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Hey everyone.
We're on our pilot episode here of Beer and Gear.
This is exciting.
We've been talking about doing this for a long, long time and now we're finally stepping
into it.
Yes, we're here.
And that's a big deal.
My name is John Redferring.
This is Chris Kincaid with me.
And today we're drinking some Modelo Negra.
So cheers.
Cheers, sir.
This is probably not what I was hoping for for our initial recording, but it's darker
beer.
How about that?
It works.
Which is, I think, both of our preference at this point.
Yes.
I'm usually more of like an amber, amber to dark guy.
I think, you know, I what was your first beer?
Natty Light.
I mean, yeah, you got to start like just terrible.
So I had a Corona first.
Okay.
Complete with lime, because, you know, you got to you got to work your way into drinking
beer.
But yeah, you just went straight to gasoline.
We were poor.
Yes.
And it was the cheapest thing you could get in a case.
That's right.
And we went with cans.
Yeah, there you go.
I mean, that's that that sounds very familiar.
Yes.
Funny story.
I actually didn't drink beer in college very much.
I think I had my first beer in while I was in college, but I didn't like I went to Oklahoma
Baptist University.
There were some parties that had beer at them.
But up in Oklahoma, they have three point two beer.
And so anytime somebody actually threw like a big party, they would drive down to Texas
to get a keg of Shiner to make sure that it was the alcohol level was higher than three
point two.
Correct.
And then they would bring that up there.
And I didn't I didn't like Shiner at the time because I wasn't really drinking beer that
often, but now Shiner is definitely one of my favorites.
But I got to tell you, there's a there's a place in Tyler.
I don't know if anybody else knows this other than me.
But there's a place in Tyler that now serves Guinness on draft.
Yes.
And that's not too shabby.
That's good to have because we haven't had that since Benningans.
Paul said that the the Chicago pizza place that used to be on the loop that they had
Guinness on draft.
I never saw it.
I didn't either.
Anyway, it's hard to find.
And it's delicious.
It is.
Although it's a mill in a bottle.
Yeah, it's a meal.
You know what?
You just don't even need to don't even need to worry about getting food with that because
you're going to be full no matter what.
Well, we had this idea.
We both like drinking beer.
We both like talking about gear.
And so, of course, why don't we why don't we just have a podcast where we get to hang
out really?
This is for us more than it is for anybody else to get to get to hang out and talk about
either new gear that we have or new gear that we're testing out or that we just really want.
That's also on the table.
And then get to drink beer and hang out.
But the the gear part comes from we're actually kind of from two separate sides of the table
here when it comes to gear.
Chris, why don't you tell them about your kind of history of being a tech nerd?
So I work in IT, been at Plain Co for going on 18 years.
So I'll bring 18 years 18 18 this December.
That's crazy.
So I'll bring more of that piece to the table.
I am slowly learning AV, especially since I'm supposed to direct the guys who take care
of it.
Yeah, nobody wants to be Jen.
Nobody wants to be the anybody knows there will be and I need I need you all to know
there will be a lot of IT crowd references.
So if you're going to watch or listen to this podcast, you're probably going to need to
go watch some IT crowd so you can get some of them.
There will be homework movie and TV homework.
Yeah.
So I'll bring that piece, whether that is, you know, enterprise gear or the stuff that
we're playing with at home.
A lot of ubiquity there.
Yeah.
Raspberry Pi.
Home Assistant doing some of the home automation.
And I will bring in just a little bit of AV.
Just a little bit of AV.
Yes.
So my role inside of the IT side of it is to ask Chris questions.
That's what I do.
Got to got to actually meet Chris whenever he came on staff at Pine Cove because I was
already there.
But that was a while ago now.
Yes.
I mean, I guess 18 years ago.
18 years now.
But I was back then I was actually working in maintenance.
And then I got pulled on to the IT crew after I'd been at Pine Cove for about five years.
And then started I have been a worship leader for a long time and started learning the the
AV side of it.
That's what I was going to be a specialist in.
That's what I was a specialist in was AV stuff.
