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Hello players who use D&D as an excuse to play their characters they made when they were 13 years old.

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And DMs who use all their free time at work to write story.

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I meant to say OC's my bad. I'm Maddie.

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I'm Robert.

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What are we doing today Robert?

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Today we are doing another segment installment. We haven't really done segments.

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I mean we have but we haven't. We don't have.

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We say we will and then we is.

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We're doing a repeat thing of the thing that we did last time.

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Talking about new media that we wouldn't turn into D&D or sort of assigned to fifth edition assigned fifth edition two.

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We kind of talked a little bit about this beforehand.

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We talked about some settings that it's going to be kind of the opposite where a lot of the work is going to be generating the lore and the story for the world and then sort of the mechanics come second.

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And then there are other worlds like Last of Us or like the one today where it's more mechanic focused because a lot of that lore and world building is kind of already there.

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So what are we talking about today then Madison?

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Percy Jackson.

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I went back and forth on what I wanted to kind of pick for mine because even though both of us enjoy Last of Us and Percy Jackson, one of us is kind of taking the helm of each one and I was absolutely baffled at what to pick, scratching my head.

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And I've already technically DM'd a Camp Half Blood one. It was the very first thing I ever DM'd.

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But it was a Kids on Bike setting so it wasn't a lot of mechanics and I wanted to do something that was a little bit more 5E focused because that's where I'm trying to learn how to do that system.

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I'm sure there's...

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I've heard system of our table which is a big part of that reason.

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I'm sure there's like a million out there for Camp Half Blood or like Percy Jackson, D&D, but I have not read any of them so this isn't cheating.

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But this is another...it's Percy Jackson.

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The way I imagine this kind of world being is you're playing as a demigod at Camp Half Blood because that's where everyone wants to be.

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I think that's a great starting point in a great setting and then you can have them go on quests from there.

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Kind of the core of where the focus will be is for this in particular, which we talked about briefly, kind of like on the car right here, and figuring out the classes because when you look at races...

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Yeah, you only have one race.

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Yeah, you're going to be a demigod. Maybe a satyr. I think that you can be a satyr, but that also has just as much to do with your class as it does.

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It all comes back to who's your divine patron, who's your godly parent, patronage, or heritage.

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For backgrounds, I kind of see it come a couple different ways.

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I think once you're playing, you can be like a camp veteran or like a character kind of like Annabeth, where you've been around camp for a long time.

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That would give you certain bonuses and kind of like general knowledge.

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So I would probably put some bonuses there. I didn't think too hard about the backgrounds.

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I don't think that's where most of our focus is going to be today.

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I think there's also one where thinking about being the new kid at camp, depending on what route you want to take, doing a one shot in this, I would probably do it as you are a bunch of 12 to 13 year olds who are showing up at Camp Half-Lud for the first time.

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So taking the idea of where you're coming from, so I think that you can go the route of...

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Your background being kind of like where you're from.

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I kind of grouped them into three categories, very overarching categories of like City Kid, Country Kid, and you're from the Burbs.

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So City Kid, you're going to have a little bit more expertise, like you probably get a bonus to intimidation, or just a little bit more like real world knowledge and a little bit more grounded.

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Versus if you're coming from a rural setting, you're probably going to have a little bit more of a physical bonus to you when it comes to athletics or physical stuff.

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And then if you're from the Burbs, I guess a bonus to kind of like your knowledge on Greek myths in like the setting, I don't know.

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It feels just a little calmer.

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With everybody being kids, I think you can really lean in specifically for the backgrounds.

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And this is kind of what we're already getting at, leaning into like your level of education, or your kind of education I think is really big.

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I mean, to be super specific about it, you could say like what kind of school you came from, like public, private charter, or magnet, that kind of thing.

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But that's almost getting a little bit too into the weeds.

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Part of me almost thinks that maybe too the background could be a little bit more like what's your parents' occupation?

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Because that's going to have a lot to do with sort of how the world has shaped you up to this point.

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So there are a lot of different ways, right?

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Because your background in this case really is like where do you...

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To your starting point.

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Like where did you come from?

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What did you do before you got here?

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And when you just... it's just a world, right? It's just a world where you're a child.

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There's kind of a lot of different things to consider when like somebody at background.

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And what those bonuses are?

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I like the idea of like the three primary backgrounds and then going down further from those of like, I think truly you can do like the setting that you're from.

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So city rule or like suburbs, because I think there needs to be kind of an in-between.

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And then from there being like cool public or private school in each of those.

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Private school, you're going to get a little bit more of a bonus to like your general knowledge and like when it comes to like specific Greek and Latin myths.

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Because generally private schools have a little bit more of an opportunity to like dive into whatever they want to versus public schools.

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I think you're going to be a little bit more like grounded in common sense, if that makes sense.

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At least in my experience as someone who went to a very public school where people had knives.

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Heck yeah.

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You know, there's a difference there.

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Shout out to Jeff.

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Don't shout out the name of my school.

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I'm going to have them. Shout out to Jeff.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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There's no slander or defamation. Not at all.

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It was a great school. I love going there.

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Cool people, man.

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And from that, I think truly at this point, just being able to dive into the classes.

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So Camp Half-Blood, or like talking about your classes slash who your godly parent is.

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Because really that's what it boils down to.

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At Camp Half-Blood, canonically, like currently there are I think 21 houses.

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Because they went back and added several.

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I'm probably not going to go over all of the added ones because you have like the 12 core, like the pantheon.

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So that's like...

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You have paper in here.

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Yes, we've got it in a...

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Fantastic.

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I forgot his laptop.

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I chose not to bring it because I was like, yeah, I'll do it.

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And without it, now I'm to the point where I think I'd actually like to have.

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I can show you my screen.

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Paper. No, that's okay.

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Having things written in front of me will be nice.

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Yep, appreciate you.

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No problem.

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So, classes.

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So first like kind of addressing the elephant in the room when it comes to picking your godly parent, the big three.

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I had already thought about this ahead of time.

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I, when I GM'd a one-shot in this setting, I told everyone, which I made people like roll slash assigned people slash made them take a quiz in their character, like as their character of which godly parent would you have.

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And took that, like all of those things into consideration.

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Some did not get the one that they wanted.

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Or the one that popped up on their quiz.

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No, because I was making the final decisions and I, and I didn't want some people to have certain people as godly parents.

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But when it comes to the big three, I don't know, I think it's dicey when it comes to like playing one of those because you don't want to get yourself in it.

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Because canonically it's like, these are not characters like, it's Percy Jackson.

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Like there are a list of like, oh, there's only one psych.

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There's actually like six of them.

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And they go to pretty extensive links to demonstrate why there were only so many of them.

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Like from what I know of the books, I must say comics.

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From what I know of the books.

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Oh, appreciate the preface.

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Robert's experience with Percy Jackson is.

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I've seen the movies.

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He loves the movies.

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I didn't, there was a time where I didn't know that they were books.

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I had just seen the original movie and loved the shit out of it and then found out that they were books and felt stupid.

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Anyways, here we are, which is crazy.

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I read all of the books.

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It's been a couple of years since I've read the heroes of the series, but I reread the Percy Jackson books recently.

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And like a lot of other middle schools, high school boys, I had a pretty big interest in mythology.

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I took a Greek myth class at my university.

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So I have more of the like literal myth knowledge and less of like the Percy Jackson universe knowledge.

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So that's kind of where I'm coming from.

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But my thought on how you could do the big three, because I initially I was like, I don't think I'd, I mean, it's your world, right?

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But I was like, I don't want to take it away.

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I think what I would do to balance it is to attach, if there are big positives for taking that like that house, then there have to be some pretty big downsides as well to balance it.

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Obviously being one of the big three makes you significantly more likely to be targeted by the outside world.

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Every deity, every powerful or powered being in that universe, like it's on site because you shouldn't exist.

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You shouldn't exist.

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And there's a reason.

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It's because every child of one of these big three ends up being a huge problem for the rest of the world.

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Or even just like the power dynamics becomes shifted very quickly.

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But again, at that point, though, it's like, how do you make the incentive not too much of an incentive that the negative is like, I don't want to give a shit.

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My thought with it in the hesitation there also is that like there's a canonical reason why there are not children of the big three.

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Like there's a contract that the gods have in place that they will not have these kids.

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So I think it also is when you want your like story to take place.

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When I GM'd, I did it in this very light.

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It was very like Tumblr headcanon fanfiction ask where I was like, this is a world in which we've already done all of the like Heroes of Olympus, all of that bullshit.

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All the fun stuff is done.

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All of that canonical stuff.

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But also now they just they're relaxing.

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And some of them are at Camp Half Blood being counselors and some of them aren't mostly because I wanted cameos for people at the table who really liked that world.

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And I thought that it made sense to also kind of like have some of them as like figures.

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But if you're like, if your story is taking place and you want to do it like during any of the canonical time in like this, the series, you can't have children.

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Of the big three, right?

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Because like that's against the rules.

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But I think if you're playing around with time and you're setting this like farther into the future, or you're setting this like way back in time before they made that deal, which would be a crazy choice to do, but you definitely could.

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But I think just taking that into consideration.

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That being said, I think it would still be kind of fun to like assign what we think those like classes would be because your godly parent is your class.

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And the way that I envision it and taking in mind that most demigods are fighting more marshally based as opposed to powers.

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The people that we see using their powers 24 seven as a demigod are like children of the big three. That's your Percy and that's your Jason.

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Do you know off the top of your head what the core cabins are or were?

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Not the 21.

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So there's Zeus is number one.

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Then Hera, who does not have any godly children.

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Then Poseidon.

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Then Demeter.

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Hell yeah. Shout out to Demeter.

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Then Aries.

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I can love that one.

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Aries.

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Athena.

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Apollo.

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It's crazy. You just got this shit memorized.

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Artemis.

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I think it's the pace to read the books.

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Hephaestus. I have it written down on my laptop.

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Oh, there you go.

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Hephaestus.

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Aphrodite.

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Aphro.

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I'm not writing her a fucking name.

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Hermes.

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Hermes.

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Hades.

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And then it starts to get a little funky.

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But those are the core.

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Those are the main ones that we see in the series.

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One, two, three, four, five, six, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.

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And then on top of that, I think it would be fun to go over.

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So there's one addition.

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A pile of pan.

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There's one additional pan.

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Well, there you go.

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If you include pan, there's a neat way, neat is in quotes, there's a neat way that you can match up each house with a class, which might, well, doesn't really make sense, but you could.

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I would, what I think what I would do in that case, and we were talking about this earlier, picking a subclass seems to be a bit more fitting for the houses than just right up assigning an entire class.

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Just for simplicity sake, like that helps.

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It's also easier to tweak a subclass than it is to tweak an entire class and then tweak every subclass within it.

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So I guess from there then it's.

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My thought was also each of them would be a subclass, like a specific subclass.

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Because it's also like, once again earlier we were talking, I don't think that any of them would be full spell casted classes.

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Like I don't think unless you're a child of the big three, you're not going to be a sorcerer.

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And even then I would not put a sorcerer as any of the like child, children of the big three, just because demigods are more marshally focused.

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So.

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As opposed to like, powered.

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So I think a good place to start then would be to go down the list and to figure out what broad class we think the gods fit into and then to assign subclasses from there.

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And they might not all get used.

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It's just there are 106 subclasses for all 13 regular classes.

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So limiting the number of classes that we have to look at is going to be a little easier.

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It'll be very nice.

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I have a couple in mind for some of them, but for the first three, I do not.

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So Zeus.

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And you said you wanted to stay away from straight up spellcasters.

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Yeah, just because I think if there are any straight up spellcasters, I think that they need to be.

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One of the big three.

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I think that makes sense.

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I think that makes a lot of sense.

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So who is kind of another fun way that we can do this?

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Who in the books do we see as a child of Zeus?

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We see Talia Grace and her brother Jason Grace.

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And how do the two of them fight?

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Well, Talia becomes a hunter of Artemis.

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So she's do she was also a tree for a really long time.

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It's yeah, she's doing her own thing.

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Cool, man.

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I know a little bit about Jason.

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Yeah, I think I would put him as a storm sorcery sorcerer.

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Yeah, well, duh.

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But I also think that almost I would like almost multi class because if you're also taking Jason specifically as an example, he comes from a different camp and that was much more like Marshall focused.

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I think that doing a sorcerer as a child of Zeus makes a lot of sense because they are people who can output a ton of damage.

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Yeah, the glass cannons to an extent.

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Yeah, I think that is very fitting.

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And I think that's maybe when we start getting into the nitty gritty of like, how do we balance the big three putting some like forcing somebody a child of Zeus to be a sorcerer subclass.

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I think it's going to be a pretty easy way to do that.

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Yeah, when you're fighting things that are swiping at you physically.

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Yeah, like there's just not much you can do.

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Yeah.

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So it's okay.

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Cool.

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And it'll also give you the ability to do a lot of things very quickly if you want to, which is very like child of Zeus coming out swinging fucking immediately.

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Burning, twin spelling, doing as much damage as you can in the beginning of the fight.

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Yeah, storm sorcerer specifically.

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You can at sixth level, you gain resistance to lightning and thunder damage.

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And when you cast a spell that does lightning or thunder damage, you can choose everything within 10 feet of you takes some lightning or thunder damage.

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At one point you become you're able to do max damage on a thunder or lightning spell.

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And then also when you cast a spell, I think just any spell you can fly up to 10 feet in the air, which is also canonical.

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So I think that that fits super super well for them.

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That makes it easy.

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Harris, cabin, you're not gonna have a child of Hera.

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That's another one where it's just like how could you let somebody be a child of Hera though?

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I think it would be really difficult to do while still staying true to the setting because like her whole thing is she like uses to have children because of children and the only child that she did have was a

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festas who she had on her own and that was a full god. I think it kind of stinks that it's just one of those were like I don't see a way around.

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Unless we change the entire like unless we're going in a like a setting where it takes place far in the future and you want to really bring the gods into it and be like cool.

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It's crazy because Hera had an affair and now all of Mount Olympus is falling apart.

