Hello players who use D&D instead of therapy.
And DMs who have never once role played as the opposite gender because that'd be a little too weird.
Yeah, we don't want to get weird during Dungeons & Dragons.
I'm Robert, that's Madison.
Hi. This is Table Talk. Welcome back. We're so glad to have you, or if it's your first time listening. Thank you.
It's a be an on place to just come in at because this is a part two of character sheets and shit.
So the last one was Magic Edition where Madison made a sorcerer and we walked you guys through that.
We probably won't do as much hand holding in this one and it seemed like walking through step by step and being quite as meticulous about breakdowns.
I highly recommend you therefore go watch the first one.
So it's kind of like, I want you to listen to this one, but also I'm going to take the opportunity to tell you to watch the first one because you don't do that wrong order.
This one will probably be like significantly shorter than the other.
Yeah, well the other one is an hour and 15, so this one is not going to be closer to like an hour, so maybe just 15 minutes shorter.
But today I'm going to walk through a martial class, so generally speaking there are two different categories of classes in Magic the Gathering, Rockfucking Game.
Try again.
Made by the same company, or at least bought by the same company.
So things that you have sunk, a significant portion of your life into.
Asbro which owns Wizards, which owns both Magic and Dungeons & Dragons.
So I sink a lot of money into both, but anyways, I digress.
Dungeons & Dragons, there are generally two kinds of classes.
There are your spellcasters and there are your non spellcasters.
There are a few anomalies in the mix, most notably the Paladin.
There are also a few of the fighter classes that are like Magic Base.
Yeah, there are also some paths you can take as sorcerers or as different kinds of traditional spellcasters where you rely more heavily on like a melee weapon or a packed blade like with Warlock.
Or like a bard, Jesus Christ.
Yeah, like a bard is kind of a...
Just combine the word bard and sword to board.
So if you're playing a board.
Yeah, but every class generally speaking is technically a spellcasting class.
There isn't a single class that cannot cast spells.
Except for maybe a barbarian when they're enrage.
Yeah, but generally every class has the capability of casting different kinds of spells.
When I say spellcasting class, when I'm referring to the ones that rely on casting spells the most.
Like in terms of combat, in terms of utility.
I mean, that pretty much covers it all, right?
So, barbarian is going to be your straight up, I want to hit things and I want to be big and have a lot of health.
And I want to hit things again.
And again.
And again and again and again and again and then I want to do even more damage when I get a crit hit, which is...
A critical success, critical hit.
So, yeah, I haven't quite decided what I'm going to do yet.
There are many, many options.
Like I said, if you've listened to the first one, which I hope you have.
In the episodes previous to this where we go over most of the traditional races that are present.
In 5e, there are many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many to choose from.
Yes.
But fitting my intro, I am actually going to do a bit of a gender bender on this character.
Which would be my first D&D character I've ever put on paper of the opposite gender.
Only Femme characters.
Role-playing is difficult as a gender that's not yours.
If you're not professionally trained on how to role-play as the opposite gender, which I'm not.
I've played so many boys.
I like exclusively have played little like ambiguously gendered children on stage.
I've played boys so many times.
That's so funny.
That sucks, but also that sucks.
It is exclusively my typecast has been gender ambiguous, poor orphan.
I've played like...
Gender ambiguous, poor orphan.
Or like crazy person in a hat.
I have multiple roles that like fall under that category.
Crazy person in a hat.
Yeah.
Okay, so I think I know...
I've been recently playing a video game on my PA Station 5, not to flex or anything.
Jesus Christ.
I've been recently playing back through a couple of my favorite games.
And so I think today I actually just want to do a character build of somebody that I really like as a character.
Which if you know anything about the game, that might be a controversial statement.
But I'm going to try and build Abby from The Last of Us 2.
As a non-human, because that would be too fucking easy.
So I think I'm going to go with Goliath for the race, which is not technically part of the fifth edition, like the one that was released.
The players handbook.
They do have it on...
D&D Beyond does have it on their page, but it's not part of like the players handbook.
So I am stepping out a little bit.
So I'm going to go ahead and put that on paper.
Race is going to be Goliath.
If you've never played the game, or you don't know anything about the character, she's a fucking mountain.
She's literally huge.
So the opposite character that mirrors her in the game is Ellie, which if you've seen the HBO Max show, or if you've just played the first game...
It's my girly.
She's short, she's small, she's quick, she's fast, she uses a knife, that kind of thing.
Abby is meant to be a rogue.
Yeah, she'd be a rogue.
Abby is meant to be the opposite in that she's big, she's brutish.
She is still very smart, but she's like ripped as fuck.
Like part of your introduction to her when you get to like switch character perspectives is just how ripped she is.
So yeah, I'm going to try and make a very big strong character, and I'm going to go with Goliath for the race because human is just kind of fucking boring.
So Goliath...
It's creative.
No hate to people who play humans, but also there's like...
I feel like hundreds, there's not actually hundreds, but there's eight fuck ton of races to choose from in D&D.
And if you're playing like an escapist fantasy game, I think it's fun to lean into that.
I say, as our current campaign, we are all playing humans, but...
No, there's an android in our group, but we're playing in like a modern setting.
And race isn't quite as relevant, and this one is another one.
It's kind of one of those...
When you get into different settings that aren't 5e related or aren't traditional fantasy, like everyone's kind of a human, but like a jazend.
So it's like...
Like in Star Wars, there's a lot of humans that are like from different planets, so they're like a Chorillian or something like that.
The races are like in this one are like inherited, which isn't really a race.
Race in the Hero setting, wherein is more like how do you get your powers?
It's not necessarily like what kind of a being are you.
Which I mean, there's the option to play an alien in that one, but I've tried to leave aliens alone for most of the part.
Because that's a whole other world.
Yeah, humans, we have human adjacent, but we do also have straight up android, which, you know, why not?
Anyways, the lines are very large.
They are between 7 and 8 feet tall. They weigh between 280 and 340 pounds.
Your size is still medium.
They're like just under the cut for large.
Base walking speed is going to be 30, so I'm going to go ahead and jump that down.
And then I have proficiency in athletics, which totally makes sense for Abby.
She is athletic as all fuck.
She should just be doing shit in that game.
Oh, she does, ma'am.
Like, Ellie's melee combat, she uses either her switchblade or like a picked up weapon.
Abby on the other hand is like just hands.
Yeah, it just...
If you've seen any of the stuff on TikTok talking about anime, she's just left right good night.
Like that's Abby.
She doesn't need a weapon.
No, she fucking doesn't.
