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Most English learners believe they must study

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with a native English teacher. But is that actually

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true? The answer might surprise you. Welcome

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back to the Learn English podcast. The podcast

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teaching English in context so you can learn

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naturally. On today's episode, I want to explore

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this issue, whether or not you need to have a

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native English speaker be your teacher and help

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you on your English learning journey. If you

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are new to the podcast, you might not know that

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I teach English online to students who are learning

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it as a foreign language. And on today's episode,

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I want to go over the pros and the cons of having

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someone who is not a native English speaker so

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you can determine if it would be good for you

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and when you might want to use someone who is

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a non -native English speaking teacher. So if

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you're interested in learning about these pros

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and cons and trying to figure out whether or

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not it might be a good fit for you, then follow

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along because we're about to begin. Before we

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get started, I want to remind you to look at

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the description of this podcast episode. There

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you will find the words and phrases that I use

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in the episode, so you can take them and start

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building your English vocabulary. Let's start

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talking about having a non -native English teacher,

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and we're going to start with the pros of why

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this might be a good idea. I've had a number

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of students tell me that they have used someone

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who does not speak English natively, but who

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speaks it at a very high level. I think the biggest

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pro is when this type of teacher speaks your

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native language and when you are just beginning

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to learn English. If you are at the beginning

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of your English learning journey, then maybe

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you have difficulty understanding a native speaker.

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Maybe you're struggling to understand what I

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am saying now, and it would be difficult to have

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an entire lesson in English because you wouldn't

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be able to understand. everything. If you have

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a teacher who speaks your native language and

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speaks English to a very high level, then they

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can communicate with you and you can better understand

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them. They can explain concepts to you. They

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can answer any questions you might have. This

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is not really possible if you have someone who

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does not speak your native language. I can say

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from personal experience, I took lessons to try

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to learn Spanish. And when I was a beginner,

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I did take a lesson with a native Spanish speaking

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teacher. He did not speak English and it was

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challenging. I only did that one time because

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I did get a little bit confused. this might be

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a really good use of your time and of your resources

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if you decide to use someone who speaks your

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native language but then also can explain those

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english concepts to you the second pro is that

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this person would also be able to explain the

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grammar to you when you have someone who is a

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native english speaker A lot of the time, they

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do not know the grammar rules. They speak English

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very well. They can tell you what sounds right

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or wrong, but they might not be able to explain.

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why. They don't know the names for all of the

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grammar rules, for example. And that's because

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we don't actually learn those in school. We do

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learn some, we do know some basic grammar, but

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if you were to go up to the average American

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and ask them, how many verb tenses do you have

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in English? They'll probably look at you a little

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bit funny. But if you have a non -native English

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speaking teacher, they have studied those grammar

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rules. They have learned English in a way that

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is different from the way a native speaker has

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learned it. So they're better able to explain

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those grammar rules to you because they know

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they exist, they know what the reasoning is behind

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them, and they can give you a really good explanation

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about why something is said one way versus another.

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The third pro is that they're able to make comparisons

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between English and your native language. If

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you have someone who knows your language and

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knows English to a really high level, they're

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able to tell you about the similarities and the

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differences. When I teach someone who is a Spanish

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speaking student, I am able to make some comparisons

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between Spanish and English because I do know

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some level of Spanish, but I'm not able to make

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that comparison, which can be really helpful

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when you are trying to learn a language. The

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fourth pro is that they can provide really good

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study material and can be a good role model for

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you. If they know your language and they've learned

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English to this really high level where they're

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able to teach it themselves, you know that they

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have used a lot of material to study from along

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the way. They have resources that they can tell

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you about. They can tell you what study material

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they used. And that material is most likely going

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to be in English, but also in your native language.

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They can tell you exactly how they got fluent

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in English. And that can be a really good source

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of inspiration. That can help you stay motivated

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because you have someone who speaks your language,

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but also speaks English to the level that you

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want to reach. And that's really a good thing.

