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M: Hello players who refuse to buy a physical source book,

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R: and DM's who will literally write their own source book for every single campaign-

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Welcome back to Table Talk.

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Today's theme is all about D&D.

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What is it?

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That's Madison Conway and on Robert Lopez.

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And today we're talking about what is D&D with a little drop of tabletop RPGs in general.

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The podcast will mostly focus on D&D because it's what we have the most experience with.

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But there is kind of like this theme of tabletop RPGs as a whole because a lot of them are

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similar and that you're at a table and you are role playing.

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That's what RPG means, role playing game.

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So what is D&D?

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D&D or Dungeons and Dragons is a tabletop role playing game by Wizards of the Coast.

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They're kind of like the biggest name in tabletop games.

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Oh yeah, 100%.

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I mean they own more than just Dungeons and Dragons.

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That's just the biggest, one of the biggest TTRPGs out there and has been for quite a

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while.

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Fun fact, we are on 5E, so fifth edition, which means there have been four previous editions

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to this.

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And some people actually like to go back and run campaigns in old editions because the rules

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are different and the spell lists are a little different.

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Like third edition is incredibly popular.

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Like the races are different, backgrounds are different, stats are different.

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Now it's like Strength, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma, Sterity and Constitution and it

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used to be like, oh there were some weird ones.

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I don't remember what they were exactly and that's probably something I should have looked

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up to have before this episode.

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But stats were completely different.

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So like everything changes a little bit from edition to edition.

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And third edition was a lot less balanced.

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Fifth edition characters at level 20 and like creatures at CR 30, so challenge rating of

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30 are a lot less broken than what they were in third edition because Wizards hadn't quite

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put like the brakes on what you could do.

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And so you just have these like insane stat rolls and abilities and just nutty stuff in

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third edition that they toned down significantly in fifth edition.

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Or she can still definitely break characters in 5E.

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Oh, 100%.

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And taxing is something that will never leave the hobby.

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So what is a tabletop role playing game?

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It's hard to find like an actual definition on the internet that's not just like a bunch

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of jargon being thrown at you.

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And they all do different things.

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So our kind of definition for it is a tabletop role playing game in which players create

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a character and take on that character, describe what they do, their actions, make choices for

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them and it's traditionally run by a Game Master or GM of some kind who controls the

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game by describing the world, creating the world, the situations and the conflict that

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the characters find themselves in.

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Yeah, so some of them are very character creation heavy like Dungeons and Dragons,

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kids on bikes, but then others like Alien, which we attempted to play over the summer

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but did not, have like pre-constructed characters where you'll have a list of people or creatures

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or whoever you can pick from and then it'll give you like a rundown list of what their

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abilities are, what their personalities like, what their role in the group is.

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So some of them are a lot more accessible than D&D or even in kids on bikes, but at

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the same time you can also buy over called one shots for those where they literally come

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pre-made.

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So it's still fifth edition systems or still kids on bike systems, but you already have

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a character to play.

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There are just some that are a little more optimized for like sitting down for a couple

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of hours at a time versus like playing something out for a month or a year or two years.

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I'll say they really range in the time span that they can take up because there are some

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that are designed for like, yeah, you just sit down for an afternoon, you play with your

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friends and that's it.

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And then you can also like, I think Dungeons and Dragons is especially suited for this,

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like you can make something that lasts an afternoon or you can make something that lasts

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for like multiple years if you wanted to.

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If you could manage the schedules, which would be the most impressive part of that.

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And the two primary differences in, I guess what people call them, you would have a campaign,

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which is anything in my opinion longer than like a month and then a one shot, which could

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be six to eight hours worth of playing.

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Sometimes you can chain one shots.

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Other people will make campaigns off of one shots.

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I've done the opposite.

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I've made one shots off of campaigns.

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Shout out to DM's little tip from me.

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If you create all this content that nobody touches or finds or is interested in and they

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still want to play a little bit more, or even if you just want to pick a whole new group

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of people, you still get to live out all of that hard work and content that you created

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in the form of a one shot by just basically giving them a tiny little shitty hook in this

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little town that nobody explored with NPCs you wrote everything for that they just never

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touched in the main campaign.

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I can also, if you wanted to give you the opportunity to play characters that you've

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played in a campaign that you're like, okay, we've kind of exhausted this character and

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and they're like, oh, hey, revisiting a plot hook.

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I mean, once you hit level 20, which we'll talk about character creation more towards

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the end of the next episode, but once you hit level 20 as a player, it truly the amount

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of shit you have to manage becomes insane.

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It's one of the least optimized aspects of the game, but some other popular examples

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of TT RPGs to get back on track.

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You have like the Empire of the Masquerade Pathfinder, which is kind of like D&D adjacent

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kids on bikes, Warhammer 40K to an extent.

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It's more like, it's not so much role playing in that sense.

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I mean, I guess it is because you like take the assumed role like a commander and you

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have your armies and you build them.

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on the scale of it.

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But it's just kind of another example of not straight up role playing in the way that

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you would like embody a character that's more like taking the seat of a commander and then

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like throwing these two fantasy armies at each other that you spent fucking, I don't

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know, 72 hours hand painting just for you to be done in like an hour.

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A quick shout out to kids on bikes, their website, which is there from Hunters Entertainment,

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who does some other games like Alice is Missing, which is also really good.

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They have a ton of free resources on their website and they've got like basically free

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source books or like sample source books of the way to run their games, premade characters,

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all that stuff.

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So I am always going to hype them up because they've got a bunch of free, super accessible

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stuff.

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The next kind of question that we wanted to hit was how do you get into D&D?

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It feels like something that's like really intimidating because it's often a world full

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of people who have been in this world doing this thing, been interested in this topic

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for years and years.

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And it used to be-

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Yeah, there's always the backstory of like I started playing in my grandmother's basement

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when I was, but a wee boy and we played 72 campaigns and I never played a different character

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and I've never DMed.

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It used to be very like you could buy a source book or like I like neckbeards.

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I'm a woman in a gaming space so I'm always going to kind of make that joke because there's

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some crappy people out there sometimes.

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But in like talking about stranger things, D&D has kind of been brought to the forefront

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in a lot of ways, not just because of stranger things obviously.

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But these are just, we compiled kind of like a list of resources that you could like look

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to if you want to learn more about D&D and then also how to get into D&D because there's

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a couple different ways to do that.

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Yeah, so one of the easiest ways to like start, one of the easiest ways to start like where

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you're from I guess is by going to like a local gaming store or a gaming cafe.

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Both of those are really good options.

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Okay, you can take a-

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Yeah, I'm going to let you take over while I try and clear whatever the fuck is in my

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throat.

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Sorry guys.

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Check out your local game shops.

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Those are probably going to be your best resources.

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Best places are going to have an open night for like RPG games or TT RPG games, especially

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Dungeons and Dragons where you can meet new people who want to play.

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We've got a store in Evansville called The Gaming Guild.

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I know Wednesday nights they do an open RPG night.

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You can go, you can meet people.

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If that seems intimidating to you, which that's A-okay.

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If you're in school, check out, you know, the resources at school.

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There might be a club.

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I think there's a D&D club on our campus.

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I think there's a D&D club, there's also just like a gamer society type deal where I think

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they do a couple of different TT RPGs here and there, but that just kind of makes up

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everything.

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Also shout out to Book Broker here in Evansville.

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This store has been around for a very long time.

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I don't necessarily think that they host any like open nights like Game and Guild night,

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but they have a lot of D&D source books.

