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Welcome back everybody to another episode of the JMO Podcast.

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I'm your host, Taylor Michaels, and our guest this episode, we've got John Hoyer back on

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the show.

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If you're not following John on social media, whether it's Instagram or Facebook, go ahead

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and do that.

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It's one of the most entertaining, one of the most fun and educational social medias

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that you could possibly be following out there.

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And also, tour level gold is a big part of this conversation as well.

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We've talked about it before on this show, but go to YouTube if you haven't already,

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go to YouTube and type in tour level gold, find that content, and binge watch it if you

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haven't already.

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And if you have, go check it out again.

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Obviously, can't promote that sort of stuff enough.

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And that's a big part of this conversation.

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We're going to get a fishing update, of course, from John.

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We're going to get some great tournament fishing stories from so far this 2024 season.

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We forecast a little bit for the NWT Championship on Lake Huron that's right around the corner.

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But also, we just spent a bunch of time talking about tour level gold, which I think is, you

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know, from a media content creation standpoint in walleye fishing specifically, it's one

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of the most fun things that's out there right now.

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It's one of the most influential and just fun new things that the walleye anglers are

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able to enjoy.

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And so, we're going to talk about it, get more backstory, just get more fun behind the

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scenes conversation about tour level gold in this.

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So, we'll talk fishing, talk tour level gold.

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It's John Hoyer.

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Check it out.

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That link is in the description.

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I want to take a minute to address a list of very important topics this time of year,

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especially here in the state of North Dakota, where hunting seasons are already underway.

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Number one, we need to be respectful of each other when we encounter other hunters in the

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field, whether you're recreating on private or public land.

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If you're interacting with a landowner or just other hunters in the field, we have to

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be able to interact respectfully and be cool with each other.

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Leave gates as you find them every time you go through, regardless, again, on private

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or public land.

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Check if land is posted physically or electronically when we're parking our decoy trailers or small

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boat trailer on public roadways.

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We have to keep the roadway clear so other vehicles or farm equipment can pass through.

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Be respectful of that.

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And picking up our trash has to be a major priority.

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Now, accidents happen when we get back to the truck and we're in a hurry and it's after

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dark, something falls out your door, but let's cut down on the accidents.

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Let's cut down on the excuses.

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Check around your vehicle once, twice or three times before you leave every single time and

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we can cut down on the trash that is left out on the landscape.

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That's always a big one every year.

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If we can do these things, then we're doing our part to hunt for tomorrow.

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And of course, I want to wish everybody a safe and successful season.

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For updates on hunting seasons, hunting regulations, seasonal updates, head to the North Dakota

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We got a couple of things.

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There's a couple of notes written down.

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I got a bit of an agenda for you for this.

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That being said though, real easy.

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What's the update?

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It's like a pretty interesting season, a lot of fun storylines going on, the NWT season

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specifically this year.

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What's the update on wildlife fishing this summer?

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What are some of the notable things that we should touch on?

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What were some of the fun memories, the highs and lows, whatever it is?

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What's the update right now before we get into some of these hotter topics?

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The update, if your listeners haven't seen yet, is that our team, which is Dewey, Dustin,

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Manky and myself, are officially back on the map.

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After the first one at Erie, we made some noise.

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We were kind of commanding the wildlife news cycle from the championship all the way then

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again to the first tournament.

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That's really a gratifying feeling.

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But then these young guys all of a sudden took over and they were top 10-ing everything.

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The next two tournaments, Dewey and I slide down to like sixth and seventh for angler

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of the year and we're joking in camp about how her has beens and washed up.

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And then lo and behold, the nice little Missouri River event comes on the calendar and our

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boy Dewey Jelm wins that tournament.

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And that was like the first thing I said to him was like, we're back.

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Just in time for the championship.

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Put these guys on notice.

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We're not screwing around the rest of the year.

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They had their chance in the spotlight, but our goal is to win out here.

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And yeah, that risk of sounding cocky or arrogant, that was actually kind of going on.

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We're joking about it, but we're kind of serious.

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That's the Kakowice tournament.

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I'm a little biased.

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I really enjoyed the headlines and all that.

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And I tried to co-angle that.

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I just never got the call to be in it.

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But that being said, tell me a little bit about this Kakowice tournament.

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How did it go, man?

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I know you enjoy coming out here and fishing.

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You get to fish.

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You share camp with Dewey, who's literally like the crown prince of the Missouri River

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system right now by way of walleye tournament angling.

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So tell me a little bit more of the details of Sakakowice, kind of how it went and any

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of the high points of it.

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Yeah, I mean, that one was super gratifying for sure.

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When I look back at my pre-fish and whether we win or we do well, we top 10 or we completely

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tank, I always want to look back at pre-fish and really figure out where it went wrong.

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And I think those are the biggest lessons learned for myself personally, because the

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things I learned a lot of practice are trying to big picture things.

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But it's like, OK, how did he win in that area?

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OK, I didn't look at that the last five days of practice.

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I wrote it off in essence.

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Did we all write it off, say shallow weeds or something like that?

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So did we all write it off in the first three days of practice and never return to that?

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OK, yeah, that does kind of happen.

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But we found them out deep.

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And hindsight is 20-20.

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So that doesn't really bother me.

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But when I looked at Sakakawea, I was just like flowing around the reservoir.

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It was kind of funny.

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I cracked the code in the back of the creek arms because of the rising water right away.

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And then I kind of shared that with Dewey and Dusty.

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And then, I don't know, one day I went up by myself and I was in a different area of

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the lake.

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And I'm like, well, what about out in these like big current areas?

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And I'm like, well, there's a bunch of big ones out here that barely want to bite at

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all, but they're the right fish also.

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And then I leave that whole upper midsection of the lake from Van Hook down to the Deacon

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after literally having 25 pounds every day or more.

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And I just go to the very far east end where I have friends that have fishing the lake.

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I have a guide friend who guides the lake.

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And it was funny.

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I talked to him on the phone and he's like, basically like, I wouldn't waste my time from,

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and I don't know all the creek arms, but I think it was like the western third of that

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main east-west stretch.

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So down from the beacon.

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He's like, they just aren't down there on the far east end.

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They're not to the dam.

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They're not this.

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And that two days later, I was just like, I'm going to put in at the launch in Garrison

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and I don't know, go look around.

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And I find colder water, way less bait, way less walleyes.

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But lo and behold, I weigh like 27 pounds.

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And that was the first day down there.

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And then I tell Dewey that, and I don't know if he came down the next day or the third

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day, but I think it was the next day.

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So I'm like, yeah, man, we got to look at all this.

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So that was the day we literally fished sun up to sun down like 15 hours and caught so

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many five plus pounders.

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It was unbelievable.

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I found this school that was like a Lake Erie school.

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It's stretched for five or six miles.

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And if people know like forward facing sonar on Sakakawea, a lot of my earlier fishing

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in the week was like, oh, you make a cast at a noteworthy one, like every five minutes,

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10 minutes, if you're in the right area, like a big one.

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I was literally casting every 30 seconds for, I had my trolling motor in for six miles at

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one point.

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And it was so fun, but it was still absolutely tedious.

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You get one out of eight to bite when they're biting or one out of six.

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And then you get like one out of 20 to bite when they weren't biting.

