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Hello players who could no longer play just one class.

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And DMs who have seven intricate PCs they've built and have been waiting to play for years but no they never will.

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Welcome back to Table Talk. I'm Maddie.

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And I'm Robert.

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What are we talking about today Robert?

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How to play more than one class at the same time and not be shit at it hopefully.

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It's not even that clearly explained in the player's handbook which not to shit on the people that wrote it.

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I mean fifth edition is very complicated and very hard to understand.

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So I don't pretend to know what better than they do.

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But just doing some of the research for this particular episode and like learning how the fuck like the official stuff is is kind of crazy.

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There's a whole bunch of rules they go with it.

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It gets really really into the nitty gritty when you start talking about casting spells and cantreps from different classes because you still have to cast with the original ability modifier not your primary one.

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So if you're like doing one or two with different casting.

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So if you're casting like wizard and divine smite with charisma you're not going to use charisma to then use one of your wizard cantreps.

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Like it's just it's not how it's going to work.

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It's all it's all very convoluted.

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Multi-class thing is difficult and honestly 95% of players are going to be better off sticking to a single class just because unless you really are going for like a super specific build chances are you're going to miss out on the benefits of just like the original class you picked.

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Yeah.

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Multi-classing is particularly useful when you want features usually within the first three levels of another class but you want to focus more on one.

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It can be fun for story reasons it mechanically is kind of like okay I'm missing this specific kind of thing whether that's AC I want higher hit points I want more access to certain kinds of spells I want to be able to do more unarmed strikes.

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Then maybe it makes sense for your wizard to multi-class into a monk if they like also like the idea that they're trained in martial combat or for your warlock to multi-class into rogue if they want to do the more like stealthy side of magic while also going to sneak attack dice which you don't get that for spells.

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So that's kind of the downside but.

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The other way I think is also like very character German if you have a character that you really really want to be built in a specific way like Bard Barion is a relatively well known build if you want to be like he may like the strong man in a circus and you want to be a performer but you want to be very physical about it.

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You know that would be kind of a good build to go with or just like like flavor purposes as opposed to just mechanical because I'm someone who will tank my own stats.

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If it fits the vibe I literally lowered one of my stats for my character that I'm currently playing as I was going through and I was like it didn't make sense.

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I was like she cannot be that charismatic she's she's very bad at this so I lowered her score like just unprompted.

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So if you're like really into that aspect of it and then of course if you're like someone who like really likes like min maxing and like metagaming and optimization builds.

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You can get there with multi classing but like Robert mentioned earlier a lot of the time you're going to end up like unless you know what you're doing inside and out.

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It's how you're gonna every player is going to go through multi classing a character and just fucking it up like a lot and just kind of making it redundant and like abilities that just like kind of cancel each other out as opposed to like helping each other.

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There's a lot of overlap as well between classes specifically in class features so they sound or they're labeled different but they read the same.

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I'll get into some of those examples.

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One of the other things to keep in mind with multi classing is that there are two general terms to keep in mind character level is the first and then class level is the second.

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They don't really use those terms and fit the addition all that much but it's still kind of useful to know a character level is the total number of levels you have across all of your classes.

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If that's a singular class then that you could that's also your class level but if you're a level five character that your character level would be five.

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But if you're multi classing in fighter and then also in rogue you could say that your class levels then respectfully are fighter three in rogue two or the opposite or as many higher levels you want.

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And that's kind of how it will display sometimes on whatever like if you're using a digital character sheet I know ours that it breaks it down by that.

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If you're doing it physically it's just something you have to keep track of but the first step to choosing is figuring out what requirements you need to actually break into another class.

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So in the players handbook chapter six customization options is a fun little list of prerequisites to multi class.

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The main barrier is your ability scores.

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So strength charisma wisdom dexterity intelligence.

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None of them not a single glass cast with Constitution.

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It's a fucking stupid stat that doesn't be there.

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There is an interview that they that Brennan Lee Mulligan did on the podcast Adventuring Academy.

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I think it was where he was talking about this is me referencing someone else talking about a article they read on a different podcast.

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So this is like very redundant.

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But going through multiple levels.

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Well it talks about how there was an argument that sorcerers should use Constitution as their primary ability modifier because it's like it's innate to their bloodline or their person.

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So it's back control over your individual body as opposed to like how fucking sexy you are which I know that's not what charisma is but like to me that's always kind of what charisma reads as.

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Right.

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But I think that that's just a so there's arguments out there. Maybe somebody wants to homebrew their own class.

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Yeah. Using Constitution is casting modifier would be cool.

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But generally speaking all of your barriers are 13 doesn't matter what the stat is.

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It's going to be strength 13 charisma 13 wisdom 13 dexterity intelligence 13 the only one that uses intelligence to break into the multi class is wizard.

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Everything else is going to be charisma dex wisdom or strength.

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There are also some classes that lend themselves to breaking into multi class than others.

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Right. So fighter monk paladin and ranger.

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Right. They have two different stats that you can break into them with wisdom and dexterity strength and charisma dexterity and wisdom strength or dexterity.

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So in theory if you just wanted to have a really high dex character you don't actually need to have a separate stat that also hits 13 you could multi class and a fighter monk and ranger and rogue.

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If for some fucking reason you wanted to do four classes.

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That's obscene. I only using dexterity so you don't actually need to have two different stats.

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I think if you're going beyond two classes I've seen builds with three but I think if you're going for sure like three is already crazy.

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If you are trying to get more classes than that don't just don't.

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There's no mechanical benefits of that really because you're not going to be able to get to a high enough level for you to be able to do things that are powerful enough to back up all of the.

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Fucking work that you're doing and the goddamn pages you were going to have to sip through to like use your own fucking class features.

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A couple of things that also change up in you multi class so hit points and hit dice.

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If you don't know what those are please go listen to the previous episodes or this isn't going to make a whole lot of sense.

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Tldr whenever you level up your class has a set amount of hit dice so that could be a six a 10 a 12 depends on what class you're in and basically when you level up you'll roll X amount of those and that will determine how much health you use.

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Using the hit points higher than first level section in the players handbook the way that this works with multi class is actually kind of interesting so if you if you've had nothing but sixes as a wizard up to four different levels and then up to your fifth level you decide you want to take barbarian you get a D 12 that does not mean that you get to roll five D 12 instead of four D sixes and one D 12 you only get the one but it does mean that you will roll with all those different dice.

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The other thing is that your proficiency bonus is not something you have to worry about it is the same regardless of how many classes you're in it only cares about your character level it doesn't give a shit about what other classes you have points or experience in leveling up if you do experience points that also doesn't give a shit about your class level you still have to get eight if you have seven points in different classes you're still looking at leveling up to eight really matter.

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The proficiencies you get are a little bit different because a lot of the time when you're starting out with a class you get a certain number of like proficiencies that automatically come with it.

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Versus when you're multi classing it's a little bit more like screen one only certain ones that you get.

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And generally that's going to be proficiencies with items and I mean items in the terms of like weapons and armor and things like that you're not going to be getting like bonuses to actual skills which means if you're a multi classing into sorcerer or wizard.

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You get nothing kind of shit you get nothing you get nothing you get a fucking middle finger.

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Yeah just looking at the table it's it's shields like simple weapons martial weapons light armor one skill of your choice like it's all very basic stuff.

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And it's essentially to keep you from getting too many overlapping abilities just because there are a lot of things that are similar.

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Another important thing to know is that when you very very very first created character in your first level of a class.

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It gives you a starting equipment to choose from you do not get an additional set of starting equipment if you put a first level in another class beyond your first class.

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Why would you I mean you can choose to go out and buy a whole new set of gear to like I don't know fit the vibe but it's not something that just comes with the level up.

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And a lot of the time I mean I guess it depends on what level you're starting at but if you're like playing characters from a lower level and moving forward often times you're going to be multi classing along the way so it's going to be you're already actively playing this character when you decide that you want to take levels and something else.

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And the idea of getting starting equipment for that is so goofy because it's like most of the time there's not like a real world event that's like cool you like level up and it's this really cool thing it's like no you wake up the next morning because you leveled up outside at the table.

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And you have these new abilities and the idea of like waking up and just seeing a whole new pile of like of stuff next to you stuff that's just been granted like a whole new kit of shit because you decided you wanted to get good at singing instead of punching.

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Yeah and it just like spawned in which I think is like kind of goofy I think it's fun but like.

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Yeah it's not happening.

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Yeah I mean unless you just really wanted to happen.

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Another thing to consider about multi classing that a lot of people miss out on because they're not 100% sure how to do it right.

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Abilities score increases are a class feature they are not something that come with your character level overall.

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So ability score increases for those that again are unaware go back and listen to the previous episodes TLDR.

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Usually at the fourth eighth twelve sixteenth and nineteenth levels with the exception of fighters and rogues who get more ability increases.

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It is a class feature at those levels to get an ability score of your choice to increase.

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What that means is if you hit the fourth level as a fighter you can then choose to increase one of your ability scores by one that's usually going to give you an option between so on so forth.

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It is entirely possible in your entire run in multi classing to miss every single ability score increase if you choose to do it that way.

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It's fucking dog shit.

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It is. It is incredibly dog shit.

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And what it means is that you need to at least in my opinion you need to pick one core class to focus on at least until you get to the fourth level.

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Maybe the fifth level because you really start getting a lot of increases to a lot of different things at the fifth level.

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Beyond that do whatever the fuck you want.

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But unless you have magical items to boost your ability scores or you have you just rolled really good on like roll points and roll ability scores as opposed to one of the other ways to build your character.

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What the fuck is that system called point by yeah or as opposed to point by right like if I roll straight sixteenths and I have a bunch of pluses and I don't have a score below a fourteen a fucking ability score increase.

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I'm just going to go out of my way to get one magical item that's just going to dump stat one of them and then take whatever levels I want into the class.