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But that also places one character at the center of that conflict.

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I think that would almost be a story point. I think that's maybe I mean that could be a really fun story point where like the focus of that campaign or that one shot is this child of Hera being like the first of her kind or their kind.

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So yeah, I agree. I think keeping that one kind of off limits makes sense.

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If they were, I would say warlock.

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Warlock of some kind. Probably celestial.

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Yeah. Well, I was trying to think that here is also an incredibly intelligent god or goddess. It's a huge part of her character in mythology is that she's she has to be just as intelligent if not more intelligent than Zeus.

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Yeah, I think Paladin could make sense as well because simply because of the smiting.

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The smiting I think it would work. I think you could also make them a wizard subclass.

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I think kind of the idea that like Hera's always plotting and thinking and taking her time and making her plans. I think that's also a very wizard thing to do and just to accrue knowledge and then to sort of use it when best fit.

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So I think there I mean it doesn't matter what it is but there are a couple of different options for her.

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Poseidon.

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Poseidon. I know we already did storm sorcery. So like not that one.

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Finding something that's a little bit more water focused.

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Yeah, which it can be water focused, which is where it gets like a little tricky.

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So that's we've talked about this a couple of times at length about how fucking insane Percy's powers are.

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And just how loosely tied to the mythology and what Poseidon has control over. They are.

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It's like he's the god of the seas. So he can cause earthquakes like on.

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He's also got earthquakes but it's still like a mess.

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He can sap the moisture out of somebody's body like motherfucker that's not what that.

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I've gone on this ramp before but this is where with the big three it gets tricky because they can do so many things.

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I think in a way to balance this while still making it true to the child of Poseidon that we do know.

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I would go with a fathomless warlock.

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So fathomless is going to be your ocean critter or some type of elemental plane of water.

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Oh yeah, no that makes that's valid.

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Looking at the expanded.

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So I think warlock also fits the big three because it's someone who can do several really big hits and those big hits are huge but they have a limited amount of them.

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So that is what's going to keep you from having someone who is able to create a hurricane.

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On every turn.

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And I think also kind of guiding your player and being like hey we're going to have you be like packed of the blade because I mean if we're looking at Percy specifically packed of the blade that's rip died.

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But also encouraging your players and kind of putting out the caveat of like you need to take some martial stuff.

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No matter what your class is just because that's where a bulk of the fighting is going to be.

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Yeah.

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But looking at the expanded spell is it's creator destroy water, thunder wave, gust of wind, silence, control water, summon elemental.

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You can create tentacles, swimming speed and breathing underwater like everything kind of fits.

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That pretty well with a little bit of reskinning depending on what you want it to be.

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I think this is also something where I would let players take spells off of a larger spell list as opposed to just their classes.

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Because of how individual it is.

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Right.

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I think that makes sense.

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I guess to kill the last of the big three then the Hades I mean Necromancy makes the most sense to me.

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I know it kind of sucks because of the rap that wizards get with being able to fight people but.

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I mean if we once if we look if we're looking at the children of Hades in the series.

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You're also just looking to kill the big spellcaster classes like trying to match them up.

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You've got sorcerer with Zeus you have warlock with Poseidon and then you would have wizard with Hades and that kills your big three like spellcasting classes.

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I think it works really well.

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I think that children of Hades I'm using Nico as an example when he uses his powers to do something really crazy and big because he does a lot like he doesn't fight marshall very much.

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It's mostly powers and he gets very weak from using them and I think that also kind of fits wizard just because they don't have a very high like health.

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Going back to this is also something I thought about as we were talking with Poseidon specifically children of Poseidon being warlocks.

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He is shown to be one of the more involved fathers at least with Percy because that's really only like I mean we see Tyson but that's different.

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So I think that more direct connection also is kind of fitting as opposed to like sorcery where it's like I don't talk to Zeus.

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Why the fuck would I talk to Zeus.

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You just like that.

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So I think that those kind of like I think it worked out pretty well but each of the big three also are the big three spellcasting classes.

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Then we get into the fun ones.

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Demeter.

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Druid circle of the land.

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Druid circle of the land.

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I think Druid 100% makes sense.

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I have a list of all of them pulled up on my phone so I'm just going to take it and gander through.

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Which I know Druid is more of a spellcasting class but I think with the ability of doing wild shape and like which I wouldn't do.

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And that's the tricky thing because wild shaping doesn't make sense.

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Yeah Demeter at least in I don't know much about her obviously in the Percy Jackson books but like in my guess traditional mythology there's a huge specifically with the story of Hades snatching her daughter.

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Persephone.

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Yeah Persephone.

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Her character makes a very like hard 180 in mythology where it's just very like outgoing and forgiving like goddess of the land who like blesses cities with you know with with good crops.

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And good harvest.

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And then her what essentially is her spring her spring is stolen by Hades and so then she turns everything for ever winter.

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A lot of cities die crops stop going like it's all bad so I think it just I don't know much about the Percy Jackson version.

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But if you're just looking at mythology that's where it gets tricky because there's two very different sides of Demeter.

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Yeah.

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Then you have to decide what is canon mythology wise and what is she giving the people that are her children.

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I think for some of these they could you could almost get a choice between two subclasses because talking about this and I do really love Demeter's like fierceness.

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I also think Paladin of the ancients is very applicable because that one is very nature focused and I think that that like a child of Demeter is paladin because of like the the loyalty in the oath and then being able to lash out and like really.

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Well like that punishments I think part of it would fit very well this is another kind of is more of a kind of throwaway with looking at the Druid subclass circle of wildfire.

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I think if you take the approach that like if she wants to burn everything to start anew you could do that as well if you want to stick within Druid class right so it's like the nature part is like no like it the fuck that like I'm just I'm going to burn everything and we're going to grow back.

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We're going to cleanse.

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I'll say I think it could really be a toss up between either of those because oath of the ancients is also like you can ensnare them with plants.

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Like you get spells like plant growth and commune with nature and ensnaring strike and speak with animals which is very like Demeter II to me as well circle of land.

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Yeah I think I think that makes sense either of those because the Druid would be perfect if you didn't have that fucking wild shape thing and it's like you could always turn the wild shape into something else too.

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And I think that's one of the ways that you can I mean it's a holy new holy new quote unquote system I mean I would almost turn wild shape into something like my foot my bad dog.

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Oh what was it like attuning to different elements for the day or different aspects of nature or the weather or stuff like that because I know there's a circle of stars and instead of wild shaping you can choose to turn into like a starry form and doing something kind of like that.

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And maybe this is something where eventually I'll go through and like work out the details of this and post it on our Patreon please subscribe to our Patreon it's free and in an ideal world we'll be posting a lot of content.

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Yeah.

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So this is just kind of also our like first impressions of like how we would adapt to setting.

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Yeah.

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Next up is Aries which I.

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Barbarian we talked about this a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Barbarian makes sense.

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And so the one that I was also looking at is Battlemaster for fighter like the description is like using the art of war and tactics to gain advantage so that's what IBA is where it's specializing in using multiple kinds of weapons and having a higher ish intelligence score where a lot of it is like

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planning on how to use the different weapons and a lot of the advantage comes in like learning different techniques I think they could work for Athena as well.

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That's what I was about to say.

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The one thing that I hate seeing is that Aries often at least not children I don't know anything about the books again but like there's this concept of Aries that he's really stupid and to an extent he is a lot dumber than his.

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I think they're good.

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I think their siblings than his sister Athena.

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Yes.

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A sister.

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However, yes and no Aries is very war focused and thrives on war being present but the issue with with the sometimes portrayal or I guess vibe that people get if I'm being stupid is that you can't have a champion of war if they lose.

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Yeah.

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And that's a very like real thing I think it would be a toss up between that because I think I also have two different options.

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Yeah I looked at and if it was going to be.

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Barbarian I was looking at battle ranger or berserker I think battle ranger gives kind of like a bonus to a shield which I think is very fitting with Greek fighting tactics which sounds like a really weird stupid thing to say but like that is a style of how they fight in camp half blood specifically.

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And then that also kind of ties pretty nicely into Athena.

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I see children of Athena I'm speaking is like if you can't tell from my general vibe I like to think of myself as a child of Athena.

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Who do I know.

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I don't remember why I took that.

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You got Zeus.

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Shut the fuck up.

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You got Zeus dog.

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Shut the fuck up.

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You know I kept getting Artemis.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because you're like no way you can't.

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You can't.

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You can't be a child of Artemis.

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Whatever.

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Also I'm not a child of Zeus that quiz was bullshit Zeus.

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I refuse to accept that.

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It's all right man.

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I had a friend who was a very huge person Jackson fan and she said I'm a child of Athena and I believe her.

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So.

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Am I going to stink for Athena was a pillow.

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Oh I was thinking fighter or a monk.

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I guess I could see which like they don't actually have like a physical energy that they're channeling through their bodies but I just think that like I don't know.

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They're so fucking smart.

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They are incredibly smart.

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I don't know.

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That's the crazy thing about like if you look at the children of Camp Half-Blood most of them have some type of like something that they've got like a leg up on.

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Athena's kids are just fucking smart like Aries kids are big like they are like physically strong.

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They're physically tough.

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Athena's kids they're just fucking smart and like how do you put that in without it just being a wizard because they don't have powers.

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If you're just looking for an intelligence based class it makes sense to do wizard.

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I think fighter could be a way to offset that if you want to.

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Fighter was my other class.

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I was thinking battle master or champion.

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Yeah I almost think.

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No that's yeah no that's maybe for Aries than instead of thinking about battle master having champ.

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My instinct would be to say battle master for Athena and if you're considering fighter for Aries making a champion.

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Yeah.

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Now I see that.

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Did that make sense.

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Yeah because battle master is going to give you more variety.

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Yeah.

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And like it's going to be stronger hits.

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And battle master is a really big focus on you get a lot of what are like they're called technique points or something.

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I don't know maneuvers maneuvers where you get to learn different parts of war.

424
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,000
I think that makes more sense for Athena if you're looking at a fighter version of her.

425
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Yeah as opposed to Aries being that so scratch that out.

426
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
I don't know what monk subclass also.

427
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:25,000
Yeah and there wasn't really much more to it other than like I don't know there was just reading through something about it.

428
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:39,000
See the issue with monks is that with the way that everyone chooses to operate in the Percy Jackson universe there's not a lot of room for monks because monks are really good at one thing and that one thing doesn't really exist in the Percy Jackson world because if you don't fight with a weapon you die.

429
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,000
Yeah.

430
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,000
No that's true.

431
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:48,000
But I think there could be a potentially good offset in Paladin I think.

432
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000
I think I would home brew a subclass about like oath of knowledge.

433
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000
You could do oath of conquest.

434
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000
But she doesn't feel very conquest to me.

435
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:04,000
I like the mechanics of oath of conquest a lot but I think if you focus on the victory aspect of it that makes more sense than the destruction.

436
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:14,000
So with oath of conquest there are usually two big focuses there's like destruction and being very powerfully destructive and then of big focus on winning.

437
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,000
I think without having Nike present in this.

438
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Yeah I think that still makes sense because Nike is a child of Athena and I think if you lay into the idea that there's a character or a child of Athena who's just really in it to win it.

439
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000
Athena is still going to be there for that person.

440
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Yeah.

441
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Because there's victory to be had.

442
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Yeah.

443
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000
I think that would make more sense than like a monk.

444
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Yeah.

445
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,000
Class.

446
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,000
I think you could rework oath of conquest so that it's a little less like yeah.

447
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Yeah I think I would definitely rework it.

448
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:51,000
But I oath of conquest and oath of devotion I are my two favorite out of the Paladin subclasses.

449
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000
Yeah devotion stuck out to me.

450
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000
I just don't.

451
00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:01,000
There's such a big focus on devotion with like being divine and being holy and Athena doesn't really fit that vibe.

452
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000
She fits.

453
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
She's a strict mom.

454
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000
She is very she is very strict.

455
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,000
I guess in that sense devotion is being the best.

456
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Like because I think that also gives you a fun opportunity where if you're playing in a campaign of this Athena very much is a godly parent at least depending on when in the story you're looking who if you stop achieving if you go stagnate if you are no longer making her proud.

457
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
She's not going to be there for you.

458
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:44,000
So maybe then what that looks like is home brewing a mix between conquest and devotion then with that more like strict kind of uptightness like I have to follow the rules but the conquest aspect of that is I also like part of the rules that I have to follow is that like I'm always moving.

459
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,000
I'm always winning.

460
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,000
I'm always conquering.

461
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,000
I'm always developing something new and then battle masters just straightforward.

462
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000
Yeah.

463
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
It fits.

464
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,000
Gotta know what all Apollo.

465
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Yes.

466
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Fucking Bards make sense there.

467
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:08,000
I'll say I was thinking Bard specifically College of Swords just because I want to really keep that martial focus for these.

468
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000
More stories way to keep.

469
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000
So I'm just looking through.

470
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:17,000
I was also starting to think Valor creation I think could be fun creation could be fun.

471
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Yeah there's so many of these that work well Valor was the other one that stuck out to me as well like learning the stories Valor more than swords looking at it.

472
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Yeah.

473
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000
Yeah.

474
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,000
I would agree with that.

475
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,000
It's focused on attacking.

476
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:40,000
I also think the other like kind of thing to Apollo I would look at clerics because the Apollo children in the Percy Jackson universe are the healers.

477
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
So I would do light.

478
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Oh that's fun.

479
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:48,000
So that would be like because like he's also the god of the sun in this setting.

480
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Yeah.

481
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,000
That's very straightforward like literally when you click on a cleric light domain.

482
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000
It says Apollo in the list of gods.

483
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Ordered.

484
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Yeah I mean that one's pretty straight pretty self-explanatory.

485
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Yeah.

486
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,000
And I think that cleric is also a class where you can take martial stuff.

487
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:16,000
I think it's very well to being one of the other classes that allows you to kind of like insert yourself into the more paladin abilities which is nice.

488
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:22,000
So I think Valor and light domain light domain.

489
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Yeah.

490
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Artemis cabin.