And you can upgrade her character so that you can throw hands better.
Like she's trained in close quarters combat, so that's just, you know, she's kind of more military style.
Her lifespan or Goliaths have lifespans comparable to humans.
They enter adulthood into their late teens and usually live less than a century.
So they're kind of equivalent to humans in that sense.
They hit adulthood, it looks like a little earlier.
Maybe, but it's not important right now. I haven't gotten to the age part of things.
So, we've gotten all of that out of the way.
Let's see here, what else? In under the Goliaths.
There's also a couple of traits here. It allows you to...
Let's see here, when you take damage, you can use your reaction to roll a d12.
It's your con modifier to the number rolled and reduce the damage by that total.
That's nice.
Powerful build.
Wait, is that like every long rest or is that just...
Yeah, once per long rest.
Okay, I was going to say that cannot be just every time.
You count as one size larger when determining your carrying capacity and the weight you can push back or lift.
You have resistance to cold damage with Mountain Born.
You are also acclimated to high altitude, including elevations above 20,000 feet.
I mean...
You can speak, read, and write common in Giant.
I mean, the temperature thing actually does fit the setting.
So, I'm going to...
Because I spent half of that in the fucking snow.
Giant... putting things down on my paper, because that's what I would normally be doing.
Larger size.
So, that doesn't mean that it is actually a larger size.
It just means when carrying, pushing, that kind of stuff, which...
When we get to combat in like action economy, I'll talk a little bit more about what size means there,
because generally speaking, when you're just role playing or just doing things about the world,
your size doesn't necessarily matter.
It's more of like a role play thing.
Size doesn't matter, guys.
It's all about how you use it in the game.
Oh, 100%.
100%.
But like in combat, size determines...
I was just trying to be funny.
Yeah, I mean, true.
But she does that sometimes.
Size determines how many squares you take up on a crit.
It determines if you can move past people, that kind of thing.
Yeah, and if you're a small little character, you can dodge through spaces that medium size characters can't.
Yeah, you can walk between things without disadvantage, that kind of fun stuff.
And some large characters will have disadvantage on certain spells and things like that.
So, the next thing I'm going to choose is...
I guess I'm going to pick my class.
Yeah.
I think that makes sense.
I usually don't do things in this order, but I normally start with a class and then go from there.
Let's see here.
I think I'm going to do...
I think I'm going to do Fighter.
I think Fighter makes sense.
I think Barbarian is a little too straight up.
Hands and Marshall, I think.
If I'm trying to play her as true to real life, she's like an expert in using multiple long range weapons.
She's also like very like thought out, so I don't think Rage would like...
I agree.
Yeah, I mean she has a perk that you can get in a game that gives her a Rage like ability,
where like if you do a melee combat take down, you can then immediately follow it up with another one if somebody's close enough.
But I'm not going to push that route.
I'm going to go more of the expertise with guns and ranged weapons.
So, I'm probably going to end up picking a Gunslinger for the subclass once I get to my level three.
I would have gone Battle Master.
So, class, we're going to go with Fighter.
Yeah, but like she uses guns.
No, that's real.
Yeah, what I'm saying, like and it's the only class I get access to guns with.
Yeah.
So, I mean it's also, this is, hey, the other one, I just straight up picked stuff out of the player's handbook
and this one you're getting stuff outside of the player's handbook.
Yeah, this one's, yeah, very much outside.
Um, alright.
See, we planned it.
This is intentional.
Totally.
So now we're going to do ability scores, and then hit points and all that fun stuff,
but we're going to start with ability scores.
Bum, bum, bum, bum.
I didn't bring physical dice, so I'm going to have to roll some, some D6s digitally.
Sorry guys.
Roll for D6.
Or do we want to do point by?
Oh, I guess I can't do point by.
So we can show you multiple methods.
Yeah, so we can show you multiple methods.
You don't have to.
No, no, it's okay, it's okay.
I just, I've never had to do point by physically.
So, I'm going to walk through it.
We're going to pull up an app.
I'm going to put it on my app, and then I'm going to walk you guys through basically what I'm seeing.
So, bear with me.
Okay, it looks like on the app I also need to go ahead and pick my background, so I guess I'll go ahead and get that out of the way.
Um, let's see here.
What are our options?
Um, I'm going to pick soldier, because that makes the most sense.
Um, that's kind of like the primary role.
She fills in the games.
We're going to do soldier.
So point by, if I, let me see here.
Do we want to go ahead and do the rest of background stuff?
Um, no, we'll jump around.
Okay.
We've been non-traditional so far.
I'm not going to.
With it, ADHD.
Yep, I'm not going to push us to be super, super straight on this one.
Um, so yeah, we'll get to personality traits, ideals, bonds, flaws in a minute.
So, it looks like point by the way it works is that every score starts at eight.
That's like the base score.
Um, and then you have a total of 27 points that you can put wherever you want to put them.
So, what that means is if you were to do point by physically, you would write out your six scores.
So, strength, dex, constitution, intelligence, wisdom, charisma.
And then you would put like a little eight by them.
Um, and then you would have essentially 27 points to dump wherever you would like to.
So, let's see how far I can pump a stat really quick before I do the rest of this.
So, it looks like the highest that I can put a stat with point by is 15.
Um, it's not that high.
No, but the lowest I can go is eight.
Okay, no, that's true.
So, that's the trade off.
So, if you guys listened to the last episode, again, go do that.
Uh, you rolled the six and you can in theory have as low as a fucking three.
Um, you could also have as high as an 18.
You know, cause six times three.
But it looks like with point by what they're trying to do is like, uh, kind of median it out a little bit more.
So, that way things are a little more like, I don't know, consistent.
Um, and it's like, it's a little more safe.
Yeah, so it's more of a safety net thing.
So, with fighter, um, I need to pull up the fighter class real quick actually,
which I didn't think to do.
Do you want me to pull it up in advance?
No, it's all right.
Fighter class fifth edition D&D wiki.
Shout out wiki. again.
Yeah, sorry.
Shout out wiki.
Um, wiki.
Sponsor us.
Mm hmm.
Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh.
So, what are their primary things?
So, saving throws are going to be strained in the Constitution.
Um, I guess I don't have a primary thing, do they?
Um, I mean, if you're a fighter, I, you don't have like a primary like spell casting class.
So, it's just going to be strength.
Yeah, I was going to say dump everything into like strength and con,
because those are your two saving throws.
Yeah.
And if you're going to be hitting people physically, strength is going to help you with that.