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But if you're not so fortunate you have like a nine in intelligence and you would like to pump that up eventually.

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Good fucking luck.

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Maybe not multi class.

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Good luck. I mean you can. It's just going to be a lot harder because you're not going to get to use any of the fun multi class aspects until you at least grab one of those ability score increases.

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I think one of the other like kind of downsides to multi class can I don't say this and I don't think either of us are coming at this point of like being anti multi class almost all of the characters that I play are multi class just because it's something I enjoy to do.

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But a lot of the times you have to be very careful about making sure that you don't have abilities that like completely cancel each other out or that your multi class doesn't render your character useless.

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Like I mean if you're a barbarian of any kind you have to keep in mind OK well when you're raging you can't cast spells.

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That's going to be pretty fucking big if you decide to multi class into a spell casting class because it's like cool that's great you cannot use any of those in combat if you want the benefits of rage.

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And like trying to like kind of balance those things and it's also a thing of like extra attack.

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Yeah that doesn't stack.

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Yeah no it's you get it once you can only take it once.

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So if you have a feature with fighter into feature with Monk that both say you can make two attacks you can still only make two attacks you don't suddenly get four same thing with an armor defense it's another ability that doesn't stack.

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And again like I mentioned earlier can trips and spells you cannot cast them using another modifier outside of the one assigned to your class.

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So if you get a can trip from your one level and wizard and you have a dumb stat and anything that's not intelligence and you have like the bare minimum requirement for wizard you're never going to be able to upcast that

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and it's only ever going to be locked at level one wizard. Yeah and it's one of those things of like a lot of multi classing you can tell which character which class is kind of Linda itself to multi class with other classes.

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So you can tell from the pan of the sorcerer warlock multi class and you're also going to be able to see like cool like Druid Monk and fighter which we kind of talked about earlier those are all going to like go really well together.

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And any of your martial classes if you're going to like multi class with something I would with a barbarian for reasons outside of like just the flavor and if you're looking for like a good mechanical build you're going to want to be looking at the more martial classes because that's like what you're going to be able to do and be able to

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recognize okay well with this one huge feature of this glass I can't do so many other things like a rogue paladin sounds cool in theory because you're like oh cool I could like sneak attack and smite on the same turn and then you have to keep in mind okay well what do I have to do with whatever my like rogue subclasses to get that sneak attack damage

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is that something that I'm going to be able to feasibly do is a paladin if I'm going to be like wearing heavy armor and I'm going to be wielding a martial weapon or like a great sword or something it's going to be significantly I don't even think you can can you sneak attack with like a great sword

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I think it has to be as long as as long as you're attacking somebody from stealth I believe you get sneak attack damage if you have the ability to do so yeah otherwise it's just flanking and you call it advantage yeah it's just one of those things we've got to like really think through and design

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YouTube is great for finding quick builds people do all sorts of example builds online of like favorite anime characters or favorite character from comic books or from fantasy and a lot of the times it is multi class because like real people or real character builds are usually a little bit more complex than like just mainlining one subclass in another glass

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like it doesn't make a lot of sense for like that incredibly dynamic and diverse character that has a list of different powers and abilities to be a singular glass yeah and that's kind of where I think multi glassing lends itself more to the role play

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and less to the mechanics unless you're just really really really good at it because there's there's so much economy and action economy and class features and AC and hit points and hit dice and proficiencies and cantrips and spells and features that you have to constantly keep in mind depending on just how far you want to take your multi class

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it's already exhausting as a player trying to memorize and fully understand like the depth of your character build and everything because you just oftentimes especially when you're getting to higher levels you have so many things that you can do and then adding another class into that it can be overwhelming

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so unless you're like super confident in something I would steer away from it however I do think that multi classing is something that every player should learn how to do and it should try at least once I think their classes themselves that also lend itself to

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multi classing better I played a straight rogue for one one shot never again in my fucking life while I ever play a straight that it was one of the most garbage experiences and it's one of those things of like cool if I'm going to do this I'm going to multi class like I I love warlocks I don't think I would

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ever play a warlock without multi classing just because the limited spell slots gets me I know you've got a mainline warlock man it's the only way to do it anything any spell you want to with the fifth level and fucking getting me I mean that's really nice

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I have like four spell slots but I'm also doing six times the amount of damage in the wizard next to me who's casting it at like the second level correct but I raise you sorcerer main like the fucking unwanted love child of a warlock and a wizard where some piss baby went but I still want to do more in combat and I want to be able to

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do it and I'm just casting faster while still in spell slots no one cares no one asked for it this is no one gives fuck all you're just naturally good at things each shit at least like the warlock had to make a pact with some like deity and the wizard had to study

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the wizard and the wizard had to find a book what did you do you were born yeah it's one of those were born a fucking poser of the idea of like I every time every time I see an interaction with like the concept of like a wizard and then like a sorcerer and a fucking warlock like talking about their magic is so fucking funny to me

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it's like the wizard's like cool I've studied for years warlocks I made like a powerful deal with an insta sourceers like I'm somebody my family fuck somebody and now I can cast spells on this way fucking nerds fucking losers get wrecked like it's

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up but one of the fun things you could do with warlock and it depends on your table but you can also with having the ability to burn spells like spell slots into sorcery points is really nice when you're taking another like spell casting class because

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and Robert shaking his head in real life because I did this and I just had damn near infinite spell slots and it was to a laughable point where I was like asking for magical items to take away my I traded spell slots for like or no I traded cantro

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because my list of cantro was ridiculously long I was like I don't want these can I trade them for something else and I was like trading spell slots for like different abilities just because I was like I have too many of them I need to get rid of them

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so if you're looking for just sheer number of spell slots you know that's a build that you can definitely look at yeah it's a little annoying but you certainly can also you could just be a wizard if you really want that many

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spell slots and abilities right but instead of having to do like the math with multi-classing into sorcerer and warlock to achieve what the wizard already does by itself I took okay to be fair I also took that multi-class for flavor reasons yeah for flavor reasons

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but also the mechanical if I can see this is where I think a lot of times the the like the result is cool but then considering that a lot of the results are just what a regular class could do if you mainline it correct that's for multi-classing gets a little like

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but like why would you because it's like I could multi-class fighter and rogue to do some really funny this is a hot take but I could multi-class fighter and rogue to get like a really cool sick ranged ability ranged weapon build or I could just mainline ranger and get all of the feats that I need or

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or artifice or and just have a gun yeah like yeah maybe I can do sneak attack damage and I can take more than one hit but like or one one attack a turn but like also way why it's definitely one of those things and a lot of the time that you see people talking about like multi-classing when it

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comes to like broken builds and stuff like that is for one specific combo it's a single feature it's always to have a single feature which is great but like I like multi-classing and I lean towards multi-classing because I like my characters to be decent at several things as opposed to just really really good at one thing

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I like like in the character I'm currently playing I was I wanted to take one of these basically features that would allow me to use a DA for my unarmed strike and Robert was like why the fuck would you do that she's not a martial character

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she's never been within like 10 feet of anyone in any combat it's not helpful she hit people yeah but I liked the idea of being able to have like okay well if I'm in this situation I've got this which fits the character but it's also to a point where I was like cutting back I mean like okay I need to think a little bit

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more mechanical so I'm able to make a comprehensive build because it doesn't make sense for me to play a fuck it this is not an example of what the character was but like if I'm playing a barbarian I can't hold concentration while I'm in rage so cool I can buff myself up with all these spells

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and then lose it the second you go to use your main class feature yeah I use rage and if you're a barbarian and you're not using rage what are you doing barbarian munk combo would be fun just because you could reckless attack and then just start your chain because it's all about how many attacks you land

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which are opening hit the other things to consider to is like some depending on how many levels you put in the classes you might fuck yourself like if you decide to take barbarian and let's say any other classic and like hit people but you don't have an inherently high C high AC you're going to put yourself in a disadvantage of reckless attack and then end up getting fucking hit guaranteed because you have a 13 AC

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yeah yes you can take two attacks and yes you can rage but also you don't have the AC or the hit points to get hit because you have two levels in barbarian I think that's one of the things 5E did very well is like it is it balances you to a point where it's like cool you can't I mean definitely it

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could feel like it but most of the time that's just because you have built and multi class into four or five fucking different classes and you're only getting like a level or two in each just to do this one thing and it's like cool that's great but like I could just try and get a magical item that could do the same thing

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5th edition tries to scale the difficulty of the world when you hit certain milestones at levels so like the reason why you have to be really careful when you multi class at level five is because the the kinds of monsters that you are fighting around the fifth level as a party

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there's a sharp increase in difficulty from four to five and if you do not have that ability increase or really important class feature if you've just been digging around another levels chances are you're going to be fucked when your other teammates have five levels in one class and you can't do shit with your two classes because you're level two and level three

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I don't think that you should be able to add I don't know if this is a rule but I personally don't think you should be able to multi class until you hit a lot of rule you can multi class into a different class all the way up until the fifth level so you go one and row level two one and

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wizard level three one and paladin like you can do that that's stupid it's an option all all 20 levels could be put in in the random classes you roll a dice I think as a rule you need at least five levels and something this is why I don't start people at anything below the third level

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though because starting at level one unless you're doing it for story reasons is just so it's garbage fucking exhausting you have zero abilities zero features there's nothing fun about the class that you are every fight feels like cool it is it is a game of who hits who first

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because level one level one party fights truly are a role of the dice more than anything because you don't have any features to like change roles there's no you're not getting advantage on fuck all unless you manage to get surprise or flank somebody which could look with that

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and that level one that's crazy I mean hey some people do it but like it yeah it's just level one is absolutely a garbage level to start at and I'm sure some DMs disagree with that but I think if three is baseline I like to start at five myself I think five is a really great place to be because you

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get your subclass and you get a couple of extra features you have your ability increase you have your fifth level things also fifth level comes with a lot of really fun upticks and damage like you get access to fireball all sorts of fun class stuff at fifth level

