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Hello players who won't stop talking when it's someone else's story beat.

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And DMs who make fifth grade puzzles that their adult players can't solve in less than

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two hours.

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Welcome back to Table Talk, I'm Maddie.

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Real fucking story.

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I'm Robert.

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What are we talking about today?

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Funny enough, it today is pet peeves.

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So talking about- I'm so excited for this episode.

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She's been asking to do this episode, I think the last three or four times we've recorded

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it and I just haven't really felt up to it because it is a little mean-spirited in nature,

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but also if you know me in real life.

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That's a wild thing for you to say that you don't want to do it because it's mean-spirited.

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Well because I'm like baseline mean-spirited, so like to intentionally do it or go over

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the top with it feels- It feels wrong.

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Yeah, it feels wrong.

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Because you're just mean unintentionally all the time.

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I just got a line to draw, man.

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My naturally rigid personality has lines too.

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Okay.

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I think there's morals there somewhere.

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Exactly.

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Anyways- If it helps, I talked to our housemates last night and told them we were doing this

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episode today and asked permission to share some specific stories and instances.

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Did you talk to one or did you talk to both?

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I talked to one and I talked to another one about it previously.

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So I have permission.

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Fun stuff.

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Anyways, today's going to be all about things that happen at the table.

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Excuse me, sorry that we like or don't like, mostly don't like really sort of the episode

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being specifically pet peeves.

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So should people do that we hate?

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Yeah, we talked a little bit ago in one of the episodes.

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Shout out Table Talk.

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You should go listen to all the episodes if you're listening to this and you haven't

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listened to another one before.

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Every one of them.

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We talked about like how to be a good player because we talk a lot and like touch on the

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idea of like don't be an asshole player.

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Don't be a dick.

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Be helpful, be good.

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But we like this is also kind of a clear guide on things not to do, which granted like take

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this all with a grain of salt.

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Some of these are like our personal.

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And some of them are like general like okay, manners maybe a little manners maybe a little.

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So we got we have a list and start.

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I will gladly start unless there's one that you want to start with.

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You can take that first one.

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This kind of bullet point was like note being prepared, which kind of goes with like note

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taking but show me your fucking character.

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Yeah, like it.

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And listen, we both have ADHD.

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We get it.

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We get it.

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We do.

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But if you're sure if you show up to D&D.

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More than once without your character sheet and you like don't have a photo of it on your

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phone or you don't have it like saved on your laptop like what are you doing?

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That's part of the reason why having digital character sheets while it does take away some

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of the fun of like having to flip through your physical one, which is in my opinion,

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maybe a hot take infinitely more annoying than it is fun because of the novelty.

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I'd much rather just have a digital character sheet.

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I agree.

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Anyways, it was the thing where we had done our previous two semesters with digital sheets

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only because we started abroad and didn't I mean we could have printed off physical

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ones.

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And digital ones are just so much easier.

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So we never had to worry about people showing up with like the stuff that they have to have.

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We also like omitted every aspect to memory.

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We also lived in like the same building.

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So like cool.

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Somebody forgot their character sheet.

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Go back to your room and get it real quick when you're driving somewhere.

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Yeah.

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And then we switched to paper characters.

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I mean, it's really the only way that you could not show up with your character sheet

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with the way that we did things was not bringing your cell phone and the chances of that happening

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or slim to fucking none.

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I don't care who you are.

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But then we switched to physical character sheets this semester because it's a non-traditional

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system.

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It's homebrew.

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And so it doesn't have a lot of mechanics in it that do not correlate directly to the

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traditional 5e character sheet.

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And then of course people started showing up without them.

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Like very quickly, like we were two, three sessions deep and it was, I don't have my

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character sheet.

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Cool.

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You can't play the fucking game.

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And then I...

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It was like, do you have a photo of it on your phone?

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No, I have no idea what any of my stats are.

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And then they're like, I don't want to call it specific people.

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But then one of them was like, yeah, I think I've like lost it, lost it.

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Like I need to remake the whole character.

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And I'm like, I don't.

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Do you remember what my character stats were?

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No, motherfucker.

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That's your job, man.

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I have your health and AC down.

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Those are the only two things that I absolutely need to know.

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I will occasionally take a glance in preparation for like a fight.

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Because something that Brennan's always...

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Brennan Lee Mulligan has always said and a couple of different things is like...

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Say I'm Brennan like you're just buddies.

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Brennan, yeah.

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You know, Brennan.

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I was just talking to Brennan the other day.

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I was talking about Brennan Lee Mulligan stuff that he says.

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He's always said that like, no, your PC's sheets.

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Know their spells.

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Because it's going to be a real hard time when you design a full fucking encounter that

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just gets absolutely countered by your players having a single spell.

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Separate ran it in of itself.

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Point being, take a fucking picture, man.

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Take a picture, make copies.

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I don't give a shit.

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But when we're like 10 minutes away from starting the session and you're like trying to figure

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out what the fuck your charisma stat was.

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It's bad.

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This also kind of goes with note taking.

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Now I'm an obsessive note taker.

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We've talked about it before.

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I'm probably going to do a whole episode on note taking in the future.

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But, and I'm not saying that everyone needs to like take detailed notes, but you should

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have basic information.

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I mean like you should have the names of your parents or like that super key information

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that was like given to you.

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Just you, just your character last session.

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And then you don't remember any of it and you just have to spend so much time at the

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table rehashing or like the note taker is sitting over here looking at the notes knowing

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what you are supposed to know and then you as a player don't have anything written down

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or like don't have any way of knowing.

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And if you've got a great memory, that's so cool.

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That's great.

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But if you don't, there is no harm in writing down the name of like the place that you're

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from.

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So every time you're like have some downtime, you don't have to be like where am I from?

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What's my dad's name?

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Oh sick, me too.

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And it's just a lot of like.

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It's like a fucking newborn every time you sit at the table and you're a newborn with

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lights.

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Like that's it dude.

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And that's why I kind of like link the two of them together.

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It's just about like preparedness because like it's one thing if you forget a pencil

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or even if you forget dice, that has happened so many times.

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How?

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How do you forget dice?

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That is crazy to me.

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Dice to me is wilder than the character sheet thing man.

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Because you're going to have it at minimum unless you're a fucking psychopath, you have

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to have at least a bag to put them in.

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God forbid you store them loose.

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Which some people do that.

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By the way some people, a person living in our house has a thing to put them in and stores

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them loose on a countertop.

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Who?

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Never mind that's not a podcast thing to air.

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It's not a podcast thing to air.

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I'll find that out later.

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But it's fucking annoying because he always sets them right next to his little case that's

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meant for holding dice.

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Oh yeah, I know who it is.

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Anyways.

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That's crazy.

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Loose dice, no that's on my pet peeveless.

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Loose dice?

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What the fuck?

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It's not something physical to store them in whether it is a bag or a box.

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And I understand character sheets to a degree because they're paper, maybe they get fucked

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up, maybe you spill water on them, maybe they get torn in half or they fall in a crack

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or whatever the fuck.

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You have a bag of dice, that shit is loud as fuck.

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Or at least Lego style, you'll step on it and figure out where you left it man.

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That shit drives me nuts.

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Bro.

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It's less of a pet peeve for me just because I have an ungodly amount of dice and I like

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sharing and letting other people borrow my things because I'm a gift giver.

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So I'm fine letting people borrow dice and stuff but it's crazy to just show up completely

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unprepared.

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The note taking thing gets me because the amount of times that we have sat at the table

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and there's been a big piece of information that is revealed to one specific person and

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then the next session they go, wait what are you talking about?

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What happened last session?

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I don't remember what was on that really important document that we were given.

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I'm like bro, get it the fuck together.

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Together indeed, get it there please.

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Alright, so the next one, of course you're gonna hand this one to me.

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The next one, and this is maybe sort of not kind of directed at specific people.

