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Hello players who use D&D as an excuse to play their characters they made when they were 13 years old.
And DMs who use all their free time at work to write story.
I meant to say OC's my bad. I'm Maddie.
I'm Robert.
What are we doing today Robert?
Today we are doing another segment installment. We haven't really done segments.
I mean we have but we haven't. We don't have.
We say we will and then we is.
We're doing a repeat thing of the thing that we did last time.
Talking about new media that we wouldn't turn into D&D or sort of assigned to fifth edition assigned fifth edition two.
We kind of talked a little bit about this beforehand.
We talked about some settings that it's going to be kind of the opposite where a lot of the work is going to be generating the lore and the story for the world and then sort of the mechanics come second.
And then there are other worlds like Last of Us or like the one today where it's more mechanic focused because a lot of that lore and world building is kind of already there.
So what are we talking about today then Madison?
Percy Jackson.
I went back and forth on what I wanted to kind of pick for mine because even though both of us enjoy Last of Us and Percy Jackson, one of us is kind of taking the helm of each one and I was absolutely baffled at what to pick, scratching my head.
And I've already technically DM'd a Camp Half Blood one. It was the very first thing I ever DM'd.
But it was a Kids on Bike setting so it wasn't a lot of mechanics and I wanted to do something that was a little bit more 5E focused because that's where I'm trying to learn how to do that system.
I'm sure there's...
I've heard system of our table which is a big part of that reason.
I'm sure there's like a million out there for Camp Half Blood or like Percy Jackson, D&D, but I have not read any of them so this isn't cheating.
But this is another...it's Percy Jackson.
The way I imagine this kind of world being is you're playing as a demigod at Camp Half Blood because that's where everyone wants to be.
I think that's a great starting point in a great setting and then you can have them go on quests from there.
Kind of the core of where the focus will be is for this in particular, which we talked about briefly, kind of like on the car right here, and figuring out the classes because when you look at races...
Yeah, you only have one race.
Yeah, you're going to be a demigod. Maybe a satyr. I think that you can be a satyr, but that also has just as much to do with your class as it does.
It all comes back to who's your divine patron, who's your godly parent, patronage, or heritage.
For backgrounds, I kind of see it come a couple different ways.
I think once you're playing, you can be like a camp veteran or like a character kind of like Annabeth, where you've been around camp for a long time.
That would give you certain bonuses and kind of like general knowledge.
So I would probably put some bonuses there. I didn't think too hard about the backgrounds.
I don't think that's where most of our focus is going to be today.
I think there's also one where thinking about being the new kid at camp, depending on what route you want to take, doing a one shot in this, I would probably do it as you are a bunch of 12 to 13 year olds who are showing up at Camp Half-Lud for the first time.
So taking the idea of where you're coming from, so I think that you can go the route of...
Your background being kind of like where you're from.
I kind of grouped them into three categories, very overarching categories of like City Kid, Country Kid, and you're from the Burbs.
So City Kid, you're going to have a little bit more expertise, like you probably get a bonus to intimidation, or just a little bit more like real world knowledge and a little bit more grounded.
Versus if you're coming from a rural setting, you're probably going to have a little bit more of a physical bonus to you when it comes to athletics or physical stuff.
And then if you're from the Burbs, I guess a bonus to kind of like your knowledge on Greek myths in like the setting, I don't know.
It feels just a little calmer.
With everybody being kids, I think you can really lean in specifically for the backgrounds.
And this is kind of what we're already getting at, leaning into like your level of education, or your kind of education I think is really big.
I mean, to be super specific about it, you could say like what kind of school you came from, like public, private charter, or magnet, that kind of thing.
But that's almost getting a little bit too into the weeds.
Part of me almost thinks that maybe too the background could be a little bit more like what's your parents' occupation?
Because that's going to have a lot to do with sort of how the world has shaped you up to this point.
So there are a lot of different ways, right?
Because your background in this case really is like where do you...
To your starting point.
Like where did you come from?
What did you do before you got here?
And when you just... it's just a world, right? It's just a world where you're a child.
There's kind of a lot of different things to consider when like somebody at background.
And what those bonuses are?
I like the idea of like the three primary backgrounds and then going down further from those of like, I think truly you can do like the setting that you're from.
So city rule or like suburbs, because I think there needs to be kind of an in-between.
And then from there being like cool public or private school in each of those.
Private school, you're going to get a little bit more of a bonus to like your general knowledge and like when it comes to like specific Greek and Latin myths.
Because generally private schools have a little bit more of an opportunity to like dive into whatever they want to versus public schools.
I think you're going to be a little bit more like grounded in common sense, if that makes sense.
At least in my experience as someone who went to a very public school where people had knives.
So...
Heck yeah.
You know, there's a difference there.
Shout out to Jeff.
Don't shout out the name of my school.
I'm going to have them. Shout out to Jeff.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
There's no slander or defamation. Not at all.
It was a great school. I love going there.
Cool people, man.
And from that, I think truly at this point, just being able to dive into the classes.
So Camp Half-Blood, or like talking about your classes slash who your godly parent is.
Because really that's what it boils down to.
At Camp Half-Blood, canonically, like currently there are I think 21 houses.
Because they went back and added several.
I'm probably not going to go over all of the added ones because you have like the 12 core, like the pantheon.
So that's like...
You have paper in here.
Yes, we've got it in a...
Fantastic.
I forgot his laptop.
I chose not to bring it because I was like, yeah, I'll do it.
And without it, now I'm to the point where I think I'd actually like to have.
I can show you my screen.
Paper. No, that's okay.
Having things written in front of me will be nice.
Yep, appreciate you.
No problem.
So, classes.
So first like kind of addressing the elephant in the room when it comes to picking your godly parent, the big three.
I had already thought about this ahead of time.
Yeah.
I, when I GM'd a one-shot in this setting, I told everyone, which I made people like roll slash assigned people slash made them take a quiz in their character, like as their character of which godly parent would you have.
And took that, like all of those things into consideration.
Some did not get the one that they wanted.
No.
Or the one that popped up on their quiz.
No, because I was making the final decisions and I, and I didn't want some people to have certain people as godly parents.
But when it comes to the big three, I don't know, I think it's dicey when it comes to like playing one of those because you don't want to get yourself in it.
Yeah.
Because canonically it's like, these are not characters like, it's Percy Jackson.
Like there are a list of like, oh, there's only one psych.
There's actually like six of them.
And they go to pretty extensive links to demonstrate why there were only so many of them.
Like from what I know of the books, I must say comics.
From what I know of the books.
Oh, appreciate the preface.
Robert's experience with Percy Jackson is.
I've seen the movies.
He loves the movies.
I didn't, there was a time where I didn't know that they were books.
I had just seen the original movie and loved the shit out of it and then found out that they were books and felt stupid.
Anyways, here we are, which is crazy.
I read all of the books.
It's been a couple of years since I've read the heroes of the series, but I reread the Percy Jackson books recently.
And like a lot of other middle schools, high school boys, I had a pretty big interest in mythology.
I took a Greek myth class at my university.
So I have more of the like literal myth knowledge and less of like the Percy Jackson universe knowledge.
So that's kind of where I'm coming from.
But my thought on how you could do the big three, because I initially I was like, I don't think I'd, I mean, it's your world, right?
But I was like, I don't want to take it away.
I think what I would do to balance it is to attach, if there are big positives for taking that like that house, then there have to be some pretty big downsides as well to balance it.
Yeah.
Obviously being one of the big three makes you significantly more likely to be targeted by the outside world.
Correct.
Every deity, every powerful or powered being in that universe, like it's on site because you shouldn't exist.
You shouldn't exist.
And there's a reason.
It's because every child of one of these big three ends up being a huge problem for the rest of the world.
Or even just like the power dynamics becomes shifted very quickly.
But again, at that point, though, it's like, how do you make the incentive not too much of an incentive that the negative is like, I don't want to give a shit.
Yeah.
My thought with it in the hesitation there also is that like there's a canonical reason why there are not children of the big three.
Like there's a contract that the gods have in place that they will not have these kids.
So I think it also is when you want your like story to take place.
When I GM'd, I did it in this very light.
It was very like Tumblr headcanon fanfiction ask where I was like, this is a world in which we've already done all of the like Heroes of Olympus, all of that bullshit.
All the fun stuff is done.
All of that canonical stuff.
But also now they just they're relaxing.
And some of them are at Camp Half Blood being counselors and some of them aren't mostly because I wanted cameos for people at the table who really liked that world.
And I thought that it made sense to also kind of like have some of them as like figures.
But if you're like, if your story is taking place and you want to do it like during any of the canonical time in like this, the series, you can't have children.
Of the big three, right?
Because like that's against the rules.
But I think if you're playing around with time and you're setting this like farther into the future, or you're setting this like way back in time before they made that deal, which would be a crazy choice to do, but you definitely could.
But I think just taking that into consideration.
That being said, I think it would still be kind of fun to like assign what we think those like classes would be because your godly parent is your class.
And the way that I envision it and taking in mind that most demigods are fighting more marshally based as opposed to powers.
The people that we see using their powers 24 seven as a demigod are like children of the big three. That's your Percy and that's your Jason.
Do you know off the top of your head what the core cabins are or were?
Yes.
Not the 21.
So there's Zeus is number one.
Yep.
Then Hera, who does not have any godly children.
Then Poseidon.
Then Demeter.
Hell yeah. Shout out to Demeter.
Then Aries.
I can love that one.
Aries.
Athena.
Apollo.
It's crazy. You just got this shit memorized.
Artemis.
I think it's the pace to read the books.
Hephaestus. I have it written down on my laptop.
Oh, there you go.
Hephaestus.
Aphrodite.
Aphro.
I'm not writing her a fucking name.
Hermes.
Dionysus.
Hades.
Yeah.
And then it starts to get a little funky.
But those are the core.
Those are the main ones that we see in the series.
One, two, three, four, five, six, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
Thirteen.
Interesting.
And then on top of that, I think it would be fun to go over.
So there's one addition.
A pile of pan.
There's one additional pan.
Well, there you go.
If you include pan, there's a neat way, neat is in quotes, there's a neat way that you can match up each house with a class, which might, well, doesn't really make sense, but you could.
Yeah.
I would, what I think what I would do in that case, and we were talking about this earlier, picking a subclass seems to be a bit more fitting for the houses than just right up assigning an entire class.
I agree.
Just for simplicity sake, like that helps.
It's also easier to tweak a subclass than it is to tweak an entire class and then tweak every subclass within it.
Yeah.
So I guess from there then it's.
My thought was also each of them would be a subclass, like a specific subclass.
Yeah.
Because it's also like, once again earlier we were talking, I don't think that any of them would be full spell casted classes.
Like I don't think unless you're a child of the big three, you're not going to be a sorcerer.
And even then I would not put a sorcerer as any of the like child, children of the big three, just because demigods are more marshally focused.
So.
As opposed to like, powered.
So I think a good place to start then would be to go down the list and to figure out what broad class we think the gods fit into and then to assign subclasses from there.
And they might not all get used.
It's just there are 106 subclasses for all 13 regular classes.
So limiting the number of classes that we have to look at is going to be a little easier.
It'll be very nice.
