Beers and Gear. 3 00:00:35,420 --> 00:00:36,420 Beer and Gear? 4 00:00:36,420 --> 00:00:39,300 Oh, I gotta get that right. 5 00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:42,300 It is Beer and Gear. 6 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:43,300 Beer and Gear. 7 00:00:43,300 --> 00:00:46,300 I'm about to pop my tab. 8 00:00:46,300 --> 00:00:49,580 Oh, what are we drinking? 9 00:00:49,580 --> 00:00:52,220 Okay, so I am drinking a new one. 10 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:56,180 This is Four Sixes, Grit and Glory. 11 00:00:56,180 --> 00:01:05,100 So for any of my people out there that have watched any of the Yellowstone, you know what 12 00:01:05,100 --> 00:01:06,100 I'm talking about, Chris? 13 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:07,100 Yellowstone? 14 00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:09,180 I know the show, I've never watched it. 15 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:10,180 Okay. 16 00:01:10,180 --> 00:01:17,260 There's a, so it's, Yellowstone's about a ranch in Yellowstone in Montana. 17 00:01:17,260 --> 00:01:25,380 And but they reference a ranch in Texas called Four Sixes a lot, and so I'm guessing this 18 00:01:25,380 --> 00:01:27,420 has something to do with that. 19 00:01:27,420 --> 00:01:28,420 Okay. 20 00:01:28,420 --> 00:01:30,420 But first try, so we're gonna see. 21 00:01:30,420 --> 00:01:31,420 All right. 22 00:01:31,420 --> 00:01:35,740 Well, I wanted the Founders breakfast out. 23 00:01:35,740 --> 00:01:36,740 Yeah. 24 00:01:36,740 --> 00:01:39,380 But apparently Fresh no longer carries it. 25 00:01:39,380 --> 00:01:42,940 Well, that could be a seasonal thing. 26 00:01:42,940 --> 00:01:43,940 Perhaps. 27 00:01:43,940 --> 00:01:47,580 They didn't, in fact, they didn't have anything from Founders. 28 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:51,020 So I went back to what we had the last week. 29 00:01:51,020 --> 00:01:53,100 So I have a Modelo Negro. 30 00:01:53,100 --> 00:01:54,100 Oh, okay. 31 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:55,100 Nice. 32 00:01:55,100 --> 00:02:00,220 I've still got some of those left over. 33 00:02:00,220 --> 00:02:04,900 This is a, this is an Amber logger, which is kind of what I trend towards, to be honest 34 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:06,900 with you. 35 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:11,500 Not quite as dark, but also not a Corona. 36 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:12,500 True. 37 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:13,500 True. 38 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:17,500 So this is dark enough for me. 39 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:23,540 The one that I wanted the breakfast out is actually a, well, they call it a double chocolate 40 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:25,940 coffee oatmeal stout. 41 00:02:25,940 --> 00:02:28,940 That makes it sound really kind of. 42 00:02:28,940 --> 00:02:29,940 Frufru. 43 00:02:29,940 --> 00:02:31,660 Frufru, but it's not. 44 00:02:31,660 --> 00:02:32,660 Yeah. 45 00:02:32,660 --> 00:02:33,660 I've had them. 46 00:02:33,660 --> 00:02:34,660 They're Scotch ales. 47 00:02:34,660 --> 00:02:37,500 Founders is all Scotch ales, I think. 48 00:02:37,500 --> 00:02:40,660 And holy cow. 49 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:54,140 My favorite Scotch ale though is still Old Chub by a brewery in Colorado called Oscar 50 00:02:54,140 --> 00:02:55,140 Blues. 51 00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:58,580 Have you ever had Old Chub? 52 00:02:58,580 --> 00:02:59,580 I have not. 53 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:00,580 Okay. 54 00:03:00,580 --> 00:03:01,580 We need to make that happen. 55 00:03:01,580 --> 00:03:04,940 That'll be one of the, one of these days that we're in the same place recording. 56 00:03:04,940 --> 00:03:05,940 Okay. 57 00:03:05,940 --> 00:03:09,540 We'll have to do that because I really enjoy it. 58 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:11,740 It's very smooth. 59 00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:12,740 Yeah. 60 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:17,300 Well, that's some beer talk. 61 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:19,340 Yes it is. 62 00:03:19,340 --> 00:03:29,780 Thought maybe for this episode of Beer and Gear, we could talk about kind of our thoughts 63 00:03:29,780 --> 00:03:31,540 on post COVID. 64 00:03:31,540 --> 00:03:41,340 I don't know if you want to say it's a technology boom necessarily, but like it was a boom for 65 00:03:41,340 --> 00:03:42,340 zoom. 66 00:03:42,340 --> 00:03:43,700 It was a boom for zoom. 67 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:45,300 It's a boom for a lot of things. 68 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:46,300 There's only a few. 69 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:48,820 I was trying to think through this the other day. 70 00:03:48,820 --> 00:03:55,420 There may have only been one technology area that I could think of at the time that had 71 00:03:55,420 --> 00:03:59,060 really suffered because of it. 72 00:03:59,060 --> 00:04:08,380 But so many things just kind of blew up and then became, you know, everybody needs this. 73 00:04:08,380 --> 00:04:13,300 Everybody's, I mean, the whole reason that we're doing this podcast the way that we are 74 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:23,220 is I think thanks to 2020, actually using a site called Clean Feed right now. 75 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:30,340 I'm not sure Clean Feed had much of a purpose before all of this happened. 76 00:04:30,340 --> 00:04:33,580 Because you know, you would just always go to wherever you were supposed to be with whoever 77 00:04:33,580 --> 00:04:36,060 you're supposed to be there with. 78 00:04:36,060 --> 00:04:45,260 Everything remote is the word I'm looking for. 79 00:04:45,260 --> 00:04:47,060 Remote is the hot thing. 80 00:04:47,060 --> 00:04:48,620 Yeah. 81 00:04:48,620 --> 00:04:54,860 It's way more, way more sexy than it used to be. 82 00:04:54,860 --> 00:04:58,060 Yeah, it's definitely far more accepted than it was. 83 00:04:58,060 --> 00:04:59,220 Yeah, there you go. 84 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:02,300 That's another good use for this. 85 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:05,300 You could call that digital adoption. 86 00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:06,780 Digital adoption. 