491
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Rangers.

492
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Unfortunately.

493
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Yeah.

494
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000
You got to be a ranger.

495
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Unfortunately.

496
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000
Yeah.

497
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,000
I think rangers a class no matter what you stick her in you're going to have to buff it.

498
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Yeah.

499
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
To make it on par with the rest of your campers.

500
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Yeah.

501
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:43,000
I think it would be a toss up between monster slayer conglave or hunter conglave.

502
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:51,000
I like the mechanics of hunter better because monster slayer also has you like casting spells.

503
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Yeah.

504
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,000
And it doesn't make a lot of sense like the protection from people in good makes sense.

505
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000
What do the children of Artemis primarily do in the Percy Jackson universe.

506
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,000
We've talked about this a couple of times.

507
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Refresh me.

508
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,000
They they travel they are like eternally young.

509
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Yeah.

510
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
And they're all women.

511
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,000
All women.

512
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
That's why I'm not allowed to join the club.

513
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Correct.

514
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,000
And they travel with Artemis sometimes or they just kind of travel through and they slave beasts.

515
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Okay.

516
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:28,000
They're not at the side of camp half blood they're not at the camp sometimes they'll come by and like rest but they're not really a horizon walker could work.

517
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Hunters seek out creatures from other worlds to end them.

518
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,000
That could be a good mix between your monster slayer and your hunter.

519
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,000
That they're all of their abilities are focused on tracking creatures that are like otherworldly.

520
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Yeah.

521
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,000
And then is there any other class truly Artemis.

522
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000
I don't think so.

523
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
I think if you bounce back to fire there might be one in there.

524
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
But it's got to be the bow and arrow.

525
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,000
And at that point I think it's just a toss up between two Rangers.

526
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000
Yeah.

527
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000
I mean you can do arcane or Archer.

528
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,000
Yeah.

529
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,000
For fighter makes magic with your arrows to rain literal fire up on your phones.

530
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Yeah.

531
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,000
You can lean more.

532
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:16,000
I think if you do that you can lean more into the like magically infusing your like instead of learning hunting tactics being a more like magically inclined Archer where it's.

533
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:26,000
I'm not physically strong enough to do all of the fun techniques but I can like grab a couple of herbs from a bush and then sprinkle them on the arrow and the arrow does just as much now.

534
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Yeah.

535
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
So I think that works too.

536
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Cool.

537
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,000
Yeah.

538
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,000
The fighter class is a really great one to just kind of very versatile.

539
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,000
It is incredible.

540
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,000
I mean that's what the whole class is for.

541
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000
It's also why it has the most subclass.

542
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Yeah.

543
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:54,000
It was I also thought originally about making all of the demigods subclasses of fighter just because that's what demigods are like it's martial focus and then you can also do some fun little like power things.

544
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Hephaestus.

545
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000
I mean it's kind of being.

546
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Artificer.

547
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Yeah.

548
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,000
I mean.

549
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
I think you could do barbarian.

550
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,000
I don't see it.

551
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,000
I think you could if you want if you want an option for something that's a little bit more like big hammer go smash.

552
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000
Yeah.

553
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,000
But if you want to focus on the core aspect of a fessus which is creation then you kind of have to stay within the.

554
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000
The artificer class.

555
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Or I would even college of creation with some re skinning for Bard.

556
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:34,000
There's also the other aspect which is one of the care one of the children of Hephaestus that we see in Percy Jackson is able to use.

557
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Artificer.

558
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Fire.

559
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Yeah.

560
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Like fire but that's a very very rare thing and it's not like a common thing.

561
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Children of.

562
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Yeah I think just giving them choices between two subclasses and artificer makes the most sense unfortunately.

563
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Yeah.

564
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Which like it's a good class for what it is.

565
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,000
It is really so good class.

566
00:37:52,000 --> 00:38:05,000
It gives you that martial stuff and then it also gives you like all of your magically infused items are in the realm of like exactly like you have magical items in camp half blood like that is a super useful thing to have.

567
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
So what's subclass then do you narrow it on for Hephaestus.

568
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Battle Smith for sure.

569
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,000
And then.

570
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000
Oh God.

571
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000
I don't really see alchemist or our.

572
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Armour is the only other one that makes sense to me.

573
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Yeah.

574
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
And I could I could see armor.

575
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:36,000
So the way that I imagine it then is with Battle Smith it's more of like creating the machines like it's it's the making the clockwork ales and the giant statues that come to life like it's.

576
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Giant.

577
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Dragon ship that can fly through this guy.

578
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:50,000
All of your combat or like your skills lion making little critters and then I think armor then there could be it talks a lot about infusing your armor to make like an exoskeleton.

579
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
You're basically making your own iron rancid.

580
00:38:52,000 --> 00:39:16,000
I think yeah I think you can also spend that though is like you maybe you have in this is something that would be more specific to the Percy Jackson universe maybe you have the ability to like make magical weapons like maybe it's something that takes multiple missions like you can commune with Hephaestus and you can figure out like the list of things that you need to make an incredibly powerful arcane weapon it's going to take a long time to do it but maybe you're the only person in the party that can do it.

581
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Yeah.

582
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:25,000
I think it's something that like if you're looking at Leo the child of Hephaestus that we know the most about I think that like very much fits who he is.

583
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000
He's he's the one who makes things.

584
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,000
He also works pretty closely with Athena and like like Athena's cabin.

585
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Yeah.

586
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Which is a pretty powerful combo.

587
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000
You have one.

588
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,000
You have a fighter and a people that know what they're doing and then you have another group it's like I can make anything that you can dream of.

589
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,000
I think it's also lends itself well mechanically.

590
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Oh my God.

591
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
I forgot the name of him.

592
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Hmm.

593
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Jesus an artifice or Jesus fucking Christ an artifice or a fighter and make a pretty good combination looking at Aphrodite College of Glamour.

594
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Yeah.

595
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
College of Glamour College of Eloquence were my two thoughts.

596
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:13,000
There's something called charm speak that children of Aphrodite can do which is it kind of exactly what it sounds like it's a little bit of like it's the spell like command.

597
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,000
Yeah.

598
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:20,000
The other only class that stuck out to me that I think you could make work is something in Druid if you reworked one of the titles.

599
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Yeah.

600
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000
Which one were you thinking.

601
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
I don't know.

602
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Because I may be life domain.

603
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,000
I could see that but I that also runs into the issue of wild shaping.

604
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,000
Is that something they can do.

605
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Clarence can do.

606
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Oh you're looking at Claire.

607
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000
I think you said Druid.

608
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
No Clarence life domain.

609
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Okay.

610
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,000
My bad.

611
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,000
I think that's like this is where I would spend it where life domain isn't the idea isn't serving the idea of life.

612
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
The idea is serving the idea of loving life.

613
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Yeah.

614
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000
I'll say I could spend that love domain.

615
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000
You love life.

616
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:57,000
You love everything about like the world of the gods have created so much that the way that you express your godly powers are by safe keeping them.

617
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Yeah.

618
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Or by keeping them safe.

619
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,000
I could see that.

620
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,000
I still I'm still very tied to eloquence and glamour.

621
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:11,000
I'm eloquence being your words and what you say and fuck you.

622
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000
I cannot fail at any persuasion or charisma checks and yeah.

623
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Yeah.

624
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Is very fitting and then glamour is also so fun to me which is literally just you are so fucking hot and it's magical that you're so hot and you're able to cast.

625
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,000
That's because of how hot you are.

626
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000
And I love that that's a class that is official from Wizards of the Coast.

627
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Yeah.

628
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
You're just that pretty.

629
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
And I mean that's the whole thing.

630
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
That's how they work.

631
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Yeah.

632
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000
I think I would almost blend those two classes.

633
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Yeah.

634
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Glamour and eloquence.

635
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Yeah.

636
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Taking some of those more like I'm so pretty like you have to do what I say.

637
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Because I don't think it's just physical beauty.

638
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,000
I think it's a lot of like it's the mind game of it.

639
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000
It's like.

640
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Yeah.

641
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Kind of going back and like talking about like the point pleasant thing.

642
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
It's the whole like I know how to play the social game.

643
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
I know what to say.

644
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
I know how to say it.

645
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Yeah.

646
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000
To get what I need.

647
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,000
You're just gonna have to be the most honest one to get what you want and what you want.

648
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
That's going to be a rogue.

649
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,000
I was thinking monk.

650
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Speed.

651
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,000
I see the speed.

652
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Monks have like are the only glass that can like triple their speed in a single turn.

653
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,000
That's true.

654
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,000
And they get bonus some classes.

655
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,000
Not all of them.

656
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Some classes get bonuses for moving quickly like moving like the more feet you move before

657
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
you hit somebody.

658
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,000
The more damage you do.

659
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:30,000
My inclination towards rogue is also that in the Percy Jackson universe at least the

660
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:37,820
kids are more of the jack of all trades master of none tricksters and like like

661
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:42,240
there's less of the focus on the fact that he's also like speed which is crazy

662
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:47,660
to me because I really like rogue because you get your like expertise and you get

663
00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:54,920
so many like skills so then for rogue what subclass or subclass is I this is

664
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,320
one where like truly I think it depends on whoever you want to be but that's

665
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,960
like fucked because that's not really an option for the others not inquisitive

666
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,680
not assassin the ones that stood out to me were archangel tricks turn scout yeah

667
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,880
if you're just really wanting to lean into his like the the machinating not

668
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,160
mastermind because that's just kind of stupid but yeah that lays more unlike

669
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,360
Athena's camp than anything yeah being so intelligent that you plan everything

670
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,040
out and it's not really intelligence it's like you're fucking sneaky yeah like

671
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,680
and scout has a focus on speed yeah like always being ahead of things I could

672
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,900
also see and this is gonna sound a little bit silly swashbuckler because

673
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:42,800
swashbucklers while they are piratey are not specifically piratey in their

674
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,880
mechanics yeah it's like you can fight away without opportunity attacks and you

675
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:54,800
have rakeish audacity which if you are you give yourself initiative bonuses

676
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:01,360
equal to your charisma modifier you also get additional sneak attack if that

677
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,960
creature is within five feet of you yeah so it's that whole like yeah come

678
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,240
fight me motherfucker or like getting close and then you also have like ponche

679
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:15,280
which is you can basically attack a creature and be like motherfucker you're

680
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,360
fighting me and you can't find anybody but for me and like this just it's this

681
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:28,920
like cocky energy I think is also kind of fitting yeah so I think swiping

682
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,880
arcane tricks are off that list then makes sense and just scout and swashbuckler

683
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:38,800
if if you were to offer month and what's up class with muck it's not astral self

684
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,120
it could be drunken master for the hell of it honestly I think drunken master

685
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:49,560
not can say nuts unsold not long death and definitely not mercy the other the

686
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,440
other two that yeah the other two that suck out to me were open hand and way of

687
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,880
shadow so open hand is a really big focus on extra attacks and it's like a

688
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,760
bonus action key points you're hitting people as many times as you that's what

689
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,920
Sam was I'm pretty sure it's just as many times hitting somebody in a single

690
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,360
turn as you can and there's that's a lot of speed is involved in open hand and

691
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,920
then way of shadow it's more like from the stealth side of things like stealth

692
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,320
dying I would probably go shadow then or way of the drunken monk because it's a

693
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,400
lot it's like also performance based like your martial arts technique combine

694
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:30,440
like gestery dancery things of like it's also very luck focus like there's some

695
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,560
yeah I think I would probably narrow it down then to scout swashbuckler and

696
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:42,040
drunken master yeah who's up next Dionysus I have no fucking glue barred for

697
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,320
sure I think going with a barred subclass makes a lot of sense the question is

698
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:54,440
which one yes it was difficult this one's difficult there's not really like a

699
00:45:54,440 --> 00:46:00,400
revelry class I arts to an extent but we've kind of already picked some from

700
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,120
there I think if you're looking at dying which this is not in the person Jackson

701
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,120
universe at all but if you want to think about Dionysus is also being like a god

702
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:14,280
who can cause madness I think College of Whispers is very fitting wizards what

703
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,640
is that is that part barred that's part yeah yeah yeah I see what you're saying

704
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,640
yeah leaning into that more of like oh yeah no I think that makes a lot of

705
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:28,760
sense college we want to play the like madness aspect we spurs yeah I think that

706
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,400
also makes it a little bit more unique from the other sort of bar options on

707
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,400
there and then yeah I also think of like technically you could also look maybe

708
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,120
look at druid because like Dionysus did turn people into dolphins so there's your

709
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,880
wild shape but you can only turn into dolphins I would do circle of dreams then

710
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,440
I think that would work circle of dreams I was thinking that we're not

711
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,200
actually going through but it knows was one of the people that was added and I

712
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:01,480
think a circle of dreams fit very well for him yeah but also looking at druid

713
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:07,080
of like he's also the god of wine so like mm-hmm that nature aspect of it yeah

714
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,840
and then pan pan I don't know anything about pan so pan is he's the god of the

715
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:20,520
wild he's a sader all of the satyrs are considered children of pan not like

716
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:25,360
physically children of pan but like he's essentially their godly parent mm-hmm

717
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:31,000
that makes sense yeah that's a druid that is true how is it a druid that

718
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,800
doesn't line up with any of the other druid things you've chosen well

719
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,440
originally I didn't think about how many we were gonna be putting in druid to be

720
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,400
completely honest fair amount of druid I can also see like a lot of druid I can

721
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,440
also see paladin because satyrs are protectors in camp half blood and they're

722
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:53,520
like supposed to be responsible for the new like the newbies and stuff I think

723
00:47:53,520 --> 00:48:01,440
yeah I could see like oath of devotion or like

724
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:08,240
I don't know much about other redemption I'm gonna read that real quick okay I've

725
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:14,720
played both of the redemption it's it's Jedi you're playing a Jedi a little

726
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:22,480
a little less hoity-toity about it and not like a colossal asshole looking at

727
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,560
this I think that's a lot of fun very well I think that's a very like

728
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,840
protectory looking at the spells sanctuary sleep calm emotions I can tell