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And what I will say is that while some places like maybe Barnes and Noble's or something

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like that will like to scourge, you know, cracking, opening a book, taking notes and

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then putting it back on the shelf like a Book Broker or a Game and Guild.

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And usually your local game stores are cool if you just take a book and sit down with

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it and put it back because they're expensive, especially ones that comes from Wizards of

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the Coast, nothing against it.

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I mean, the amount of content they put in those books is insane, but $50 is not the

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most accessible way to get into a hobby for the first time.

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So like, yeah, it might feel a little awkward to like pull up to a gaming store or Barnes

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and Noble's or wherever and take a source book down to one of their tables and sit down

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and take some notes, but no one's going to tell you no.

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And there should be no shame.

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When you live in a capitalist capitalistic society, there should be no shame in not

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shelling out $50 immediately.

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When you live in a capitalist society, like, don't be afraid to steal.

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Well, I don't know.

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I don't know if we're allowed to say that, but I mean, don't be afraid to steal on a

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capitalist.

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Yeah, no, fair enough.

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Don't steal from Wizards of the Coast or the people that write the source books.

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Yes, we'll say that.

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Don't be afraid to steal other non related brand things.

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And you know, if you go on the Internet and you look up PDFs of things, you know, maybe

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they exist, maybe they don't.

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I can't say that they do.

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I did like a semester ago.

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I've never done that.

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Why would I do that?

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Why would I ever do that?

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Why would I ever type in the name of the source book verbatim and then just put free

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PDF at the end of it?

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That sounds like an insane thing to do.

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So like totally don't do what you do with your college textbooks and just search it and

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see if you can read it.

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Shout out to somebody in my social problems classes semester.

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I'm not going to name that person, but they straight up dropped the PDF for the whole

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class and the group email.

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$120 for the textbook.

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$50 if you wanted to rent it online.

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Renting online for that much money is such bullshit.

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Like, what?

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So funny.

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What?

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I think that shit cracks me up that there's such things as renting online.

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Like Amazon lets you rent movies for like $5 or buy it for $15 and I'm like, what?

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I already paid you for subscription.

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It's like screen grabbing the entire film.

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Literally.

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Nothing, nothing is stopping you.

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That's the answer.

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Another way you can get into Tabletop RPG specifically D&D is through watching things.

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Legend of the Vox Machina on Amazon Prime is like an animated campaign of something that

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Critical Role did.

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It was one of their first campaigns that they ever did and it got its full like only animated

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show voice by all the original cast members because a lot of them are voice actors in

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their spare time.

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Yes.

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And their voice actors who play D&D in their spare time.

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Yeah, no, that's fair.

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Alex Mercer has been in everything.

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If anybody plays any video games or watches like any TV shows, you would recognize his

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voice very quickly.

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He's McCree in Overwatch.

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He's been in a lot of different things that I play.

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But Legend of the Vox Machina is probably one of the easiest and most accessible like traditional

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straight up D&D campaigns.

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It revolves around dragons, not a huge spoiler you kind of find out at the end.

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There's also like a sub theme of dragons.

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But like you have your rogue and your archer and your ballad in and your barbarian.

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It is a very classic D&D but it also feel it's so it's that like high fantasy setting

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but it doesn't feel stifling or like discouraging in a way that a lot of for me like I know

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it sounds stupid to say is someone who's like really into D&D and these kinds of things.

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I'm not the biggest fan of high fantasy.

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Yeah, I have some people we play with that are like, when are we going to go back to

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a high fantasy setting?

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I'm like, listen, it's been the horse beaten.

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There's zero meat left on this dead horse.

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The horse is like ashes, like the bones have been destroyed.

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High fantasy is cool.

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It's engraved at this point.

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But like at a certain point you got to look to more avenues than like an elf with a bow

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who calls himself Legolas after a popular character in Lord of the Rings.

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Like, you know, I will say something critical role does very well and in this show specifically

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is it makes that high fantasy setting feel more modern and less stifling.

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So it's fun.

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There's comedy in it.

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There's equal rights in it, which is one of the things that I also quite a bit of your

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way from with high fantasy is there's always like this weird like we're going to add fantasy

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racism in or we're going to have like three women in it and they never speak to each other.

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Shout out Lord of the Rings.

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Oh my God.

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What is it?

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The Bethel test or the back?

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The Bechdel test.

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Yeah, the Bechdel test, which it somehow passes.

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Oh, because there's like one.

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There's, oh my God.

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Conversation.

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Several compilations on Tech Talk.

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I literally saw one again last night and it was like Lord of the Rings, but every time

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two women interact on screen and there's exactly one interaction at the very beginning and

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then roll credits.

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Yeah, it's don't be that person.

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Not to shit on the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

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It's great.

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It did a lot for what it was.

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Several, well, one of my roommates, one of my old roommates, I guess they're both obsessed

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one of my best friends obsessed not with the trilogy itself with the books as well.

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But they did a lot for like portraying that that high fantasy.

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So his, his version of it is very different than just straight up traditional high fantasy,

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but it could be a cool starting point if you're just looking to see what that could be.

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And then another thing to watch also on Amazon Prime.

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I don't know if we mentioned that for Legend of Vox Machina is Dungeons and Dragons honor

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among thieves.

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My whole house went and watched that and theaters along with the other people that we play with.

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This is a quick sidebar.

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My favorite interaction from that night was it was like a whole big group of us that went

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there were like eight or nine of us.

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And there weren't very many people in the theater.

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No, it was a very, very late showing and the movie like started late because it was like

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broken.

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We go outside and we're like, oh, let's try and get like a group picture in front of

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the sign.

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It'll be cute.

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I'm like propping up my like phone to like try and take a video or a picture or I was

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taking a video and then we were going to take pictures from it.

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And then a group was walking by and they said, oh, we can take your picture.

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And we're like, oh, great.

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Thank you so much.

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And they said, oh, it's so exciting to see nerds out together in public.

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And I just that was a wild sentence to say to a group.

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I don't remember being a crime.

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No, I don't remember that at all.

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Like every day.

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I mean, I feel like they had to have been urged to.

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I'm confident that I hope they were.

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Otherwise that's just a crazy thing to say to someone.

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But I think about that interaction a lot.

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So that's anyway, D&D movie was great.

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There are too many ways I would love to spin that and flip it back, but all of them would

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be offensive to at least one group of listeners.

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So I'm not going to do that.

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That would be why.

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Don't don't say that shit.

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Don't say that shit in public.

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Don't say that shit in public unless you want someone to throw it back.

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I'm not afraid to throw it back.

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Generally I don't until the people walk away, but I will.

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And yeah, I will do it behind your back and you will feel bad.

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Yeah, it's it's rough.

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Anyways, Dungeons and Dragons are among these.

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Better than we thought it was going to be.

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Way better than we thought it was going to be.

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It also showcases a lot of those.

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Like it's like the classic D&D setting.

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It's like, what is it?

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Neverwinter.

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Yeah, it's the sort of it's the sort of coast and then neverwinter is like the main city

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it takes place in.

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Yeah.

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And it's just a really solid movie.

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You can see the moments where like it's something that's great that kind of gets you into the

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world and into the feeling as someone who doesn't play the game or know a lot about

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the game.

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And then as a player, you can also sit there and you can.

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I've watched it like four or five times at this point.

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And I noticed new things every time of like when you watch the fight scenes, they all

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go in order like initiative order and they follow that order.