87 00:05:06,780 --> 00:05:17,020 Yeah, so I guess the first thing that I had in mind to talk about was just like network 88 00:05:17,020 --> 00:05:21,900 gear. 89 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:29,780 You know, I could be wrong about this because you know, we are and you know, a lot of our 90 00:05:29,780 --> 00:05:39,660 friends are really into having networks at home that are safe and reliable and all of 91 00:05:39,660 --> 00:05:40,660 that. 92 00:05:40,660 --> 00:05:49,500 But it seems like again, after 2020, everybody at least, I don't know if they know more about 93 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:53,700 it or if they're just dangerous with it now. 94 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:58,060 There's way more of a market for that. 95 00:05:58,060 --> 00:06:01,060 Everybody wants everything really fast. 96 00:06:01,060 --> 00:06:03,940 Everybody's streaming everything on TV now. 97 00:06:03,940 --> 00:06:04,940 Yes. 98 00:06:04,940 --> 00:06:06,380 I mean, that was coming beforehand. 99 00:06:06,380 --> 00:06:13,900 I actually had switched to only streaming services in like 2017 or something like that 100 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:25,780 and stopped using any kind of cable or satellite provider. 101 00:06:25,780 --> 00:06:34,980 But since man, I mean, Disney Plus, Netflix has always been a thing that like, I guess 102 00:06:34,980 --> 00:06:38,380 Hulu was right on Netflix's tails. 103 00:06:38,380 --> 00:06:39,380 Yep. 104 00:06:39,380 --> 00:06:42,380 Now that's all Disney. 105 00:06:42,380 --> 00:06:45,420 Now that's all Disney. 106 00:06:45,420 --> 00:06:54,660 And then just the fact that everybody wants to be able to stream movies and TV whenever 107 00:06:54,660 --> 00:06:56,660 they want. 108 00:06:56,660 --> 00:06:58,220 Correct. 109 00:06:58,220 --> 00:07:04,300 Yeah, you can't be bored while you're sitting at home doing nothing, not working. 110 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:12,580 And then when you're stuck on old Northland cable, like I am, yeah, you get that amazing 111 00:07:12,580 --> 00:07:15,340 hundred meg down. 112 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:17,380 And that's as good as it gets. 113 00:07:17,380 --> 00:07:20,220 At least you're not listening to a dial up tone. 114 00:07:20,220 --> 00:07:23,180 No, I'm close, but I'm not there. 115 00:07:23,180 --> 00:07:27,300 And we're doing great if we get seven meg up. 116 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:34,780 And so you get a couple people hitting Netflix, somebody streaming some music, and then you 117 00:07:34,780 --> 00:07:40,380 want to look at some websites and everybody feels it. 118 00:07:40,380 --> 00:07:41,380 Yeah. 119 00:07:41,380 --> 00:07:42,380 Mercy. 120 00:07:42,380 --> 00:07:48,540 Yeah, there's only, I was going to say there's only so much that the really fancy network 121 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:52,300 gear can do when you have a limited connection like that. 122 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:53,460 Yeah. 123 00:07:53,460 --> 00:08:03,020 So internet service providers, ISPs, have a lot, like they've had to deal with a lot 124 00:08:03,020 --> 00:08:13,780 of demand, but then also at the other end, just inside of homes having faster modems 125 00:08:13,780 --> 00:08:19,020 and routers and network extenders and stuff like that. 126 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:24,900 I know that I never had two APs in my house and now I have three. 127 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:34,580 It's just kind of the nature of wanting everything to be connected really well and not wanting 128 00:08:34,580 --> 00:08:42,260 to have to, I mean, gosh, just thinking about it right now, I've got, right now I've got 129 00:08:42,260 --> 00:08:43,860 four adults in my house. 130 00:08:43,860 --> 00:08:52,100 And so that's, every adult has a computer and a phone and I have an iPad. 131 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:55,420 So that by itself is nine devices. 132 00:08:55,420 --> 00:09:02,820 And then the kids have tablets, like the little fires. 133 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:06,260 That's another, so that's 12 and then TVs. 134 00:09:06,260 --> 00:09:17,260 I mean, so you're looking at 15 ish devices real quick. 135 00:09:17,260 --> 00:09:22,620 That's more than that little Linksys AP could do. 136 00:09:22,620 --> 00:09:23,620 Oh yeah. 137 00:09:23,620 --> 00:09:24,620 Yeah. 138 00:09:24,620 --> 00:09:28,020 According to my Unifi, I have 17 devices on the network. 139 00:09:28,020 --> 00:09:30,020 17 devices. 140 00:09:30,020 --> 00:09:31,060 17. 141 00:09:31,060 --> 00:09:34,660 And I have one, two, three, four of them that are wired in. 142 00:09:34,660 --> 00:09:35,660 Mercy. 143 00:09:35,660 --> 00:09:38,420 So that means I've got... 144 00:09:38,420 --> 00:09:40,740 And there's only four of you. 145 00:09:40,740 --> 00:09:41,740 Yeah. 146 00:09:41,740 --> 00:09:42,740 Yeah. 147 00:09:42,740 --> 00:09:53,980 So the computer that I'm on is obviously wired in and then the the road caster is wired in. 148 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:58,500 And then I've got the other little computer running. 149 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:05,220 Start nine is my bit node and lightning code or node, I should say. 150 00:10:05,220 --> 00:10:08,620 Oh, and then my pie hole. 151 00:10:08,620 --> 00:10:09,620 I can't forget my pie hole. 152 00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:13,100 I've got that wired in along with a home assistant. 153 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:17,700 I mean, most people don't wire in their pie hole, Chris. 154 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:23,860 You got to detach that thing from the pie every once in a while. 155 00:10:23,860 --> 00:10:25,420 Wire steal king. 156 00:10:25,420 --> 00:10:26,420 Yeah. 157 00:10:26,420 --> 00:10:28,620 No, absolutely. 158 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:38,020 Again, everybody's looking for reliability and making sure that everything works. 159 00:10:38,020 --> 00:10:41,780 We use Ubiquiti. 160 00:10:41,780 --> 00:10:50,860 That's been one of those brands that has showed up in a burgeoning market. 161 00:10:50,860 --> 00:10:53,780 Can you say burgeoning for something like this? 162 00:10:53,780 --> 00:10:55,140 I think so. 163 00:10:55,140 --> 00:10:56,140 It... 164 00:10:56,140 --> 00:10:57,780 Sounds good anyways. 165 00:10:57,780 --> 00:11:11,780 Yeah, it really showed up as that feature rich but still cheap and so feature rich and 166 00:11:11,780 --> 00:11:19,100 reliable but still cost effective, I guess, and where it was sitting. 