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We've all been there, I'm not gonna name drop.

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It's happened several times at my table.

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What's happened at times at other people's tables is just a general atonement.

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I've been in situations where this is very much a thing.

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Where?

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Deodorant.

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I don't care if it is 10 o'clock at night, I don't care if it's 9 in the morning, I don't

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care if you took a shower an hour ago, I don't care if you took a shower two days ago.

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You do not smell like you think you smell to anyone else but yourself.

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Your funk, you become immune to it.

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It does not smell like roses and your deodorant is knocking me the fuck out.

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Sorry, lack thereof.

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I'll say as someone who's like, wear it.

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This goes in very similar any time that you are in a closed space with other people.

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And I don't mean to sow seeds of paranoia in people, but maybe a little.

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I personally from Target bought a $3 travel size deodorant that I keep with my purse at

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all times because I'm paranoid.

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Let me tell you, any time that you're playing a game in closed quarters with people or anything

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like that, I promise you, I don't mean to make people paranoid.

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Just be aware of your hygiene.

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Be aware of your hygiene.

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Because it's getting to the point where I'm going to start keeping a stick at the table

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and then throwing it at people that need to put it on.

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Jesus Christ.

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I'll even get different generic ones so I can put people's names on them so we don't

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have to use the same stick.

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Now I feel like I need to.

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If I'm going to sit, I mean, I have the benefit of being like light years away at the new

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setup, but like even then when I'm walking around the table and you lift your arm to

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roll dice and I get hit with the rank is fucking with Jesus Christ.

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I love you all.

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I love you all.

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That's also a fun thing with playing at a table full of men and at an all male table

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is it is a lot worse definitely with men than it is with women because I feel like

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you're all more keyed in on the whole hygiene thing.

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Yeah, because I've played in an all them table a couple times.

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No stinky people there.

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Yeah, and I will say it's so funny and I don't mean this in like a mean way at all.

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The all them table that I played at there were like so many like little crafts and like

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DIY things that we did and like had a little buffet set up and then when we play.

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Yeah, minute minute year basically they show up with the sheet optional.

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It's like a loose sheet.

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There's no folder.

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There's no bag.

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It's like it is just loose paper and like a handful of loose dice and they're like

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ready to play.

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Every femme person that I've played with has like a neat little folder and like their

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own coordinated stuff.

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It's it's it's so funny.

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I don't mean to be reductive in any way, but it is just my personal experience.

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We're just not encouraged to be extra about fucking anything.

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So like why am I going to be extra about a game that requires three things?

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Maybe which is my mind dice in a piece of paper and you still forget two of those things.

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That's what sometimes people forget all three.

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I was about to say yeah all three depending on what time of the morning it is.

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Oh yeah, that's another thing.

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Fucking teeth man.

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This is gonna this.

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No, I was gonna say this.

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This is also for myself.

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Take your meds.

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Take your meds.

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I don't mean that in a bad way and I don't mean to like shit on people who like take

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medication.

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I'm on several medications.

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There's no shame in the medicine game.

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If you know that you have something like ADHD, maybe taking your medication before

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you play the game where you are like gonna be sitting down for long extended amounts

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of time and there aren't like recess rates.

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Or you know that the lack of medication is gonna make you absolutely fucking miserable

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to be around.

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I don't take my meds when when I'm doing a session just because it helps me like not

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being on this maybe the argument against not being on ADHD medication for me.

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It helps me ad-lib a lot more.

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And improv because I'm a little too hyper fixated when I am on my medication but like

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that's not the fucking problem.

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Like that's not what we're running into here.

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Take your meds man.

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Which this is kind I don't know if I want to segue into this point that I did not write

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down on the list.

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After saying that because I don't want it to sound like bad or in like conjecture to

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like having ADHD or like having something that you have to take medication for.

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But this is where my brain goes because I also fidget a fuck 10 when I don't take my

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meds.

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So I'm just gonna talk about fidgeting for a minute.

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Bring toys man.

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Bring fidget toys or like something to do with your hands if you know that you're someone

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who can't like sit still and be engaged for long amounts of time because I it's a long

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sessions I get it.

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It's hard and often times taking breaks to like stand up and walk around or even like

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do like fucking jumping jacks in your seat.

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But when you are getting into a full like brawl with the person next to you and y'all

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are playing like fucking footsies and like hit each other across the table.

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That's a good fight at three of our guys at the table that will basically fist fight

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each other in the middle of dialogue.

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And then when either myself or occasionally Madison are like hey guys what's up they're

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like we're not doing anything wrong.

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We had to change the seating arrangement.

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I had to get them semi assigned seats because putting two of them next to each other was

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too much for them to handle.

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They kept grabbing each other's asses and like punching each other and in fucking messing

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with one another like it's just.

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It was it's a lot.

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I get it man.

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And like I get it.

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I get it.

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I fidget a ton.

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But but sometimes just kind of be cognizant of like the tone in the room.

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KHD your phone does not fucking count.

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Your phone does not count.

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And you know how I know your phone doesn't count because all of your fucking character

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sheets are on paper this time mother fuckers.

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What you looking at huh.

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That's so real.

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And the book that you need the answers to is with me.

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What are you looking at man.

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I swear to God people at art table have like watched old movies.

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I'm gonna get a phone box.

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That is at the table.

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It's crazy.

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I understand that these games are long guys and I understand it's not always like a moment

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that you personally are involved in.

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But when you when someone pulls out their phone and you just hear a fucking tick tock

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audio full blast.

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Well they're men and they listen to their phone all the way at like top volume at all

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times and you're just like in a really like intense moment and then you just say what's

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a fucking tick tock audio.

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I don't know.

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I well you just hear a fucking like tick tock audio going off.

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It's like hello.

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That's so cool.

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Could you not the phone.

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Not could you actually like so not the phone box.

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Yeah I think that actually leads really well on to the next one of those which is be considerate.

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It's not on there as a bullet point but it sure as shit should be stay off your fucking

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phone for one right now.

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And then the other one is get snacks and drinks before you sit down.

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Yeah come fucking prepared like again I know they're long sessions.

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I know they're in the morning.

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If I had it my way we would be doing these things at like a six or seven a night like

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we still had it happen when we did it at night.

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Yeah but it wasn't it didn't feel as bad then because it's like people got to get dinner

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and you whatever whatever it's like it's 9 a.m. most you are coming from another house

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anyways and one of you two of you live here.

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Three of us live there.

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Three four of us live there.

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Oh yeah.

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Four of us live there.

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You have time to get food before we sit down at the table.

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And it's also a thing of like most D&D sessions you're not going to actually start the second

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everyone gets there.

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And it's really going to happen is it's going to be like 30 minutes to an hour of like prep

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time and it's going to be people talking and like catching up and it's also going to be

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people getting the table set up.

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We have a table set up where we've got like a TV screen that we use.

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So that takes us a couple minutes.

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So there's like normally you will have plenty of time to like get settled to get your snacks

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to blah blah blah.

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But when we sit down and literally within the first 15 minutes of us starting the fucking

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game you're like the second I start doing dialogue or like monologuing into the intro

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of the session you immediately go up.

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I have to pee.

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I've got to go get a snack.

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Bathroom breaks happen before the session.

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Now if you have to pee in the middle that's fine too.

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But if we're 30 seconds in man what have you been doing for the last half an hour you've

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been sitting at the table watching me plug shit in.

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It makes me feel like a teacher in high school.

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Not dead ass.

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Where it's like you're not pissing during the passing period which like don't get me

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wrong passing periods in high school are kind of bullshit because they're like we're

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going to give you five minutes to get from one side of the school to the other and you're

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a little five foot ass is going to have to push through everyone else because you're

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so small and also you're a girl.

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So when you have got to go to the fucking bathroom it takes a lot longer than dudes who

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could just whip it out and pee and go.

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It's like a process.

