Hello players who won't stop talking when it's someone else's story beat.
And DMs who make fifth grade puzzles that their adult players can't solve in less than
two hours.
Welcome back to Table Talk, I'm Maddie.
Real fucking story.
I'm Robert.
What are we talking about today?
Funny enough, it today is pet peeves.
So talking about- I'm so excited for this episode.
She's been asking to do this episode, I think the last three or four times we've recorded
it and I just haven't really felt up to it because it is a little mean-spirited in nature,
but also if you know me in real life.
That's a wild thing for you to say that you don't want to do it because it's mean-spirited.
Well because I'm like baseline mean-spirited, so like to intentionally do it or go over
the top with it feels- It feels wrong.
Yeah, it feels wrong.
Because you're just mean unintentionally all the time.
I just got a line to draw, man.
My naturally rigid personality has lines too.
Okay.
I think there's morals there somewhere.
Exactly.
Anyways- If it helps, I talked to our housemates last night and told them we were doing this
episode today and asked permission to share some specific stories and instances.
Did you talk to one or did you talk to both?
I talked to one and I talked to another one about it previously.
So I have permission.
Fun stuff.
Anyways, today's going to be all about things that happen at the table.
Excuse me, sorry that we like or don't like, mostly don't like really sort of the episode
being specifically pet peeves.
So should people do that we hate?
Yeah, we talked a little bit ago in one of the episodes.
Shout out Table Talk.
You should go listen to all the episodes if you're listening to this and you haven't
listened to another one before.
Every one of them.
We talked about like how to be a good player because we talk a lot and like touch on the
idea of like don't be an asshole player.
Don't be a dick.
Be helpful, be good.
But we like this is also kind of a clear guide on things not to do, which granted like take
this all with a grain of salt.
Some of these are like our personal.
And some of them are like general like okay, manners maybe a little manners maybe a little.
So we got we have a list and start.
I will gladly start unless there's one that you want to start with.
You can take that first one.
This kind of bullet point was like note being prepared, which kind of goes with like note
taking but show me your fucking character.
Yeah, like it.
And listen, we both have ADHD.
We get it.
We do.
But if you're sure if you show up to D&D.
More than once without your character sheet and you like don't have a photo of it on your
phone or you don't have it like saved on your laptop like what are you doing?
That's part of the reason why having digital character sheets while it does take away some
of the fun of like having to flip through your physical one, which is in my opinion,
maybe a hot take infinitely more annoying than it is fun because of the novelty.
I'd much rather just have a digital character sheet.
I agree.
Anyways, it was the thing where we had done our previous two semesters with digital sheets
only because we started abroad and didn't I mean we could have printed off physical
ones.
And digital ones are just so much easier.
So we never had to worry about people showing up with like the stuff that they have to have.
We also like omitted every aspect to memory.
We also lived in like the same building.
So like cool.
Somebody forgot their character sheet.
Go back to your room and get it real quick when you're driving somewhere.
Yeah.
And then we switched to paper characters.
I mean, it's really the only way that you could not show up with your character sheet
with the way that we did things was not bringing your cell phone and the chances of that happening
or slim to fucking none.
Yeah.
I don't care who you are.
But then we switched to physical character sheets this semester because it's a non-traditional
system.
It's homebrew.
And so it doesn't have a lot of mechanics in it that do not correlate directly to the
traditional 5e character sheet.
And then of course people started showing up without them.
Like very quickly, like we were two, three sessions deep and it was, I don't have my
character sheet.
Cool.
You can't play the fucking game.
And then I...
It was like, do you have a photo of it on your phone?
No, I have no idea what any of my stats are.
Yeah.
And then they're like, I don't want to call it specific people.
But then one of them was like, yeah, I think I've like lost it, lost it.
Like I need to remake the whole character.
And I'm like, I don't.
Do you remember what my character stats were?
No, motherfucker.
That's your job, man.
I have your health and AC down.
Those are the only two things that I absolutely need to know.
I will occasionally take a glance in preparation for like a fight.
Because something that Brennan's always...
Brennan Lee Mulligan has always said and a couple of different things is like...
Say I'm Brennan like you're just buddies.
Brennan, yeah.
You know, Brennan.
I was just talking to Brennan the other day.
I was talking about Brennan Lee Mulligan stuff that he says.
He's always said that like, no, your PC's sheets.
Know their spells.
Because it's going to be a real hard time when you design a full fucking encounter that
just gets absolutely countered by your players having a single spell.
Separate ran it in of itself.
Point being, take a fucking picture, man.
Take a picture, make copies.
I don't give a shit.
But when we're like 10 minutes away from starting the session and you're like trying to figure
out what the fuck your charisma stat was.
It's bad.
This also kind of goes with note taking.
Now I'm an obsessive note taker.
We've talked about it before.
I'm probably going to do a whole episode on note taking in the future.
But, and I'm not saying that everyone needs to like take detailed notes, but you should
have basic information.
I mean like you should have the names of your parents or like that super key information
that was like given to you.
Just you, just your character last session.
And then you don't remember any of it and you just have to spend so much time at the
table rehashing or like the note taker is sitting over here looking at the notes knowing
what you are supposed to know and then you as a player don't have anything written down
or like don't have any way of knowing.
And if you've got a great memory, that's so cool.
That's great.
But if you don't, there is no harm in writing down the name of like the place that you're
from.
So every time you're like have some downtime, you don't have to be like where am I from?
What's my dad's name?
Oh sick, me too.
And it's just a lot of like.
It's like a fucking newborn every time you sit at the table and you're a newborn with
lights.
Like that's it dude.
And that's why I kind of like link the two of them together.
It's just about like preparedness because like it's one thing if you forget a pencil
or even if you forget dice, that has happened so many times.
How?
How do you forget dice?
That is crazy to me.
Dice to me is wilder than the character sheet thing man.
Because you're going to have it at minimum unless you're a fucking psychopath, you have
to have at least a bag to put them in.
God forbid you store them loose.
Which some people do that.
By the way some people, a person living in our house has a thing to put them in and stores
them loose on a countertop.
Who?
Never mind that's not a podcast thing to air.
It's not a podcast thing to air.
I'll find that out later.
But it's fucking annoying because he always sets them right next to his little case that's
meant for holding dice.
Oh yeah, I know who it is.
Anyways.
That's crazy.
Loose dice, no that's on my pet peeveless.
Loose dice?