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But there was just so many targets.

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It was game on.

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And ultimately that's the zone that Dewey won in, that region, I guess, at Kana, not

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really any specific zone.

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We covered a lot of water in the tournament, but yeah, I could look at and say, what mistakes

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did I make?

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But the reality was it was a roll of the dice.

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Like each day I casted to 30, 40, 50 big ones and could have easily had, you know, those

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five big bites each day, had them nip, had them chase and just wasn't there at the exact

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right minute, basically is what it came down to.

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So the other thing that was really interesting, I don't know if Dewey touched on it in your

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podcast, but about 95% of those fish, I'm talking N thousand walleyes, about 95% of

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them shifted somewhere.

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If it was open water, I'm not sure, but they were in essence gone.

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And for both days of the tournament.

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So like a stretch of a quarter mile where you literally saw a hundred big ones, there

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was like two or three and the odds went way down to catch them.

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So to hear like how early he weighed in, I mean, kudos to him.

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He sat down in the right areas at the right time, made the right cast, did the right finishing

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moves and yeah, he earned it.

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Like that was, that was not as easy as it looked on paper.

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Yeah, it's like something speaks to him.

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You know, when down on Owhahi for the South Dakota Gov Cup and cause that was no cup of

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tea either.

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That was, you know, by anybody's standards.

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And we talked about it and everything.

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I mean, that, that wasn't like a phenomenal bite.

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Like it can be, and there was the NWT on Sakakawea, you know, going into that tournament, there'd

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been, you know, that stretch of the summer there, that early July, like it wasn't a super

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funny, easy bite there either for anybody or certainly the locals.

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So yeah, there was a, in hindsight is a lot of fun to talk about them.

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But you know, when it was happening, it was kind of, everybody was just kind of holding

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onto their seat a little bit to see, you know, what the weights were going to be and how

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the bite was going to be for everybody who was going to find what.

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But you know, hearing your story like that, you know, just like thinking about, you know,

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tournament fishing, when you go to a destination and you're breaking it down, when you start,

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when the days of pre-fish start racking up and you're trying different things, but you're

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having success like each day, like on different types of things, like how much is too much?

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Like when do you got to draw the line and stop looking for a new pattern and just start

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really sort of refining the things that you are finding if you are finding success or,

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or isn't there one?

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Do you feel like the more patterns right up until tournament day, the more patterns, the

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more spots, the more different things you can find is just purely confidence.

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Like I'm just so curious about that because my head would be spinning if I had confidence

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in shallow weeds and then I moved out and found something deep and then I switched ends

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of the lake and they're here too.

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Like, you know, I'd be like, yeah, I wouldn't know what to do with all that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it can definitely create a scenario that's not helpful, but in reality, the, the

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other side of that coin is like, oh my gosh, we have nothing.

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And then it's, you can have success.

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Like I've had plenty of success in tournaments with very few spots.

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I think that's a lot of the reason why when we go to a new body of water, I've never

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fished.

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I generally do pretty well.

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You know, spring Valley, Dunkirk for the first time ever that time of year.

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Devil's Lake for the first time in September was 2019.

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So yeah, I mean, having, having a couple zones and like, but having good fish there, you

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know, you could sit in one there.

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You could have sat in a couple of those points or whatever on Sakakawea and just went over

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them and over them and over them.

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And those fish would have turned on.

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You could have caught the exact same weight.

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Dewey could have won the tournament in a one, you know, one mile stretch or a half a mile

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stretch.

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That was what was going on there.

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So when you get to the other side of it, I mean, for myself, I don't know, I think that's

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one thing that's driven me in fishing is like, as soon as something gets predictable, like

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every cast, even before forward facing sonar, I wouldn't say before a side scan, but you

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know, there was times on Mille Lacs or anywhere where it would be every cast with a jig and

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a Shiner.

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And I am wired to that, like after three casts, I'm already thinking like, what else?

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And you know, what else will they bite?

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They're biting everything.

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Will they bite something this dumb?

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Will they bite something this fast?

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Will they bite something this big?

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So that's just kind of how I'm eternally wired going forward.

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And so what that looks like in practice is sometimes it looks like a chicken with their

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head cut off and nothing continues to work and waste a lot of time and maybe probably

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don't do that well in the tournament.

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But other times it's like Sakakawea where it's just flowing and you know, the ideas

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are coming really clearly and yeah, I am going to try.

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Well they should be out here.

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There's people salmon fishing out here, like big wall.

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I see the same food as salmon, you know, so stuff like that where it's just like, it's

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coming to you and boom, it's working.

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And you do end up with a big, you know, shopping list of spots for the tournament.

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But you know, lo and behold, Sakakawea, the Great Lakes, there's going to be wind and

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there's going to be travel calculations.

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So I think kind of the more the merrier when it comes down to that.

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And I don't know, the way we fish in tournaments nowadays, you know, we cover quite a bit of

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water in the tournament and I really don't mind going into an area with like very little,

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very little history.

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Just because it allows me to fish quick, not really have any preconceived notions in the

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area like this is my best area from practice.

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I'm going to spend two hours here.

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I'm going to spend 15 minutes on my best area in practice from seven days and it was good

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every single day or something like that.

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It just allows you to kind of fish a little cleat or freer in the tournament and not have

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any preconceived notions.

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Yeah, because that is the tough part for those of us that don't know what we're doing.

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You know, actually recently I was talking to Joe Okada, good guy.

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And you know, he was fortunate to go fish Fort Peck, the Montana Gov Cup for the first

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time, or Fort Peck for the first time in his life for that tournament.

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And the thing that he enjoyed the most is that he was on a body of water that he had

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no waypoints and it was so freeing to him.

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And I thought that was like a fun, interesting, you know, somebody that fishes tournaments,

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high level tournaments for a long time, there's probably fewer and fewer first times, quote

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unquote, first places, you know, like you go to all these places and there's like very

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few that you haven't been to.

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But when you finally get to one where you don't have waypoints, like that's fun probably.

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And yeah, like you said, to be free, it's hard to be objective like that when you have

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memories or even just memories from pre-fish.

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You start to feel like you owe a spot when it's going and pre-fishing tournament day.

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It's hard to go in there and they're gone.

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And it's hard to make that shift when you've just got you've got so much, you know, emotional

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sort of equity in a spot like that, man.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah, I don't I don't get over that very easily.

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I yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's like a badge of honor.

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If I can put my stole my trolling motor and leave a spot that was good yesterday, I'm

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not good at that.

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But last tournament thing, I want to talk about some other stuff with you for sure.

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But last like tournament topic, I talked to Jay Siemens yesterday and he was telling me

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some stories about Lake of the Woods tournament that you guys fish together and it sounded

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like you guys had a gas.

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I'm curious to hear what what that experience was like for you, how much you enjoyed Lake

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of the Woods and fishing up there.

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Any interesting memories from that from a fishing standpoint?

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And then I'm going to ask you what it was like to fish with Jay, man.

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So what's the story up there?

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The story up there was whenever I thought of Canadian while I fishing on Lake of the

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Woods, the Canadian side of Lake of the Woods, I thought like eaters and, you know, occasional

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big fish here and there.

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Like if I looked at Lake of the Woods, I would in the end and know the history of Big Traverse

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Bay, you know, the American side of it.