But you know, any small organization, you got to you got to have lots of hats, lots
of hats.
So you got to learn as much as you can all the time.
And so I started to learn from Chris back then about hardware stuff.
He was my boss for a little bit.
That was fun.
And then I came to work at the church full time or church in East Texas called South
Spring and got to do start to do AV stuff and IT stuff over here.
So we keep in touch because I need help a lot.
But we both have a lot of questions about gear and we both have a lot of research that's
going on.
And we just really like looking at what's out there.
Absolutely.
I do have to make a call back to the feelings chair.
I don't think we can.
Oh, man.
Call back to the feelings chair.
That was that was that was a special time when when Chris and I worked in the same office
when we were officiating out of the same room, it was me and you and Preston Reese.
That's right.
So Preston, we love you.
He's all kinds of fancy now.
I don't want to anyway.
But we had a chair that we kept kind of in the middle of our desks.
We had three desks in there in that room and a chair in the middle that we called the feelings
chair because people could come in.
And usually when they're talking about something that's going wrong with AV or IT, the feelings
start to come out.
But I'm also just a straight up feeler.
And so I took that chair over and it became my desk chair.
Yeah, you dropped in and out Dukes of Hazard style.
Dukes of Hazard style, because it was not a desk chair at all.
But you know, I mean, that that chair has burned by now, right?
Like it doesn't exist anymore.
I would sure think so.
I mean, I hope so anyway.
It's in some land film.
But yeah, quick gear rundown, I guess.
This isn't going to be normally where we're how we're going through things.
Right now, we're actually running off of a Rodecaster Pro 2 and we both are using the
Shure SM7B microphones.
Yeah, that's the that's the gear that we're using right now.
Now that's that's probably not how we're going to run normally, because this is this is we're
not going to actually be able most of the time to do this face to face.
Correct.
We both have families and real jobs and children.
So that's going to have to be a video call from home.
So we'll be able to talk about the gear that we run at home in a different episode.
But right now, like you actually have a Rodecaster Pro at home, right?
I do have the two.
So if you looked at my setup at home, you think I've been at this for a long time.
Well, you kind of have, even though you haven't been producing anything.
Correct.
I've been talking about doing a podcast for probably a solid five years and just never
got around to it.
Never got around to it.
There's going to be so many things that y'all get to know about Chris inside of this.
We're both pretty introverted.
I've had to be extroverted for my job, but not huge extroverted people over here.
It's kind of funny.
I don't think the people would know that you have like four professional microphones at
home.
No, I'm reduced down at the moment.
OK.
I've got the RE320, which will probably be my go to.
And then I've got the the Hile PR40.
And that's all I have at the moment.
Really?
Yes.
So what did you have before?
I had an SM7B.
And then I had the RE27ND.
Yeah.
Which is the RE20, but with the hotter magnets, neodymium magnets.
So you get a much hotter output.
You don't have to crank up the gain as much.
Kind of higher end sound, not higher end meaning expensive, higher end meaning like the higher
end of the frequency is kind of highlighted.
So yeah, with that, you don't have to be really careful with your symbolism, I believe, or
symbolence.
Symbolence, not symbolism.
Hey, it's all the same.
Symbolence.
Oh, man.
That's another another joke for another time.
But yeah, and especially like when you're when we're at home, that you would not be
able to run your AC at the same time, because that would just pick up all of that.
Absolutely.
And truth be known, I'll probably literally be doing it out of my closet.
Yeah.
It's about the most padded and treated room in the house to use.
That's pretty funny.
I mean, it's a tiny closet.
It is.
It's not a big closet.
No, you got a tiny closet, you're running your AV gear out of it.
Yes, to borrow from some other people, it'll be my Cluedio.
Well, there you go.
Do you have an arm?
Like what we're running off the compass arms in here.
I have this exact same thing.
Oh, the compass arm.
Yeah.
And then I the you know, not using it right now.
The Hile is actually on a little Hile arm that mounts to the table and extends out.
But it's not a full articulating arm like these are.