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And so anyway that's my right about that.

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But it's like I do feel like a teacher where it's like bro for the last like 30 minutes

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we have been digging around.

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You didn't think to go to the bathroom then?

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Yeah.

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Really?

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You didn't think to get your breakfast or your snack or whatever then?

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I think another point to add to the be considerate list is then this is kind of in the negative

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Nancy category as well but this is a slightly more serious thing when other players at the

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table are actively giving you criticism it doesn't necessarily have to be about your

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role play it could be about your behavior as a fucking person.

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It could be about cooperating with the DM who literally controls the fictional universe.

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I got permission to tell this story by the way.

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It can be any number.

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You can tell it.

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Yeah.

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So the one about the fucking costume thing?

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Yes.

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I got explicit permission last night.

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So one of our players I love him to death.

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Everyone has their own stick this semester and it's really great everyone's super into

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their characters and then one of our players is also really into his character but he's

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playing a robot who is like turned on maybe a month max before the first session.

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So he's like a little baby like a little newborn and then he was like socialized with fucking

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fish gangsters.

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So there's just not a whole lot going on behind the eyes.

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In his character he plays very true to what in his mind that character is supposed to

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be which is very nonchalant, very dry, very straightforward.

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I don't understand like social situations.

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I don't get the whole empathy thing and I don't really find a reason and a lot of sort

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of extraneous norms and values that the other very human players in my party do.

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We're in a superhero campaign.

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Now you may be thinking gee I wonder what's required for superheroes like a campaign or

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maybe the heroes themselves and I can tell you really quick one of the things you're

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going to find in that fucking list is a costume.

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And like public opinion is specifically a relief costume.

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We were talking about public opinion is like a huge thing for our thing and this robot

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character had just decided to dox the biggest mob boss in the part of the city.

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When we say dox by the way we mean like address social security number the list of every warehouse

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in shipment.

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All of his crimes.

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His colleagues.

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His hard information like every bit of data he had on this guy he put out there for the

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world to see.

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Nuts.

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And so.

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Session three by the way.

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We're like level three care.

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It was a move for sure.

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But we were talking and I had talked to Robert beforehand and he was like yeah you know one

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of the things that y'all are going to have to deal with is like you should probably update

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what this robot is wearing because he currently still looks like the robot that works for

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the bad guys like very aggressively it is a very like specific look.

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And then we're at the table and Robert goes hey public opinion we're going to talk about

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that for a little bit something that would really improve your own public opinion and

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that's going to make your lives a lot easier.

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Is if you all had hero looks and maybe the robot in particular changed his look.

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This was a moment.

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I there are very few moments where I want to reach across the table and physically like

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fight someone.

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While playing D&D.

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Thing called throttle.

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That's what I say.

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When you throttle somebody.

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Yeah.

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Throttling like.

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I came so fucking close.

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Yeah.

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It got bad.

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You can tell this.

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I'll take it.

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So he.

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I start sort of monologuing at the player sort of info dumping about a mechanic that

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I wanted to introduce which by the way I wasn't able to introduce until the last session

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because that's just how fucking chaotic things have been.

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But the mechanic that I wanted to introduce is public opinion and sort of how that was

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going to work was that because everybody in the party had essentially become one like

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they had all had their assigned public opinions that I didn't really tell them because I

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didn't know how the mechanic was going to work before they became a party.

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Then they became a party and I sort of tallied up negatives and positives and depending on

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how many of those were sort of their jumbled together they came out either negative as

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a group or positive as a group.

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One of them had just committed what was basically a war crime.

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As far as the mob was concerned.

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So obviously his public opinion is going to be very negative.

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I mean there were the people in the city that were like yeah like down with the mom and

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the cod father but then there was also all of the people that got like de-homed and fucking

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let go out of really really really solid jobs even though it was a mob boss.

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And so his public opinion overall was fairly negative which means it was going to drag

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down the sort of perception of the entire party now that they had been seen in public

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together a handful of times.

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So I said hey man one of the ways that you could address this and hear me out in the

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superhero campaign is if you like put on a cape.

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You know or like change your color like you can change your physical appearance however

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you want to like part of his power which is incredibly broken or like nanotechnology so

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being able to change any piece of him it would have been as simple as going okay cool and

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then like I'm purple now or like I'm green now.

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At a mechanic shop there was paint I was like oh do you want me to like paint you a new

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color that would be really cool.

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Paint won't stay.

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Uh huh yeah I'll just like make my nanobots make it fall off.

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And I was like okay well what if we gave you like a hat or something.

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Or like mechanical.

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That won't stay.

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No won't work.

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Yeah he goes what's the point.

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Like I shit you not I gave three or four different options.

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And at this point the whole table is getting quiet because it's now turning into Madison

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like the real life person Madison and then the other person who shall not be named like

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basically yelling back and forth to each other going wear a costume.

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I don't want to wear one.

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Wear a costume.

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I don't want to wear one.

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It was at one point I do remember going hey this is me Matty talking to you.

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I'm trying to do what Robert just fucking said to do.

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Yeah so then I jumped in as a demon I was like hey listen I'm not I'm not about hostility

486
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,720
at the table but Madison kind of has a point in that you might want to put on something.

487
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,880
And this was I mean I don't I don't like stepping across as particular boundaries as a DM I like

488
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,320
letting people figure out their own way making their own decisions even if I think they are

489
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,760
incredibly idiotic.

490
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,200
And sometimes there have been a lot of this semester.

491
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,320
We'll hit that in a little bit.

492
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,960
A lot of them this semester but that was one where I was like I get like a thought process

493
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,720
but truly it's going to be more detrimental to your party members than it is you if you

494
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,960
do not find some sort of alternative look when you go out in public.

495
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,880
And his response was basically like I'm a robot or like Chip his name is Chip Chip is a robot

496
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,200
Chip sees no reason zero reason to change his appearance.

497
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,600
There is no incentive.

498
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,760
There is no motive.

499
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,280
There is no job reason.

500
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,680
He is a war bot created by the federal government.

501
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:57,840
Zero fucking reason to look any different in his mind because he just doesn't care about

502
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,560
societal norms and values.

503
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,600
And that response to me was OK.

504
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:08,240
I get that but like put on a fucking cape put on a cape put on a hat do something you

505
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,280
know what I'm saying like just but that's kind of where the be considerate thing goes

506
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,080
when other players are actively sort of asking you or telling you to do things at the table

507
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,880
it you feel free to talk to me or talk to your DM after the fact if you don't want to

508
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,200
have that conversation there but like it's going to be a lot easier going forward as

509
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,120
a party and as a group of friends and people if everyone is on the same page like if that

510
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,960
had happened and I absolutely hated the way Madison handled that situation and London

511
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,000
came to me and was like hey I'm about to stop showing up because Madison is getting on my

512
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,840
nerves and I would have pulled Madison aside and be like hey bro chill the fuck out right

513
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,360
like we're good I got this that's my job I'd like that that's what I'm there for and I

514
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,200
have said that a couple of different times not necessarily in that way but just to the

515
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,000
table as a whole like that's what I'm there for I don't need somebody doing my job for

516
00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,080
me and that goes into did you ride it or did I oh my fucking god.

517
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,880
Oh my god bro I'll let you do the player side of this in a second but just hopping in as

518
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,880
a DM.

519
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,880
Go for it.

520
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:12,280
You as a player do not, did not, have not will not write this fucking story.

521
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,560
You don't set the events, you don't determine how people react to you.

522
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,400
You do have an influence on the story like we've talked about in other episodes but for

523
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,920
the sake of the pet peeves.

524
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:26,040
Like you are yes but you can influence the world and you can make decisions that deeply

525
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,840
deeply deeply and profoundly affect the other people at the table and the NPCs in the world

526
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,080
like that's what I feel like I've done most successfully this semester is make a living

527
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,960
breathing world where everything has a consequence.