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It's like, well, that's their summer home.

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That's the big basin.

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That's all the forage.

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The whole ecosystem like ends up in Big Traverse Bay and everything else is just, you know,

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some percentage as good as that.

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But then I go up there and Jay has some history from the Knorr while I open and some of its

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normal tournament stuff like, you know, I fished this region of the lake this year.

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We did we took fifth this year down here.

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We did this.

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We did that.

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But, you know, a lot of guys are running in this direction.

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And you know, there's like kind of lake trout water over there.

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It's different ecosystem.

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I'm like, sweet.

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Well, let's just start in that area.

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Sounds like a lot of fun.

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And just put me in the region.

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I'll see what I can see.

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I'll see what I can find.

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And I was joking with him.

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I'm like, you only need two lures in the summertime for walleyes.

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It's a heavy glide bait and a jig and a crawler or something else.

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They're really, really negative.

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But I'm like, I'll be throwing the same lure the whole time.

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He's like, sweet.

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So anyways, we the way practice started, it was like we went to that region.

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It's kind of basically west of Canora.

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There's just tons of islands and basins and stuff.

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And I put the trolling motor in and at first we started in a bay and caught like a ton

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and caught him up to like 25, 26 inches out 30 feet.

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And then we kept going.

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I remember putting the trolling motor in and on my forward facing sonar, I had three of

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them that were like eight plus pounders.

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And on my scout mode, I could see like six or eight of them.

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And I hadn't even moved the trolling motor yet.

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I literally just put it in randomly on a shoreline.

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And I was like, holy cow, Jay.

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And I grabbed my rod and like make one cast.

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And I don't remember if I caught one the first cast or not.

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But overall, those Lake in the Woods walleyes on the Canadian side, they are the friendliest

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walleyes I've ever seen in my life.

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To sum it up, I did the rough math, but in like five days of fishing, I had somewhere

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around 60 walleyes over 28 inches.

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And that was the percentage of fish that I cast at other than the tournament.

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Like they were definitely, you know, there was some feeding windows and stuff like that.

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But and then I was only casting at like the really big ones because we needed to upgrade,

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you know, whatever we had on 29 incher right away in the morning that Jay caught like a

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second cast, which I say that in a matter of fact, I caught a 29 and a half my first

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cast on day two.

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He caught a 29 or whatever, 29 incher on his second cast of day one.

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So we thought we were doing pretty good and then these local hammers that are they do

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really well in bass terms and win all those.

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They've also done very well with KWO.

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They like they were fishing way less numbers of big ones, I think, or just more isolated

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stuff.

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And you know, they had a 30 and three quarters day one and a 31 and a quarter day two.

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So where I thought like we'll be in the top five, we got almost a 30 incher.

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We got pretty good unders on day one and like we were in 12th place or something.

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I think we ended in 12th place and we upgraded to like a 30 and a half on day two.

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So yeah, well, I'm definitely not the only person that knows how to catch walleyes in

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the canora area.

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And like kudos to the rest of those guys.

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They are dialed in up there and everybody smoked them.

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It was unbelievable.

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I want to take a minute to address a list of very important topics this time of year,

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especially here in the state of North Dakota, where hunting seasons are already underway.

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Number one, we need to be respectful of each other when we encounter other hunters in the

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field, whether you're recreating on private or public land.

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If you're interacting with a landowner or just other hunters in the field, we have to

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be able to interact respectfully and be cool with each other.

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Leave gates as you find them every time you go through, regardless again on private or

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public land.

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Check if land is posted physically or electronically.

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When we're parking our decoy trailers or small boat trailer on public roadways, we have to

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keep the roadway clear so other vehicles or farm equipment can pass through.

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Be respectful of that.

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And picking up our trash has to be a major priority.

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Now accidents happen when we get back to the truck and we're in a hurry and it's after

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dark, something falls out your door, but let's cut down on the accidents.

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Let's cut down on the excuses.

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Check around your vehicle once, twice or three times before you leave every single time and

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we can cut down on the trash that is left out on the landscape.

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It's always a big one every year.

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If we can do these things, then we're doing our part to hunt for tomorrow.

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And of course, I want to wish everybody a safe and successful season.

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For updates on hunting seasons, hunting regulations, seasonal updates, head to the North Dakota

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That link is in the description of this podcast.

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One thing that I find interesting with like tournament anglers, high level tournament

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anglers is like you go somewhere and you pre-fish for however long you pre-fish and you're breaking

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down a strategy and you're all good at it.

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And like, you know, there's all these different scenarios that play in your head.

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It's like, you know exactly what it's like to go to pressured bodies of water and fish

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a big high level tournament against, you know, however many boats where it's going to be

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super competitive for spots and fish have pressure.

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And you know, it's like it's that dream to find a wrinkle or find a little spot where

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there's fish that are just seeing a little bit less pressure or you got to completely

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refine your tactics to catch pressured fish when you're in and amongst other boats or

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whatever.

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So you go to a place that, you know, is just like endless bodies of water and you're fishing

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fish that, you know, I mean I guess they, you know, they act like they're unpressured.

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Like is there like a push pull in your brain sometimes?

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Like can you switch that real easy and be like, okay, like I'm fishing unpressured fish.

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I don't need to spend so much time finding a complete wrinkle in all this.

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Like I just got to figure out like where the biggest fish are and how many of them I can

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catch.

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Like I'm curious about that stuff and just do you ever just like laugh about that when

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you're in the boat catching Lake of the Woods walleyes of Jay Siemens?

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Oh, we were laughing and laughing and laughing.

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We couldn't stop laughing.

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Yeah, like it's exactly what you're saying.

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It just turns into, I mean, a really beautiful scenario where it's just power fishing and

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I don't even have to, I get to shut my brain off for presentation and now we're only looking

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for location.

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I mean, that's heaven on earth.

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And the one part I didn't mention was I told him like day one, I mean, we drove however

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many miles, 20 miles or something.

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And it was the most beautiful, coolest boat run, obviously ever.

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If you look at a map of Lake of the Woods, it looks, it looks very intimidating, but

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for any of your listeners that I a hundred percent, you have to go up there.

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You will have success.

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Like I'm talking about to some degree, but you know, the routes, the trails, they're

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all marked on all the maps, you know, the predominant trails.

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Then you just need to like the current stuff around Kenora would get a little, a little

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weird.

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But if you always remember red, right return when you're returning upstream or returning

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to port, which is usually returning to street upstream.

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Like if you just remember that and keep saying that to yourself, when you take off out of

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Kenora, you're going to be completely fine as far as like lower unit and rocks.

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Like there's so many buoys.

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It's perfectly marked, but you know, we're snaking through all these islands and islands

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and islands and basins and that sunrise on day one.

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It was like, oh my gosh, life is so good.

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I'm with one of my favorite humans in the world.

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We're driving by Ranger 621 at like 68 miles an hour on Lake of the Woods.

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And we're going to go destroy huge walleyes when we get there.

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I mean, it was like goosebumps the whole way.

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00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,860
And that was the amount of fun we had.

456
00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:32,160
He actually just texted me this morning saying that his next YouTube video is going to be

457
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,160
the recap of that tournament.

458
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,360
And I mean, he has like a hundred big walleye catches on film.