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when you start to see like the big difference and like you definitely see like a there's a sharp difference between classes in level one because if you're having a barbarian and even using fucking sparrow and Eva who are the characters that we play and our little one shot that we built last season

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seeing the difference in their levels of health and their levels of like usefulness in combat even at level three was fucking insane because let me tell you I was not doing jack shit so many fucking hits them or the entire

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campaign and it was me realizing oh cool a sorcerer is really fun to play in a either a large party where there's multiple people were alternatively when they're a little bit of a higher level so they can do things because right now I am dead fucking wait and the fighter over here is kicking ass because you don't need to

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like yeah you don't need to do anything else but hit people man yeah like there's certain class where it's like cool hands and the hands get better as you get higher but also like you could still fucking punch things at the first

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level you have a higher hit dice you have generally higher AC like you just you don't have to worry about a lot of the lower level bullshit when you pick a more martial martial incline class because you know the row fifth edition were like hey if they're going to be fighting people then maybe we should give them the health in the AC to fight people which is great and it's also a

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thing of like when you're playing a spell casting class a lot of the time the appeal to that is like oh I'm going to get to do so many cool things later in your things are constantly changing and changing and changing as opposed to martial classes which they're less like dramatic increases or like

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access to I suddenly now have this thing that I can do that's a game changer it's a lot of time it's like slightly improving things that you can already do and then just making them better as opposed to like a spell casting class where it's like

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multiple times and now you get advantage on that first hit yeah versus sorcerer is now like cool you have access to six new spells that's not a real thing but like it there's a there's a steep difference there yeah

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I think it'd be a user a website pretty often I'm sure I've shouted out in pretty previous episodes but it's RPG you're RPG bot net yeah it's absolutely fantastic I don't know who runs this site or who does all of the typing and the writing but shout out to them because I have used this for so many things they rank character classes

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so nice they rank subclasses they rank spells for those classes and subclasses they rank features they walk you through how to make certain builds and like what like what decisions to make

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so like my research for this episode is a mix between RPG bot and then just straight up reading the player's handbook anyways towards the bottom of their page they have some example builds of different classes multi-classing into different levels and I was just going to read through a couple of those to give you all some examples of what that can look like because I don't really multi-class a lot often

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I have a list of fun multi-classes that I'll do after and those are better

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so when you start with Artificer for those unfamiliar with what an Artificer does they build things and they use objects you can turn objects non-magical objects into magical objects they're also really famous for using basically guns in just about any setting

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it might not be labeled a gun it might not be able to do as much damage as a regular gun but it's a gun and if they don't have one they can build one some DMs and some rules in different universes like guns are like super rare and like the gunpowder is like impossible to make without like dragons

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there are some settings where you're not getting a gun and DMs are just getting that's just the way the universe is but then there are others where it's like everyone has a gun everyone has a small gun or at least an Artificer who's a whole class or a whole build of the character is to make a gun

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I'll let you do it

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but I think this first one is fun which is one level in fighter and then any levels in Artificer so starting with level in fighter gets you heavy armor without giving up efficiency in constitution saves and then Artificer classes don't already have heavy armor so that boost your AC by a shit ton it also reduces your need to rely on dexterity

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so that's just kind of like a fun way to make yourself healthier is a martial class without actually having to do like any of the dexterity stuff because generally if you're a fighter your AC is going to come from

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it's going to come from your dexterity so you can actually like take the fun stuff in Artificer without having to get cut and put a lot of bunch of useless ass levels into

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dexterity right so like basically what that looks like to me or what that translate is is you want to be a healthy dwarf who doesn't actually want to have to run from the fight but still wants to be an Artificer you don't have to worry about your initial AC in the beginning which means you also don't have to be fast you can just sit in the back and you can fucking build mortars or I don't know hit people to hammer as they do whatever you want

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this next one is at three levels in in thief the rogue subclass and then our rogues sorry rogue class thief subclass and then Artificer what that gives you is the ability called fast hands which allows you to use an object as a bonus action

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I mentioned earlier that the one of the fun things that Artificers like to do is interact with objects that's like 99% of what they do so you're just going to speed run your abilities so you Artificer so what would normally just be one action as an Artificer interacting with one object you now functionally have to

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which is so much better yeah essentially like having that the extra attack is as a fighter or as a barbarian but now you get it as an Artificer because you're you're able to attack with those objects that you're interacting with

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yeah yep yep yep what else we got here so then barbarian example built so this one is rogues the subclass assassin three levels in that and then any number of levels and barbarian so assassins assassinate feature basically works really well brutal critical which basically makes your

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critical hits a lot heavier and a lot harder and then assassinate allows you to get into those criticals easier and basically just allows you to like you can improve your initiative roles this way you can capitalize on stealth so putting those like three levels into rogue basically allows you to really increase your chances of actually landing that critical hit in the beginning of the fight which is usually when you want to do them

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I mean it's great if you get it like at the end of a combat encounter but being able to add on sneak attack damage and get stealth surprise and improve your initiative roles and hit with advantage and be harder to hit because of dexterity you're a goochie and you're a barbarian so like ideally you don't get hit a lot because you're hitting harder than other people so now you're a rogue that can take different features that also allows you to not get hit like being able to roll half on anything and then just

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take half damage yeah that's insane that feature pisses me off to absolute I know how much it pisses you off because you could fireball a room and a roguelgo actually know fuck you I take half damage guaranteed and if I beat this role I take zero damage instead are you telling me that the fireball in the room doesn't hit you because you're a rogue

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that is the crazy part to be that should prerequisite for not getting hit by a fucking aoe spell of it's a rope and it's like cool you're in a room that is the same size as fireball basically so it feels like a nuke is going off and just trying to also figure out like flavor wise how the fuck are you what are you doing that this is not happening to you

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explain that to me give me a good explanation there because you being like oh I fade into the shadows cool there are none you are in a small room my guy

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literally like it doesn't make any fucking sense um clerics I highly recommend multi-classing and I'm not really going to go through a lot of the examples clerics by themselves aren't particularly that strong um in my opinion like they're they're great because they have access to things like Divine Smite um in different versions of smite which are not nearly as powerful as paladins but they have a smaller version of it what they excel at is healing people but if you're not in a party where healing people is super important

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even some of your other subclasses that aren't focused on healing people kind of fucking suck because there's only one thing that they're good at but multi-classing and to literally anything else gives you a little bit extra shit that you can do with your spells

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I also think it's a very fun way to lend itself like uh because almost every single class for the most part has like several of the same things where it's like cool it's the devil one and then it's the divine one and the holy one and like I think just flavor wise it would be fun to do something kind of like um building a divine soul uh sorcerer with like a cleric of light or something like that just for flavor purposes I don't know the actual mechanics of that I think I've looked into cleric and sorcerer and it's actually

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not that good um also another thing you can definitely think about multi-classing cleric and paladin but it's why though it's awful why you're gonna have a bad time it's basically just gonna tank both of the things that you could do in either of those classes that are good and it's you're just gonna be unable to do all of them

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so cleric is gonna be wisdom and um oh my god what wisdom and charisma no it's not charisma for what paladins cleric for cleric it's wisdom like it's just with oh it's just wisdom cool so cleric you're gonna get wisdom and then paladin you get to choose between strength or charisma and that's three different spell casting abilities

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so you're just kind of fucked there because if you're trying to optimize you kind of want to like dump stat and the way I play is I try and get and a lot of people play this way of like trying to get your main stat up to fucking 20 as fast as possible

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you can't do that if you're working with multiple spell casting like like abilities or whatever the fuck um because you're gonna be spread so thin that you're not gonna be as um powerful and as capable as someone with a 20 in their individual

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there are a couple of just kind of googling on the internet there are a few other more like classic combinations so like we mentioned earlier like Madison mentioned earlier Barbarian fighters very popular multi-class option

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they pair together super well because they rely on the same ability scores and often times the same combat strategies they both really benefit from high strength and high constitution scores

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and typically have a bigger focus on melee combat that's not always the case with bards but like why the fuck not

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yeah and then of course just having access to reckless attack is any class period is incredibly hard to pass up

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it's good like no matter who the fuck you are and then you can get action surge and bonus rage damage and then it's just like it's fucking crazy man like the things you can do with Barbarian and fighters are crazy

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you can action surge and then reckless attack and then also be in rage that whole time so you can just fucking crit constantly or at least have like a 19-20% chance to crit for basically three different hits

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because you can take your basic attack one two action surge take another one two and then you can reckless one of those be in rage for all of it and just advantage advantage advantage advantage advantage fucking nuts

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oh it's it's insane

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the only issue is that you can't use heavy armor while you're in rage that's the that's the feature that you would be swapping out there so it means that you have a harder time getting or an easier time getting hit

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but the idea behind the barbarian fighter combo is that you don't get hit because the people that you're hitting typically go down before you do

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yeah you just hit them four times with like 2d12

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yeah and is one of those things of like any time that you're multi-classing with a barbarian

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rage kind of rage is so good and it fucks up everything else

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yeah rage is very much one of those things were like it is the ultimate class feature in the most notable thing about barbarians always will be but like also is very hard to work around as any other class that uses any kind of spell casting in particular because you fucking can't

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yeah it's and then the inability to use heavy armor and everything which makes sense because also you shouldn't be a literal tank like you're already playing the role of tank and just heavily armoring yourself like

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there's another if you're going for like an ultimate tank build barbarian and druid specifically pathotodem armor subclass and then the druid circle of the moon subclass to basically allow you to wild shape and then take spells like bark skin which makes your base AC 16

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and then you got all those other fun benefits from being a barbarian and a druid and you essentially have the ultimate like damage mitigation character period like fucking a paladin you could be a druid barbarian and then wild shape and have resistance to basically every damage type while also having an AC of like 18 or 19