I have a couple in mind for some of them, but for the first three, I do not.
So Zeus.
And you said you wanted to stay away from straight up spellcasters.
Yeah, just because I think if there are any straight up spellcasters, I think that they need to be.
One of the big three.
I think that makes sense.
I think that makes a lot of sense.
So who is kind of another fun way that we can do this?
Who in the books do we see as a child of Zeus?
We see Talia Grace and her brother Jason Grace.
And how do the two of them fight?
Well, Talia becomes a hunter of Artemis.
So she's do she was also a tree for a really long time.
It's yeah, she's doing her own thing.
Cool, man.
I know a little bit about Jason.
Yeah, I think I would put him as a storm sorcery sorcerer.
Yeah, well, duh.
But I also think that almost I would like almost multi class because if you're also taking Jason specifically as an example, he comes from a different camp and that was much more like Marshall focused.
I think that doing a sorcerer as a child of Zeus makes a lot of sense because they are people who can output a ton of damage.
Yeah, the glass cannons to an extent.
Yeah, I think that is very fitting.
And I think that's maybe when we start getting into the nitty gritty of like, how do we balance the big three putting some like forcing somebody a child of Zeus to be a sorcerer subclass.
I think it's going to be a pretty easy way to do that.
Yeah, when you're fighting things that are swiping at you physically.
Yeah, like there's just not much you can do.
Yeah.
So it's okay.
Cool.
And it'll also give you the ability to do a lot of things very quickly if you want to, which is very like child of Zeus coming out swinging fucking immediately.
Burning, twin spelling, doing as much damage as you can in the beginning of the fight.
Yeah, storm sorcerer specifically.
You can at sixth level, you gain resistance to lightning and thunder damage.
And when you cast a spell that does lightning or thunder damage, you can choose everything within 10 feet of you takes some lightning or thunder damage.
At one point you become you're able to do max damage on a thunder or lightning spell.
And then also when you cast a spell, I think just any spell you can fly up to 10 feet in the air, which is also canonical.
So I think that that fits super super well for them.
That makes it easy.
Harris, cabin, you're not gonna have a child of Hera.
That's another one where it's just like how could you let somebody be a child of Hera though?
I think it would be really difficult to do while still staying true to the setting because like her whole thing is she like uses to have children because of children and the only child that she did have was a
festas who she had on her own and that was a full god. I think it kind of stinks that it's just one of those were like I don't see a way around.
Unless we change the entire like unless we're going in a like a setting where it takes place far in the future and you want to really bring the gods into it and be like cool.
It's crazy because Hera had an affair and now all of Mount Olympus is falling apart.
But that also places one character at the center of that conflict.
I think that would almost be a story point. I think that's maybe I mean that could be a really fun story point where like the focus of that campaign or that one shot is this child of Hera being like the first of her kind or their kind.
So yeah, I agree. I think keeping that one kind of off limits makes sense.
If they were, I would say warlock.
Warlock of some kind. Probably celestial.
Yeah. Well, I was trying to think that here is also an incredibly intelligent god or goddess. It's a huge part of her character in mythology is that she's she has to be just as intelligent if not more intelligent than Zeus.
Yeah, I think Paladin could make sense as well because simply because of the smiting.
The smiting I think it would work. I think you could also make them a wizard subclass.
I think kind of the idea that like Hera's always plotting and thinking and taking her time and making her plans. I think that's also a very wizard thing to do and just to accrue knowledge and then to sort of use it when best fit.
So I think there I mean it doesn't matter what it is but there are a couple of different options for her.
Poseidon.
Poseidon. I know we already did storm sorcery. So like not that one.
Yeah.
Finding something that's a little bit more water focused.
Yeah, which it can be water focused, which is where it gets like a little tricky.
Yeah.
So that's we've talked about this a couple of times at length about how fucking insane Percy's powers are.
Yeah.
And just how loosely tied to the mythology and what Poseidon has control over. They are.
Yeah.
It's like he's the god of the seas. So he can cause earthquakes like on.
He's also got earthquakes but it's still like a mess.
He can sap the moisture out of somebody's body like motherfucker that's not what that.
I've gone on this ramp before but this is where with the big three it gets tricky because they can do so many things.
Yeah.
I think in a way to balance this while still making it true to the child of Poseidon that we do know.
I would go with a fathomless warlock.
So fathomless is going to be your ocean critter or some type of elemental plane of water.
Oh yeah, no that makes that's valid.
Looking at the expanded.
Yeah.
So I think warlock also fits the big three because it's someone who can do several really big hits and those big hits are huge but they have a limited amount of them.
So that is what's going to keep you from having someone who is able to create a hurricane.
Yeah.
On every turn.
And I think also kind of guiding your player and being like hey we're going to have you be like packed of the blade because I mean if we're looking at Percy specifically packed of the blade that's rip died.
But also encouraging your players and kind of putting out the caveat of like you need to take some martial stuff.
Yeah.
No matter what your class is just because that's where a bulk of the fighting is going to be.
Yeah.
But looking at the expanded spell is it's creator destroy water, thunder wave, gust of wind, silence, control water, summon elemental.
You can create tentacles, swimming speed and breathing underwater like everything kind of fits.
That pretty well with a little bit of reskinning depending on what you want it to be.
I think this is also something where I would let players take spells off of a larger spell list as opposed to just their classes.
Yeah.
Because of how individual it is.
Right.
I think that makes sense.
I guess to kill the last of the big three then the Hades I mean Necromancy makes the most sense to me.
I know it kind of sucks because of the rap that wizards get with being able to fight people but.
I mean if we once if we look if we're looking at the children of Hades in the series.
You're also just looking to kill the big spellcaster classes like trying to match them up.
You've got sorcerer with Zeus you have warlock with Poseidon and then you would have wizard with Hades and that kills your big three like spellcasting classes.
I think it works really well.
Yeah.
I think that children of Hades I'm using Nico as an example when he uses his powers to do something really crazy and big because he does a lot like he doesn't fight marshall very much.
It's mostly powers and he gets very weak from using them and I think that also kind of fits wizard just because they don't have a very high like health.
Going back to this is also something I thought about as we were talking with Poseidon specifically children of Poseidon being warlocks.
He is shown to be one of the more involved fathers at least with Percy because that's really only like I mean we see Tyson but that's different.
So I think that more direct connection also is kind of fitting as opposed to like sorcery where it's like I don't talk to Zeus.
Why the fuck would I talk to Zeus.
You just like that.
So I think that those kind of like I think it worked out pretty well but each of the big three also are the big three spellcasting classes.
Then we get into the fun ones.
Demeter.
Druid circle of the land.
I think Druid 100% makes sense.
I have a list of all of them pulled up on my phone so I'm just going to take it and gander through.
Which I know Druid is more of a spellcasting class but I think with the ability of doing wild shape and like which I wouldn't do.
And that's the tricky thing because wild shaping doesn't make sense.
Yeah Demeter at least in I don't know much about her obviously in the Percy Jackson books but like in my guess traditional mythology there's a huge specifically with the story of Hades snatching her daughter.
Persephone.
Yeah Persephone.
Her character makes a very like hard 180 in mythology where it's just very like outgoing and forgiving like goddess of the land who like blesses cities with you know with with good crops.
And good harvest.
And then her what essentially is her spring her spring is stolen by Hades and so then she turns everything for ever winter.
A lot of cities die crops stop going like it's all bad so I think it just I don't know much about the Percy Jackson version.
But if you're just looking at mythology that's where it gets tricky because there's two very different sides of Demeter.
Yeah.
Then you have to decide what is canon mythology wise and what is she giving the people that are her children.
I think for some of these they could you could almost get a choice between two subclasses because talking about this and I do really love Demeter's like fierceness.
I also think Paladin of the ancients is very applicable because that one is very nature focused and I think that that like a child of Demeter is paladin because of like the the loyalty in the oath and then being able to lash out and like really.
Well like that punishments I think part of it would fit very well this is another kind of is more of a kind of throwaway with looking at the Druid subclass circle of wildfire.
I think if you take the approach that like if she wants to burn everything to start anew you could do that as well if you want to stick within Druid class right so it's like the nature part is like no like it the fuck that like I'm just I'm going to burn everything and we're going to grow back.
Yeah.
We're going to cleanse.
I'll say I think it could really be a toss up between either of those because oath of the ancients is also like you can ensnare them with plants.
Yeah.
Like you get spells like plant growth and commune with nature and ensnaring strike and speak with animals which is very like Demeter II to me as well circle of land.
Yeah I think I think that makes sense either of those because the Druid would be perfect if you didn't have that fucking wild shape thing and it's like you could always turn the wild shape into something else too.
Yeah.
And I think that's one of the ways that you can I mean it's a holy new holy new quote unquote system I mean I would almost turn wild shape into something like my foot my bad dog.
Oh what was it like attuning to different elements for the day or different aspects of nature or the weather or stuff like that because I know there's a circle of stars and instead of wild shaping you can choose to turn into like a starry form and doing something kind of like that.
And maybe this is something where eventually I'll go through and like work out the details of this and post it on our Patreon please subscribe to our Patreon it's free and in an ideal world we'll be posting a lot of content.
Yeah.
So this is just kind of also our like first impressions of like how we would adapt to setting.
Yeah.
Next up is Aries which I.
Barbarian we talked about this a little bit.
Yeah.
Barbarian makes sense.
And so the one that I was also looking at is Battlemaster for fighter like the description is like using the art of war and tactics to gain advantage so that's what IBA is where it's specializing in using multiple kinds of weapons and having a higher ish intelligence score where a lot of it is like
planning on how to use the different weapons and a lot of the advantage comes in like learning different techniques I think they could work for Athena as well.
That's what I was about to say.
The one thing that I hate seeing is that Aries often at least not children I don't know anything about the books again but like there's this concept of Aries that he's really stupid and to an extent he is a lot dumber than his.
I think they're good.
I think their siblings than his sister Athena.
Yes.
A sister.
However, yes and no Aries is very war focused and thrives on war being present but the issue with with the sometimes portrayal or I guess vibe that people get if I'm being stupid is that you can't have a champion of war if they lose.
Yeah.
And that's a very like real thing I think it would be a toss up between that because I think I also have two different options.
Yeah I looked at and if it was going to be.
Barbarian I was looking at battle ranger or berserker I think battle ranger gives kind of like a bonus to a shield which I think is very fitting with Greek fighting tactics which sounds like a really weird stupid thing to say but like that is a style of how they fight in camp half blood specifically.
And then that also kind of ties pretty nicely into Athena.
I see children of Athena I'm speaking is like if you can't tell from my general vibe I like to think of myself as a child of Athena.
Who do I know.
I don't remember why I took that.
You got Zeus.
Shut the fuck up.
You got Zeus dog.
Shut the fuck up.
You know I kept getting Artemis.
Yeah.
Because you're like no way you can't.
You can't.
You can't be a child of Artemis.
Whatever.
Also I'm not a child of Zeus that quiz was bullshit Zeus.
I refuse to accept that.
It's all right man.
I had a friend who was a very huge person Jackson fan and she said I'm a child of Athena and I believe her.
So.
Am I going to stink for Athena was a pillow.
Oh I was thinking fighter or a monk.