What the fuck?
It's not something physical to store them in whether it is a bag or a box.
And I understand character sheets to a degree because they're paper, maybe they get fucked
up, maybe you spill water on them, maybe they get torn in half or they fall in a crack
or whatever the fuck.
You have a bag of dice, that shit is loud as fuck.
Or at least Lego style, you'll step on it and figure out where you left it man.
That shit drives me nuts.
Bro.
It's less of a pet peeve for me just because I have an ungodly amount of dice and I like
sharing and letting other people borrow my things because I'm a gift giver.
So I'm fine letting people borrow dice and stuff but it's crazy to just show up completely
unprepared.
The note taking thing gets me because the amount of times that we have sat at the table
and there's been a big piece of information that is revealed to one specific person and
then the next session they go, wait what are you talking about?
What happened last session?
I don't remember what was on that really important document that we were given.
I'm like bro, get it the fuck together.
Together indeed, get it there please.
Alright, so the next one, of course you're gonna hand this one to me.
The next one, and this is maybe sort of not kind of directed at specific people.
We've all been there, I'm not gonna name drop.
It's happened several times at my table.
What's happened at times at other people's tables is just a general atonement.
I've been in situations where this is very much a thing.
Where?
Deodorant.
I don't care if it is 10 o'clock at night, I don't care if it's 9 in the morning, I don't
care if you took a shower an hour ago, I don't care if you took a shower two days ago.
You do not smell like you think you smell to anyone else but yourself.
Your funk, you become immune to it.
It does not smell like roses and your deodorant is knocking me the fuck out.
Sorry, lack thereof.
I'll say as someone who's like, wear it.
This goes in very similar any time that you are in a closed space with other people.
And I don't mean to sow seeds of paranoia in people, but maybe a little.
I personally from Target bought a $3 travel size deodorant that I keep with my purse at
all times because I'm paranoid.
Let me tell you, any time that you're playing a game in closed quarters with people or anything
like that, I promise you, I don't mean to make people paranoid.
Just be aware of your hygiene.
Be aware of your hygiene.
Because it's getting to the point where I'm going to start keeping a stick at the table
and then throwing it at people that need to put it on.
Jesus Christ.
I'll even get different generic ones so I can put people's names on them so we don't
have to use the same stick.
Now I feel like I need to.
If I'm going to sit, I mean, I have the benefit of being like light years away at the new
setup, but like even then when I'm walking around the table and you lift your arm to
roll dice and I get hit with the rank is fucking with Jesus Christ.
I love you all.
That's also a fun thing with playing at a table full of men and at an all male table
is it is a lot worse definitely with men than it is with women because I feel like
you're all more keyed in on the whole hygiene thing.
Yeah, because I've played in an all them table a couple times.
No stinky people there.
Yeah, and I will say it's so funny and I don't mean this in like a mean way at all.
The all them table that I played at there were like so many like little crafts and like
DIY things that we did and like had a little buffet set up and then when we play.
Yeah, minute minute year basically they show up with the sheet optional.
It's like a loose sheet.
There's no folder.
There's no bag.
It's like it is just loose paper and like a handful of loose dice and they're like
ready to play.
Every femme person that I've played with has like a neat little folder and like their
own coordinated stuff.
It's it's it's so funny.
I don't mean to be reductive in any way, but it is just my personal experience.
We're just not encouraged to be extra about fucking anything.
So like why am I going to be extra about a game that requires three things?
Maybe which is my mind dice in a piece of paper and you still forget two of those things.
That's what sometimes people forget all three.
I was about to say yeah all three depending on what time of the morning it is.
Oh yeah, that's another thing.
Fucking teeth man.
This is gonna this.
No, I was gonna say this.
This is also for myself.
Take your meds.
I don't mean that in a bad way and I don't mean to like shit on people who like take
medication.
I'm on several medications.
There's no shame in the medicine game.
If you know that you have something like ADHD, maybe taking your medication before
you play the game where you are like gonna be sitting down for long extended amounts
of time and there aren't like recess rates.
Or you know that the lack of medication is gonna make you absolutely fucking miserable
to be around.
I don't take my meds when when I'm doing a session just because it helps me like not
being on this maybe the argument against not being on ADHD medication for me.
It helps me ad-lib a lot more.
And improv because I'm a little too hyper fixated when I am on my medication but like
that's not the fucking problem.
Like that's not what we're running into here.
Take your meds man.
Which this is kind I don't know if I want to segue into this point that I did not write
down on the list.
After saying that because I don't want it to sound like bad or in like conjecture to
like having ADHD or like having something that you have to take medication for.
But this is where my brain goes because I also fidget a fuck 10 when I don't take my
meds.
So I'm just gonna talk about fidgeting for a minute.
Bring toys man.
Bring fidget toys or like something to do with your hands if you know that you're someone
who can't like sit still and be engaged for long amounts of time because I it's a long
sessions I get it.
It's hard and often times taking breaks to like stand up and walk around or even like
do like fucking jumping jacks in your seat.
But when you are getting into a full like brawl with the person next to you and y'all
are playing like fucking footsies and like hit each other across the table.
That's a good fight at three of our guys at the table that will basically fist fight
each other in the middle of dialogue.
And then when either myself or occasionally Madison are like hey guys what's up they're
like we're not doing anything wrong.
We had to change the seating arrangement.
I had to get them semi assigned seats because putting two of them next to each other was
too much for them to handle.
They kept grabbing each other's asses and like punching each other and in fucking messing
with one another like it's just.
It was it's a lot.
I get it man.
And like I get it.
I get it.
I fidget a ton.
But but sometimes just kind of be cognizant of like the tone in the room.
KHD your phone does not fucking count.
Your phone does not count.
And you know how I know your phone doesn't count because all of your fucking character
sheets are on paper this time mother fuckers.
What you looking at huh.
That's so real.
And the book that you need the answers to is with me.
What are you looking at man.
I swear to God people at art table have like watched old movies.
I'm gonna get a phone box.
That is at the table.
It's crazy.
I understand that these games are long guys and I understand it's not always like a moment
that you personally are involved in.
But when you when someone pulls out their phone and you just hear a fucking tick tock
audio full blast.
Well they're men and they listen to their phone all the way at like top volume at all
times and you're just like in a really like intense moment and then you just say what's
a fucking tick tock audio.
I don't know.
I well you just hear a fucking like tick tock audio going off.