167 00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:29,980 And so Ubiquiti gives a lot of tools to the end user without costing Cisco prices. 168 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:30,980 Correct. 169 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:33,940 And there's no monthly, there's no reoccurring. 170 00:11:33,940 --> 00:11:36,820 Yeah, which is really good. 171 00:11:36,820 --> 00:11:38,860 So there's always a give and take with that. 172 00:11:38,860 --> 00:11:44,700 There's always going to be some, that didn't work exactly like I thought it would or whatever. 173 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:46,620 But I mean, I've really enjoyed it. 174 00:11:46,620 --> 00:11:56,100 I think the UI is pretty easy for somebody who's, I guess, prosumer. 175 00:11:56,100 --> 00:11:58,940 I don't really know what to classify myself as with that. 176 00:11:58,940 --> 00:12:07,380 I think prosumer, that's a good label for the UniFi line. 177 00:12:07,380 --> 00:12:12,820 And also not rolling in the dough. 178 00:12:12,820 --> 00:12:15,580 Or paying somebody else to do it. 179 00:12:15,580 --> 00:12:18,020 That's the other option, I guess. 180 00:12:18,020 --> 00:12:22,980 You got to do everything yourself. 181 00:12:22,980 --> 00:12:28,100 So yeah, like network gear has been affected pretty heavily. 182 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:31,100 Cameras, man. 183 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:34,740 Cameras are just... 184 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:43,260 I remember, like I used to watch vlogs that would talk about photography and stuff because 185 00:12:43,260 --> 00:12:44,540 I really like photography. 186 00:12:44,540 --> 00:12:48,300 I think photography is a really cool art. 187 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:54,180 My grandfather had kind of a photography knack, which I didn't know about until after he was 188 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:56,500 dead, which was very sad. 189 00:12:56,500 --> 00:13:09,140 But I got to see some of his old pictures and that was pretty cool. 190 00:13:09,140 --> 00:13:14,820 But so I was watching and I was trying to learn a lot on photography and then 2020 happens 191 00:13:14,820 --> 00:13:26,060 and everything becomes how to integrate with your computer. 192 00:13:26,060 --> 00:13:46,240 It's funny because it seems like there was less of an emphasis put on webcams. 193 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,380 Everybody wanted to go DSLR, everybody wanted to go... 194 00:13:51,380 --> 00:13:59,980 I think action cams started to upgrade their stuff real quickly because they were finding 195 00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:11,700 that for a real fast paced video, something like that was a fine optical setup with their 196 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:12,820 sensor and everything. 197 00:14:12,820 --> 00:14:24,100 But people are now using them for webcams and people were using them for... 198 00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:31,580 I don't know if you would call family vacations that weren't all action and things like that. 199 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:38,620 And so they started to upgrade, there started to be some competition in that with not only 200 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:48,780 GoPro doing it, but then DJI of course coming off of their drones and everything to actually 201 00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:55,940 do mobile cams. 202 00:14:55,940 --> 00:15:08,860 The other one was Insta360, turning the 360 cam into a super usable and affordable tool. 203 00:15:08,860 --> 00:15:12,020 Everything got kind of crazy. 204 00:15:12,020 --> 00:15:16,380 And then all the interfaces that came out that were like, hey, now you can plug your DSLR 205 00:15:16,380 --> 00:15:21,940 into your computer and now you can have this really high quality image. 206 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:33,020 I mean, even Apple with their latest stuff is coming out with using your phone camera 207 00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:34,340 connected to your computer. 208 00:15:34,340 --> 00:15:39,500 Did you see that on the keynote? 209 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:42,300 I've read, I didn't actually watch it. 210 00:15:42,300 --> 00:15:46,300 You didn't partake in the Apple keynote? 211 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:47,900 You know I never partake of those. 212 00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:48,900 What? 213 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:49,900 No. 214 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:53,740 In fairness, I don't partake of the Microsoft version either. 215 00:15:53,740 --> 00:16:03,060 I have actually, I watched a Microsoft one and the number of times the guy said flow 216 00:16:03,060 --> 00:16:05,540 about made me want to kill myself. 217 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:06,540 Yes. 218 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:07,540 You got to stay in your flow. 219 00:16:07,540 --> 00:16:09,140 You got to stay in your flow. 220 00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:10,740 It's very important that you flow. 221 00:16:10,740 --> 00:16:15,780 I didn't know that I had a flow, but evidently I have a flow and it's detrimental to my health 222 00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:18,020 to get out of my flow. 223 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:23,460 Another company who saw a lot of rise too with that was Elgato. 224 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:30,700 They've been doing a lot for YouTubers for a while, but that really also took off for 225 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:36,340 them with everybody doing everything remote and wanting a stream deck and all of those 226 00:16:36,340 --> 00:16:38,340 pieces of the puzzle. 227 00:16:38,340 --> 00:16:39,340 Yes, Twitch. 228 00:16:39,340 --> 00:16:44,820 I had no idea how big Twitch was before 2020. 229 00:16:44,820 --> 00:16:46,220 I knew that people were on it. 230 00:16:46,220 --> 00:16:56,340 Don't get me wrong, but then after 2020 it seemed like... I had friends that were playing 231 00:16:56,340 --> 00:16:58,460 trivia games with each other on Twitch. 