729
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,720
you it's incredibly hard to play that class in a group of people that don't

730
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:38,120
give a shit about redeeming people that was my whole experience playing was

731
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:43,200
that none of the other party members had any sense of morality in any way yeah

732
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,880
D&D is a fun game when you're all on the same page yeah so what oath of

733
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,920
redemption and then something in druid class that's a little bit more I mean

734
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,040
that's classic druid to me yeah but there isn't just like classic druid

735
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:05,800
circle of shepherd oh yeah yeah yeah you get like the fun little spirit things

736
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,680
with like totems you can summon creatures circle of separate makes a

737
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:17,600
lot of sense 14k paladin and then

738
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:31,040
druid druid cool man yeah that's all the it's a big 14 I guess yeah so I think in

739
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:36,120
the way of like how I would play this if I was running this and like walking

740
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:42,560
someone through character creation would be figuring out what type of like oh we

741
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,240
use every class look at that did we yeah we use bar I mean we use barbarian

742
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:50,720
once we use ranger once we use monk once there are few that we only used one

743
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,560
time we used every every class cleric Bard paladin fighter barbarian druid

744
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:00,480
monk ranger sorcerer rogue warlock wizard and artificer fucking look at us used

745
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,720
them all we did some we used four times others we used once some are a little bit

746
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:10,400
more versatile than others in the specific setting yeah and I think I

747
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,560
still stand by saying I would want people to have access to a full spell list

748
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,320
when it comes to like picking spells yeah because I just I think it's a

749
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,720
little bit silly to narrow it down in a setting like this where your focus is

750
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:30,080
less on what your what like the power scale of the spell is as opposed to like

751
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,160
the flavor of it yeah if that makes sense I would almost take it in the other

752
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,880
direction I would severely limit the number of spells that they could take

753
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:43,120
and make them significantly more powerful I would I I almost want to put a cap on

754
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,600
the amount of spells known well that's that's kind of where I was going with

755
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,200
reducing just the straight-up number that they have available I think that also

756
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:55,280
makes them feel more unique to the houses in a sense if they only have

757
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,560
access to their own spells yeah I should have clarified that a little bit more

758
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,040
each house would have their own spell list which would be like if we're looking

759
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:10,720
at child of Zeus it would include thunder and lightning spells from maybe like a

760
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:16,920
smite or something list and maybe some paladin stuff yeah but is more fitting

761
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,560
to your godly parent as opposed to just because like I don't think that a

762
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:27,720
fucking what's give me a house demeanor cool demeanor doesn't need access to

763
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:31,880
lightning bolt yeah you know what I mean I don't know if I never classed we chose

764
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,920
for demeanor would but the circle of the land and oath of ancient snider of which

765
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,200
would have anything lightning based well yeah no weather in there still stands

766
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:46,080
does still stand and I think also figuring out it's almost like similar to in

767
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,320
the in the capes and crooks system which we've talked about before on here

768
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,920
things become signature to you mm-hmm and very like in similar way to like

769
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:03,360
warlocks who are able to like steel yeah and like that and then also just they

770
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,520
have a fewer spells your spell slots make them more powerful yeah yeah a lot of

771
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,880
systems that take what warlock does and then just turn it into an entire magic

772
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,480
system yeah I mean it makes sense which like I mean I have a love-hate

773
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,120
relationship with because I think that they're fun to play every once in a

774
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,720
while but I also like having access to a bunch of different things as a player

775
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:27,080
yeah which this is just not the setting for that and I don't think anyone who's

776
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,680
playing in the setting is expecting that well I mean if you're again if your

777
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,240
child of Zeus there's no reason why you should be able to do anything that a

778
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:39,240
child of Hermes or Dionysus or Hades or Pan could do or like is able to yeah

779
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:44,240
you're very powerful at what you do in your niche mm-hmm I think it's also

780
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:51,560
something we're like you I immediately lost my train of thought that was so

781
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,880
fast that I immediately just fucking lost it so kind of back to the original

782
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:01,160
conversation how do you balance the big three I think want to introduce a

783
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,120
mechanical advantage slash disadvantage or do you just want it to be more of a

784
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,160
story thing where it's like hey where do the wise if you pick this this house

785
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,680
you're gonna get dogged on I think it's gonna be more of that I think it's if

786
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,200
you want to play a child of the big three that's a conversation that you need

787
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:22,680
to have with your GM mm-hmm and a ask is this possible yeah it would be the same

788
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,080
of like showing up to play at somebody's table who you've never met before and

789
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,880
showing up with your homebrewed class and race and just expecting to play them

790
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,200
off the bat and it's like well that doesn't fit into this world yeah of

791
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,400
being like is this okay this is what I I think if you want to play a child of the

792
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,600
big three I think that's one of those things where you have to have character

793
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,440
first make a second definitely have an idea of who you want to be well it's it's

794
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,480
a conversation everyone like each of the big three is a really big

795
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,200
conversation beforehand because for me like thinking about my past experiences

796
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,200
with capes and crooks in particular there were positions within the world

797
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,720
and background pieces that I allowed players to take that neither of us at

798
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:05,160
the time really understood what the implications were I would still let

799
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,080
those players choose those things but I would caveat it with a conversation

800
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:14,000
beforehand where it's I'm a huge advocate of players being able to make all the

801
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,520
choices in the story being a hundred percent driven off of what they're able

802
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,920
to do and that they can do anything where you kind of have to maybe throw a

803
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,400
cautionary sign to that style of play is saying hey I'm gonna let you choose this

804
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,240
it's a it's really fun but I'm gonna tell you now if you choose it you're gonna

805
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:34,240
like it there's a lot that comes with it yeah like I think one of the things that

806
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,920
I would sort of preface with playing any of the big three is that like all of

807
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,920
your decisions are going to matter more and not always in a positive way yeah

808
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,920
like anything that you do that is public-facing you're gonna bring both

809
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,280
negative and positive attention to your group if you travel outside you're a

810
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,040
massive target yeah like yes you are one of the only three casting like

811
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:58,800
spellcasting classes heavy spellcasting classes but also it's on site with

812
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:04,120
everybody you leave the camp it's on site yeah and I think also it's something

813
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:10,400
from a GM side of balancing players power because like if you're play if you

814
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,880
have a child of Zeus in a group and then you also have like a child of Hermes

815
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,320
those are not equal in terms of power you know what I mean yeah and I think that

816
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,920
what helps to with the way that we did it is by having every other class having

817
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,240
multiple options for subclasses as opposed to if you pick the big three

818
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,720
these are your three options I think that too but I also like in a role-play

819
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:34,080
focus of like if everything you do matters more because you're basically

820
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,560
you're it's like if you came into a party and you were a celebrity and all of

821
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,080
your other like party members were just normal people you inherently in that

822
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,800
like sense matter more and there's more attention on you and more focus on you so

823
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,200
I think it would also be a conversation with the other players at the table where

824
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,040
like I would talk to them and be like hey do you all want us to include a child

825
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,760
of the big three yeah just because that's something where it's like you don't

826
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,480
want to play and have Percy Jackson in your party right like we talked about

827
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,320
this would you talk about like you have like almost borderline personal beef

828
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,280
with Percy with how powerful he is would you want to play alongside him knowing

829
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:15,360
all the like not at all I mean it's like you can it's it's all you know good and

830
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,520
fun than all of his other like party members are really powerful and great

831
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,360
and cool but it's called Percy Jackson yeah book series is literally called

832
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,160
Percy Jackson he is the single most broken character in his verse yeah like

833
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:34,560
he tops gods and he is a child of one and then a child of a person of a regular

834
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,520
person yeah you don't want to plan a party with him because everybody is

835
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,600
gunning for you and you have like an a tenth of the power that that guy has yeah

836
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,760
I think it's something where you can have a conversation with the other players

837
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:51,600
like because I think looking at our table in per like as an example I think

838
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,040
that our table would be okay with someone playing a child of the big three I

839
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,000
think they would see that that works very well because we play at a

840
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:05,640
table where a lot of the players and just our method how we typically play is

841
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,280
one person kind of in the group the sets themselves is like the party leader the

842
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,080
party face yeah which is like a common like trope in D&D but like it is there's

843
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:19,360
a normally one player yeah that kind of makes a lot of the decisions and makes

844
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,960
all of the bold choices yeah and that's just the particular style of our table

845
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,280
so I think that that would like work for our table but I think for some tables

846
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,840
that are a little bit more like on to where that gets tricky is like making

847
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:35,960
sure that the person that wants to be a child of the big three is okay with

848
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:43,440
being that person yeah like if you're choose to be a child of Zeus and you're

849
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,920
not used to having a leadership role at the table it's gonna be a little bit of

850
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,680
rough-going's because whether you like it or not the outside world is gonna look

851
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,000
to you for your opinion before they look to any of your other party members

852
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,520
because your words matter significantly more yeah both in a in a positive in

853
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,960
incredibly negative way oh yeah you know like they're not gonna ask your

854
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,040
fucking child of Artemis standing next to you what they care about the social

855
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,000
political scape of the you know the pantheon when your child of one of the

856
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,440
big three that shouldn't exist yeah the focus is gonna be on you I'm not gonna

857
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,160
get the inside scoop on fucking who does it from Sederland if I could talk to a

858
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,360
child of Zeus and a lot of it also in the Percy Jackson universe because once

859
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,840
again if we're looking at the weight of structure playing a game like this I

860
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,320
think I would choose if we're not just doing like a slice of life hanging out

861
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:35,200
in camp half-blood a quest would be super fun and you're probably gonna end up

862
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,960
doing that and I think a lot of that is also gonna be like you're probably gonna

863
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,640
make up a little prophecy for your characters to follow and knowing that a

864
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,800
child of the big three is probably gonna be like prophecy focused yeah or like

865
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,920
quest will be given to them specifically so knowing that like you carry that

866
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,960
weight I do think it's something fun and I think it's something very very doable

867
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,520
for a lot of tables but I think it also depends because I when we GM when I

868
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:04,080
GM'd the Percy Jackson one shot all of you were children of minor gods and I

869
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:09,800
mean like we had like Nike hypnos guy I love that little guy

870
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:15,760
Chase was great like I you fucking loved playing chase I love that guy

871
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:22,360
fun little dude he wanted everything he was so much he's killing it man he's

872
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,800
doing great like what 12 year old child of Nike that had the energy of a 12 year

873
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:33,040
old boy who is never lost in his life so much fun you all can't see Robert was

874
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:39,960
dancing as I was describing this guy but I think that that is also equally fun

875
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,240
to have a group of people who are a little bit more balanced on the same

876
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,680
power level just because your child of big you're the big dick in the locker

877
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:52,120
room yeah like I think is it is a DM instead of I mean it's a mix right like

878
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,640
a lot of the responsibility is going to be on you to keep the story points

879
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,600
balanced and to keep the power thing balanced part of that is just also sort

880
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:05,040
of smart mechanic game design like making sure that your storm sorcerer your

881
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:12,960
neck your necromancer your fucking fathoms subclasses like that they I mean

882
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:17,040
they're all strong some are more strong than others so making sure that they're

883
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:22,320
just as balanced as the rest of them I think I would only the only advantage

884
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,280
now that we've talked about it that I would give to somebody choosing one of

885
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,720
the big three is from the story point yeah I mean that's where you would get

886
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,240
your most mechanically I would do my damnedest to make sure that they are

887
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,040
all on the same level because I think it just isn't fun when you give somebody

888
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,720
else more powers because of the background that they took yeah you know

889
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:44,120
like if you manage to min max the class that's on you but you know I'm not gonna

890
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,440
go and hand you extra shit because you had the option to choose the thing that's

891
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,080
big well I almost think that all children of the big three have to be min

892
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,640
maxed yeah just in mechanically of like and this is something like preset

893
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,000
classes it's almost like if you choose one of these three you are going to have

894
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,960
a significantly more catered level track than the rest of your constituents oh

895
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,680
yeah cuz there's not as much room for customization I can't let you pick things

896
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,800
that are gonna make you significantly more broken than the rest of your party

897
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,320
even though that's what makes sense because then no one else has fun well I

898
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,080
think with looking at them as min maxed characters it is there something

899
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,040
they're very good at and they're never gonna not be able to do yeah but they've

900
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,000
got weak they're all glass cannons they have Achilles heels like very strong

901
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,800
Achilles what is Percy's what is Perseus okay okay okay what is it I'm not I'm

902
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:38,760
saying in the world is it friendship because that didn't stop him his fatal

903
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,520
flaw in the series is his loyalty which is like he will let the world burn if it

904
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,280
means that he is saving his family and that's a great fatal flaw until you give

905
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,440
that guy infinite amounts of power and then that flaw no longer fucking matters

906
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:56,200
I agree because then it then it goes into oh I would I would do literally anything

907
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,560
to save any of my friends and then one of them ends up in a slightly perilous

908
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,600
situation it's like cool I will wipe this pantheon clean if it means my guy

909
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,960
doesn't have to go do whatever the fuck he has to do and that's what he

910
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:12,080
billard align does his girlfriend has to be like hey babe maybe we don't fucking

911
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:17,080
do that and that's nuts it's a crazy as opposed to giving that character fatal

912
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,840
flaw in being like that's what that person really wants to do but they cannot

913
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:25,360
because that's an insane thing that nobody should be able to do that is what

914
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,560
the red that's what the actual player characters in a campaign would look like

915
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:34,120
yeah here is your fatal flaw try as you might you cannot best it I well okay

916
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,760
with mid maxing I think you have a mechanical flaw yeah you have a

917
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,760
mechanical flaw for sure and that's what I'm saying of like if you kind of have

918
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,720
to be even maxed as a child of the big three if you're if we're gonna use child

919
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,440
of Zeus you've maxed out your charisma you're adding a plus five to all of the

920
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,640
damage that you're doing or whatever you take for sorcerer yeah with sorcerer

921
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,960
it's a double cast things yeah you're doing all of that but guess what if

922
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,360
somebody puts you in a fucking headlock my guy you do not have a great strength