It's like hello.
That's so cool.
Could you not the phone.
Not could you actually like so not the phone box.
Yeah I think that actually leads really well on to the next one of those which is be considerate.
It's not on there as a bullet point but it sure as shit should be stay off your fucking
phone for one right now.
And then the other one is get snacks and drinks before you sit down.
Yeah come fucking prepared like again I know they're long sessions.
I know they're in the morning.
If I had it my way we would be doing these things at like a six or seven a night like
we still had it happen when we did it at night.
Yeah but it wasn't it didn't feel as bad then because it's like people got to get dinner
and you whatever whatever it's like it's 9 a.m. most you are coming from another house
anyways and one of you two of you live here.
Three of us live there.
Three four of us live there.
Oh yeah.
Four of us live there.
You have time to get food before we sit down at the table.
And it's also a thing of like most D&D sessions you're not going to actually start the second
everyone gets there.
And it's really going to happen is it's going to be like 30 minutes to an hour of like prep
time and it's going to be people talking and like catching up and it's also going to be
people getting the table set up.
We have a table set up where we've got like a TV screen that we use.
So that takes us a couple minutes.
So there's like normally you will have plenty of time to like get settled to get your snacks
to blah blah blah.
But when we sit down and literally within the first 15 minutes of us starting the fucking
game you're like the second I start doing dialogue or like monologuing into the intro
of the session you immediately go up.
I have to pee.
I've got to go get a snack.
Bathroom breaks happen before the session.
Now if you have to pee in the middle that's fine too.
But if we're 30 seconds in man what have you been doing for the last half an hour you've
been sitting at the table watching me plug shit in.
It makes me feel like a teacher in high school.
Not dead ass.
Where it's like you're not pissing during the passing period which like don't get me
wrong passing periods in high school are kind of bullshit because they're like we're
going to give you five minutes to get from one side of the school to the other and you're
a little five foot ass is going to have to push through everyone else because you're
so small and also you're a girl.
So when you have got to go to the fucking bathroom it takes a lot longer than dudes who
could just whip it out and pee and go.
It's like a process.
And so anyway that's my right about that.
But it's like I do feel like a teacher where it's like bro for the last like 30 minutes
we have been digging around.
You didn't think to go to the bathroom then?
Yeah.
Really?
You didn't think to get your breakfast or your snack or whatever then?
I think another point to add to the be considerate list is then this is kind of in the negative
Nancy category as well but this is a slightly more serious thing when other players at the
table are actively giving you criticism it doesn't necessarily have to be about your
role play it could be about your behavior as a fucking person.
It could be about cooperating with the DM who literally controls the fictional universe.
I got permission to tell this story by the way.
It can be any number.
You can tell it.
Yeah.
So the one about the fucking costume thing?
Yes.
I got explicit permission last night.
So one of our players I love him to death.
Everyone has their own stick this semester and it's really great everyone's super into
their characters and then one of our players is also really into his character but he's
playing a robot who is like turned on maybe a month max before the first session.
So he's like a little baby like a little newborn and then he was like socialized with fucking
fish gangsters.
So there's just not a whole lot going on behind the eyes.
In his character he plays very true to what in his mind that character is supposed to
be which is very nonchalant, very dry, very straightforward.
I don't understand like social situations.
I don't get the whole empathy thing and I don't really find a reason and a lot of sort
of extraneous norms and values that the other very human players in my party do.
We're in a superhero campaign.
Now you may be thinking gee I wonder what's required for superheroes like a campaign or
maybe the heroes themselves and I can tell you really quick one of the things you're
going to find in that fucking list is a costume.
And like public opinion is specifically a relief costume.
We were talking about public opinion is like a huge thing for our thing and this robot
character had just decided to dox the biggest mob boss in the part of the city.
When we say dox by the way we mean like address social security number the list of every warehouse
in shipment.
All of his crimes.
His colleagues.
His hard information like every bit of data he had on this guy he put out there for the
world to see.
Nuts.
And so.
Session three by the way.
We're like level three care.
It was a move for sure.
But we were talking and I had talked to Robert beforehand and he was like yeah you know one
of the things that y'all are going to have to deal with is like you should probably update
what this robot is wearing because he currently still looks like the robot that works for
the bad guys like very aggressively it is a very like specific look.
And then we're at the table and Robert goes hey public opinion we're going to talk about
that for a little bit something that would really improve your own public opinion and
that's going to make your lives a lot easier.
Is if you all had hero looks and maybe the robot in particular changed his look.
This was a moment.
I there are very few moments where I want to reach across the table and physically like
fight someone.
While playing D&D.
Thing called throttle.
That's what I say.
When you throttle somebody.
Yeah.
Throttling like.
I came so fucking close.
Yeah.
It got bad.
You can tell this.
I'll take it.
So he.
I start sort of monologuing at the player sort of info dumping about a mechanic that
I wanted to introduce which by the way I wasn't able to introduce until the last session
because that's just how fucking chaotic things have been.
But the mechanic that I wanted to introduce is public opinion and sort of how that was
going to work was that because everybody in the party had essentially become one like
they had all had their assigned public opinions that I didn't really tell them because I
didn't know how the mechanic was going to work before they became a party.
Then they became a party and I sort of tallied up negatives and positives and depending on
how many of those were sort of their jumbled together they came out either negative as
a group or positive as a group.
One of them had just committed what was basically a war crime.
As far as the mob was concerned.
So obviously his public opinion is going to be very negative.
I mean there were the people in the city that were like yeah like down with the mom and
the cod father but then there was also all of the people that got like de-homed and fucking
let go out of really really really solid jobs even though it was a mob boss.
And so his public opinion overall was fairly negative which means it was going to drag
down the sort of perception of the entire party now that they had been seen in public
together a handful of times.
So I said hey man one of the ways that you could address this and hear me out in the
superhero campaign is if you like put on a cape.
You know or like change your color like you can change your physical appearance however
you want to like part of his power which is incredibly broken or like nanotechnology so
being able to change any piece of him it would have been as simple as going okay cool and
then like I'm purple now or like I'm green now.
At a mechanic shop there was paint I was like oh do you want me to like paint you a new
color that would be really cool.
Paint won't stay.
Uh huh yeah I'll just like make my nanobots make it fall off.
And I was like okay well what if we gave you like a hat or something.
Or like mechanical.
That won't stay.
No won't work.
Yeah he goes what's the point.