232 00:16:58,460 --> 00:16:59,460 Yes. 233 00:16:59,460 --> 00:17:07,300 Again, use cases came flying out of this and people were realizing that they could use 234 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:13,260 all of this technology for things that they weren't immediately thinking, oh, this is 235 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:15,260 what this is for. 236 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:17,140 Elgato, huge. 237 00:17:17,140 --> 00:17:19,180 Elgato, huge. 238 00:17:19,180 --> 00:17:20,180 Yes. 239 00:17:20,180 --> 00:17:25,980 Yeah, we've used a couple of Elgato devices in the church. 240 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:33,020 I almost said flow. 241 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:43,620 The church process of cueing things in ProPresenter and things like that. 242 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:50,620 They came out with... Elgato came out with a couple of devices there after 2020 that 243 00:17:50,620 --> 00:17:58,420 were still the buttons and everything like that, but they also did... They did devices 244 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:08,220 that had knobs and everything could be customizable to be able to do workflows inside of Lightroom 245 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:14,540 or Photoshop or Premiere Pro. 246 00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:22,780 I guess we could use some of the other non-Adobe products, but those slip off of my brain really 247 00:18:22,780 --> 00:18:23,780 easily. 248 00:18:23,780 --> 00:18:24,780 Yeah. 249 00:18:24,780 --> 00:18:28,540 If the Elgato people are listening, I would love a chance to play around with the StreamDeck 250 00:18:28,540 --> 00:18:29,940 Plus. 251 00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:34,100 That is the one that has the... It's got like, I think, eight buttons and then it has 252 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:37,580 the four infinity knobs, so to speak. 253 00:18:37,580 --> 00:18:38,580 Infinity knobs. 254 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:39,580 Yeah. 255 00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:42,100 Love infinity knobs, whoever came up with that. 256 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:45,180 Great job not having an end to that. 257 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:53,020 If it's digital, why in the heck would you put a stopper on either end? 258 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:54,020 Exactly. 259 00:18:54,020 --> 00:18:55,020 Huge. 260 00:18:55,020 --> 00:19:06,540 There was another one that came out recently, or I don't know if it came out recently, but 261 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:07,580 it's not Elgato. 262 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:19,420 There was another company making Headway in that same sector of things, and I cannot remember. 263 00:19:19,420 --> 00:19:20,420 Loop Deck? 264 00:19:20,420 --> 00:19:21,420 Loop Deck. 265 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:24,580 It's spelled L-O-U-P-E, I believe. 266 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:28,300 Yeah, P-E, P-E, L-O-U-P-E. 267 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:30,740 Because they had... They're for the longest time. 268 00:19:30,740 --> 00:19:37,620 I had actually looked at their stuff beforehand because they had a photo editing console that 269 00:19:37,620 --> 00:19:50,940 was kind of... I mean, it was very much like a Lightroom or a Photoshop or whatever tool 270 00:19:50,940 --> 00:20:00,400 that it was almost like having a keyboard that had all the shortcuts already laid out 271 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,700 for you, but it had knobs and it had faders and different things like that. 272 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:13,580 But then fairly recently, Loop Deck came out with the live customizable streaming console. 273 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:22,540 They've got that little Loop Deck Plus and the... Gosh, what do they even call this? 274 00:20:22,540 --> 00:20:31,460 The Loop Deck CT, which I guess is just a creative tool. 275 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:34,620 Makes me think of CAT scan when I hear CT. 276 00:20:34,620 --> 00:20:36,420 Yeah, absolutely. 277 00:20:36,420 --> 00:20:43,140 Yeah, but these custom consoles that they've come out with are legit. 278 00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:46,700 Though they were in the space, I think, before Elgato, I think they definitely... You can 279 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:54,620 tell by the way that they did their customizable buttons and everything. 280 00:20:54,620 --> 00:21:01,780 That's heavily informed by the success of the Stream Deck and stuff like that. 281 00:21:01,780 --> 00:21:04,500 Yeah, I'm looking at the CT now. 282 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:07,300 That's pretty impressive. 283 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:12,420 I'm telling you, the CT is no joke. 284 00:21:12,420 --> 00:21:15,420 It's got a pretty price tag, but it looks really nice. 285 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:16,420 Sure. 286 00:21:16,420 --> 00:21:21,740 I mean, again, if you get into a space and you make a superior product, and I'm not saying 287 00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:30,100 it's superior than Stream Deck, I'm saying a product that holds up, I think that you 288 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,820 can sell it for a lot of money. 289 00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:34,740 You've seen that time and time again. 290 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:39,060 I can see how it appealed to the Apple folks out there, nice and thin, considering how 291 00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:40,060 much it does. 292 00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:41,060 What are you saying? 293 00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:42,060 PC folks don't like nice and thin? 294 00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:47,900 Some do. 295 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:51,020 I would be fine with it being thick if I get better battery. 296 00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:54,140 Are they all about that base? 297 00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:55,900 Yes. 298 00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:58,100 Anyway. 299 00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:08,260 Other areas that have seen a lot of growth. 300 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:10,620 I put sound systems in here. 301 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:17,060 I don't know exactly what I was thinking with that though. 