I guess I could see which like they don't actually have like a physical energy that they're channeling through their bodies but I just think that like I don't know.
They're so fucking smart.
They are incredibly smart.
I don't know.
That's the crazy thing about like if you look at the children of Camp Half-Blood most of them have some type of like something that they've got like a leg up on.
Athena's kids are just fucking smart like Aries kids are big like they are like physically strong.
They're physically tough.
Athena's kids they're just fucking smart and like how do you put that in without it just being a wizard because they don't have powers.
If you're just looking for an intelligence based class it makes sense to do wizard.
I think fighter could be a way to offset that if you want to.
Fighter was my other class.
I was thinking battle master or champion.
Yeah I almost think.
No that's yeah no that's maybe for Aries than instead of thinking about battle master having champ.
My instinct would be to say battle master for Athena and if you're considering fighter for Aries making a champion.
Yeah.
Now I see that.
Did that make sense.
Yeah because battle master is going to give you more variety.
Yeah.
And like it's going to be stronger hits.
And battle master is a really big focus on you get a lot of what are like they're called technique points or something.
I don't know maneuvers maneuvers where you get to learn different parts of war.
I think that makes more sense for Athena if you're looking at a fighter version of her.
Yeah as opposed to Aries being that so scratch that out.
I don't know what monk subclass also.
Yeah and there wasn't really much more to it other than like I don't know there was just reading through something about it.
See the issue with monks is that with the way that everyone chooses to operate in the Percy Jackson universe there's not a lot of room for monks because monks are really good at one thing and that one thing doesn't really exist in the Percy Jackson world because if you don't fight with a weapon you die.
Yeah.
No that's true.
But I think there could be a potentially good offset in Paladin I think.
I think I would home brew a subclass about like oath of knowledge.
You could do oath of conquest.
But she doesn't feel very conquest to me.
I like the mechanics of oath of conquest a lot but I think if you focus on the victory aspect of it that makes more sense than the destruction.
So with oath of conquest there are usually two big focuses there's like destruction and being very powerfully destructive and then of big focus on winning.
I think without having Nike present in this.
Yeah I think that still makes sense because Nike is a child of Athena and I think if you lay into the idea that there's a character or a child of Athena who's just really in it to win it.
Athena is still going to be there for that person.
Yeah.
Because there's victory to be had.
Yeah.
I think that would make more sense than like a monk.
Yeah.
Class.
I think you could rework oath of conquest so that it's a little less like yeah.
Yeah I think I would definitely rework it.
But I oath of conquest and oath of devotion I are my two favorite out of the Paladin subclasses.
Yeah devotion stuck out to me.
I just don't.
There's such a big focus on devotion with like being divine and being holy and Athena doesn't really fit that vibe.
She fits.
She's a strict mom.
She is very she is very strict.
I guess in that sense devotion is being the best.
Like because I think that also gives you a fun opportunity where if you're playing in a campaign of this Athena very much is a godly parent at least depending on when in the story you're looking who if you stop achieving if you go stagnate if you are no longer making her proud.
She's not going to be there for you.
So maybe then what that looks like is home brewing a mix between conquest and devotion then with that more like strict kind of uptightness like I have to follow the rules but the conquest aspect of that is I also like part of the rules that I have to follow is that like I'm always moving.
I'm always winning.
I'm always conquering.
I'm always developing something new and then battle masters just straightforward.
Yeah.
It fits.
Gotta know what all Apollo.
Yes.
Fucking Bards make sense there.
I'll say I was thinking Bard specifically College of Swords just because I want to really keep that martial focus for these.
More stories way to keep.
So I'm just looking through.
I was also starting to think Valor creation I think could be fun creation could be fun.
Yeah there's so many of these that work well Valor was the other one that stuck out to me as well like learning the stories Valor more than swords looking at it.
Yeah.
I would agree with that.
It's focused on attacking.
I also think the other like kind of thing to Apollo I would look at clerics because the Apollo children in the Percy Jackson universe are the healers.
So I would do light.
Oh that's fun.
So that would be like because like he's also the god of the sun in this setting.
Yeah.
That's very straightforward like literally when you click on a cleric light domain.
It says Apollo in the list of gods.
Ordered.
Yeah I mean that one's pretty straight pretty self-explanatory.
Yeah.
And I think that cleric is also a class where you can take martial stuff.
I think it's very well to being one of the other classes that allows you to kind of like insert yourself into the more paladin abilities which is nice.
So I think Valor and light domain light domain.
Yeah.
Artemis cabin.
Rangers.
Unfortunately.
Yeah.
You got to be a ranger.
Unfortunately.
Yeah.
I think rangers a class no matter what you stick her in you're going to have to buff it.
Yeah.
To make it on par with the rest of your campers.
Yeah.
I think it would be a toss up between monster slayer conglave or hunter conglave.
I like the mechanics of hunter better because monster slayer also has you like casting spells.
Yeah.
And it doesn't make a lot of sense like the protection from people in good makes sense.
What do the children of Artemis primarily do in the Percy Jackson universe.
We've talked about this a couple of times.
Refresh me.
They they travel they are like eternally young.
Yeah.
And they're all women.
All women.
That's why I'm not allowed to join the club.
Correct.
And they travel with Artemis sometimes or they just kind of travel through and they slave beasts.
Okay.
They're not at the side of camp half blood they're not at the camp sometimes they'll come by and like rest but they're not really a horizon walker could work.
Hunters seek out creatures from other worlds to end them.
That could be a good mix between your monster slayer and your hunter.
That they're all of their abilities are focused on tracking creatures that are like otherworldly.
Yeah.
And then is there any other class truly Artemis.
I don't think so.
I think if you bounce back to fire there might be one in there.
But it's got to be the bow and arrow.
And at that point I think it's just a toss up between two Rangers.
Yeah.
I mean you can do arcane or Archer.
Yeah.
For fighter makes magic with your arrows to rain literal fire up on your phones.
Yeah.
You can lean more.
I think if you do that you can lean more into the like magically infusing your like instead of learning hunting tactics being a more like magically inclined Archer where it's.
I'm not physically strong enough to do all of the fun techniques but I can like grab a couple of herbs from a bush and then sprinkle them on the arrow and the arrow does just as much now.
Yeah.
So I think that works too.
Cool.
Yeah.
The fighter class is a really great one to just kind of very versatile.
It is incredible.
I mean that's what the whole class is for.
It's also why it has the most subclass.
Yeah.
It was I also thought originally about making all of the demigods subclasses of fighter just because that's what demigods are like it's martial focus and then you can also do some fun little like power things.
Hephaestus.
I mean it's kind of being.
Artificer.
Yeah.
I mean.
I think you could do barbarian.
I don't see it.
I think you could if you want if you want an option for something that's a little bit more like big hammer go smash.
Yeah.
But if you want to focus on the core aspect of a fessus which is creation then you kind of have to stay within the.
The artificer class.
Or I would even college of creation with some re skinning for Bard.
There's also the other aspect which is one of the care one of the children of Hephaestus that we see in Percy Jackson is able to use.
Artificer.
Fire.
Yeah.
Like fire but that's a very very rare thing and it's not like a common thing.
Children of.
Yeah I think just giving them choices between two subclasses and artificer makes the most sense unfortunately.
Yeah.
Which like it's a good class for what it is.
It is really so good class.
It gives you that martial stuff and then it also gives you like all of your magically infused items are in the realm of like exactly like you have magical items in camp half blood like that is a super useful thing to have.
So what's subclass then do you narrow it on for Hephaestus.
Battle Smith for sure.
And then.
Oh God.
I don't really see alchemist or our.
Armour is the only other one that makes sense to me.
Yeah.
And I could I could see armor.
So the way that I imagine it then is with Battle Smith it's more of like creating the machines like it's it's the making the clockwork ales and the giant statues that come to life like it's.
Giant.
Dragon ship that can fly through this guy.
All of your combat or like your skills lion making little critters and then I think armor then there could be it talks a lot about infusing your armor to make like an exoskeleton.
You're basically making your own iron rancid.
I think yeah I think you can also spend that though is like you maybe you have in this is something that would be more specific to the Percy Jackson universe maybe you have the ability to like make magical weapons like maybe it's something that takes multiple missions like you can commune with Hephaestus and you can figure out like the list of things that you need to make an incredibly powerful arcane weapon it's going to take a long time to do it but maybe you're the only person in the party that can do it.
Yeah.
I think it's something that like if you're looking at Leo the child of Hephaestus that we know the most about I think that like very much fits who he is.
He's he's the one who makes things.
He also works pretty closely with Athena and like like Athena's cabin.
Yeah.
Which is a pretty powerful combo.
You have one.
You have a fighter and a people that know what they're doing and then you have another group it's like I can make anything that you can dream of.
I think it's also lends itself well mechanically.
Oh my God.
I forgot the name of him.
Hmm.
Jesus an artifice or Jesus fucking Christ an artifice or a fighter and make a pretty good combination looking at Aphrodite College of Glamour.
Yeah.
College of Glamour College of Eloquence were my two thoughts.
There's something called charm speak that children of Aphrodite can do which is it kind of exactly what it sounds like it's a little bit of like it's the spell like command.
Yeah.
The other only class that stuck out to me that I think you could make work is something in Druid if you reworked one of the titles.
Yeah.
Which one were you thinking.
I don't know.
Because I may be life domain.
I could see that but I that also runs into the issue of wild shaping.
Is that something they can do.
Clarence can do.
Oh you're looking at Claire.
I think you said Druid.
No Clarence life domain.
Okay.
My bad.
I think that's like this is where I would spend it where life domain isn't the idea isn't serving the idea of life.
The idea is serving the idea of loving life.
Yeah.
I'll say I could spend that love domain.
You love life.
You love everything about like the world of the gods have created so much that the way that you express your godly powers are by safe keeping them.
Yeah.
Or by keeping them safe.
I could see that.
I still I'm still very tied to eloquence and glamour.
I'm eloquence being your words and what you say and fuck you.
I cannot fail at any persuasion or charisma checks and yeah.
Yeah.
Is very fitting and then glamour is also so fun to me which is literally just you are so fucking hot and it's magical that you're so hot and you're able to cast.
That's because of how hot you are.
And I love that that's a class that is official from Wizards of the Coast.
Yeah.
You're just that pretty.
And I mean that's the whole thing.
That's how they work.
Yeah.
I think I would almost blend those two classes.
Yeah.
Glamour and eloquence.
Yeah.
Taking some of those more like I'm so pretty like you have to do what I say.
Because I don't think it's just physical beauty.
I think it's a lot of like it's the mind game of it.
It's like.
Yeah.
Kind of going back and like talking about like the point pleasant thing.
It's the whole like I know how to play the social game.
I know what to say.
I know how to say it.
Yeah.
To get what I need.
You're just gonna have to be the most honest one to get what you want and what you want.
That's going to be a rogue.
I was thinking monk.
Speed.
I see the speed.
Monks have like are the only glass that can like triple their speed in a single turn.
That's true.
And they get bonus some classes.
Not all of them.
Some classes get bonuses for moving quickly like moving like the more feet you move before
you hit somebody.
The more damage you do.