So, um, generally speaking with, uh, spell-clasting classes,
you're going to have a primary spell casting ability,
and that's going to be like the score that you pump as high as you can,
because it's going to increase your spell casting DCs,
it's going to increase the damage you can do, so on and so forth.
When you have a martial class, uh, like a purely martial class, not a paladin,
uh, like a fighter, like a ranger, like a, um, which I think ranger might be dexterity based.
Uh, ranger, dexterity, fighter, so on and so forth,
you're going to basically choose between one or two stats.
Strength and dexterity, and I'm pretty sure for fighter and for barbarian,
I know for a fact barbarian, strength is going to determine what your plus to hit is with all your weapons.
Yeah.
I think fighter is whichever is highest, but Abby is a stronger-ish character.
Um, that's like one of her defining features, so I'm not going to pump dexterity.
Um, I'm going to go ahead and put, let's see here,
one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven points into strength,
which is going to go ahead and bump me up to 15.
Hell yeah.
Uh, keeping in mind that I have a plus to from being a goliath,
that means that I'm going to have a 17 in strength to start.
Okay, that's not bad.
No, not at all.
Say your high things are going to come from your pluses, so that's going to be nice.
Uh, it looks like the next thing, what was it, constitution,
are also the saving throws for fighters.
Yep.
That's what you're going to be proficient in,
those are the saving throws you're going to make the most of,
you're going to want to put a lot of things into those.
I'll go ahead and throw,
hmm, hmm,
I'll throw one, two, three, four, five points into constitution,
so that'll bump me up to 14, because I have a plus one for being a goliath.
Hell yeah.
And then all I have left is dext intelligence, wisdom, charisma.
She is so not charismatic, so I'm not going to put a single point in charisma,
which I think will give me a minus one, if not a minus two.
It's good.
And then, um, oh God, what would be Abby's third biggest stat?
Strength, 100% followed by constitution.
Do you have athletics?
Oh, you already have athletics?
It's between dexterity and intelligence for me.
I think I'm going to try and make them relatively equal,
because she is fairly smart, all things considered.
So I think I'm going to put...
I can't remember if guns are, uh, if it, because it's a, are guns a finesse weapon?
I think guns might be a finesse weapon.
If they're a finesse weapon, then that's dex, correct?
Are guns finness weapons?
So this is, sorry, we're taking you all into such uncharted territory with this.
I mean, this is a real character crease.
Real, they are excellent options for characters with high deck scores.
Fuck.
Alright, so it looks like I'm going to have to actually put quite a few points into dexterity.
Which, whatever, she's...
Because that's going to give you your bonus to hit.
She's a very fit character, I guess that's okay.
So actually...
I mean this in the kindest way.
She's built like a brick shit house.
I think that's a phrase.
I, if that's not a phrase.
I think it's just like brick house.
Oh.
I've always searched that one specifically.
Brick shit house.
I, I'm not crazy.
I've heard that term from people before.
I need someone to validate that.
Someone please, someone who is listening, please.
I am begging you to validate that because most people who listen know me personally.
Validate that for me.
Knowing that strength is not actually going to be my primary hitting ability.
I'm actually going to backtrack on my strength.
So I'm going to only put that up to 13, which with my plus two is still going to 15.
And then I'm going to make my dexterity 15 as well.
So I'll have two 15s.
We'll call it there.
Oh, that's good.
Whatever.
I don't really want to do that, but we're going to do that anyways.
I kind of want to get out of the fucking negatives if I'm being honest with wisdom.
So I think I'm just going to go ahead and put two points in wisdom and bring me up to 10.
Just because wisdom saving throws happen way more often than you think they would.
Oh yeah.
There are a ridiculous amount of spells that are mostly wisdom saving throws.
And they're always the ones that like if you fail them, you are fucked.
Yeah.
So your mind control spells require wisdom or charisma.
Fuck that so much.
Yeah, pretty much.
Fuck any of those spells so much.
Any spell that takes away your ability to play your character properly is going to be either wisdom or charisma.
And I'm okay with her having zero charisma because again, if you've played the game, she doesn't have any.
But I do want to level her out on wisdom.
Even from just a role-playing choice, she kind of levels out as time goes on.
So then that leaves me with two points remaining, which I know this has been incredibly hard to follow with point by.
But this is why I don't do point by because it's just fucking hard to follow.
It's easy on an app.
Or there's other options.
There's like standard array option where it already has the points for you and it already gives you scores and they also all add up to 27.
And you just choose what goes where.
That's the simple option, which I didn't click on, but whatever.
I mean, listen, we rolled and then did like actual math equations on the last one.
So the institution is going to be at a 14 strength is going to be at 15 dexterity. You know what? I'll put one more point to strength.
Fuck it. We'll bump it back up to 16 because then it's just fun to look at 16, 15, 14.
There you go. So they're not all the same.
And then I'm out of points.
So my strength is going to be at 16 dexterity, 15 constitution, 13 intelligence, 10 or 12.
And then wisdom is 11.
Charisma is eight. God, I was so close to having that being a really satisfying sequence.
I mean, you can change it and just go not point by and make the scores.
No, it's okay. 16, 15, 14.
Did you write it on the saving throw portion?
Yeah, I did that again.
Second 10.
God damn it. I did it again. It's okay. I'll write everything next to it.
I'm so sorry, man.
No, it's okay. I did it to myself. Strength is a 16.
We even said last episode on the game.
We were like, yeah, guys, remember to write in pencil.
I'm also sitting here right now color coding my previous character.
That's what your boy didn't do.
So that means I'm going to have a plus three to strength because again, 16 minus 10 is 6.
6 divided by 2 is 3 dexterity.
I think it's going to be a 2.
Right. Yes. Right.
I'm the wrong person. I cannot validate any math.
Institutions can be plus two intelligence is going to be plus one wisdom plus zero in charisma is going to be, I think, fucking minus one.
It might even be minus two with an eight.
God damn. Yeah.
Minus two?
With an eight, I think it might be.
I don't know how the fuck minuses work, dude.
You subtract them from any ability checks that you do for that.
No, I mean, like, I don't know how to do it.
Oh, it's the same formula. It just goes negative.
So eight minus 10.
Negative two.
Divided by two. One.
No, two. Fuck.
Yeah.
Negative two.
Two on charisma saving throws or on modifiers period, which also means a negative two on charisma saving throws.
Homegirl would get banished so fast.
Oh, yeah.
That's one of my favorite.
Plus zero for wisdom.
That has a charisma saving throw.
It's going to be a plus one for intelligence saves and proficient in constitution and strength.
This means we're going to add proficiency when determining those saves.