459
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,660
So if you watch, you need to watch the video, but if you do, you realize it's good.

460
00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:47,800
There's no way he's going to show even a tenth of all those.

461
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,320
But that was the vibe the whole time.

462
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,320
I mean, it was awesome.

463
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,080
I was staying at Jay's house.

464
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,160
His family is really cool.

465
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,160
Christian family.

466
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,240
His son, Hanan, his wife, Sam, like they were, they were just straight up cooking meals

467
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,240
for us.

468
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,720
No matter what time we came back, they'd wait for us.

469
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,040
And we're out there like we're feeling bad because we're having so much fun.

470
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,040
We're catching so many walleyes.

471
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,840
And then we show up to this beautiful homemade meal every night.

472
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,480
It was just, yeah, it was awesome.

473
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,520
I can't stop smiling talking about it.

474
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Yeah, man.

475
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,640
That was the sense I got talking to Jay about it too.

476
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,800
It's like he just, I mean, yeah.

477
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,120
And, and you know, and then, so I had to ask him, you know, it's like, okay.

478
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,160
He had the opportunity to spend some days in the boat with John Hoyer.

479
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,480
You know, what were the big takeaways?

480
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,880
Obviously he had high praise and you know, he learned a lot and, and, and, but just ultimately

481
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,080
just enjoyed his time.

482
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,240
So I would ask you the same question.

483
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,220
What were the big takeaways for you fishing with Jay specifically?

484
00:29:43,220 --> 00:29:45,960
What like, what are, what's it like to fish with Jay?

485
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Like what's the, what are the, what's the vibes?

486
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,760
Like what are you learning stuff?

487
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,760
Like, like what's going to be your ultimately your memory fishing with Jay?

488
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,720
I mean, I fished with Jay before.

489
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,040
So again, like the number one thing is his positive attitude.

490
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,840
And I think all tournament anglers can take, you know, have a takeaway for that for a tournament,

491
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:12,120
but overall, honestly for life, like he's such a positive dude that you can't help but

492
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,120
be positive.

493
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,480
And it's so fun to like watch him.

494
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,480
Like when we were trying to upgrade our unders, this was like, we're looking at hundreds and

495
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:27,120
hundreds of hundreds of like 14 to 15 inches, some 16s, some of the beautiful 16 and a half.

496
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,720
So like they weren't biting that good.

497
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,160
And we're in like attack mode.

498
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,960
And you know, still when he sets the hook, he's like, well, yeah, there we go.

499
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Little better, little better.

500
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Okay.

501
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,960
Not it.

502
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,960
Oh, not better.

503
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,960
Okay.

504
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,240
So I think that's like number one.

505
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:49,160
I will say on a, on a technical part, saw a lot of those Canadian anglers fishing a

506
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,360
drop shot.

507
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,800
And it makes a ton of sense because, you know, to set a bobber at a depth, the, the, the

508
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,920
terrain is so rugged.

509
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:04,040
The spots are, they vary in depth so much that like the guys that one saw them start

510
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,040
with a drop shot.

511
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,120
Jay, you know, you could tell his go-to was a drop shot.

512
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,040
And when I watched some of his videos back, you know, he's caught a lot of fish on that,

513
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,760
but I know that's like one of those confidence lures.

514
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,480
And that is one huge thing I learned was like, it's just like small mouth.

515
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,480
You throw that thing out there.

516
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,920
It's not always instant, but you know, you get to watch them on active target or live

517
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,120
scope and they'll, they'll swim around that thing.

518
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,120
They'll swim around it.

519
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,120
They'll look at it.

520
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,200
And then they know like they shouldn't, they can't really resist that thing down there.

521
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:43,280
So yeah, that was one big takeaway for myself was like how much confidence all those Canadian

522
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,080
guys have in a drop shot for walleyes.

523
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,960
What I really wanted to talk to him, we got plenty of time to kind of spend on this.

524
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,480
I want to have a conversation about tour level gold.

525
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,480
I feel like is having such an interesting and cool impact on the industry, the way you

526
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:03,600
guys produce it, the fact that it's, you know, it's, it's depicting a competition and, but

527
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,660
it's got so much personality and like the personal side of things besides just the fishing,

528
00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:13,360
it's got like enough fishing to captivate walleye anglers or traditional wall anglers, but the

529
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,440
production and all those other things that I listed, it's like, it really is kind of

530
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:24,000
the only thing out there right now that really opens itself up to so many other viewers.

531
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,760
And it's definitely bringing new people or new eyeballs that weren't there at all before

532
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,960
to the tournament scene, just to walleye fishing in general.

533
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,040
And you know, just, just, I feel like it's, you know, we're getting to towards the end

534
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,280
of the second season of it.

535
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,880
And I think that it's just having a tremendous impact.

536
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,000
So it's one of my favorite stories in walleye fishing right now.

537
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,840
And I want to have the opportunity to kind of maybe get a little bit of an update or

538
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,560
sort of a synopsis like on tour level goal.

539
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:58,360
I got some specific questions, but what's sort of the, what is sort of the fun update

540
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,520
from your end?

541
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:05,200
I mean, you're there at the inception, like, you know, where has tour level gold gotten

542
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,440
to now and what is sort of like the fun update on your end?

543
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,780
I mean, a lot of it is, you know, everything you just mentioned, how it started, what happened

544
00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:22,800
last year was literally, you know, Brett Carlson, if he's listening, he said we caught lightning

545
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,400
in a bottle last year.

546
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:31,280
And I mean, when we did, obviously the number of wins that characters of tour level gold

547
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,840
had was, it was hilarious.

548
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,480
And obviously the stars have to align because there's a lot of good anglers on the national

549
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,480
walleye tour.

550
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,660
So like we started and we have the year of years, which, you know, we were sitting there

551
00:33:44,660 --> 00:33:49,120
after the first season and it was like, I mean, I think that some of our viewers would

552
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,700
like to see us fail, you know, and rightfully so now that they had anything against us,

553
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:59,600
but it would like show the other side of what a bad practice looks like, you know, stuff

554
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,100
that we've all seen in our days of tournament fishing.

555
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:05,020
And they happen way more often than not.

556
00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:09,400
But the whole first season, like we barely had any of that other than, you know, Owens

557
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,480
mechanical breakdown and Winnebago that was very eye opening, I'm sure for some people

558
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,800
like this stuff happens.

559
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,260
He has zero chance of like top 10 in this tournament now.

560
00:34:20,260 --> 00:34:26,440
And you know, mechanical breakdown or, you know, if you looked at the Green Bay episode,

561
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,200
I don't, they didn't have all the lines I said to my, my partners at camp, but I was

562
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,440
like, I'm not keeping a five pounder in the first hour.

563
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,760
I'm I'm going for 24 pounds for three fish.

564
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Like this all of a sudden changed everything.

565
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,720
And you want to put that on the list of how confident was I going into a tournament?

566
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:51,000
Not five of all time.

567
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,940
As far as like good luck rest of the field, you're going to need it.

568
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:59,720
And then I, in essence, I catch one while I had day one, all my fish are all gone.

569
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:03,560
Everything I found that last day of practice, which completely changed my whole mood of

570
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,560
practice.

571
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,520
You know, if, if you didn't get that from the Green Bay tournament, I was like, it was

572
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,120
laughable how bad I did in that tournament.