528
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,840
But also you don't write the story.

529
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,560
You are not the main character.

530
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,360
You cannot just make dumb fucking decisions willy motherfucking nilly because you feel

531
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,480
like it.

532
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,440
Because what is going to happen is your character is going to die in a campaign that I designed

533
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,440
so the characters didn't have to die.

534
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,440
Keep it together man.

535
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,160
This is something that he's been dealing with too much lately and it's kind of some of

536
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:09,200
the other points I've touched on under here like on the list and we'll probably, we might

537
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,000
get into a specific example of it.

538
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,440
You want to talk about your side of that?

539
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,560
Yeah I would love to.

540
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,560
My biggest pet peeve with the concept of did I write it or did you?

541
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,120
Like whose fucking story is it?

542
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,960
Ever and this is like maybe this is also me as like an actor.

543
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,560
One of the biggest notes that in like rules that you know as an actor is you don't give

544
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,300
another fucking actor a note.

545
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:34,240
You don't say hey I think you're doing this scene wrong try it this way instead.

546
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,080
No you don't fucking do that.

547
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,820
Don't tell another goddamn player what decision their character is going to make.

548
00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:44,960
The amount of times that I've been like and I've already talked to everyone who's like

549
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,000
done this to me about it like the amount of times that I'd be like hmm I'm trying to figure

550
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,080
out what to do and I say that out loud and everyone goes like.

551
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,080
She needs to do this.

552
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,080
She would do this.

553
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,080
She would do this.

554
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,080
Do that.

555
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,080
Do there.

556
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Freak out.

557
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,080
Motherfucker.

558
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,080
Yeah you're not.

559
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,080
This is not your character.

560
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,080
You're not the one role playing Helmslice.

561
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,080
And like don't tell another player how their character should react to things or what their

562
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,600
character should do.

563
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,400
Because that shit just goes through me because it's like this is a character that I have

564
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,880
created.

565
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,440
I know them better than you do motherfucker.

566
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,640
And see that's where it gets messy too though because it's like your decisions as that character

567
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,800
can and often will impact sort of the other like the other characters at the table.

568
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,200
And so I get the natural instinct to be like we're in this really high stress moment.

569
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,240
You're about to make a decision.

570
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Please do this or don't do that.

571
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,680
And now I've never done this before.

572
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:45,560
This semester have had to as a DM as of last session step in and go don't make this decision.

573
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,960
People are now asking me before they make decisions is this the right thing to do.

574
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,080
And I'm like for most of the part that's your choice but also I'm telling you now the bad

575
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,080
news bears.

576
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,080
Bad news bears.

577
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,080
Bad news bears.

578
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,840
Please think before you fucking leave man.

579
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,400
And the thing that kills me though is every time I've had this issue it's never a high

580
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,400
stakes situation.

581
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,400
No.

582
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,640
It is never anything dramatic.

583
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,160
It is always like hmm I don't know what to do in this combat encounter and everyone's

584
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,640
like she would do this.

585
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,840
And I'm like she would tell me more about what she would do.

586
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,280
The character that I made.

587
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:23,040
And there's a difference between helpful criticism or like where it's like hey I really like

588
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,640
the way that you did this or talked like that or used this voice or used that power.

589
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840
Here's something else that you could maybe do next time.

590
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,040
Like there's a difference between that and going this is what I think you should do.

591
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,720
And then there are also helpful times though during combat when everybody is working as

592
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,120
a group or even just in a regular sort of investigation scenario where talking to each

593
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,680
other as players and as characters is really helpful and giving it to the suggestions and

594
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,680
that way works.

595
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,320
But you're not me.

596
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,320
Respectfully.

597
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,480
You're not me and even I don't cross that line unless I feel like I absolutely have

598
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,480
to.

599
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,160
There is no reason why you as a player should feel that you have the right to then do it

600
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,160
with another player.

601
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,160
Yeah.

602
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,160
It's just not how it works.

603
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,160
It's a crazy stance to me.

604
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,040
And it's another thing if you're like saying in your character's voice to another character

605
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,800
being like hey you should do this in character.

606
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,000
That is completely acceptable to me because that's still within the realms of the game.

607
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,960
But when you as the player sitting next to me are telling me as a player what my character

608
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,800
should do shut the fuck up.

609
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,800
Yeah.

610
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,520
A slightly more light hearted one but also one that annoys me incredibly as rule lawyers

611
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,080
because I'm going to say that it's what my character would do for after because that's

612
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,920
a rant but rule lawyers are something different altogether.

613
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,160
So I slight tangent here at play a lot of different games.

614
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,240
I play Dungeons and Dragons TDRBG.

615
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,600
I play Magic the Gathering.

616
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:50,200
I play a whole bunch of stuff like I'm also a huge gamer like in my what free time I have

617
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,440
and the one thing that pisses me off the most in one of my roommates who listens to this

618
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,840
podcast every day it comes out.

619
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,360
He's going to know why this is a little targeted.

620
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,360
We love you.

621
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,360
I apologize for that.

622
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,360
I love you dearly.

623
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,360
Rule lawyers piss me the fuck off because it's the same thing as did I write it or

624
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,360
did you.

625
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,760
We're all having fun.

626
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,920
We're all in the moment.

627
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:16,640
We're all just like trying to play the game and then somebody goes actually that's not

628
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:23,040
how this works or actually you have to have line of sight actually you're 35 feet away

629
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:29,840
which means you're just out of range like it's my god or the the head canning stuff and I've

630
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,600
talked about this in a previous episode when you're the DM sure fine whatever makeup your

631
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,600
own rules on the spot.

632
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,600
I don't give a shit.

633
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,440
I'm like yes the spell says you can do that level with me here for a second.

634
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,360
No it doesn't know it does not.

635
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,440
There's no fucking physical way you can do that which being a superhero campaign has

636
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,720
made that a lot more lax but as a player you do not have the right to argue with me and

637
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,160
go that doesn't make any sense or that's bullshit.

638
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,680
Yeah that's you can do it in a fun way and be like oh man motherfucker like that's so bullshit

639
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,800
and then I'll you know behind the screen like haha I made a cool villain like I've managed

640
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,240
to get at them.

641
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,160
Hey this shit sucks.

642
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,960
Do you have something you want to send in to make it better?

643
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Criticisms, topics you'd like to see discussed or an advertisement you'd like to run.

644
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,440
Maybe you even want to sponsor an episode.

645
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:22,720
If so shoot us a message at mc460 at evansville.edu or DM us on Instagram at crescent magazine

646
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,320
or we'll never get better like these fucking guys but when you look at me and you go.

647
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,560
When you start pulling up the receipts it's like do we really want to do this.

648
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,560
That's bullshit.

649
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,240
Did she really have that extra attack?

650
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,960
Did she really have another legendary action?

651
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,520
Is that really an ability that you wrote on her sheet before you sit down on the table?

652
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,520
Does it matter?

653
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,520
That's the thing we talked about.

654
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,520
Does it matter?

655
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,480
We talked about ethically fudging things from a DM perspective.

656
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,000
Half of the time that your DM makes up and bullshit which this is also to say if you

657
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,400
have a good DM I'm sure there's really shitty DMs out there who are like actually no your

658
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,000
spell can't do that.

659
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Sorry.

660
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,280
But half the time that your DM is doing something or fudging something or saying no I'm going

661
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,280
to switch this up.

662
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,960
It is for a thematic purpose at least it is at our table and when you start arguing and

663
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,560
half the time in my experience I feel like rule lawyers also fuck over the people at

664
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,840
the table more like fuck over the party because it's always like actually this ability that

665
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,840
you're doing.

666
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,160
Wait what spell are you using?

667
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,520
No you shouldn't be able to do that because you have this effect.

668
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,920
We haven't had that happen as much as the table as we do with people arguing with me.