So her constitution saving throw is going to be a plus four.
Her dex is going to be a plus two and her strength is going to be a plus five.
So not bad.
She's pretty well rounded in the things that we want her to be.
But this also could lead to a pretty fun role playing moment where you just have to accept that she cannot be charismatic to save her life.
Yeah, I refuse to do that.
Just don't make her the face of the party and it'll be fine.
Simple option.
Okay, so now I get to pick two skills.
Athletics and intimidation, I guess, already come with whatever the fuck else I've picked.
Oh, right, with Goliath.
Background.
Oh, yeah, and background. Soldiers.
Sorry, this app does things weird.
So I have proficiency with athletics and I have proficiency with intimidation, which makes total sense.
She'd scare the shit out of me.
So now I get to pick two more options from acrobatics animal handling history insight perception survival.
I'm going to do perception and survival 100%.
I don't think anything else makes sense for her.
She's always fighting for her life in the game.
So being perceptive and knowing how to survive are definitely two massive things.
Yeah.
So now I get to pick my fighting style.
So this is where fighter differs from all the other martial classes.
You pick a fighting style.
I mean, the other ones also sometimes include picking a fighting style, but the fighter, that's kind of like its defining feature.
So there are many.
I'm going to list a few archery, blind fighting, defense, dueling, great weapon fighting, interception, protection, superior technique.
Throne weapon fighting, two weapon fighting and unarmed fighting.
So I'm going to pick, um, holy shit.
Is there not a gun option on here?
No, gun is all, uh, homebrew.
Or like it's, it's unaff...
Okay, so it's like half official.
I don't think it's like official official.
We're just going to do archery because it's a plus two with ranged weapons.
There you go.
I mean, guns are ranged weapon.
So...
Yeah, I don't know why, but for some reason I was thinking in this app, hmm.
Looks like I'm just fucking stupid, but whatever, we're going to go with archery because plus two to ranged.
She uses guns, so.
All right, hit point time.
Um, show as a fighter.
Now is when you get to like look up roles.
We have a d10, um, which is nice.
A lot better than some magic.
Out of d6?
Yeah.
So hit points at the first level, she's going to have 10 plus your constitution modifier, which my con mod is plus two.
So I'm going to have 12 to start.
And then we're going to level her up to three like we did with the last one.
Um, so we're going to go ahead and roll d10 on the computer.
Roll d10.
Go.
I got a 10.
Holy fuck.
Aw, bullshit.
Wow, that's crazy.
Ooh, re-roll.
Jesus Christ.
Um, god fuck, that takes her up to 24 at level two.
Fuck?
Yeah, no, that takes her up to 24.
Oh yeah, because at first level you automatically get 10.
At first level she's at 12.
Yeah, and then the way that it works is you roll one dice per level when you're going up.
And I'm only level one, so leveling up to two, I roll a d10.
I got a 10 plus my con mod.
Damn.
I'm up to fucking 24 health at level two.
That's crazy.
Just for comparison, uh, my, oh, my homegirl that I made, um, in the last episode at level three had 19 hit points.
Yeah.
Um, so now I have to pick my equipment.
Um, I get to choose between either chain mail or a leather armor and a longbow.
So I'm going to take leather armor and a longbow since I wanted to be a ranged weapon user.
Um, so I'm going to go to write that down.
Oh, I hated that you could hear me sniffle.
Oh, and longbows and other ranged weapons, by the way, for those of you that choose to pick those, um, depending on your DM, you will have ammo.
Um, which means you have to, you know, keep in mind your shots and how many times you're firing, which can get difficult sometimes.
So, uh, I can only choose from Marshal Weapons, so that means I get to give her any of the fun list of Marshal Weapons, which you can just Google that.
If you literally just look at Marshal Weapons.
Marshal Weapons and then like D&D.
Yeah, D&D.
Specifically.
Yeah, you can't just Google Marshal Weapons.
You might get a visit from like the FBI or something.
You looked up weapons, you're going to jail now.
She doesn't use any weapons though, so this is going to be a difficult decision.
Um.
Well, I mean, are you making it based off of her?
Yeah, I mean, there's a pretty crucial moment where she uses a hammer to like kill a shit ton of infected.
So maybe I'll just do like a war hammer.
I'm trying to think of like what somebody who's trained in CQC would use.
And the only thing on this fucking insane list is going to be a war hammer.
So we're just going to do a war hammer.
Fuck it.
And then we're going to go crazy in that game.
Yep, yep, yep.
My favorite weapon from the last of us is when it was like an axe or like a pickaxe or something.
And then they like taped a knife to the other end of it.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Oh, there's a pipe and they taped a knife.
Yeah, that's.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can upgrade weapons so that they.
I've asked to have that in game and I was told no because I think that weapon is hilarious.
I get another Marshal Weapon because I'm a fighter.
Ah.
You got this.
You can make decisions.
I have to make decisions.
Jesus Christ.
ADHD and like choice paralysis is.
I'm going to do a mall.
It's so real.
It's basically the same thing and it's heavy to weapon to weapon handed.
And now I get to choose between a light crossbow and hand axes.
Again, I'm going with light crossbow.
I want her to be very like ranged weapon users.
And I also took the archery fighting style, which means I'm going to have a plus two to
my ranged weapon attacks.
Keep that in mind.
That's super important.
I get to pick between a Dungeon Years pack and an Explorer's pack.
I'm going to do Explorer.
She's not dungeon Crawley.
She's all about just staying alive.
Now I get to name her.
I'm going to name her.
I'm going to keep it super simple.
We're going to do Abby.
You're not even like do like a like change it up a little.
Well, the first thing that came to mind was like Abeleth, but that's just a fucking creature.
Maybe like rearrange the letters.
You like doing that.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess I could Yiba YBA.
I mean, yeah, we'll do that.
Yeah, that works.
Yiba.
I'm going to name her as Yiba.
Yiba.
Yeah, or Yiba.
You want to say it YBBA.
I'll go YBBA.
We'll throw two B's.
We'll just literally spell it backwards.
Here we go.
And just like that.
And guess what?
If you show up to a table with this character named Yiba and you like don't tell anyone,
hey, this is just Abby from The Last of Us, people will never know.
No.
That is how much you can like, we talked about this in our like building and like flavor episode
of like, you can just make your character from your favorite game.
So it looks like an eight gives me a minus one, not a minus two.
Okay.
I don't know how the fuck that's determined, but whatever.
Maybe we just did math wrong.
I probably definitely did math wrong.
So anyways, I have all that figured out.
I can also see what my initiative is, which it looks like it's a plus two.