My inclination towards rogue is also that in the Percy Jackson universe at least the
kids are more of the jack of all trades master of none tricksters and like like
there's less of the focus on the fact that he's also like speed which is crazy
to me because I really like rogue because you get your like expertise and you get
so many like skills so then for rogue what subclass or subclass is I this is
one where like truly I think it depends on whoever you want to be but that's
like fucked because that's not really an option for the others not inquisitive
not assassin the ones that stood out to me were archangel tricks turn scout yeah
if you're just really wanting to lean into his like the the machinating not
mastermind because that's just kind of stupid but yeah that lays more unlike
Athena's camp than anything yeah being so intelligent that you plan everything
out and it's not really intelligence it's like you're fucking sneaky yeah like
and scout has a focus on speed yeah like always being ahead of things I could
also see and this is gonna sound a little bit silly swashbuckler because
swashbucklers while they are piratey are not specifically piratey in their
mechanics yeah it's like you can fight away without opportunity attacks and you
have rakeish audacity which if you are you give yourself initiative bonuses
equal to your charisma modifier you also get additional sneak attack if that
creature is within five feet of you yeah so it's that whole like yeah come
fight me motherfucker or like getting close and then you also have like ponche
which is you can basically attack a creature and be like motherfucker you're
fighting me and you can't find anybody but for me and like this just it's this
like cocky energy I think is also kind of fitting yeah so I think swiping
arcane tricks are off that list then makes sense and just scout and swashbuckler
if if you were to offer month and what's up class with muck it's not astral self
it could be drunken master for the hell of it honestly I think drunken master
not can say nuts unsold not long death and definitely not mercy the other the
other two that yeah the other two that suck out to me were open hand and way of
shadow so open hand is a really big focus on extra attacks and it's like a
bonus action key points you're hitting people as many times as you that's what
Sam was I'm pretty sure it's just as many times hitting somebody in a single
turn as you can and there's that's a lot of speed is involved in open hand and
then way of shadow it's more like from the stealth side of things like stealth
dying I would probably go shadow then or way of the drunken monk because it's a
lot it's like also performance based like your martial arts technique combine
like gestery dancery things of like it's also very luck focus like there's some
yeah I think I would probably narrow it down then to scout swashbuckler and
drunken master yeah who's up next Dionysus I have no fucking glue barred for
sure I think going with a barred subclass makes a lot of sense the question is
which one yes it was difficult this one's difficult there's not really like a
revelry class I arts to an extent but we've kind of already picked some from
there I think if you're looking at dying which this is not in the person Jackson
universe at all but if you want to think about Dionysus is also being like a god
who can cause madness I think College of Whispers is very fitting wizards what
is that is that part barred that's part yeah yeah yeah I see what you're saying
yeah leaning into that more of like oh yeah no I think that makes a lot of
sense college we want to play the like madness aspect we spurs yeah I think that
also makes it a little bit more unique from the other sort of bar options on
there and then yeah I also think of like technically you could also look maybe
look at druid because like Dionysus did turn people into dolphins so there's your
wild shape but you can only turn into dolphins I would do circle of dreams then
I think that would work circle of dreams I was thinking that we're not
actually going through but it knows was one of the people that was added and I
think a circle of dreams fit very well for him yeah but also looking at druid
of like he's also the god of wine so like mm-hmm that nature aspect of it yeah
and then pan pan I don't know anything about pan so pan is he's the god of the
wild he's a sader all of the satyrs are considered children of pan not like
physically children of pan but like he's essentially their godly parent mm-hmm
that makes sense yeah that's a druid that is true how is it a druid that
doesn't line up with any of the other druid things you've chosen well
originally I didn't think about how many we were gonna be putting in druid to be
completely honest fair amount of druid I can also see like a lot of druid I can
also see paladin because satyrs are protectors in camp half blood and they're
like supposed to be responsible for the new like the newbies and stuff I think
yeah I could see like oath of devotion or like
I don't know much about other redemption I'm gonna read that real quick okay I've
played both of the redemption it's it's Jedi you're playing a Jedi a little
a little less hoity-toity about it and not like a colossal asshole looking at
this I think that's a lot of fun very well I think that's a very like
protectory looking at the spells sanctuary sleep calm emotions I can tell
you it's incredibly hard to play that class in a group of people that don't
give a shit about redeeming people that was my whole experience playing was
that none of the other party members had any sense of morality in any way yeah
D&D is a fun game when you're all on the same page yeah so what oath of
redemption and then something in druid class that's a little bit more I mean
that's classic druid to me yeah but there isn't just like classic druid
circle of shepherd oh yeah yeah yeah you get like the fun little spirit things
with like totems you can summon creatures circle of separate makes a
lot of sense 14k paladin and then
druid druid cool man yeah that's all the it's a big 14 I guess yeah so I think in
the way of like how I would play this if I was running this and like walking
someone through character creation would be figuring out what type of like oh we
use every class look at that did we yeah we use bar I mean we use barbarian
once we use ranger once we use monk once there are few that we only used one
time we used every every class cleric Bard paladin fighter barbarian druid
monk ranger sorcerer rogue warlock wizard and artificer fucking look at us used
them all we did some we used four times others we used once some are a little bit
more versatile than others in the specific setting yeah and I think I
still stand by saying I would want people to have access to a full spell list
when it comes to like picking spells yeah because I just I think it's a
little bit silly to narrow it down in a setting like this where your focus is
less on what your what like the power scale of the spell is as opposed to like
the flavor of it yeah if that makes sense I would almost take it in the other
direction I would severely limit the number of spells that they could take
and make them significantly more powerful I would I I almost want to put a cap on
the amount of spells known well that's that's kind of where I was going with
reducing just the straight-up number that they have available I think that also
makes them feel more unique to the houses in a sense if they only have
access to their own spells yeah I should have clarified that a little bit more
each house would have their own spell list which would be like if we're looking
at child of Zeus it would include thunder and lightning spells from maybe like a
smite or something list and maybe some paladin stuff yeah but is more fitting
to your godly parent as opposed to just because like I don't think that a
fucking what's give me a house demeanor cool demeanor doesn't need access to
lightning bolt yeah you know what I mean I don't know if I never classed we chose
for demeanor would but the circle of the land and oath of ancient snider of which
would have anything lightning based well yeah no weather in there still stands
does still stand and I think also figuring out it's almost like similar to in
the in the capes and crooks system which we've talked about before on here
things become signature to you mm-hmm and very like in similar way to like
warlocks who are able to like steel yeah and like that and then also just they
have a fewer spells your spell slots make them more powerful yeah yeah a lot of
systems that take what warlock does and then just turn it into an entire magic
system yeah I mean it makes sense which like I mean I have a love-hate
relationship with because I think that they're fun to play every once in a
while but I also like having access to a bunch of different things as a player
yeah which this is just not the setting for that and I don't think anyone who's
playing in the setting is expecting that well I mean if you're again if your
child of Zeus there's no reason why you should be able to do anything that a
child of Hermes or Dionysus or Hades or Pan could do or like is able to yeah
you're very powerful at what you do in your niche mm-hmm I think it's also
something we're like you I immediately lost my train of thought that was so
fast that I immediately just fucking lost it so kind of back to the original
conversation how do you balance the big three I think want to introduce a
mechanical advantage slash disadvantage or do you just want it to be more of a
story thing where it's like hey where do the wise if you pick this this house
you're gonna get dogged on I think it's gonna be more of that I think it's if
you want to play a child of the big three that's a conversation that you need
to have with your GM mm-hmm and a ask is this possible yeah it would be the same
of like showing up to play at somebody's table who you've never met before and
showing up with your homebrewed class and race and just expecting to play them
off the bat and it's like well that doesn't fit into this world yeah of
being like is this okay this is what I I think if you want to play a child of the
big three I think that's one of those things where you have to have character
first make a second definitely have an idea of who you want to be well it's it's
a conversation everyone like each of the big three is a really big
conversation beforehand because for me like thinking about my past experiences
with capes and crooks in particular there were positions within the world
and background pieces that I allowed players to take that neither of us at
the time really understood what the implications were I would still let
those players choose those things but I would caveat it with a conversation
beforehand where it's I'm a huge advocate of players being able to make all the
choices in the story being a hundred percent driven off of what they're able
to do and that they can do anything where you kind of have to maybe throw a
cautionary sign to that style of play is saying hey I'm gonna let you choose this
it's a it's really fun but I'm gonna tell you now if you choose it you're gonna
like it there's a lot that comes with it yeah like I think one of the things that
I would sort of preface with playing any of the big three is that like all of
your decisions are going to matter more and not always in a positive way yeah
like anything that you do that is public-facing you're gonna bring both
negative and positive attention to your group if you travel outside you're a
massive target yeah like yes you are one of the only three casting like
spellcasting classes heavy spellcasting classes but also it's on site with
everybody you leave the camp it's on site yeah and I think also it's something
from a GM side of balancing players power because like if you're play if you
have a child of Zeus in a group and then you also have like a child of Hermes
those are not equal in terms of power you know what I mean yeah and I think that
what helps to with the way that we did it is by having every other class having
multiple options for subclasses as opposed to if you pick the big three
these are your three options I think that too but I also like in a role-play
focus of like if everything you do matters more because you're basically
you're it's like if you came into a party and you were a celebrity and all of
your other like party members were just normal people you inherently in that
like sense matter more and there's more attention on you and more focus on you so
I think it would also be a conversation with the other players at the table where
like I would talk to them and be like hey do you all want us to include a child
of the big three yeah just because that's something where it's like you don't
want to play and have Percy Jackson in your party right like we talked about
this would you talk about like you have like almost borderline personal beef
with Percy with how powerful he is would you want to play alongside him knowing
all the like not at all I mean it's like you can it's it's all you know good and
fun than all of his other like party members are really powerful and great
and cool but it's called Percy Jackson yeah book series is literally called
Percy Jackson he is the single most broken character in his verse yeah like
he tops gods and he is a child of one and then a child of a person of a regular
person yeah you don't want to plan a party with him because everybody is
gunning for you and you have like an a tenth of the power that that guy has yeah
I think it's something where you can have a conversation with the other players
like because I think looking at our table in per like as an example I think
that our table would be okay with someone playing a child of the big three I
think they would see that that works very well because we play at a
table where a lot of the players and just our method how we typically play is
one person kind of in the group the sets themselves is like the party leader the
party face yeah which is like a common like trope in D&D but like it is there's
a normally one player yeah that kind of makes a lot of the decisions and makes
all of the bold choices yeah and that's just the particular style of our table
so I think that that would like work for our table but I think for some tables
that are a little bit more like on to where that gets tricky is like making
sure that the person that wants to be a child of the big three is okay with
being that person yeah like if you're choose to be a child of Zeus and you're
not used to having a leadership role at the table it's gonna be a little bit of
rough-going's because whether you like it or not the outside world is gonna look