Yeah, I like the these compass arms are nice because it everything looks real smooth and
everything on them.
But I will say what's the Elgato guys?
Is that just logic?
It's not Logitech.
What?
Who makes the Elgato?
I thought it was actually just Elgato.
Anyway, there's an arm.
Believe it's called the Wave.
Yeah.
So the the Wave arm Elgato Wave mic arm probably for home.
That's what I'm going to be using because it's it's actually lower, which these are
nice.
And everybody's seen the the like the Rode PS PS one.
Sorry.
That type of arm like that comes over the top and kind of holds the mic more at your
face.
It's nice.
But it's also like it is this huge structure coming out of the desk next to you.
Whereas the Wave, it's it's a little bit cheaper, but it's it's lower profile.
And that's that's probably more what I will be running at home with my Aston microphone.
Yes, I would say the Wave nestles that microphone right up into your chin.
Your beard hairs.
Yes.
Which is where mine is right now anyway.
Yeah.
So we really like the Rodecaster Pro 2.
Yes, I think both of us do.
We I had a we had a Rodecaster Pro just the first version whenever it first came out.
And that thing, I mean, broke all kinds of rules about doing processing and how you were
going to, you know, whether you have that running into your computer to then run processing
that way or whatever.
But like having the individual faders and being able to assign those faders, which came
later or did that wait until Pro 2 to come out?
I don't remember.
But then, you know, just the being able to assign the buttons to different things and
all that made made it a lot easier for for people to be able to jump in producing content
without having to have an extra person, I guess, doing that.
Correct.
Yeah, the Pro 2 really added that extra USB channel, which is incredibly useful.
Very useful.
And then made the pads a little more useful than just some basic jingles.
Yeah.
And I was super excited about that.
Because they didn't, you know, you didn't have this opportunity whenever the Pro 2 first
came out.
But that that USB now can be another microphone.
Yes.
Which is awesome.
Now you can have five microphones on this guy.
Yeah.
So if you had something like the new PodMic USB, plug it right in and go.
Yeah.
And I think that it also has the ability to use their wireless mic.
If you've got the new version of their new version, little lapel mic that they have,
the ME 2 or the Go mic go or something like that.
Anyway, it also has a receiver in there, which they didn't even tell us about when they first
came out with the Pro 2.
Anyway, I'm loving where we're at right now with this type of gear, because it's just
it's constantly upgrading.
They don't have a choice.
They just keep keep giving us new stuff over and over and over again.
And correct.
And there is an increasing number of players in the market.
Yes.
So they know they have to innovate to stay.
Which you know, we can talk about the markets and how how we like when there's multiple
people in the market.
Correct.
Because free market stuff is nice for consumers.
Yes.
Drives up innovation, drives down cost.
Yeah.
Now, you know where we stand on that.
Yeah.
But I think that the majority of the time, you know, we're going to we're going to get
to talk about the stuff that we're actually using and what we like and don't like about
it.
But then we're also going to be able to talk about, you know, what's coming down the pipeline
when it comes to new gear and things like that.
September is coming in a hurry.
And yes, it is.
As an Apple fan, I've got a lot of things to look forward to.
Chris, what are your thoughts?
I just want truth in advertising.
Just give me truth in advertising.
That's all I want.
It's just but things are amazing and magical and wonderful and have never been faster or
better.
What do you mean?
I need to find the YouTube clip.
Which one to bring for a future show where it's them doing the parody of the Apple event
with all of the adjectives that they love to describe their product.
I mean, they still do it.
It's still a thing.
It was way worse when Jobs was around.
Correct.
I mean, that was like a that was a.
That's when you played Apple Bingo.
Yeah, if you if you get these three in a row.
That's a normal day.
They were kind of ridiculous with that.
Yes.
But yeah, I like I've been using Mac computers and have been in the ecosystem for quite a
few years now.
Yes.
I got my first iPhone.
I think it was a four.
I mean, not four.
Four S.
But back then, man.
Gosh, there have been so many iterations of everything.
And then they just completely jumped nine straight to ten, eight and ten.