My armor class is going to be 13 because a leather armor that gives you I think a plus.
I think it's 11 plus.
11 plus decks.
Let me let me check that out.
I believe it'll tell me.
It'll tell me.
Armor, prevention, equipment.
Yeah.
Leather armor.
Leather armor is going to give me.
Yeah.
It's 11 plus decks.
You're right.
So 13.
Look at me.
Wow.
She's really doing it.
Really hitting it today, man.
So now we're going to go ahead and level the fuck up.
I'm going to hit max on this on the app because I didn't roll it on the app.
Now I'm going to roll again.
Roll another d10 fucking three.
Are you kidding me?
So if I'm following by my own rules, I can either take average, which would be five or
I can roll again.
I'm rolling again.
Watch me get a one.
A three.
Fucking three again.
God damn it.
So plus five.
Son of a bitch.
That hurts my soul.
Damn.
Yeah.
That's rough.
I'm not going to pretend that's not.
No, that sucks.
That 100% sucks.
Yeah.
Now I get to choose my fighter archetype, which this is where you would pick gunslinger.
If you had an app that allowed you to do that, but I do not.
There's definitely a way in there that you can.
I'm confident in that.
I think you can add a way into it, but I don't think you can just like choose one.
So the options that are going to make the most sense for her are going to be champion,
which means perfect.
It says perfect your skill in combat or battle master learn specialized combat maneuvers.
CQC like close quarters combat is very like combat maneuver.
So we're going to pick battle master.
So now I get as my subclass battle master or as my archetype battle master, I get to
pick three maneuvers to learn, which is actually pretty cool.
Yeah.
I love all of the certainly long fucking list.
So I'm just going to look at the ones that make the most sense.
Let me see here.
Say something while I read this list.
That's so much pressure to put on me.
Figure it out.
Jesus Christ.
Give me a prompt.
Come on.
Okay.
Um, I've never played a martial character before.
Quite honestly, I'm scared to know that works.
That works.
Keep going.
Well, don't encourage me because now it's weird.
Just mind your business and do your thing.
But I, I, one of the like things I have written down or if I've not already used as like an
episode greeting is like players who have only played like one class and are too scared to
look at the others.
And then you ask me with magic users.
I refuse to play martial characters.
You're running?
Well, now I'm on a roll and you're just interrupting.
They're ridiculous amount of maneuvers.
They're basically just things that you can add superiority dice to, which is also something
related to writing.
Kind of like sorcery points.
Yeah.
So we talked about sorcery points last time where you get to like spend them to do random
things for sorcery points.
We probably skip right the fuck over.
Anyway, there are different classes that come in different points.
I mean we would have talked about it on our class background so yeah her class episode go watch that
So for fighters you get what are called superiority die and you can basically add them to
Based on the maneuvers you pick it looks like for the specific subclass
I can add those superiority dies to certain actions
So I picked grappling strike because she's yeah grappler so that means that I can use grappling
You can grapple using a bonus action. Oh, that's so sick when you hit with an attack
Gaining superiority died to the check so that means if I hit somebody
Like I succeed I go above their AC armor class
I can then choose to go straight into the grapple action is a bonus action, which is incredibly powerful
And then I can add my superiority to that
I also picked precise strike because goddamn she does hands
It allows me to use superiority dice to an attack roll
So that's just a very straight up nice thing to have yeah
And it's not specific to melee attack rolls
Which is even better because that means that from a distance I can add that superiority die to
Firing with a weapon or with a bow. Oh shit. Yeah, that's really nice and then tactical assessment
You gain superiority died a history investigation or insight
Which I would probably change that if I had more time to look at the other ones, but for
Time's sake. I'm gonna pick that. I was just thinking she's a soldier. She's very intelligent. So yeah
I picked all of my sense
Tactical assessments, so we're just gonna pick that
And then I'm gonna write already rolled for health again fucking three
So five so I have 31 health at level three, which isn't the worst
So I'm gonna put that on my hit point
maximum
Awesome
We pretty much have a character now
I mean I would need to go through and do my scores for my skills and stuff like that to figure those out
So with intimidation, it's a charisma based. I have a minus one
To charisma, which means I'm gonna have a one
intimidation because my proficiency bonus
As a fucking Goliath fighter having a negative to intimidation is so funny. I'm gonna have a zero on insight
I'm gonna have his intelligence history one deception
fucking one
Athletics is gonna be oh, that's just gonna be so nice. It's gonna be five
Or con a one. I'm not gonna read the rest of them off. They're not important. Anyways, that would just be me going through everything
And then putting down the numbers
So yeah, we have a character at this point
There's not a whole lot else to like walk through except for ideals bonds flaws
Like this is how fast creating a character goes once you have the process down
It's just a matter of looking up everything to like make sure you're putting in the right information
And if you have an app that makes it incredibly easy to do. Yes
So I guess for funsies and because you did it I'm gonna go to
Let's see here the soldier background
And then start rolling for ideals bonds and flaws
But I think I'm gonna pick the ones that make the most sense for her instead of rolling
Because I already have an idea for a care
Yeah, and I'll be honest
I got there and pick mine a lot of the time because I also go in with an idea of who I want
I'm built concept and like personality first and then I go into the mechanics
Yeah, so it looks like I get to pick a specialty. So during your time as a soldier you had a specific role to play
The options are officer scout infantry Calvary healer quarter master standard bear or support staff. She's definitely
Infantry, yeah, I would say or scout
We're gonna go with infantry just cuz she's a front lines kind of bitch. You know what I'm saying. Yeah
That gives us that feature military rank
So if I were to pick the soldier background, I would be able to basically pull rank
To be recognized within my military organization
Or if I'm in like a town
The way that I would like let my characters use that is like if they're an occupying force
Maybe like a little bit of respect also if they're like the
Like the military that's like native to that area. I would give them advantage on certain checks
And if they're like an occupying military, maybe it's like advantage on intimidation that kind of thing
Mm-hmm. Cool. So now we're gonna go to character traits
So personality traits we have a fun fun fun list
So basically talks about how the horrors of war combined with the rigid discipline have left the marks on you
So like choose a thing
So the personality show personality traits we have are always polite and respectful
by memories of war
Definitely that so I'm probably gonna put multiple on here for her
So I'm gonna say to haunted by the memories of war. I can't get rid of the images of violence
She literally in part of the game relives her father dying
I'm not gonna spoil it in case anybody's played the games, but her father shocker does die
You'll find I mean that happens in the yeah
You'll find out how very quickly that happens
