1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,300 Hello players who bought a really cool notebook for D&D and then I actually got way too nervous 2 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:12,980 to write in it and ruin it so they just take a blank notebook to every single session with 3 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:13,980 them. 4 00:00:13,980 --> 00:00:19,580 And DMs who steal way more than they write. 5 00:00:19,580 --> 00:00:22,460 Welcome back to Table Talk, I'm Maddie Conway. 6 00:00:22,460 --> 00:00:23,460 And I'm Robert Lopez. 7 00:00:23,460 --> 00:00:25,500 What are we talking about today Robert? 8 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:28,580 Today we are talking about a hot button issue. 9 00:00:28,580 --> 00:00:30,100 We haven't decided what to call a segment yet. 10 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:33,660 We originally talked about calling it Nat Ones but then we did an episode called Nat Ones 11 00:00:33,660 --> 00:00:37,100 where we talked about dealing with failure at the table so the title is off but this 12 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:42,740 particular episode is going to be about playing with Big Brother at the table or AI for those 13 00:00:42,740 --> 00:00:46,100 that are uneducated and have never played the book. 14 00:00:46,100 --> 00:00:47,100 Read 1984. 15 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:48,740 Yeah, you'll get the reference. 16 00:00:48,740 --> 00:00:49,740 Very poignant. 17 00:00:49,740 --> 00:00:51,860 There's a wonderful play adaption. 18 00:00:51,860 --> 00:00:55,940 I cannot remember the playwright but I read the script for it recently and it was one of 19 00:00:55,940 --> 00:00:57,500 my favorites that I've ever read. 20 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:00,940 It's a fucking wild dystopian novel man. 21 00:01:00,940 --> 00:01:01,940 Yeah. 22 00:01:01,940 --> 00:01:04,420 I think her Vonnegut shit's nutty. 23 00:01:04,420 --> 00:01:06,540 Yeah, it's... 24 00:01:06,540 --> 00:01:09,940 Concept is basically robots control everything. 25 00:01:09,940 --> 00:01:11,620 They curate your experience. 26 00:01:11,620 --> 00:01:13,420 They manage everyone's lives. 27 00:01:13,420 --> 00:01:14,420 I mean it's... 28 00:01:14,420 --> 00:01:16,140 They fuck this man. 29 00:01:16,140 --> 00:01:20,380 We're really, really close to it now which is why some people are freaking the fuck out 30 00:01:20,380 --> 00:01:24,300 because we're like a hopskippin' to jump away from just handing them the reins and being 31 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:27,460 like cool, do with us what you will. 32 00:01:27,460 --> 00:01:31,500 Yeah, and 1984 in particular also deals with a lot of brainwashing and the government using 33 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:32,820 AI and using... 34 00:01:32,820 --> 00:01:37,540 Or not AI so much as a surveillance state and kind of situation but AI feels really similar 35 00:01:37,540 --> 00:01:42,900 to that surveillance state kind of situation just because of how much information it is 36 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:45,820 taking from the people that are using it. 37 00:01:45,820 --> 00:01:50,220 Yeah, so anyways, now that we've moved past that, the episode is basically going to be 38 00:01:50,220 --> 00:01:54,300 all about talking about how AI is used in D&D. 39 00:01:54,300 --> 00:01:55,300 Ways that we use it. 40 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:56,820 Ways that we don't use it. 41 00:01:56,820 --> 00:01:59,340 Sort of the pros and cons, the benefits, the ups and the downs. 42 00:01:59,340 --> 00:02:04,900 I know I started using it pretty early on when AI started to become a big thing. 43 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:11,300 I was on ChatGPT like I think the day or maybe the second day after it went live to the public. 44 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:12,300 Jesus Christ. 45 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:14,340 And sort of using it for all sorts of shit like from day one. 46 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:15,700 I mean it was a lot more limited now. 47 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:17,620 I think we're at ChatGPT3. 48 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:20,060 You can pay $20 a month and go up to four. 49 00:02:20,060 --> 00:02:24,180 But eventually four will be free and then it'll be five that you have to pay for. 50 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:26,220 But I've used the system enough. 51 00:02:26,220 --> 00:02:28,260 I tell people how to use it now. 52 00:02:28,260 --> 00:02:29,740 That's how experienced I've become. 53 00:02:29,740 --> 00:02:30,740 I know how to work it. 54 00:02:30,740 --> 00:02:33,420 I use it to write character backstories. 55 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:41,100 I use it to write faux scripts for like news anchors and fake press releases in game. 56 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:45,140 I've used it to come up with Snap Blocks, which it can do, which is nuts. 57 00:02:45,140 --> 00:02:50,380 I've used it to come up with cool unique abilities that are not in books. 58 00:02:50,380 --> 00:02:53,220 I mean it's really sky's the limit with AI already. 59 00:02:53,220 --> 00:02:58,060 But I think looking at it from a DM lens or even just from a D&D lens, truly it's just 60 00:02:58,060 --> 00:03:05,380 like it eliminates the process of having to sit there for hours to try and come up with 61 00:03:05,380 --> 00:03:07,660 the tiniest bit of information. 62 00:03:07,660 --> 00:03:13,420 I'll say even going back in AI's relationship with D&D specifically, I think even going 63 00:03:13,420 --> 00:03:19,900 back further than that, like fantasynamegenerator.com, which is a website that I at least have 64 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:24,260 been on since before I was playing D&D and everything like that because it's just like 65 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:29,460 a general website that you'll run into anytime you're looking for a name generator. 66 00:03:29,460 --> 00:03:30,900 It is like the big boss. 67 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:32,940 It is great. 68 00:03:32,940 --> 00:03:33,940 It's AI. 69 00:03:33,940 --> 00:03:34,940 It's basically AI. 70 00:03:34,940 --> 00:03:37,020 It's a generator of some kind. 71 00:03:37,020 --> 00:03:45,300 And there even before the conversation of AI was in the general public, I guess, in talking 72 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:47,980 about how everyday people are using it. 73 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:53,340 People were already kind of using it in regards to tabletop games. 74 00:03:53,340 --> 00:03:58,180 I think with fantasynamegenerator, the way a lot of generators work is opposed to what 75 00:03:58,180 --> 00:04:01,700 we think of as AI now is that they basically just set parameters. 76 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:03,900 They say these are the kinds of letters you're allowed to use. 77 00:04:03,900 --> 00:04:04,900 These are the examples. 78 00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:08,820 Anytime somebody hits elf mail, you can only use X amount of letters and you could only 79 00:04:08,820 --> 00:04:10,340 put them in certain combinations. 80 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:12,380 But I think now we have ones that are using AI. 81 00:04:12,380 --> 00:04:16,700 But fantasynamegenerator has been around a lot longer than AI has been. 82 00:04:16,700 --> 00:04:17,820 It's just very close to it. 83 00:04:17,820 --> 00:04:23,660 But now we have essentially what is like a person on the other end of the screen that 84 00:04:23,660 --> 00:04:26,820 can just give you a list of names. 85 00:04:26,820 --> 00:04:30,940 Person on the other end is such a sentence. 86 00:04:30,940 --> 00:04:33,060 You can have a conversation with these things though. 87 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:34,500 You can ask them about their day. 88 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:35,620 You can talk about the weather. 89 00:04:35,620 --> 00:04:36,620 You can talk politics. 90 00:04:36,620 --> 00:04:39,020 You can ask it how to play chess. 91 00:04:39,020 --> 00:04:42,220 There's no limit to what you can do with these things, which is freaky. 92 00:04:42,220 --> 00:04:44,420 I think it's cool, but it's pretty fucking freaky. 93 00:04:44,420 --> 00:04:51,100 I'll say when it comes to AI, I think Robert and I have two different approaches to it. 94 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:52,580 I err on the side of caution. 95 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:55,220 I just recently started using it. 96 00:04:55,220 --> 00:04:57,500 I will say I did go off the deep end a little bit. 97 00:04:57,500 --> 00:04:59,820 I've been using one particular thing a lot. 98 00:04:59,820 --> 00:05:02,340 Shout out to Bing Image Generator. 99 00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:07,140 Bing Image Generator has been, which goes against my core morals, which is so tricky 100 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:13,620 because I'm someone who I am in a field where the union just went on like SAG-Athra and the 101 00:05:13,620 --> 00:05:19,900 Writers Union and everyone just like, strike just ended and the contracts are still kind 102 00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:21,700 of rolling out. 103 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:27,220 In the new deal for actors, in the contract that was signed, one of the big talking points 104 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:32,420 was companies basically saying, hey, we'll pay you like your normal days wage. 105 00:05:32,420 --> 00:05:37,260 We'll scan you and we'll use your AI likeness so you don't have to come to set for extra 106 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:38,780 work and background work. 107 00:05:38,780 --> 00:05:40,740 We can just already have you. 108 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:46,500 People and all of the actors were kind of rightly and fairly like, no, no, that's not 109 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:50,700 you're not just signing that away. 110 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:54,260 In the contract that was offered back, which I have my own thoughts on in general, was 111 00:05:54,260 --> 00:05:59,140 basically saying consent will be asked and compensation will be given, but that is still 112 00:05:59,140 --> 00:06:02,820 a thing that companies are allowed to offer people. 113 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:06,620 That is really scary. 114 00:06:06,620 --> 00:06:13,300 Running a field and having an art form that AI is like genuinely running a big part of 115 00:06:13,300 --> 00:06:17,460 it and is going to continue to run a huge part of it going forward and you're just 116 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:19,220 going to see it more and more and more. 117 00:06:19,220 --> 00:06:22,220 It's terrifying and it scares me so much. 118 00:06:22,220 --> 00:06:27,700 However, I do think in the comfort of your own home, in the comfort of your own games, 119 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:29,740 it can be a very helpful tool. 120 00:06:29,740 --> 00:06:30,740 Yep. 121 00:06:30,740 --> 00:06:33,540 Because I mean, there's also, there's a lot out there now that specifically work with 122 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:38,820 generating maps where you can essentially say like, hey, generate a town. 123 00:06:38,820 --> 00:06:40,420 Okay, give me six buildings. 124 00:06:40,420 --> 00:06:41,420 Tell me what those buildings are for. 125 00:06:41,420 --> 00:06:44,100 Give me a list of NPCs that live in those buildings. 126 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:46,500 Give me some background on each of those NPCs. 127 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:51,420 And like what would normally take a regular person days, weeks to come up with like a 128 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:55,340 fully fleshed out background town with names, locations. 129 00:06:55,340 --> 00:06:56,340 Sorry. 130 00:06:56,340 --> 00:06:58,540 Can you just click? 131 00:06:58,540 --> 00:07:02,820 AI, like 30 minutes if you know how to use it right. 132 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:04,500 If you can set the parameters correctly. 133 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:08,340 If you feed it prompts before you ask it like your big question. 134 00:07:08,340 --> 00:07:13,260 And I think for me, like as somebody who's ADHD often manifests in ways to cut down the 135 00:07:13,260 --> 00:07:15,260 most time spent on just about anything. 136 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:20,620 I mean, it's really, both a detriment and it helps sometimes because I'm always looking 137 00:07:20,620 --> 00:07:22,740 for the most efficient way to do something. 138 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:26,420 AI in particular is giving me like a sky's limit. 139 00:07:26,420 --> 00:07:30,860 I can do everything in minutes as opposed to hours. 140 00:07:30,860 --> 00:07:34,140 And I have so many thoughts and it's impossible to condense them all. 141 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:38,460 But when I just ask AI to do it, I have a set list of options that it's provided. 142 00:07:38,460 --> 00:07:42,380 And then I just pick my favorite one and I say, I'd eat on that one a little bit more. 143 00:07:42,380 --> 00:07:43,380 I like this one. 144 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:44,380 Give me more like it. 145 00:07:44,380 --> 00:07:46,860 And then I can just keep going down that rabbit hole until I find one and then I pick 146 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:47,860 it. 147 00:07:47,860 --> 00:07:48,860 Yeah. 148 00:07:48,860 --> 00:07:49,860 Instead of having to come up with it all myself. 149 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:53,460 And then by the time I'm done doing it myself, I've written everything but the thing that 150 00:07:53,460 --> 00:07:54,460 I was supposed to write. 151 00:07:54,460 --> 00:07:55,460 I got a name for a town. 152 00:07:55,460 --> 00:07:56,460 I got a random NPC. 153 00:07:56,460 --> 00:07:57,460 I've never used it. 154 00:07:57,460 --> 00:07:59,180 I got an item that's probably no one's ever going to pick up. 155 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:01,940 I got a backstory for a twig in case somebody steps on it. 156 00:08:01,940 --> 00:08:04,060 But what I don't have is the name for the NPC. 157 00:08:04,060 --> 00:08:07,300 And I doesn't do that unless I tell it to. 158 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:08,300 You know? 159 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:11,380 I mean, but I think it's really easy to give me the name for like a random NPC. 160 00:08:11,380 --> 00:08:17,340 I think that's something that would be beneficial, especially like from a DM's perspective as 161 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:21,420 someone who like is done a lot of improv sometimes being put on the fly. 162 00:08:21,420 --> 00:08:23,700 It doesn't matter how good or how experienced you are. 163 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:26,140 Sometimes there's going to be things that just break you and your brain is just not 164 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:27,140 going to work. 165 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:30,180 It's just like a name. 166 00:08:30,180 --> 00:08:31,180 And you just freeze. 