to you for your opinion before they look to any of your other party members
because your words matter significantly more yeah both in a in a positive in
incredibly negative way oh yeah you know like they're not gonna ask your
fucking child of Artemis standing next to you what they care about the social
political scape of the you know the pantheon when your child of one of the
big three that shouldn't exist yeah the focus is gonna be on you I'm not gonna
get the inside scoop on fucking who does it from Sederland if I could talk to a
child of Zeus and a lot of it also in the Percy Jackson universe because once
again if we're looking at the weight of structure playing a game like this I
think I would choose if we're not just doing like a slice of life hanging out
in camp half-blood a quest would be super fun and you're probably gonna end up
doing that and I think a lot of that is also gonna be like you're probably gonna
make up a little prophecy for your characters to follow and knowing that a
child of the big three is probably gonna be like prophecy focused yeah or like
quest will be given to them specifically so knowing that like you carry that
weight I do think it's something fun and I think it's something very very doable
for a lot of tables but I think it also depends because I when we GM when I
GM'd the Percy Jackson one shot all of you were children of minor gods and I
mean like we had like Nike hypnos guy I love that little guy
Chase was great like I you fucking loved playing chase I love that guy
fun little dude he wanted everything he was so much he's killing it man he's
doing great like what 12 year old child of Nike that had the energy of a 12 year
old boy who is never lost in his life so much fun you all can't see Robert was
dancing as I was describing this guy but I think that that is also equally fun
to have a group of people who are a little bit more balanced on the same
power level just because your child of big you're the big dick in the locker
room yeah like I think is it is a DM instead of I mean it's a mix right like
a lot of the responsibility is going to be on you to keep the story points
balanced and to keep the power thing balanced part of that is just also sort
of smart mechanic game design like making sure that your storm sorcerer your
neck your necromancer your fucking fathoms subclasses like that they I mean
they're all strong some are more strong than others so making sure that they're
just as balanced as the rest of them I think I would only the only advantage
now that we've talked about it that I would give to somebody choosing one of
the big three is from the story point yeah I mean that's where you would get
your most mechanically I would do my damnedest to make sure that they are
all on the same level because I think it just isn't fun when you give somebody
else more powers because of the background that they took yeah you know
like if you manage to min max the class that's on you but you know I'm not gonna
go and hand you extra shit because you had the option to choose the thing that's
big well I almost think that all children of the big three have to be min
maxed yeah just in mechanically of like and this is something like preset
classes it's almost like if you choose one of these three you are going to have
a significantly more catered level track than the rest of your constituents oh
yeah cuz there's not as much room for customization I can't let you pick things
that are gonna make you significantly more broken than the rest of your party
even though that's what makes sense because then no one else has fun well I
think with looking at them as min maxed characters it is there something
they're very good at and they're never gonna not be able to do yeah but they've
got weak they're all glass cannons they have Achilles heels like very strong
Achilles what is Percy's what is Perseus okay okay okay what is it I'm not I'm
saying in the world is it friendship because that didn't stop him his fatal
flaw in the series is his loyalty which is like he will let the world burn if it
means that he is saving his family and that's a great fatal flaw until you give
that guy infinite amounts of power and then that flaw no longer fucking matters
I agree because then it then it goes into oh I would I would do literally anything
to save any of my friends and then one of them ends up in a slightly perilous
situation it's like cool I will wipe this pantheon clean if it means my guy
doesn't have to go do whatever the fuck he has to do and that's what he
billard align does his girlfriend has to be like hey babe maybe we don't fucking
do that and that's nuts it's a crazy as opposed to giving that character fatal
flaw in being like that's what that person really wants to do but they cannot
because that's an insane thing that nobody should be able to do that is what
the red that's what the actual player characters in a campaign would look like
yeah here is your fatal flaw try as you might you cannot best it I well okay
with mid maxing I think you have a mechanical flaw yeah you have a
mechanical flaw for sure and that's what I'm saying of like if you kind of have
to be even maxed as a child of the big three if you're if we're gonna use child
of Zeus you've maxed out your charisma you're adding a plus five to all of the
damage that you're doing or whatever you take for sorcerer yeah with sorcerer
it's a double cast things yeah you're doing all of that but guess what if
somebody puts you in a fucking headlock my guy you do not have a great strength
store strength score I would probably I think that almost makes sense to like
setting locking in some scores like if you take child of Zeus maybe your forever
score on charisma 20 yeah forever score on strength like a fucking nine yeah you
know minus one to every strength role you ever roll and I think that's kind of
like how it has to be I think that works for all of the big three because it is
like you are specifically weak to certain things like one of the big points
in the lightning thief as Percy is spoilers I guess for Percy Jackson yeah
the book series it's been out for fucking ever yeah if one of the big points is
like they're trying to get from fucking New Jersey where Camp Half-Blood is to
crazy that it's in New fucking Jersey yeah it's a wild choice for a camp it's
wild so they're trying to get to LA right and they're like okay well why don't we
just fly and everyone's like cool your child of Poseidon if you go in the air
your plane is getting struck down by lightning before you leave the tarmac
like you were in that's in Zeus's domain you were not allowed to do that yeah and
kind of having those like those constraints of you are taking your like
using children of Athena for example automatically all of them are going to
get a fear of spiders yeah like that is built in that is a there's something
about the Jackson like you cannot escape yeah and I think that those are a nice
balance for things like and it's also a thing if this is something also canonical
to the first Jackson University I find pretty interesting is that children of
the big three specifically Zeus and Poseidon have built in beef with each
other that they cannot control because of who their godly parents is interesting
like there's some like random little things like that that kind of seep in
because this is something where I'm not like sitting down and writing a full
source book on yeah it can be very tailored to like individual players so
like pick two of the the cabins on there Artemis and Dionysus well they don't
have beef no zero beef so then they wouldn't have to like you wouldn't have
to roll in any beef but if you're gonna have for example not counting anabeth and
Percy you have a child of Athena and a child of Poseidon in the same party
there's probably gonna be like as a GM I would be like there's a little bit
of tension there and like argument because your parents really do not like
each other and you all are very devoted to your parents but it's part of what
yeah the whole thing so fun is that she was like I fucking cannot stand you you
dumb ass seaweed brain dipshit and then he was just like she's real pretty and
bossy but I'm kind of into it and then cut to like what nine books later or it
wasn't nine books cut to several books later he said so I'm going to burn down
the world being the most powerful simp to exist yeah they made a simp and then
gave him infinite power one of my like the head cannons are like theories are
whatever I see online is basically like yeah if anabeth had like fully died when
she was spoiler alert spells into Tartarus and then he dives in after
her they were like cool if she died I don't think that the series would have
continued in the way they wanted to like they wouldn't be fighting against the
Giants if Percy would be like tearing down places because that's really his
only tether to morality which is crazy I'm like I'm like brainstorming ways
like how do you kill Percy Jackson how do you do it like I think you have to have
in the same room what objects what items what magical fuckery do you have to have
going on is it the big three versus Percy like that's how we take them out
we like the brothers that refuse to speak or look at each other and be like
cool your time has come motherfucker a little bit I mean like I personally I
think if you just give anabeth a Glock she's taking care of it like I think that
she could kill him simply because of like how is a person how strict is is fate
in this universe and Percy Jackson you so like if somebody writes a prophecy that
says so-and-so is gonna drink a potion at the age of 25 and die well the
prophecies aren't that like right it's like oh my god I used to have the
prophecies memorized even to that extent how strictly do the characters end up
adhering to those prophecies they end up like actually happening but it's never
in the ways that you expect like that's the whole thing with prophecies of like
who writes them the Oracle and she doesn't really write him so the current
Oracle is this character named Rachel well they read right they read and they
don't read them they get possessed by the Oracle of Delphi yeah they just yeah
I know the Oracle's work well my other thought was that and this is again in
tangent how to kill an incredibly powerful and broken character the only
way that I could see outside of uniting powers that will never for any reason
outside of imminent death and destruction which they don't believe is
possible for them would be to have somebody write like to go to the powers
above and to be like cool prophecy time dog I don't care what we got to do write
them into a hole write them into a hole so you're saying that Zeus needs to go
to the writers room and say Percy's gonna die correct and dead ass yeah you
find a way to bribe to spend to do whatever for the oracles and be like
cool write his prophecy so that this motherfucker dies write him off write him
on an island write him away from us forever you know you I don't think that
you could do that but you could like you could try though I guess try because I
mean like looking at like you shall go at the first prophecy you shall go West
face the God who has turned find what was stolen see it returned trade by one
that calls you friend you shall save what you shall fail to save what matters
most in the end so the whole time they're thinking okay I have no idea who's
gonna betray me that I think is a friend I don't know but find what was so in
see it safely returned okay that's gonna be the lightning bolt we know that going
West we're going to LA and then failed to save what matters most in the end for
a lot of it Percy thinks that it's gonna be getting the lightning bolt back and
that's what's gonna fail and then he finds out oh psych actually you're not
able to rescue your mom that's what it is and she gets back but and then you
can also interpret as you shall find what was stolen and see it returned also
being about his mother so it's one of those like interpretation things well
the reason why I would go the fate direction is there are a lot of
different interpretations of Greek myth in in sort of mythology my thing came
unplugged I can't bear with me get in there motherfucker
damn testing testing technical difficulties okay I'm back cool there
are some in some interpretations of the myth and the mythology fate is one of
those things that can be through very precocious and unseemly risky all the
bad negative words there are ways that you can change fate or influence it or
write it for another being that all come at a pretty significant price if that is
something that you were willing to play with in the Percy Jackson universe there
was in my mind the way that I would see that happening is a particular God goes
out of their way using whatever power they have to bribe the fates to basically
have them light a Percy straight up yeah because everyone in this universe sees
prophecies and fate is something that cannot be avoided to an extent that will
at least throw that person off their game long enough in theory for you to
come up with another way to kill that person but here's my thing and you know
and you're gonna hate when I tell you this it's pretty jaxon Percy canonically
hates the prophecies it's just this energy of I don't want to fucking do that
stop talking about me I don't give a shit what the prophecy says well maybe
then you write it you write the prophecies about his friends about people
that he cares about if that's his fatal flaw right if he's gonna follow anybody
anywhere then you write it about people that are gonna follow that prophecy a
little bit more yeah to the line I mean you want to talk about how you kill
Percy you kill his mom you kill Anna Beth like but see that's when you back
yourself into a corner though if you yeah no you don't it's like a really good
way to get to Superman is to you know what was laying is to take lowest lane
and we see how that plays out in injustice turns into a tyrant that
can't be stopped you know so at what point do you make too big of an Oopsy
and that Oopsy goes from like the perfect way to kill the character to okay
we've we've now I'm on the run pulling the trigger and now there's no way to
stop the consequences yeah you know yeah I poisoned yeah you good okay I'm
fucking Anna but he's not immortal I need that but see the way that he's
treated in the series you would fucking think he is no one comes up and tries to
fucking like chop his head off in his sleep like I mean you know like if you
shoot Percy Jackson he's a he's a like he'll die water well yeah or has a
puddle next to him you know if you take Percy out to the desert and you put
it go that's bad you tell him to look at the flowers landing like that's valid
that's valid yeah well see that's not getting with the prophecy if you can if