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you might not be doing a whole lot of damage because you're going to be casting spells as opposed to going into rage but who the fuck needs to do that when you have a party to spellcasters behind you and you're only job is to stand in front and have

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basically 90 health with mother fuckers having 90 health with an AC of 18 and resistance to every damage type minus psychic

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like you could basically just stand there like every combat and do nothing like if you really want to know

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like legitimately it's just like cool try

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yeah it's like that's really cute you thought you could hit me but you can't but you can't and it's not even because I'm fast it's because my skin is so fucking thick and my skull is so large you can't touch me

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it's like I am physically and like I am I am a wall a literal wall in that you were get fucked you were get fucked

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so you have one you'd like to talk about

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yeah I was about to I'm going to kind of start interjecting my own in between these

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I'm going to share some characters that I personally built and played and why I enjoyed them the characters that I said that I played was a straight rogue

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originally I had her multi class and then I ended up scrapping that big like no fucking I'll play just a rogue mistake so her original build was a warlock of the deeper battle less warlock or whatever the fuck the one the ocean one is and then she was a swashbuckler rogue

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and I don't have all of the stuff written down but it was also for flavor reasons which was she died at sea came back swashbuckler is like a subclass of fighter in a lot of cases by the way

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sometimes it's its own class there's a subclass of it in fifth edition

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yes I just took the rogue option because I don't fucking know that's what I went with

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I don't know I did it I'm not sure why I did it

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it was a choice I made for sure but that was once again for mechanical purpose or flavor purpose because I Davey Jones was her patron because she died at sea and got brought back to life in a like a fucked up way she was a reborn

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and so being able to stack also because I take with my multi class because I love coming up with fun character builds I oftentimes do take the race into the builds with one of my favorite ones that I've done semi recently which was this character named

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Harmony she was a protector as a mar and was three levels in paladin oath of devotion and seven levels in bard of whispers

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fun fact when you multi class with paladin or multi class in general you don't have to tell other people at your table what your multi class stands so this is the one that everyone was like oh she's a paladin

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and she introduced herself as a paladin and the very first thing that she did in the session was a bard ability which was mantle of whispers which is when a humanoid dies the 30 feet of you you could magically capture its shadow

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and everyone went the fuck kind of paladin are you as it was described that it looks like she ate someone's soul but the reason I really like kind of like building these together

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one having any levels of like paladin with an asmar you already are going to be getting some base level healing with an a playing an asmar with healing hands

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but then you're basically just able to like stack all of these all of these things together and one of the things with paladins is you get smites which are fucking great

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but you have a limited number because you only have so many spell slots so anytime that you're taking levels into another spell casting class

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you're going to and once again I don't know if this is really in the rules but like we had whole conversations about it when I played my first character and she multi classed

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and I had like in depth conversation with Robert of trying to figure out how the fuck multi classing worked and I was like do I have to keep my like warlock spells my sorcerer spells different and I'm not allowed to cast

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like do I still know the spells and I can cast them using different spell slots and blah blah blah so I basically having so many levels in part I had a lot more spell slots and I could just smite like a motherfucker

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because technically you can use like any of your or I don't know if it's specifically paladin spell slots but once again that could be something that I could get checked on but this is the way that we played it at the table and then I was allowed to do it so it's also up to your individual dm

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because sometimes you get to say fuck the rules to do something cool but there was just a bunch of fun like things that I could do I could hit things and then I could also have like spells that could do kind of fucked up things

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and it was also mechanical thing because I wanted her to be like a very evil little fucked up girly and Bart of Whispers is a great option for that

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Bart of Whispers is a fantastic option for that

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my other one and I'm not gonna go through like all of the things that she could do just because by the time we ended up where this character was at the end it was just so much I'm not gonna bore anyone with it

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but was that character I've talked about that I played previously talked better in the podcast on several episodes named Magnolia

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once again this was a multi class that I kind of took for flavor text I was like cool we're gonna multi class this she's a wild magic sorcerer main and she finds out that she has like half the soul of your mingunder the world serpent

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I end up killing myself and then I come back to life and I was like hey I'd like to kind of like I originally it was a rogue multi class and I was like I'm not really fucking with that can I take warlock and have the patron be your mingunder

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and it was like cool that makes mechanical or like flavor text sense but it was a lot of fun mostly because of the spells the having the sorcery points and being able to convert some of these spell slots that I got into sorcery points

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yeah so fun fact sorcerer warlock multi class is fucking memed by a lot of people in the community because it is game breaking

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it is because you essentially having your infinite number of spell slots which means it's just one person taking an incredibly long time because they can cast whatever spell they want as many times as they want

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there's no limit on how fast or how short a spell has like there's so many fucking things you can do with the warlock sorcerer build and it's just kind of an eye roll sometimes because it's broken

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like why do anything else it's be anybody else it may be for the character but also bear in mind if you're doing a sorcerer warlock build you have to be a very specific type of person and I don't mean as a player I mean like as the character you're playing because I can tell you right now they're not a good person

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yeah most likely not like your character is built inherently to be selfish because cool guess what you can do with both of those classes you're not going to have a lot of healing or any like really support like if like a lot of the times those classes are not support blending

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so all the stuff is going to be for yourself which is great if you're playing like a more selfish way but being able to use those sorcery points and be like cool I'm going to like fucking twin spell or I'm going to empower spell or quick end and just do fucking spell after spell after spell

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and then you also get to use those on much higher levels because of the warlock thing it's like cool well I went from having like this many or I think at the end she was level 15 and I can't remember what the actual breakdown was I have it written down somewhere else I have it written down my phone

269
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,000
if you want to complain about that class again for two seconds

270
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,000
yeah I was going to talk about a different combination really quick

271
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
oh wait I found it

272
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:35,000
yeah it's okay it's okay you'll be here you're not going anywhere Ranger Rogue is also a really fun one because you basically get to take advantage of all the dexterity based stuff

273
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:52,000
it's also one of the easiest ways to actually make the Ranger class useful beyond being able to do like things at range so fun fact the Rogue has just as many features and capabilities of being excellent in ranged combat as the Ranger does

274
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:58,000
but the difference is you could keep all the fun things that a rogue gets access to with none of the dumb shit that Rangers have

275
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,000
yeah

276
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:07,000
so pairing several things together hunters mark which gives you an advantage on a specific enemy sneak attack which obviously gives you a shit ton of extra dice

277
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:16,000
and then using different fighting styles essentially every time you hit somebody with a ranged attack if it's your preferred target you are rolling a fist full of dice and it's all damage

278
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000
yeah Rogue is a good

279
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,000
and it's with advantage

280
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:33,000
I think in terms of like the two best classes to mold if you're going to like play character maybe take even like one to two levels in like either warlock or Rogue I think is almost always beneficial or at least it's always beneficial for me

281
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000
yeah somebody likes to do damage

282
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
yeah

283
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000
yeah

284
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,000
I love damage

285
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,000
yeah we know we know

286
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,000
anything else

287
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:52,000
anyway I found that it was a 13 levels in sorcerer and five levels in warlock specifically great old one warlock and wild magic sorcerer it was very fun

288
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,000
super fun to interact with this damn

289
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:10,000
it was also one of the fun things was from the warlock thing I could tell it pathically communicate with any creature within 30 feet of me and then also that's like a fun thing to yell when you have a wild magic surge of being like cool I guess I got like five fucking seconds to tell everyone around me what's happening before I like

290
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,000
either bounce or everyone gets fucked or whatever the fuck happens

291
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,000
I thought you were

292
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,000
do you have anything else

293
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,000
I mean I feel like I'm in fucking time out right now

294
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:33,000
no you're not in time out you know in time out and just this is probably going to be a shorter episode than our other ones because I don't really see where else we go from here

295
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,000
no that's fair

296
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,000
I thought

297
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,000
I think we could build a

298
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,000
that was my thought is that maybe we take our two characters into the multi-classing area

299
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,000
yeah

300
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:48,000
we could do that just kind of give them an example walk them through even sparrows thing

301
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,000
should I multi-class our into warlock as we were just talking about

302
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,000
I see we're cutting this part

303
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,000
yeah no we'll cut this part

304
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,000
do you want me to go ahead and hit the button

305
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,000
yeah just so I have a better idea of where this happens I mean

306
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:09,000
there's a pretty big gap in there where we stop talking but I mean whatever you want to multi-class into it's really we're not going to be playing with these characters for at least another few episodes so

307
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,000
I know I just didn't think about

308
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000
what I want to do for her

309
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,000
I don't have time we're only about a half way through how much time I allotted for this so

310
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,000
okay then I'll probably take a second to take what I want to multi-class into

311
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,000
mm-hmm

312
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,000
mm-hmm

313
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,000
mm-hmm

314
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,000
mm-hmm

315
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,000
mm-hmm

316
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,000
mm-hmm

317
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,000
mm-hmm

318
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,000
mm-hmm

319
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,000
mm-hmm

320
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,000
tchuh tchuh tchuh tchuh

321
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
I'm just sourcing it out of there

322
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,000
get three levels of room for just some class

323
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,000
mm-hmm

324
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,000
yeah just all the taxis being used to you and it isn't taking a turn in common yet

325
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,000
and importantly though it also turns out there's a sense of tax what the fuck

326
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
tchuh tchuh

327
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000
I'm just sourcing it out since we were 14 but

328
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,000
heh heh heh

329
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,000
okay

330
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,000
okay

331
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,000
reading this list

332
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,000
what I was looking for is like two good things to multi-class sorcery and two

333
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,000
um

334
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,000
number 12

335
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,000
barbarians shut down sorcerers spell casting which is terrible

336
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000
benefits of barbarian sorcerers

337
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,000
barbarians with this physical damage while raging

338
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,000
it can make memorable roleplay for non-serious characters

339
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,000
hell yeah it does

340
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,000
do you just want to take them up to five do you want to take them up to ten