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And then you see like each of the spells and it is an actual spell in 5e that you can like

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be like, oh, that was Frostfinger or whatever it's called.

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And then Green Spectral Blade and they were very and you can tell that they were very

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intentional with what was used and what wasn't, which was nice.

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You can tell when somebody failed and you can tell when someone succeeded like really

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well.

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And that's the part where one of the characters like throws a potato and like clock somebody

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in head and you're like, okay, so that was like a bullshit Nat 20 role out of nowhere.

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Another form of like media to kind of consume and probably the most popular of V&D media

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are actual plays.

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Real playthroughs with real people at the table.

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So the biggest of those is going to be critical role, which we talked a little bit about before.

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One of the first to really go public with it and get monetized and oh yeah, it is a

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group of famous voice actors.

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It's got Ashley Johnson, Laura Bailey, Mercer Ray.

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If you like Last of Us, both Abby and Ellie are Laura Bailey and Ashley Johnson.

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My favorite games such as of all time.

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I'm a PlayStation fanboys.

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I know I've played both Last of Us and Last of Us 2.

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I have every addition that exists of both of those games, not like collectors, but they

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had a PS4 and then a PS4 and then they had a PS5 upgrade and a PS5 upgrade.

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And they were both like complete remasters from the ground up the way that I spent $70

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on one game that I already owned and then another $70 on another game that I already

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owned just to see it in better like definition and picture.

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I want to criticize it, but I sat there and watched you play through the entire of the

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Last of Us because I wanted to play the game.

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But I'm not personally.

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Yeah, we never finished Last of Us 2 because that one hurts.

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But I would be like, don't play the game when I'm not here because I want to watch.

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The quality was fucking insane.

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Amazing.

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Shout out to those voice actors for bringing so much trauma to our screens but in a wonderful,

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amazing way.

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Yes, and they are wonderful actors.

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And some of their moments watching, it's so emotional watching them.

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They're wonderful players.

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They're professionals at it.

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They get joined by lots of different people.

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So you know, Erica Ishii, who I personally love, another great voice actor.

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Brittany Mulligan has joined them.

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Abreya Aayanger has joined them.

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But Legend of the Vox Machina was the show that we talked about earlier was based off

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of their campaign one, which is I'm Still Making My Room.

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And Toe Dori, which now has all of its own merch and branding and many figures and shit

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in the gaming store.

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It's so cool to see.

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Where's Dimension 20's figures and minis and merchandise in the store?

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I'm still waiting to see.

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Dimension 20 has too many hard opinions to have a partnership with Those Who's at the

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Coast.

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No, that's fair.

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That's fair.

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I think, personally, I think that's why.

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But speaking of Erica Ishii, Brittany Mulligan, and I can't.

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Oh, wait, wait, wait.

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When did we go there?

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I do want to say Abreya Aayanger.

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Abreya.

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Is it Abreya?

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Abreya.

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Abreya.

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Okay.

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I love them so much.

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Oh, but you can find Critical Role for free on YouTube.

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You can find all of it.

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There are like hundreds of hours of content for you to watch through if you want or you

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can look up like summary ones or straight up sometimes watching those is exhausting.

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You can go to the Wiki page and like read a summary.

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But speaking of those people, Robert.

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Dimension 20, which is becoming sort of a fan favorite mostly because of how different

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it is from a lot of the other D&D spaces that are out there.

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Just in terms of their world's building and their DM, Brittany Mulligan in particular,

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has like really popularized their brand of doing it, kind of like Critical Role has

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done it.

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Their first campaign was Fantasy High and it was really, really good.

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It was amazing.

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It set the tone perfectly for what they wanted to do with the rest of their campaign.

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So Critical Role is very much bound in like this traditional D&D space, high fantasy

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ask or high fantasy adjacent, not to say that that's all they do.

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And they're amazing at it.

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And so I think Dimension 20 and Brittany Mulligan specifically really wanted to take them like

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their brand of it in a direction where it was like off D&D or more modern settings or

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more different settings.

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I think the original concept was like if Dungeons and Dragons was set in like a John Hughes

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coming of age movie.

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Yeah, 100%.

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And Fantasy High like is one of the best, in my opinion, one of the best intros to like

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actual plays and what D&D can be in a non-traditional fantasy setting.

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And it still is very traditional fantasy.

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Their take on it though is that like they take all of these like pre-existing like elves

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and orcs and like evil bullshit and volcanoes and demons and dragons and then put it in like

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a modern setting where technology exists.

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Like a suburban neighborhood.

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Yeah.

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And then also part of that world building is like, yeah, we're one of the only places

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where we just allow teenagers to do this crazy shit.

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And so the whole thing is fun.

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It's absolutely incredible.

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You can find all of Fantasy High for free on YouTube as well.

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The rest of Dimension 20, which you can find a lot of free stuff from Dimension 20 on YouTube.

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Yeah.

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They'll usually do like the first free episode of every campaign that they do somewhere.

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The full collection is behind a like $5 paywall a month on Dropout, which used to be the College

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Humor Company has rebranded to Dropout.

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They've got a bunch of other shows on there.

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I personally think it's really worth it.

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But I know that we have our own personal like favorites in Dimension 20.

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Really quick though, specifically from College Humor, like the people that they feature a

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lot and most often in like their primary campaigns.

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So, Venerly Milligan is almost always the DM, Lou Wilson, Emily Oxford, Ali Beardsley,

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Zach, Zach Leama and then Siobhan, right?

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Siobhan.

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So, Jesus Christ.

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You would think with as many times as I've seen her name pronounced.

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I'm so sorry if Siobhan, if you ever watch this.

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Please watch this.

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I'm stupid.

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But Siobhan Thompson are like.

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And Brian Murphy.

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And Brian Murphy, yeah, are like originally part of that first like cast and then continued

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to do some of the most popular ones.

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Now they're starting to bring in different cast members for different campaigns.

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They've got lots of different guest stars, gifts, DMs, Matt Mercer DMs one for them recently

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because all of their, so Dimension 20 is the name of like the series and each they have

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like campaigns or seasons and they're all completely different.

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So there's been ones that have been set in space.

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There's ones that have been like.

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Starstruck Odyssey.

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Starstruck Odyssey.

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My personal favorite.

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Candyland, Crown of Candy.

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That's my favorite.

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I'll let you talk about yours first though.

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Crown of Candy was traumatizing and that's why I loved them most.

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Oh, it's brilliant though.

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Also, Hank Green was one of the most recent stars.

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Yeah, on Mentopolis.

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Which is like Hank Green.

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And one of my favorites so far.

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Yeah, that's a kids on bike system.

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So.

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Oh my God, Hank Green's a phenomenal player also.

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Oh yeah, Hank Green is.

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And his character is literally, he just info dumps on people to like traumatize them before

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he kills them.

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And it's perfect because it's just.

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00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000
Incredible.

477
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,520
It's just Hank Green whipping out random fucking facts.

478
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,520
Oh, and seeing Hank Green and Britain and the Milligan.

479
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,400
Like I guess the other is insane.

480
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,400
It's so good.

481
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,440
And like the last episode, his character met another character who is the exact same

482
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,440
thing.

483
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,720
It was like hyper fixation and cataloging of niches and they literally just threw facts

484
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,320
at each other like Brennan and Hank just back and forth for like five minutes.

485
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,320
It was incredible.

486
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,320
Meeting of the minds.

487
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,320
Absolutely.

488
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,320
Your favorite.

489
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,760
My favorite campaign was Unsleeping City, which was basically.

490
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,760
Was their second one, right?