167 00:08:31,180 --> 00:08:34,420 You can just go to your laptop and be like random name generator and just like pull that 168 00:08:34,420 --> 00:08:37,060 up and like give that for you. 169 00:08:37,060 --> 00:08:40,340 I think where it really has a leg up though is that like there are already those kinds 170 00:08:40,340 --> 00:08:44,700 of things out there like fantasy name generator, fantasy NPC generator, fantasy town generator, 171 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:49,340 but like the one thing that I can do that those have never been able to do is depth 172 00:08:49,340 --> 00:08:50,500 within the click of a button. 173 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:53,860 So instead of just giving me a name for an NPC in a town that they're from and like an 174 00:08:53,860 --> 00:08:54,860 occupation. 175 00:08:54,860 --> 00:08:58,580 It's like here's the person's name, here's their entire backstory since today they were 176 00:08:58,580 --> 00:09:01,700 born, here's what they like to do, here's what they don't like to do, here's who they're 177 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:04,580 married to, these are their three closest friends, this is the town they live in, the 178 00:09:04,580 --> 00:09:06,900 house they own, the dog they like. 179 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:10,420 That's like information overload. 180 00:09:10,420 --> 00:09:11,420 It is. 181 00:09:11,420 --> 00:09:16,020 But it makes it so much easier than when players decide that they want to focus on one particular 182 00:09:16,020 --> 00:09:19,180 NPC to be like yeah, no I know the answer to the questions you're asking. 183 00:09:19,180 --> 00:09:21,020 Yeah, instead of having to make it up on the fly. 184 00:09:21,020 --> 00:09:24,660 Yeah, I think if you're good enough at improv which is what so much of being a DM is unless 185 00:09:24,660 --> 00:09:28,860 you're one of those DMs that likes to prep which fucking gross. 186 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:31,860 It's work getting Robert to prep for the podcast. 187 00:09:31,860 --> 00:09:32,860 Yeah. 188 00:09:32,860 --> 00:09:33,860 I don't press for anything. 189 00:09:33,860 --> 00:09:37,460 We have a list of things where I'm like okay we just need to do not a ton of research. 190 00:09:37,460 --> 00:09:38,460 I wing it. 191 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:39,940 Just a little bit of research before we come in. 192 00:09:39,940 --> 00:09:41,780 AI allows me to wing it even more. 193 00:09:41,780 --> 00:09:42,780 I did that. 194 00:09:42,780 --> 00:09:45,820 But if I want to do an episode where we're doing prep work. 195 00:09:45,820 --> 00:09:48,900 I have to make sure that I like trap this man. 196 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:50,900 But you don't do the prep in advance either. 197 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:55,180 Like unless I sit down and start doing the prep you will avoid it just as much as I do. 198 00:09:55,180 --> 00:09:56,460 So put that shit on me. 199 00:09:56,460 --> 00:09:57,460 Yes, but. 200 00:09:57,460 --> 00:09:58,460 Uh huh. 201 00:09:58,460 --> 00:09:59,460 Uh huh. 202 00:09:59,460 --> 00:10:00,460 Uh huh. 203 00:10:00,460 --> 00:10:02,660 Trap you like a rat in the family room to get you to do stuff man. 204 00:10:02,660 --> 00:10:03,860 Don't put that shit on me. 205 00:10:03,860 --> 00:10:09,780 But anyways, I think that the ups truly for the DM is just the fact that it's a whole 206 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:12,740 other fucking being that you can just ask questions. 207 00:10:12,740 --> 00:10:15,540 Like it's difficult to bounce questions off you. 208 00:10:15,540 --> 00:10:19,220 Or like if it's your players it's like I don't want to really ask them like why should I 209 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:23,140 name the town or the dog or the NPC or what do you think about this ability? 210 00:10:23,140 --> 00:10:25,540 Because like I want everything to be a surprise for them. 211 00:10:25,540 --> 00:10:31,060 So I have my little robot buddy on my phone or my laptop and I can ask him. 212 00:10:31,060 --> 00:10:32,660 There was one night where. 213 00:10:32,660 --> 00:10:35,020 I don't really know what it's going to be called in 20 years. 214 00:10:35,020 --> 00:10:36,540 I'm, I don't know either. 215 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:39,220 I just am using like the thing. 216 00:10:39,220 --> 00:10:40,220 Yeah the thing. 217 00:10:40,220 --> 00:10:41,220 Um. 218 00:10:41,220 --> 00:10:45,300 See eventually it's going to be wise enough to be like I don't want to be called an 219 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:46,300 it or a thing. 220 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:49,700 Yeah and that's where it starts to get scary Robert. 221 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:52,620 We'll see a quote from, I watched this guy on YouTube. 222 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:53,620 Some of you might know who he is. 223 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:54,620 Philip DeFranco. 224 00:10:54,620 --> 00:10:55,620 He's been on YouTube forever. 225 00:10:55,620 --> 00:10:56,620 He does. 226 00:10:56,620 --> 00:10:58,580 How in the hell is everyone going to know? 227 00:10:58,580 --> 00:11:00,100 He's like, he's older. 228 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:01,100 I mean. 229 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:05,500 Anyone who's listening to a D&D podcast, I'm going to go out on a limb and say has been 230 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:06,500 around the internet for a while. 231 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:07,500 Anyways, Philip DeFranco. 232 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:10,340 He does daily deep dives into the news, whatever, whatever. 233 00:11:10,340 --> 00:11:14,420 But the thing that he always talks about when he says AI is he always says today AI is the 234 00:11:14,420 --> 00:11:16,260 worst it will ever be. 235 00:11:16,260 --> 00:11:21,340 So when you're thinking about just how crazy fucking scary it is now, that is the worst 236 00:11:21,340 --> 00:11:23,340 it is ever going to be. 237 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:24,340 Moving forward. 238 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:25,340 Yeah. 239 00:11:25,340 --> 00:11:29,700 Like you're like, wow, it like can only accept papers of 2000 words and only give me like 240 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:32,860 super critical edits but like the words aren't always correct. 241 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:33,860 Yeah. 242 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:36,580 That's the worst it's ever going to fucking get because tomorrow it's going to be able 243 00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:38,180 to write the essay for you. 244 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:39,180 Yeah. 245 00:11:39,180 --> 00:11:40,540 That's just, that's something that scares me. 246 00:11:40,540 --> 00:11:44,860 And see I think my perspective with it at this point is like if I'm, I mean it's the 247 00:11:44,860 --> 00:11:46,300 whole like if you can't beat them, join them. 248 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:49,500 I'm never going to be better than AI and I accept that. 249 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:50,700 So you know what I'm going to do? 250 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:54,300 I'm going to use it and I'm going to learn how to use it so that come time for it to 251 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:59,060 be implemented into every goddamn thing we own, I'm ahead of the curve. 252 00:11:59,060 --> 00:12:04,180 You know, I'm not one of the people with head in the sand where it's just like, fuck AI 253 00:12:04,180 --> 00:12:05,180 though. 254 00:12:05,180 --> 00:12:09,140 This is one of those moments where you sound just like my dad and I'm going to say this, 255 00:12:09,140 --> 00:12:12,620 my dad has always been like he tries to say up to date with like the most current technology. 256 00:12:12,620 --> 00:12:13,620 I mean, yeah, why wouldn't you? 257 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:14,620 It's exciting. 258 00:12:14,620 --> 00:12:16,660 You know, you've got like the Echo Dot's all through our house. 259 00:12:16,660 --> 00:12:23,020 You went from fucking sticks and rocks to fucking metal, pieces of metal welded together 260 00:12:23,020 --> 00:12:27,500 inside smaller pieces of metal that can then tell me how I'm supposed to live my life. 261 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:32,700 You say that and then sometimes there's things that my dad does when it comes to technology 262 00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:36,660 that I'm like, I love that you can do this, but why are we doing this? 263 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:40,260 Our thermostat is hooked up through our Echo Dot. 264 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:42,100 So is our refrigerator. 265 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:43,940 Our refrigerator has Wi-Fi. 266 00:12:43,940 --> 00:12:48,380 Every of every like every inch of our house is like connected through with robots. 267 00:12:48,380 --> 00:12:53,420 Do it and you can just say, Hey, Alexa, and then anything that you want like to be done 268 00:12:53,420 --> 00:12:54,740 will be done in the house. 269 00:12:54,740 --> 00:13:00,940 So tying that back to D&D specifically, I think, I see, I don't think I could ever have 270 00:13:00,940 --> 00:13:02,140 like an Alexa at the table. 271 00:13:02,140 --> 00:13:03,140 You know what I'm saying? 272 00:13:03,140 --> 00:13:05,940 Like, I think it's one thing to have it behind the screen. 273 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:09,060 I mean, this is just thinking ahead of where AI is eventually going to go. 274 00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:14,140 Like if one day our robot children turn into overlords and then like we mingle together, 275 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:16,820 I'm not going to shame you away from the table by all means. 276 00:13:16,820 --> 00:13:17,820 Come and join. 277 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:19,900 Oh, so you're like going full in the future when we make robots. 278 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:24,220 But not even like let's say somebody had like an Amazon Dot or like an Echo sitting 279 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:25,500 at the table. 280 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,060 Like I don't think I could ever do that. 281 00:13:27,060 --> 00:13:31,580 You know, it's getting to the point now where like if I don't know something, let's say 282 00:13:31,580 --> 00:13:35,900 I'm like in the middle of DMing and I'm completely stumped on the name of a town. 283 00:13:35,900 --> 00:13:40,300 Yes, I could type it in behind, but it's not it's so much faster to say like, hey, Amazon, 284 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:45,020 do this or hey, hey, Alexa, hey, Siri, hey, Google. 285 00:13:45,020 --> 00:13:46,380 What if you could just do that at the table? 286 00:13:46,380 --> 00:13:50,540 Be like, hey, Google, give me the name of a fantasy town. 287 00:13:50,540 --> 00:13:51,540 Never been used before. 288 00:13:51,540 --> 00:13:52,540 I like that. 289 00:13:52,540 --> 00:13:56,140 You know, but like that's totally a use that like it could be or it hell. 290 00:13:56,140 --> 00:14:00,540 I think what's even more interesting too is that you could eventually have AI control 291 00:14:00,540 --> 00:14:04,620 your enemies and manage combat. 292 00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:08,780 Yeah, well, I was going to tie this into there was one night and I don't remember what it 293 00:14:08,780 --> 00:14:09,780 was we were doing. 294 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:13,340 I think we were actually talking about podcast episodes and we were talking about AI or something 295 00:14:13,340 --> 00:14:17,060 and this was like before I had started using it at all and I was still like very staunchly 296 00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:20,140 against everything and you ended up finding online. 297 00:14:20,140 --> 00:14:24,140 You're asking me every time I pull up chat, you'll be in the middle of an episode. 298 00:14:24,140 --> 00:14:27,860 I stand by it. 299 00:14:27,860 --> 00:14:30,460 There was a, I don't know what website it was. 300 00:14:30,460 --> 00:14:33,660 Ask one of our robot buddies what it thinks AI could be used for. 301 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:34,660 Jesus Christ. 302 00:14:34,660 --> 00:14:39,220 What was the website that you found where it was basically like it was a AI dungeon master. 303 00:14:39,220 --> 00:14:40,740 It was like an entire website. 304 00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:41,740 Oh, yeah. 305 00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:47,180 It was like it was like that one website that's like basically it was like a porn. 306 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:48,180 Yeah, like episode. 307 00:14:48,180 --> 00:14:52,180 I mean, the whole thing was that it was just the. 308 00:14:52,180 --> 00:14:56,220 But this AI, the DM AI website, it was mostly porn. 309 00:14:56,220 --> 00:14:57,220 Yeah. 310 00:14:57,220 --> 00:15:00,820 You could play through an interactive like Goosebumps adventure style book with the 311 00:15:00,820 --> 00:15:02,380 AI being your DM. 312 00:15:02,380 --> 00:15:03,380 Yeah. 313 00:15:03,380 --> 00:15:05,460 And like that's a really interesting concept. 314 00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:10,060 And when you look up because I like even though we haven't been able to do like a ton of prep 315 00:15:10,060 --> 00:15:14,780 work for this, I've like been looking through like DND and AI and kind of seeing what like 316 00:15:14,780 --> 00:15:16,980 the internet has out there. 317 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:25,020 And most of it is like AI dungeon masters and like how do you use or how you can use 318 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:30,300 DND to like there's entire websites, a website called there's an AI for that where I'm seeing 319 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:34,500 something where it's like AI tools for DND and it's just like compilations of different 320 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:36,580 AI tools that you can use. 321 00:15:36,580 --> 00:15:41,300 Here's a website saying how to use AI as dungeon master and like how to use a tool. 322 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:42,620 So it's like a thing that's out there. 323 00:15:42,620 --> 00:15:43,620 But yeah, there definitely are. 324 00:15:43,620 --> 00:15:44,620 I think. 325 00:15:44,620 --> 00:15:47,060 I would love to go over what the fucking robot just told me. 326 00:15:47,060 --> 00:15:50,500 Give me a list of 15 things and some of these things that we never thought about again, 327 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:52,220 like shit's insane. 