669
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,000
Or getting shitty at me because their character went down or they took a lot of damage.

670
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Like listen it goes both ways.

671
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:45,600
I am also going to remove several like tens of points of hit points from this piece like

672
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,000
this piece in NPC that you're hitting so that way the combat encounter will be over and

673
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,600
you don't go down.

674
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,040
On the flip side of that I'm going to fucking one shot you because you're fighting what

675
00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:00,600
is in universe like one of the strongest characters you could come across.

676
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,800
Don't get mad at me when that happens to you.

677
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Like it's both ways man.

678
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,760
I'm going to make things fun for you.

679
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,080
I'm also going to make things realistic and fun for me on the DM side of things.

680
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,240
I've also seen where you've been you've laxed rules and like kind of changed things around

681
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:20,360
to benefit players be like okay I know that your spell says that it should only do this

682
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,360
thing.

683
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,360
But I'm going to say that it also.

684
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,640
I know what you're referring to now.

685
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:29,600
It does this and then the ruler lawyer goes actually no it doesn't and it's like the DM

686
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,760
is giving me extra powers.

687
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,440
Shut the fuck up.

688
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,520
Same person who controls the bot.

689
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,200
We had a moment like this because he had a ability called drone where basically he could

690
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,440
put out a drone and it could shoot at people but he had to take a bonus action or an action

691
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,200
to and I think it was an action to pilot it.

692
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,920
And basically all it did was like roll to hit somebody and I was like that doesn't make

693
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:50,920
any sense.

694
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,920
And then I think it was something like he had to be higher level like a lot higher level

695
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,120
to use it as a bonus action and I was like that's fucking stupid.

696
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,120
Yeah.

697
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,240
Like and then it was something I think it had to be stationary like it couldn't move

698
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,840
and I was like all right well that doesn't make any sense.

699
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,440
Like I don't care if you are a child flying a drone you still have the ability to move

700
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,520
it a lot.

701
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,320
And you're a robot like you have the ability to process a lot of things at one time.

702
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,200
Please go ahead and take a bonus action to pilot and he's like but that's not what it

703
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,720
allows me to do.

704
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,120
I'm like I know I heard you.

705
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,680
I registered that.

706
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,160
You can go ahead and take that and he's like yeah but I mean that's not like if I don't

707
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,040
have it like I don't have to have it and I'm like I know I get that.

708
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,040
I hear you.

709
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,240
I'm picking up what you're putting down.

710
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:32,240
And in return.

711
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:36,000
This was such a fun moment to watch at the table because this was definitely the energy

712
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,040
as well which was okay I'm trying to like help you man.

713
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,840
This is a benefit.

714
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,840
This is a good thing.

715
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,440
This is me going we created a character where in the universe it makes zero sense for you

716
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,680
not to be able to do the thing that we thought you could do.

717
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,680
So take it.

718
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,400
And he's like I'm good.

719
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,680
That's crazy to me.

720
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,280
That was that's still looking back crazy to me.

721
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,280
Yep.

722
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,280
Next thing on the list.

723
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,200
It's what my character would do.

724
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,200
SpongeBob text.

725
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,560
It's the like that's how I I'm not going to lie to you that SpongeBob text that's how

726
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:15,040
I rule lawyers playing magic when people this again those side changes with people like

727
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,960
this new what this build does or like.

728
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,960
Shut the fuck up.

729
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,160
I'm not going to be on a real I tap this to do that.

730
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,000
That literally that's how I talk and like it like get fucked man.

731
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
I get it.

732
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,880
We're all we're all about playing by the rules and being on the same level get fucked.

733
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,280
Take a breath take it somewhere else.

734
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,280
Say it inside.

735
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,280
Yeah.

736
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,240
No lay the fuck off.

737
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,640
Anyways I love you.

738
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,640
The and this goes to the robot thing and then to a character who's been making a lot of

739
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,760
really shitty decisions who I have punished about as bad as I could in the last session.

740
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,960
I get that there are things that in your character parameters you would do and we've talked about

741
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,320
this specifically with Magnolia in the last campaign.

742
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,320
I get it.

743
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,320
I understand it.

744
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,400
We've created a character you really want to like stick to their guns.

745
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,360
You are playing at a table full of other human beings who are also playing characters that

746
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,480
they deeply care about.

747
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Now when the universe and the universe being your DM starts throwing shit your way in game

748
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,200
for you making shitty decisions do not continue to run that into the ground until you are

749
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,560
like fucking forehead deep in shit.

750
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520
That's just called character death.

751
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,400
That's going to result in me killing your character because it is such a fucking nuisance

752
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,680
to everybody else in the campaign.

753
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,440
And this is something I put under the negative dancing thing that I'm just going to move

754
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,640
up here.

755
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,160
Your life matters in the game.

756
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880
Your life matters and like the idea of the like it's what my character would do.

757
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,720
Part of it is also like the whole and if you know anything about you probably seen like

758
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,600
the tech talks and the memes of like well my party robs everyone when we're asleep because

759
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,800
it's what my character would do.

760
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,560
They're a rogue like shut the fuck up.

761
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,160
You're still at a table full of other human beings and when you're playing a character

762
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,960
show and this is my this is full like outing myself here with my last character.

763
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,640
I was very very bad about doing this.

764
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Your life has consequences to the party like your party.

765
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,480
If you just kill yourself or like make decisions that result in your character's death the

766
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,600
party is also going to suffer for that.

767
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,600
Yeah.

768
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,560
And like you have other people that depend on you.

769
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,400
You don't operate in a vacuum man like you're especially if your DM is good at what they

770
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,600
do you're in a shared universe where everybody's actions.

771
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,160
Everybody that does not mean everybody when they're together that does not mean everybody

772
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,360
only when they are individually present in a scene.

773
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:40,760
That means everybody all the time is actively making decisions that have consequences on

774
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,960
the world as a whole.

775
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,400
You're not in a fucking microcosm you're not in a vacuum.

776
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,880
You're not in one single neighborhood and everything that happens inside that neighborhood

777
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,280
never exits that neighborhood.

778
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,640
This isn't a win in Vegas it stays in Vegas.

779
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,360
No it is like this is a real thing.

780
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,200
This is a real 110 percent thing.

781
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,120
So yes please make decisions that are in line with your character it's fun it's role played

782
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,880
but also get some common motherfucking sense and acknowledgement other players are looking

783
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,480
at you going like no dude stop stop stop stop stop stop.

784
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,840
Here's an example of like a time that I've done this and like once again looking back

785
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,720
I think you should recognize your own like flaws and stuff kind of as like a player or

786
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,560
a DM or wherever you stand.

787
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,080
There was a moment in the last campaign and this was very very early on this was like

788
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,680
the first two or three sessions of D&D that we had ever played together.

789
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,480
Our characters were like in another world outside of the end this was like with Magnolia

790
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,920
and the world serpents in which we've talked about before and my character we were talking

791
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,560
to these Eric Cochran like guards and one of them was like a captain of like the fucking

792
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:49,360
a battalion of a battalion by the way and battalion is 50 motherfucking people.

793
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:55,480
These were level three characters there were like what four y'all five y'all yeah you can

794
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,480
tell the rest of the story.

795
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,080
Okay he's just glaring at me a lot right now.

796
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,320
I'm telling this story because I recognize my flaws.

797
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,160
Because that was a decision where I should have gone cooler character and the rest of

798
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,640
your party get slaughtered.

799
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,280
Yeah I'm glad you did it.

800
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,880
I got yelled at by everyone though so the captain turns to leave and I was not done

801
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,600
with the conversation and so I look through my little thing and I go okay I've got this

802
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,240
thing called lightning lure which pulls people back.

803
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:25,520
I wasn't even thinking about the fact that it did damage and it was like a combat spell

804
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,040
so I was like the captain turns starts to fly away and I go hey no and I like cast that

805
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,200
and everyone at the real life table turned to me and I thought I was gonna get jumped

806
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,760
like real life jumped.