491
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,160
Yeah, I think it was.

492
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,160
They had the one shot.

493
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,880
But that Alex Mercer played an actual character there at the table.

494
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,560
That was like a one shot.

495
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,560
Everyone was level 20.

496
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,560
Yeah.

497
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,560
Super cool to watch by the way.

498
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,560
I mean, that's a great place to start if you're looking to see what a one shot could look

499
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,920
like because they're all level 20 characters.

500
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,560
They all play villains and like evil characters as well.

501
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,440
So it's kind of like this fun to play the bad guy type deal.

502
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,640
Yeah, it was really cool.

503
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,960
But Unsleeping City is my personal favorite.

504
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,440
It's kind of like it's.

505
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,560
It's magical New York.

506
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,640
It's like New York exists and it's this world that also has like magic underneath the surface

507
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,800
that people don't see and it deals.

508
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,400
It's the oddest mix of people.

509
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:19,240
It's like an aging Broadway star firefighter and a firefighter who's not magical.

510
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,240
He's not magical.

511
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,240
He's just a himbo.

512
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,480
He's got a magical acts a rat whole thing.

513
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,360
A man who was turned into a rat.

514
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,840
I'm going to have to.

515
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,120
Cogrash one of my favorite characters in any campaign ever.

516
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,880
He's just a fucking shape shifting rat.

517
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,880
He's so great.

518
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:40,000
And then Pete the plug who's a drug dealer who like finds out that he's got like.

519
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,000
Very important magic.

520
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,600
It's just the world building it is beautiful.

521
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,200
Oh, and my how did I forget like my favorite character is Emily's character who's basic.

522
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,560
I think she described it as like if Fran from the nanny went on like an Amy Winehouse Bender.

523
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,240
She's like she's from Staten Island and she just got dumped and it's just.

524
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,800
What was his lose character?

525
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:00,800
Kingston Brown.

526
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,800
He was one of my favorites.

527
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,320
He was amazing.

528
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840
It's just such a solid campaign.

529
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,840
It's such a fun world.

530
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,840
I love the world building in it.

531
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,120
I love all the voices because I'm a sucker for like accents and things like that.

532
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,520
It was just it was just a really compelling story.

533
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,240
It was really fun and there were so many Easter eggs is like someone who had a lot of a lot

534
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,480
of great twists and hooks and story points and it flowed very naturally.

535
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:27,560
It was super solid, but I also really do like Crown of Candy, which hey, this shit sucks.

536
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,240
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537
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,960
Criticism's topics you'd like to see discussed or an advertisement you'd like to run.

538
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,280
Maybe you even want to sponsor an episode.

539
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:45,600
If so, shoot us a message at mc460 at evansville.edu or dms on Instagram at crescent magazine

540
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,480
or we'll never get better like these fucking guys.

541
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:55,120
Yeah, I will gladly talk about so I I started we started watching dimension 20 on our own.

542
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:59,040
Um, it was when we met when we studied abroad together is when we both realized that we

543
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:04,080
watched it, but we watched it originally on our own and Crown of Candy was one of the

544
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,800
one of the first campaigns that I had listened to all the way through.

545
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,360
So I listened all the way through fantasy high.

546
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,160
I got through Unsleeping City.

547
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,440
I kind of like listening to blood keep a little bit and then Crown of Candy had come out.

548
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,440
So for any of you that have seen Game of Thrones or know what Game of Thrones is and what it's

549
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:26,120
known for, which is lots of sex, lots of incest, lots of murder, no holds, political

550
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:30,040
intrigue, favorite characters die every other episode.

551
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,640
Um, bloodlines.

552
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,360
Yeah, bloodlines, crazy like house feuds and all that all that nutty shit.

553
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:40,040
That's basically what Crown of Candy is, but the setting is Candyland.

554
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:46,960
So it's all the grit and seriousness and like turns and just unrelenting like danger, but

555
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,440
set in a world of candy.

556
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,040
Yeah, which I think is almost exactly how Brennan introduces it.

557
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,240
Like it's literally just set in a world of candy.

558
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,520
But it's not just candy as well.

559
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,240
It's like the whole food pyramid is there.

560
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,360
So you have the Dairy Isles.

561
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,120
Yeah, you have the Dairy Islands.

562
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,640
Um, you have the meatlanders.

563
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,160
You have the vegetarians.

564
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,160
You have the fruiterans.

565
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,160
Yeah, the fruiterans.

566
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,160
You can tell I've watched this multiple times.

567
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:17,040
Um, and it all centers on the main cast that comes back to play again.

568
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,280
Brennan, Brian, Saban, the whole rest of them, and they play like a royal family from Crown

569
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:29,880
of Candy going to like this first big, basically like inauguration of like the new king of

570
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,440
all of, um, I forget what the whole thing itself was called, but basically like of

571
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,440
everything, right?

572
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,800
Like the one person that's sitting on the top of it all.

573
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,800
Yeah.

574
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,920
Uh, and it starts off like very casual.

575
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,920
There's a lot of danger.

576
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,680
There's a lot of political intrigue.

577
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,000
Every one of Brennan's NPCs is on some fuck shit.

578
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,000
Absolutely.

579
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,400
Like he's always on some fuck shit and I really respect him for it.

580
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,240
I really like vibe with that, but Crown of Candy was another level and it's like some

581
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,120
of the coldest lines you've ever heard in your life.

582
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,120
One of the most unrelenting DMing and like ruthless plot points I think I've ever seen

583
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,120
or read.

584
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,120
It's so brutal.

585
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,120
Like a mild spoiler for like the second episode.

586
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,680
They're in a caravan.

587
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,360
They're all like relatively low level characters and Siobhan and Emily are playing two twins

588
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,720
and they're like the royal daughters.

589
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,960
I'm going to talk about a moment with those two that was one of my favorite moments for

590
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,800
many to keep in a lower level than like everyone else because they're children.

591
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,360
They do level up quicker than everyone else though.

592
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,200
So like they're trying like they do like the leaps to like make up in the levels.

593
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,120
But yeah, that was such a cool fucking touch from like a DM and a plan perspective of being

594
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,620
lower than everyone.

595
00:29:33,620 --> 00:29:34,620
It was so cool.

596
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:35,620
It made him so well.

597
00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:38,960
But like in the first combat encounter before it's even a combat encounter, one of them

598
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,360
was like hanging out of the carriage.

599
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,360
Yeah.

600
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,360
It shot with an arrow, dies.

601
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,360
Dies immediately.

602
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,400
Being in a loop teenager and then immediately just gets fucking socked by an arrow and goes

603
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,400
limp.

604
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,400
Yeah.

605
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,400
It comes back.

606
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,200
And there was like a real moment where that character could have died immediately.

607
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Yeah.

608
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,720
And the amount of like assassination attempts that happen on like the Kings, Lou Wilson

609
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,360
are insane and you don't see any of them coming.

610
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,400
It's some of my favorite role playing from Zach Leama in like any campaign I've ever

611
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,760
watched him do when he did lapel, which is a chocolate fucking bunny, which is hilarious.

612
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,560
He has this moment with this carrot.

613
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920
So I think it's like Sir Carrots in Deep Root.

614
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,040
Again, I've watched this too many times.

615
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,640
And he slaps a carrot across the face.

616
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,280
I'm not going to, I'm not going to say what he says in that moment because I would really

617
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:30,600
encourage you to watch it, but it's one of the most like loud, holy shit moments of the

618
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,960
entire campaign.