923
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,640
store strength score I would probably I think that almost makes sense to like

924
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:08,080
setting locking in some scores like if you take child of Zeus maybe your forever

925
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:13,480
score on charisma 20 yeah forever score on strength like a fucking nine yeah you

926
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,920
know minus one to every strength role you ever roll and I think that's kind of

927
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,120
like how it has to be I think that works for all of the big three because it is

928
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:26,680
like you are specifically weak to certain things like one of the big points

929
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:31,840
in the lightning thief as Percy is spoilers I guess for Percy Jackson yeah

930
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:36,920
the book series it's been out for fucking ever yeah if one of the big points is

931
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:41,320
like they're trying to get from fucking New Jersey where Camp Half-Blood is to

932
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:47,520
crazy that it's in New fucking Jersey yeah it's a wild choice for a camp it's

933
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,840
wild so they're trying to get to LA right and they're like okay well why don't we

934
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,160
just fly and everyone's like cool your child of Poseidon if you go in the air

935
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,880
your plane is getting struck down by lightning before you leave the tarmac

936
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:06,120
like you were in that's in Zeus's domain you were not allowed to do that yeah and

937
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:13,320
kind of having those like those constraints of you are taking your like

938
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:18,880
using children of Athena for example automatically all of them are going to

939
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:23,000
get a fear of spiders yeah like that is built in that is a there's something

940
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,920
about the Jackson like you cannot escape yeah and I think that those are a nice

941
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:33,560
balance for things like and it's also a thing if this is something also canonical

942
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,680
to the first Jackson University I find pretty interesting is that children of

943
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:41,120
the big three specifically Zeus and Poseidon have built in beef with each

944
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:46,760
other that they cannot control because of who their godly parents is interesting

945
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,560
like there's some like random little things like that that kind of seep in

946
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,840
because this is something where I'm not like sitting down and writing a full

947
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,440
source book on yeah it can be very tailored to like individual players so

948
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:05,880
like pick two of the the cabins on there Artemis and Dionysus well they don't

949
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,480
have beef no zero beef so then they wouldn't have to like you wouldn't have

950
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,520
to roll in any beef but if you're gonna have for example not counting anabeth and

951
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,720
Percy you have a child of Athena and a child of Poseidon in the same party

952
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,400
there's probably gonna be like as a GM I would be like there's a little bit

953
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,720
of tension there and like argument because your parents really do not like

954
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,720
each other and you all are very devoted to your parents but it's part of what

955
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,000
yeah the whole thing so fun is that she was like I fucking cannot stand you you

956
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:38,400
dumb ass seaweed brain dipshit and then he was just like she's real pretty and

957
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:43,480
bossy but I'm kind of into it and then cut to like what nine books later or it

958
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:49,120
wasn't nine books cut to several books later he said so I'm going to burn down

959
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:55,840
the world being the most powerful simp to exist yeah they made a simp and then

960
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:01,440
gave him infinite power one of my like the head cannons are like theories are

961
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,320
whatever I see online is basically like yeah if anabeth had like fully died when

962
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,000
she was spoiler alert spells into Tartarus and then he dives in after

963
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:15,280
her they were like cool if she died I don't think that the series would have

964
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,600
continued in the way they wanted to like they wouldn't be fighting against the

965
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:28,960
Giants if Percy would be like tearing down places because that's really his

966
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:35,680
only tether to morality which is crazy I'm like I'm like brainstorming ways

967
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:40,160
like how do you kill Percy Jackson how do you do it like I think you have to have

968
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,400
in the same room what objects what items what magical fuckery do you have to have

969
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:49,040
going on is it the big three versus Percy like that's how we take them out

970
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:53,200
we like the brothers that refuse to speak or look at each other and be like

971
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:58,320
cool your time has come motherfucker a little bit I mean like I personally I

972
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:02,040
think if you just give anabeth a Glock she's taking care of it like I think that

973
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:08,800
she could kill him simply because of like how is a person how strict is is fate

974
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:13,360
in this universe and Percy Jackson you so like if somebody writes a prophecy that

975
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:17,480
says so-and-so is gonna drink a potion at the age of 25 and die well the

976
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:24,440
prophecies aren't that like right it's like oh my god I used to have the

977
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:29,080
prophecies memorized even to that extent how strictly do the characters end up

978
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:33,480
adhering to those prophecies they end up like actually happening but it's never

979
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,640
in the ways that you expect like that's the whole thing with prophecies of like

980
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:42,000
who writes them the Oracle and she doesn't really write him so the current

981
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,440
Oracle is this character named Rachel well they read right they read and they

982
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:52,440
don't read them they get possessed by the Oracle of Delphi yeah they just yeah

983
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:58,520
I know the Oracle's work well my other thought was that and this is again in

984
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,800
tangent how to kill an incredibly powerful and broken character the only

985
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,800
way that I could see outside of uniting powers that will never for any reason

986
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,600
outside of imminent death and destruction which they don't believe is

987
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:15,440
possible for them would be to have somebody write like to go to the powers

988
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,800
above and to be like cool prophecy time dog I don't care what we got to do write

989
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:25,160
them into a hole write them into a hole so you're saying that Zeus needs to go

990
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:30,480
to the writers room and say Percy's gonna die correct and dead ass yeah you

991
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:35,480
find a way to bribe to spend to do whatever for the oracles and be like

992
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:40,480
cool write his prophecy so that this motherfucker dies write him off write him

993
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:45,960
on an island write him away from us forever you know you I don't think that

994
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:51,320
you could do that but you could like you could try though I guess try because I

995
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,520
mean like looking at like you shall go at the first prophecy you shall go West

996
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:00,600
face the God who has turned find what was stolen see it returned trade by one

997
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,240
that calls you friend you shall save what you shall fail to save what matters

998
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,880
most in the end so the whole time they're thinking okay I have no idea who's

999
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:12,640
gonna betray me that I think is a friend I don't know but find what was so in

1000
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,240
see it safely returned okay that's gonna be the lightning bolt we know that going

1001
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:21,640
West we're going to LA and then failed to save what matters most in the end for

1002
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,400
a lot of it Percy thinks that it's gonna be getting the lightning bolt back and

1003
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,400
that's what's gonna fail and then he finds out oh psych actually you're not

1004
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:36,720
able to rescue your mom that's what it is and she gets back but and then you

1005
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,560
can also interpret as you shall find what was stolen and see it returned also

1006
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,560
being about his mother so it's one of those like interpretation things well

1007
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,840
the reason why I would go the fate direction is there are a lot of

1008
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:51,440
different interpretations of Greek myth in in sort of mythology my thing came

1009
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:59,400
unplugged I can't bear with me get in there motherfucker

1010
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:12,480
damn testing testing technical difficulties okay I'm back cool there

1011
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:17,680
are some in some interpretations of the myth and the mythology fate is one of

1012
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:25,760
those things that can be through very precocious and unseemly risky all the

1013
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:30,600
bad negative words there are ways that you can change fate or influence it or

1014
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:36,280
write it for another being that all come at a pretty significant price if that is

1015
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,320
something that you were willing to play with in the Percy Jackson universe there

1016
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,800
was in my mind the way that I would see that happening is a particular God goes

1017
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:47,160
out of their way using whatever power they have to bribe the fates to basically

1018
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,760
have them light a Percy straight up yeah because everyone in this universe sees

1019
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:56,520
prophecies and fate is something that cannot be avoided to an extent that will

1020
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,480
at least throw that person off their game long enough in theory for you to

1021
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:03,560
come up with another way to kill that person but here's my thing and you know

1022
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:08,880
and you're gonna hate when I tell you this it's pretty jaxon Percy canonically

1023
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:13,400
hates the prophecies it's just this energy of I don't want to fucking do that

1024
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:17,960
stop talking about me I don't give a shit what the prophecy says well maybe

1025
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,840
then you write it you write the prophecies about his friends about people

1026
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,560
that he cares about if that's his fatal flaw right if he's gonna follow anybody

1027
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,520
anywhere then you write it about people that are gonna follow that prophecy a

1028
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,120
little bit more yeah to the line I mean you want to talk about how you kill

1029
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:37,600
Percy you kill his mom you kill Anna Beth like but see that's when you back

1030
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,840
yourself into a corner though if you yeah no you don't it's like a really good

1031
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,720
way to get to Superman is to you know what was laying is to take lowest lane

1032
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:50,880
and we see how that plays out in injustice turns into a tyrant that

1033
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:56,520
can't be stopped you know so at what point do you make too big of an Oopsy

1034
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,880
and that Oopsy goes from like the perfect way to kill the character to okay

1035
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,400
we've we've now I'm on the run pulling the trigger and now there's no way to

1036
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:13,760
stop the consequences yeah you know yeah I poisoned yeah you good okay I'm

1037
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,080
fucking Anna but he's not immortal I need that but see the way that he's

1038
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,320
treated in the series you would fucking think he is no one comes up and tries to

1039
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:26,360
fucking like chop his head off in his sleep like I mean you know like if you

1040
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:32,640
shoot Percy Jackson he's a he's a like he'll die water well yeah or has a

1041
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:38,120
puddle next to him you know if you take Percy out to the desert and you put

1042
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:42,600
it go that's bad you tell him to look at the flowers landing like that's valid

1043
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:47,120
that's valid yeah well see that's not getting with the prophecy if you can if

1044
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:53,600
you can get him to the ideal location and then you know that may have to use

1045
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:58,120
not immune to just you know I'm Percy Jackson fuck you he's not immune to

1046
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,720
weapons he just has an insane healing ability don't have anybody fight him

1047
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,600
either because apparently that's a mistake too don't don't let it be a

1048
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,120
weapon where the person has to like best Percy in combat don't do that either

1049
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,720
because they'll fucking lose it doesn't matter who they're a child of what

1050
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:19,120
weapon they're using they will lose him stabbing Aries in the foot at 12 years

1051
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,920
old and winning that was that was a warning shot for the rest of the series

1052
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:28,320
that was like this character will never is not to be and can never be fucked

1053
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:33,520
with it's genuinely my favorite part about the Percy Jackson universe is that

1054
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:37,680
Percy fucking nuts canonically went to Olympus and said pay your fucking child

1055
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:43,760
support yeah or I'm burning this down and then they did there was ever a time

1056
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,680
for the big three to step up and be like not like that was the time I didn't love

1057
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,840
his purse like he's like yeah I love my child too if it was fucking Percy Jackson

1058
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,440
I mean that's the thing of like would you know he's gonna his kids if it if it

1059
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:00,720
was good if it wasn't fucking Percy the whole Athena thing right like if you

1060
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,400
fall off like fuck you but if you're you're doing great things I'm there

1061
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,440
with you yeah like Anna Beth is definitely one of her favorites I'll

1062
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,960
pay child support if there's something worth being child support too yeah I

1063
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,360
mean okay you did have a talking about people who've like tried to kill for

1064
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,320
with it we were fully just on it how do you kill Percy Jackson tangent yeah we've

1065
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:23,960
landed on take him to the desert and shoot him with an actual gun well I

1066
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,920
mean there's also perhaps with a prophecy tied to one of his friends so in

1067
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:34,920
the second series the the heroes of Olympus so long story short actually not

1068
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:39,520
long story short Hera has beef with Percy obviously yeah clearly I mean who

1069
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:44,480
doesn't correct I can't remember why Hera has specific beef I think it was

1070
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:48,280
cuz Percy literally was like talk shit get hit I don't know what to tell y'all

1071
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:52,720
I mean she's she's very despite the fact at least in mythology despite the fact

1072
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,240
that she despises her husband on many levels and everything that he stands

1073
01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:02,240
for she is one of the most strict adhears to mortals have to pay their dues

1074
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,720
oh no it's literally because Percy makes one of her there's there's a very fine

1075
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:12,000
line between mortals and non mortals and Hera in mythology is very strict to

1076
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:17,120
keeping that as it should be it's like it's the whole um oh who was it that

1077
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:22,200
lost the the contest Iraq Athena yeah I think I know I can knit better than you

1078
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,440
are so better than you're whatever spider now and then she beats her and

1079
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:30,120
Athena goes cool you're you're that good at it what if you were just the

1080
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:35,640
fucking creature that does that all the time have fun being a spider lady bitch

1081
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:42,160
and then sends her to be a Rackney you know and Hera is more of like oh you

1082
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,040
think you think you're big shit you think you're one of us psych motherfucker my

1083
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:51,560
husband is Zeus I rule these bitches you can eat shit yeah well there's this

1084
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:56,160
whole thing where Hera basically takes all of his memories yeah well I got that

1085
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,720
that's where to do it too pops his place with Jason and that's how we meet Jason

1086
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:06,600
um since Percy to Camp Jupiter which is the the Roman camp Jason to Camp

1087
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,280
Half-Blood Jason's kind of getting his ass whooped a little bit at Camp Half-Blood

1088
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:15,640
yeah which is just a fucking jank ass camp compared to Camp Jupiter where

1089
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:21,040
Percy learns oh wait y'all can live until you're like adults yeah yeah that's crazy

1090
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:25,960
what do you mean you have a college yeah have that option and then he's offered

1091
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,200
basically private school versus a public school yeah and then he's basically

1092
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:34,040
offered like he's just kicking ass he's doing great everyone loves him he is

1093
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:38,160
offered like a position like the highest ranking position there that Jason has

1094
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:43,880
worked like half of his life for it and Percy's just that guy yeah and he just

1095
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,760
shows up it's just like yeah everyone loves me it's kind of crazy I don't know

1096
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,680
who I am all I remember is there's this chick named Annabeth and that's literally

1097
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:57,720
all I remember also great at literally everything yeah he's love me you know I

1098
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:03,720
will say could you not who Percy is as a person offsets his powers yeah I don't

1099
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,360
have beef with the personality I want to be very clear everything I know about

1100
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,200
him he sounds like a perfectly likeable person well I think that's what keeps

1101
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,760
him balanced is that he's just like yeah I don't fucking know what I'm doing like

1102
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:19,080
shit what am I doing what am I doing fuck versus everyone else is like is that