573
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,360
So you know, that was kind of a cool thing, but yeah, I mean, more media, Logan, especially

574
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,280
he does such an amazing job editing that stuff.

575
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,200
And now we have these kind of ebb and flow of these storylines.

576
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:33,360
One of the one that makes me laugh is how we've just started kind of documenting the

577
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:38,080
eternal trash talking that Max Wilson and I do to each other.

578
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:44,160
And so Logan plays like the, you know, almost the whole interaction at the end of the tournament.

579
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,440
And he doesn't have a couple of lines like after Max walks away, I'm like, isn't that

580
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,040
funny how he has to think like three or four seconds longer than I do to come up with his

581
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,760
comeback and then they're not even really that good.

582
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:02,240
And so like there's beyond what he showed is like actually how Max and I, you know,

583
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,000
usually talk to each other, not pre-tournament.

584
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,000
That's kind of bad luck.

585
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,480
You know, that is like gentlemen style.

586
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,480
Good luck.

587
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,480
Thanks.

588
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,480
Good luck to you.

589
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,480
I don't mean it.

590
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,480
No, I don't either.

591
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,400
But you know, we're at Sacakawea and Dewey wins.

592
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,000
We're all kind of like dazed and confused.

593
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,480
I hadn't eaten anything.

594
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:27,280
I look over there's Max and I think he cashed a check right there.

595
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,240
You know, yeah, I think he did.

596
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,000
But I look over Logan's kind of done.

597
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,920
Like he has all the stuff like we're just kind of hanging out waiting to get our checks

598
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,920
and stuff.

599
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,160
And I look over, I see Max, I'm like, ooh, there's Max.

600
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,000
We should probably go light him up a bit, ask him what happened day two.

601
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,920
And Logan, I'm like, Logan, you got any memory space left on that card?

602
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,920
He's like, oh yeah, I'm like, let's go.

603
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,640
So I don't know if that's going to show, but I, you know, I go over there and literally

604
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,000
try to belittle him as much as possible.

605
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
And it's all, it's all fun loving.

606
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,880
He's a super smart dude.

607
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,200
And he, he has like some of the best one-liners to me I've ever heard, like ones that will

608
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,200
literally make me laugh.

609
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,280
Like I have no come back for that Max.

610
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,000
So that's what I'm trying to get out of him.

611
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:20,800
He has some gems and he didn't really show it at that Green Bay interaction, that long

612
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,240
version, but there's been times where I literally am like, wow, nice work, buddy.

613
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:27,240
You win.

614
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:28,240
Yeah.

615
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,320
Probably when the cameras are on, he's probably takes two or three seconds to think before

616
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,240
he speaks in those moments when the camera's on.

617
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:37,120
He wouldn't have to if the camera was there.

618
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,120
Probably you got to forget.

619
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,280
You got to tell Logan to get a little longer lens and stand back a little farther.

620
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,280
So Max, as I know he's there.

621
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,280
Yeah, that's a good point.

622
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,280
For sure.

623
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,280
I agree.

624
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,280
That would be good.

625
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,280
Or a second camera angle.

626
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,280
Yeah.

627
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,160
But I think overall, like if you ask the people around us, I mean the overall score of like

628
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,000
the trash talking score is, I mean, I'm winning for sure.

629
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,960
There's no question about it.

630
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,120
And for whatever, you know, my whole life, I've usually been able to come up with something

631
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,420
funny to say to like end the conversation like that.

632
00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:12,440
So I'm winning, but I will give him credit for his quality, like comebacks and stuff.

633
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,640
He's had some of the best.

634
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,080
So there's an asterisk there, but I guarantee you I'm crushing him overall.

635
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,200
Well, so with the tour level goal, this is one of my direct questions because I think

636
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,540
that I think there's always something interesting with like content creation and the art form,

637
00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:29,840
you know, because this is art.

638
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,760
I mean, the production level on this, like it's a crew of you, you know, like you'll

639
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:41,840
from the idea in the beginning or say from that first episode to now, like what are some

640
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,280
of the what are some of the big realizations?

641
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,520
Like what what has sort of become of this that you were did not see?

642
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,660
What's been some of the feedback that, you know, you just, you know, wouldn't have sort

643
00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:58,160
of thought of or wasn't a part of the idea originally?

644
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:05,160
I mean, for myself, you know, we've all seen similar productions or, you know, there's

645
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,280
bass guys like Grant and Polina does an amazing job.

646
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:15,880
But you know, you go back to Jay Siemens, why are his YouTube videos the best?

647
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Because he is passionate about the cinematography.

648
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,640
So like, you don't know why, you know, I know why I love watching Jay's stuff.

649
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,520
It's like the effort he puts in the hours has the drone sunrise shots and like the your

650
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,480
mind just is drawn to that stuff.

651
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,580
And then guess what?

652
00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:34,440
Really cool fishing information.

653
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,800
There's some like, I don't know if that's a word, but like escapism.

654
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,500
I mean, I know that's a normal thing for human nature.

655
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,360
I want to watch stuff that's filmed in Canada.

656
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:49,580
So originally, when I when we filmed the first series of Spring Valley for myself, it was

657
00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:55,080
honestly just the fact that, OK, they are not like Logan and Adam.

658
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,280
They're not a burden in the boat.

659
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,220
Either is the follow boat.

660
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:00,600
They have a tracker on us.

661
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,800
They're going to be able to just find us.

662
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,240
I don't have to worry about that.

663
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:07,160
I don't care if they just showed up a second before I'm leaving.

664
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,320
Like I know them well enough.

665
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,780
They know that we're making hard decisions here.

666
00:40:11,780 --> 00:40:16,900
So all that stuff that I was like kind of skeptical about, and I was like, I'll do the

667
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:22,360
first episode of Spring Valley and we'll see from there.

668
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:29,000
It was all just like all those qualms or like preconceived notions I had about how this is

669
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,800
going to go and is it going to affect me negatively in practice and in the tournament?

670
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,360
They're all gone when I saw the production value.

671
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,880
And then it was like, oh, my gosh, we need to make this happen.

672
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,320
We have to we have to fill the next tournament.

673
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,120
So that's kind of like the underlying story for myself.

674
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,640
Why I have so much fun when Logan and Adam show up because I know what the finished product

675
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,360
looks like.

676
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,360
And you're right.

677
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,360
I mean, it's 100 percent.

678
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,880
It's an art form.

679
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,680
And it's really fun for me because I've done a lot of photo and video shoots like in the

680
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,680
fishing industry.

681
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,840
But then you watch like the angles these guys are doing and they're shooting into the sun

682
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,440
here and why.

683
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,560
And seeing how they capture it and how efficient they are at it.

684
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,240
And then also knowing how many hours it takes to edit.

685
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,320
Like Logan literally starts the day he gets back.

686
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:29,440
And when you see that that episode released, that's every day from the time he gets back

687
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,800
to that episode.

688
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,120
That's how many hours are involved in editing one of those episodes.

689
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,320
So yeah, that's kind of all that stuff.

690
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,760
And then as far as like, you know, how are we going to stay?

691
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,560
Look, you know, I'm a hyper critic, but, you know, is this going to get boring?

692
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,960
You know, tournament to tournament.