302 00:22:17,060 --> 00:22:29,380 Are you thinking more of becoming network connected, more IP based, and so more easily 303 00:22:29,380 --> 00:22:32,260 controlled versus having the physical surface? 304 00:22:32,260 --> 00:22:33,260 Yeah. 305 00:22:33,260 --> 00:22:36,140 That's probably a good point. 306 00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:49,700 The number of sound systems that are connected over IP, using Dante now to be able to give 307 00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:56,620 inputs and outputs over a wide array and just having to use Cat 6 or something to connect 308 00:22:56,620 --> 00:23:01,340 it all makes it super useful. 309 00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:10,020 We were already doing, they were already doing digital snakes and digital boards before 2020. 310 00:23:10,020 --> 00:23:19,100 I think yes, the amount of mixing in a box that began to happen where you were having 311 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:24,340 to figure out how to, every church was having to figure out how to not only have a sound 312 00:23:24,340 --> 00:23:28,860 system in their room but be able to take that sound and make something usable, take those 313 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:33,940 inputs, I guess, and make something usable for somebody sitting at home on their couch 314 00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:39,740 with a TV or worse yet an iPhone. 315 00:23:39,740 --> 00:23:43,900 Mobile phone, sorry Chris. 316 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:50,420 With mobile phone speakers, as good as they are, they're not a whole lot of low end coming 317 00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:51,420 through those things. 318 00:23:51,420 --> 00:23:53,780 No they're not. 319 00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:57,940 Trying to mix everything in a way that's going to be able to be broadcast over so many different 320 00:23:57,940 --> 00:24:09,260 mediums and then having everything as flexible as it possibly can be to be able to use network 321 00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:11,540 and everything like that. 322 00:24:11,540 --> 00:24:12,940 That's definitely part of it. 323 00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:18,100 I think we're about to talk about remote work, teleconferencing and everything like that 324 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:26,940 but the streaming services just blew up. 325 00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:30,380 There's no getting around that. 326 00:24:30,380 --> 00:24:35,620 They were already on their way up and then it just got ridiculous. 327 00:24:35,620 --> 00:24:41,500 Tiger King. 328 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:42,660 That's not what I was talking about. 329 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:49,300 I was more talking about churches being able to stream or just live streaming in general. 330 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,860 That too. 331 00:24:50,860 --> 00:25:00,060 But the need and it seemed like overnight and I really do mean overnight. 332 00:25:00,060 --> 00:25:12,380 We talked about this whenever our church went remote that it happened inside of a week. 333 00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:18,820 On Monday we were talking about how we may need to tell people to just be aware of your 334 00:25:18,820 --> 00:25:21,220 brothers and their sensitivity. 335 00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:30,220 We're just all going to make sure and do the fist bump and the elbow of when we say hi 336 00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:33,860 to each other we're going to make sure and do that. 337 00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:37,740 That was on Monday and then on Tuesday or Wednesday they were like, okay so instead 338 00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:41,940 of doing that we're going to stay six feet away from each other. 339 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:44,420 We're not going to do a meet and greet time. 340 00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:46,300 We're going to make sure and do that. 341 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:52,620 If you need to wear a mask definitely wear a mask because we're finding out that singing 342 00:25:52,620 --> 00:25:57,700 is definitely how some of this is being transmitted. 343 00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:04,380 Then by Friday I was told nobody's coming to church. 344 00:26:04,380 --> 00:26:08,460 We need to be able to be fully online on Sunday. 345 00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:21,340 That Friday and Saturday was hectic if that's not an oversimplification of it. 346 00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:24,540 I remember that we were in Texarkana. 347 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:31,740 We went up to visit my wife when she was working and that was spring break week. 348 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:37,060 Yeah, it was because my wife was in New York for spring break. 349 00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:39,220 There you go. 350 00:26:39,220 --> 00:26:48,260 We were there and on my birthday was when the NBA announced they were stopping the season. 351 00:26:48,260 --> 00:26:53,300 Then right after that every other sports league was like, us too, us too. 352 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:56,140 It was just like what in the world is happening? 353 00:26:56,140 --> 00:26:58,340 It was very strange. 354 00:26:58,340 --> 00:27:02,340 It felt very, very weird. 355 00:27:02,340 --> 00:27:08,860 I remember we had already planned for Easter. 356 00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:14,660 We were going to stream our services for the first time. 357 00:27:14,660 --> 00:27:19,140 We had already bought some of the gear that we thought we would need and that we were 358 00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:20,980 moving things toward. 359 00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:26,180 I know I was in the process of trying to implement things. 360 00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:32,740 Then whenever everything hit you could not find gear to save your life because there 361 00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:35,980 was all the chip shortage and everything. 