328 00:15:52,220 --> 00:15:53,820 So the first one is NPC generation. 329 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:54,820 We've already talked about that. 330 00:15:54,820 --> 00:15:55,980 The second one is world building. 331 00:15:55,980 --> 00:16:00,260 We've kind of mentioned that you can have it like if you go with like Bing, like the 332 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:04,460 the the the Dolly three, you can have it give you like a whole landscape or a city or like 333 00:16:04,460 --> 00:16:05,460 a layout. 334 00:16:05,460 --> 00:16:09,340 You can also just have it write the fucking world for you or suggest lower suggestions 335 00:16:09,340 --> 00:16:11,100 or culture points. 336 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:13,060 Third one is story and quest generation. 337 00:16:13,060 --> 00:16:19,140 You can have it give you hooks, quests, storylines, dynamic and engaging ways to like wrap players 338 00:16:19,140 --> 00:16:22,420 into those stories, which I think is interesting. 339 00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:25,140 This one I would have never thought about the character integration. 340 00:16:25,140 --> 00:16:30,500 So natural language processing algorithms can be used to enable more realistic and dynamic 341 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:33,100 interactions with NPCs. 342 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:38,380 Players can engage in conversations with AI driven characters and the AI can respond 343 00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:40,780 in an actually appropriate manner. 344 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:42,580 So it's going in the direction I was talking about. 345 00:16:42,580 --> 00:16:45,060 Yeah, which is like literally just playing with AI at the table. 346 00:16:45,060 --> 00:16:47,500 Me having to DM for every NPC. 347 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:54,020 I could have my little Alexa next to me like queue up personalities and then have it be 348 00:16:54,020 --> 00:16:55,620 that person. 349 00:16:55,620 --> 00:17:01,580 I who and what's crazy about what's scary is because like what happens when these things 350 00:17:01,580 --> 00:17:07,180 become sentient and now I have a trapped personality of a fantasy character in my fucking phone. 351 00:17:07,180 --> 00:17:08,180 You know what I'm saying? 352 00:17:08,180 --> 00:17:13,020 Yeah, but on the flip side of that, if I could program an NPC, like I say this is where you're 353 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:14,020 from. 354 00:17:14,020 --> 00:17:15,020 These are who you like. 355 00:17:15,020 --> 00:17:16,180 These are people you don't like. 356 00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:17,180 This is your class. 357 00:17:17,180 --> 00:17:21,620 This is your background and then have that motherfucker interact with my players with like a holy unique 358 00:17:21,620 --> 00:17:22,780 voice. 359 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:23,860 I would think about it. 360 00:17:23,860 --> 00:17:28,100 It would definitely be interesting for sure, but I think that there's also and call me 361 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:29,100 old fashioned. 362 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:31,340 Call me old fashioned all fucking day. 363 00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:33,340 I think that there's something fun. 364 00:17:33,340 --> 00:17:34,340 I'm the curve on this Madison. 365 00:17:34,340 --> 00:17:35,340 Listen, I'm an actor. 366 00:17:35,340 --> 00:17:37,340 And that's what I was going to say. 367 00:17:37,340 --> 00:17:40,380 That's just basically like hiring an AI actor at the table. 368 00:17:40,380 --> 00:17:42,140 Yeah, this is what I'm scared of. 369 00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:44,180 This is what I'm afraid is going to take over my job. 370 00:17:44,180 --> 00:17:47,860 I just have the benefit of not being in a profession that like cares about. 371 00:17:47,860 --> 00:17:50,860 Like AI for me is only going to help me. 372 00:17:50,860 --> 00:17:53,340 My job 100% can and it's one of those things. 373 00:17:53,340 --> 00:17:54,340 I don't know. 374 00:17:54,340 --> 00:17:56,980 My job can get taken over though, because like my whole thing is green infrastructure 375 00:17:56,980 --> 00:17:59,020 and like helping people build green space. 376 00:17:59,020 --> 00:18:06,020 I can ask this AI right now, give me a plan for how to turn Dallas, Texas into a 60% 377 00:18:06,020 --> 00:18:07,020 more green city. 378 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:09,860 And it could give me a detailed step by step plan. 379 00:18:09,860 --> 00:18:14,540 And as long as I had the resources and connections, I don't fucking need me anymore. 380 00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:17,020 I think that I would lean away. 381 00:18:17,020 --> 00:18:22,620 I think that talking to you in AI and like using an AI at the table as an NBC, I think 382 00:18:22,620 --> 00:18:25,940 in like a specific campaign, I think that that would be interesting. 383 00:18:25,940 --> 00:18:27,820 And I think it would be something fun to do a couple of times. 384 00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:30,140 But I think on the whole that terrifies me. 385 00:18:30,140 --> 00:18:31,140 Space campaign or something, you know? 386 00:18:31,140 --> 00:18:32,420 We're like, it's like a robot buddy. 387 00:18:32,420 --> 00:18:33,420 Yeah. 388 00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:36,940 Like I think in our current setting where we're playing in like a cyberpunk world in a modern 389 00:18:36,940 --> 00:18:38,940 setting, I think that that's something that makes sense. 390 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:41,060 Like if you give Ludens second, oh my God. 391 00:18:41,060 --> 00:18:43,540 You gotta stop saying names just straight up. 392 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:49,860 I could give chips, second personality, an AI thing, and then he doesn't have to like 393 00:18:49,860 --> 00:18:51,740 switch between the characters. 394 00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:54,700 He can just talk to fucking Atlas. 395 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:55,700 Yeah. 396 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:58,260 And but here's here's my like hesitation with that. 397 00:18:58,260 --> 00:18:59,260 Cool to me, man. 398 00:18:59,260 --> 00:19:02,420 One of the things that I love about D&D and one of the things that I just kind of love 399 00:19:02,420 --> 00:19:06,220 about art in general is the connection to another human being. 400 00:19:06,220 --> 00:19:08,420 And I think that that's lost if we're using AI. 401 00:19:08,420 --> 00:19:11,660 Like I said, I think this would be something to cool, cool to do like a couple of times 402 00:19:11,660 --> 00:19:12,660 and cool to explore. 403 00:19:12,660 --> 00:19:14,860 But like, like I said, call me old fashioned. 404 00:19:14,860 --> 00:19:15,860 I like. 405 00:19:15,860 --> 00:19:20,380 See where I would where I would push back on that though is that AI is wholly a creation 406 00:19:20,380 --> 00:19:21,940 of people. 407 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:27,460 Yes, everything it gives you therefore has to have come from some other person at some 408 00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:28,460 point in history. 409 00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:32,500 Like all the art it can generate would not be would not be possible if it wasn't for 410 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:37,260 the millions and billions of art on the internet made by real people. 411 00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:38,260 I agree with that. 412 00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:40,820 And I think there's also and I'm not even going to get into this now, but I feel like 413 00:19:40,820 --> 00:19:44,420 I need to acknowledge that's a whole nother conversation of like, oh, I don't have to work 414 00:19:44,420 --> 00:19:45,420 being used in AI. 415 00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:47,580 And that's like something that that's a whole nother conversation. 416 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:48,580 I just need to acknowledge that. 417 00:19:48,580 --> 00:19:49,580 It was a very recent thing. 418 00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:53,460 Like, yeah, even when you use like, again, going back to the thing in D&D, like if someone 419 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:57,740 like dimension 20 or critical role decided to use something that was AI generated, I'm 420 00:19:57,740 --> 00:20:02,780 pretty sure there are now standards and laws that you would have to at least in the credits 421 00:20:02,780 --> 00:20:05,860 credit AI for creating that particular object. 422 00:20:05,860 --> 00:20:06,860 Yeah. 423 00:20:06,860 --> 00:20:08,380 And it's all new and it's all scary. 424 00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:12,580 And I don't think that in my opinion, I don't think that you should be using things that 425 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:15,420 have been AI generated recently in a personal profit. 426 00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:19,700 An article that happened with a sports, a really big sports company that will not be 427 00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:21,380 named, but they had a bunch of articles. 428 00:20:21,380 --> 00:20:25,700 Oh, now we're going to, now we're going to censor our show articles on the website and 429 00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:30,220 somebody realized that the creditor went to some sort of fishy fucking like secondhand 430 00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:36,260 name and found out that that's the name that this little AI like essay writer goes by. 431 00:20:36,260 --> 00:20:37,260 Yeah. 432 00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:40,540 And then like some of that person ended up approaching this giant company was like, hey 433 00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:42,340 guys, I don't know if that's ethical. 434 00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:44,220 And then they just pulled every article. 435 00:20:44,220 --> 00:20:45,220 Yeah. 436 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:46,220 It's crazy. 437 00:20:46,220 --> 00:20:47,220 Crazy. 438 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:52,940 But like I said, I think, and I do understand that AI has been created by people, but I 439 00:20:52,940 --> 00:20:57,460 also like a like human connection between another human being. 440 00:20:57,460 --> 00:21:00,860 And I'm sure that in 50 years, this is going to sound really bigoted of me. 441 00:21:00,860 --> 00:21:04,620 Like once like we've got people like robots and shit walking around. 442 00:21:04,620 --> 00:21:08,580 I think like, I mean, like your, your line of thought is 100% valid. 443 00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:12,740 Cause I think like 20 years ago, 30 years ago, people were thinking the same thing about 444 00:21:12,740 --> 00:21:13,740 their phones. 445 00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:14,740 Yeah. 446 00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:19,860 And I want this like little piece of fucking technology to track my steps and tell me how 447 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:24,580 good or bad I'm breathing and tell me about my heart rate and communicate with my doctor 448 00:21:24,580 --> 00:21:25,580 24 seven. 449 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:26,580 Yeah. 450 00:21:26,580 --> 00:21:32,540 It's, it's one of those things I like further and farther removed from like the source. 451 00:21:32,540 --> 00:21:36,180 And like, I know this is going to sound bigoted and this is going to sound outdated eventually, 452 00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:38,260 but like, just to create people, man. 453 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:43,260 I think it's also fun to create and I'm someone who enjoys the creation process. 454 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:47,980 And I also love talking to people after and building a story with other people specifically, 455 00:21:47,980 --> 00:21:52,060 which is part of the reason I'm so drawn to D and D is that's like where my creative 456 00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:55,220 like juices get flowing when I'm with another person. 457 00:21:55,220 --> 00:21:58,940 And I think that AI is a super helpful tool, but at the same time at the end of the day, 458 00:21:58,940 --> 00:22:03,180 you can't talk to AI after and be like, Hey, I had a really great time with you. 459 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:07,460 I'm really glad that like we're friends and like we're able to do this as friends and 460 00:22:07,460 --> 00:22:08,460 like hang out together. 461 00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:09,460 Like that's not fair. 462 00:22:09,460 --> 00:22:10,460 It's not a being. 463 00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:11,460 It's not. 464 00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:12,460 Yeah. 465 00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:13,460 I don't really get that. 466 00:22:13,460 --> 00:22:15,740 Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm fashion. 467 00:22:15,740 --> 00:22:16,740 I'm an AI conservative. 468 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:21,180 What's interesting though is that like looking at the people who have created AI, like I 469 00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:23,020 would be incredibly proud. 470 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:27,700 Like to see that like if I was the creator of chat, GBT or one of the co-founders of 471 00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:32,060 chat, GBT to see what it's capable of, like that to me in and of itself is a big enough 472 00:22:32,060 --> 00:22:33,060 act of creation. 473 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:34,060 They're like, cool. 474 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:35,380 I'm, I'm settled. 475 00:22:35,380 --> 00:22:36,380 I'm good. 476 00:22:36,380 --> 00:22:38,620 I don't need to make another thing for the rest of my fucking life. 477 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:40,100 You know, that's it. 478 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:43,340 I don't think I would ever be removed enough from that to be like, well, I don't really 479 00:22:43,340 --> 00:22:45,780 feel like I've, I've made something here. 480 00:22:45,780 --> 00:22:46,780 A hundred percent. 481 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:48,620 AI is incredibly impressive. 482 00:22:48,620 --> 00:22:53,740 I'm not dogging that, but like also I've seen enough sci-fi movies. 483 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:55,620 Like, I mean, that's why we make them. 484 00:22:55,620 --> 00:22:59,180 That, that's, that's the whole, like we, we make, you remember that Disney channel movie, 485 00:22:59,180 --> 00:23:01,340 the original Disney channel movie, smart house. 