693
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,940
But I think that's what continues to captivate myself.

694
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:58,120
And I assume for others is like, A, the art side of it, the cinematography.

695
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,860
But then B, this is a new tournament.

696
00:42:00,860 --> 00:42:02,200
These are different bodies of water.

697
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,960
The tournament angler maybe has never been to Lake Huron.

698
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,440
They want to see what that looks like.

699
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,280
What does that feel like?

700
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,200
What does it feel like when you're, you know, in the lead at Devil's Lake and the championship

701
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,560
on the final day?

702
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,060
How is John feeling?

703
00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:18,060
What is Max feeling?

704
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:19,280
Like all that stuff.

705
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,500
Once you get, once you start, you know, getting emotionally invested in the characters and

706
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:28,240
maybe like, oh, and cause he's the youngest, he's got the steepest hill to climb.

707
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,600
You know, people get emotionally invested in us because now they get to know us.

708
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,280
You don't, you don't ultimately know somebody from social media.

709
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,040
But I will say like, when you start watching YouTube, like Jay Siemens, you know what that

710
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,800
guy's like, cause you've seen him for, you've watched 40 hours of his YouTube stuff.

711
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,800
You know what that guy's like.

712
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,080
And lo and behold, when you meet him in person, he's the exact same way.

713
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,080
He's just like that.

714
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:59,040
So yeah, that's kind of the overall picture of True Level Gold in my mind.

715
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,040
Yeah.

716
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,400
And, and you know, I think that that last point, that last element is such a big one

717
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:10,280
with, you know, with the content creation, it's like, how do you have, how do you have

718
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,400
an original idea that's not so original that it, you know, can't be consumed, you know,

719
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,520
because you want to have a good idea.

720
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,720
You want it to have like a good positive purpose.

721
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,900
And you know, we're all looking for a job in the industry.

722
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:25,480
And so it's like, you know, is this, is this thing like really, you know, worth all of

723
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:31,400
our time and whatever, you know, but that last element of like allowing the personal

724
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,440
side of things and the fact that it depicts a competition, I think is a big one where

725
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:42,240
people can, fans can get, you know, invested into it and kind of, you know, root for, root

726
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:43,520
for the characters.

727
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,840
And that's where I think it brings in new eyeballs, you know, even like this podcast,

728
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,840
it's not for everybody.

729
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,640
And it probably doesn't draw in people that weren't anglers before to the industry, right?

730
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,560
But like a production like yours has that element.

731
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,680
And I think it's right there.

732
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:04,240
I think that it's that part where you start rooting for people and you start, you know,

733
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:10,600
you just anticipate those interviews or that raw footage where you're making a decision

734
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,820
in the boat.

735
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:16,220
You're giving a little update to the, to the, you know, the camera boat that's to the side

736
00:44:16,220 --> 00:44:19,000
on tournament day or whatever it is.

737
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,760
And like all of a sudden, all of a sudden, it's like you really open yourself up to a

738
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,160
lot of, a lot of new people.

739
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,200
I'm curious if that was like a big part of the idea or even if you agree with that, but

740
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,120
I think that's absolutely the case.

741
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,060
Like you said with Jay Siemens, he's, you know, I had that conversation with him too

742
00:44:37,060 --> 00:44:38,200
about his content.

743
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,600
Like when you do, it's like, why is YouTube, on YouTube is so popular for these YouTubers

744
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,160
to do these little competition videos with each other?

745
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,800
Well, I think just seeing them have fun or, or, or not, like the highs and lows, when

746
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,960
you see those emotional highs and lows and you see somebody just, you know, ultimately,

747
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,200
even if you're trying to play a character, fishing, you know, a really a high moment

748
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,200
in fishing or a low moment on tournament day is going to like, you know, break character

749
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,600
that you're going to see the personal side of somebody.

750
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,500
And all of a sudden those moments start showing up and it's like, all of a sudden it's like,

751
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:17,640
you're just opened up to so much, a much bigger audience, you know, just cause more people

752
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,440
that's palatable to more people, like people would stick with you.

753
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,560
They don't even, they don't even have to be huge into fishing.

754
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,840
You know, they might only buy, you know, four or five lures a year for Christmas or whatever,

755
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,400
but like, but they love your stuff.

756
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,480
You know, I feel like that's what tour level gold does or has that, you know, nobody else

757
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,680
out there right now does like any of the television programs or anybody, anybody that features

758
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,800
tournament anglers, you know, in any sort of like, you know, any of the content creation,

759
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,400
I feel like tour level gold is just like leading the charge in that way where you're actually,

760
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,840
you're not just catching the eyeballs that are already there.

761
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,920
It's like you have the ability to get new people into it.

762
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,360
And that is, that's a tricky thing to do.

763
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,400
So I guess I was just kind of curious if you agree with that or if that was like part of

764
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,400
the idea.

765
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,780
I mean, that was part of the original idea.

766
00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:13,760
You know, it was definitely based on, you know, Max's history at spring Valley in his

767
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,000
like very best fishing friend that got him into tournament fishing, passing away, who

768
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,400
was a local there.

769
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,960
And we knew there was like that emotional side of it.

770
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,520
And that's how that first tournament, you know, set up that whole storyline.

771
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,880
And then the way it was won was like, oh my gosh, what are the chances that JJ wins the

772
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,000
tournament?

773
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,760
So then going into the next one, it was like, okay, so now are we just going to be that

774
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,520
fishing show that just highlights the tournament trail?

775
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,520
Right.

776
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,040
You know, do we have that staying power?

777
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:51,360
So that's where I'd always go back to like, okay, how can Logan, how can Logan capture

778
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:58,820
those moments, go edit through hundreds and hundreds of hours of audio, and then come

779
00:46:58,820 --> 00:47:02,480
up with like the clips that tell the story and put them in a timeline to where this is

780
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:08,040
going to be entertaining and captivating the whole episode, like watch the whole episode.

781
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,560
And you know, that's the one without even tournament footage.

782
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,840
So what we see is we're, you know, going to the next tournament, the next tournament,

783
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,080
and then we have another win and it happens to be duty on the Missouri River.

784
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,440
You know, the pieces just started to fall into place.

785
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:28,720
But I agree 100% with, you know, what you're talking about as far as what I think the number

786
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:33,680
one, the best selling point or the best, the best referral.

787
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,140
Like if you told somebody to watch Tour L'Eau de Gold, a lot of it's going to be that big

788
00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:42,960
picture stuff, you know, getting to know the anglers, the emotions, all that stuff.

789
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,640
Like you can go watch a win online and it's going to be little snapshots of how people

790
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,640
did.

791
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,120
And you're going to know who won and you're going to read how they won.

792
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:58,940
So that's like what a large percentage of, like you said, maybe savvy anglers need.

793
00:47:58,940 --> 00:48:03,320
But if you're not like, if you're not getting better at fishing for watching Tour L'Eau

794
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,840
de Gold, you need to watch the episodes again, because there is a lot of stuff that's, you

795
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,120
know, it's a soft, it's not a soft sell.

796
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:17,920
It's like a, it's not highlighted, but don't watch how fast Dewey pulls his trolling motor

797
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,160
in each time in practice too.