you can get him to the ideal location and then you know that may have to use
not immune to just you know I'm Percy Jackson fuck you he's not immune to
weapons he just has an insane healing ability don't have anybody fight him
either because apparently that's a mistake too don't don't let it be a
weapon where the person has to like best Percy in combat don't do that either
because they'll fucking lose it doesn't matter who they're a child of what
weapon they're using they will lose him stabbing Aries in the foot at 12 years
old and winning that was that was a warning shot for the rest of the series
that was like this character will never is not to be and can never be fucked
with it's genuinely my favorite part about the Percy Jackson universe is that
Percy fucking nuts canonically went to Olympus and said pay your fucking child
support yeah or I'm burning this down and then they did there was ever a time
for the big three to step up and be like not like that was the time I didn't love
his purse like he's like yeah I love my child too if it was fucking Percy Jackson
I mean that's the thing of like would you know he's gonna his kids if it if it
was good if it wasn't fucking Percy the whole Athena thing right like if you
fall off like fuck you but if you're you're doing great things I'm there
with you yeah like Anna Beth is definitely one of her favorites I'll
pay child support if there's something worth being child support too yeah I
mean okay you did have a talking about people who've like tried to kill for
with it we were fully just on it how do you kill Percy Jackson tangent yeah we've
landed on take him to the desert and shoot him with an actual gun well I
mean there's also perhaps with a prophecy tied to one of his friends so in
the second series the the heroes of Olympus so long story short actually not
long story short Hera has beef with Percy obviously yeah clearly I mean who
doesn't correct I can't remember why Hera has specific beef I think it was
cuz Percy literally was like talk shit get hit I don't know what to tell y'all
I mean she's she's very despite the fact at least in mythology despite the fact
that she despises her husband on many levels and everything that he stands
for she is one of the most strict adhears to mortals have to pay their dues
oh no it's literally because Percy makes one of her there's there's a very fine
line between mortals and non mortals and Hera in mythology is very strict to
keeping that as it should be it's like it's the whole um oh who was it that
lost the the contest Iraq Athena yeah I think I know I can knit better than you
are so better than you're whatever spider now and then she beats her and
Athena goes cool you're you're that good at it what if you were just the
fucking creature that does that all the time have fun being a spider lady bitch
and then sends her to be a Rackney you know and Hera is more of like oh you
think you think you're big shit you think you're one of us psych motherfucker my
husband is Zeus I rule these bitches you can eat shit yeah well there's this
whole thing where Hera basically takes all of his memories yeah well I got that
that's where to do it too pops his place with Jason and that's how we meet Jason
um since Percy to Camp Jupiter which is the the Roman camp Jason to Camp
Half-Blood Jason's kind of getting his ass whooped a little bit at Camp Half-Blood
yeah which is just a fucking jank ass camp compared to Camp Jupiter where
Percy learns oh wait y'all can live until you're like adults yeah yeah that's crazy
what do you mean you have a college yeah have that option and then he's offered
basically private school versus a public school yeah and then he's basically
offered like he's just kicking ass he's doing great everyone loves him he is
offered like a position like the highest ranking position there that Jason has
worked like half of his life for it and Percy's just that guy yeah and he just
shows up it's just like yeah everyone loves me it's kind of crazy I don't know
who I am all I remember is there's this chick named Annabeth and that's literally
all I remember also great at literally everything yeah he's love me you know I
will say could you not who Percy is as a person offsets his powers yeah I don't
have beef with the personality I want to be very clear everything I know about
him he sounds like a perfectly likeable person well I think that's what keeps
him balanced is that he's just like yeah I don't fucking know what I'm doing like
shit what am I doing what am I doing fuck versus everyone else is like is that
a god I think that like one of the characters Hazel literally thinks he's
a Greek god when she sees him for the first time meanwhile motherfuckers over
here is just singing the duck tail theme song in his head as he's like running
from a monster it's crazy I'm not saying it's not crazy he's so unintelligent he's
very smart it's just he's also a very much a teenage boy yeah yeah like his
priorities are that of a teenage boys yeah for sure at all times you know you
can balance people one of the ways is by making them stupid or by making them
childishly stupid yeah you know I live in teenager world so I don't know to use
my powers to do all these insane things Jason's also got the same way Jason's a
little dense in my yeah you know dancing dancing people is a great way to balance
them yeah let them know how to use their powers to the fullest ability and to
the to the fullest extent let them know they're good yeah you tell somebody
they're stupid their whole life they're gonna believe it yeah you know Percy
just does that internally any caps himself anyway out of that like very
long tangent about how to kill Percy Jackson in terms of how I would run this
desert and a gun baby I say what time are we at how are we looking 120 okay
yeah we get let's real quick anything else we also let's make a character really
quick oh that's using what we've done okay there's not a lot there to make a
character with but I can do that what do you mean no I get you know what that's
fair we have classes back that's valid that's valid oh here's a question before
we jump into that how would you handle if multiple people wanted to be children
of the big three so because you know that's there's a chance for that to happen
um outside of just straight up looking at one of them and going no I think if I'm
gonna have a child of big three at the table I would almost rather have two
children of the big three yeah rather than just one mm-hmm that being said I as
a GM if because of the way that I like to play in the way that I like to build in
GM and my style is I want the players to come to me and tell me what they want out
of the game good luck dog good luck I know that's a crazy ask I know I don't
think that's a crazy ass for our table I think it's just a crazy ass for a lot of
tables well I mean maybe that's just cuz I'm like more of a player than I am a
GM yeah I mean the player experience versus Apple yeah that's how I did it to
so like if I knew that multiple people wanted to play children of the big three
yeah I would probably sit down and rewrite and somehow fuck up and fuck
around and find out and tweak this world setting and it would not be
traditional like Percy Jackson camp half-lead world to make it a setting
where multiple children of the big three can't exist maybe this is gonna exist
yeah 300 years in the future and it's a definitely some steady tweaks and it's
like tweaking there only futuristic world at this point and they've backed out of
the agreement and they're starting to have children again yeah I'm the only way
I could see that I think you could also do like a like a hiding the status kind
of thing yeah but like one of them is no the other one's not well the thing with
that is that is a thing that like happens in this setting is like a lot of
when you start out Percy's the only child of big three and then by the end of it
you look at end of Heroes of Olympus there's two children of Zeus there's a
Percy there's Tyson who's a Cyclops but still technically his brother yeah there's
two children of Hades Jesus like six of the motherfuckers running around so like
it yeah I get that trying not to fall into that because at that point it's like
there's no matter then and that's the thing the rules don't matter yeah pretty
big rules don't matter I think at that point it could be like cool 20 years
post the prophecy all of the children of the big three that have like been had are
just fully coming out of the woodwork because everyone's been lying yeah which
I mean to the children of Hades were not lying they just got stuck back I know
there were three because one of them died but they were all from like before
the contract happened they were all from like the 30s and 40s but they got stuck
in some type of like time loop like one of them got two of them were stuck in the
Lotus Hotel from the poker face scene what's so funny and they were stuck
in the hundreds of years which is why they were around in children
um that's funny like that's being a child of the big three and getting stuck in a
hotel for 100 years like you get out he doesn't give a fuck about you you got
stuck in an arcade machine for a hundred years dog
mad disappointment this other guy named Percy on the other hand is actively
threatening the pantheon every other day and you got stuck eating fucking
flower-shaped cookies and playing pinball minecraft you're playing minecraft
that's not what happened and I want to let a colossal what listeners to know that
I know that's not what happened but this is a funny bit like colossal fuck up
you would have to be if you got stuck with the VR headset on god oh man I
would retire from being a demigod at that point like stick me back in you
didn't have to wake me up actually know the plot twist is everyone in the Lotus
casino is actually a child of the big three that's really old that's where they
son set children of the big three where it's like oh shit
contract happening they're not allowed to know you exist everybody go in this
little hotel we did go eat a cookie until we decide that the uh lotus a
lotus flower shape cookie like legitimately I think that's what I would
do yeah is just make it a bit yeah one of the shit one of them got loose again
like half of it got out of his case I need to put these fuckers on a leash
like that energy he gets tired of DDR and decided he wanted to go outside
decimate bloodlines oh boy yeah it's just a very long conversation yeah they
have with everybody I think it'd be fun to do a one shot with just three people
that were each a different child of the big three that could be fun you're all
level 15 have fun 15 go prance you know I'm saying yeah that's y'all are
killing yeah see how many things like let's see how crazy your run gets until
eventually you find something that stops you know we're just we're doing a
rogue like how many levels can you clear before somebody shits on you like
fucking frogger yeah pretty much man I mean that's also how like children like
demigods kind of work in this world which is like fucked up how insane can
you make it like you die like in camp half blood he's like huh crazy that the
counselors are like 14 I wonder why that is it's cuz none of them could be older
than like none of them make it to fuck it 16 17 18 yeah that's why okay get back
on track yeah making a character I want to start with the the class house that
it's helpful I mean I don't I feel like the house is significantly more
important in the background the background is a little bit is a way for me
to curve or to play into the tendencies that would come with one of these
children oh Jesus I don't even know which one I want to pick hair is off limits
the big three seems straight a little too straightforward please let me be a
male member of our no please no please no come on I took that test like six
times and it gave me art it could be a girl every single time you could be a
girl come on let me look it up real quick let me see I mean we've you've
looked it up it's not it shouldn't be possible like it would have to be
something that you would allow me to do
children of Artemis are female yeah no I know that I know what we had this
conversation there's something that just says sons of Artemis tend to be
distrusted by the hunt I'm due to the fact of being a male I'm if you'll allow
it I would be cool with being a black sheep I think that would be kind of fun
my thing is though I don't know what to do with you because you have to be a
child of another God originally because children of Artemis are children of the
hunt have to pick another one then yeah which is like children of Artemis are
they're not biological children of Artemis because she's a maiden yeah no I
know what Artemis is lore is yeah for context of those that aren't super
aware of what like the myth the mythological aspect of her is she's a
two of the things that she is a goddess of are Jastity and sort of like not
having any romantic endeavors goddess of the moon hunting Jastity didn't have
children so I get I get just let me fulfill my dream okay as I'm looking up
like let me fulfill my dream I'm looking on the wiki right now and I'm like
reading through it I'm like reading through the traits and I don't know who
made this but some of this is not canon and not true and it's crazy that they
put this on a website yeah do you like to hear one of them yeah what's up are
you sure you want to hear one of them yeah what's up children of Artemis tend
to be painfully shy about sexual intercourse because their mother is a
virgin goddess see that is not true that is some 14-year-old made that up that
is not canonical I refuse to believe that that is canonical that is a weird
thing to say it's a weird thing to say but in mythos it's true yeah but also on
here it says that children of Artemis also tend to be these sexualities and I
also don't think that it's fair to say that children of one interesting lean
towards a particular sexuality yeah no I get that I get that controversial take
here could I so I have to pick an original parent then in this case yes
can't just be Artemis can I pick one of them
are you just because I know because I there's no there's no better I'm not
saying I'm not saying no I'm just saying you are just building Talia Grace am I
she was a daughter of Zeus damn it I was gonna be a bitch who became a child
of Artemis son of a bitch Hunter Artemis was like punk she got turned into a
tree for a really long time fuck fuck fuck fuck it's already been done older
sister already been done yeah son of a bitch
god damn it I you can I'm just telling you that that is already a character I
don't want to tread previous territory here I don't want to just make the same