1103
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,440
a god I think that like one of the characters Hazel literally thinks he's

1104
01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:28,320
a Greek god when she sees him for the first time meanwhile motherfuckers over

1105
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,760
here is just singing the duck tail theme song in his head as he's like running

1106
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:39,200
from a monster it's crazy I'm not saying it's not crazy he's so unintelligent he's

1107
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:47,080
very smart it's just he's also a very much a teenage boy yeah yeah like his

1108
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:52,480
priorities are that of a teenage boys yeah for sure at all times you know you

1109
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:56,480
can balance people one of the ways is by making them stupid or by making them

1110
01:17:56,480 --> 01:18:00,720
childishly stupid yeah you know I live in teenager world so I don't know to use

1111
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,800
my powers to do all these insane things Jason's also got the same way Jason's a

1112
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:12,200
little dense in my yeah you know dancing dancing people is a great way to balance

1113
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:17,040
them yeah let them know how to use their powers to the fullest ability and to

1114
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,040
the to the fullest extent let them know they're good yeah you tell somebody

1115
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,440
they're stupid their whole life they're gonna believe it yeah you know Percy

1116
01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:30,320
just does that internally any caps himself anyway out of that like very

1117
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,160
long tangent about how to kill Percy Jackson in terms of how I would run this

1118
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:39,360
desert and a gun baby I say what time are we at how are we looking 120 okay

1119
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:46,440
yeah we get let's real quick anything else we also let's make a character really

1120
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:50,640
quick oh that's using what we've done okay there's not a lot there to make a

1121
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,640
character with but I can do that what do you mean no I get you know what that's

1122
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:59,160
fair we have classes back that's valid that's valid oh here's a question before

1123
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,440
we jump into that how would you handle if multiple people wanted to be children

1124
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:09,120
of the big three so because you know that's there's a chance for that to happen

1125
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:17,480
um outside of just straight up looking at one of them and going no I think if I'm

1126
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:20,400
gonna have a child of big three at the table I would almost rather have two

1127
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:27,000
children of the big three yeah rather than just one mm-hmm that being said I as

1128
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:32,600
a GM if because of the way that I like to play in the way that I like to build in

1129
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,960
GM and my style is I want the players to come to me and tell me what they want out

1130
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:42,480
of the game good luck dog good luck I know that's a crazy ask I know I don't

1131
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:45,440
think that's a crazy ass for our table I think it's just a crazy ass for a lot of

1132
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:49,800
tables well I mean maybe that's just cuz I'm like more of a player than I am a

1133
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:54,440
GM yeah I mean the player experience versus Apple yeah that's how I did it to

1134
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:59,040
so like if I knew that multiple people wanted to play children of the big three

1135
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:04,080
yeah I would probably sit down and rewrite and somehow fuck up and fuck

1136
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,400
around and find out and tweak this world setting and it would not be

1137
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:13,040
traditional like Percy Jackson camp half-lead world to make it a setting

1138
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,880
where multiple children of the big three can't exist maybe this is gonna exist

1139
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:20,800
yeah 300 years in the future and it's a definitely some steady tweaks and it's

1140
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:26,200
like tweaking there only futuristic world at this point and they've backed out of

1141
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:30,160
the agreement and they're starting to have children again yeah I'm the only way

1142
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:34,800
I could see that I think you could also do like a like a hiding the status kind

1143
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:39,320
of thing yeah but like one of them is no the other one's not well the thing with

1144
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,400
that is that is a thing that like happens in this setting is like a lot of

1145
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,520
when you start out Percy's the only child of big three and then by the end of it

1146
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:51,520
you look at end of Heroes of Olympus there's two children of Zeus there's a

1147
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,440
Percy there's Tyson who's a Cyclops but still technically his brother yeah there's

1148
01:20:55,440 --> 01:21:00,360
two children of Hades Jesus like six of the motherfuckers running around so like

1149
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:06,000
it yeah I get that trying not to fall into that because at that point it's like

1150
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:11,720
there's no matter then and that's the thing the rules don't matter yeah pretty

1151
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,560
big rules don't matter I think at that point it could be like cool 20 years

1152
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:21,400
post the prophecy all of the children of the big three that have like been had are

1153
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:25,960
just fully coming out of the woodwork because everyone's been lying yeah which

1154
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:31,200
I mean to the children of Hades were not lying they just got stuck back I know

1155
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:36,560
there were three because one of them died but they were all from like before

1156
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,960
the contract happened they were all from like the 30s and 40s but they got stuck

1157
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,800
in some type of like time loop like one of them got two of them were stuck in the

1158
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:48,560
Lotus Hotel from the poker face scene what's so funny and they were stuck

1159
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:53,560
in the hundreds of years which is why they were around in children

1160
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:58,280
um that's funny like that's being a child of the big three and getting stuck in a

1161
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:04,280
hotel for 100 years like you get out he doesn't give a fuck about you you got

1162
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,720
stuck in an arcade machine for a hundred years dog

1163
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,480
mad disappointment this other guy named Percy on the other hand is actively

1164
01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:15,760
threatening the pantheon every other day and you got stuck eating fucking

1165
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:20,480
flower-shaped cookies and playing pinball minecraft you're playing minecraft

1166
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:24,400
that's not what happened and I want to let a colossal what listeners to know that

1167
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,600
I know that's not what happened but this is a funny bit like colossal fuck up

1168
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:34,240
you would have to be if you got stuck with the VR headset on god oh man I

1169
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:39,560
would retire from being a demigod at that point like stick me back in you

1170
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,640
didn't have to wake me up actually know the plot twist is everyone in the Lotus

1171
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,080
casino is actually a child of the big three that's really old that's where they

1172
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,840
son set children of the big three where it's like oh shit

1173
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,720
contract happening they're not allowed to know you exist everybody go in this

1174
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:59,160
little hotel we did go eat a cookie until we decide that the uh lotus a

1175
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,520
lotus flower shape cookie like legitimately I think that's what I would

1176
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:08,000
do yeah is just make it a bit yeah one of the shit one of them got loose again

1177
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:14,640
like half of it got out of his case I need to put these fuckers on a leash

1178
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:21,680
like that energy he gets tired of DDR and decided he wanted to go outside

1179
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:29,080
decimate bloodlines oh boy yeah it's just a very long conversation yeah they

1180
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,640
have with everybody I think it'd be fun to do a one shot with just three people

1181
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,240
that were each a different child of the big three that could be fun you're all

1182
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:43,720
level 15 have fun 15 go prance you know I'm saying yeah that's y'all are

1183
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:49,000
killing yeah see how many things like let's see how crazy your run gets until

1184
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,720
eventually you find something that stops you know we're just we're doing a

1185
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,800
rogue like how many levels can you clear before somebody shits on you like

1186
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,000
fucking frogger yeah pretty much man I mean that's also how like children like

1187
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,280
demigods kind of work in this world which is like fucked up how insane can

1188
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:12,400
you make it like you die like in camp half blood he's like huh crazy that the

1189
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:17,280
counselors are like 14 I wonder why that is it's cuz none of them could be older

1190
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:24,320
than like none of them make it to fuck it 16 17 18 yeah that's why okay get back

1191
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:36,040
on track yeah making a character I want to start with the the class house that

1192
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:40,200
it's helpful I mean I don't I feel like the house is significantly more

1193
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:44,880
important in the background the background is a little bit is a way for me

1194
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,880
to curve or to play into the tendencies that would come with one of these

1195
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:54,920
children oh Jesus I don't even know which one I want to pick hair is off limits

1196
01:24:54,920 --> 01:25:03,440
the big three seems straight a little too straightforward please let me be a

1197
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:10,320
male member of our no please no please no come on I took that test like six

1198
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,720
times and it gave me art it could be a girl every single time you could be a

1199
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:19,040
girl come on let me look it up real quick let me see I mean we've you've

1200
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,640
looked it up it's not it shouldn't be possible like it would have to be

1201
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,640
something that you would allow me to do

1202
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:37,600
children of Artemis are female yeah no I know that I know what we had this

1203
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:42,760
conversation there's something that just says sons of Artemis tend to be

1204
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:48,280
distrusted by the hunt I'm due to the fact of being a male I'm if you'll allow

1205
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:52,920
it I would be cool with being a black sheep I think that would be kind of fun

1206
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,720
my thing is though I don't know what to do with you because you have to be a

1207
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:01,120
child of another God originally because children of Artemis are children of the

1208
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:05,920
hunt have to pick another one then yeah which is like children of Artemis are

1209
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,880
they're not biological children of Artemis because she's a maiden yeah no I

1210
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:15,920
know what Artemis is lore is yeah for context of those that aren't super

1211
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:21,120
aware of what like the myth the mythological aspect of her is she's a

1212
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:28,720
two of the things that she is a goddess of are Jastity and sort of like not

1213
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:34,760
having any romantic endeavors goddess of the moon hunting Jastity didn't have

1214
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:40,840
children so I get I get just let me fulfill my dream okay as I'm looking up

1215
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,800
like let me fulfill my dream I'm looking on the wiki right now and I'm like

1216
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,920
reading through it I'm like reading through the traits and I don't know who

1217
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:52,360
made this but some of this is not canon and not true and it's crazy that they

1218
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:56,480
put this on a website yeah do you like to hear one of them yeah what's up are

1219
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:59,520
you sure you want to hear one of them yeah what's up children of Artemis tend

1220
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,480
to be painfully shy about sexual intercourse because their mother is a

1221
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:07,280
virgin goddess see that is not true that is some 14-year-old made that up that

1222
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,680
is not canonical I refuse to believe that that is canonical that is a weird

1223
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:17,280
thing to say it's a weird thing to say but in mythos it's true yeah but also on

1224
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:21,920
here it says that children of Artemis also tend to be these sexualities and I

1225
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:26,200
also don't think that it's fair to say that children of one interesting lean

1226
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:32,520
towards a particular sexuality yeah no I get that I get that controversial take

1227
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:36,000
here could I so I have to pick an original parent then in this case yes

1228
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,200
can't just be Artemis can I pick one of them

1229
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:47,560
are you just because I know because I there's no there's no better I'm not

1230
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:52,320
saying I'm not saying no I'm just saying you are just building Talia Grace am I

1231
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:57,240
she was a daughter of Zeus damn it I was gonna be a bitch who became a child

1232
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:02,080
of Artemis son of a bitch Hunter Artemis was like punk she got turned into a

1233
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:06,280
tree for a really long time fuck fuck fuck fuck it's already been done older

1234
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:11,160
sister already been done yeah son of a bitch

1235
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:18,120
god damn it I you can I'm just telling you that that is already a character I

1236
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:22,680
don't want to tread previous territory here I don't want to just make the same

1237
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:27,920
character with different genitalia like what's the point you know what's the

1238
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:34,080
reason I mean I think there's some other fun options on here I'm just looking at

1239
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,160
the subclasses and thinking which of these subclasses what I actually want to

1240
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:45,520
play honestly fathomless with Poseidon sounds fun just because I've never done

1241
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:51,920
that like I also have a in my own spare free time my own interests I really

1242
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:57,200
enjoy listening to different stories about like monsters of the deep like some

1243
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:01,960
people have the lasophobia which is a phobia of like the deep the deep sea I am

1244
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,960
on the complete opposite of the spectrum I love listening to stories about that

1245
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,920
shit I think you fucking freak I think deep sea critters the bigger the better

1246
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:15,080
like I think that shit is so cool and fun in like a freaky kind of way so that's

1247
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:20,920
kind of something that sticks out to me sometimes when I like sometimes when

1248
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,560
those like the lasophobia videos come across my like for you page I'll watch

1249
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:29,880
them and just make myself sick yeah and I know that will every time the ones that

1250
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:35,960
jump out to me that I think I'd be interested in playing Poseidon Demeter

1251
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:43,640
Ares I think Athena's just who I am as a DM I want to get away from this player

1252
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:49,760
not really Apollo Artemis is just the only the only thing I want to do is it's

1253
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,040
already been done and I'm not gonna do that you can fuck a Festus fuck every

1254
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:59,800
actually wait a minute wait a minute I'm in Hephaestus sounds a little bit fun

1255
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:05,120
sounds a little fun I'm not doing Hermes it's his head studded he's an asshole I

1256
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,840
don't like him I think you could play a child of Hermes very well but I've said

1257
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:15,920
that before yes you have yes you have why I think that you fit into that jack of

1258
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:20,040
all trades oh yeah energy and I think that you also have a tendency to have a

1259
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:24,760
lot of fun playing very arrogant characters oh yeah like it's valid

1260
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:29,080
almost all of the characters that I've seen you play almost all of them I would

1261
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:32,160
put his child of Hermes

1262
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:38,000
that's some thinking of like the four or five that I've had a chance to be

1263
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:44,840
including my my NPCs yeah this is a fun type I'm not saying there's anything

1264
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,280
wrong with that most of mine would also probably fit into the same category

1265
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:55,800
Magnolia would have been a challenge is yes she would have been yep yep I think

1266
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:00,680
Dionysus I think she would have again this is another like she wanted to be a

1267
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:04,880
clown yeah she would have loved to have been a child of Dionysus is that what

1268
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:14,440
she is no in another world yeah you know what maybe to be different and Festus

1269
01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:18,960
also don't play super combat heavy characters so like the idea of being a

1270
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:24,440
child of Aries is also kind of fun I don't like necromancy I think it's a

1271
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:31,240
little boring I agree I'm not being a satyr I refuse it's nothing interesting

1272
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,560
about that one to me yeah I don't know it's definitely it's yeah between

1273
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:41,240
Poseidon Demeter Aries and Hephaestus I'm not playing Hermes because I want to

1274
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:49,120
break the cycle so it's between those four I'll be back I think in terms of like

1275
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,880
building an interesting character I think that there could be I think there's

1276
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:57,280
always fun to be had with Poseidon I'd also be interested in seeing Demeter

1277
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:01,760
yeah Hephaestus I think that you could do pretty easily so if you're wanting to

1278
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:08,720
push yourself in a new direction Iron Man I think this is fun you sound really