807
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,880
Everybody else understood the gravity of the situation especially when he was like yeah

808
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,400
like y'all are y'all are allowed to to leave like respectfully but come back and you're

809
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,360
dead like yeah it was I don't know how you're here I don't like that you're here.

810
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,360
It was bad.

811
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,440
So of course when I go well I'm not done having this conversation I still have questions I

812
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,800
want to answer and then proceeds to try and fucking whip the captain back towards the

813
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:58,800
party.

814
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,300
It was bad.

815
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:04,760
It was definitely a thing where I got taken aside and threatened in the game.

816
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,280
I didn't get threatened in real life until later because I will say you're so fucking

817
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,280
insolent right now.

818
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:17,080
I continued to make decisions like that throughout that entire semester.

819
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,160
I am recognizing my flaws here.

820
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,200
I continuously made decisions that were not great.

821
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,280
There was a moment where it was like cool if you keep pushing and try to do this thing

822
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,760
you are gonna die.

823
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,520
You have a plant that is currently growing through your body and you're still and you're

824
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,240
not gonna pull away from this.

825
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:39,920
Everybody was like let go let go back off let go let go let go.

826
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,960
She's like no no I'm trying to get some answers here actually.

827
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,720
And I kept doing it and it was a moment where a party member had a spell that came in clutch

828
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:52,840
and then I did it again later and the only reason I got out of it was in nat 20 and there

829
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,440
was a moment where like after that session Robert pulled me aside and was like you have

830
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,600
to start playing smarter.

831
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,600
You have to stop just touching shit or when you are taking damage not getting the fuck

832
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,360
out because you are going to die.

833
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:11,120
I think that's the one thing that I've seen a lot of players lack is just fucking survival

834
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,880
in this man.

835
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:18,280
Like the fly at a fire response is so far removed when you don't have real consequences.

836
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,480
Like it's in real life if somebody pulls a gun on it like on you in the middle of I

837
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,320
don't know let's say a mechanic shop and goes who are you.

838
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,520
They're they're very young they look like they're very nervous very anxious and there's

839
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,800
a real chance like maybe they pulled a trigger on fucking accident.

840
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,800
Yeah.

841
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,160
You as a grown man do not proceed to walk forward no words and put the barrel of the

842
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,240
gun in your mouth.

843
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:45,720
If you are a person who values their life.

844
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:51,640
That was one of the crazy how many people listening to this episode would put their

845
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:58,400
their mouth like fully on and over the barrel of a gun being held by a 21 year old in a

846
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,400
hoodie.

847
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,680
Uh huh.

848
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,440
All they want to know is your name they just want to know who you are why are there and

849
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,560
instead of giving a response you just proceed to give a gun a blow job.

850
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,600
That was I will say as a player one of the craziest moments in my life.

851
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,280
I think everybody at the table also would agree.

852
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,440
Nobody saw that coming I didn't see that coming his this is a grown ass man and this

853
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:26,960
man has like a home this particular character is a player has made a lot of similar decisions

854
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,160
this campaign campaign.

855
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:34,720
I think part of it is just he is a person is very impulsive and just likes to do things

856
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,720
with a fuck it we ball attitude.

857
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,360
Yeah which is great within reason.

858
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,160
He's just playing a character that has a lot of social status and has a lot of really

859
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,560
big consequences to a lot of actions like I gave him a lot of responsibility because

860
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,920
I thought that would be fun and what was going to be fun and concept turned into an

861
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,640
absolute shit show in reality because what happened with that responsibility was every

862
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:07,120
time he came to a major crossroad his response to everything was fuck it we ball and then

863
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:13,200
he would just make the most chaotic off the wall fucking decision humanly possible.

864
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,320
Yeah like they weren't always like the it in not in a way of like oh I'm playing like

865
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,400
a chaotic neutral character so I'm gonna do something so like nuts that kind of fucks

866
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,720
people over it was like I like you could he would just like panic as a person and then

867
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:31,400
like get real calm and go all right I know what decision I'm making I'm gonna fucking

868
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,000
I'm gonna give head to the gun and it's like what or last session I'm gonna walk up to

869
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,680
you and snap my phone in half no words exchanged no that was another moment yeah I'm gonna

870
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,760
turn on the murder bot and then fight it instead of backing down in this conversation that

871
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:53,840
I was given a very obvious out to because I shit you not because fuck it I get it man

872
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:59,880
role play your character do whatever but like please you just play with like the the tiniest

873
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,800
bit of survival instincts and common sense because it will do a lot and also going back

874
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,040
to like the idea of playing with survival instincts and also knowing that like your actions affect

875
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:15,560
other people at the table especially when you are making and this also kind of goes

876
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,440
up to one of the points I talked about earlier if you are making a decision that is directly

877
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:28,560
involved or affecting another character maybe maybe think about it for two seconds or ask

878
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,400
them if you are about to make a major decision for another character yeah out clearing it

879
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,720
with them and don't get me wrong this is something that also happened this happens recently in

880
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:41,880
our campaign this also has happened in the the campaign before this because I'm yeah

881
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:47,040
I made plenty of decisions as did several other party members just straight making decisions

882
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,120
for other players and being like nope I'm gonna grab this person and drag them and like or

883
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,800
I'm gonna kidnap I'm gonna hold you hostage and let you ever go home yeah I'm guilty of

884
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:06,320
this as well but but maybe when your decision is accusing someone of terrorism yeah you

885
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:14,880
know in a world full of superheroes man it's like truly the equivalent is like walking

886
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,600
into like Marvel comics New York going to like a bank that's down the street from the

887
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:26,760
Avengers tower and then handing your buddy who's right next to you an assault rifle like

888
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:32,240
pulling the fire alarm firing a gun in the air and then running out of the building and

889
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:36,800
like essentially yeah that was kind of like the vibe because now everybody thinks that

890
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,360
you have walked into a bank with a gun everyone thinks that your intent was to rob the bank

891
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:47,480
and you are in a location that is notorious for having some of the most powerful superheroes

892
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,560
in the world and you just do that and then you peace out and you never say anything to

893
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,160
them yep then you as the friend that handed the assault rifle to your friend who is completely

894
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,640
unaware this was trusting you you just leave yeah and then they have no idea what happened

895
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:05,320
and they're like huh the federal government just broke into my apartment and this one

896
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,520
police officer showed up and said you gotta get out of town now hide your identity and

897
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,400
what's even with see what's it's not even the same situation in that though because

898
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,520
at least in that situation you're aware of who handed you the gun yeah no I was not aware

899
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,000
this is like if somebody mailed you a gun that already had your fingerprints on it that

900
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,240
was used in a bank robbery and then they called the cops on you and were like hey man I know

901
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:31,680
that this person has an assault rifle and it was the same one that was used in that bank

902
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:38,000
robbery again also in the mcu's new york daredevil shows up to your house tomorrow ready to break

903
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:45,480
all of your legs and you're like hey bro what's up I don't know what's going on yeah what did

904
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,720
I do I'm literally a college student I'm literally a college student don't don't make those decisions

905
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:57,280
for other people but the uh for reference for every action there is an equal and opposite

906
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,600
reaction most of last session I had one player come up to me afterwards and he was like I

907
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,360
almost kind of feel bad for this particular like for this player because they got dogged

908
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,680
on and I was like listen I gave them and I did I gave this particular player multiple

909
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,440
chances I want to say probably three or four to stop making those kinds of decisions or

910
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:23,280
to walk them back or to in the spirit of being a hero like do the right thing and he just

911
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,000
kept digging his hole deeper and deeper and deeper so I was like alright man I'ma give

912
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,400
you a heads up right now this action that you're like this choice that you've made in

913
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:39,040
this decision is literally and this is not hyperbole is going to start a war in your