619
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,960
But my favorite role playing moment from that happened between the two sisters with Siobhan

620
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,960
Siobhan.

621
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,280
God, you literally you.

622
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,280
She's one of your favorite.

623
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,280
You talk about it.

624
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,960
Shevon, Siobhan, Siobhan, Siobhan and Emily as the two sisters.

625
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,960
I'm not going to say what happens, but there's a really, really, really fucked up like emotional

626
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,240
height to the campaign that basically kicks off the whole second act.

627
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,520
And it's the first time I've seen players cry at the table, like genuinely sobbing, crying

628
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,640
because of what happened at the table.

629
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,400
And I had like goosebumps watching it.

630
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,880
Like it made me cry because it's like, it's some of the best role playing that I've seen

631
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,200
it like the world building, the connections between the characters like that cast just

632
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,400
does such a good fucking job of getting into character as like trained actors and voice actors.

633
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,400
Yeah.

634
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,800
And I mean, a lot of them have backgrounds and like acting or improv or writing.

635
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,840
And I do want to quick shout out to critical role because I'm sitting through and like

636
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,880
watching the first campaign and stuff.

637
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,560
Emotional moments at the table where it's very similar to that height and it's just

638
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,080
like sobbing at the table and it's like, wow, these like silly games can really like affect

639
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,800
these silly games, these silly basement games can really make you feel things.

640
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:49,240
Like, I mean, I'm at the table crying constantly because I'm a theater and I do that.

641
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,000
But it's dimension 20 is phenomenal.

642
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000
I don't think I'm like, I don't know.

643
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000
Yeah.

644
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Moving on from dimension 20 eventually, right?

645
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,880
So we do watch dimension 20 more than critical role, which should be obvious at this point.

646
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,320
Not to say one is better than the other.

647
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,320
It's just it's a personal.

648
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,320
It's a personal preference.

649
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920
It's a personal taste thing.

650
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,600
But truly, I don't believe one is better than the other.

651
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,920
I think everyone that participates in both is amazing.

652
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,520
It's just one's a little more traditional, one's a little less.

653
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,520
Yeah.

654
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,000
Then the other kind of form of actual plays out there are podcast actual plays.

655
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,840
I'm so I know that sounds this is going to sound silly to say is someone who's currently

656
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,840
hosting a podcast.

657
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,000
I struggle a lot of the time to listen to podcasts just because I need visual stimuli.

658
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Yeah, I don't listen to podcast that often, if ever really.

659
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,640
Yeah, I've listened to a couple, but at ADHD, I need something like happening, which is

660
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,120
why I kind of lean towards.

661
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,000
I'm ashamed to say that one of the only podcasts I've ever listened to was Joe Rogan.

662
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,200
Not because I agree with with his views, but if you just like interesting conversations

663
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,960
between interesting people, regardless of how bad shit and saying they are, the amount

664
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,280
of people that he has had on from like all different perspectives and professions and

665
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,280
worldviews is impressive.

666
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,200
There are like something like going on 2000 episodes and they're all like two and a half

667
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,200
hours long.

668
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,200
Yeah.

669
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,200
Yeah.

670
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,200
Yeah.

671
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,200
Yeah.

672
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Yeah.

673
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,200
Yeah.

674
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,200
So I've listened to this.

675
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,200
That is also the same explanation my dad gives for listening to it.

676
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,200
Yeah.

677
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,800
Because I mean, I think as a as a tangent, as somebody that listens to Joe Rogan, I feel

678
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:18,680
like a lot of the times like the normal person that's not there to like watch and listen

679
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,200
to the politics and like be like affirmed in their views.

680
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:30,920
He is such a good host for the conversations that he has and it sucks because like he has

681
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,000
a lot of not so great views, but he's also really open minded.

682
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,040
And then he brings on like astrophysicists and vegans and vegetarians and far right

683
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,520
wing and far left wing, he'll bring those people to the table at the same time and moderate

684
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,720
a conversation or a debate.

685
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,000
And it's just if you ignore half the shit that comes out of his mouth, which he does

686
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,040
frequently say he doesn't know anything, which is why he's bringing people on his podcast.

687
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,960
It's enjoyable to just hear people from across the table talk.

688
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,120
I get that.

689
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,520
That's my tiny little side note about how I justify watching Joe Rogan.

690
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,120
We'll go back into talking about actual plays.

691
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,480
So actual plays, which we've had a couple of people ask us if we're going to do an actual

692
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,480
play.

693
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,480
We might get maybe in the future.

694
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,480
Yeah.

695
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,720
But for sure, we're going to spend a couple of episodes talking about our campaigns that

696
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:16,720
we've done previously.

697
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:18,240
I'll say this room is just very small.

698
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:19,680
I don't know how we would get any.

699
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,440
Yeah, we'd have to like borrow audio equipment and then soundproof the basement and it would

700
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,440
be a hot mess.

701
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,440
Maybe you want to keep your eye out because that's something I've been interested in.

702
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,560
The adventure zone, dungeons and daddies.

703
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,560
Yes.

704
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,600
The adventure zone is from, if you know the McElroy brothers from the My Brother, My

705
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,360
Brother and Me podcast, which is one that I've listened to, it is them and their dad

706
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,880
playing Dungeons and Dragons.

707
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,880
They're really good.

708
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,120
I don't think I've listened to all that much of the adventure zone, but I know a ton of

709
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,120
people.

710
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,120
They're the ones that did Tiny Heist?

711
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,760
Yeah, they were in Tiny Heist on Dimension 20.

712
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,760
So if you want to see one where they, where you can see like visual while they're playing,

713
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,560
which is another very fast sidebar about Dimension 20, Rick Perry is the person in charge of like

714
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,680
the art for it in the minis on that show.

715
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,000
In the set design.

716
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,000
In sane.

717
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,200
It is the, I can't even verbalize.

718
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,720
They put off some of their campaigns.

719
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:16,040
Close this podcast and open up on Google and look up Dimension 20 minis and like Rick Perry's

720
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,040
work.

721
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,040
In set design.

722
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,040
It is phenomenal.

723
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,040
This last one from Mentopolis is probably one of the most intricate I've ever seen.

724
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Oh my God, it's so cool looking.

725
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,040
It's like a Rue Goldberg machine.

726
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,040
Yeah.

727
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,760
Mentopolis has got a crazy set design.

728
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,520
Also, Crowd of Candy has one of the nuttiest set designs.

729
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,520
Yeah.

730
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,800
The fantasy hive was pretty good, but that was before they like really, really got into

731
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:34,800
it.

732
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,440
And I think they've now started putting off campaigns before like so that way they can

733
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,160
get Rick time to build sets in minis.

734
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,160
Absolutely.

735
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Yeah.

736
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,160
But back to the actual place.

737
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,160
The adventure zone is really good.

738
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,160
I've got a lot of mutuals who are really into it.

739
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,080
So I'm going to hype that up.

740
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,080
Dungeons and daddies.

741
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,280
I've got, I've listened to like the first two episodes.

742
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,720
I'm still working my way through it, but the cast is really solid.

743
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,000
I also know a lot of people who listen to that and hype it up a lot.

744
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,320
It's about dads who get sucked into basically a game of D&D and they try to save their kid.

745
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,920
That sounds actually really cool.

746
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,920
Yeah.

747
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,920
Yeah.

748
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,920
You should check it out.

749
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,920
I guess I should.

750
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,640
And we are trying to listen to more.

751
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,640
Yeah.