Like I shit you not I gave three or four different options.
And at this point the whole table is getting quiet because it's now turning into Madison
like the real life person Madison and then the other person who shall not be named like
basically yelling back and forth to each other going wear a costume.
I don't want to wear one.
Wear a costume.
I don't want to wear one.
It was at one point I do remember going hey this is me Matty talking to you.
I'm trying to do what Robert just fucking said to do.
Yeah so then I jumped in as a demon I was like hey listen I'm not I'm not about hostility
at the table but Madison kind of has a point in that you might want to put on something.
And this was I mean I don't I don't like stepping across as particular boundaries as a DM I like
letting people figure out their own way making their own decisions even if I think they are
incredibly idiotic.
And sometimes there have been a lot of this semester.
We'll hit that in a little bit.
A lot of them this semester but that was one where I was like I get like a thought process
but truly it's going to be more detrimental to your party members than it is you if you
do not find some sort of alternative look when you go out in public.
And his response was basically like I'm a robot or like Chip his name is Chip Chip is a robot
Chip sees no reason zero reason to change his appearance.
There is no incentive.
There is no motive.
There is no job reason.
He is a war bot created by the federal government.
Zero fucking reason to look any different in his mind because he just doesn't care about
societal norms and values.
And that response to me was OK.
I get that but like put on a fucking cape put on a cape put on a hat do something you
know what I'm saying like just but that's kind of where the be considerate thing goes
when other players are actively sort of asking you or telling you to do things at the table
it you feel free to talk to me or talk to your DM after the fact if you don't want to
have that conversation there but like it's going to be a lot easier going forward as
a party and as a group of friends and people if everyone is on the same page like if that
had happened and I absolutely hated the way Madison handled that situation and London
came to me and was like hey I'm about to stop showing up because Madison is getting on my
nerves and I would have pulled Madison aside and be like hey bro chill the fuck out right
like we're good I got this that's my job I'd like that that's what I'm there for and I
have said that a couple of different times not necessarily in that way but just to the
table as a whole like that's what I'm there for I don't need somebody doing my job for
me and that goes into did you ride it or did I oh my fucking god.
Oh my god bro I'll let you do the player side of this in a second but just hopping in as
a DM.
Go for it.
You as a player do not, did not, have not will not write this fucking story.
You don't set the events, you don't determine how people react to you.
You do have an influence on the story like we've talked about in other episodes but for
the sake of the pet peeves.
Like you are yes but you can influence the world and you can make decisions that deeply
deeply deeply and profoundly affect the other people at the table and the NPCs in the world
like that's what I feel like I've done most successfully this semester is make a living
breathing world where everything has a consequence.
But also you don't write the story.
You are not the main character.
You cannot just make dumb fucking decisions willy motherfucking nilly because you feel
like it.
Because what is going to happen is your character is going to die in a campaign that I designed
so the characters didn't have to die.
Keep it together man.
This is something that he's been dealing with too much lately and it's kind of some of
the other points I've touched on under here like on the list and we'll probably, we might
get into a specific example of it.
You want to talk about your side of that?
Yeah I would love to.
My biggest pet peeve with the concept of did I write it or did you?
Like whose fucking story is it?
Ever and this is like maybe this is also me as like an actor.
One of the biggest notes that in like rules that you know as an actor is you don't give
another fucking actor a note.
You don't say hey I think you're doing this scene wrong try it this way instead.
No you don't fucking do that.
Don't tell another goddamn player what decision their character is going to make.
The amount of times that I've been like and I've already talked to everyone who's like
done this to me about it like the amount of times that I'd be like hmm I'm trying to figure
out what to do and I say that out loud and everyone goes like.
She needs to do this.
She would do this.
Do that.
Do there.
Freak out.
Motherfucker.
Yeah you're not.
This is not your character.
You're not the one role playing Helmslice.
And like don't tell another player how their character should react to things or what their
character should do.
Because that shit just goes through me because it's like this is a character that I have
created.
I know them better than you do motherfucker.
And see that's where it gets messy too though because it's like your decisions as that character
can and often will impact sort of the other like the other characters at the table.
And so I get the natural instinct to be like we're in this really high stress moment.
You're about to make a decision.
Please do this or don't do that.
And now I've never done this before.
This semester have had to as a DM as of last session step in and go don't make this decision.
People are now asking me before they make decisions is this the right thing to do.
And I'm like for most of the part that's your choice but also I'm telling you now the bad
news bears.
Bad news bears.
Please think before you fucking leave man.
And the thing that kills me though is every time I've had this issue it's never a high
stakes situation.
No.
It is never anything dramatic.
It is always like hmm I don't know what to do in this combat encounter and everyone's
like she would do this.
And I'm like she would tell me more about what she would do.
The character that I made.
And there's a difference between helpful criticism or like where it's like hey I really like
the way that you did this or talked like that or used this voice or used that power.
Here's something else that you could maybe do next time.
Like there's a difference between that and going this is what I think you should do.
And then there are also helpful times though during combat when everybody is working as
a group or even just in a regular sort of investigation scenario where talking to each
other as players and as characters is really helpful and giving it to the suggestions and
that way works.
But you're not me.
Respectfully.
You're not me and even I don't cross that line unless I feel like I absolutely have
to.
There is no reason why you as a player should feel that you have the right to then do it
with another player.
Yeah.
It's just not how it works.
It's a crazy stance to me.
And it's another thing if you're like saying in your character's voice to another character
being like hey you should do this in character.
That is completely acceptable to me because that's still within the realms of the game.
But when you as the player sitting next to me are telling me as a player what my character
should do shut the fuck up.
Yeah.
A slightly more light hearted one but also one that annoys me incredibly as rule lawyers
because I'm going to say that it's what my character would do for after because that's
a rant but rule lawyers are something different altogether.
So I slight tangent here at play a lot of different games.
I play Dungeons and Dragons TDRBG.
I play Magic the Gathering.
I play a whole bunch of stuff like I'm also a huge gamer like in my what free time I have
and the one thing that pisses me off the most in one of my roommates who listens to this
podcast every day it comes out.
He's going to know why this is a little targeted.
We love you.
I apologize for that.
I love you dearly.
Rule lawyers piss me the fuck off because it's the same thing as did I write it or
did you.
We're all having fun.
We're all in the moment.