Yes.
I will stick with my Windows and Android.
Yeah.
So Chris is currently using a Dell laptop and what kind of Android?
I am currently I'm on the Pixel 6 Pro.
Pixel 6 Pro.
Yes.
How far back is that?
I think we're one iteration back.
I think the eight is around the corner.
All right.
Eight is around the corner.
I was like, I feel like I've heard about the eight, but I didn't know if that had already
come out or not.
So the eight is coming out.
I'm on the 13 Pro and I have a 14 inch MacBook Pro.
But the the only reason I'm on the 13 Pro.
I was on the mini.
I was on the 12 mini and I love that thing.
The battery life was terrible, but the is a lot of fun just carrying on a tiny phone.
But then I got in a motorcycle accident and that thing got bent almost in half.
It was kind of crazy how it got torn up being in my pocket and then thrown across the highway.
Oh, what are you going to do?
I will tell you, I gear and asphalt do not mix.
No, it does not.
It broke my asphalt wins every time.
Broke my watch and my phone at the same time.
But what are you going to do?
Now when we're doing this at home, I'll actually be using a Dell 7040 micro.
Really?
Yes.
I did a little upgrades to it, put a PCIe SSD in it, upgraded the memory.
Nice.
I'm taking advantage of the USB 3 in that, so I'm actually running the road caster and
both channels into that.
Both channels?
Both channels in, yes.
I did find out the hard way.
Don't turn on the road caster after you've boot up the PC.
I think it's overloading the USB and it doesn't like it and the computer turns off.
Okay.
So turn on the road caster first, then boot up the computer.
That's funny.
It's like, wait, what are you doing?
Yes, because I was actually in the middle of playing around with CleanFeed and I was
like, okay, let's get the road caster ready to go.
Reach back, pop that power button, computer went right off.
It didn't even give you like a stutter.
It was like, no, I'm gone.
Gone.
Wow.
Yes.
That's insane.
Yeah.
Tell me about CleanFeed because that's probably where we're going to end up being using CleanFeed.
For our conversations.
So CleanFeed really just handles.
Any award winning.
Yeah.
CleanFeed is really just audio only.
There's no video necessarily.
So kind of like Zoom and some of the others that are out there, but purely audio and it's
all about HD audio.
Yeah, which is good because if you're doing HD audio, you don't want all that bandwidth
being dedicated to video, which takes up way more space.
Correct.
And then you can also do recording through there.
Now I think possibly to get into some of the nicer levels of recording, you've got a pony
up for the subscription.
So but I think for what we're going to be doing, the free level is going to be fine.
And you can do a lot of hours.
There's not necessarily a limit in terms in terms of how often you can use it.
That's nice.
Yes.
So for those out there that are looking at doing something like this, CleanFeed.net,
right?
CleanFeed.net.
And if you're on a Mac, you need to know it doesn't like Safari.
Correct.
It really likes Chrome.
It's one of those guys that really likes Chrome.
Yes.
But that's a good option.
I'm looking at this here for the free model, or freemium, I guess you could say.
You can have multiple parties.
You can have the HD audio.
And you actually can do unlimited session recording.
But if you want to get into multi-track recording, then you've got to move into the Pro.
Pro would also bring in a cart wall if you need it.
You're right.
If we ever introduce any jingles and have advantage or need to take advantage of that,
you can do multiple input devices, higher bit rates.
Oh, you get email support.
Everyone loves email support.
I mean, as opposed to no support?
I'm trying to hold back what I was thinking on email support.
I don't want to throw ubiquity totally under the bus.
Oh, Mercy, don't.
Yeah.
But Chris, you've been a support guy.
Before Pine Cove, what were you doing?
I was doing support for Cox Communications on TV, internet, and phone.
And I will tell you, there's nothing like them rolling out phone service to places that
don't have the right coax to support it.
And they call you and you're hearing about every third or fourth word and they're understandably
upset.
And you're basically saying, hey, why don't you call me back from your cell phone?
Eesh.
So fun times.
Hey, we're supplying you with phone.