362 00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:45,300 On top of that everybody was buying everything that was out there just trying to piece together 363 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:53,200 some sort of way of being online. 364 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,180 People were even buying it on eBay even though they knew that they were paying premiums to 365 00:27:57,180 --> 00:27:58,180 get it. 366 00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:59,180 Yeah, absolutely. 367 00:27:59,180 --> 00:28:06,580 I do not want to say it was a matter of survival because it is not a matter of survival. 368 00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:08,100 It was so important. 369 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:15,860 Everything became how do we make this one thing work. 370 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:20,500 I remember putting it all together but then trying to help all the other churches around 371 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:28,420 us because we tried some things that did not really work for us but could work in a smaller 372 00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:32,180 congregation or a smaller building. 373 00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:37,980 We ended up giving a lot of gear away at that point just to try to get as many people out 374 00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:38,980 there as we could. 375 00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:42,540 It is a lot. 376 00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:46,700 I remember all of that with the streaming side of things. 377 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:50,340 Of course, I think streaming hit churches really hard. 378 00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:54,340 I know it probably hit a lot of places that I am not thinking about really hard. 379 00:28:54,340 --> 00:29:00,500 There was some music industry streaming stuff that was really important. 380 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:08,260 Then what really did hit everybody else at least was the remote work, the teleconferencing, 381 00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:12,500 and all the collaborative tools. 382 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:17,340 You want to talk about collaborative tools? 383 00:29:17,340 --> 00:29:20,480 In that area, we were pretty fortunate. 384 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:29,460 We had gone to Zoom and actually had Zoom rooms about maybe six months to a year before 385 00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:30,460 COVID. 386 00:29:30,460 --> 00:29:35,700 Y'all were really set up for it because you were already distributing your... 387 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:39,020 Not distributing, not diversifying. 388 00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:40,020 We were spread out. 389 00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:41,780 Yeah, you were spread out already. 390 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:42,780 We were fortunate. 391 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:47,060 Our staff were even familiar with the concept of a VPN, how to use it. 392 00:29:47,060 --> 00:29:48,060 Ooh. 393 00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:53,180 To get to internal resources. 394 00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:58,380 That's just the thing that you use to make sure that you're not being tracked by the 395 00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:01,380 government, right? 396 00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:05,740 Yeah that's what they sell us now. 397 00:30:05,740 --> 00:30:10,820 There was a huge boom there. 398 00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:12,980 Zoom was clearly the front runner. 399 00:30:12,980 --> 00:30:15,580 They really exploded. 400 00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:21,100 It would have been wise to have bought their stock a little before COVID. 401 00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:29,660 Even Microsoft Teams saw a significant increase in the use of their product. 402 00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:35,700 I would say that they're probably still at least number two there, if not number three 403 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:39,100 in that space. 404 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:46,700 Then with this is everybody was obviously at home and not everybody's home internet 405 00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:54,780 or home network was really ready for this. 406 00:30:54,780 --> 00:31:00,020 You're having people having problems and you're trying to remotely troubleshoot what's going 407 00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:07,580 on and then you're ultimately having to say, it's your service provider. 408 00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:12,460 It's your router or you're too far away from your router. 409 00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:16,020 You need to get much closer, especially if you were wireless. 410 00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:22,500 If you could string up a network table. 411 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:26,000 You tell us how much you need, we'll order it, we'll ship it to you. 412 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,060 If you don't mind dragging it across your living room and down a hallway into the bedroom 413 00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:37,860 where you've got your desk set up just to try to improve the overall experience. 414 00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:50,380 Yeah, there was definitely a lot of IT support having to be brought up to speed on what was 415 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:59,100 going on and for people to be able to troubleshoot for themselves was a part of that. 416 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:06,660 You said Zoom and Teams, I think Google meets were already going. 417 00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:14,420 They probably haven't had the... 418 00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:19,140 Google's problem is the problem that they always have is they just don't sit still with 419 00:32:19,140 --> 00:32:21,500 a product. 420 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:27,940 They'll come out with something and within six months to a year, it's not working and 421 00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:33,380 they'll shut it down or they'll rename it and relaunch it as some new service and it's 422 00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:36,540 still the same thing. 