character with different genitalia like what's the point you know what's the
reason I mean I think there's some other fun options on here I'm just looking at
the subclasses and thinking which of these subclasses what I actually want to
play honestly fathomless with Poseidon sounds fun just because I've never done
that like I also have a in my own spare free time my own interests I really
enjoy listening to different stories about like monsters of the deep like some
people have the lasophobia which is a phobia of like the deep the deep sea I am
on the complete opposite of the spectrum I love listening to stories about that
shit I think you fucking freak I think deep sea critters the bigger the better
like I think that shit is so cool and fun in like a freaky kind of way so that's
kind of something that sticks out to me sometimes when I like sometimes when
those like the lasophobia videos come across my like for you page I'll watch
them and just make myself sick yeah and I know that will every time the ones that
jump out to me that I think I'd be interested in playing Poseidon Demeter
Ares I think Athena's just who I am as a DM I want to get away from this player
not really Apollo Artemis is just the only the only thing I want to do is it's
already been done and I'm not gonna do that you can fuck a Festus fuck every
actually wait a minute wait a minute I'm in Hephaestus sounds a little bit fun
sounds a little fun I'm not doing Hermes it's his head studded he's an asshole I
don't like him I think you could play a child of Hermes very well but I've said
that before yes you have yes you have why I think that you fit into that jack of
all trades oh yeah energy and I think that you also have a tendency to have a
lot of fun playing very arrogant characters oh yeah like it's valid
almost all of the characters that I've seen you play almost all of them I would
put his child of Hermes
that's some thinking of like the four or five that I've had a chance to be
including my my NPCs yeah this is a fun type I'm not saying there's anything
wrong with that most of mine would also probably fit into the same category
Magnolia would have been a challenge is yes she would have been yep yep I think
Dionysus I think she would have again this is another like she wanted to be a
clown yeah she would have loved to have been a child of Dionysus is that what
she is no in another world yeah you know what maybe to be different and Festus
also don't play super combat heavy characters so like the idea of being a
child of Aries is also kind of fun I don't like necromancy I think it's a
little boring I agree I'm not being a satyr I refuse it's nothing interesting
about that one to me yeah I don't know it's definitely it's yeah between
Poseidon Demeter Aries and Hephaestus I'm not playing Hermes because I want to
break the cycle so it's between those four I'll be back I think in terms of like
building an interesting character I think that there could be I think there's
always fun to be had with Poseidon I'd also be interested in seeing Demeter
yeah Hephaestus I think that you could do pretty easily so if you're wanting to
push yourself in a new direction Iron Man I think this is fun you sound really
excited about Iron Man I just have so many it depending on how many ass
pulls I could get out of that there are so many things that I would want to do
with Hephaestus like with a child of Hephaestus I'm looking to make so many
objects that just shouldn't exist it's just no I fuck with that let's go let's
go that route I love the concept of making things you shouldn't yeah let's
take that it move that sentence making things you shouldn't mischievous
Hephaestus so which would you be leaning more towards Battlesmith or armor
armor armor oh yeah talked about that armor the whole mechanical owl thing
doesn't really yeah I don't know where you got mechanical owl and just like the
first thing I think of just in general the first no there's some there's one
of the movies oh it's one of the the god the wrath of the god movies or whatever
the fuck they're called yeah well you would know what if I showed it to you
the main character is always Perseus but it's like an adult ass man oh yeah yeah
like that and there's the little mechanical owl thing in there yeah yeah so
we know what we want the class to be so moving to
background how fast this sucks you chose it you were just excited I'm excited
about the class I'm not excited about that being my fucking parent okay who's
having sex with Hephaestus he is canonically one of the ugliest motherfuckers
and that is why it is a curse upon Aphrodite's record that she is legally
married to Hephaestus why she actively steps out and fucks Aries constantly
because nobody wants to touch Hephaestus with a tin football in Greek
mythology Hephaestus had many children with with various consorts including
goddesses nymphs and possibly humans oh Jesus I just read the next sentence
after what was highlighted and I'm not reading that on the podcast but that's
a crazy sentence oh I know the myth that they're talking about I know the myth
they're talking about but that's not how holy shit that's crazy talking about
but like what a crazy wow like of events I the version I read it was sweat I
think what there's there's one thing I learned in my Greek mythology class that
there are many different versions of the myth and because we don't have one to
one records there's no way to confirm which one was real yeah that could have
been sweat come and see man who knows that's so fun yeah the low lights of
what we just read is Hephaestus wanted to have sex with Athena Athena was like
no I'm good and then Hephaestus was like yeah but I think I'm still into this and
then some of it got on Athena Athena wiped it off with a rag threw that rag on
the ground that rag then got Gaia the planet pregnant and then that thing gave
birth to a child and then Athena adopted that child yep she passed out support
even though she didn't have to yeah yeah and if I suppose deadbeat father when
is he listen he cares about one thing and that's his artifacts yeah and Zeus
works that fucking man to the bone I'm trying to find the walls he made the
walls of Olympus he made almost all of the big like the the primary weapons that
all of the big anything uses really I can't find anywhere how children of
Hephaestus are born so we're just gonna assume that it's random guy
additionally random person what do we what are we thinking for the background
we talked about our three options are kind of armor urban rule or suburbs and
then within that you've got private versus public education so the two big
the back okay the three bigger backgrounds or ideas pictures of
backgrounds that I'm kind of getting in my mind here is there's like the rule
version is a guy that like works on tractors or fixes up like the farming
equipment or is like one in a town of like six and just does all of the like
trinket fixing yeah then there's like the you know in the super compact like
New York Chicago setting where it's like fixing up cars and working at a
mechanic shop and you know doing those kinds of things and then like the upper
end of that is working not working but I guess the private education is like he
has access to a 3d printer and is like in a Miles Morales type charter school
where it's like yeah a lot of really sick technology and there's like a level
of privilege where he gets to make literally whatever he wants yeah so
those are kind of the three like I guess kind of settings or backgrounds that I'm
imagining for this person what do you lean more towards I've already done the
middle one I've done the middle background many times for different
characters so I'm gonna roll the mechanic just like the from like the New
York setting where it's like the I think it's just I think subconsciously you
just really love doing the Jersey accent it's one of the accents and best step
yeah also being compared to that person type in real life many times from people
that have visited those places and I don't even I've never been to them
haven't been to one of them it's so they're like you could basically be one
of them that's crazy so I'm from southern Indiana I don't have the money to live
in New York I'm glad that you think I could be there though we are from about
two hours away from each other I get told that I sound like southern occasion
or I sound I not sound southern that I have a Kentucky accent that's yeah
that's crazy I mean sometimes you do sometimes you don't what correct I have
accent drift of whoever I'm around and you get told you have a Jersey accent
we are two hours apart and those are two vastly different accents I just think
that's it's funny yep anyways eliminating the first or eliminating the
second if I'm going more with the like trying to make things that shouldn't be
made or pushing the boundaries on like what can be made then my thought would
be to go with the third where it's more like private school access to the really
upper ends of things the like dreaming big constantly and always pushing the
limits on the things that can be made versus like the hodunk I fixed tractors
and yeah helped an old lady get her toaster working again you know so I
thought about that guy's doorbell I was looking at the backgrounds that come
with 5e I'm not really yeah they're not feeling any of them for this particular
one so I'm gonna make them up on the fly go ahead tool proficiencies are
obviously gonna be whatever the fucking crafters tools are artisan tools
whatever yeah you're gonna get proficiency with those which are also
going to get with being a artificer yeah so that should give you expertise with
them at least that's the way that I interpret it in the way we generally do
it at our table is if you have two things that say that you both get
you get proficiency in the skill in two separate places we allow it to double
and you get expertise can I thinking about that background then could it
maybe be that part of instead of it being like I like forge and fire and
Smith my maybe the idea for the character then is that it's trying to bring
like the technology of the modern world into I think what can be made here
that's a super fun concept because camp half blood is canonically very like the
half blood world is super technology averse like mechanics are one thing
and maybe that's where the like making things that shouldn't be made yeah
come you found a way to jailbreak a cell phone and allow you to like half
bloods and demigods to be able to use it without attracting monsters like I
think that's a super fun concept and like way to go about this for skill
proficiencies I would say oh my god I wish I had a list of all the skill
proficiencies because now I'm like yeah it's difficult there's a lot to know
laking there's a lot to know give me a second trying to think of the
intelligence-based ones I don't think any of those necessarily work though
there's not really any that are like craft aligned no not in the not in fifth
edition I'm gonna say bonus to slight of hand your proficient in slight of hand
yeah yeah because I guess slight of hand is used for a lot of those things isn't
it yeah and then I'm going to say in this world in this setting it's not our
conna it's gonna be lore yeah that's it that's one of my favorite changes with
the capes and creaks is changing that I think it makes more sense so cuz lore in
history I think are different mm-hmm so I'm gonna give you lore as well so you'll
have proficiency with that thank you I'm looking at the other things languages
are gonna be useless in this yep they're useless in our setting unless you
intentionally make them useful yeah so equipment right up not a thing that needs
to be set of artisan's tools a cell phone hell yeah you've been able to jailbreak
and a pouch containing 15 drachma hell yeah equipment jail broken phone now this
is normally when we would roll on the like little pull little personality
traits chart but you want to we don't have one that I think fits I think you
can use though yeah I mean I think you still can not bad I'm looking at gild
artisan go ahead and we don't have dice I can roll a digital thing to pull yeah
yeah person tools what am I rolling a six you're gonna roll a d8 okay cool and
we'll just reshape whatever this is yeah for sure roll a d8 three I always want
to know how things work and what makes people tick well that's correct yeah
generally sure all right roll again one to know how things work I like to roll
for at least two on personality traits I agree one's usually not enough roll
again five I'm rude to people who lack my commitment to hard work and fair play
okay do you want to pick another one because these feel a little too rude to
non hard work that feels a little too real to who you are no I think I'm fine
with keeping that okay I'm okay with that because I think I think the way that I
would play it different than myself is it's more of like oh like if you're not
crazy about it if you're not pushing the limits constantly yeah then you're not
doing it right so it's less of the like okay you're not as dedicated as I am it's
like no like you're not pushing this as far as it could be yeah like you just you
haven't min maxed this thing that you're doing and that's why you're failing
like that's why you fucking suck like I imagine him as a guy that always has a
monster and an Adderall like he's just constantly working things out yeah it's
like if you're not pushing your body to failure on this is an engineering major
yeah that's exactly who I'm imagining this is like he's just he's always trying
to push out new stuff that shouldn't be pushed yeah and it's like what if it
fucking calm down yeah yeah yeah so going with this I think even not rolling on
the ideal chart this is kind of leading me to this is a little bit more of a
chaotic alignment yeah chaos yeah for sure oh yeah alignment great it's my
least right well just the idea of like no that yeah I get that I like I'm looking
at these and trying to like figure out how to word one I want to I think this
is the only character where I have ever landed this is a moment for me where I
have ever landed on chaotic neutral the only character in concept because I'm
thinking in his mind it doesn't matter what the purpose is no it doesn't have
to be good or bad it's the only the only purpose to this is to make the craziest
best thing I possibly can I'll be damned the consequence yeah like I'm jail
breaking phones and bringing them into Camp Half Blood so that I can make like
tech-based stuff which like going back to who the people at Camp Half Blood are
a lot of people at Camp Half Blood are delinquents they are problem students
because of being a demigod in the way that you are wired in the Percy Jackson