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I think having someone who can show you that

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it is possible. You can reach that really high

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level of fluency of English. and the last pro

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is that they're able to empathize with you they

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have gone through this exact journey that you

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are on right now they know exactly how difficult

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it was to learn english i know i am able to empathize

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a little bit with my students I know exactly

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how difficult it has been for me to learn Spanish,

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so I understand how difficult it is to learn

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a second language. But I'm not able to relate

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exactly to what they are going through. For me,

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English is my native language. I learned it as

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a child, so I don't know that struggle exactly.

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I'm able to relate because I am learning a second

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language, but I don't understand everything that

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they're going through. If you have someone who

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has gone through that journey, they are able

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to empathize with you. They know where you might

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make mistakes along the way. They can tell you

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where they made mistakes because of the differences

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between your language and English. And that is

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a good resource to have. It's just sometimes

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nice to have that support, have someone who can

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relate to you and understand what you're going

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through while you're learning English. Now let's

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turn to the cons. The first con of having a non

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-native English speaking teacher is that sometimes

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the pronunciation or the phrases that they use

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can be a little bit odd. Over the years, I've

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had a number of students from China, and I've

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been told from my Chinese students that the English

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teachers that they have when they are in school

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are not native English speakers. They are Chinese

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people who have learned English and who are now

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teaching English. And that's great. That's what

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you have to use if that's what's available. But

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I have heard over the years some mistakes when

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my students are speaking. I've heard some weird

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phrases that they use in conversation. And they

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have told me that the pronunciation that they're

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using or the phrases or rules that they're using

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came from their non -native English speaking

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teachers. For example, with many of my... Chinese

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students, when they're saying that they want

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to be more fluent when they're speaking English,

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they have told me they want to improve their

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oral English. A native English speaker, at least

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in the United States, is never going to say oral

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English. They will say speaking ability. I don't

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know where oral English comes from. I don't know

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if maybe that's a British term or something from

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a different country, but an American speaker

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will never say that term. And I've heard it from

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multiple students, and they have told me that

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that is what it is called in China. In the education

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system, they use the term oral English. Again,

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that is odd to me. It's not something I would

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ever say. And I have told them if you were talking

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to someone who's from the United States, don't

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say that. Instead, say you want to improve your

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speaking ability. I've also had students tell

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me about some... grammar rules, some differences

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between some words that they were taught from

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their teachers in China or in whatever country

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they're in when they were learning English. And

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the rules that they told me were rules that I

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had never heard of. And the examples they gave

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me were just not correct. The second con is they

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just naturally don't have the same level of depth

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in the language as a native speaker would. Now,

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I am not talking about grammar rules. Like I

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said, most Americans are not able to explain

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every grammar rule of the English language. We

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are just not taught that. But we do know our

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language and how it's used. We can tell you what

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sounds correct versus what sounds incorrect.

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We can tell you the difference of two very similar

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words and why you would use one versus the other.

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We can tell you what One word has for its context,

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whether it's negative or positive versus another.

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So two words might have the same meaning, but

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one might be a more negative term and one might

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be a more positive term. For example, I did an

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episode on advanced English words to help your

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English vocabulary. And I did them in pairs where

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I used two similar words or terms and I talked

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about the differences, even though they meant

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the same thing. What the context differences

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were, what the very subtle meaning differences

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were between the two. That's what I'm talking

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about when I'm saying this level of depth. A

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native speaker just naturally knows that. And

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a native speaker also knows just what sounds

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natural when you're speaking. I've had students

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who have come up with very odd rules for why

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they would use one word versus another. For example,

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I had a student from China who talked about the

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differences of using thus or therefore. Now,

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these are terms that we use usually when we're

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making an argument or trying to explain something,

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the reasoning behind something and why something

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is the way that it is. And they're very similar.

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However, my student was trying to say that they

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were very different and you only use one in one

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context and one in a completely different context.

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And she said that her teacher had explained this

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and was very strict about the rules. And I was

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listening to her and I thought, no, that's completely

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wrong. That is not what an American would say.

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Again, maybe they were learning a different type

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of English from a different country. But in the

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United States, we use those two words the exact

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same. Thus and therefore are interchangeable.