423 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:40,660 It seems like with Google Meet, they've kind of... 424 00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:47,700 Within recent memory, they've kind of left it alone. 425 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:53,060 They would be wise to just pick a name of the service and stay with it. 426 00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:57,220 Well, whatever its name is, it's going to have Google at the front of it. 427 00:32:57,220 --> 00:32:58,220 Of course. 428 00:32:58,220 --> 00:32:59,220 Like Apple. 429 00:32:59,220 --> 00:33:00,220 Yes. 430 00:33:00,220 --> 00:33:05,660 It's almost like these guys are competing with each other. 431 00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:10,500 I need you to know that this is our product. 432 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:16,300 Because prior to Meet, it was Hangouts. 433 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:24,140 And there was one other prior to Hangouts, I forget what it was. 434 00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:28,900 They need to just stay with it, stop changing the name. 435 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:32,380 That's a good point. 436 00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:35,500 I mean, Microsoft's not a lot better with stuff like that, but... 437 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:36,500 No. 438 00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:37,500 It is what it is. 439 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:38,500 No, they did... 440 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:39,940 It's something else now. 441 00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:50,940 They had Skype and then decided that that wasn't good enough and so now it's Teams. 442 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:51,940 But it's Microsoft Teams. 443 00:33:51,940 --> 00:33:57,740 It is Microsoft Teams, just so you know who the service is from. 444 00:33:57,740 --> 00:34:04,020 Yeah, there's been a lot of turnover in this sector. 445 00:34:04,020 --> 00:34:05,980 There has. 446 00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:08,900 And if it hasn't been... 447 00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:18,220 I mean, it's definitely been a win for a lot of different product lines that have come 448 00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:24,660 out, but I can say wholeheartedly that the people that have suffered have been the IT 449 00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:28,500 support inside of all of it. 450 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:29,780 Yeah, I think that's fair. 451 00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:35,380 I mean, again, nobody could have envisioned COVID becoming what it was. 452 00:34:35,380 --> 00:34:43,900 I mean, it kind of showed up in late September, early October of 19. 453 00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:46,500 And they were like, it's in China. 454 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,380 We think it's where it's at. 455 00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:54,300 And in recent memory, we had had... 456 00:34:54,300 --> 00:35:01,500 I guess it was SARS-CoV-1 that was in the early 2000s, maybe. 457 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,980 And again, started in China. 458 00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:07,500 A few isolated cases in Canada. 459 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,720 And then it just kind of fizzled. 460 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:17,700 And then we'd had all the bird flu and that kind of... 461 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,580 It spread, but it didn't really quite hit that level. 462 00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:21,900 Swine flu and bird flu. 463 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:22,900 Yeah. 464 00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:27,060 Swine flu got a little bit farther, but not enough that people were thinking we got to 465 00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:28,060 shut it all down. 466 00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:30,060 But again, nobody could have anticipated... 467 00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:32,060 Shut down camp for a week. 468 00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:35,580 Well, yeah, we did do that. 469 00:35:35,580 --> 00:35:39,260 In retrospect, if they had to do it over, I don't think they would have shut camp down. 470 00:35:39,260 --> 00:35:41,060 But we did. 471 00:35:41,060 --> 00:35:46,980 But again, nobody could have anticipated COVID going the way that it did, as fast as it did. 472 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:53,940 And so there were a ton of companies that they weren't ready. 473 00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:58,580 We're still very much living in a older IT model. 474 00:35:58,580 --> 00:36:01,140 And we even still had some of that to some degree, even when COVID hit. 475 00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:06,380 We were just fortunate that our staff knew how to use a VPN and that we had recently 476 00:36:06,380 --> 00:36:09,340 switched to Zoom. 477 00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:11,740 And we were really able to leverage that. 478 00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:18,380 But yeah, there were a lot of teams that were scrambling, like you were saying, trying to 479 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:25,420 order the pieces that they need, trying to train people as quickly as they could remotely 480 00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:31,580 on how things were going to work, what to do, what not to do, how to try to stay safe, 481 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:40,100 with the information that you're using, so you don't have information ending up in personal 482 00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:41,100 accounts. 483 00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,740 And I'm sure a ton of that still happened. 484 00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:52,180 Who knows what's floating out there in some people's personal Dropbox? 