We're all just like trying to play the game and then somebody goes actually that's not
how this works or actually you have to have line of sight actually you're 35 feet away
which means you're just out of range like it's my god or the the head canning stuff and I've
talked about this in a previous episode when you're the DM sure fine whatever makeup your
own rules on the spot.
I don't give a shit.
I'm like yes the spell says you can do that level with me here for a second.
No it doesn't know it does not.
There's no fucking physical way you can do that which being a superhero campaign has
made that a lot more lax but as a player you do not have the right to argue with me and
go that doesn't make any sense or that's bullshit.
Yeah that's you can do it in a fun way and be like oh man motherfucker like that's so bullshit
and then I'll you know behind the screen like haha I made a cool villain like I've managed
to get at them.
Hey this shit sucks.
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or we'll never get better like these fucking guys but when you look at me and you go.
When you start pulling up the receipts it's like do we really want to do this.
That's bullshit.
Did she really have that extra attack?
Did she really have another legendary action?
Is that really an ability that you wrote on her sheet before you sit down on the table?
Does it matter?
That's the thing we talked about.
Does it matter?
We talked about ethically fudging things from a DM perspective.
Half of the time that your DM makes up and bullshit which this is also to say if you
have a good DM I'm sure there's really shitty DMs out there who are like actually no your
spell can't do that.
Sorry.
But half the time that your DM is doing something or fudging something or saying no I'm going
to switch this up.
It is for a thematic purpose at least it is at our table and when you start arguing and
half the time in my experience I feel like rule lawyers also fuck over the people at
the table more like fuck over the party because it's always like actually this ability that
you're doing.
Wait what spell are you using?
No you shouldn't be able to do that because you have this effect.
We haven't had that happen as much as the table as we do with people arguing with me.
Or getting shitty at me because their character went down or they took a lot of damage.
Like listen it goes both ways.
I am also going to remove several like tens of points of hit points from this piece like
this piece in NPC that you're hitting so that way the combat encounter will be over and
you don't go down.
On the flip side of that I'm going to fucking one shot you because you're fighting what
is in universe like one of the strongest characters you could come across.
Don't get mad at me when that happens to you.
Like it's both ways man.
I'm going to make things fun for you.
I'm also going to make things realistic and fun for me on the DM side of things.
I've also seen where you've been you've laxed rules and like kind of changed things around
to benefit players be like okay I know that your spell says that it should only do this
thing.
But I'm going to say that it also.
I know what you're referring to now.
It does this and then the ruler lawyer goes actually no it doesn't and it's like the DM
is giving me extra powers.
Shut the fuck up.
Same person who controls the bot.
We had a moment like this because he had a ability called drone where basically he could
put out a drone and it could shoot at people but he had to take a bonus action or an action
to and I think it was an action to pilot it.
And basically all it did was like roll to hit somebody and I was like that doesn't make
any sense.
And then I think it was something like he had to be higher level like a lot higher level
to use it as a bonus action and I was like that's fucking stupid.
Yeah.
Like and then it was something I think it had to be stationary like it couldn't move
and I was like all right well that doesn't make any sense.
Like I don't care if you are a child flying a drone you still have the ability to move
it a lot.
And you're a robot like you have the ability to process a lot of things at one time.
Please go ahead and take a bonus action to pilot and he's like but that's not what it
allows me to do.
I'm like I know I heard you.
I registered that.
You can go ahead and take that and he's like yeah but I mean that's not like if I don't
have it like I don't have to have it and I'm like I know I get that.
I hear you.
I'm picking up what you're putting down.
And in return.
This was such a fun moment to watch at the table because this was definitely the energy
as well which was okay I'm trying to like help you man.
This is a benefit.
This is a good thing.
This is me going we created a character where in the universe it makes zero sense for you
not to be able to do the thing that we thought you could do.
So take it.
And he's like I'm good.
That's crazy to me.
That was that's still looking back crazy to me.
Yep.
Next thing on the list.
It's what my character would do.
SpongeBob text.
It's the like that's how I I'm not going to lie to you that SpongeBob text that's how
I rule lawyers playing magic when people this again those side changes with people like
this new what this build does or like.
Shut the fuck up.
I'm not going to be on a real I tap this to do that.
That literally that's how I talk and like it like get fucked man.
I get it.
We're all we're all about playing by the rules and being on the same level get fucked.
Take a breath take it somewhere else.
Say it inside.
Yeah.
No lay the fuck off.
Anyways I love you.
The and this goes to the robot thing and then to a character who's been making a lot of
really shitty decisions who I have punished about as bad as I could in the last session.
I get that there are things that in your character parameters you would do and we've talked about
this specifically with Magnolia in the last campaign.
I get it.
I understand it.
We've created a character you really want to like stick to their guns.
You are playing at a table full of other human beings who are also playing characters that
they deeply care about.
Now when the universe and the universe being your DM starts throwing shit your way in game
for you making shitty decisions do not continue to run that into the ground until you are
like fucking forehead deep in shit.
That's just called character death.
That's going to result in me killing your character because it is such a fucking nuisance
to everybody else in the campaign.
And this is something I put under the negative dancing thing that I'm just going to move
up here.
Your life matters in the game.
Your life matters and like the idea of the like it's what my character would do.
Part of it is also like the whole and if you know anything about you probably seen like
the tech talks and the memes of like well my party robs everyone when we're asleep because
it's what my character would do.
They're a rogue like shut the fuck up.
You're still at a table full of other human beings and when you're playing a character
show and this is my this is full like outing myself here with my last character.
I was very very bad about doing this.
Your life has consequences to the party like your party.
If you just kill yourself or like make decisions that result in your character's death the
party is also going to suffer for that.
Yeah.
And like you have other people that depend on you.
You don't operate in a vacuum man like you're especially if your DM is good at what they
do you're in a shared universe where everybody's actions.
Everybody that does not mean everybody when they're together that does not mean everybody
only when they are individually present in a scene.
That means everybody all the time is actively making decisions that have consequences on
the world as a whole.
You're not in a fucking microcosm you're not in a vacuum.
You're not in one single neighborhood and everything that happens inside that neighborhood
never exits that neighborhood.
This isn't a win in Vegas it stays in Vegas.
No it is like this is a real thing.
This is a real 110 percent thing.
So yes please make decisions that are in line with your character it's fun it's role played
but also get some common motherfucking sense and acknowledgement other players are looking
at you going like no dude stop stop stop stop stop stop.