So it's not a huge spoiler but her dad did sigh and she does relive that moment and then a very traumatic moment that happens later
In the game because of that over and over and over again like it's a driving motivation for her
So I'm gonna pick that I would go with eight for the next one. I face problems head-on
Yeah, I face problems head-on
And then yeah, yeah, yeah, I can stare down a hell without flinching. Oh a hellhound. Sorry
Yeah, it's just a little I like being strong and enjoy breaking things now
It's just Hulk
Yeah, I'm gonna say I face problems head-on simple direct solutions the best path to success because she picks revenge
If I were picking post last of us to I would say I've lost too many friends and I'm slow to make new ones
But that doesn't really happen until the very end of the game. So you weren't giving spoilers
I mean if you've seen listen, I didn't say how many I just said a lot of her friends die
Anyways, you'll figure that out in the first half
Yeah, I face problems head-on so we're gonna give her that so we're gonna say this is like pre trauma Abby or pretty Ellie
Abby I should say
Which is basically the same thing. Yeah, Ellie fucks her life up
We're gonna move to ideals now great or good our lot is to lay down. Nope
So this is kind of where I need to decide her her alignment
She's kind of neutral like
It depends on what perspective you have because when you're playing as Ellie, she's a hundred percent evil
But when you're playing as Abby herself you kind of get this like
chaotic good
nature to her
So that's kind of difficult to pick if I'm being honest
See here nation my city nation or people are all that matter
I live and live ideals aren't worth dying for a going to war over
Might in life is war stronger force wins
Independence when people follow orders mindly they embrace a kind of tyranny
responsibility I do
What I must and obey just authority. I'm gonna go with chaotic good
So I'm gonna do greater good our lot is to lay down our lives in the defense of others and
Independence when people follow orders blindly they embrace a kind of tyranny
Because she does kind of have like a pretty big character arc
And is dim you see very quickly like early on when you switch to her perspective that like she is a good person at heart
And that drives a lot of the internal conflict
Yeah, like the fact that she makes such a fucked up decision
For revenge in the beginning of the game is like what drives her character to become a good person over time
So we're gonna say chaotic good. Yeah
For our alignment and I guess our ideals to yeah
Okay, oh dick good
Because she definitely murders a lot of motherfuckers so I'm not very awful very much so bond
I would lie still lay down my life for the people I served with I mean definitely true
Yeah, so when save my life in the battlefield to this. Oh, that's yeah, that's a hundred percent true
Yeah
My honor is my life. No, I never forget the crushing defeat. No those who fight beside me or worth dying for me fight for those
You cannot I'm gonna go with six and two so one save my life in the battlefield to this day
I will never leave a friend behind and six I fight for those who cannot fight for themselves
Her whole character arc is kicked off by her saving
Basically a couple of kids. Yeah that are in like a perilous situation and then they kind of save her and that's how it kicks off
They're like bond and her character arc. So I'd say she definitely has it within her to do that
Cool, they gives me her bonds
now the flaws
The monstrous enemy we faced in battle still lives me queues lives me leaves me quivering with fear
Kind of I have little respect for anyone who is not a proven warrior. No
Made a terrible mistake in battle. Yeah
Yeah, that one made a terrible and I would do anything to keep that mistake secret
hatred of enemies blind and unreasoning
I have pay the law I'd rather
I'm gonna say four and three
So yeah, I'm gonna say that her flaws are that I made a terrible mistake in battle that cost many lives
And I would do anything to keep that mistake secret
Literally the first thing she does in the beginning of the game haunts her for the rest of it and then for my hatred of my enemies
Is blind and unreasoning it's literally what drives her to make that mistake. Yeah, so we have a bit of a complex character showing up here
Even just on the character sheet
Which is nice. It's what we like to see so
Yeah, I think we're pretty much done dude. Yeah, I mean that this went pretty honestly we
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Or we'll never get better like these fucking guys, but there are a couple of things I wanted to talk about
Just because it's never not used to having episodes that run this short. Yeah, so what I did long-winded mother fuckers
We are what I did today
I was I brought a character to the table and I said this is the character I want to make and then built
All of the mechanics and the stats and the roles around that fictional character
My advice for people that do that because I'm not against it like if Madison came to the table tomorrow and said I want to scrap
Daisy
And I would like to play I don't know fucking starlight from the boys instead
Which similar pretty similar character actually, which is which is funny
Because I wrote this character long before
Yeah, I'd interact with boys. I would say that's totally cool
How are we gonna be different at the table because like what I don't want as a DM is for somebody to play the character
Mechanically the same and then also just be that character point blank period because that's just not fun
one of the I
Actually went to this is not a class that I'm in but a class that was here
that
El his fiance was in and I tagged along this morning because she told me it was their whole week this week was a it's a
like short story fiction class and it was
Deemed fan fiction we get there we're talking all about fan fiction like how that actually a lot last night
I did help
And it was like it brought up some interesting conversations because like I mean in like a lot of fan created works and like fan fiction
And I think this is like really similar to what we're talking about if you come in with these concepts and these characters that are already made
And already have a set canon that they follow anytime you create anything you notice that they start straying farther and farther from there
Like original thing until you can just change the name of the character and you will have no idea that it was ever originally connected
Yeah, if you take these two people and you if you take fucking
Luke Leia and Han and you put him in a coffee shop and then you're writing and you're like in a completely different universe
And a completely different setting they're gonna have to make different choices because of that and by the end of like the fan fiction
You're writing nerd fuck off
I like Star Wars I just I have the hardest time watching the original trilogy, which is most people's favorite. So that's fair
It's my favorite. I'm like once I've seen it's gotta get you young see for me
It's like once I've seen the newer shiny thing
It's hard for me to go back and watch the yeah thing cuz like just the clunk. No, it's real like I remember as a child thinking that the fight between
Like Kenobi and Darth Vader in a new hope. I was like, oh my god
This is so sick watching it older
And I think it was like an honest trailer that was like two old people two old geezers gently like poking at each other with
Plostics and that's what I can watch it. Yeah, like it's rough. It's very strong at the same time. I
Was indoctrinated in so yeah shit like that gets you young
But yeah by the time you're done with a work
Or like a fan created thing you can just change the name of the characters and people will have no idea that it started
Is that and there's like so many published works out there?