752
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,160
We just, we both suffer from ADHD.

753
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,160
Yeah.

754
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,560
And so it's like, we're going to get 20 minutes into a podcast episode and then we're going

755
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,560
to hop to something else.

756
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,560
So bear with us.

757
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,240
But then two others, not another D&D podcast, which is hosted by Brian Murphy.

758
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:26,240
Bad pod.

759
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:30,120
So that's going to have Brian Murphy and Emily Axford as well as a bunch of other wonderful

760
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,800
people in it.

761
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,320
And then worlds beyond numbers, which is a newer one that we are about to pull the trigger

762
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,240
and get the, yeah, subscription, the Patreon for, get to the little playwall.

763
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:47,680
And that's Erica Ishii, Abrea Einger, Lou Wilson and Brennan Lay Mulligan.

764
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,280
So the four of my personal favorite people in this space ever.

765
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,280
Yeah.

766
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,360
And then the next kind of area or like topic would be kind of like, how do you play a D&D?

767
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,440
What do you need to play?

768
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,160
So this is our little equipment list.

769
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,840
Source books, which we talked about a little bit before.

770
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,400
You can buy physical copies.

771
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,080
You can buy digital copies.

772
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,360
You know, you could look online and see what you find for free.

773
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,360
Yeah.

774
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:19,880
Peruse the internet and just innocently see what's out there floating around.

775
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,000
So for some source books, I know there's like DM ones and player specific ones.

776
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,000
Yeah.

777
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,800
So there are like, there's the players handbook.

778
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,040
There's also, and this is the ones that I'm going to list now are specifically from Wizards

779
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,880
of the Coast under like Dungeons and Dragons, but there's like the players handbook.

780
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,560
There's the Dungeons and Masters handbook.

781
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,400
There's, oh, what is it?

782
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,960
There's like a shit ton of different names for all the different expansions they've done.

783
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,640
There's like Xanathar's Guide to everything.

784
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,560
And Tosca's Cauldron of everything.

785
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,560
Monster's Manual.

786
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,560
Monster's Manual.

787
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,480
So generally, the only one that you're going to need ever as a player, as long as your

788
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,480
DM has the resources they need for the campaign beforehand, the only one that you ever could

789
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160
even think to look at as a player would be the players handbook.

790
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,040
And that's if it's your first time.

791
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,880
It walks you through basic character creation and how to do that on a character sheet.

792
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,120
It also talks about action economy, like what your actions are in combat, what initiative

793
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,920
is it walks you through what all your individual scores are.

794
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,240
Like what intelligence means, what wisdom means, what charisma means, and how to add

795
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,240
up those modifiers, which we recently had to do for the first time because we've been

796
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:27,280
spoiled by fun digital apps that do it for us.

797
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:33,760
But like, I don't, I've never encouraged my players to have a source book outside of that

798
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,960
because if you're, I don't want to say if you're a good DM, that sounds the latest.

799
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:44,360
If you're a good DM, quote on quote, you don't necessarily need to give your players a handbook

800
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,240
unless you just want them to be able to do some of that world building in advance.

801
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:54,240
Like I set a campaign in there, or I set part of a campaign in Theros and so I encouraged

802
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,800
them to go and read bits from that source book to understand more about the gods that

803
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,640
exist in that area and like how the system works.

804
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,800
And it ended up for like some, when you're doing it in a way like that, there was a pretty

805
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:12,520
cool moment where I was playing a character who was, how do I put it?

806
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,520
We'll talk about her eventually.

807
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,040
She was a thief, she was a liar, she was a cheat.

808
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:23,880
She was, everything shitty embodied but like a good person really far underneath the surface.

809
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,880
Very, very far.

810
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,920
But when we were like, you know, kind of chilling around, I was, my character was trying to

811
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,560
find a way to bring someone back from the dead.

812
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,280
I was flipping through and I found something about, oh well you, er, I went to like a cleric

813
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,280
office and the clerics were like, well you can ask a god for a favor and I was like,

814
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,280
well I don't have a good relationship with any of those.

815
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

816
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,720
And there just so happened to be a god who literally cheated death in the setting of

817
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:43,720
Theros.

818
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:47,800
It was absolutely, it was, uh, Phenax got a deception and I like read the source book

819
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,080
obsessively and I was like, I brought that up at the table and I think that that ended

820
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,800
up being a really, really cool, uh, kind of point.

821
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,840
So you know, at the same time, I'm someone who likes to read and be like over informed

822
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,840
to the board.

823
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,440
You just gotta be careful about who you give EDFs and who you give source material to because

824
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,600
there are some motherfuckers like the person sitting next to me that if you give them a

825
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,520
source book and you'd say you read pages one through five and you shut the rest of it out,

826
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,360
they'll read the whole thing.

827
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:20,160
And then curiosity killed the campaign because now they understand your stat blocks you're

828
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,160
using.

829
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,520
They know the campaign hooks you might be pulling from.

830
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,200
They know that the locations on the maps you're gonna take them to.

831
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,200
Oh yeah.

832
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,920
So that's why I personally, uh, warred against handing people source books.

833
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,800
If you're doing it on a PDF, do like export to PDF or print to PDF and give them specific

834
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,800
pages you want them to see.

835
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,800
Which is what he had to do.

836
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,800
Yeah, which is what I did.

837
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,680
I'm a problem and I know I'm a problem, but I will also hype up for players.

838
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:49,360
If you're looking at like Xanthar's or Tasha's, they've got more like spells in there and

839
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,360
more race options, which I always like kind of like experimenting and going a little at

840
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,720
the box with those.

841
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:56,240
And it has some of my personal favorite spells.

842
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:00,280
Like I love Tasha's hideous laughter is one of my favorite spells and I keep trying to

843
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,960
use it and it keeps failing.

844
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,640
But one of these days it's gonna work.

845
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,080
Yeah, and what I will say about all of the information that I just talked about that

846
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,280
you could get from players handbook or anything like a beginner's manual.

847
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,960
There was not a single aspect of DND 5e when it comes to character creation or what you

848
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,440
need to know as a player that you cannot just fucking Google.

849
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,440
That is good.

850
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,800
Like straight up if you just Google like Paladin class breakdown or a Paladin advancement table

851
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,760
or wizard advancement table or wizard spell list.

852
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,120
The internet is a huge hub.

853
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,120
We use wiki.a lot.

854
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,120
Yeah.

855
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Yeah.

856
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,120
DND.Wiki.

857
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,240
Or I guess wiki.dnd like any of those websites.

858
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:42,960
Wizards, I will say has their own like hosting site and app called DND Beyond.

859
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,480
There is a slight paywall for that.

860
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,520
The convenience of DND Beyond if you have the money to spend on it is that it rolls in

861
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,080
every source book that they've ever published as long as you buy them.

862
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,640
You do still have to buy them onto a player app that you can then use to do the character

863
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,360
creation in the building.

864
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,120
And it saves some of the time with trying to figure out what plugs into what because

865
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:08,560
not every app is going to be as is updated and concise as DND Beyond can be.

866
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,840
But if you just need the information wrong like if you just need the advancement table

867
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,640
or just need a list of spells.

868
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:14,640
Just Google it.

869
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:15,640
Just Google it.

870
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,080
Truly just rebate them put in what you need and there will probably be a wiki. for it.

871
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Yeah.

872
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,320
I personally prefer using like wiki. for my spell list because it has everything broken

873
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,840
down in classes in levels and everything and just a very concise.