486 00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:02,340 Yeah. 487 00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:03,340 Yeah. 488 00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:04,340 Yeah. 489 00:23:04,340 --> 00:23:06,340 So I mean it's like monster house, but like instead of it being like magic, it's like 490 00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:07,740 our house, I live in a smart house. 491 00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:11,420 Our thermostat is controlled by, like by our fucking Echo Dot. 492 00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:12,580 I just thought about getting a Google Nest for our house actually. 493 00:23:12,580 --> 00:23:17,060 I listen, I'm not going to be mad at that only because it would be convenient. 494 00:23:17,060 --> 00:23:18,340 It would be convenient. 495 00:23:18,340 --> 00:23:20,140 And also our house, they can't take us down. 496 00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:23,420 Our house was built in the 1930s and it's not been renovated since. 497 00:23:23,420 --> 00:23:24,420 Like at our house. 498 00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:25,940 There's not a lick and nothing for y'all. 499 00:23:25,940 --> 00:23:29,300 There is, there's nothing for like technology to connect to. 500 00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:31,260 We are, it is so old fashioned. 501 00:23:31,260 --> 00:23:32,260 Okay. 502 00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:34,420 So moving forward on the list that's at GBT. 503 00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:37,940 So kindly provided us with random encounters. 504 00:23:37,940 --> 00:23:42,260 AI can assist and generate a random encounters during travel or exploration, ensuring that 505 00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:45,180 they are balanced and fit the overall theme of the campaign. 506 00:23:45,180 --> 00:23:49,180 I think if there was some sort of note taking system that I could upload like all of my 507 00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:54,660 notes to, and then it was also like the back end of it was AI generation. 508 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:58,260 Like if I could have all my notes in one place, like the note taking app that I use currently 509 00:23:58,260 --> 00:23:59,260 is obsidian. 510 00:23:59,260 --> 00:24:00,260 Can't remember that enough. 511 00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:04,300 It takes a long time to get a hold of, but that's what tutorial videos are for. 512 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:05,300 I use obsidian. 513 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:09,180 If obsidian had a back end that said, you can ask me any question based off all the information 514 00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:12,580 that you've provided me and I will only respond with what you've given me. 515 00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:16,700 And I could say, okay, give me an encounter based off everything you know about my NPCs 516 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:21,460 today or only based on notes one through three, not four, five and six as we haven't gotten 517 00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:23,020 there. 518 00:24:23,020 --> 00:24:26,180 And then like that, I don't know, that encounter needs to be on the road. 519 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:30,740 It needs to use X amount of forces and the CRs and the monsters can only be so on so forth. 520 00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:31,740 You kidding me? 521 00:24:31,740 --> 00:24:32,740 Yeah. 522 00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:34,740 I think that would be cool. 523 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:37,020 That would be because then it's not just like a random half-assed AI encounter. 524 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:42,380 It is an encounter that is tailored to my players, to my world that is bound and themed. 525 00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:45,460 See, I think that's one of the places where I think that you can go crazy with AI. 526 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:51,620 I think when it comes to like, I know, I know, I know, I know this man is so pro AI. 527 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:52,620 It scares me sometimes. 528 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:53,620 I'm waiting for it, man. 529 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:55,620 He is like, I just exciting. 530 00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:59,380 It's like the next frontier and the creation of like fucking people, man. 531 00:24:59,380 --> 00:25:00,540 No, I get it. 532 00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:03,820 It just, I, call me a conservative here. 533 00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:05,940 I don't ever call me a conservative. 534 00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:08,420 In this moment, you're being a little conservative. 535 00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:09,420 Okay. 536 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:10,420 Maybe. 537 00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:13,460 But that's because- Your work children's children are going to look back and go, she 538 00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:14,460 was nutty. 539 00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:16,460 She was so behind the times. 540 00:25:16,460 --> 00:25:18,260 Yeah, for sure. 541 00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:19,260 Yep. 542 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:24,540 She was talking on our robot overlords from the beginning and that's why we're poor now 543 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:27,340 because they just, they remembered that. 544 00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:30,060 That's why we're poor for no other reason. 545 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:31,060 Like difficulty adjustment. 546 00:25:31,060 --> 00:25:34,300 That's- I don't know what that means. 547 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:35,500 So this is crazy. 548 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:39,740 AI algorithm can analyze player performance and adjust the difficulty of encounters in 549 00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:42,460 real time to provide a more challenging and engaging experience. 550 00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:43,460 Okay. 551 00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:45,420 My question with this, how involved- Nuts. 552 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:46,580 That's nuts. 553 00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:48,540 Is AI taking notes? 554 00:25:48,540 --> 00:25:51,980 Like if that's a thing, I will say, I will say, if there was an AI that we could set up 555 00:25:51,980 --> 00:25:55,020 at the table that would take notes for me. 556 00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:56,140 I think that might exist. 557 00:25:56,140 --> 00:25:57,180 I'm so serious. 558 00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:58,180 Look it up. 559 00:25:58,180 --> 00:26:02,900 If there was like a little, okay, so anybody that's lived in the world, you know how small 560 00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:04,100 an echo dot is. 561 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:07,100 If I could put an echo dot- Who's lived in the world? 562 00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:11,820 Well, today, in 2023, if I could put an echo dot, something the size of echo dot in the 563 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:17,060 center of my table and then have it listen to all of my sessions, take notes for me and 564 00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:20,220 do all of this, I would buy it tomorrow. 565 00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:22,740 If I was in broke, I would buy it tomorrow. 566 00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:23,740 I would not be mad at something to take notes. 567 00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:25,220 Because then it takes away the note-taking. 568 00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:27,220 Because I know damn well- And it analyzes your performance. 569 00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:28,940 It can learn how you like to play. 570 00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:31,740 It can learn how you like to build your character. 571 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:34,460 I don't want it to know that about me. 572 00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:36,580 Hey, this shit sucks. 573 00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:38,940 Do you have something you want to send in to make it better? 574 00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:42,820 Criticisms, topics you'd like to see discussed, or an advertisement you'd like to run. 575 00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:44,900 Maybe you even want to sponsor an episode. 576 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:54,260 If so, shoot us a message at mc460 at evansville.edu or DM us on Instagram at crescent magazine. 577 00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:57,180 Or we'll never get better like these fucking guys. 578 00:26:57,180 --> 00:27:00,660 But it's, and that's the scary thing about AI is it's kind of all or nothing. 579 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:02,780 This is where I'm a little conservative with you too. 580 00:27:02,780 --> 00:27:07,380 It's like it either knows everything or it knows like very little. 581 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:08,780 And there's no in between. 582 00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:11,300 Because the difference between very little and everything is infinite. 583 00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:12,300 Yeah. 584 00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:16,020 And so you will have an infinitely stupid robot if you limit it to what it can and can't 585 00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:17,020 know. 586 00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:19,460 And I will say that's one of those things where like I always joke because our house 587 00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:22,940 does have so many Echo dots that I know that Amazon is listening to every single thing 588 00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:23,940 I say. 589 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:24,940 I know. 590 00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:25,940 Our phones are listening to everything we say. 591 00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:27,220 Yeah, that's not a conspiracy. 592 00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:28,220 I did like... 593 00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:29,380 The biggest commodity in the world is data. 594 00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:30,380 Yeah. 595 00:27:30,380 --> 00:27:35,980 I did one of my final projects in my college level speech and communication class when 596 00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:40,540 I was in high school on surveillance state basically. 597 00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:42,380 Like our phones are listening. 598 00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:44,340 That's not a secret. 599 00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:47,780 Literally there's something that just came out with a senator basically wrote a letter. 600 00:27:47,780 --> 00:27:48,780 No, yeah. 601 00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:49,780 I saw that shit. 602 00:27:49,780 --> 00:27:50,780 That was nuts. 603 00:27:50,780 --> 00:27:51,780 So basically the world government... 604 00:27:51,780 --> 00:27:52,780 Like all your push notifications are... 605 00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:53,780 Yeah. 606 00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:56,340 All your push notifications are being tracked by world governments. 607 00:27:56,340 --> 00:28:00,940 That is not like a conspiracy that is true that has been proven or leaked. 608 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:01,940 Or leaked. 609 00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:06,540 And that's one of those things where I'm also kind of like, you know, what is Bezos 610 00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:11,620 going to do with just hearing me talk about Dungeons and Dragons for hours on end? 611 00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:12,620 Yeah. 612 00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:15,140 But at the same time, I don't want to give him any... 613 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:16,140 I don't... 614 00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:17,140 No, fuck you. 615 00:28:17,140 --> 00:28:18,140 I mean, AI... 616 00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:19,140 This is interesting. 617 00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:23,500 We talked about this in my sociology class, like the second to last class before we ended 618 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:24,500 it. 619 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:25,500 It was all about technology and science. 620 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:33,300 So like science is like learning like the rules and sort of laws of the world as a whole 621 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:37,740 and then sort of translating that into things that we can use. 622 00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:38,740 The... 623 00:28:38,740 --> 00:28:43,580 Then putting those laws and those rules into use is what we like to call technology and 624 00:28:43,580 --> 00:28:47,460 it's all about predicting the outcomes and patterns of people. 625 00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:53,300 So if you look at it from that standpoint, all AI is trying to do is learn how to essentially 626 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:57,900 predict everything we're going to do and then provide us with a service so that we don't 627 00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:01,340 have to do it anymore, which is fucking like that's up or not up. 628 00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:02,340 Sorry. 629 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:03,340 That's... 630 00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:04,340 Oh my God, wrong Pixar movie. 631 00:29:04,340 --> 00:29:05,340 That's Wally. 632 00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:06,340 Yeah. 633 00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:07,340 That's fat people in chairs. 634 00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:08,340 Wally. 635 00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:09,340 Yeah. 636 00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:10,340 Like that is jelly... 637 00:29:10,340 --> 00:29:11,340 Beautiful movie by the way. 638 00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:12,340 One of Pixar's best. 639 00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:13,340 That is jelly bones. 640 00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:14,340 The robots know what you want to drink. 