1279
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:13,240
excited about Iron Man I just have so many it depending on how many ass

1280
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,880
pulls I could get out of that there are so many things that I would want to do

1281
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:21,240
with Hephaestus like with a child of Hephaestus I'm looking to make so many

1282
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:25,760
objects that just shouldn't exist it's just no I fuck with that let's go let's

1283
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,480
go that route I love the concept of making things you shouldn't yeah let's

1284
01:32:29,480 --> 01:32:34,960
take that it move that sentence making things you shouldn't mischievous

1285
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:40,360
Hephaestus so which would you be leaning more towards Battlesmith or armor

1286
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:46,160
armor armor oh yeah talked about that armor the whole mechanical owl thing

1287
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:50,080
doesn't really yeah I don't know where you got mechanical owl and just like the

1288
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:55,920
first thing I think of just in general the first no there's some there's one

1289
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:01,600
of the movies oh it's one of the the god the wrath of the god movies or whatever

1290
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:06,040
the fuck they're called yeah well you would know what if I showed it to you

1291
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:13,000
the main character is always Perseus but it's like an adult ass man oh yeah yeah

1292
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:17,920
like that and there's the little mechanical owl thing in there yeah yeah so

1293
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:23,760
we know what we want the class to be so moving to

1294
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:30,600
background how fast this sucks you chose it you were just excited I'm excited

1295
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,760
about the class I'm not excited about that being my fucking parent okay who's

1296
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:39,640
having sex with Hephaestus he is canonically one of the ugliest motherfuckers

1297
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:45,640
and that is why it is a curse upon Aphrodite's record that she is legally

1298
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:52,360
married to Hephaestus why she actively steps out and fucks Aries constantly

1299
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:56,200
because nobody wants to touch Hephaestus with a tin football in Greek

1300
01:33:56,200 --> 01:34:00,880
mythology Hephaestus had many children with with various consorts including

1301
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:07,960
goddesses nymphs and possibly humans oh Jesus I just read the next sentence

1302
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:12,880
after what was highlighted and I'm not reading that on the podcast but that's

1303
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:19,680
a crazy sentence oh I know the myth that they're talking about I know the myth

1304
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:27,440
they're talking about but that's not how holy shit that's crazy talking about

1305
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:34,880
but like what a crazy wow like of events I the version I read it was sweat I

1306
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:39,440
think what there's there's one thing I learned in my Greek mythology class that

1307
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:43,520
there are many different versions of the myth and because we don't have one to

1308
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:47,680
one records there's no way to confirm which one was real yeah that could have

1309
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:54,640
been sweat come and see man who knows that's so fun yeah the low lights of

1310
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,360
what we just read is Hephaestus wanted to have sex with Athena Athena was like

1311
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:02,800
no I'm good and then Hephaestus was like yeah but I think I'm still into this and

1312
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:07,520
then some of it got on Athena Athena wiped it off with a rag threw that rag on

1313
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:14,400
the ground that rag then got Gaia the planet pregnant and then that thing gave

1314
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:19,160
birth to a child and then Athena adopted that child yep she passed out support

1315
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:25,000
even though she didn't have to yeah yeah and if I suppose deadbeat father when

1316
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,240
is he listen he cares about one thing and that's his artifacts yeah and Zeus

1317
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:33,520
works that fucking man to the bone I'm trying to find the walls he made the

1318
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:38,240
walls of Olympus he made almost all of the big like the the primary weapons that

1319
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:45,160
all of the big anything uses really I can't find anywhere how children of

1320
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,200
Hephaestus are born so we're just gonna assume that it's random guy

1321
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:52,880
additionally random person what do we what are we thinking for the background

1322
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:59,280
we talked about our three options are kind of armor urban rule or suburbs and

1323
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:04,440
then within that you've got private versus public education so the two big

1324
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:09,000
the back okay the three bigger backgrounds or ideas pictures of

1325
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:14,280
backgrounds that I'm kind of getting in my mind here is there's like the rule

1326
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:18,560
version is a guy that like works on tractors or fixes up like the farming

1327
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:23,360
equipment or is like one in a town of like six and just does all of the like

1328
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:29,280
trinket fixing yeah then there's like the you know in the super compact like

1329
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:34,000
New York Chicago setting where it's like fixing up cars and working at a

1330
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:38,360
mechanic shop and you know doing those kinds of things and then like the upper

1331
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:42,240
end of that is working not working but I guess the private education is like he

1332
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:46,400
has access to a 3d printer and is like in a Miles Morales type charter school

1333
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:51,040
where it's like yeah a lot of really sick technology and there's like a level

1334
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,560
of privilege where he gets to make literally whatever he wants yeah so

1335
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,760
those are kind of the three like I guess kind of settings or backgrounds that I'm

1336
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:03,120
imagining for this person what do you lean more towards I've already done the

1337
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,960
middle one I've done the middle background many times for different

1338
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:10,360
characters so I'm gonna roll the mechanic just like the from like the New

1339
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:15,400
York setting where it's like the I think it's just I think subconsciously you

1340
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:18,680
just really love doing the Jersey accent it's one of the accents and best step

1341
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:23,880
yeah also being compared to that person type in real life many times from people

1342
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,240
that have visited those places and I don't even I've never been to them

1343
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:31,400
haven't been to one of them it's so they're like you could basically be one

1344
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:38,840
of them that's crazy so I'm from southern Indiana I don't have the money to live

1345
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:43,200
in New York I'm glad that you think I could be there though we are from about

1346
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:47,800
two hours away from each other I get told that I sound like southern occasion

1347
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:53,560
or I sound I not sound southern that I have a Kentucky accent that's yeah

1348
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:57,080
that's crazy I mean sometimes you do sometimes you don't what correct I have

1349
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:01,520
accent drift of whoever I'm around and you get told you have a Jersey accent

1350
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:07,520
we are two hours apart and those are two vastly different accents I just think

1351
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:12,320
that's it's funny yep anyways eliminating the first or eliminating the

1352
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:18,080
second if I'm going more with the like trying to make things that shouldn't be

1353
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,860
made or pushing the boundaries on like what can be made then my thought would

1354
01:38:21,860 --> 01:38:25,360
be to go with the third where it's more like private school access to the really

1355
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:31,120
upper ends of things the like dreaming big constantly and always pushing the

1356
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:36,360
limits on the things that can be made versus like the hodunk I fixed tractors

1357
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:43,040
and yeah helped an old lady get her toaster working again you know so I

1358
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:47,160
thought about that guy's doorbell I was looking at the backgrounds that come

1359
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:51,880
with 5e I'm not really yeah they're not feeling any of them for this particular

1360
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:57,960
one so I'm gonna make them up on the fly go ahead tool proficiencies are

1361
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:01,720
obviously gonna be whatever the fucking crafters tools are artisan tools

1362
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:07,720
whatever yeah you're gonna get proficiency with those which are also

1363
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:16,000
going to get with being a artificer yeah so that should give you expertise with

1364
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,440
them at least that's the way that I interpret it in the way we generally do

1365
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:22,400
it at our table is if you have two things that say that you both get

1366
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:27,240
you get proficiency in the skill in two separate places we allow it to double

1367
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:32,440
and you get expertise can I thinking about that background then could it

1368
01:39:32,440 --> 01:39:37,680
maybe be that part of instead of it being like I like forge and fire and

1369
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:42,160
Smith my maybe the idea for the character then is that it's trying to bring

1370
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:48,160
like the technology of the modern world into I think what can be made here

1371
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:53,400
that's a super fun concept because camp half blood is canonically very like the

1372
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:58,240
half blood world is super technology averse like mechanics are one thing

1373
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,080
and maybe that's where the like making things that shouldn't be made yeah

1374
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:06,720
come you found a way to jailbreak a cell phone and allow you to like half

1375
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,960
bloods and demigods to be able to use it without attracting monsters like I

1376
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:17,600
think that's a super fun concept and like way to go about this for skill

1377
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:23,000
proficiencies I would say oh my god I wish I had a list of all the skill

1378
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:27,640
proficiencies because now I'm like yeah it's difficult there's a lot to know

1379
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:34,600
laking there's a lot to know give me a second trying to think of the

1380
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:38,000
intelligence-based ones I don't think any of those necessarily work though

1381
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:44,280
there's not really any that are like craft aligned no not in the not in fifth

1382
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:49,320
edition I'm gonna say bonus to slight of hand your proficient in slight of hand

1383
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:54,200
yeah yeah because I guess slight of hand is used for a lot of those things isn't

1384
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:59,640
it yeah and then I'm going to say in this world in this setting it's not our

1385
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:04,240
conna it's gonna be lore yeah that's it that's one of my favorite changes with

1386
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:09,800
the capes and creaks is changing that I think it makes more sense so cuz lore in

1387
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:18,000
history I think are different mm-hmm so I'm gonna give you lore as well so you'll

1388
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:27,120
have proficiency with that thank you I'm looking at the other things languages

1389
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:31,640
are gonna be useless in this yep they're useless in our setting unless you

1390
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:37,920
intentionally make them useful yeah so equipment right up not a thing that needs

1391
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:45,600
to be set of artisan's tools a cell phone hell yeah you've been able to jailbreak

1392
01:41:45,600 --> 01:42:00,520
and a pouch containing 15 drachma hell yeah equipment jail broken phone now this

1393
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:04,080
is normally when we would roll on the like little pull little personality

1394
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:09,240
traits chart but you want to we don't have one that I think fits I think you

1395
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:17,240
can use though yeah I mean I think you still can not bad I'm looking at gild

1396
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:22,640
artisan go ahead and we don't have dice I can roll a digital thing to pull yeah

1397
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:33,120
yeah person tools what am I rolling a six you're gonna roll a d8 okay cool and

1398
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:43,120
we'll just reshape whatever this is yeah for sure roll a d8 three I always want

1399
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:50,840
to know how things work and what makes people tick well that's correct yeah

1400
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:57,400
generally sure all right roll again one to know how things work I like to roll

1401
01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:04,240
for at least two on personality traits I agree one's usually not enough roll

1402
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:12,760
again five I'm rude to people who lack my commitment to hard work and fair play

1403
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:18,160
okay do you want to pick another one because these feel a little too rude to

1404
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:24,800
non hard work that feels a little too real to who you are no I think I'm fine

1405
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:29,680
with keeping that okay I'm okay with that because I think I think the way that I

1406
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:37,360
would play it different than myself is it's more of like oh like if you're not

1407
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:42,680
crazy about it if you're not pushing the limits constantly yeah then you're not

1408
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:46,360
doing it right so it's less of the like okay you're not as dedicated as I am it's

1409
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:50,200
like no like you're not pushing this as far as it could be yeah like you just you

1410
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:53,360
haven't min maxed this thing that you're doing and that's why you're failing

1411
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:57,480
like that's why you fucking suck like I imagine him as a guy that always has a

1412
01:43:57,480 --> 01:44:02,040
monster and an Adderall like he's just constantly working things out yeah it's

1413
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:06,000
like if you're not pushing your body to failure on this is an engineering major

1414
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:11,240
yeah that's exactly who I'm imagining this is like he's just he's always trying

1415
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:14,960
to push out new stuff that shouldn't be pushed yeah and it's like what if it

1416
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:20,640
fucking calm down yeah yeah yeah so going with this I think even not rolling on

1417
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:25,160
the ideal chart this is kind of leading me to this is a little bit more of a

1418
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:32,240
chaotic alignment yeah chaos yeah for sure oh yeah alignment great it's my

1419
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:40,400
least right well just the idea of like no that yeah I get that I like I'm looking

1420
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:46,840
at these and trying to like figure out how to word one I want to I think this

1421
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:50,680
is the only character where I have ever landed this is a moment for me where I

1422
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:57,080
have ever landed on chaotic neutral the only character in concept because I'm

1423
01:44:57,080 --> 01:45:00,880
thinking in his mind it doesn't matter what the purpose is no it doesn't have

1424
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:06,640
to be good or bad it's the only the only purpose to this is to make the craziest

1425
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:11,480
best thing I possibly can I'll be damned the consequence yeah like I'm jail

1426
01:45:11,480 --> 01:45:14,560
breaking phones and bringing them into Camp Half Blood so that I can make like

1427
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,920
tech-based stuff which like going back to who the people at Camp Half Blood are

1428
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,400
a lot of people at Camp Half Blood are delinquents they are problem students

1429
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:25,720
because of being a demigod in the way that you are wired in the Percy Jackson

1430
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:30,000
universe canonically you're often a troublemaker because you often have ADHD

1431
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:34,360
or another disability that often paints you as a problem child and weird things

1432
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:38,080
happen to you and you find yourself in weird situations which are magically

1433
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,480
based but you don't know that so you're just a problem child and a lot of like

1434
01:45:41,480 --> 01:45:44,560
people come from alternative schools and stuff like that so like I think this

1435
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:47,000
also is a concept that works really well of if you're someone who's like

1436
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:51,040
pushing the brink and pushing the limits with technology and stuff that's

1437
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,880
something in the in this 21st century that is very much a thing that like we

1438
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:59,160
all knew the kids who jail broke the Chromebooks and got all of the illegal

1439
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:03,760
stuff on them yep and like this that and the other like that's what you're doing

1440
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:09,600
you're like mm-hmm but yeah chaotic alignment of like you are pushing things

1441
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:15,480
as far as they can go consequences be damned yeah well I can't believe I

1442
01:46:15,480 --> 01:46:25,520
landed on that d6 yeah baby five um I've only spiced doesn't really fit so we

1443
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:29,760
can also re-roll one day I will return to my guilds improve that I'm the

1444
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:33,800
greatest artisan of them all with demigods it's not really a thing where

1445
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:38,120
you can like return back somewhere and prove that you're cool and good because

1446
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:44,040
it's like yeah they're mortals I could see there being a level of hubris where

1447
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:50,280
maybe it's because nobody has ever pushed the boundaries like with modern

1448
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:55,080
technology and like myth like mythological tech maybe part of it is not

1449
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:58,920
necessarily going back to the guild but like just maybe is that it can be done