874
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,040
I go to a website I think it's called like DND RPG dot bot or something like that and

875
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:36,960
it literally it does break down by like what I don't know who the author is of the website

876
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,880
or the publisher and what gives them the authority to do this.

877
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,600
But they break down every spell available for each class by level and then they break

878
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,000
down like the usefulness and they highlight them and like red being one star.

879
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,760
It's if it's blue it's got four stars.

880
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,760
It's amazing.

881
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,760
Yeah.

882
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,240
And so I use that to get a bit more of like an opinionated idea about it.

883
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:58,200
But when it comes to source books when it comes to material as a player I truly don't

884
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,440
believe you need a single goddamn thing as long as your DM has what you need in advance.

885
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,640
This is a game where you could dump hundreds of dollars and have a lot of physical things

886
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:06,640
into it.

887
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,640
Or you can spend nothing.

888
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:08,640
Or you can spend nothing.

889
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,640
I think I am.

890
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,960
I'm not I'm not going to say that.

891
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,400
I was going to say something but I'm not going to say that.

892
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,560
I've dumped the most money personally into dice.

893
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Yeah.

894
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,080
Dice is another thing that you will need which also if you don't want to RPGs are going to

895
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,080
have you.

896
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,080
Yeah.

897
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,640
And so they're going to vary.

898
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Traditionally it's D4 a D6 a D8 a D10 a D12 and a D20 but not all of them are going to

899
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,640
use those.

900
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,880
And also if you don't want to spend the money on dice which fair some of them are extremely

901
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:44,320
expensive you can get them from ranging like in six dollars up to like a hundred and fifty

902
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,320
dollars.

903
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,320
Yeah.

904
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,600
My fiance to my fiance again for the second time she bought me a really nice pair of

905
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,080
dice for my birthday they think they were like a hundred and twenty or something like

906
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,080
that.

907
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:59,680
They were like custom resin they had this really like beautiful inlay they're like blue black

908
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,720
and gold I'm obsessed with the movie Avatar we had just watched Avatar way of water and

909
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:09,480
like all of those colors were very prominent and so she thought it would be like really

910
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,000
cool to get me a set of dice that are kind of like reminiscent from that movie and that's

911
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,080
exactly what I think of them every time I roll them they have like a liquid core in

912
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,480
them too.

913
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,720
But yeah there's no there's no ceiling to how expensive and how fancy and how custom

914
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:27,240
you can get with your dice but there definitely is a floor I mean some game shops like we

915
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:32,000
went to several we were in the UK I don't think I don't think I've seen this anywhere

916
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,600
around here but like sometimes they'll just have a bin of random misfit dice and you can

917
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,600
just like throw them together and they're like 10 20 cents a piece.

918
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,600
Yeah.

919
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,840
And they have similar things here but they're not.

920
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:42,840
Yeah.

921
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,560
I think the cheapest set I've seen around here is like five or six dollars and it's just

922
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,920
for like a very generic like mono colored or mono colored and speckled set of dice

923
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,680
but it's all you need.

924
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,440
And you can also just straight up go to Google and say roll like a d20.

925
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,440
Tell Google to roll.

926
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,440
And it'll do that for you.

927
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,720
And there are apps too that are designed specifically for that kind of thing if you

928
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:04,960
prefer it in more of like a sleek like on the go like kind of phone format.

929
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,960
Yeah.

930
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,960
Very nice.

931
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:07,960
I personally they call me a dice goblin.

932
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,960
I do not like.

933
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,960
She is a fucking dice goblin.

934
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,360
It's something that they've talked about on dimension 20 several times.

935
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,920
She's a fucking dice goblin.

936
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,920
She's a dice goblin.

937
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,800
She literally went to the game store earlier last week.

938
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,800
Okay.

939
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,560
Well and she was like if you're there when you're there be on the lookout for this color

940
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,000
dice for this new character that I'm playing.

941
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,200
I do but I buy a new set of dice for every character which I think is cool.

942
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,200
I think that's fine.

943
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,200
And then yes.

944
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Do I also have like four or five six seven sets outside of that.

945
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,200
Yes.

946
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,640
Also are they only played two characters.

947
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,640
Right.

948
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:41,640
She has 10 sets.

949
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,640
She has two characters.

950
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,880
You do the math on how many of those sets were for characters.

951
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:46,880
Okay.

952
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,400
I did buy two sets for Magnolia.

953
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,480
Because you know sometimes if I'm like well she had a big story beat I'm going to buy

954
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,320
a new set of dice and they're all in the same color scheme.

955
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,840
They're all pink or like blue purple gold like flowy.

956
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,840
Yeah.

957
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,680
And but I like all my stuff to be matching and pink is my lifestyle color.

958
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:06,680
Yeah.

959
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:07,680
Yeah.

960
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,840
Really quick for me hop into the next thing I realized what I didn't talk about was what

961
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,000
and I'll do this very quickly what you need is a DM and turn to source books.

962
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,800
Source books for DMs can be a lot more crucial than for players like as a player I truly don't

963
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,600
believe you need a single thing as long as you have access to the Internet and your DM

964
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,720
knows enough about the game.

965
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:30,240
As a DM you will feel like I promise you will feel very pressured to buy a source book and

966
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:35,240
that's because unless you are somebody who enjoys world building and is good at it and

967
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:42,360
has spent a lot of time doing it it's incredibly intimidating and like you're not going to be

968
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,520
a Tolkien you're not going to be like a JJR Martin you're not like you're not Scorsese

969
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,920
you're not Christopher Nolan like please be aware that you don't need to have something

970
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,120
that's laid out A to Z.

971
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,240
One of my favorite stories to tell what this specifically is one that Brennan was talking

972
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:02,240
about one of his first campaigns when he started getting into D&D was he had the whole thing

973
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:07,760
written this like massive complex story start to finish and then basically there was one

974
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,280
decision that seemed pretty straightforward that his players needed to make to kick off

975
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,520
the rest of the campaign and they made one that he did not write or account for and then

976
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,000
had no material to work with.

977
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,040
And I'm so glad that I had watched and listened to that before I became a DM because it really

978
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,560
helped me not over prepare but in terms of source books in terms of source materials

979
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,640
do the same thing we talked about with players just search up what you're looking for maybe

980
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:39,400
throw in the word PDF behind it maybe you don't that's up to you it depends on how ethical

981
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:45,720
your feeling and then there you go you have everything you need don't please please please

982
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:49,560
don't play story point for story point out of a source book unless you're just that uncomfortable

983
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:55,680
with it because I promise you will hit a wall very quickly where your players want to completely

984
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,880
go off the beaten path that your source book is telling you to go down and it's going to

985
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,800
be really difficult to get them back on I mean every group is a little different some

986
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,080
some get more engaged with that traditional storytelling but a lot of the storytelling

987
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:12,320
in source books is very one dimensional and so it's it gets really easy for players to

988
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:18,200
find ways to poke holes in that and to just fly off in another direction so if you're

989
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,880
going to use a source book use it loosely use the maps use the world building use the

990
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,680
NPCs and the stat blocks and the gods and this and that but try to avoid just straight

991
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,240
up ripping the story from the book and having the players play that out let them tell their

992
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:35,520
own story and that honestly takes so much away from you as a DM in terms of responsibilities

993
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,960
you if you let your players tell the story at the table and just improv and role play

994
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:46,800
which is easier said than done but truly just have the world in your head and then let the

995
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,720
players figure out the story for themselves and insert your hooks in your beats and your

996
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:55,840
points and you'll find that the players will we'll find the story that we want to tell