798
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,680
If you're not getting a clue from that, what you need to be doing differently, watch the

799
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,780
intensity of his practice, watch the intensity when we're in tournament mode, and then watch

800
00:48:29,780 --> 00:48:31,720
the results of the tournament afterwards.

801
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:37,240
So there's like so many things to pick up from that on the technical angling side.

802
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:41,920
But in the meantime, it's just, when I watched the first take, I always get to watch them

803
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,600
like before the release, just to kind of go over them, help edit, you know, whatever.

804
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:51,520
But when I watch the first one, I'm literally just dazed at the production and I'll be like,

805
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,520
looks amazing.

806
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,680
Oh my gosh, Logan.

807
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,960
And it's because the music and the clips and all that stuff, it's just, that's what happens.

808
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:04,000
And that's how I think when most people watch it, they just come away from it.

809
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,720
Then their, their day just got a little better.

810
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:07,720
Oh yeah.

811
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:09,280
So why wouldn't you watch the next one?

812
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,400
You know, it's, it's, it's, it's so well done in those moments that are the most, yeah,

813
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,400
like you say, the moments that are the most important can sometimes just be those like

814
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:25,200
really brief clips of like somebody letting the air out after, or just like a moment of

815
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,720
exhaustion.

816
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:31,800
And it just, it's literally like three second clip and it just shows somebody walking around

817
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,720
their boat or whatever, or, you know, dusty like this season with dusty, you know, you

818
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:40,600
know, I like dusty, he's the man and you know, like he's sitting in his boat and he's, and

819
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,840
he's trying to do something.

820
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,000
And then his ADD brain, like he throws that down, he turns around, he goes and does something

821
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,320
else and he's like, Oh, what the, you know, it's just talking under his breath, but it's

822
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,600
like, and then it clips to something else, but those little moments where it just shows,

823
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,760
you know, like you're just seeing somebody in their natural element.

824
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,440
And then like you said, the moments in the boat speak for themselves.

825
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,760
I said this to Dewey, like probably, you know, after like three or four episodes last year,

826
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,680
I was like, this is super educational and nobody's doing a sit down interview describing

827
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:12,840
their presentation.

828
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,840
It's not like that.

829
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,640
It's like, Oh, I'm watching it.

830
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,880
And all of a sudden, like, like every conversation I've had with any of you guys or people, you

831
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,540
know, just, or just anybody that I talked to and I'm trying to learn, it's like a conversation,

832
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:28,560
but I've never truly been in the boat with somebody.

833
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,620
All of a sudden I'm seeing images of you in the boat and it, and it started to materialize

834
00:50:33,620 --> 00:50:38,840
all this information and I can just like, see, I see closer and closer, you know, more

835
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,320
accurately what I'm trying to emulate when I'm out on the water.

836
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,160
If I'm trying to learn from John Hoyer and I've talked to you, I've asked you questions,

837
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,240
you've taught me so much and I appreciate that.

838
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:54,640
And then all of a sudden I'm seeing video footage of you like in your, in your element,

839
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,000
talking to yourself, talking to the camera.

840
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,320
You know, I just see you fishing.

841
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:03,400
I see you hunting down fish all of a sudden, like that's so, so educational.

842
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,760
And you know, like do it like he agreed.

843
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,280
It's like, like here's a production that, you know, it's super entertaining.

844
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,920
It's got, you know, all this different, but like the education side of things.

845
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,800
I don't know if you guys fully plan that out or had those like types of intentions, but

846
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,240
super educational.

847
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,240
Love it, man.

848
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,240
I love it.

849
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:22,960
That's definitely a big, a big part of it.

850
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,400
So, you know, moving along here, what can we expect here?

851
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,600
We've got, we're coming up on the NWT championship.

852
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,480
And I think everybody in the production qualified.

853
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,880
Am I right on that?

854
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,160
Everybody but Owen, I believe.

855
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,160
Oh yeah.

856
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,160
Yeah.

857
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,160
Okay.

858
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,160
So, but you guys added characters.

859
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,360
So it's like, there's even more, like going into this championship than the first season.

860
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,760
You guys got a lot of people that you got to keep track of.

861
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:53,720
But yeah, Bill and Dusty and you and Dewey, Max.

862
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:55,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

863
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,120
Awesome stuff.

864
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,120
So many great storylines.

865
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,360
Like I said, this is just one of them, but so many great storylines just like across

866
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,800
like the tournament field and in fishing.

867
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,720
And I'm always trying to, you know, stay on the pulse of those things.

868
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:11,280
But what can we expect from tour level gold?

869
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,340
We've got this, the Kakowia tournament that just happened.

870
00:52:13,340 --> 00:52:18,240
So that's going to be absolute fireworks when you guys launch that here pretty soon.

871
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:21,160
And then going into the championship.

872
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,160
Yeah.

873
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,480
What, give us some nuggets here of what to expect coming up.

874
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,320
I think a lot of it will be, you know, the storyline will be the Great Lakes again.

875
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,280
So Lake Huron is, it's a rough body of water.

876
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,080
It's a lot of it is how it's shaped the prevailing wind.

877
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,520
And then like how the shoals are.

878
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,800
There's just a lot of lake current that creates like massive checkerboards of waves and stuff.

879
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:51,560
So you know, you're going to get that full Great Lakes feel again, almost who knows,

880
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,200
maybe there'll be a 95 mile run talk or something crazy like that.

881
00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:01,920
You know, like I, when I watch that stuff, like Lake Erie and those huge waves, if your

882
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:08,160
viewers don't realize like on camera, if you've ever seen something filmed where you were

883
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:14,440
there the same day, those waves look like a third as big as they do to the naked eye

884
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,360
when you're fishing in them.

885
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:22,680
So if you were out there on that day to a Lake Erie and you thought it looked wavy on

886
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,400
camera, it was literally like biblical.

887
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,880
So you know, that'll be for sure, you know, part of the obvious storyline of having a

888
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,320
championship on the Great Lakes.

889
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,320
It's really cool.

890
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,640
Cause like we, none of us really have history there.

891
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,480
You know, one tournament I was saying that day for myself, Dewey's never fished there.

892
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,240
Dusty, I think that's the only time he'd ever fished there.

893
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:50,280
I think Bill might be the only guy who's been there twice.

894
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,280
Bill's been everywhere twice.

895
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,280
Yeah, for sure.

896
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:58,920
So, you know, I think that's one of the really cool things to watch for and to keep in mind,

897
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,240
you know, let's say we all top 10.

898
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,160
Well, realize that we all started from scratch.

899
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,440
And for myself, it's kind of an upper level appreciation of that.

900
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,560
A lot of things have to align in practice and, you know, there's going to be multiple

901
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:16,560
days in practice.

902
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,320
I looked at the weather report, there's going to be some windier days where it's like, heck

903
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,680
no, I'm not going to go fish the South shore on that day.

904
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,400
So like now we have a shortened practice.

905
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:33,280
We have four and a half days of practice and, you know, we're generally, we're fishing like

906
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,760
seven days before a tournament.

907
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:42,560
So all that stuff is going to be like amplified, expedited and get way more serious come tournament

908
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,640
time as far as like making those decisions where you're going to fish.

909
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,840
I do like the fact that it'll be a call tournament.

910
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,480
So the weights are really going to reflect like who did the best in practice, who found

911
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,880
the best, who dialed it in the best and who made the decision.