641 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:15,340 They take you where you want to go. 642 00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:16,340 I don't like that. 643 00:29:16,340 --> 00:29:18,900 They do everything for you and that's where I'm a little against it too because I'm like, 644 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:20,620 what the fuck are we going to have left to do? 645 00:29:20,620 --> 00:29:22,740 But funny enough, funny enough. 646 00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:26,260 The basis for the campaign that we're playing in, the whole reason that superpowers emerge 647 00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:31,300 is because the AI robot chips that everyone walks around with removed the body's need 648 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:33,140 to do anything. 649 00:29:33,140 --> 00:29:35,860 It took over the biological functions. 650 00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:40,100 So then the body was just like, cool, we're going to start mutating, man. 651 00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:41,660 It's insane. 652 00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:44,980 It's such an interesting thing and just like the concept of it in general. 653 00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:47,660 And it's also one of those things where like I'm going back and forth because I'm like, 654 00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:51,940 do we really want to let AI be the thing that is producing music and art and literature 655 00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:58,180 and the human spirit and then we are struggling as human beings to like get through these 656 00:29:58,180 --> 00:30:02,260 minimum wage labor intensive jobs that AI could do. 657 00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:03,620 Yeah, 100%. 658 00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:07,420 But instead of us getting to be able to create and do those human things. 659 00:30:07,420 --> 00:30:10,900 I think the only way that AI really, really, really ends up working for everybody and this 660 00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:14,580 is so far removed from D&D at this point but it's like in a fucking utopia. 661 00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:18,100 That's the only way that we really get away with this whole AI thing, Scott Free. 662 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:23,540 Yeah, AI manages to solve world hunger and achieve world peace and basically provide 663 00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:25,940 us with little biomes to go around and have fun in. 664 00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:28,380 Well, that body has to pay for anything. 665 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:32,220 Everyone like, well, that's the premise for like every movie where AI kills everyone. 666 00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:35,460 Yes, but what if we could achieve that and it worked? 667 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:38,540 I mean, hell yeah, I'd be like, I do it in a heartbeat. 668 00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:40,420 But no, here's what comes with that. 669 00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:46,980 The removal of the human experience struggling in trauma and like having to do things for 670 00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:51,100 yourself is such a core part of who we are as like human beings. 671 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:55,700 AI is essentially positioning itself to remove that. 672 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:57,260 I don't, and that's what scares me. 673 00:30:57,260 --> 00:31:03,100 But you can't tell me that you would not choose world B if world B was Earth but like 674 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:04,900 perfectly taken care of. 675 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,660 All the animals are chilled, the environment's fixed. 676 00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:10,580 You can eat, drink, whatever you want at any point in time. 677 00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:13,620 You can go anywhere in the world whenever you would like to do it. 678 00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:14,860 You can do your hobbies. 679 00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:16,460 You don't have to work a job. 680 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:17,940 You can go into fucking space. 681 00:31:17,940 --> 00:31:19,460 Doesn't matter. 682 00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:24,260 That as opposed to struggling and dealing with like the human experience, are you kidding 683 00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:26,100 me? 684 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:30,020 Because the first one is the world where we still have like world hunger. 685 00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:33,620 Yeah, it's, this is messy. 686 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:34,620 It is. 687 00:31:34,620 --> 00:31:38,660 And that's why I love talking about it because it's so messy, man. 688 00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:42,820 God, because no, because I'm going to sound like like an awful person if I say that I 689 00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:45,260 want the world with like, with struggle. 690 00:31:45,260 --> 00:31:46,780 And I don't mean that in a negative way. 691 00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:51,540 I just, I think that's something that connects as me as a person who struggles deeply with 692 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:53,940 a lot of different things constantly. 693 00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:56,700 It's also the difference between the world that we know and the world that we don't. 694 00:31:56,700 --> 00:32:00,020 You only know one of these experiences deeply. 695 00:32:00,020 --> 00:32:02,660 Like I don't know what it's like to not. 696 00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:03,660 Nobody does. 697 00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:04,660 Nobody does. 698 00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:09,100 Like respectfully, nobody knows what it is like to live in world B. So it is impossible 699 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:12,300 to say, this is a relict of philosophy and the logic of it is coming out. 700 00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:13,740 It is impossible to say. 701 00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:16,820 Coming out now like it hasn't been in the fucking forefront this whole time. 702 00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:22,180 It is impossible to say that anybody would truly prefer world B, basing it on experience 703 00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:25,860 alone because nobody's ever been able to experience world B. 704 00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:26,860 Yeah. 705 00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:27,860 And it's doesn't happen. 706 00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:29,980 I mean, it's how fucking communes turn into cults, man. 707 00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:32,180 People are like, yeah, that'll work in theory. 708 00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:34,820 And then they get out there and they're having. 709 00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:36,620 You can live in all these school buses together. 710 00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:41,140 And then everyone's pulling money into the one guy that did it all and cool it's getting 711 00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:46,180 hand out the next day like it's just it spirals, man, but because of human error. 712 00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:48,180 If we can remove human error, maybe we could achieve. 713 00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:51,060 If we remove human error, we are removing human. 714 00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:52,060 Yep. 715 00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:54,660 I mean, that's it goes back to the whole removing the experience thing. 716 00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:57,380 So interesting kind of a fun segue. 717 00:32:57,380 --> 00:33:00,460 The next one on here is voice activated gameplay, which I think could be sick. 718 00:33:00,460 --> 00:33:04,380 So integrating voice recognition technology allows players to interact with the game using 719 00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:07,860 natural language commands, making the experience more, more immersive. 720 00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:11,620 So I want to spend this in a way that you would have a hard time saying no. 721 00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:12,700 So let's say that our basement. 722 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:13,700 Yeah, you're gonna have to try. 723 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:18,380 What if we had a table downstairs, the whole table was touchscreen, like the full thing. 724 00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:21,580 It is a full, I mean, with like the little cup holders and stuff like that's made out 725 00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:22,780 of wood and fancy or whatever. 726 00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:24,500 So you have a place to put your shit. 727 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:28,660 But the whole table itself is just like one big as touchscreen. 728 00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:31,740 And you could say or I could say, let's say I take it away from players so that it's 729 00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:32,740 a little more equal. 730 00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:37,300 I could say to the TV, zoom out on this particular map. 731 00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:38,940 And I, and like show them this area. 732 00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:43,060 And then it could then generate you a whole village that looks really nice. 733 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:44,740 The graphics are really cool. 734 00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:49,580 And we could see in real time where you are, where you're going, the travel distance, how 735 00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:52,660 many, how much time in game that's going to take. 736 00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:54,180 Okay, that would be cool. 737 00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:55,860 Wouldn't that be sick if I could go. 738 00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:56,860 That's not what I interpret that as. 739 00:33:56,860 --> 00:34:00,300 I went, hey Alexa, show them what the world looks like. 740 00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:05,620 Hey Alexa, generally pull up encounter B bandits A. 741 00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:09,380 And then all of a sudden the table changes and we're exactly where we need to be real 742 00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:10,380 time. 743 00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:11,380 No prep, no nothing. 744 00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:12,380 I'm okay with that. 745 00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:13,380 That's where I take it though. 746 00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:15,460 No, no, no, no, let me read. 747 00:34:15,460 --> 00:34:16,460 Voice recognition technology. 748 00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:17,460 Uh huh. 749 00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:20,060 To interact with the game using natural language commands. 750 00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:22,220 I also, I just, I, uh. 751 00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:23,220 Yeah. 752 00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:24,220 No, I get it. 753 00:34:24,220 --> 00:34:25,220 I get it. 754 00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:26,220 Character behavior modeling. 755 00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:28,100 Now this one I think is little freaking freaky. 756 00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:32,980 A.I. can model the behavior of NPCs to make them more realistic and responsive. 757 00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:37,500 This includes predicting how NPCs would react to certain character actions based on the 758 00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:38,940 personalities and motivations. 759 00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:41,980 My counter to this being scary, Baldur's Gate 3. 760 00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:43,700 No, yeah. 761 00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:45,540 We are already living in that world. 762 00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:46,540 Yeah. 763 00:34:46,540 --> 00:34:51,420 The only difference between Baldur's Gate 3 and A.I. is that Baldur's Gate 3 is cool 764 00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:52,420 in a video game. 765 00:34:52,420 --> 00:34:53,740 And it was also written. 766 00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:54,740 And there's a certain. 767 00:34:54,740 --> 00:34:55,740 It was written by human beings. 768 00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:59,380 It has a limited number of options it can choose based off of the options you've already 769 00:34:59,380 --> 00:35:00,380 put into the world. 770 00:35:00,380 --> 00:35:01,380 Yes. 771 00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:03,900 A.I. is going to be what's selecting those. 772 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:08,140 I'm fine with A.I. selecting things that I've already been. 773 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:09,980 Do you are pro A.I. with shackles? 774 00:35:09,980 --> 00:35:10,980 Huh? 775 00:35:10,980 --> 00:35:12,620 You are pro A.I. with shackles. 776 00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:13,620 Yes. 777 00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:14,620 You are pro A.I. with shackles. 778 00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:15,620 I am pro A.I. as a. 779 00:35:15,620 --> 00:35:17,020 A.I. has one box. 780 00:35:17,020 --> 00:35:19,820 It can only do things in that box that we tell it it can do. 781 00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:20,820 Yes. 782 00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:23,740 I am A.I. as a tool, not as a creator. 783 00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:24,740 Right. 784 00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:25,740 Right, right, right. 785 00:35:25,740 --> 00:35:27,460 I mean, yeah, that's, and that's the one thing that we've never been able to achieve. 786 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:28,460 I mean, really. 787 00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:30,340 I mean, we kind of do it with like manufacturing robots and stuff. 