914
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:48,680
city you are level five and you want to go to war because somebody called your bluff

915
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:55,240
and this is right after you handed this person the keys to a new so you know in this moment

916
00:48:55,240 --> 00:49:00,480
that if this person really dislike you enough they could new queue and there's nothing you

917
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,840
could do about it unless you say yeah man I'll give it up yeah what do you what you

918
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,400
tell them dead to their face I'm giving shit up and then they launched the newton you're

919
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:15,320
like cool I can catch this and then you don't you don't there's not even a fucking chance

920
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:21,200
you get laid out within the first two rounds of combat you die three times which is more

921
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:29,320
times than you're allowed in traditional D&D and I still save your ass it's so much so

922
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:35,480
all of last session I was like cool your powers taken away your identity fucked your job gone

923
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,800
your best friend hates you all of everybody in your party but two people know about this

924
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:46,320
heinous ass thing that you did have fun man it's it's the it's the equivalent of a character

925
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,000
death because that's the only way I could properly communicate like just the level of consequence

926
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,760
that came with all the fucking actions he was making yeah it was god damn man it was

927
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,960
nutty anyways to pass me on that negative Nancy we kind of we've talked about this on

928
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,360
another episode and we talked about this little bit this episode too on the flip side of not

929
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,880
making decisions for other people also don't shoot down every single thing a person is

930
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,200
trying to do and just saying no I don't want to that kind of goes back to the example we

931
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,880
were talking about the robot thing where I was like hey man I'd like to give you a paint job

932
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,120
because this is what the DM just told me I should do and you go no and then it turns

933
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,640
into a conversation where it's like okay well what would you like and your response is just

934
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,840
no no I don't think so yeah it's like at that point and we talked about this in one of the

935
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:38,520
other episodes where we were talking about like in the episode yes and which is probably

936
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,920
my favorite episode that we recorded and also has the lowest amount of listens but that's

937
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,400
besides the point y'all should stream that episode but that episode we talk a lot about

938
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:54,520
like you know kind of the rules of improv and not just being like no and what you can

939
00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:00,600
do instead of just saying no and like shooting down not only the player in that moment but

940
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,000
it also shoots down the person who's like shoots me down man when I'm like giving you

941
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,640
fucking dialogue or like hooks or plot points and this isn't just like oh I am a DM and I

942
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,720
wrote several hooks that would have been cool and they just didn't roll high enough or they

943
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:19,320
just weren't interested like that should happen it's when I'm like hey again here's a really

944
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,520
great way for you to explore this aspect of your character and I'm gonna hand it to you

945
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:30,000
in the form of dialogue with another character and you just go nah yeah nah I'm okay thanks

946
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,040
though this is another one and I just kind of wrote this down on the list and I like

947
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,160
wrote it in a really bad way anytime like a player is like really trying to put themselves

948
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,600
out there and like DM as well anytime someone's like really putting themselves out there and

949
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:51,080
you're just like not putting any like any energy back of like if a player is really

950
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:57,360
trying like PC and PC of being like hey I think that there's like a really cool like

951
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,600
friendship that we can develop here or like form some type of relationship and I'm not

952
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,080
saying in a romantic way at all I'm just saying that you should have a relationship with the

953
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,720
other members in your party that's just what makes for a more interesting game and they're

954
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:14,360
trying to like explore that and like have a connection or like have a moment and you're

955
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,720
just not like giving any energy to the shared universal experience at our table now a table

956
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:24,520
now that is becoming gag in this universe that part of the ritual of being inducted

957
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:31,840
into this group is is trying to have a conversation and form a relationship with you guessed it

958
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:38,520
the robot sounding so bad because so many of these examples we've you he's truly he's

959
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:43,680
been great he's so fun to watch play this is the most into a character he's been he's

960
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,720
got really cool abilities he's done a lot of great things for and with the party he's

961
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:56,960
just on all social aspects and social fronts he is just a fucking on movable wall like

962
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:04,640
Madison who is unstoppable force of conversation has been fucking dead walled by the unmovable

963
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,640
object that is so many time robot because it's like here's a character that's fun and

964
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,880
bubbly and wants to have conversations and asking questions and then here's a character

965
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,200
who sees zero interest in having conversation yeah there's no point there's no objective

966
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:23,640
there's no job cool not talking if you're a character who is like supposed to be edgy

967
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,360
and supposed to not like people I think there's ways that you can do that and show that at

968
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,480
the table other than just stonewalling because I think that there's a way that you can kind

969
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:37,720
of be like like oh here we go again and like act like playfully annoyed by it or like you

970
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:41,040
don't have to be dark and broody and keep the whole fucking campaign you know what I'm

971
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,720
saying or if you're gonna be like dark and broody and annoyed by it make it a bit see

972
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:48,440
on the flip side of that too like we have a dark we have a dark and broody character

973
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:54,880
I say that with huge quotations at our table and on the opposite end of that spectrum my

974
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,320
guy I love him death one of my best friends in this whole world cannot commit to being

975
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:06,840
edgy or dark or broody no save life though it's so funny he's so nice in real life and

976
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:14,680
so empathetic that playing a hard line edgy Batman but like a little worse kind of character

977
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:20,920
just does not fucking translate and it throws people off like no other yeah everyone at the

978
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,480
table knows what he's supposed to be like and then he's like yeah you want to get coffee

979
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,440
you want me to pay for your tuition you want me to like I don't know hold your hand or

980
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,520
like you get belly rubs or is crazy this is a man who like actively tortures criminals

981
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:38,560
and everyone goes and what did you say and within like the first two sessions is like

982
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,680
I'm your dad now and we kind of joked in the beginning about him being sort of like the

983
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,400
dad Batman where it's like alright chums like here's 20 bucks to go get ice cream yeah

984
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,320
it's like that well I got a scrumptious like suddenly has like all of the robins and like

985
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,760
the bright colored costumes but it's such a fucking odd mix man because it's like anytime

986
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,440
other players aren't in scene he's edgy is all shit but then anytime there's another

987
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:06,680
NPC in the room he's like hey we're like best friends and I love you so much so there was

988
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,320
a really cool moment last session where it was my character and his character and his

989
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,600
character has all these shadow powers and my character has all these light powers so

990
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:19,680
it's already a fun dynamic and he's basically decided that he's like the either like the

991
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,760
cool older brother or like the borderline father figure and is like taking care of so

992
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,920
much like stuff for her definitely the latter it's like he's now trying to make another

993
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:34,800
character his Robin yeah it's like it's crazy and then there was a part where he was like

994
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,200
they were on patrol together and he was like follow my lead this is how I take down like

995
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:43,120
this is how I like bust a drug deal and she was like I don't agree with your methods at

996
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:49,680
all like I actually have a lot of issues with the way that you do things and he was just

997
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:56,000
kind of like oh okay you've got a point and there was Robert was like hey explore that

998
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,320
please yeah have a conversation about it and it was a really cool conversation and it was

999
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,640
like a fun moment this last session like truly I stepped over a lot of lines that I don't

1000
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,680
like stepping over which is giving people very clear directions for a particular action

1001
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,840
and then the conversation in the role playing thing it hasn't lacked in the last few sessions

1002
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,160
but there are some players that just need more help than others when it comes to having

1003
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:23,120
that direction and if it requires me to like physically go explore that conversation or

1004
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,280
you like even if it's not me telling you directly just like you get the feeling that there's

1005
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,560
like something in this conversation that you need to hash out or that it would be really

1006
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,600
beneficial for you both to talk about that or you feel really strong about this and

1007
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,720
and want to continue that conversation like I don't want to hand you or tell you what

1008
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:42,480
you have to do or have to feel but like when there are very clear moments for some really

1009
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,560
cool and genuine role play at the table don't get mad at me when I tell you to explore it

1010
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,040
man and I think that kind of goes with the whole like like trying to reach out and trying

1011
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,360
to like explore relationships between two characters.