Here's an example of like a time that I've done this and like once again looking back
I think you should recognize your own like flaws and stuff kind of as like a player or
a DM or wherever you stand.
There was a moment in the last campaign and this was very very early on this was like
the first two or three sessions of D&D that we had ever played together.
Our characters were like in another world outside of the end this was like with Magnolia
and the world serpents in which we've talked about before and my character we were talking
to these Eric Cochran like guards and one of them was like a captain of like the fucking
a battalion of a battalion by the way and battalion is 50 motherfucking people.
These were level three characters there were like what four y'all five y'all yeah you can
tell the rest of the story.
Okay he's just glaring at me a lot right now.
I'm telling this story because I recognize my flaws.
Because that was a decision where I should have gone cooler character and the rest of
your party get slaughtered.
Yeah I'm glad you did it.
I got yelled at by everyone though so the captain turns to leave and I was not done
with the conversation and so I look through my little thing and I go okay I've got this
thing called lightning lure which pulls people back.
I wasn't even thinking about the fact that it did damage and it was like a combat spell
so I was like the captain turns starts to fly away and I go hey no and I like cast that
and everyone at the real life table turned to me and I thought I was gonna get jumped
like real life jumped.
Everybody else understood the gravity of the situation especially when he was like yeah
like y'all are y'all are allowed to to leave like respectfully but come back and you're
dead like yeah it was I don't know how you're here I don't like that you're here.
It was bad.
So of course when I go well I'm not done having this conversation I still have questions I
want to answer and then proceeds to try and fucking whip the captain back towards the
party.
It was bad.
It was definitely a thing where I got taken aside and threatened in the game.
I didn't get threatened in real life until later because I will say you're so fucking
insolent right now.
I continued to make decisions like that throughout that entire semester.
I am recognizing my flaws here.
I continuously made decisions that were not great.
There was a moment where it was like cool if you keep pushing and try to do this thing
you are gonna die.
You have a plant that is currently growing through your body and you're still and you're
not gonna pull away from this.
Everybody was like let go let go back off let go let go let go.
She's like no no I'm trying to get some answers here actually.
And I kept doing it and it was a moment where a party member had a spell that came in clutch
and then I did it again later and the only reason I got out of it was in nat 20 and there
was a moment where like after that session Robert pulled me aside and was like you have
to start playing smarter.
You have to stop just touching shit or when you are taking damage not getting the fuck
out because you are going to die.
I think that's the one thing that I've seen a lot of players lack is just fucking survival
in this man.
Like the fly at a fire response is so far removed when you don't have real consequences.
Like it's in real life if somebody pulls a gun on it like on you in the middle of I
don't know let's say a mechanic shop and goes who are you.
They're they're very young they look like they're very nervous very anxious and there's
a real chance like maybe they pulled a trigger on fucking accident.
Yeah.
You as a grown man do not proceed to walk forward no words and put the barrel of the
gun in your mouth.
If you are a person who values their life.
That was one of the crazy how many people listening to this episode would put their
their mouth like fully on and over the barrel of a gun being held by a 21 year old in a
hoodie.
Uh huh.
All they want to know is your name they just want to know who you are why are there and
instead of giving a response you just proceed to give a gun a blow job.
That was I will say as a player one of the craziest moments in my life.
I think everybody at the table also would agree.
Nobody saw that coming I didn't see that coming his this is a grown ass man and this
man has like a home this particular character is a player has made a lot of similar decisions
this campaign campaign.
I think part of it is just he is a person is very impulsive and just likes to do things
with a fuck it we ball attitude.
Yeah which is great within reason.
He's just playing a character that has a lot of social status and has a lot of really
big consequences to a lot of actions like I gave him a lot of responsibility because
I thought that would be fun and what was going to be fun and concept turned into an
absolute shit show in reality because what happened with that responsibility was every
time he came to a major crossroad his response to everything was fuck it we ball and then
he would just make the most chaotic off the wall fucking decision humanly possible.
Yeah like they weren't always like the it in not in a way of like oh I'm playing like
a chaotic neutral character so I'm gonna do something so like nuts that kind of fucks
people over it was like I like you could he would just like panic as a person and then
like get real calm and go all right I know what decision I'm making I'm gonna fucking
I'm gonna give head to the gun and it's like what or last session I'm gonna walk up to
you and snap my phone in half no words exchanged no that was another moment yeah I'm gonna
turn on the murder bot and then fight it instead of backing down in this conversation that
I was given a very obvious out to because I shit you not because fuck it I get it man
role play your character do whatever but like please you just play with like the the tiniest
bit of survival instincts and common sense because it will do a lot and also going back
to like the idea of playing with survival instincts and also knowing that like your actions affect
other people at the table especially when you are making and this also kind of goes
up to one of the points I talked about earlier if you are making a decision that is directly
involved or affecting another character maybe maybe think about it for two seconds or ask
them if you are about to make a major decision for another character yeah out clearing it
with them and don't get me wrong this is something that also happened this happens recently in
our campaign this also has happened in the the campaign before this because I'm yeah
I made plenty of decisions as did several other party members just straight making decisions
for other players and being like nope I'm gonna grab this person and drag them and like or
I'm gonna kidnap I'm gonna hold you hostage and let you ever go home yeah I'm guilty of
this as well but but maybe when your decision is accusing someone of terrorism yeah you
know in a world full of superheroes man it's like truly the equivalent is like walking
into like Marvel comics New York going to like a bank that's down the street from the
Avengers tower and then handing your buddy who's right next to you an assault rifle like
pulling the fire alarm firing a gun in the air and then running out of the building and
like essentially yeah that was kind of like the vibe because now everybody thinks that
you have walked into a bank with a gun everyone thinks that your intent was to rob the bank
and you are in a location that is notorious for having some of the most powerful superheroes
in the world and you just do that and then you peace out and you never say anything to
them yep then you as the friend that handed the assault rifle to your friend who is completely
unaware this was trusting you you just leave yeah and then they have no idea what happened
and they're like huh the federal government just broke into my apartment and this one
police officer showed up and said you gotta get out of town now hide your identity and
what's even with see what's it's not even the same situation in that though because
at least in that situation you're aware of who handed you the gun yeah no I was not aware
this is like if somebody mailed you a gun that already had your fingerprints on it that
was used in a bank robbery and then they called the cops on you and were like hey man I know
that this person has an assault rifle and it was the same one that was used in that bank
robbery again also in the mcu's new york daredevil shows up to your house tomorrow ready to break
all of your legs and you're like hey bro what's up I don't know what's going on yeah what did
I do I'm literally a college student I'm literally a college student don't don't make those decisions
for other people but the uh for reference for every action there is an equal and opposite
reaction most of last session I had one player come up to me afterwards and he was like I
almost kind of feel bad for this particular like for this player because they got dogged
on and I was like listen I gave them and I did I gave this particular player multiple