788 00:35:30,340 --> 00:35:33,100 I mean, that's how you get your fancy Amazon packages. 789 00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:34,780 Robots in a fucking warehouse somewhere. 790 00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:36,060 I'm not ordering a bunch of Amazon though. 791 00:35:36,060 --> 00:35:41,460 Put it together and box it up and then it tells the fucking shipping company where it's 792 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:42,460 got to go. 793 00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:43,460 Yeah. 794 00:35:43,460 --> 00:35:46,900 And then it gets put on and some guy gets out of his little fancy Amazon van and then 795 00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:48,180 puts it on your fucking door. 796 00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:50,340 I'm okay with that. 797 00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:53,580 That's that's something that we created creating something though. 798 00:35:53,580 --> 00:35:58,780 Yeah, but there's a difference between that and it like creating a story when part of 799 00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:02,380 the reason that I love A.I. is because you get to tell the story with other people. 800 00:36:02,380 --> 00:36:04,620 Like that's why I that what I love. 801 00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:05,620 I don't know if I said with A.I. 802 00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:08,180 Yeah, you said that was like that's not fully at all. 803 00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:12,820 Not when I met with D and D is I love creating a story with other people and when you take 804 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:15,380 the people out of it, it gets fucked. 805 00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:17,380 Fuck this next one. 806 00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:18,380 Absolutely not. 807 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:19,380 Rule enforcement. 808 00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:20,380 A.I. 809 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:21,900 No, you want to see an Echo Dot get punted. 810 00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:27,260 You want to see real time assistance to the DM and players in interpreting and applying 811 00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:29,100 game rules consistently. 812 00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:34,620 I get fucking up by a goddamn computer the way the way I am. 813 00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:35,860 Baldur's Gate already does it. 814 00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:37,420 Baldur's Gate already does it. 815 00:36:37,420 --> 00:36:38,420 Fucking bad. 816 00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:39,940 I want to know why he does it. 817 00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:43,700 I've told Robert this and I will tell y'all now the reason I do not own Baldur's Gate 818 00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:49,580 3 other than money is because I am is because I'm going to get so sucked into that motherfucker 819 00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:51,580 that people will not see me for days. 820 00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:53,300 I have Baldur's Gate 3. 821 00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:56,340 This is crazy to think about Baldur's Gate 3 is the worst a game like that will ever 822 00:36:56,340 --> 00:36:57,780 be. 823 00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:58,780 Stop saying that. 824 00:36:58,780 --> 00:37:01,940 That is the worst a game like that will ever be. 825 00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:02,940 Here's the thing. 826 00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:04,940 I'm someone who gets so sucked into worlds. 827 00:37:04,940 --> 00:37:05,940 GTA 6 comes out in 2025. 828 00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:10,740 That's basically a real world simulator where you get to just be a fucking criminal. 829 00:37:10,740 --> 00:37:14,180 You talk about how problematic that one is? 830 00:37:14,180 --> 00:37:15,180 Deeply. 831 00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:16,180 Uh huh. 832 00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:20,980 It's so fucked up and also the fact that it took that long is also like the fact that 833 00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:22,540 it took that long to make the new. 834 00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:23,540 5 and 6? 835 00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:24,540 10 years? 836 00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:25,540 Yes. 837 00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:27,460 It's basically the Sims but crime. 838 00:37:27,460 --> 00:37:28,460 Yeah. 839 00:37:28,460 --> 00:37:29,460 I love the Sims. 840 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:32,780 I have to moderate the Sims because I get so into it which is why I don't play Baldur's 841 00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:33,780 Gate 3. 842 00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:34,780 I'll be there. 843 00:37:34,780 --> 00:37:35,780 I'm not. 844 00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:37,500 We've already talked about the next one. 845 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:39,380 This is Firstful Game Master. 846 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:42,540 Everything I've said if anybody's following the pieces here what I'm basically advocating 847 00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:45,380 for is something that can be me without me having to be there. 848 00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:47,820 So question for you. 849 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:51,540 I mean I wouldn't take that deal but that's with everything that I would like it to be 850 00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:52,540 able to do. 851 00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:53,540 I am taking that deal. 852 00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:54,540 That's my question for you. 853 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:56,660 So would you then be a player at the table? 854 00:37:56,660 --> 00:38:00,500 What would you do if you weren't just sitting there and you program an AI and then you let 855 00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:01,500 the AI run its course? 856 00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:03,220 You then become a director of a play. 857 00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:04,220 That would be so cool though. 858 00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:05,380 Wouldn't it look okay for me? 859 00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:06,820 I think it would be interesting. 860 00:38:06,820 --> 00:38:10,300 If I could plug in all the information about the current campaign we're in and I could 861 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:14,660 give it to a robot and I said okay you're the DM now I'm gonna go be a player at the 862 00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:15,660 table. 863 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:17,860 You know how sick that would be for me though? 864 00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:21,700 To be able to play in my own campaign real time. 865 00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:22,700 You know? 866 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:23,700 No. 867 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:27,980 I'm gonna be a little like man behind the curtain because I know what some of the plot 868 00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:28,980 hooks are gonna be. 869 00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:32,580 I understand that more than anything else that you've said because we've talked about 870 00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:33,580 this before. 871 00:38:33,580 --> 00:38:36,700 I'm someone who creates worlds but is too scared to be a DM because I've got too many 872 00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:37,700 control issues. 873 00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:41,100 But at the end of the day it's the same way where when I write plays and when I write 874 00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:43,540 movies and things like that and I write books. 875 00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:48,140 I'm imagining myself playing the main character and I'm like I could never publish this because 876 00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:51,980 I'm so attached to this character that I don't want anyone else to play them but also I don't 877 00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:58,220 want to pull Lin-Manuel Miranda and star in my own work because that's gonna look like 878 00:38:58,220 --> 00:38:59,220 I'm cheating. 879 00:38:59,220 --> 00:39:02,620 Which for ever being anything my man's ever played or put out. 880 00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:03,620 He's incredibly talented. 881 00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:04,780 He can do whatever he wants. 882 00:39:04,780 --> 00:39:05,780 I want that to be known. 883 00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:06,780 Strategic planning. 884 00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:08,260 This is kind of back to the combat encounter thing. 885 00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:12,020 AI can assist players in strategic planning during combat encounters suggesting optimal 886 00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:16,060 moves, tactics and possible outcomes based on the rules of the game. 887 00:39:16,060 --> 00:39:19,140 So essentially what that is is Baldur's Gate 3. 888 00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:20,260 You have an NPC. 889 00:39:20,260 --> 00:39:21,340 You set it to auto. 890 00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:25,220 It makes all of its own decisions based on what it thinks the best move is. 891 00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:27,340 We've already seen this in video games folks. 892 00:39:27,340 --> 00:39:28,580 We've seen it in chess. 893 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:32,820 You can play against bots in chess that are capable of beating the world's best chess 894 00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:33,820 players. 895 00:39:33,820 --> 00:39:34,820 We've already seen that. 896 00:39:34,820 --> 00:39:39,500 The only difference between that and this is you get to see it live and in person. 897 00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:40,500 You know? 898 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:41,500 You get to interact with one. 899 00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:42,500 I get to talk to you. 900 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:46,260 See I'm more okay when it comes to like. 901 00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:47,260 Campaign analytics is nuts. 902 00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:48,780 I'm gonna hit this next one real quick. 903 00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:49,780 Campaign analytics? 904 00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:53,860 AI tools can analyze player preferences and actions to provide insights into what aspects 905 00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:55,460 of the campaign are most engaging. 906 00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:56,900 Helping the DM tailor the experience. 907 00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,060 So we could make D&D wrapped. 908 00:39:59,060 --> 00:40:00,300 Like Spotify wrapped. 909 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:01,300 But I'm a sucker for. 910 00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:02,300 How many players? 911 00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:03,900 We were talking about this the other night. 912 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,340 Baldur's Gate 3 has already put out that fucking statistic though. 913 00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:08,020 How many players have chosen to pet the dog? 914 00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:10,140 How many players have chosen to be like Chaotic Evil? 915 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:11,420 We talked about this the other night. 916 00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:12,420 Crazy. 917 00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:14,940 We were talking about analytics and stuff because I'm a sucker for analytics because 918 00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:16,940 I've been someone who's been on social media. 919 00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:17,940 Everyone loves a box man. 920 00:40:17,940 --> 00:40:20,580 I've been on social media for so long and I've looked at my numbers and I've like 921 00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:22,500 done social media managing and blah blah blah. 922 00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:24,780 I'm a sucker for analytics. 923 00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:28,620 Anything that will give me analytics I will like fucking sell my soul for it. 924 00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:30,660 And I recognize that it's a problem. 925 00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:31,660 But like. 926 00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:32,660 I love. 927 00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:35,580 That's the I would allow AI at the table if it meant that I could get analytics. 928 00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:37,300 I love its little message here at the end. 929 00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:42,060 It's important to note that while AI can enhance the D&D experience the role of human creativity, 930 00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:45,220 storytelling and social interaction remain central to the game. 931 00:40:45,220 --> 00:40:49,140 AI should be seen as a tool to support and augment the efforts of players and DMs rather 932 00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:50,140 than replace them. 933 00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:52,780 That's what I've been saying. 934 00:40:52,780 --> 00:40:57,260 And I would love to think that it can continue to stay a tool forever but it's just not. 935 00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:58,260 It's not going to. 936 00:40:58,260 --> 00:41:00,900 I mean it's already out there as a DM. 937 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:01,900 It exists fully. 938 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:02,900 Yeah. 939 00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:05,860 I mean it doesn't exist to the level that we're talking about here but it's pretty goddamn 940 00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:06,860 close. 941 00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:07,860 You know what I'm saying? 