universe canonically you're often a troublemaker because you often have ADHD
or another disability that often paints you as a problem child and weird things
happen to you and you find yourself in weird situations which are magically
based but you don't know that so you're just a problem child and a lot of like
people come from alternative schools and stuff like that so like I think this
also is a concept that works really well of if you're someone who's like
pushing the brink and pushing the limits with technology and stuff that's
something in the in this 21st century that is very much a thing that like we
all knew the kids who jail broke the Chromebooks and got all of the illegal
stuff on them yep and like this that and the other like that's what you're doing
you're like mm-hmm but yeah chaotic alignment of like you are pushing things
as far as they can go consequences be damned yeah well I can't believe I
landed on that d6 yeah baby five um I've only spiced doesn't really fit so we
can also re-roll one day I will return to my guilds improve that I'm the
greatest artisan of them all with demigods it's not really a thing where
you can like return back somewhere and prove that you're cool and good because
it's like yeah they're mortals I could see there being a level of hubris where
maybe it's because nobody has ever pushed the boundaries like with modern
technology and like myth like mythological tech maybe part of it is not
necessarily going back to the guild but like just maybe is that it can be done
yeah proving that it can be done yeah right like the end goal is to make
something that is is so seamlessly both of those things and is better because of
it that like nobody can doubt that that is the better option and that he is the
one that made it because this is falling under bonds how do we bring that with a
person or a group of people because bond the whole thing with bond is like it's
supposed to give you that like connection to something or someone because
like other examples on this are like I pursue wealth to secure someone's love
or I owe my guild a great debt for forging me into the person I am today I
created a great work for someone and found them unworthy to receive it I'm
still looking for somebody worthy so how are we taking that concept or tying it
into a person or is there another way that you would like to like add yeah I
mean the three groups of people that stick out to me that could fit that is
whatever school he's from maybe it's it's a thing where it's really competitive
he's kicked out maybe that's part of what sort of starts him on the camp half
blood journey finding a school that is like accepting of his proclivities
because you know they all get there in their own fucking weird ways yeah and
maybe part of the end goal then is to like get into that school like yes
being an adventurer right not only what the term is here of being a half blood
or adventure or whatever that's fun but like the original goal here was to get
accepted into this school and they clearly didn't want me I could see that
being an option depending on what his relationship is with Hephaestus or
whoever his parent is I could see either one of those two people being that
person or a group of people here or just somebody at camp half blood or like camp
half blood in general right like there's such a strong and well-known
anti-technology vibe there that maybe part of the early experience for him is
being told like no like this is the wrong way like you're never gonna get an A on
that assignment because you are refusing to do it the right way yeah I think a
situation where it's like you bringing in this technology and doing what you do
and then being immediately told by like the higher-ups and the people that you
learned are the people to be respected in like revered in this setting are
telling you what the fuck are you doing stop that you fucking idiot that's gonna
like attract monsters and blah blah blah blah blah and being like and learning
about that and being like no I'm gonna prove you wrong I'm gonna prove that
like I can do this and then I think also kind of leaning into that thing with
Hephaestus of like maybe your dad even is like hey knock this shit off
yeah like what you're doing is not that was that was all about creation but like
one of my questions then building this character is what do you think is sort of
the DM is the relationship then between Hephaestus and this person is it a
situation where Hephaestus leans on the side of camp half blood and sort of the
other gods where technology is like it's like the modern tech is like a no and
if so is it because like oh ours is better or is it like a they don't have
theirs they don't have any which is I so I don't think it theirs is better I think
well in the sense that like there is technology to an extent right like a
Smith is a form of technology a you know a whatever like the lightning bolt that
Hephaestus makes for Zeus is a form of weapon technology like is I guess what I
mean by that is is it is is it a situation where Hephaestus is like
clearly all of the things I have done and like all of the technology that I have
given to people is a one it's stood the test of time we don't fuck with that
other shit because it's subpar like where or is it like a he's supportive of it
or I don't know I think it's a situation where in a very godly parent way you get
different vibes mm-hmm I think in actuality what it is is he doesn't want
you to die like I mean I think Hephaestus is a decent enough father or at least the
way that I am interpreting him in this specific setting just because it's been
a royal since I've read Heroes of Olympus or seen Hephaestus as a father I
think that he's also very like like you're giving a very mad scientist
energy yeah and I think that Hephaestus has that as well and also being like hey
I'm with you but you also need to like back to fuck down sometimes because
we I think there's a there's a time of him being like I know he knows if the
Hephaestus knows that he's powerful mm-hmm but I think there's a moment also of
him being like I know that I'm not going to fight Zeus yeah I'm not going to
fight the Pantheon like I'm not going I'm not gonna step up I know my place
yeah I'm smarter than what people give me credit for and I'm not gonna let people
make fun of me and walk all over me but at the same time I'm not going to try
and rise above my station right and you are trying to rise above your station
I know you can't do it yeah but you know where you lay but you need to like know
mm-hmm when the push and when did not push yeah so I think it's kind of that
in between of he's like I don't doubt that you can do it but I don't think you
should mm-hmm and what does that mean to you yeah yeah cool
roll a d6 flaws another six flaws yeah four um I'm never satisfied with what I
have I always want more we've already established that yeah I mean I'll write
it on there for fun I'll roll another one for that yeah five it's like fucking
third five I would kill to acquire a noble title we can re-roll that that's a
lot no I get it I could see it with the character though because like the
ultimate stamp of approval would be given a seat at the table of the people
that get to make all the tech for all the gods yeah I think maybe once he gets
there it's this realization that like okay I'm like I'm an ambitious person
but I was thinking small potatoes yeah like there's like my father after
however long being there like my father makes the weapons for the gods like the
ultimate level then that I could be on is seat at the same table yeah I mean
what if I'm also and then it's not just the fact like it's not just the old
brand of tech what if my brand of tech is so a cut above the rest that they have
to invite me I think that that fits very well with the setting of the world
specifically because most of the I'm probably gonna set this in that like
weird nondescript time I did the last one where there are some people at camp
I'm gonna use Annabeth as an example of she would be someone that I think that
your character would look up to as a case of like it's possible because she's an
architect and blah blah blah blah blah she gets invited to redesign Mount
Olympus and she does she is the new architect for Mount Olympus she is a
mortal demigod who you have eaten lunch with before so it's it's decidedly
possible yeah which makes it feel a little bit more like tangible yeah yeah
so like that lofty of the goal I just have to be a
lover of Percy Jackson yeah and also save the world multiple times and hold up
the earth and yeah like there's a list of things but also like hey I gotta start
my feet list kind of start doing crazy shit that Hercules tasks like give me
six things you want me to make by the end of next week and I'll do it yeah you
know just create fucking bastards yep what fucking Frankenstein creations
yeah it's like things are things that God has like thrown away nobody wants to
use these items items are cursed why did you make this because I could like what
is the weirdest creation that you think that your character has made Jesus who
knows man I don't know that's that's a hard one
I'm trying to think of like problems that could be fixed with very what seem
like simple technologies that like it's very obvious why people haven't done
this but like I'm thinking in the absurd realm
taking it to the extreme as always thinking about like as a teenager one
of my biggest problems is my phone battery dies all of the time so a really
easy way to charge it would just be to have like a nuclear powered battery pack
there we go okay no like I'm going from house to house taking out every one of
the like the fire alarms and getting the little tiny amount of nuclear material
that's in them and then trying to make a battery with it yeah okay the way I see
that in this setting specifically is like you're using like there's like the
nectar in ambrosia that like you're only left have very small doses of telling
to heal yourself yeah you found a way to like harness this like literal God like
I'm turning them into fucking stem shots you can like you've made every little
drip I get my hands on is going in a syringe with Red Bull in an Adderall
like you kidding me I was going like you found a way to like transfer those and
use literal like the thing that powers a God that God into a phone battery you
went the direction of I'm shooting it up but isn't that easy that's a way to like
that's something that shouldn't be made though correct because you just eat it
but then you can also just take it the other way I mean no this is the this is
exactly what happens we're having that conversation now where everyone goes but
why did you do this there was already you could so many other ways that you
could have done it you could just get it or drink it and you decided to make a
syringe is instantaneous there's efficiency on chewing you don't wear it
down your teeth you do there's no taste if you don't like the way it tastes even
though that's literally not possible and you get all the other added benefits
being able to put whatever else you want to put in this range like I love this
because this is now taking shape in my head of like useless like creations of
like I think of like but why did you make this turning super simple things into
very complicated things because in some way they shave the numbers off on the
efficiency task list you know it's like the the fucking light clap like where
you clap your hands and turn a light on and off it's like yeah but why are we
doing this yeah like what does that do for you and like the idea of like that
the technology taking this flavor of being like you know when you wake up
and you have to put your shoes on that's so much effort I made a robot that puts
your shoes on you and it's like body with a yeah it's that that's who you are
spray on shoes where everyone just goes but why would you do this it can get
even better though when you have access to godly materials oh the things you can
make easier and everyone's I owe the thing you're over the things you can
make everyone's like what if you didn't yeah what if you didn't make things that
we already had a perfectly good system for and it's not even like at this point
being like oh well we have paper maps so we don't need GPS it's like no we know
how to chew food so why did you make it it's easier it's simpler it's on the go
it's portable you can store it no the original food was too like listen you
can save them and juice yourself multiple times like your snake oil salesman
yeah to an extent making the fucking like this maybe too like even to that
point though it's like then there's also like the practical side of things where
it's like yeah like if you have a drop of ambrosia that powers your phone for
several days yeah I think a blend of both is fun where it's like you have some
really good ideas in here but also really unhinged I mean that's a lot of
though right shit if you if you iterate enough if you ideate enough and you just
churn out ideas shotgun at the wall everything that sticks gets made to
you over quality corrects you will have some truly amazing inventions and then
you will also have some things that should not be made fair enough you know
what's this character's name we'll close out with that oh god I was thinking of
just unhinged people in the first person that stuck out to me was Zach from
dimension 20 yeah so Zach I think that's fitting yeah that's very fitting
unhinged choices I would love to see him play this character
Zach I don't know what his last name is oh yeah no I'm not like not him the
person oh okay yeah I don't want to write up please don't play Zach oh yeah
that's a little appropriated for me I land on a side of melanated but not that
point I don't want to I'm not some other people that feel comfortable with
robo-ling different kinds of people at the table okay no no shade throne I just
don't know if I can do that personally on that note oh boy I think we have a
pretty good like stepping stone for like going about and running a system or at
least through character creation the way you would run it I think would be the
same as 5e you just look up Greek stat blocks for all the monsters that you're
fighting but other than that I think that's pretty yeah solid unless there's
anything I'm missing no I think that's I think that's good we are at two hours
little over this is one of our longest episodes you've ever done I did not mean
for it to be no it's fun that's what it should be that's what we got on a very
long tangent about killing person Jackson yeah that was a solid 15 to 20 minute
tangent about how to kill first Jackson because I have beef with the way his
character was written on that note we will see you never not next Thursday