chances I want to say probably three or four to stop making those kinds of decisions or
to walk them back or to in the spirit of being a hero like do the right thing and he just
kept digging his hole deeper and deeper and deeper so I was like alright man I'ma give
you a heads up right now this action that you're like this choice that you've made in
this decision is literally and this is not hyperbole is going to start a war in your
city you are level five and you want to go to war because somebody called your bluff
and this is right after you handed this person the keys to a new so you know in this moment
that if this person really dislike you enough they could new queue and there's nothing you
could do about it unless you say yeah man I'll give it up yeah what do you what you
tell them dead to their face I'm giving shit up and then they launched the newton you're
like cool I can catch this and then you don't you don't there's not even a fucking chance
you get laid out within the first two rounds of combat you die three times which is more
times than you're allowed in traditional D&D and I still save your ass it's so much so
all of last session I was like cool your powers taken away your identity fucked your job gone
your best friend hates you all of everybody in your party but two people know about this
heinous ass thing that you did have fun man it's it's the it's the equivalent of a character
death because that's the only way I could properly communicate like just the level of consequence
that came with all the fucking actions he was making yeah it was god damn man it was
nutty anyways to pass me on that negative Nancy we kind of we've talked about this on
another episode and we talked about this little bit this episode too on the flip side of not
making decisions for other people also don't shoot down every single thing a person is
trying to do and just saying no I don't want to that kind of goes back to the example we
were talking about the robot thing where I was like hey man I'd like to give you a paint job
because this is what the DM just told me I should do and you go no and then it turns
into a conversation where it's like okay well what would you like and your response is just
no no I don't think so yeah it's like at that point and we talked about this in one of the
other episodes where we were talking about like in the episode yes and which is probably
my favorite episode that we recorded and also has the lowest amount of listens but that's
besides the point y'all should stream that episode but that episode we talk a lot about
like you know kind of the rules of improv and not just being like no and what you can
do instead of just saying no and like shooting down not only the player in that moment but
it also shoots down the person who's like shoots me down man when I'm like giving you
fucking dialogue or like hooks or plot points and this isn't just like oh I am a DM and I
wrote several hooks that would have been cool and they just didn't roll high enough or they
just weren't interested like that should happen it's when I'm like hey again here's a really
great way for you to explore this aspect of your character and I'm gonna hand it to you
in the form of dialogue with another character and you just go nah yeah nah I'm okay thanks
though this is another one and I just kind of wrote this down on the list and I like
wrote it in a really bad way anytime like a player is like really trying to put themselves
out there and like DM as well anytime someone's like really putting themselves out there and
you're just like not putting any like any energy back of like if a player is really
trying like PC and PC of being like hey I think that there's like a really cool like
friendship that we can develop here or like form some type of relationship and I'm not
saying in a romantic way at all I'm just saying that you should have a relationship with the
other members in your party that's just what makes for a more interesting game and they're
trying to like explore that and like have a connection or like have a moment and you're
just not like giving any energy to the shared universal experience at our table now a table
now that is becoming gag in this universe that part of the ritual of being inducted
into this group is is trying to have a conversation and form a relationship with you guessed it
the robot sounding so bad because so many of these examples we've you he's truly he's
been great he's so fun to watch play this is the most into a character he's been he's
got really cool abilities he's done a lot of great things for and with the party he's
just on all social aspects and social fronts he is just a fucking on movable wall like
Madison who is unstoppable force of conversation has been fucking dead walled by the unmovable
object that is so many time robot because it's like here's a character that's fun and
bubbly and wants to have conversations and asking questions and then here's a character
who sees zero interest in having conversation yeah there's no point there's no objective
there's no job cool not talking if you're a character who is like supposed to be edgy
and supposed to not like people I think there's ways that you can do that and show that at
the table other than just stonewalling because I think that there's a way that you can kind
of be like like oh here we go again and like act like playfully annoyed by it or like you
don't have to be dark and broody and keep the whole fucking campaign you know what I'm
saying or if you're gonna be like dark and broody and annoyed by it make it a bit see
on the flip side of that too like we have a dark we have a dark and broody character
I say that with huge quotations at our table and on the opposite end of that spectrum my
guy I love him death one of my best friends in this whole world cannot commit to being
edgy or dark or broody no save life though it's so funny he's so nice in real life and
so empathetic that playing a hard line edgy Batman but like a little worse kind of character
just does not fucking translate and it throws people off like no other yeah everyone at the
table knows what he's supposed to be like and then he's like yeah you want to get coffee
you want me to pay for your tuition you want me to like I don't know hold your hand or
like you get belly rubs or is crazy this is a man who like actively tortures criminals
and everyone goes and what did you say and within like the first two sessions is like
I'm your dad now and we kind of joked in the beginning about him being sort of like the
dad Batman where it's like alright chums like here's 20 bucks to go get ice cream yeah
it's like that well I got a scrumptious like suddenly has like all of the robins and like
the bright colored costumes but it's such a fucking odd mix man because it's like anytime
other players aren't in scene he's edgy is all shit but then anytime there's another
NPC in the room he's like hey we're like best friends and I love you so much so there was
a really cool moment last session where it was my character and his character and his
character has all these shadow powers and my character has all these light powers so
it's already a fun dynamic and he's basically decided that he's like the either like the
cool older brother or like the borderline father figure and is like taking care of so
much like stuff for her definitely the latter it's like he's now trying to make another
character his Robin yeah it's like it's crazy and then there was a part where he was like
they were on patrol together and he was like follow my lead this is how I take down like
this is how I like bust a drug deal and she was like I don't agree with your methods at
all like I actually have a lot of issues with the way that you do things and he was just
kind of like oh okay you've got a point and there was Robert was like hey explore that
please yeah have a conversation about it and it was a really cool conversation and it was
like a fun moment this last session like truly I stepped over a lot of lines that I don't
like stepping over which is giving people very clear directions for a particular action
and then the conversation in the role playing thing it hasn't lacked in the last few sessions
but there are some players that just need more help than others when it comes to having
that direction and if it requires me to like physically go explore that conversation or
you like even if it's not me telling you directly just like you get the feeling that there's
like something in this conversation that you need to hash out or that it would be really
beneficial for you both to talk about that or you feel really strong about this and
and want to continue that conversation like I don't want to hand you or tell you what
you have to do or have to feel but like when there are very clear moments for some really
cool and genuine role play at the table don't get mad at me when I tell you to explore it
man and I think that kind of goes with the whole like like trying to reach out and trying
to like explore relationships between two characters.