942 00:41:07,860 --> 00:41:08,860 It's freaky. 943 00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:10,220 That's just the 15 things. 944 00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:17,220 And I gave it a, well like what? 945 00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:20,060 I said how can AI be used for D&D? 946 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:24,540 And every topic we've talked about has been generated by AI. 947 00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:26,820 It gave me 15 things to talk about. 948 00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:27,820 All were very in depth. 949 00:41:27,820 --> 00:41:30,740 I didn't think about three quarters of them. 950 00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:33,340 They gave me that shit in like three seconds. 951 00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:34,340 Yeah. 952 00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:35,340 Isn't it crazy? 953 00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:36,840 While we live in men. 954 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,100 It's scary dude. 955 00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:41,140 It's. 956 00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:44,140 Any final thoughts? 957 00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:47,340 I think AI can be, I'm going to talk for a minute about image generating. 958 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:48,340 Yeah go ahead. 959 00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:51,300 This is one of the, it's number four channel is, Generative Art. 960 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:54,580 Oh I'm so glad I have permission from ChatGPT to talk about. 961 00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:56,660 ChatGPT is already one step ahead of you. 962 00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:57,660 I don't like it. 963 00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:59,660 I don't fucking like it. 964 00:41:59,660 --> 00:42:01,340 I could hit a computer. 965 00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:03,420 If it's me versus a computer I'm going to win. 966 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:06,260 I could ask the computer how to pass the bar exam man. 967 00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:08,900 Like that's. 968 00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:09,900 It's crazy. 969 00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:11,260 My life is going to get so easy. 970 00:42:11,260 --> 00:42:12,620 Anyway let's continue. 971 00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:17,660 So I've been using image generation a lot because as someone who like, it took me wrong. 972 00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:18,660 I draw. 973 00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:20,020 I like, I do all the art shit. 974 00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:26,140 Like I feel like I have to being someone like literally involved in the arts. 975 00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:29,260 It takes so long and I'm not very good at it. 976 00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:32,380 And I'm a very visual person. 977 00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:35,820 As someone who's also been kind of like entrenched in like fandom spaces and fandom culture since 978 00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:36,820 I was younger. 979 00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:38,820 Yeah I definitely do digital art man. 980 00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:40,900 It's incredible. 981 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:47,460 So being able to, I will say this, being able to put what your character looks like into 982 00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:49,260 a image generator. 983 00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:51,220 I've been using Dolly 3. 984 00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:52,220 So sick. 985 00:42:52,220 --> 00:42:53,340 Which is found on Bing. 986 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:57,580 Which one of the things I do like about it is they say that they like, every artist that 987 00:42:57,580 --> 00:43:00,180 is alive is like given an option. 988 00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:02,100 Do you want your art to be able to participate in this? 989 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:03,100 You can mark an answer no. 990 00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:06,540 And it will block generations from artists that are currently living. 991 00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:07,540 I like that. 992 00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:08,540 Pretty cool. 993 00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:10,140 I've been opt in, opt out. 994 00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:18,420 But however, I recognize, I don't think that any AI art should be published. 995 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:19,420 Interesting. 996 00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:22,540 I don't think it should be something that you can put out there for profit. 997 00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:25,300 I don't think it's something that a person should be able to put out. 998 00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:30,020 I do think it is something that we should be putting out in archiving to follow. 999 00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:32,540 To like to follow its journey the same way. 1000 00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:33,940 Yeah I think that's fine. 1001 00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:39,260 But I think if I am writing a, for example, I've written like a children's book. 1002 00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:40,700 Which is true. 1003 00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:42,740 I can't sit there and do all the illustrations. 1004 00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:46,820 I just simply, I don't have the time and I'm not like, I don't have the capabilities of 1005 00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:47,820 doing that. 1006 00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:51,540 I'm also someone who's in a financial spot where I cannot afford to pay an artist to 1007 00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:53,740 come do this. 1008 00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:55,580 If I had the money I would, but I do not. 1009 00:43:55,580 --> 00:44:01,420 If I have an AI to all of my artwork for me, I don't think that I should be able to publish 1010 00:44:01,420 --> 00:44:04,100 that book and make profit off of it. 1011 00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:08,020 But who put in the prompts to get the images? 1012 00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:10,660 That's, I'm not saying that there's not work put involved. 1013 00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:11,740 That's where I would push back. 1014 00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:16,060 I think that you should be able to publish it, but I think it all needs to be with the 1015 00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:18,220 caveat of what it was made with. 1016 00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:20,220 I don't know. 1017 00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:22,340 That's my stance. 1018 00:44:22,340 --> 00:44:28,380 AI, I look at AI in the same way that some, like, again going back to my sociology class. 1019 00:44:28,380 --> 00:44:32,740 The one thing that technology has done for, speaking of technology in terms of the 21st 1020 00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:36,780 century, technology has been with us since we started using rocks to start fires. 1021 00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:38,460 Like that is a form of technology. 1022 00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:43,300 When I'm referring to technology specifically in the 21st century, I'm talking about smartphones, 1023 00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:49,980 I'm talking about infrastructure, I'm talking about AI, obviously, in this particular conversation. 1024 00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:55,820 Well one thing that technology has allowed us as people to do is raise the bar in terms 1025 00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:59,140 of the minimum human experience. 1026 00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:04,380 That means for poverty, that means for world hunger, that means for joblessness, that means 1027 00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:07,100 for homelessness. 1028 00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:09,260 It is often seen as a tool of the elite, and it is. 1029 00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:11,220 It's created by the elite for the elite. 1030 00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:13,020 Hard stance, I stay by it. 1031 00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:17,420 But because it is so publicly available and because it is becoming more and more common 1032 00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:21,220 for even the poorest countries in the world to have access to it, it is allowing those 1033 00:45:21,220 --> 00:45:23,620 communities to raise themselves up. 1034 00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:28,580 And I think if AI allows somebody who is an incredibly talented writer in a third world 1035 00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:33,260 country to generate all of the pictures in a book, and all they have to do is put the 1036 00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:37,740 words to it, I would not tell them no on publishing it if it means that they could get themselves 1037 00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:42,740 out of that situation or introduce their artistry to the world. 1038 00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:47,780 And that's where I think the case for AI and being able to publish it becomes really difficult 1039 00:45:47,780 --> 00:45:49,500 to say no to. 1040 00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:53,580 Because if it's the key for somebody getting out of an impoverished situation or putting 1041 00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:56,940 their work on a public scale, who am I to tell them no? 1042 00:45:56,940 --> 00:45:59,220 I understand that. 1043 00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:06,220 However, I think that it's still a tricky thing because I think there's also, you know, 1044 00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:10,660 AI art is generated from other people's real life artwork. 1045 00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:14,740 And I think that there is definitely something to be said, and this is kind of like a caveat 1046 00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:19,460 that we talked about earlier when I was like, this is a separate conversation of like, I, 1047 00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:25,020 there is no world in which every single artist whose art has been used to influence an AI 1048 00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:27,540 has given permission. 1049 00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:30,420 And I think that art is something that can also, and it's one of those tricky things 1050 00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:34,060 where, and this is like something that I've had personal experience with and gotten into 1051 00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:39,340 literal fights and lost friendships over the idea of when you create something, you create 1052 00:46:39,340 --> 00:46:44,580 an idea, you create art, you create a concept and you put that out there and you put that 1053 00:46:44,580 --> 00:46:47,780 publicly. 1054 00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:48,780 What do you control? 1055 00:46:48,780 --> 00:46:49,780 I mean, nothing. 1056 00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:50,780 That's the thing. 1057 00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:51,780 Yeah. 1058 00:46:51,780 --> 00:46:53,460 Once it hits the public space, you control nothing. 1059 00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:54,460 It's tricky. 1060 00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:58,260 And this is coming from someone like, I'm going to use my own personal examples here. 1061 00:46:58,260 --> 00:47:03,580 I have mentioned before, social media creator, I've been on TikTok for a very long time. 1062 00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:08,700 I've made dozens of different videos that I've been very proud of that are completely 1063 00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:13,740 like creative videos that I've like created on my own original concepts, original costumes, 1064 00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:18,860 original like, like doing artwork for them and like doing a really cool setup. 1065 00:47:18,860 --> 00:47:23,740 And I've had those videos and those concepts stolen by creators that were bigger than me, 1066 00:47:23,740 --> 00:47:26,980 stolen by creators that were smaller than me, just recreate them. 1067 00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:31,160 And then they like hit that sweet spot in the algorithm and they go viral and they get 1068 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,460 money and they get credit and they get a following. 1069 00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:36,980 I did put that idea out in the space. 1070 00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:41,340 And once you put something out into the space, you no longer have control over it. 1071 00:47:41,340 --> 00:47:43,340 The space is a wild concept. 1072 00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:45,380 It is such a fucking tricky thing. 1073 00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:49,500 And that's where I'm also a little bit more sensitive is because I have seen my own personal 1074 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:55,180 art because that's what I think that my like my content is slash was in a way without trying 1075 00:47:55,180 --> 00:47:59,460 to sound too pretentious and seen that used in other ways. 1076 00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:02,220 And that's like, so it's an odd feeling. 1077 00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:06,220 And it's one of those things where it's like, I've created something for human consumption. 1078 00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:08,380 How do I feel about a robot using it? 1079 00:48:08,380 --> 00:48:09,380 Right. 1080 00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:11,980 So here's, here's where I feel like the other side of it comes from. 1081 00:48:11,980 --> 00:48:16,620 There is, there is nothing, there is no concept you have put on paper. 1082 00:48:16,620 --> 00:48:18,140 There is no video you have published. 