912
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:02,600
So this one is going to be, you know, the other ones, there's underlying storylines

913
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,680
about like the variables and the limits and no call and stuff like that.

914
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:14,480
You'll, you'll see that stress, but this one will be like full out walleye tournament where,

915
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,680
you know, the winner taught the most fish and the biggest ones.

916
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,040
And I think it's going to be awesome to see how it goes down.

917
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,120
Your buddies with everybody or you know everybody, what do you think about the angler of the

918
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,120
year race?

919
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:32,640
You know, a neck and neck deal at the top with Hunter and Dylan.

920
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,840
I'm definitely a fan of both those guys.

921
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,520
And well, and shoot, there's, I mean, by way of technicality, there's, you know, what is

922
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:42,520
it?

923
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:47,640
The top five are actually could put, you know, there's a scenario where more than just those,

924
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,480
you know, Hunter and Dylan could win it.

925
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,280
But any predictions there?

926
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,600
Do you feel like anybody's got like a little bit of favoritism or maybe a little bit of

927
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,280
an edge being it's on like here on?

928
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,880
I definitely don't think there's any edge.

929
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:10,760
And I, I like to like draw people in and say there's five people mathematically in it,

930
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,640
but I really feel like there's only three.

931
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,400
It's Tom when Eric, well, Eric McCoy.

932
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,600
Didn't he, he slipped that sack.

933
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,600
Yeah.

934
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:21,600
So I think he's in fourth.

935
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,360
So it's a Hunter, Dylan, Tom and Eric.

936
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,440
So Eric possibly, but you got to look at the math on it.

937
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,160
There's only 40 points that separates the guys.

938
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,800
So you know, when I look at it, it's like, oh, okay.

939
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,240
I'm mathematically out of it.

940
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:42,280
So is duty because there's no way that, you know, they can't even finish low enough.

941
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,080
So if you go up to those, like, let's just say the top three, maybe four, the odds of

942
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:56,200
Hunter Dylan and Tom, you know, being in the bottom 30th to 40th and, and Eric McCoy

943
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,720
top 10ing it, those odds are like powerball odds.

944
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:04,760
So I really feel like it's, it's really down to like three.

945
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,640
And I like all those guys a lot.

946
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,840
I, I all four of those guys I just mentioned, I'm rooting for all of them.

947
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:11,840
I think it's really cool.

948
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,960
You know, Dewey and I have been fortunate to win the AOI the last two years.

949
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,920
One of us each year.

950
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:24,080
And I am not rooting for them to win the tournament and angler of the year.

951
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:30,480
Selfishly, I would like to hold that as, you know, it's just nice to be like the only person

952
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,360
that has been fortunate enough for that to happen to.

953
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:39,080
But I saw like I read a new spam interview the other day and he's like, holy cow, I have

954
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,080
the opportunity to do that.

955
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,080
I'm like, dang it.

956
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,520
Yes, he does.

957
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:49,880
So obviously so does Tom and so does Hunter and possibly Eric.

958
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:56,280
So I think the best, the best plan for our team is the best offense is a good defense.

959
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:03,960
So we need to check that box of national wallet tour championship winner, one of us three.

960
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,120
And then we won't allow that to happen.

961
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,600
But I'm rooting for all those guys.

962
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,640
I literally, I love their vibe.

963
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:10,640
I love their attitude.

964
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:16,360
They're always like, they just they like tournament fishing so much that you can see their emotions

965
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,360
of like when they have success, you know, people are excited.

966
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,600
They come up, they talk to you.

967
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,360
But all three of those guys, like they want to know how you did too.

968
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,240
And you're already wearing it on your sleeve, like how you did.

969
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,880
But how did it go today?

970
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,040
I just had 20 pounds.

971
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,640
You know, I could not get any big ones.

972
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,640
Oh, man, me either.

973
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,640
Like, how about you?

974
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,640
Oh, it was crazy.

975
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,320
I caught them all in like two hours.

976
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,320
You know, I talked to Dylan at Sakakawea.

977
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,320
I'm like, holy cow, dude.

978
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,920
And it's like they were biting so good and I caught him in the wrong order.

979
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,800
And I couldn't have gambled on the last one.

980
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,240
He tells you, you know, the last one was a five and a half.

981
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,280
I'm like, yeah, you can't throw that back.

982
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:02,200
So like those little conversations, you know, I admire all those guys were we're all in it

983
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:07,480
for the same reason, the anticipation, the excitement and, you know, and their passion

984
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,480
shows through.

985
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,800
So they're all very deserving after a year like they've had this year.

986
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,800
Well, I had some more questions for you, but we're like at our time limit.

987
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:23,080
I mean, I could ask you for another hour of your time, but we'll just do it another time.

988
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,360
I had some other questions for you.

989
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,080
But man, I'm just I appreciate your time.

990
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,240
I love getting sort of the updates on the season.

991
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:36,040
And you know, your story is definitely one of the my favorite stories in the industry.

992
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,440
The industry loves you rightfully.

993
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,040
So man, you're out there, you're putting in hard work, you're making some things look

994
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:45,560
easy, but there's no question it's a lot, a lot of hard work on and off the water to

995
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,080
do what you do at your level.

996
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,800
And you're, you know, we're all chasing.

997
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,640
So unless something else is is hankering on you, but touching on a little forecasting

998
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:59,160
for the championship, man, I appreciate that.

999
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:04,040
You know, that being said, we'll promote your socials and the content in the intro.

1000
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,560
But I was just like hearing it from each of my guests is kind of how I sign all these

1001
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:08,880
things off.

1002
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,640
I would just say, if there's one human being, probably not.

1003
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,800
But if there's one human being listening to this that isn't following your content or

1004
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:22,260
following your your socials or whatever, promote anything you want to promote, maybe it's sponsors

1005
01:00:22,260 --> 01:00:24,680
or whatever you want to do, man, that's just how we'll sign this off.

1006
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,680
Go ahead.

1007
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:26,680
Yeah, I appreciate it.

1008
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,720
Instagram is one of my favorite avenues on social media.

1009
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,920
And that's John Hoyer Fish.

1010
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,800
And then obviously, we talked about it earlier.

1011
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:35,800
Tour level gold.

1012
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,640
We appreciate every single fan.

1013
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:44,560
It's very important to our production and to our sponsors to see those people subscribed

1014
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,000
to tour level gold on YouTube and, you know, to follow us on Instagram.

1015
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,600
So we all appreciate that.

1016
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,960
All six of us.

1017
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:58,240
So and then otherwise, Hoyer Fishing on Facebook is my Facebook page.

1018
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,240
Right on, man.

1019
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:04,720
And if people don't know, I get hundreds of messages a month, you know, where people just

1020
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,960
have, hey, I'm going up to Lake of the Woods and I saw you're up there with Jay.

1021
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:09,960
Could you give me an idea?

1022
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:15,200
And I personally owe it to everybody who follows me to respond to all those messages.

1023
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:20,400
So if you didn't know that, it could be a good way to have kind of a personal consultant

1024
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,240
for your maybe your fishing trip or just a seasonal pattern.

1025
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,800
And I encourage people to just kind of reach out and message me on Instagram.

1026
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,360
Here it is, man.