Don't call me from it though.
Correct.
So yeah, that job was rough because the whole reason that they're calling you is because
it doesn't work.
They're never calling you to tell you that they love the service.
It's fine.
The worst nights were pay per view nights.
Okay.
Because when you'd have a given city and a pay per view didn't work.
And let me tell you, when people fork out that kind of money, they come a calling.
I bet.
And nine times out of 10, we couldn't fix it.
Yeah, that's bad.
Yeah.
We could basically send a reset to the box.
That was just not going to work.
You did it anyway, just to do your due diligence, follow the script, so to speak.
And then you would kick it up the chain and the knock would have to investigate.
Yeah, that's not good.
And usually after those, there was a ton of refunds being done.
Yeah.
Because they did not get to watch their pay per view.
Yeah, I would tell you, Chris is probably one of the most patient people that I know.
And I feel like a lot of it has to come from just personality.
But a lot of it has to come from the customer service jobs that you've had.
Yeah.
Because you've had a few of those.
A few, a few, yeah.
I started with Toys R Us because I hate myself.
Because I hate myself.
So I did Toys R Us for over four years.
And then went over to help open up Office Max here in Tyler.
Did that for four years.
And then went back to Toys R Us because I still hated myself.
Was there for about six months and then went on to Cox and then from there to Pine Cove.
Yeah.
Because Cox was still in East Texas at that point.
Yeah, we were a part of what they called Middle America.
Middle America.
Yeah.
Because Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and then for some reason a small patch in
Idaho.
OK.
Just random.
Random.
Hey, Idaho's not touching any oceans.
So it is Middle America, technically.
Trying to think in the name of the town that's there in Idaho that they had because actually
on one of my support calls and I'll never forget it.
Now I'm not going to remember his name.
Used to do Weekend Update on SNL and the HBO show.
I should know this.
I love him.
Oh my gosh.
Dennis Miller.
It was Dennis Miller's house.
I didn't get to talk directly to Dennis.
I could hear him in the background.
Yeah.
But I was helping the technician with an Internet issue and he was like, you're not going to
believe it.
This is actually Dennis Miller's house.
He's right here.
Yes.
He's like, he answered the door in a pair of shorts and no shoes.
Like wait, what is going on?
Celebrity right here in front of me and Boise.
I don't know.
Is there another town in Idaho?
I don't know.
I'm trying to look it up.
I should be able to remember it.
That's funny.
I mean, that's like way back.
Yes.
SNL.
Yes.
Loved him on there for Weekend Update.
That's pretty good.
Loved him on his HBO show.
What was his HBO show?
Now you're putting me on the spot.
Yeah, I am.
What else are we going to do?
That's the nineties.
Yeah.
Hold on.
I remember the intro.
We have these.
It was aptly named the Dennis Miller show.
Dennis Miller live or the Dennis Miller show.
Yeah, actually he's got both.
Okay.
That's funny.
I don't think I ever saw the show.
I remember him on Weekend Update.
Yes.
That's hilarious.
Well, that's pretty good.
Well, be back in two weeks to talk about what the next gear thought is and hopefully have
a plan for moving forward.
Probably should figure out a way for folks to send us for what they would like to be
covered.
Absolutely.
If they have any questions, because everybody's got AV questions.
Yes, they do.
Can you come make my cable work?
Well, that's where I would actually love to try to figure out, can we make some of the
podcasting 2.0 features work?
Because you can now introduce.
Now we'd have to work towards a live show.
Yeah.
But you could have them send them what's called a booster gram.
Okay.
With a message in the middle of the show.
And you can actually interact with your listeners and then with you and say like, Hey, why?
Why do you sound like that?
Yeah.
That's funny.
So we'll we'll try to figure that out over time.
Wow.
Okay.
Well, hey, it was good to get to hang out and talk to you.
Yes, it's been a while.
Grateful to actually see you.
It's good to see you as well.
It's campus over now.
Yes.
All right.
Cheers.
I'm afraid mine's already gone.
Yeah, I'm getting close.