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And I learned that when I was in school that

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you could use either one of those. So sometimes

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when you do have a non -native speaking teacher,

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they could make the mistakes right it's possible

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for them to not be able to fully understand the

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differences between similar words maybe they

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make some odd rules that don't really exist or

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they think something is a particular way when

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it might not be and that's just something again

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to watch out for if you are using this type of

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teacher the third con i have already mentioned

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but it is the over reliance on grammar rules

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I think grammar gets taught way too much to people

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who are trying to learn English as a second language.

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We do not learn grammar to that high of a level

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when we are in school. We can tell you the difference

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between a noun and a verb and an adjective, of

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course. We know what pronouns are, but we don't

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know every single little tiny rule. And I don't

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really know why when you are learning a second

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language, grammar gets taught so much. Why verb

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tenses get stressed so much. I don't think that

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is really necessary. One time I saw another English

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teacher. And he was saying that every time he

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teaches his students a new verb, he makes them

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write the verb in a sentence in every single

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verb tense. So they have to give him 19 different

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sentences with all of these different verb tenses.

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And I just thought that was a little ridiculous.

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Maybe that is your style. Maybe you really love

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grammar, but I thought it was a waste of time.

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I think it is so much more important to acquire

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a language, to listen to native content, to have

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your brain absorb the material by having that

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contact time with a language. And I think that's

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really way more important than learning every

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single tiny little grammar rule about the English

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language. We have talked a number of times about

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the input hypothesis about Steve Kaufman and

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Steve Krashen. I will leave links to the episodes

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where I have talked about the input hypothesis,

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but I think it's so much more important for your

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brain to be exposed to the language and just

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naturally absorb the language, and I don't think

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that if you're spending all of your time on grammar

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that it's an effective use of your time. And

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the last con is the risk of relying on your native

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language. Now, I said it was a pro that someone

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who speaks your language is able to explain something

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to you if you're confused. If you don't understand

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what they're saying in English, they can switch

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and explain it to you in your native language.

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And that's really a huge pro. I think that is

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a great thing. However, If you are relying on

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that too much, that really risks wasting your

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time. If you are spending the entire lesson in

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your native language and not in English, that

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really is a waste of time. You want to try to

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spend as much time as you can in English. This

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can be very difficult as a beginner, and I understand

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that. But once you get to the point where you

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can spend more time in English, you really want

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to do that. It is much easier to speak in your

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native language, right? We all know that. I am

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the most comfortable speaking in English. But

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if I'm trying to learn another language, I want

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to try to speak and listen to that native language

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as much as possible. I don't want to spend my

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entire lesson in English if I don't have to.

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And I've had this experience. I have had students

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who are Spanish speaking students who want to

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speak Spanish with me. I will ask them a question

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in English. They will struggle to try to answer

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and then they'll just go right into Spanish and

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want to stay in Spanish. And they'll start talking

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to me in Spanish. And when they say something,

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I will respond in English because I am trying

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to push them out of that habit. it is a lot easier

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it would be fun to just have a conversation in

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spanish but they can already do that you have

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friends you have family members who speak your

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native language if you are taking a lesson you

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want to try to live with that uncomfortableness

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of speaking a different language it is uncomfortable

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it is a struggle but you have to embrace that

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so if you are going to use someone who is not

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a native english speaker but speaks your language

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as well as English, really push yourself and

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just keep that in mind to try to spend as much

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time as you can in English. I hope you enjoyed

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this episode. I hope it helped you with the pros

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and some of the potential cons of having a non

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-native English speaking teacher. I hope I was

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able to cover a lot of the benefits and some

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of the potential challenges so you're better

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able to decide what type of teacher you would

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like to have on your next stage of your English

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learning journey. I also hope you were able to

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reflect and think back on the types of teachers

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you have had in the past. If you have had a non

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-native speaking teacher, please tell me about

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it and let me know. Let me know if I missed any

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of the pros that maybe you experienced or any

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of the potential cons. I would love to know more

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about people's experiences. Like I said, this

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list was really... from my students who I've

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had who have told me about this and their experience

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with having a non -native English speaking teacher.

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But tell me about it if I missed anything or

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if you agree or disagree with anything that I

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