341
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:46,000
I mean I just went on a rant talking about how you shouldn't multi-class until you hit five

342
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,000
so maybe like

343
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:53,000
I'll be good to take them up to even number or we can take them up to about number I can say we can do seven

344
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,000
interesting let me do eight

345
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
benefits of roach sorcerer multi-class

346
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,000
cutting action to boost the sorcerers survivability

347
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,000
yep it means you're not going to get constantly kerfucked

348
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000
every combat

349
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
yeah pretty much man

350
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,000
also rocking with a god damn d6

351
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,000
d10 man I'm not going to d10 over here

352
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000
fucking good for you

353
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,000
he was a big bitch man what can I say

354
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,000
now we multi-class baby

355
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000
now I'm rolling with 5d10 and 1d12

356
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
this fucks

357
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
god this fucks

358
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
oh this fucks

359
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
this is crazy

360
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,000
I'm doing fighter barbarian

361
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
so maybe pick something that like

362
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000
you know something different just so they get like

363
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,000
four different

364
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,000
oh tracery cleric

365
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,000
that seems odd that seems

366
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,000
no because I just realized

367
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
she's going to get compared to fucking jester for critical roll

368
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,000
because she's at pink teeth length

369
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,000
and this was going to be a protector of elix

370
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000
god damn it

371
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,000
how close does that have to have a further more danger since elaxia

372
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,000
this was at the farthest of the weakness next to her baby

373
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,000
I'm going to play this one

374
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,000
because 1d class is always the fighter's ability to use

375
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
that's

376
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,000
I want pallidin but that just doesn't make sense

377
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000
I think I got to take battle rager to get

378
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,000
reckless attack

379
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,000
I feel like I have to do war like it's just the best thing for multi-class sorcerer with

380
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,000
totem no I don't need totem

381
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,000
I don't need some berserk

382
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,000
I don't need to use the

383
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,000
I don't need to use the

384
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,000
I don't need to use the

385
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000
I don't need to use the berserk or the pallid

386
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
I don't know what the difference is

387
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000
I don't know

388
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:24,000
what the difference is

389
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000
I don't know

390
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,000
I don't know

391
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,000
I don't know

392
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
I don't know

393
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000
that's fun

394
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000
that's fun

395
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,000
that's fun

396
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
that's fun

397
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000
that's fun

398
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,000
that's fun

399
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,000
I

400
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000
I think we also

401
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
I

402
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,320
I was gonna say I don't think you long rested

403
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:52,440
yeah you sure did

404
00:53:52,440 --> 00:54:06,200
yeah it's okay though

405
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:35,160
I don't know what fucking paladin that sparrow is

406
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,160
uh I mean I probably warlock if I had to choose

407
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:46,440
that's the issue I'm running into is now I've made it this character already has personality

408
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:53,720
it doesn't make sense to her to be paladin yeah maybe that's her arc becoming a good person

409
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,800
I didn't even mean that way I just meant she's very non-martial

410
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:04,840
and the like and the fucking so unless uh Eva is taking some fucking spells

411
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,720
no no it's fighter and barbarian dogs what do you mean spells

412
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:21,800
yeah you're welcome oh I did nine fuck me

413
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,080
just going to ten fuck it

414
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:30,280
going to ten

415
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:40,360
oh boy so many fun things I can rage

416
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,080
this is fun three damage on successful grapple

417
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,520
advantage on deck saves versus anything I can see

418
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:01,960
advantage on strength based melee attack by granting advantage to attacks against me so

419
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:08,200
I can reckless attack I can't do I had my con mod to my ac when I'm not wearing armor

420
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:15,800
twice a day advantage on strength checks and saves teal damage oh that's so nice

421
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:22,200
two attacks grappling oh my god this character be so fucking fun to play I would never lose

422
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:29,560
uh I would never fucking lose I just wouldn't be able to use any of her ranged abilities which

423
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,600
is fine it means I would have to go back and change her subclass as a fighter

424
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:44,440
yeah the oras are nuts the oras are nuts yeah

425
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,320
yeah I wouldn't get it because I'm not going to be at level seven but

426
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,680
the oras are fucking crazy dude

427
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,640
why are why are paladins like that why are there no paladins that are just a little bit chill

428
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:08,760
where's the oath of having a good time nope why is it all gotta be that much

429
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,760
it's a very serious business being a paladin

430
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,760
I don't want that

431
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,520
it's a very serious business

432
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:29,000
uição

433
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:52,600
anger

434
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:58,360
two

435
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:10,540
I'm only nine off for my max hit points is crazy

436
00:58:10,540 --> 00:58:18,280
I have a 19 strength of 16 and decks of 14 and constitution and 12 and intelligence attendant wisdom and an eight and charisma

437
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,780
Wow

438
00:58:20,780 --> 00:58:23,520
that's like almost up by 200 score

439
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,720
8 10 12 14 16 and I fucked it up with a 19

440
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,720
I feel like I gotta do arch bay for warlock

441
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:35,720
mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm

442
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:40,720
I have a plus three to my intimidation rolls but a minus one to everything else in charisma

443
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:48,720
minus one deception minus one performance minus one persuasion minus one charisma but a plus three to intimidation

444
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,720
I love does he even do a performance check

445
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,720
one plus five to nature for some reason

446
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,720
explain me how performance check was easily done

447
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,720
it wouldn't it wouldn't it's what she's in minus one

448
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,720
it wouldn't have a plus nine to hit with any of my weapons though

449
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,720
not

450
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,720
I don't have 50% chance to hit anything

451
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,720
ah

452
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,720
should I do fiend or arch bay, do you like arch bay if it's better

453
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,720
sure you can do arch bay

454
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:28,720
I'm asking for opinion not permission but I appreciate it

455
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,720
it's so much

456
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:54,720
no one listens closely enough I could lie in between episodes correct

457
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,720
don't remake the whole fucking character

458
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,720
no I prefer to take pieces instead of ability increases

459
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,720
but I don't feel like looking through all the pieces right now

460
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,720
so

461
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,720
then just lie

462
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,720
cool

463
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,720
come

464
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:40,720
get your shit over with

465
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,720
five and five

466
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,720
how ever you want to do it buddy

467
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,720
however you want to do it buddy

468
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,720
I hit my five so I'd get my class features and my ability score ups

469
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:22,720
just dumped all the other levels into the other class

470
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:42,720
I'm gonna have her be packed of the blade so like maybe she can hit things

471
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:52,720
and that's also why I didn't want to be fucking Marshall because he made that decision with the characters

472
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,720
it's gonna be no other magical weapon you've ever seen

473
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,720
she's gonna stab with mage hands

474
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,720
I want you to know that

475
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:13,720
I'm a mage armor expert

476
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,720
get shit on

477
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,720
she can't come up and start giving advice on things I was already doing

478
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,720
nah

479
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,720
evil with this blade

480
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,720
no

481
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,720
I said you're gonna get bigger to live longer and that's exactly what she did

482
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,720
the fuck it is

483
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,720
Sparrow started eating some fucking lean beef patties man

484
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:36,720
she did

485
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,720
she started bulking up

486
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,720
what is my cut oh fuck

487
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:58,720
nah

488
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,720
she ain't gonna get up so much

489
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,720
what are you doing there

490
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,720
shit

491
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,720
what do you hate me Marshall

492
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,720
why should you hate me

493
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,720
I don't have an issue with you

494
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:18,720
your beef seems to be with me man I don't have any with you

495
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,720
you're the one going eat shit

496
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:43,720
you

497
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:53,720
you

498
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,720
I don't know how good they are

499
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,720
but we've committed

500
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,720
and I have shit written down

501
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,720
hell yeah commitment things on the

502
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,720
app or paper whatever the fuck

503
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:07,720
app

504
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,720
roomie app

505
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,720
things on the app

506
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,720
you

507
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,720
you

508
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,720
he was gonna get so fucked

509
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:22,720
I've got so many area of effect charm things that you have to roll out of

510
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,720
the bitch is standing next to me

511
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:30,720
I don't think you broke your fuck if any of those go sideways and she ends up having to hit you instead

512
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,720
why the fuck would she be hitting me

513
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,720
she's not a very intelligent character

514
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,720
I'm aware I'm so

515
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,720
I'm so I'm saying what's her intelligence

516
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:43,720
that's 10

517
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:44,720
she's not that stupid

518
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,720
10 is average

519
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,720
look at mine

520
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,720
interesting

521
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:57,720
I started with a 20 and

522
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,720
well fucking min maxras

523
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,720
no I fucking roll dipshit

524
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,720
well min maxras I know I got stuck with fucking

525
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,720
point by bitch

526
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,720
min max and I still do better than you in combat

527
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,720
I'm playing a spellcaster

528
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,720
shit of your stats

529
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,720
that's crazy

530
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,720
it doesn't matter

531
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,720
crazy dog crazy

532
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,720
I hope you genuinely eat shit a little bit

533
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,720
don't have an disadvantage for the reason of reason of reason tags

534
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,720
I can look crossbows faster at bonus action

535
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:30,720
I can't crossbows

536
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:37,720
that's cool

537
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,720
four five one more level up

538
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,720
Barbarian

539
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,720
my elder's blast is gonna be great

540
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,720
alright you ready

541
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,720
yeah I can be like two seconds

542
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,720
one

543
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,720
two

544
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,720
so fucking funny

545
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,720
one

546
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,720
two

547
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,720
um yeah

548
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,720
you wanna try again

549
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:15,720
no

550
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:16,720
you wanna try again

551
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:17,720
no

552
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,720
go ahead try again

553
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,720
I'm so fucking tired from it

554
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:22,720
go ahead max try again

555
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:23,720
I'm so early

556
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:28,720
okay that one's fully on you

557
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:29,720
try again

558
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,720
so now we're gonna talk about

559
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,720
how we would multi-class eba and sparrow which are our characters that we made