That are fully that yeah, so I guess there are a few things I have left to finish
So I have age weight height hair skin eyes, etc cosmetics
So Abbey I'm gonna say between the 280 and 350 scale that they said Goliath normally are we're gonna
I'm gonna say like easily
330 I think she's a large person even by like male standards like she dwarfs a lot of the men in the game
So I think more big women in your games always in life
I'm gonna say she's probably pretty close to the age of the the character Madison made yesterday
I'm gonna say she's like 24 25
I can't she doesn't look any older than that and she's basically the same age as Ellie who I think is like
Yeah, like 1920 so I'm gonna you know what I'm gonna put her 23 actually now that I'm thinking about that
I'm gonna put her 23 she definitely strikes me as a little more mature than Ellie
So I'm gonna say she has more years that also just could come from being in the military
Um eyes I'm gonna say red
Just because revenge is very much in her nature and so maybe that's like the eye killer thing changes over time
I think that could be a cool thing height. I'm gonna say
She's not particularly tall so it said queen what seven to eight feet
I think it said was average for a Goliath so I'm just gonna say we're gonna go with eight feet
I mean that's already taller than most creatures and characters. That is tall. Yeah, but because she has to be she's a
Clive, you know, I thought you were saying she didn't want her to be that tall and you went max height
It's not max height. I think max height for a Goliath is nine. Okay, I think the lowest is seven like oh my god
What is happening?
It was messages from someone Jesus Christ. Anyways scan um, I don't know. I don't know. Let me see
I'm gonna Google really quick
Goliath look like I imagine like an ash and gray. Yeah, I think they're very
Like mountain folky with like head truly kind of thing
Let me look them up. Yeah, that's exactly what they are. Yeah
Yeah, they have like these weird like head tattoos
Yeah, looks like it almost be like a genetic thing too
I'll say I wonder if their tattoos or if they are like actual
No, I think their tattoos because I mean nature doesn't make lens. That's great
I mean, it's a bunch of dragons anyways. I'm gonna say that they're tattoos. I'm gonna say that she's like
Like an ash and gray like Madison suggested earlier. I think that's super cool
And then just give her tattoos and then maybe I would spend some time
Making her tattoos like a specific to like a military regiment or an army that she left behind
Or even an army that she's still currently in like that's kind of maybe what her her tribal this is or that's kind of what the tattoos in her body
signify
And then I would take that one step further and say that those tattoos like maybe indicate how many kills she has or the like
Signifies her or signifies her role as an infantry
Or even like a skilled infantry because in the game. She's like
They note several times that Abby is like a cut above the rest. She's like special ops for them
So like whenever they need something done, they send Abby Abby a seal team six basically like a one like a woman army
I mean if you play the game, you know anything about it. I mean she's a bad bitch
She most people down so I'm gonna say that her tattoos maybe indicate that she's like some special forces that kind of thing
And then hair they're all fucking bald
So I'm just gonna say she's bald maybe give her like
Like a ponytail or something just cuz she has like her being bald give her make her bald
I mean, I'm thinking like a thin strip of hair though with like nothing on the sides and then just hide in a ponytail
Oh Jesus Christ, sorry like if you've seen
How do I fucking describe this like where you have a basically your bald here?
And then you just have long hair on the top and then you just like do a topknot kind of thing like an undercut
Yeah, like the opposite of an undercut like an undercut. Okay, I
Okay, I rock with an undercut. Yeah, you see I'm saying I rock with an undercut. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, so I'm gonna give her an undercut with like a ponytail on the back cuz she has
She has a ponytail like the whole game. So I don't know I kind of want to keep that aspect in it
And then hair I'll probably just go black like I want to be super generic, but I'm just you know black. It is what it is
Um
Like a black so now this is where I would start maybe trying to diverge because I'm not playing in a modern setting
So I can't say that like last of us events took place and I'm gonna put myself in the sort of coast here
I'm gonna say this is maybe where I would ask my DM like hey, can we make like a war conical?
Like what kind of conflicts?
Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, no, we'll give it to you. You need practice. She's eventually gonna try and DM herself
So yeah, I've got too many control issues to DM right now. I'm gonna say we're on the sort coast
What kind of like wars what kind of like battle regiments? What kind of armies? Okay, let's say there is like
Tar come out of shit on the flight. Oh well it listed if you didn't attach it to sword coast
I could make shit up, but I don't want to like say anything and get the source books wrong. Oh, well just make shit up
Then we're just okay, then it's not the sort of coast. Okay, so there is
It's a so this is a world and there's several different like factions in it
Some of them are bigger than the other there's two really big ones that always seem to be kind of fighting with each other
one is very more like for the people and a little bit more of like a
Anarchistic is probably a bit much maybe a little bit more like communistic
Society, this is also me knowing last of us. Oh, yeah
a little bit yeah, and I was going Jackson. Oh, right, right, right, and then there's also
That makes total sense a world and because I'm just gonna go straight last of us
So that this communistic society is I would in real I I would pull up fantasy name generator
And come up with a name, but I'm not gonna do that right now because I'm gonna stress myself out
Cuz I can't talk in type
So we're gonna have that one in that but the person who founded it this one would have bulged a little bit was someone who like
During the war. Yeah, where these factions were created committed horrible atrocities
And like was really like a like brutal leader
Yeah, and then on the flip side the other like primary faction is gonna be one that's a little bit more military base
It's a little stricter and there's a class there's like a clear
structure in a class system where there isn't any other
and
There's still a bit of tension between those two factions specifically
That always seems to like that's never really been resolved right right right so then with that
I think what where I would push them as I would want her to be obviously part of the military like faction
The leader of the other one sounds a hell of a lot like Joel
That was the goal. Yeah. Yeah. Well Joel didn't found Jackson's you know, I know I said I was gonna die bold
I know I understand understand understand I get it. I get it. This is it for you the super people listening
I know my lore she does she's seen me play the game. She's watched the show whatever whatever anyways
I think this is where I would say that maybe like I would want
I think it would be interesting
Eva's father to have been like a general that like went to war against like this Jackson
Ask other like one and like was very aware of all the fucked up shit. He was doing but maybe they like whitewash their history
And like now he's like turned a new leaf to the public
And so her mission is to like oust him as like the terrible fucked up person that did all these things to like the rest
Of the factions to be like no fucked them like you guys are constantly saying we're wrong because we're military focused and like
We're bad for going against like the communists like share the food people now. Fuck you bro
Like your leaders like you're founded on blood. Yeah. Yeah, you're founded on blood
Like your leader committed like fucking war crimes. Yeah, you're like stop killing it. No get fucked
I think even and this is where I would I don't know where the line is between DM and player
Because my brain goes to I think it would be really interesting if specifically
Eva's father was killed after like a treaty had been called or in a treaty had been placed and was killed like out of