485 00:36:52,180 --> 00:36:59,300 There could be critical company information. 486 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:05,980 Depending on your company, there could even be some HIPAA related items out there too. 487 00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:08,980 No, people would never. 488 00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:09,980 Yes. 489 00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:14,420 So yeah, I mean, that was a crazy time. 490 00:37:14,420 --> 00:37:17,220 I certainly hope we never have to go through it again. 491 00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:19,140 Yeah, me too. 492 00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:23,780 I mean, I guess for the most part, we've seen it once. 493 00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:30,540 So as an IT community, if you can call it that, we kind of know what to do and how to 494 00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:31,540 react. 495 00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:34,620 But hopefully, it doesn't come to that again. 496 00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:48,060 Well, I think it's made people more agile, to use a scrum term, in a lot of different 497 00:37:48,060 --> 00:37:49,940 ways to be ready for. 498 00:37:49,940 --> 00:37:57,620 I mean, the IT guys have always had bags of dongles and things like that to be ready for 499 00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:58,700 physically being there. 500 00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:02,540 But now to have another set of tools that you have with you all the time to be ready 501 00:38:02,540 --> 00:38:12,580 for not being able to be somebody's support actually at their desk. 502 00:38:12,580 --> 00:38:19,920 And just knowing the tools to be able to set somebody up remotely, to be able to have meetings 503 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:36,980 or to be able to do calls or feel like they're productive and a part of the team still. 504 00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:39,420 That feels like it's not going away. 505 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:42,880 And the more practice we have with it, the better we can do. 506 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,220 And the more the infrastructure is ready for it, the better we can do. 507 00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:50,700 Yeah, we don't want people under desk because they know they're going to call Roy a desk 508 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:51,700 rabbit. 509 00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:52,700 Yeah. 510 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:53,700 Desk rabbit. 511 00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:55,100 Was it rabbit or bunny? 512 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:56,940 I'm pretty sure it was rabbit. 513 00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:59,060 Okay, we're going to have to. 514 00:38:59,060 --> 00:39:06,660 I mean, because at one point we all thought it was desk bunny, but it sounded better. 515 00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:10,180 But I feel like when we looked it up, it was actually rabbit. 516 00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:12,620 Okay, well, there you go. 517 00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:14,700 Moss was really freaking out, man. 518 00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:16,140 Yeah, there it is. 519 00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:19,180 Desk rabbit, IT crowd. 520 00:39:19,180 --> 00:39:24,220 I think bunny is a better visual. 521 00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:27,580 Yeah. 522 00:39:27,580 --> 00:39:30,780 That whole show, worth it. 523 00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:36,940 Definitely this episode brought to you by, well, probably not. 524 00:39:36,940 --> 00:39:39,780 But y'all should definitely go watch it. 525 00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:46,020 And then I can't let the other piece get too far behind us, you reference the bag of dongles. 526 00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:50,660 That is a call out to Jesse and Craig. 527 00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:56,740 Yeah, Jesse and Craig, who are never going to listen to this, but they need to know. 528 00:39:56,740 --> 00:40:02,220 Yes, but if there's any Pine Cove people or former Pine Cove people, they will get the 529 00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:03,860 reference in the inside joke. 530 00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:05,540 I hope so. 531 00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:08,340 Hey, thanks for hanging out with me. 532 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:09,340 I appreciate it. 533 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:13,780 It was good to get one of these under our belt. 534 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:14,780 Yeah. 535 00:40:14,780 --> 00:40:17,620 The gear is at least working. 536 00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:18,620 The gear is working. 537 00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:19,620 The beer is working. 538 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:20,620 Yeah, the beer is working too. 539 00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:21,620 The gear is working. 540 00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:23,980 I feel good about this setup. 541 00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:24,980 Yeah. 542 00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:27,220 I could see doing a few little tweaks here and there. 543 00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:33,260 I'd love to figure out on my end how to get this working to where I could actually play 544 00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:37,260 audio off my computer into this. 545 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:43,500 Yeah, I think I can do that right now, but I can't hear it because I've got some weird 546 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:46,540 stuff going on with my setup. 547 00:40:46,540 --> 00:40:47,540 We're going to work it out. 548 00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:48,540 It's going to be great. 549 00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:49,540 Yep. 550 00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:50,540 Hi, Brad. 551 00:40:50,540 --> 00:41:08,280 Hey. 552 00:41:20,540 --> 00:41:22,540 Thank you.