560
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,720
forever ago in our season one finale

561
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,720
well we made them before that but we played them in our season one finale

562
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,720
and more than just like a combat breakdown so

563
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,720
a quick TLDR eba is a fighter

564
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,720
Goliath who specializes in ranged combat

565
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,720
but is also sort of an expert at using any kind of weapon

566
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,720
she's based loosely off of the character abbey from last of us

567
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,720
her name is abbey but backwards

568
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,720
it is abbey but backwards but boy does it fucking work

569
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,720
she's huge she has a military background so she's very like soldier forward

570
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,720
in combat focused there was a lot of banter between the two of them about like

571
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:20,720
getting bigger in surviving and you'll be pleasantly surprised to hear that

572
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,720
sparrow took all of her suggestions to heart

573
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,720
and now excellent at surviving

574
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,720
what is sparrow like

575
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,720
sparrow is a pink tiefling wild magic sorcerer

576
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,720
she's a kind of like a robin hoodie type kind of like a dashing rogue

577
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,720
not like the class rogue but like the character archetype

578
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,720
very like devil make hair never tell me the odds

579
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,720
I'm in this for the gold I'm a little bit of a con artist

580
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:52,720
she has a I see Madison play this exact character several times

581
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,720
it's a fun trope and I play them in different flavors

582
01:07:55,720 --> 01:08:00,720
okay you can't say like sparrow is objectively a good person

583
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,720
is a little bit more like the robin hoodie magnolia was just a bitch

584
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,720
and there was a difference there yeah yeah yeah

585
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,720
do they have the same bills now

586
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,720
uh huh yes but I'm not but but I debated it

587
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,720
and it was just mechanically the best choice make but anyway sparrow has

588
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:21,720
a fun back and forth with Eva where Eva likes to think that she's telling sparrow

589
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,720
how to survive and uh sparrow is like I'm a full grown adult who has been

590
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:30,720
on the run from the law for years I know what I know you were telling me things I already know

591
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,720
and then sparrow gets finessed in combat and then Eva has to come and save her life

592
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,720
or the life of a civilian that she almost lets to hide

593
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,720
and she has better stats than Eva by like a fucking mile

594
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:50,720
seven eight ten twelve immediately got charred eight ten twelve fourteen fifteen eighteen

595
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,720
eight twelve fourteen fifteen eighteen you have a fucking twenty

596
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,720
you don't have anything below thirteen you would have died

597
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,720
it's so would you so would you

598
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:06,720
you fail like four checks in the opening monologue to save civilians

599
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,720
that was fine they were fine

600
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,720
three people die yeah well

601
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:17,720
what what who carried fucking sparrows ass in the combat one shot we did

602
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,720
you were down for the last three turns of combat

603
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,720
I'm like a god damn third level sorcerer

604
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,720
who got charmed who got charmed

605
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,720
who actually lives longer than two rounds of combat when they get hit

606
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,720
who lives longer who lives longer who lives longer

607
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,720
but you know I'm not going ease on Eva I'm throwing her into combat because it's what she's good at

608
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:43,720
not my fault you suck oh my god I'll kick your ass it's not my fault

609
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,720
I will kick your ass in real life it's not my fault

610
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,720
roll initiative motherfucker let's go

611
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:53,720
anyway we will be classed up to level ten so I did a real simple build with Eva she was

612
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,720
being the spike in the volume on the she was a level three ranger with a specialization

613
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,720
arranged combat because Abby from the last of us is good at two things hitting people

614
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,720
and shooting people so I wanted to do the same kind of build

615
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,720
so I had three levels of fighter and then I took her up to fighter level five

616
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,720
just to get that ability score increase which I threw into strength because it's the shared

617
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:21,720
between barbarian and fighter and then I dumped five more points into barbarian up to level ten

618
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:27,720
so at the third level for subclass I chose battle ranger which is not everyone's favorite subclass

619
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:32,720
especially on rpgbot.net but it's the one that made sense for the characters that's the one I fucking chose

620
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:37,720
it revolves around having advantages while wearing something called spiked armor but also rage

621
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:43,720
cucks you out of using certain kinds of armor so whatever

622
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:51,720
but now I can reckless attack I also have two attacks and then for a feature that I took instead of an ability increase at the tenth level

623
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:56,720
or no it was at the eighth level I took a feature from

624
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:02,720
well I don't have as hard of a time picking through the list as somebody else does so anyways

625
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,720
I picked a feature that allows her to use her crossbow as a bonus action

626
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:10,720
after and allows her to fire with it after making an attack with a one handed weapon

627
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,720
so functionally what this looks like is she can take a swing with her little battle hammer at one person

628
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:20,720
and do like 1d8 and then immediately fire at another motherfucker across the room with a crossbow

629
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:25,720
which works so well for a character who in a video game does that exact thing

630
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,720
so I got really good at that

631
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:33,720
I'm also HP is 103 which is 7 off of the max I could have I have 5d10s and 5d12s

632
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:39,720
again my scores are not nearly as good as Sparrows but I don't really give a fuck

633
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:45,720
fun thing about Ibo she is not very charismatic she has a minus one in every single thing charisma based

634
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:50,720
except for intimidation where she gets her Provision Z bonus and she has a plus three

635
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:57,720
so she has a minus one to deception performance and persuasion and charisma checks in general but a plus three to intimidation

636
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:05,720
if you played the game you're very very well aware of how this works because that's exactly the fucking say way it happens in the video game

637
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:06,720
loosely based

638
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,720
loosely based indeed baby

639
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:09,720
it's not loosely based

640
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,720
I could have made her a human instead

641
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,720
I don't care I guess

642
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:14,720
loosely based

643
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:15,720
loosely based

644
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:21,720
see there's any other fun things that did so with my fighting style being archery as well I have plus two with my ranged weapons

645
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,720
so it means that hitting that crossbow shot is going to be a lot easier

646
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:30,720
and then because I have fighter I have superiority dice so I can burn those into doing a number of different things

647
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:36,720
grappling because she's very large and she's also going to do damage on a successful grapple

648
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,720
three specifically as long as she's not wearing heavy armor her speed is also going to get upped by 10 feet

649
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:48,720
so I can move to get those those multiple attacks which is really nice because you can break those up you don't have to do them all in the same place

650
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:53,720
and then my AC goes way the fuck up because I get to add my con mod whenever I'm not wearing armor

651
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,720
so if I'm just wearing no armor

652
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:02,720
and just like a loose garb which is kind of how the game works as well she's just wearing like military garb which is basically a shirt and a jacket

653
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:07,720
I get to move an extra 10 feet and my AC goes up without having to take any disadvantage to anything else

654
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:12,720
which is pretty nice if you ask me and I can rage up to three times

655
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,720
so I can also do the rage multiple attack

656
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:21,720
reckless attack and then still do the crossbow and the one handed stuff so

657
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,720
I built her very very basic

658
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:31,720
not a particularly like crazy or outrageous multi-class thing really I could have just put three into barbarian or three into fighter and then put the rest into the other classes

659
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,720
because really I only needed to get the subclass features of one or the other

660
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,720
but you know when I doubt middle it out she's martial all the way around

661
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,720
the only reason I really want to barbarian was to get that extra bit of health because she's a very healthy character

662
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:54,720
she's very large and to be able to rage as well there are moments in game where after you get a melee kill you can then immediately go into another one without having to do any of the extra animations

663
01:13:54,720 --> 01:14:00,720
so I like the idea of that looking mechanically of her being able to go into a rage and then reckless attack two hits

664
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:05,720
and then potentially land a killing strike with her crossbow because the chances of her missing are like zero

665
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:06,720
yeah

666
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,720
she does what she does very well

667
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,720
fair enough

668
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,720
um I am I am I'm I'm moving on to

669
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:13,720
yep

670
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:20,720
fair sure um I'm actually switching her because I refuse to play to a wild magic sorcerer warlocks

671
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,720
um so now she's going to be a storm sorcerer

672
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:24,720
um

673
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,720
it must have been really painful for you

674
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,720
get fucked

675
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,720
it must have hurt so bad

676
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,720
fucked

677
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:36,720
this is going on the list of episodes where there's a real life fight

678
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,720
what was the subclass you chose for warlock

679
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,720
uh I'm getting there

680
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:41,720
just what was it really quick

681
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:42,720
archfey

682
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:43,720
oh okay

683
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:44,720
I haven't done that one before

684
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:45,720
right

685
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:46,720
calm down

686
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:47,720
okay I'm just making sure

687
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,720
just making sure you're you know very in and up a little bit

688
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:50,720
I am

689
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,720
okay mind your business

690
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,720
she likes to play a lot of the same character builds

691
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,720
I have literally never done that

692
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,720
I've never

693
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,720
okay I'm gonna just

694
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,720
it's all damage

695
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,720
it's all about having the most amount of spells

696
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,720
and then she just makes them look a little bit different

697
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,720
I like to play a specific way and I'm not gonna apologize for that

698
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:11,720
tess tess

699
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,720
anyway um I

700
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,720
I'm so I've gotten so in this fucking argument that I'm like

701
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,720
a little like thrown off

702
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,720
um anyway so she has

703
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,720
uh six levels in sorcerer and four levels in warlock

704
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,720
I really wanted to get to um at least six levels in storm sorcerer

705
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,720
because you get a fun little thing called heart of the storm

706
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,720
which you meet which means you get resistance to lightning and thunder damage

707
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,720
and I fucking love lightning bolt as a spell

708
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,720
um so I would love to keep using that

709
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,720
and you also get a fun little thing at first level storm sorcerer

710
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,720
um which is you can use a bonus action

711
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,720
to fly ten feet up into the air

712
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,720
without provoking an opportunity attack anytime that you cast something up up

713
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,720
the first level which is pretty fucking sick

714
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,720
um and then for choosing archfey

715
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,720
I was kind of told that we were gonna be