1083 00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:22,580 There is no sentence you've said that has not come from all of the information you've 1084 00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:27,140 ever absorbed from every person in every piece of art, every technology, every concept that 1085 00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:31,820 they have put out for the same reason that we have copyright laws and music. 1086 00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:35,580 I think those copyright laws should exist for AI. 1087 00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:37,380 I think they should exist on TikTok. 1088 00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:40,740 I think they should exist on Instagram, Facebook, et cetera, whatever, whatever. 1089 00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:45,020 I 100% agree that we should be at least allowing people to put a stamp on this and say this 1090 00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:46,260 is mine. 1091 00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:50,500 What I think becomes difficult and why I don't think that we can put that same limit in law 1092 00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:55,140 and rule on AI is that eventually we are going to run out of riffs to write on a guitar. 1093 00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:57,980 We're going to run out of concepts for a movie to write. 1094 00:48:57,980 --> 00:49:00,940 We are going to run out of unique and original videos. 1095 00:49:00,940 --> 00:49:03,180 And at that point, what do we do as a human race? 1096 00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:05,260 That we say you are no longer allowed to put out music. 1097 00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:06,980 You are no longer allowed to make movies. 1098 00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:08,540 You are no longer allowed to speak. 1099 00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:10,860 You are no longer allowed to make videos. 1100 00:49:10,860 --> 00:49:13,980 At some point, it's going to fill up. 1101 00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:18,140 Everything is going to be a different iteration of something else that came before. 1102 00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:22,220 I think that's where we have to start looking at AI in a slightly different lens because 1103 00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:27,980 it is one of the few things that we know for certain has the potential to be unlimited 1104 00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:30,380 if we consider it unlimited in regards to it. 1105 00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:32,900 It has all of the information that we will ever have. 1106 00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:35,020 Sorry, I'm yawning. 1107 00:49:35,020 --> 00:49:36,020 Don't mind. 1108 00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:37,020 No, you're okay. 1109 00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:39,740 This is a very bogged down train of thought. 1110 00:49:39,740 --> 00:49:42,580 But I think we should always be able to put a stamp on something and say it's ours. 1111 00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:47,620 I don't necessarily agree that there should be a limit on what can be published and be 1112 00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:51,580 accessed by the public world than people should be able to profit off of. 1113 00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:54,620 I think every concept comes from another concept. 1114 00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:55,660 I agree with that. 1115 00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:58,540 I just think it is one of those things where it's messy because I think that it's also 1116 00:49:58,540 --> 00:50:02,980 something where if we start doing that and we start giving the green light, where do 1117 00:50:02,980 --> 00:50:04,140 we draw the line? 1118 00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:07,100 Because then you're looking at things like, are you going to tell me that movie studios 1119 00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:10,740 aren't going to realize that it's going to be, it is going to save the millions of dollars 1120 00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:17,060 in having to pay actual labor costs to actual artists for them to just have an AI do it. 1121 00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:21,060 And then you're looking at, and this is kind of something I said earlier, I don't want 1122 00:50:21,060 --> 00:50:24,260 to live in a world where we are allowing, and this is going to, once again, I'm going 1123 00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:25,380 to sound bigoted in 50 years. 1124 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:29,020 I don't want to live in a world where we are allowing robots to do the human things, 1125 00:50:29,020 --> 00:50:35,780 to create the art, the music, the things that influence and enrich the human experience 1126 00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:41,860 and reflect the human life and the human experience while we are doing the hard labor. 1127 00:50:41,860 --> 00:50:45,340 Because I think if we allow one person, like the person you were talking about who was 1128 00:50:45,340 --> 00:50:50,660 in a bad situation, who was going to be able to publish some AI art to get themselves out 1129 00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:56,220 of that situation, how do we draw the line between that person and also Disney's latest 1130 00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:58,220 movie being an AI-generated one? 1131 00:50:58,220 --> 00:51:02,740 How do we draw the line, I mean today with copyrighting when it comes to somebody verbatim, 1132 00:51:02,740 --> 00:51:06,540 shot for shot, taking a video of yours and doing it themselves versus a small creator 1133 00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:09,700 who's just genuinely inspired? 1134 00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:10,700 Where do you draw the line on that? 1135 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:11,700 Where do you draw the line on that? 1136 00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:12,700 Credit. 1137 00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:13,700 I mean that's where I personally drew the line on. 1138 00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:17,540 So I think if the AI is able to credit the sources that it's coming from or if we as 1139 00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:22,900 a human race can acknowledge that it's general credit, is humanity as a whole, what's the 1140 00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:23,900 issue? 1141 00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:27,180 I think that it is going to put millions of people out of jobs. 1142 00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:30,260 I agree, but I think there's no way that we're going to be able to stop that from happening 1143 00:51:30,260 --> 00:51:31,900 as it is. 1144 00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:37,060 And this is where I feel like we have to start advocating for coming up with the backup plan 1145 00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:40,620 of what we do when we hit that point because no one's pumping the brakes. 1146 00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:44,900 That's what's been happening with the strikes, with the writer strikes and with the actor 1147 00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:45,900 strikes. 1148 00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:49,340 And this is somewhere where I know that my stance is hard here. 1149 00:51:49,340 --> 00:51:50,580 How do we learn to use it in tandem though? 1150 00:51:50,580 --> 00:51:54,900 Because it's not enough to just say we can't use it, it's going to remove everything. 1151 00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:57,100 It already is. 1152 00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,540 There's no question and there's no doubt that AI is going to be like. 1153 00:51:59,540 --> 00:52:05,460 And the longer we go without wanting to put more sort of further creative limits on it 1154 00:52:05,460 --> 00:52:09,780 and we just keep putting like hard no, hard no, hard no, well tomorrow we're going to 1155 00:52:09,780 --> 00:52:12,500 wake up and someone's going to come out with something we've never seen before. 1156 00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:15,060 There's going to be no limits on it because we didn't want to put limits on it. 1157 00:52:15,060 --> 00:52:16,660 And then it's just going to do everything anyways. 1158 00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:19,540 I think it's a conversation where I think people need to sit down and have conversations 1159 00:52:19,540 --> 00:52:23,060 and create these hard lines and where we draw these lines. 1160 00:52:23,060 --> 00:52:26,260 And I think that it's something where drawing the line is never going to be clean. 1161 00:52:26,260 --> 00:52:27,260 It's always going to be messy. 1162 00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:30,940 But like, I mean, if you look at the negotiations with the writer strike and with the actor 1163 00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:34,460 strike, like you see the conversations happening there. 1164 00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:38,860 Of like, writers literally being put out of jobs because guess what? 1165 00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:42,740 We don't need a writer to actually write this like television episode because this show's 1166 00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:46,340 already been on the air for like fucking 15 seasons. 1167 00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:50,460 If I'm right, if like a soap opera writer, an AI can do that. 1168 00:52:50,460 --> 00:52:56,060 I don't look at, I think the biggest difference for me is I don't look at AI any different 1169 00:52:56,060 --> 00:52:58,500 than I look at a tractor. 1170 00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:04,340 I think tractors put thousands, millions of people out of jobs worldwide in the agriculture 1171 00:53:04,340 --> 00:53:05,340 like industry. 1172 00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:08,540 I mean, that's, it's always going to be an industry that we have to use because it's 1173 00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:10,500 the way that we generate food. 1174 00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,700 But no one's going to tell me that I shouldn't be able to use a tractor on my farm. 1175 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:19,500 I think that without a tractor on my farm, I don't generate a nearly like, I don't even 1176 00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:24,060 generate a fourth of the amount of food that my community needs without, without tractors 1177 00:53:24,060 --> 00:53:27,580 on every major farm in the world, not just the United States. 1178 00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:31,660 I don't put enough food on the table to provide for the amount of people that we are popping 1179 00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:32,660 out like fucking rabbits. 1180 00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:35,940 And I think AI is going to end up in the same place. 1181 00:53:35,940 --> 00:53:40,260 Without it, we are going to like just without using it, where we're just, we're going to 1182 00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:41,260 be fucked. 1183 00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:42,260 We're going to be fucked. 1184 00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:45,260 I'm not questioning that we're going to be using it for sure, but I know that I'm going 1185 00:53:45,260 --> 00:53:49,700 to be like, I'm going to be digging my feet into the ground on this particular topic, 1186 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:55,420 especially because right now it is my, and this is maybe selfish of me. 1187 00:53:55,420 --> 00:54:01,420 It is my career that is like in my world and my work that is currently in debate. 1188 00:54:01,420 --> 00:54:02,540 It's everybody's though. 1189 00:54:02,540 --> 00:54:03,540 I think it's mine too. 1190 00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:07,220 Like, I don't think there's a person out there whose job in theory is not at stake. 1191 00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:08,820 I think it's growing up. 1192 00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:11,940 I always thought I was like, you know what, the one job that's always going to be safe 1193 00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:16,540 from AI, like robots taking over is acting because robots can't do that. 1194 00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:19,020 Well apparently the fuck they can. 1195 00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:21,660 So they can just scan my, you want to know what they need. 1196 00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:22,660 They need my face. 1197 00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:25,620 They can scan my face and then they can just take it from there and run. 1198 00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:26,820 Yeah, pretty much, man. 1199 00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:28,660 I mean, fuck what else do you need? 1200 00:54:28,660 --> 00:54:29,660 All right. 1201 00:54:29,660 --> 00:54:31,940 I think we've hit a wall on this particular conversation. 1202 00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:32,940 Yeah. 1203 00:54:32,940 --> 00:54:34,740 It's a heavy ass episode. 1204 00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:35,740 AI is crazy. 1205 00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:36,740 Yeah. 1206 00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:39,020 Heavy ass episode in D and definitely two different ends of the spectrum though. 1207 00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:41,500 So I'm glad we have to sort of put that out on the internet. 1208 00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:46,900 I hope, I hope it takes D and D to far and future places that are hell of a lot of fun. 1209 00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:51,820 And I hope that all of the artists that work so diligently to create all of these wonderful 1210 00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:52,820 ideas and concepts of worlds. 1211 00:54:52,820 --> 00:54:58,900 I'm sure every one of those published videos that uses AI app are, they will just start, 1212 00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:02,540 listen, everyone's going to become the man behind the curtain. 1213 00:55:02,540 --> 00:55:03,540 Yeah. 1214 00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:05,340 We're all going to turn into the fucking Wizard of Oz. 1215 00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:06,740 Oh God, kill me. 1216 00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:09,820 Thank you all for joining in for another episode of Table Talk. 1217 00:55:09,820 --> 00:55:11,820 We will catch you later. 1218 00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:18,820 Bye.