997
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:01,080
yeah 100% like and it feels more engaging I think as players and I don't know from the

998
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,880
DM side but it's really interesting to also be like I had a hand in creating this there

999
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,440
will be another episode where we do more breakdowns on what like a world building is like as a

1000
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,240
DM and stuff like that so I won't I won't continue to like belabor the point right but when it

1001
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:20,560
comes to source books again for the 16th time don't buy them if you don't absolutely need

1002
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:26,640
them yeah another thing that you might need our friends and a DM or just people to play

1003
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,800
with which we kind of talked about earlier before you will run into scheduling problems

1004
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:37,080
it will be an issue know that I tried to do a fucking Google calendar and insert everyone's

1005
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,400
availability into it and I thought I was gonna have a seizure looking at it like it was bad

1006
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:47,360
it is always going to be an issue we've got two of the people that we play with work night

1007
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,280
shift and then some of us swing shift the other one works straight up night shift and

1008
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,960
none of the days of line it's gonna be something that happens sometimes you just have to play

1009
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:01,240
D&D at eight in the morning on Saturdays next thing you'll need is a notebook or a laptop

1010
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:04,440
notebook if you're old-fashioned if you want to do pencil and paper you're more than welcome

1011
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:10,560
to do pencil and paper I personally lean more towards a laptop because I'm an obsessive

1012
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,040
note-taker and I like to type up all of my notes really quickly and I feel like it's

1013
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,320
easier sometimes to find information on here because character sheets can look very very

1014
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,680
overwhelming I just designed new character sheets for the campaign we're playing currently

1015
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,880
because it was just kind of a stroke to look at you're packing so much information on one

1016
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,640
thing so I'm always gonna hype up apps and the internet and the computer yeah I use a

1017
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,440
combination between a notebook and a laptop yeah and a calculator you know I'm bad at

1018
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,040
math I failed math and high so that's a Google see your calculator app on your iPhone or

1019
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:49,160
Android so when I roll you know like 8d6 plus 2d4 and then of course you're always gonna

1020
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,160
have that person that wants to count up on the dice themselves and be like look I learned

1021
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,840
how to do quick math yes we have several people at the table there like that and I'm like

1022
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,040
I can type in as you're typing in the numbers in your calculator they're like 5 plus 6 plus

1023
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:07,040
7 plus 10 plus 25 plus 67 and it's like homie like I'm literally putting it in the calculator

1024
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,240
you're gonna have to do this again yeah gonna look to me at the end of this and go am I

1025
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:16,400
right we can avoid this whole interaction let people add up their own numbers unless

1026
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,160
they ask for help yeah yeah yeah then kind of after that our character sheets in a character

1027
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:28,040
is kind of the last thing yeah well actually before that there's the debate with many's

1028
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:34,840
I personally like many's or having some type of like physical thing but they are not necessary

1029
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,760
at all I don't think critical role uses many's at all you can do like full imagination and

1030
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,160
D&D is still very much one of those games where as long as you have a little bit of game

1031
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,480
sense you can do the whole thing in your fucking head you don't have to have a battle map you

1032
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,880
don't have to have a dry erase board you don't have to have a fun TV screen you don't even

1033
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,520
have to have like a digital thing like as long as you got your imagination and you can think

1034
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,720
about shit you've seen in a video game or movie you're solid which like you really if

1035
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:03,560
you want something physical and you're looking for like the easiest option a whiteboard yeah

1036
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:09,120
whiteboard erase markers and then like monopoly pieces you can get your many's bundles of battle

1037
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,120
maps for like 15 bucks off Amazon and it's like six battle maps and each of them are

1038
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,960
dry erase with your little your little five by your squares and then they flip and then

1039
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,800
you have another biome or like kind of environment on the back those are easy if you can show

1040
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:28,680
up like 16 bucks right now we we've pimped the basement out play on a shitty TV yeah

1041
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,160
we're playing on an old TV and we just hook up laptops to it and it makes us feel super

1042
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,760
classy in like high class like those digital like game tops which are not necessary but

1043
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,040
also I'm obsessed with all of the like fancy D&D and then click side now with digital

1044
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:49,920
digital tabletops you can literally make any number of maps and play like it's a rabbit

1045
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,280
hole it really is rabbit hole but the amount of applications and websites that exist for

1046
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,720
you to play everything fully digitally and have that experience be absolutely fucking

1047
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:06,120
nutty yeah is unreal so if you just even if you guys want to play in person set everybody

1048
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,960
up with a laptop or a cell phone or some kind of a screen and then you can do it all there

1049
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,760
for free I mean obviously you need a laptop with them you know the phones whatever but

1050
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,440
yeah that's that's the other way you don't want to just try and figure out okay this

1051
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:26,160
person's diagonally 15 feet for me so what is my spell range diagonal means they're 10

1052
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:31,600
feet not actually five feet what does that even mean yeah that can get difficult but

1053
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:37,760
it's doable yeah so then yeah last things you'll need are a character and character sheets

1054
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:43,280
which is what we're gonna kind of like talk about next episode because it's a whole can

1055
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,360
of worms oh yeah I personally I spend a lot of time on character creation I spend a lot

1056
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,120
of time on background that's unnecessary yeah then you have people like one of the one of

1057
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,240
the people that plays at our table is also one of our our roommates Dakota who will make

1058
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:02,320
like 75 characters in 30 minutes that are all like slightly different like not even that

1059
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,480
difference slightly different than the person there than literally the character he made

1060
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,160
two minutes ago yeah but it's like a completely different class and race and he's just like

1061
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,720
cool I'm ready to go like cool you want to like TPK us you want to wipe the whole party

1062
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:19,920
I got another one right here yeah it's like playing cards oh yeah yeah yeah we'll also

1063
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,840
deal with talking about you know like classes and races and subclasses and all of those

1064
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,200
like fun things which are all things that go into character creation which make it more

1065
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,800
than just filling out a random sheet because you can make you can be as invested in your

1066
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:39,120
character as you want to be I choose to be over invested yeah and work I mean we'll talk

1067
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,760
about it next time but like don't be afraid to ask your DM yeah be afraid to watch a video

1068
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,680
don't you know like adventuring Academy with dimension 20 anything on credit roll like

1069
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,680
just you don't know how to do it look at the fuck up it's a big hobby people have done

1070
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:57,600
it for years before us well it's about that time that it is thank y'all for tuning in

1071
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,280
for another exciting episode of table talk like I totally remembered to say in the intro

1072
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,720
I'm Maddie and this is Robert and what do we have coming up next week so we are going

1073
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:13,840
to continue our all about D&D series and specifically talk about world building so we originally

1074
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,880
wanted to do character creation for you guys but we don't have our hands on any like rate

1075
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,400
recording equipment right now so we're gonna put that off video specifically yeah for yeah

1076
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,760
for video because clearly the audio recording anyways we want you guys to be able to follow

1077
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:33,280
along as we literally do the character creation and so yeah we're gonna we're gonna switch

1078
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,520
it up into world building first and talk about that from like a DM's perspective and then

1079
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,040
like how as a player you work that in and it's kind of a situation on which one comes

1080
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,960
first because without a world you don't know how to properly guide your characters or your

1081
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,600
players are making a PC but also without your PC you don't really know what direction to

1082
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,480
take the world in so it's kind of like a which came first taking the eggs with you the world

1083
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,320
building is one of my favorite things about D&D so I am super excited see y'all next Thursday

1084
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:57,880
bye bye