716
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,720
multi-classing these characters on the fly

717
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,720
and I normally like just like be very meticulous about what I do

718
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:12,720
so this is also be like going through and figure out what my character is gonna be able to do

719
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,720
as you all are hearing it

720
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,720
but I decided to go with archfey because it was one I haven't done before

721
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,720
and I think that kind of fits her character in terms of like this like

722
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,720
kind of like trickstery um con artist vibe

723
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,720
um and so I'm gonna be able to get

724
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,720
who's in a physical fight

725
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,720
that's not the f-

726
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:32,720
ow

727
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,720
ow

728
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,720
ow what the fuck

729
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:37,720
I'm so sorry

730
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,720
what the fuck

731
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:40,720
what is wrong with you

732
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:41,720
I'm so sorry

733
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,720
Jesus go ahead and tell the listeners what you just fucking did

734
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,720
I'm from her

735
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:48,720
god damn

736
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,720
I'm so sorry that

737
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,720
I'm afraid that the mic picked up on that

738
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:53,720
oh it did

739
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,720
it bounced off the fucking mic

740
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,720
I got mad and I threw

741
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,720
Robert was talking shit

742
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,720
and I threw a pen at him very hard

743
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,720
and it bounced

744
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,720
and now he has the pen

745
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:07,720
and I know that he does

746
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:08,720
and it's in his hand

747
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,720
she's just mad that Eva bodies the shit out of Sparrow

748
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:12,720
and then

749
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:13,720
that's not the question

750
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:14,720
that's what I asked

751
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:15,720
and that's what I got

752
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:16,720
I know but like that doesn't

753
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:17,720
that doesn't fucking

754
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:18,720
you wanna go hit with a pen

755
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,720
I said who wins in a physical altercation

756
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,720
and then you threw a fucking pen at my face

757
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,720
so in real life it's me

758
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,720
yeah I'm not gonna throw it back

759
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,720
but anyway she has a 20 in charisma

760
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,720
and I also took one of the invocations

761
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:32,720
for warlock

762
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,720
it is going to allow me to do

763
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,720
1d10 plus 5 for my Eldred Flast

764
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:40,720
I'm gonna get to cast two of those

765
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:41,720
every time I do it

766
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:42,720
and then because I'm a sorcerer

767
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,720
I can also twin spell that

768
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:45,720
or quicken spell that

769
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,720
I can twin spell Eldred best

770
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,720
I can do four beams

771
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,720
which is something you're normally

772
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:52,720
supposed to be able to do

773
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,720
once you reach like what 17th level

774
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,720
I haven't written down somewhere

775
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,720
but I don't have a full up right now

776
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,720
so I can do that

777
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:02,720
I can also

778
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,720
I got to hit more than once

779
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,720
I took an ability that

780
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:07,720
also from elder to invocations

781
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:08,720
that allows me to do Mage Armor

782
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,720
without expending a spell slot

783
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:11,720
so I can automatically

784
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:12,720
she took Eva's advice

785
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:13,720
do that

786
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:14,720
no get fucked

787
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:15,720
get fucked

788
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:16,720
get so fucked

789
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:17,720
you need to find a way to protect yourself

790
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,720
and you know what she did when she leveled up

791
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:21,720
she did Mage Armor

792
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:22,720
it is magical

793
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:23,720
I already had Mage Armor

794
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:24,720
you dipshit

795
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:25,720
now you can do it better

796
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:26,720
now you can do it better

797
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:27,720
now you can do it better

798
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,720
now you can do it better

799
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:30,720
I don't know what energy

800
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:31,720
the whole second half

801
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,720
of this fucking episode has had

802
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,720
but it is rubber presiding

803
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:36,720
now you can do it better

804
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,720
that we're going to physically fight

805
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,720
I haven't made that decision at all

806
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,720
she's going to let Eva die

807
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,720
that's if she doesn't die first in combat

808
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:46,720
she won't

809
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,720
I think if Eva decides that she's going to sit this one out

810
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:50,720
you're fucked

811
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,720
I think that Spare can hold her own

812
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,720
are you telling me that Magnolia

813
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,720
the other sorcerer warlock that I've played

814
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,720
are you telling me she could not hold her own in a fight

815
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,720
I'm telling you she could hold her own in a fight

816
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,720
because I gave her insanely broken magical items

817
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:03,720
oh my god

818
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:04,720
even without her magical items

819
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,720
and her abilities that are like way beyond

820
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:06,720
what other people in the party have

821
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:07,720
even without the magical items

822
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,720
by herself no way

823
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:10,720
you know why

824
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,720
because every person in combat

825
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:13,720
was trying to kill her dumbass

826
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,720
and other people had to hop in front

827
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:16,720
that's not my problem

828
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,720
right so let's revisit the question again

829
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,720
do I think Magnolia by herself could survive

830
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:21,720
fuck no

831
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:22,720
yes

832
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:23,720
no

833
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,720
she lost a 1v1 to Keelor like four times

834
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:27,720
he was a god

835
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,720
point being though in that universe

836
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:31,720
no

837
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:32,720
she would have lasted a fucking day

838
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:33,720
I didn't even say it in a fight

839
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:34,720
okay

840
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:35,720
a day

841
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,720
I'm going to be the bigger person for once in my god damn life

842
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,720
I'm going to take my fucking shoe off

843
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:40,720
and throw it at you Robert

844
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,720
I swear to god

845
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:43,720
she's dying

846
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:44,720
it's not even a bit

847
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:45,720
so quick

848
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,720
I'm going to untie my fucking shoe laces

849
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,720
so what are the rest of Sparrow's features

850
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,720
what else can she do besides

851
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,720
twin spell elders bless

852
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,720
and cast a beige armor better

853
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,720
what's up your ass today Robert

854
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:07,720
what is up your ass today

855
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,720
fucking magical characters

856
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:10,720
I hate them

857
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,720
that is not my problem

858
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,720
that is not my fucking problem

859
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,720
anyway she could also cast calm emotions

860
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,720
which is going to be very helpful whenever you're playing with fucking Robert

861
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,720
hell yeah dog

862
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:25,720
I also have something called Faye Presence

863
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:26,720
which starting at the first level

864
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,720
I could make anyone within a 10 foot cube

865
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,720
originating from me to a wisdom saving throw

866
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,720
against my spell save

867
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,720
which is a fucking 17

868
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,720
and if they fail that then I get to choose whether they are termed or not

869
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,720
I will choose whether they are termed or frightened by me until the end of my next turn

870
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,720
which is pretty nice

871
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,720
it also gives you access to a couple more spells

872
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,720
and now I'm also going to have access to the warlock spell list

873
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,720
which is pretty exciting

874
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:53,720
super fun

875
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,720
because I'm going to be able to pull shit from that

876
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,720
when it comes to a spell casting character

877
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,720
you have to like look through spells

878
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,720
just figure out what school about it

879
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,720
and I don't really have time to do all that

880
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,720
because it's not as easy as just punching things hard

881
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,720
so um

882
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,720
I punch things hard and fast

883
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:11,720
and better

884
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,720
and also from a distance

885
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:14,720
good for you

886
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,720
I can do your whole range thing

887
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,720
I think one whole range thing

888
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,720
that's like the only thing that spellcasters have on

889
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,720
the martial characters is they can do it from a distance

890
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,720
they can also like banish people

891
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:25,720
yeah

892
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:26,720
I can banish people too

893
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,720
by putting my fucking hammer through their skull on a crit

894
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,720
no I mean like I could just look at you and go all out

895
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:32,720
yeah send them to another realm

896
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,720
I'm fully aware of what banish does

897
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:35,720
I know you are

898
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,720
well I banish somebody when you can just kill them

899
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:38,720
with seven attacks

900
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,720
maybe because I don't want to do that

901
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,720
I don't know it sounds like a skill issue to me

902
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:44,720
oh

903
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:45,720
mmm

904
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:46,720
hahahaha

905
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:47,720
hahahaha

906
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:49,720
hahahaha

907
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,720
she just can't count that high

908
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:52,720
it's okay

909
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,720
there will not be any episodes after this

910
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,720
this is a final episode of table talk

911
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:58,720
hahahaha

912
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,720
that's it throw my shoe in a room full of very expensive equipment

913
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:04,720
any other features

914
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:05,720
um

915
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,720
I don't know I didn't really have time to look at all of them

916
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:09,720
uh

917
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:10,720
but uh the other

918
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,720
the other fun thing you can do with sorcerer warlock builds

919
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,720
if Robert would shut the fuck up for ten goddamn seconds

920
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,720
is I could take some of those sorcery points

921
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:20,720
or some of those uh

922
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,720
spell slots that I get from being a warlock

923
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:23,720
uh which is

924
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,720
uh I now have uh five second level spells available to me

925
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,720
I can take some of those and be like cool

926
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,720
realistically I'm not going to be able to need to cast

927
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:32,720
four first level spells

928
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:33,720
five second level spells

929
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,720
and uh three third level spells as a um

930
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:38,720
level ten character

931
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:39,720
or even like

932
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:40,720
like level ten

933
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:41,720
total character

934
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,720
um so I'm going to convert some of those into uh sorcery points

935
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,720
and I'm going to just be able to spam whatever spells that I want

936
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,720
or also be able to quicken spell

937
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:51,720
and um

938
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,720
twin spell as much as I want to

939
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,720
uh which is really what I like to use sorcerers for

940
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,720
because a lot of the time

941
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,720
you can do multiple things on a turn

942
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,720
as opposed to a lot of other spellcasters

943
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,720
where you really only get your like main action

944
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,720
um I also

945
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,720
we tend to ignore the rule that you can't cast two spells in a turn

946
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:11,720
because

947
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:12,720
AY

948
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:13,720
I blocked it

949
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:17,720
Robert just threw a pen at me

950
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:18,720
actually I didn't