Like basically breaking fantasy Geneva conventions of like the war is over and then still killed and that is also like a driving force behind
I think I would present that to a player and see if they're interested in that
I would 100% take that and I think I would even want it to be like an investigation thing
Like that's like a primary thing that like Eva has to figure out as a character like maybe it's like if you can get the details
On it then you can like well like you can prove that it happened
Then like maybe there's like a right that you can challenge them to like a fight or you can challenge him to like you know
Go to like martial combat or you can just straight up like if maybe if this character is so driven by like hatred and revenge
Maybe it's just like if you can find evidence that that happened
You can say the treaty is absolutely fucking zilch and then you get start the war again
And I think for what I think Abby's character what I would probably try to or Eva's character
I think what I would try to do is like prove that it happened and then try to like kind of 1v1 it and then humiliate him in
Front of his people. Yeah, and like I really fucked up way too like following true to last of us
Like I would get that 1v1 like even if I had to fake circumstances to be like nah like look clearly
This is what happened now you owe me the right to like martial combat and then I would humiliate the piss out of him
Yeah, like I would parade his body around and be like look guys. There's your leader like have fun
I think that'd be really interesting
Even I'm also like sitting here going and coming up with like a bunch of like fucking I'm sitting here going like oh
I've got so many ideas for like characters in this world
But that I think is where I would take Eva and I would be curious to see if whether or not I would be playing Eva post
like after that
Or during that I would almost like to play her after like I would like to talk about all of that stuff and say that's like
cannon for the universe and that like
Now we pick up with Eva who's like on the run from basically like this kingdom who she humiliated like maybe it's like you have the
Right to martial combat, but you're not allowed to kill our leader
Like you can beat him and we can say that you've done that and he'll be punished for his crimes
But you're not allowed to kill him and I think that's where I would say well
Maybe Eva says fuck that yeah, maybe Eva like has him on his knees and he's like fuck you and your father
Like I'm still gonna get away like I'm not gonna die
Yeah, I'm gonna rot in a prison, but you're not gonna get to kill me and he was like no fuck you and kills you in front of like
All of her kills her kills him in front of all of his people and then like goes in the run
Yeah, then you have the the daughter who picks up the mantle. Yeah. Yeah, and then you get the last of us too
Yeah, and then maybe like a really good then antagonist for Eva is a character that is now like that leader's daughter
Who doesn't who's never understood all of the terrible things or was raised at a time where like she didn't understand
Just how bad and then also her motivations would be completely foil this because also
Eva would have killed the leader out of treaty like out of outside of the realms in the
And that breaks the tree and that starts a war and now it's like part of what what's on Eva's conscience is like now
She started a war again. Yeah, you know and like she's not an inherently bad person at heart
So it's like now I have to watch all these people get murdered because like of my revenge
And then that's basically just Abby's arc through last of us. Yeah
And then that that's where I would like to pick up because I think that'd be a lot of fun
I like playing like morally ambiguous like
Difficult shit on the mind characters because I think it's more interesting like I don't think there's a lot of people out there
That are like trouble-free worry-free
And so I like the idea of playing people that are a little more true to life and that like they have something a little fucked up about
Yeah, so, you know, it's my itch for like them that moral ethical conversation. Yeah
She's too. I am as a person
I'm well aware better for worse. I love talking morals philosophy all that kind of fun stuff. So yeah
But yeah, that's that's how I would I would take Eva and then I think it would be hard not to role-player like Abby
Well, especially we went from okay, let's put her in a universe. That's not the last of us to see how that would and I just said okay
Here's fantasy last of us
But yeah, I mean I think you can also still put this into a world where that's that's not a thing
Maybe you can change details of like maybe it wasn't the father that was killed
Maybe it was her younger sister right and that changes a lot of like, you know
Then it becomes a place of like this is not so much for honor
but it is for like or like for principle, but it is you killed a
child like a my my sister
And then maybe there's miscommunication in like the way that the the death happened and
Maybe it's not even a specific person that killed them
But a like an army even just going back to like the fan-fed conversation like what I was talking about last night when I was playing last
Of us too because I've played it several times. This is my third or fourth playthrough. I'm almost finished with it
Masochistic behavior truly to play that game more than once. Yeah, well a difficulty junkie
I like playing things in the hardest difficulty and like getting better at it. But anyways, I love the story
I love the writing for one and two and when I was talking about like what I would do fan fiction for like in that moment
I would have loved to have seen like a conversation between like Abby and Ellie
From like last of us right. So we're talking about
Because they never talk like it's only ever a conflict between the two and like fuck you know fuck you
Yeah, it's like oh you killed my dad now. I'm gonna go after you and it's like no you killed my dad
I'm gonna go after you and then it's just like it's a game of murder. Yeah, I was gonna say it's a fucked up tag
Yeah, and so I would love I would love to we fully just gave spoilers
We were trying to knock in spoilers earlier
I would have loved to have seen like an actual conversation be forced between the two like stuck in the same like stuck in a situation
Where they have mutual interest for survival and so it's like when we get out of this
I'm gonna kill you but also I have no choice but to cooperate you and I think in that moment
They could have come to an understanding that maybe would have like changed the outcome of the rest of the game
Yeah
Because they're they're meant to be foils to one another and they're meant to be reflections of each other
To the to the bitter end like they don't complete both of their their journeys or their circles like that Jesus Christ
They're arcs until the very end of the game
And so I think maybe even in the game sense like or in this fantasy world that Iba existed maybe I would want
Like the Ellie equivalent to have been the one to get killed
Instead of like the Joel equivalent and for it to be like an Abbey versus Joel kind of deal
Where it's like the old like war veteran who's done fucked up things
But has finally found happiness in the form of this like surrogate daughter has now been taken away and like I don't know
Mortal Kombat or some stupid shit like that now. It's like he's gonna like raise hell and like lobby the
The communists to like get steeped in blood and all that fun stuff. Yeah
And that's where I maybe would like change things and switch it up so that I'm not just straight up playing Abbey
So, yeah, you know like just switch switch the people around switch the characters
Switch the back story fundamental stuff. Don't be afraid to like do that. I think it's really fun
flavor and like background and like
All that shit the cosmetics and like the building characters like my favorite thing
Well, honestly, I think we've talked extra enough that we can just make this its own episode
So I think you guys are just gonna get a part two regularly work at an hour again
So we lied. Thank you all for tuning into another episode of table talk where we walked you through very quickly the martial class again
If it was a little hard to follow go back and watch the other one part one
Which should already be up by the time you hear this and that'll make a little more sense
But until then see you guys next time. Bye