It turns out to be a really nice conversation.
Yeah and I think that those are the moments that are so cool and that's what makes things
that you see like a critical role in like dimension 20 where you have people crying
at the table it is because they have these inner party relationships and they have these
interpersonal relationships.
Definitely see that happening at some point in this campaign.
Yeah and I think there's a real possibility for it and it's so much fun to have those
moments with those how it kind of in that same realm.
One of the other pet peeves I just wrote down like being overly secretive and this is something
that we've had like a lot at our table.
Because with your DM by the fucking okay well earned myself a reputation last semester in
the semester beforehand of being very like by the not by the book but very brutal DM
and that everybody's life was up for grabs.
Now I didn't start that way but it's certainly fucking into that way because of the amount
of insane decisions that were being made like cool we're gonna go fight the BBG or we're
gonna hop here and go there and like alright consequences the reactions man.
Okay fair but.
And then now this semester nobody wants to share personal information with me about their
characters as a DM because they're afraid that I'm gonna use it to hurt them.
Okay I want to defend myself for a second here in the last campaign literally every
single character and I mean every single character that Magnolia not even loved but
knew got either slaughtered by the BBG or turns out it actually was the BBG the whole
time and he was just in disguise.
Motherfucker only knew like three people because turns out all of them were the bad guy just
in a disguise.
Yeah.
And now Robert's like why don't you want to tell me about your loved ones in the game.
Motherfucker.
I get it.
I think part of it I think that was sort of my expression of like you're the longest
lived character in this campaign you continue to get away with absolutely insane consequences
with little to no bodily harm.
There's only one other route I can take with the exception of just saying hey man I shoot
you in the back of the head with a gun Lenny style and that's just.
Jesus.
Removing things that she cared about man.
All of them.
Yeah I mean the BBG had like an obsession man it was like we got a break in brutalized
this character to get her to like turn to it.
It's like the whole dark side thing with like Superman like he's always like part of it
is like yeah I want to kill him but like the better option if I can break this motherfucker
is that he comes over to my side or like with the fucking yellow lantern rings it's like
if man if I can get him to just switch for like two seconds.
Truly the only reason she did not go on like a full evil arc is out of so proud of her
though she never went down that route.
It was all out of spite because she did like her morals fully aligned with the bad guys
in almost every way.
She's gonna flip any moment and Madison was like you know what just despite every one
of you know she's not.
Yeah it was truly if she had been approached by the bad guy in any other way other than
kidnapping and slaughtering the family she would have been like yeah sure that sounds
like a great idea.
Yeah there was never like a let's make a deal man.
It was always like.
No it was I'm gonna kidnap your family you want to make a deal you want to be partners.
No you just killed my mom.
Yeah going back to the whole like being secretive thing like with Batman characters which again
funny thing there's a character who definitely could use a little bit more secrecy to their
role play and to their like in-game persona but on the flip side of that as well there
are certain things about your character that I mean other people at the table can either
work with really well or that will sort of let your your PCs bond together whether that's
where you're from how you feel like it's become a routine thing and this is not me complaining
about the robot this is sort of a positive thing in my mind part of what I've begin what
I've begun to do every session is to have some one-on-one time with him at the table
where I ask him to explore his emotions and then he actively role plays that into the
rest of how he acts for the rest of the the session so like the session that we discovered
kindness was a thing he started to like acknowledge that he at least enjoyed being around the party
members but before that he was just like their people like they're just beings that I happen
to be around in this particular circumstance which for a robot that thinks it feels in
binary I totally get that yeah but then the way that that doesn't work is I'm just going
to withhold information from you because I don't trust anybody ever yeah and it's also
a thing of like and this was definitely a thing that like I did is Magnolia which is
you have very important information that affects the rest of the party if you know for example
with Magnolia that you are like a part of like a big scheme and like someone is like
trying to steal you and like rip your heart out of your chest yeah maybe tell the party
members why that's happening maybe tell them that this is going on yeah no 100% we are
running out of time unfortunately so the last thing on our list which is also kind of ironic
is just another 30 minutes please now she has no written in all caps underneath it my
feelings as a DM are a little mixed on this one there are certain times where I like with
enough push in enough peer pressure maybe a roll of a dice or a negative consequence
that somebody is willing to incur I will sit down and open my laptop for another half hour
there are other times were like when I close the session on a cliffhanger I'm doing that
for a reason one right yeah one could be that's a cool moment to end on and I would like everybody
to think about what's gonna happen in the next session two is I need to write and I'm out
of shit to do like shit to talk about and do this this session so I'm calling things
and there's a time and a place where it's like just another 30 minutes and then there's also
shut the fuck up yeah I told you were done were done like you can ask me once you don't
like it don't fucking badger me man as a player who always is like like I could play infinitely
like I don't need a time limit like I could play forever is a DM sometimes I could too
but like that's not the fucking timetables were working with you know I agree but so
there's moments where I am like pushing and I'm like oh come on just a couple more minutes
it's always a fun balance trying to figure out in the moment of like okay is this a day
that I can like push or is this a day that I cannot because there have been times where
Robert has been like okay roll a d20 whatever it lands on will play for that many more minutes
and then it ends up being like another fucking hour yeah like I'm a sucker for playing too
man like I wouldn't I wouldn't have DM for almost two years now and played for three
if it weren't for the fact that I enjoy the hobby yeah I feel like we need to do an episode
about positive things is this that's what I was gonna say I feel like we should go ahead
and end it here but I think a good handoff to this would be join us for the next episode
which will be a part two to pet peeves it'll be all about positive things that we enjoy
at the table good like sort of fun role-playing moments we've seen from players are just good
sort of habits maybe that people have started to form or if you have any examples send them
our way please please please you can comment them on the Instagram page a crescent magazine
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yeah we'll see you next week thank you all for joining in goodbye