1450
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:02,320
yeah proving that it can be done yeah right like the end goal is to make

1451
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:06,880
something that is is so seamlessly both of those things and is better because of

1452
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:10,880
it that like nobody can doubt that that is the better option and that he is the

1453
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:15,200
one that made it because this is falling under bonds how do we bring that with a

1454
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:19,600
person or a group of people because bond the whole thing with bond is like it's

1455
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:23,480
supposed to give you that like connection to something or someone because

1456
01:47:23,480 --> 01:47:26,400
like other examples on this are like I pursue wealth to secure someone's love

1457
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:31,360
or I owe my guild a great debt for forging me into the person I am today I

1458
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:34,480
created a great work for someone and found them unworthy to receive it I'm

1459
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:38,400
still looking for somebody worthy so how are we taking that concept or tying it

1460
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,880
into a person or is there another way that you would like to like add yeah I

1461
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,000
mean the three groups of people that stick out to me that could fit that is

1462
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:50,600
whatever school he's from maybe it's it's a thing where it's really competitive

1463
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:54,160
he's kicked out maybe that's part of what sort of starts him on the camp half

1464
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:58,600
blood journey finding a school that is like accepting of his proclivities

1465
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:02,440
because you know they all get there in their own fucking weird ways yeah and

1466
01:48:02,440 --> 01:48:06,840
maybe part of the end goal then is to like get into that school like yes

1467
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:11,160
being an adventurer right not only what the term is here of being a half blood

1468
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:15,400
or adventure or whatever that's fun but like the original goal here was to get

1469
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:19,800
accepted into this school and they clearly didn't want me I could see that

1470
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:23,640
being an option depending on what his relationship is with Hephaestus or

1471
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:27,800
whoever his parent is I could see either one of those two people being that

1472
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:34,560
person or a group of people here or just somebody at camp half blood or like camp

1473
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:38,360
half blood in general right like there's such a strong and well-known

1474
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:43,320
anti-technology vibe there that maybe part of the early experience for him is

1475
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:47,800
being told like no like this is the wrong way like you're never gonna get an A on

1476
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:51,760
that assignment because you are refusing to do it the right way yeah I think a

1477
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,760
situation where it's like you bringing in this technology and doing what you do

1478
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,960
and then being immediately told by like the higher-ups and the people that you

1479
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:04,400
learned are the people to be respected in like revered in this setting are

1480
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:08,880
telling you what the fuck are you doing stop that you fucking idiot that's gonna

1481
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:13,680
like attract monsters and blah blah blah blah blah and being like and learning

1482
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,920
about that and being like no I'm gonna prove you wrong I'm gonna prove that

1483
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:21,000
like I can do this and then I think also kind of leaning into that thing with

1484
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:25,480
Hephaestus of like maybe your dad even is like hey knock this shit off

1485
01:49:25,480 --> 01:49:29,920
yeah like what you're doing is not that was that was all about creation but like

1486
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:34,280
one of my questions then building this character is what do you think is sort of

1487
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:37,480
the DM is the relationship then between Hephaestus and this person is it a

1488
01:49:37,480 --> 01:49:41,480
situation where Hephaestus leans on the side of camp half blood and sort of the

1489
01:49:41,480 --> 01:49:45,920
other gods where technology is like it's like the modern tech is like a no and

1490
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:51,040
if so is it because like oh ours is better or is it like a they don't have

1491
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:54,960
theirs they don't have any which is I so I don't think it theirs is better I think

1492
01:49:54,960 --> 01:50:00,680
well in the sense that like there is technology to an extent right like a

1493
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:06,800
Smith is a form of technology a you know a whatever like the lightning bolt that

1494
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:11,680
Hephaestus makes for Zeus is a form of weapon technology like is I guess what I

1495
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:15,080
mean by that is is it is is it a situation where Hephaestus is like

1496
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:19,240
clearly all of the things I have done and like all of the technology that I have

1497
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:25,880
given to people is a one it's stood the test of time we don't fuck with that

1498
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:30,720
other shit because it's subpar like where or is it like a he's supportive of it

1499
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:38,400
or I don't know I think it's a situation where in a very godly parent way you get

1500
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:43,960
different vibes mm-hmm I think in actuality what it is is he doesn't want

1501
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:49,680
you to die like I mean I think Hephaestus is a decent enough father or at least the

1502
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:53,840
way that I am interpreting him in this specific setting just because it's been

1503
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:57,960
a royal since I've read Heroes of Olympus or seen Hephaestus as a father I

1504
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:02,560
think that he's also very like like you're giving a very mad scientist

1505
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:07,800
energy yeah and I think that Hephaestus has that as well and also being like hey

1506
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:13,720
I'm with you but you also need to like back to fuck down sometimes because

1507
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:21,040
we I think there's a there's a time of him being like I know he knows if the

1508
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,400
Hephaestus knows that he's powerful mm-hmm but I think there's a moment also of

1509
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:30,760
him being like I know that I'm not going to fight Zeus yeah I'm not going to

1510
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:34,720
fight the Pantheon like I'm not going I'm not gonna step up I know my place

1511
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:39,040
yeah I'm smarter than what people give me credit for and I'm not gonna let people

1512
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,960
make fun of me and walk all over me but at the same time I'm not going to try

1513
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:45,720
and rise above my station right and you are trying to rise above your station

1514
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:52,400
I know you can't do it yeah but you know where you lay but you need to like know

1515
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:57,560
mm-hmm when the push and when did not push yeah so I think it's kind of that

1516
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:02,120
in between of he's like I don't doubt that you can do it but I don't think you

1517
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:09,200
should mm-hmm and what does that mean to you yeah yeah cool

1518
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:18,120
roll a d6 flaws another six flaws yeah four um I'm never satisfied with what I

1519
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:22,760
have I always want more we've already established that yeah I mean I'll write

1520
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:32,320
it on there for fun I'll roll another one for that yeah five it's like fucking

1521
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:41,000
third five I would kill to acquire a noble title we can re-roll that that's a

1522
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:46,080
lot no I get it I could see it with the character though because like the

1523
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:50,160
ultimate stamp of approval would be given a seat at the table of the people

1524
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:54,120
that get to make all the tech for all the gods yeah I think maybe once he gets

1525
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:58,280
there it's this realization that like okay I'm like I'm an ambitious person

1526
01:52:58,280 --> 01:53:03,920
but I was thinking small potatoes yeah like there's like my father after

1527
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:09,680
however long being there like my father makes the weapons for the gods like the

1528
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:15,480
ultimate level then that I could be on is seat at the same table yeah I mean

1529
01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:19,480
what if I'm also and then it's not just the fact like it's not just the old

1530
01:53:19,480 --> 01:53:24,280
brand of tech what if my brand of tech is so a cut above the rest that they have

1531
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:29,560
to invite me I think that that fits very well with the setting of the world

1532
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:33,840
specifically because most of the I'm probably gonna set this in that like

1533
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:38,640
weird nondescript time I did the last one where there are some people at camp

1534
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:42,960
I'm gonna use Annabeth as an example of she would be someone that I think that

1535
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:47,160
your character would look up to as a case of like it's possible because she's an

1536
01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:51,480
architect and blah blah blah blah blah she gets invited to redesign Mount

1537
01:53:51,480 --> 01:53:56,400
Olympus and she does she is the new architect for Mount Olympus she is a

1538
01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:03,280
mortal demigod who you have eaten lunch with before so it's it's decidedly

1539
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:09,320
possible yeah which makes it feel a little bit more like tangible yeah yeah

1540
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:13,520
so like that lofty of the goal I just have to be a

1541
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:18,920
lover of Percy Jackson yeah and also save the world multiple times and hold up

1542
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:24,160
the earth and yeah like there's a list of things but also like hey I gotta start

1543
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:31,400
my feet list kind of start doing crazy shit that Hercules tasks like give me

1544
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:35,160
six things you want me to make by the end of next week and I'll do it yeah you

1545
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:42,120
know just create fucking bastards yep what fucking Frankenstein creations

1546
01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:47,880
yeah it's like things are things that God has like thrown away nobody wants to

1547
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:55,000
use these items items are cursed why did you make this because I could like what

1548
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:58,560
is the weirdest creation that you think that your character has made Jesus who

1549
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:05,560
knows man I don't know that's that's a hard one

1550
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:14,280
I'm trying to think of like problems that could be fixed with very what seem

1551
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:17,720
like simple technologies that like it's very obvious why people haven't done

1552
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:22,600
this but like I'm thinking in the absurd realm

1553
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:34,160
taking it to the extreme as always thinking about like as a teenager one

1554
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:39,880
of my biggest problems is my phone battery dies all of the time so a really

1555
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:43,640
easy way to charge it would just be to have like a nuclear powered battery pack

1556
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:48,480
there we go okay no like I'm going from house to house taking out every one of

1557
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:52,760
the like the fire alarms and getting the little tiny amount of nuclear material

1558
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:56,760
that's in them and then trying to make a battery with it yeah okay the way I see

1559
01:55:56,760 --> 01:56:00,400
that in this setting specifically is like you're using like there's like the

1560
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:04,760
nectar in ambrosia that like you're only left have very small doses of telling

1561
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:09,560
to heal yourself yeah you found a way to like harness this like literal God like

1562
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:14,440
I'm turning them into fucking stem shots you can like you've made every little

1563
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:18,520
drip I get my hands on is going in a syringe with Red Bull in an Adderall

1564
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:23,120
like you kidding me I was going like you found a way to like transfer those and

1565
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:28,680
use literal like the thing that powers a God that God into a phone battery you

1566
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:32,880
went the direction of I'm shooting it up but isn't that easy that's a way to like

1567
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:36,160
that's something that shouldn't be made though correct because you just eat it

1568
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:39,760
but then you can also just take it the other way I mean no this is the this is

1569
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:43,360
exactly what happens we're having that conversation now where everyone goes but

1570
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:46,240
why did you do this there was already you could so many other ways that you

1571
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:49,760
could have done it you could just get it or drink it and you decided to make a

1572
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:53,640
syringe is instantaneous there's efficiency on chewing you don't wear it

1573
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:57,640
down your teeth you do there's no taste if you don't like the way it tastes even

1574
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:02,280
though that's literally not possible and you get all the other added benefits

1575
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:05,400
being able to put whatever else you want to put in this range like I love this

1576
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:12,480
because this is now taking shape in my head of like useless like creations of

1577
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:17,720
like I think of like but why did you make this turning super simple things into

1578
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:21,640
very complicated things because in some way they shave the numbers off on the

1579
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:25,560
efficiency task list you know it's like the the fucking light clap like where

1580
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:28,680
you clap your hands and turn a light on and off it's like yeah but why are we

1581
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:32,600
doing this yeah like what does that do for you and like the idea of like that

1582
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:37,800
the technology taking this flavor of being like you know when you wake up

1583
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:42,040
and you have to put your shoes on that's so much effort I made a robot that puts

1584
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:46,760
your shoes on you and it's like body with a yeah it's that that's who you are

1585
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:51,240
spray on shoes where everyone just goes but why would you do this it can get

1586
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:57,080
even better though when you have access to godly materials oh the things you can

1587
01:57:57,080 --> 01:58:00,840
make easier and everyone's I owe the thing you're over the things you can

1588
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:04,040
make everyone's like what if you didn't yeah what if you didn't make things that

1589
01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:09,240
we already had a perfectly good system for and it's not even like at this point

1590
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:13,320
being like oh well we have paper maps so we don't need GPS it's like no we know

1591
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:19,880
how to chew food so why did you make it it's easier it's simpler it's on the go

1592
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:26,080
it's portable you can store it no the original food was too like listen you

1593
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:32,680
can save them and juice yourself multiple times like your snake oil salesman

1594
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:38,280
yeah to an extent making the fucking like this maybe too like even to that

1595
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:41,000
point though it's like then there's also like the practical side of things where

1596
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,600
it's like yeah like if you have a drop of ambrosia that powers your phone for

1597
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:48,000
several days yeah I think a blend of both is fun where it's like you have some

1598
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:51,640
really good ideas in here but also really unhinged I mean that's a lot of

1599
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:58,120
though right shit if you if you iterate enough if you ideate enough and you just

1600
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:03,120
churn out ideas shotgun at the wall everything that sticks gets made to

1601
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:07,360
you over quality corrects you will have some truly amazing inventions and then

1602
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:11,560
you will also have some things that should not be made fair enough you know

1603
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:16,840
what's this character's name we'll close out with that oh god I was thinking of

1604
01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:20,880
just unhinged people in the first person that stuck out to me was Zach from

1605
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:26,760
dimension 20 yeah so Zach I think that's fitting yeah that's very fitting

1606
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:30,080
unhinged choices I would love to see him play this character

1607
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:35,400
Zach I don't know what his last name is oh yeah no I'm not like not him the

1608
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:40,920
person oh okay yeah I don't want to write up please don't play Zach oh yeah

1609
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:45,480
that's a little appropriated for me I land on a side of melanated but not that

1610
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:50,400
point I don't want to I'm not some other people that feel comfortable with

1611
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:56,360
robo-ling different kinds of people at the table okay no no shade throne I just

1612
01:59:56,360 --> 02:00:03,840
don't know if I can do that personally on that note oh boy I think we have a

1613
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:09,280
pretty good like stepping stone for like going about and running a system or at

1614
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:12,120
least through character creation the way you would run it I think would be the

1615
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:18,120
same as 5e you just look up Greek stat blocks for all the monsters that you're

1616
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:24,760
fighting but other than that I think that's pretty yeah solid unless there's

1617
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:30,840
anything I'm missing no I think that's I think that's good we are at two hours

1618
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:34,560
little over this is one of our longest episodes you've ever done I did not mean

1619
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:37,880
for it to be no it's fun that's what it should be that's what we got on a very

1620
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:41,320
long tangent about killing person Jackson yeah that was a solid 15 to 20 minute

1621
02:00:41,320 --> 02:00:44,200
tangent about how to kill first Jackson because I have beef with the way his

1622
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:52,720
character was written on that note we will see you never not next Thursday