951
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:19,720
um yes you

952
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:20,720
I didn't

953
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:21,720
what the fuck do you mean you didn't

954
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:22,720
I didn't

955
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,720
I did this and then set it on the table

956
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:25,720
you dipshit

957
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,720
I thought something hit me

958
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:28,720
nothing hit you

959
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:29,720
I didn't throw anything

960
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:30,720
am I going

961
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:31,720
are you gas letting me

962
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,720
no because yesterday you gas

963
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:34,720
swore on my life

964
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:35,720
yesterday

965
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:36,720
swore on my life

966
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:37,720
in front of his goddamn family

967
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,720
tripped me and I turned around and said hello

968
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,720
and he was like no it wasn't me

969
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,720
clumsy ass bitch

970
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,720
I didn't throw a single thing at you

971
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,720
I am having a stroke

972
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,720
why are you like this

973
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,720
you're the one that threw the pen at me first

974
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:53,720
why have my shoe back

975
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,720
no you can't have your fucking shoe back

976
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:56,720
I have to drive home

977
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,720
you can walk over here and get it at the end of the episode

978
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:00,720
okay

979
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,720
anything else

980
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,720
okay it's a little does besides cast spells better

981
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,720
I guess I'm fucking done

982
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,720
I haven't had time to like read to my abilities

983
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,720
because I've been on the fucking defense this whole time

984
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,720
now as much as I give them

985
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,720
truly the thing that annoys me the most is that

986
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,720
they just have more options than martial characters do

987
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,720
like I got one thing that I do really well

988
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,720
and I can do multiple of it on one turn

989
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:23,720
which is cool

990
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,720
I give but I can't cast spells

991
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,720
oh I also took back to the blade

992
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:28,720
and smite

993
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:29,720
shout out to Iba

994
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,720
not shout out to Iba

995
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,720
shout out to Iba

996
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,720
I Robert I'm so serious

997
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:37,720
encouraging people to fight

998
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:38,720
marshally

999
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,720
back to the blade baby

1000
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:41,720
we will fight marshally

1001
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:42,720
back to the blade

1002
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,720
we can fight marshally in real life

1003
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,720
listen Ima said you gotta get some hands

1004
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:47,720
no no no this is not about Iba

1005
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:48,720
you gotta get better it's taking hits

1006
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:49,720
and you know what sparrow did

1007
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:50,720
this is not about Iba

1008
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,720
sparrow turned around and started eating spinach

1009
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:53,720
and eggs exclusively

1010
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,720
and got really fucking yoked

1011
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,720
we're not making decisions

1012
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,720
she hits people with martial weapons now

1013
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:00,720
big head

1014
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,720
she has a higher A.C.

1015
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,720
she does it all

1016
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,720
she does it all man

1017
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,720
he was doing her doing

1018
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,720
I hope you choke

1019
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,720
he was doing the work man

1020
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,720
I'm here keeping sparrow alive

1021
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:18,720
I recognize that I'm

1022
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,720
I'm just feeding into it

1023
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,720
but like

1024
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,720
you are so infuriating as a person

1025
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,720
and I can't not

1026
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,720
it's the same shit of like

1027
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,720
I'm in trouble but I was little and they're like

1028
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,720
you get bullied because you're so

1029
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,720
like you react so much and I know that

1030
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,720
but I can't not react

1031
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:40,720
so anyways

1032
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:42,720
are you in the fun feature you wanna talk about

1033
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:43,720
fuck you

1034
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,720
in your multi class sword for warlock

1035
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,720
because I didn't get the freedom because I've been on the fucking defense this whole time

1036
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,720
not really

1037
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:52,720
not really

1038
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,720
I can do phantasmal force calm emotions

1039
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:57,720
very fire and sleep from archfey

1040
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,720
those are the ones that get for free

1041
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,720
without like going through and looking

1042
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:02,720
that's nice

1043
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:03,720
I don't have a single fucking cantrip

1044
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:04,720
that's so depressing

1045
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:05,720
I have so many

1046
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:06,720
do you want some of my

1047
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,720
there's a whole dedicated portion of this app

1048
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,720
where it's like martial weapons

1049
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:12,720
and then there's like cantrips and spell slots

1050
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:14,720
I mean I'm sure ours look very similar

1051
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,720
and that one page is very full and one page is very not

1052
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,720
but I have eight

1053
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:19,720
yeah

1054
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:20,720
eight cantrips

1055
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:21,720
zero

1056
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,720
the biggest problem that you'll run into because the sorcerer

1057
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,720
cantrip lists and the warlock cantrip lips

1058
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,720
lists are virtually identical

1059
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,720
that's why I just let her get rid of cantrips

1060
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,720
so that she could actually like cast spells and do other things

1061
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,720
because dear fucking lord

1062
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:36,720
I get it

1063
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:37,720
for some people that's fun

1064
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,720
but like you know mechanically

1065
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,720
what does that do for you when you can cast a single spell on a turn

1066
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,720
yeah I mean like I love cantrips don't get me wrong

1067
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,720
but half the time if I have the ability

1068
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,720
well what other cantrip is there when you have access to elders bless

1069
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:50,720
exactly

1070
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:51,720
but most of the time you're not

1071
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:52,720
it's a trick question there's not

1072
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:54,720
you're not going to be doing enough damage with any of your cantrips

1073
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,720
to like make them beneficial enough

1074
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,720
you're going to spam the one fucking thing

1075
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,720
that the wizards of the coast gave you

1076
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:01,720
which is elders bless

1077
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,720
and then you're going to twin spell it and do it four times

1078
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:05,720
and then you're going to cap your damage

1079
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,720
and when it stops being great

1080
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:08,720
I'll stop doing that

1081
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:09,720
which isn't a thing

1082
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,720
because not only is it the best cantrip in the game

1083
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,720
but there's a class entirely dedicated to taking features around it

1084
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,720
so you can just make it even better

1085
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,720
also I can use magic and guidance

1086
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,720
so I can use the sorcery point to re-roll a d20

1087
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,720
which is another fun sorcerer ability

1088
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:27,720
which is fucking annoying

1089
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:28,720
yeah

1090
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:32,720
wild magic sorcerer is just fuck you I roll what I want

1091
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,720
and Robert experienced that firsthand

1092
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:35,720
yep

1093
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,720
actually I'm going to re-roll that

1094
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:38,720
actually I'm going to re-roll that

1095
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:39,720
actually you're going to re-roll that

1096
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:40,720
actually you're going to roll that with disadvantage

1097
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,720
actually I'm going to roll this with advantage

1098
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,720
between that and having a fucking

1099
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:46,720
I'm going to get kidnapped

1100
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,720
I'm going to get kidnapped by a chronomancy wizard

1101
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:50,720
in the same at the same

1102
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,720
oh my fucking god

1103
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,720
storing rolls and in reversing people's actions

1104
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:57,720
and

1105
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,720
it was a fucking annoying combo

1106
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:00,720
absolutely absurd combo

1107
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:02,720
I was fighting time itself

1108
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,720
it was that was great for me to watch

1109
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:06,720
I hate it every bit of that

1110
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,720
your goal as a DM is to like kill your party

1111
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:10,720
it's not

1112
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,720
it is for you personally sometimes

1113
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:14,720
is that not true

1114
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,720
you can make it difficult enough that there is a real chance of death

1115
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:21,720
my goal is not to kill my party

1116
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:22,720
I stand by that

1117
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,720
you want to down everyone in combat at least once

1118
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:26,720
mmm

1119
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,720
these are words I have heard you say

1120
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,720
it is a fun milestone to have downed everybody in a giving campaign once

1121
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:35,720
which I've already achieved with this one

1122
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:36,720
but um

1123
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:37,720
so chill

1124
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,720
so chill

1125
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:40,720
yeah

1126
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,720
I know what it is

1127
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,720
but I don't aim to kill my party

1128
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,720
I aim to give them an experience that feels challenging enough

1129
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,720
that they at least think that there was a chance that they could have died

1130
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,720
I have heard Robert say before a session

1131
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,720
my goal is to kill you

1132
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,720
yeah because there are some people that just make fucking character builds

1133
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,720
where the entire goal is to just survive

1134
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:03,720
so of course my number one goal in combat is going to down you

1135
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:04,720
either way

1136
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:05,720
this is all

1137
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,720
this was a bit for me to then tee up to say

1138
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,720
my goal sometimes as a player is to make my DM cry

1139
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:12,720
just a little

1140
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:13,720
haven't achieved it

1141
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:14,720
you will never

1142
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,720
no you had a breakdown in Harlequin though

1143
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:17,720
but I didn't cry

1144
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:18,720
no you didn't

1145
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,720
I will never shed a tear for you at that table

1146
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:21,720
not for me

1147
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,720
or anybody else quite frankly I refuse

1148
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,720
I will not give you all that power over me I can't do that

1149
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:29,720
I will not

1150
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,720
this is the most straight man experiencing emotions concept I've ever heard

1151
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:34,720
I can't

1152
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,720
I can't allow that weakness

1153
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,720
you cried during that one shot

1154
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:39,720
yeah I made myself cry

1155
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:40,720
oh fuck off

1156
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,720
I made myself cry Madison

1157
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,720
because that's how good I am at this

1158
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:45,720
that's not how it went

1159
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:46,720
that's just acting

1160
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,720
I was so good I convinced myself

1161
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:49,720
that's just acting

1162
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:50,720
I do that every day

1163
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:51,720
it means I'm a great actor

1164
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:52,720
that's what makes you feel

1165
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:53,720
it's not even my field

1166
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:57,720
don't fucking stop whipping

1167
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,720
I don't know what has been your thing

1168
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,720
anyways thank you for tuning into our latest episode

1169
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:02,720
what is your problem

1170
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:03,720
table talk

1171
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,720
we will see you next Thursday

1172
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,720
maybe if I have a problem

1173
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,720
bye