1012
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:53,360
It turns out to be a really nice conversation.

1013
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,800
Yeah and I think that those are the moments that are so cool and that's what makes things

1014
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,240
that you see like a critical role in like dimension 20 where you have people crying

1015
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:04,760
at the table it is because they have these inner party relationships and they have these

1016
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:05,760
interpersonal relationships.

1017
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,600
Definitely see that happening at some point in this campaign.

1018
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,400
Yeah and I think there's a real possibility for it and it's so much fun to have those

1019
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,480
moments with those how it kind of in that same realm.

1020
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,560
One of the other pet peeves I just wrote down like being overly secretive and this is something

1021
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,840
that we've had like a lot at our table.

1022
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:31,040
Because with your DM by the fucking okay well earned myself a reputation last semester in

1023
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:36,760
the semester beforehand of being very like by the not by the book but very brutal DM

1024
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,440
and that everybody's life was up for grabs.

1025
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,520
Now I didn't start that way but it's certainly fucking into that way because of the amount

1026
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:50,160
of insane decisions that were being made like cool we're gonna go fight the BBG or we're

1027
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,360
gonna hop here and go there and like alright consequences the reactions man.

1028
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,960
Okay fair but.

1029
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:01,400
And then now this semester nobody wants to share personal information with me about their

1030
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:06,560
characters as a DM because they're afraid that I'm gonna use it to hurt them.

1031
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:12,200
Okay I want to defend myself for a second here in the last campaign literally every

1032
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:18,440
single character and I mean every single character that Magnolia not even loved but

1033
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:26,760
knew got either slaughtered by the BBG or turns out it actually was the BBG the whole

1034
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,640
time and he was just in disguise.

1035
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:34,760
Motherfucker only knew like three people because turns out all of them were the bad guy just

1036
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,760
in a disguise.

1037
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,760
Yeah.

1038
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,760
And now Robert's like why don't you want to tell me about your loved ones in the game.

1039
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:40,760
Motherfucker.

1040
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:41,760
I get it.

1041
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,520
I think part of it I think that was sort of my expression of like you're the longest

1042
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,400
lived character in this campaign you continue to get away with absolutely insane consequences

1043
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,880
with little to no bodily harm.

1044
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,000
There's only one other route I can take with the exception of just saying hey man I shoot

1045
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,600
you in the back of the head with a gun Lenny style and that's just.

1046
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:00,600
Jesus.

1047
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,120
Removing things that she cared about man.

1048
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,120
All of them.

1049
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:09,080
Yeah I mean the BBG had like an obsession man it was like we got a break in brutalized

1050
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,520
this character to get her to like turn to it.

1051
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,600
It's like the whole dark side thing with like Superman like he's always like part of it

1052
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:19,240
is like yeah I want to kill him but like the better option if I can break this motherfucker

1053
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,120
is that he comes over to my side or like with the fucking yellow lantern rings it's like

1054
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,920
if man if I can get him to just switch for like two seconds.

1055
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,960
Truly the only reason she did not go on like a full evil arc is out of so proud of her

1056
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,560
though she never went down that route.

1057
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:39,240
It was all out of spite because she did like her morals fully aligned with the bad guys

1058
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,240
in almost every way.

1059
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,760
She's gonna flip any moment and Madison was like you know what just despite every one

1060
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:44,760
of you know she's not.

1061
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:50,320
Yeah it was truly if she had been approached by the bad guy in any other way other than

1062
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,600
kidnapping and slaughtering the family she would have been like yeah sure that sounds

1063
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:54,600
like a great idea.

1064
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,840
Yeah there was never like a let's make a deal man.

1065
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:58,840
It was always like.

1066
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,920
No it was I'm gonna kidnap your family you want to make a deal you want to be partners.

1067
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,920
No you just killed my mom.

1068
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:09,040
Yeah going back to the whole like being secretive thing like with Batman characters which again

1069
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:14,160
funny thing there's a character who definitely could use a little bit more secrecy to their

1070
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:20,080
role play and to their like in-game persona but on the flip side of that as well there

1071
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,400
are certain things about your character that I mean other people at the table can either

1072
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:31,600
work with really well or that will sort of let your your PCs bond together whether that's

1073
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,460
where you're from how you feel like it's become a routine thing and this is not me complaining

1074
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:41,160
about the robot this is sort of a positive thing in my mind part of what I've begin what

1075
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,880
I've begun to do every session is to have some one-on-one time with him at the table

1076
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,960
where I ask him to explore his emotions and then he actively role plays that into the

1077
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:55,720
rest of how he acts for the rest of the the session so like the session that we discovered

1078
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,680
kindness was a thing he started to like acknowledge that he at least enjoyed being around the party

1079
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,840
members but before that he was just like their people like they're just beings that I happen

1080
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,280
to be around in this particular circumstance which for a robot that thinks it feels in

1081
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:15,880
binary I totally get that yeah but then the way that that doesn't work is I'm just going

1082
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:21,400
to withhold information from you because I don't trust anybody ever yeah and it's also

1083
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:26,200
a thing of like and this was definitely a thing that like I did is Magnolia which is

1084
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:31,800
you have very important information that affects the rest of the party if you know for example

1085
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:37,600
with Magnolia that you are like a part of like a big scheme and like someone is like

1086
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:42,760
trying to steal you and like rip your heart out of your chest yeah maybe tell the party

1087
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:50,960
members why that's happening maybe tell them that this is going on yeah no 100% we are

1088
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,400
running out of time unfortunately so the last thing on our list which is also kind of ironic

1089
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:01,480
is just another 30 minutes please now she has no written in all caps underneath it my

1090
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:08,320
feelings as a DM are a little mixed on this one there are certain times where I like with

1091
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:15,720
enough push in enough peer pressure maybe a roll of a dice or a negative consequence

1092
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:21,760
that somebody is willing to incur I will sit down and open my laptop for another half hour

1093
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:27,400
there are other times were like when I close the session on a cliffhanger I'm doing that

1094
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:33,960
for a reason one right yeah one could be that's a cool moment to end on and I would like everybody

1095
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,720
to think about what's gonna happen in the next session two is I need to write and I'm out

1096
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,480
of shit to do like shit to talk about and do this this session so I'm calling things

1097
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,840
and there's a time and a place where it's like just another 30 minutes and then there's also

1098
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:53,320
shut the fuck up yeah I told you were done were done like you can ask me once you don't

1099
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:59,920
like it don't fucking badger me man as a player who always is like like I could play infinitely

1100
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:03,720
like I don't need a time limit like I could play forever is a DM sometimes I could too

1101
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,440
but like that's not the fucking timetables were working with you know I agree but so

1102
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,640
there's moments where I am like pushing and I'm like oh come on just a couple more minutes

1103
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,120
it's always a fun balance trying to figure out in the moment of like okay is this a day

1104
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:18,160
that I can like push or is this a day that I cannot because there have been times where

1105
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,760
Robert has been like okay roll a d20 whatever it lands on will play for that many more minutes

1106
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,280
and then it ends up being like another fucking hour yeah like I'm a sucker for playing too

1107
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,640
man like I wouldn't I wouldn't have DM for almost two years now and played for three

1108
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:35,440
if it weren't for the fact that I enjoy the hobby yeah I feel like we need to do an episode

1109
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,040
about positive things is this that's what I was gonna say I feel like we should go ahead

1110
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,720
and end it here but I think a good handoff to this would be join us for the next episode

1111
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,040
which will be a part two to pet peeves it'll be all about positive things that we enjoy

1112
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:51,040
at the table good like sort of fun role-playing moments we've seen from players are just good

1113
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:55,920
sort of habits maybe that people have started to form or if you have any examples send them

1114
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:01,600
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1115
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:08,880
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1116
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:22,560
yeah we'll see you next week thank you all for joining in goodbye